Football Daily - England’s ideal run continues & Forest appoint Postecoglou

Episode Date: September 9, 2025

Kelly Cates is joined by former England goalkeeper Paul Robinson, ex England defender Phil Jagielka and Senior Football reporter Ian Dennis as England thrash Serbia 5-0 in World Cup qualifying. Can this be classed as a statement victory and is anyone’s seat on the plane to the World Cup decided? Hear from the England captain Harry Kane, fellow goalscorer Ezri Konsa as well as Declan Rice and manager Thomas Tuchel. Plus, the panel discuss the managerial change at Nottingham Forest, with Ange Postecoglou coming in to replace the recently sacked Nuno Espirito Santo. Head of sport science during Postecoglou’s time at Celtic, Anton McElhone, tells us what Forest can expect from Ange’s leadership.Forest fan Ellie Molloson also joins the pod to discuss how the fanbase feel around the rapid changes at the club.Time codes: 0’24 Does the Thomas Tuchel era have lift off? 5’02 Phil Jagielka says Thomas Tuchel has a selection ‘headache’ 8’00 Who has put themselves in a good position for World Cup selection? 13’50 Harry Kane interview 16’40 Ezri Konsa interview after his first England goal 22’08 Declan Rice interview 28’32 Football correspondent John Murray on Serbian fan behaviour 30’10 Thomas Tuchel interview 32’27 The sacking of Nuno Espirito Santo and the appointment of Ange Postecoglou at Nottingham Forest 32’52 Former colleague of Ange Postecoglou, Anton McElhone 37’10 Forest fan, Ellie Molloson

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We're going to start with reaction from England's 5-0 win against Serbia. I'm joined by senior football reporter Ian Dennis, former England goalkeeper Paul Robinson, and former England defender, Phil Jagelka. Phil, the BBC senior football correspondent, Sani Mockbell, has said on the live page on the website, finally that Thomas Tukal era has lift off. Is that fair comment?

Yeah, I think so. It was always going to be a tough game to go to Serbia and get the win, let alone. winning the style that we have. We scored some good goals. We scored some good set of pieces. Every box pretty much ticked. Obviously we're missing some key players but sometimes that gives opportunities to players that potentially wouldn't have got a chance and I think those lads have done really well tonight. Paul, England managers when they come in, all managers really, but England managers in particular, they need a statement win, a statement performance. Has Thomas Tuchel got that now?

I said it before the game. That's what we needed and absolutely. I mean that's the best that I've seen an England team play for a long time. I mean, we saw in the previous games against Andorra, Latvia, Albania. They've won the games, but they didn't win them convincingly. That's the type of performance that we should have seen against the lesser sides, if you like. I mean, England, if it wasn't for Petrovich tonight in Golfer, Serbia,

England could have had six, seven, eight goals. They were that good tonight. You know, Serbia folded at the end when Malenkovich got sent off, but England reduced them to that. England battered them into the corner. they just didn't take the foot off the pedal tonight. They pressed high, they won the ball back, they used the ball wisely in areas,

they used the set plays. Maddoweki and Gordon were outstanding in the wide areas. And it was just a really impressive all-round performance. And in answer to your original question, absolutely that was a statement win. And Paul, those two goals coming round about the half-hour mark for Harry Kane and Nonimadweaking meant that Serbia had to come out. We said this at half-time,

that England were going to find that there were more opportunities in the second half. But just talk to me about the performance up to that point for that first half hour. You talked about England sort of grinding Serbia down. Yeah, they were constant. They just didn't go away. And when they did lose possession, they wanted to win it back. And it wasn't just isolated incidents of individuals pressing.

They pressed as a team. They pressed as a unit. We all talk about, you know, in the media and in the present, teams got to have an identity, you know, what's an identity, what does it look like? That tonight is an identity. They pressed as a team. they pressed as a unit they won the ball back but when they won the ball back

the two wide players got wide they made the pitch big the relationship between death and rice and Anderson was impressive the whole spine through the team consa and gay you know kept the Serbian strikers very very quiet all over the pitch every single individual won their battles yes we'll say you know that's what should be happening

but it hasn't previously happened like I said to you I watched the game at Villa Park at the weekend and like many others I was thoroughly underwhelmed by it tonight I was excited to watch that that was a good England performance. To be I couldn't agree anymore Paul like they've got into a little bit of an intimidating atmosphere and they've done something that was quite nice for an England team is to to recognise the Serbia team was under a little bit of pressure they've not scored many goals

you could see their fans could potentially turn and and for once rather than a team coming in Chuttle trying to quiet down the English players and team we went there quieting them down and we put a thoroughly professional performance together with quite a young squad as well quite a lot of young lads played together in the 21s took their chance tonight. That was actually the remit as well, Phil. Thomas Tuchel, when he was addressing the players, they wanted, the message was to keep the ball, let's try and control the crowd early on, they were so proactive from the first whistle, carried out his message to a to a T. And also as well, Kelly, that in his six games, that was for what was the toughest

test for England, the most inexperienced team that he's named. The starting 11 only had 340 caps so that's the least experienced side he's picked in his six games and as Paul has already alluded to so many impressive performances in that 11 by far the best performance without a shadow of a doubt and that happens quite often you know when you look at the players that are not in the squad I mean we spoke about it before the game greelish Foden Trent Alexander Arnold sacker Wharton Bellingham you know those players are likely to come back into the squad at some point but quite often when you have big names missing the team then becomes the star and the team tonight for

England. They were united. There was a lot of cohesion. There was a lot of understanding and you could see relationships forming on the pitch. The right-hand side was the most dangerous for England with Reese James and Madawecki. Really impressed with the way that Madawecki played a lot of positives. He's hit 30 players used already, Thomas Tuchel, as he tries to kind of to come across that that first choice starting 11th. And it's worth mentioning as well, Palmer, Bellingham, Foden, Stones, Saka, Alexander Arnold. Not in the school, not available for this game. Yeah, we know how good this strength in depth is but you sort of don't really want it at the same extent

but it's a great headache now for Thomas Tuchel those players that have played especially tonight have put their name down to put a marker down now and it's going to be tough for those players no matter how well they play to come and ask to be starting in the next game so it's a great headache to have as Paul said the relationships that looked like

they'd formed even over tonight but you know working especially on the right side even Morgan in the number 10 and things like that. You know, these are going to be tough people to move. And if I wasn't in the England squad and I saw that game, I know I've got a lot of hard work to try and get back in there. The other game that took place tonight in England's group, Albania beat Latvia by a goal to nil.

So the table looks like this. England are top having played five games with 15 points, maximum number of points as we know from their game to the goal difference of 13. Albania are second with eight points. Serbia, eight points behind England. now, although Serbia have played a game less, Latvia on five games with four points,

Andor at the bottom, with no points from their opening games. England now only need five points from the remaining games, I think, which puts them, Paul, in a really, really comfortable position. And look, they've had steady performances or steady results, really, with low-key performances. Tonight has kind of changed all of that, and it's shown what this group of players are capable of. Was there something in the way that England set up?

I know you talked about the new players coming in, fact that they're not necessarily experienced players, but was there more attacking talent? Was it a more attacking intent? What was the difference in this performance? It was the intent. It was the tempo immediately that the game was played at. When they took the kickoff, Declan Rice went straight back to Jordan Pickford. But when England had the kickoff, every single player in a white shirt was on the halfway line. It was a set play. It went back from Declan Rice to Jordan Pickford, who then launched it into the Serbia penalty area. And they want to throw in deep in Serbia half. I mean, nothing came of it.

but they weren't afraid to play these longer balls into certain areas and then allow their talent to play football in the right areas. They didn't put the ball at risk at the back. We quite often see teams overplaying, rolling the goal kicks across the six-yard line. We didn't see so much of that. Yes, there was incidents in the game where they played around at the back and they controlled the game is the best way of describing it. There's a time and a place to keep the ball and rotate possession

in and around your own 18-yard box without putting the ball at risk. And England did that and the possession, the tempo, The control over anything was the most impressive thing that England had tonight. Because from the first whistle to the last, they were in complete control and you could see exactly what they were trying to employ the whole game. It was good. It really was, Kelly. And just some extra context to that. Serbia have lost just one of their last 28 home World Cup qualifiers since 2001,

and that was defeated by Belgium in 2012. This is not an easy place for any team to go and get the result. And England have done it in style with that 5-0 victory. Phil, you said that if you were maybe one of the more senior, more experienced England players who wasn't involved this evening, you'd be knowing that you'd have to work hard to get your place back in the squad. Who do you think has done a good job for England? Who's going to put themselves right in the manager's thinking?

Well, I think we alluded to it before. Obviously, Maddowak is obviously shown out. Morgan Rogers in the 10 again. We spoke about who's going to play sort of the holding midfield. You know, again, Anderson came in, did another good job. It's difficult, obviously, he'll chop and change again. But it's a really nice thing to know that basically, whoever normally gets that position, that role now,

is going to have to step his game up. And that's what it should be. It should be the hardest squad to get into because we've got so many good players and that's the way it should be. But I'm sure we'll be having all sorts of different types of conversations when the squad's announced next time and there's probably people not in it

or different people starting in different places. But that's where we're at. But hopefully Thomas Tuchel has found out a few things about his squad and his players. They can play in tough atmospheres, tough places to go, as you just said, they don't lose games at home, Serbia, let alone get battered 5-0. So a massive, massive box ticked as far as character and stuff goes tonight, and he'll be looking to take that forward, obviously, to the better planning for the World Court. I'll tell you what's interesting, Kelly, is that Thomas Tuchel, just particularly if we focus on the right back, you know, Alexander Arnold and Carl Walker have been omitted from the squad. and Thomas Tuchel sees that

Reese James and Tino Livermento are ahead of Alexander Arnold and Walker for that right back slot at the minute but the versatility of Tino Livermento is that tonight he played as a left back you know Reese James earlier on the campaign played as a left back so the two who he sees vying

to keep out Walker and Alexander Arnold in the right back slot have both played as a left back in this campaign and he's got a lot of options in defence as Thomas Tuchel in that respect I think the options he's got. I mean, we all talk about his, does he know his best 11?

He will never pick the same 11 as an international manager because you'll have players are out of form, players who are injured, and like we said, the players that are missing from this squad. But the players that aren't in the squad or the players that didn't play tonight will watch that performance and they will know that that's what is expected of them now. That's the way

they've got to play and that's what the manager wants. His best 11 is, listen, you'll never be able to do that as an international manager because of the rotation of players. But he certainly if those players are fit and available next time, it'll be interesting to see what he does. It's happened three times that England have named an unchanged side

three times since 1982. Right. Where have you put that from in the file? That puts that one into context. Just on the Livermento point and on that idea that maybe his right backs can also play as left backs, do you think that's deliberate from Tuchelian that he wants to bring versatile players into the squad?

because over the course of a tournament, as everybody's kind of alluded to, there are going to be injuries. There are going to be players in and out of form. There are going to be situations where you'll need players to do something other than what their first choice position is. Yeah, I think so, definitely. I mean, it'll be a squad of 26. But in that as well, you're going to have, you could, well, Lewis Skelly as well, he was not included in the match day squad of 23 today, but he's been a, I thought was going to be a regular at left back. you've got the potential for Hall at Newcastle possibly as well so that he's got these options

on the evidence of what we've seen so far I think it might be hard particularly for Kyle Walker as well as Alexander Arnold to get back into this England squad because Livermento I thought played really really well tonight it looked comfortable you know that was only his second start for his country and he looked very much at ease this is going to sound daft but he likes fullbacks that are able to defend

and he wants a fullback the first thing with his fullback able to defend in a tight, narrow back four, but also give him something going forward. And I think maybe with Trent, Alexander Arnold, I'm not necessarily sure that he trusts him defensively above what he's got in his squad now. Jed Spence playing as a left back for Tottenham this season, comes on tonight for his England debut as a right back.

And in the process becomes the first player to represent England, who is Muslim. So kind of a huge watershed moment for him as well in terms of that. And I'm sure we'll hear more from him on the. that. So five different goal scorers for England, there was a conversation we were having beforehand. And I think, Ian, it was you who made the point about Harry Kane that perhaps England were too reliant on him, and not that he's unreliable, but there maybe there weren't too many options outside of Harry Kane for England. Does five different scorers on the,

on the score sheet, help to solve that problem? I think so, yeah. But also, I think going back over the last 20-odd internationals, England, only the second time they've scored five goals. So it's been a while since England put a team to the sword, if you like. I think Ireland, 5-0 last autumn was the only other time that it's happened in recent matches from an England point of view. But yeah, I think it does in that respect. I think it will always please any manager when you get five different goals scorers. And for Harry Kane, I mean, in the last 40 internationals, he's played 33.

Watkins has played five. Tony, who I think is going to struggle to get back into the squad, just the want. And he's got the option as well of it was against Greece last October. He played Foden in a false nine. But if you speak to Thomas Too called Kelly, he would say, well, Rogers can play there. Rashford can play there. Boeing could play there. So they have got a number of options.

And of course, the England captain, Harry Kane, are so rarely out of form. He always delivers for England. He's done it again this evening against Serbia with the opening goal in that 5-0 victory. Here is the England captain with John Murray. Yes, here he is. Kelly. Harry Kane, congratulations. That was a bit of a statement, wasn't it? Yeah, absolutely. I spoke a lot yesterday about how we wanted to play and being on the front foot and being aggressive. And I think we showed our level today. Even in the other games, I feel like we've done well, but we haven't quite reached kind of top form. Tonight was totally different. You come away to a place like this against a good side, score five, make it look really comfortable.

We can be really proud of ourselves. So it's been a great camp and we're in a great position now. It's good right from the off, wasn't it, tonight? Yeah, you could go all the way back to the first kick. You know, pickers, we spoke before about trying to kick it into the box, got in the box, kind of had a little knockdown and did nothing come of it. But I think that was just the statement we had from the first minute. We wanted to play in their half, put balls into their box. We want it to press higher.

And that's exactly what we've done. They found it difficult to play. Whenever they did break, we recovered quickly and then, yeah, limited them to very few chances. So, yeah, overall, we can be pleased with the whole week, I think, and then we take this into the next camp. And I know Thomas Tuchel said on Saturday night, he said to us yesterday that he felt that it was coming. But it's all very well saying that, isn't it?

You've got to do it. Yeah, I think it's just a feeling we've had in the camp this week. I think the energy's been higher. I think the level in training has been higher. Maybe the motivation as well. And yeah, we felt like we had a good performance a few days ago. I know it wasn't the performance everyone was excited about, but we've done what we had to.

So we was coming into this game with maybe a little point to prove to show that we can play at the highest level and we can make it really difficult for these teams. Serbia are a really good team and we made them look average tonight so yeah overall you know we've got a build on this we've got a good camp a stranger camp next one with a friendly and then a qualifier but we'll be ready for that and we're just building now hopefully until next summer yeah and five matches played in the group now one or five not conceded a goal you know qualified location looks, I mean, they look, to have one foot in the States already.

Yeah, sounds good when you pull it like that for sure. But yeah, no, that's what we want. And, you know, like, it's never easy to qualify for a major tournament. Sometimes we've made it look easy over the past. We're making this one look easy, but there's a lot of work that goes into it. There's a lot of mindset that goes into it, a lot of pressure playing for England. And we've all handled that really well. There's a few new faces in the squad.

Another couple, another debut tonight for Jed. So another first goal. score right next to me here and there's. I let him have that one. So yeah, look, we're building something and look, it's not going to be perfect, but, you know, we can take nights like tonight with great spirit and use that as a good energy. Lovely. Well done, Harry. And without further ado, we'll go from the man who scored tonight his 74th goal for England to a man who scored his first goal for England. Ezri Konzer. Well done. Great night for you. Yeah, excellent. Like I've said in previous interviews, I've jumped off since I was a kid.

And, you know, you always dream about these moments. And when I was young, I always pictured it, you know, trying to score for England. So for it to finally happen and my whole family watching back home, it was a proud moment. And I'll never ever forget. That's where you wanted it as well, wasn't it? You were virtually standing next to the post. Of course, definitely. I think, you know, in set pieces, especially at centrehouse,

we have to think that the attackers, like H, and all of them, up top so you know it's something i've been trying to work on to try and get more goals so um you know to finally score today uh it was an amazing moment yeah so even though i presume you've spent almost all of your career as a defender even when you're even when you're a youngster you you still had that dream of actually scoring for england of course one million percent i think that's everyone's dream especially no matter where you play i don't know about goalkeepers oh forget about the goalkeepers but as defenders midfield whatever wherever you play but you know It's everyone's dream to score for their country.

And like I said, a night I'll never forget. Yeah, and a good feeling for you all in the dressing room to produce like that. 100%. You know, we've had a great week in camp. We showed our levels in training and in both games. So, you know, like I said, look, we knew if we came into the game with a right mindset and the same quality that we have been putting in the last week, we knew that we could come here and get a victory, and that's what we did today.

Well done, Esre. You'll have sweet dreams tonight. I probably won't sleep. Thank you. Thank you very much. Esri, yeah. Esri, yeah. Esri, comes that, absolutely delighted, John, wasn't he, about that, about scoring that goal for England.

His first goal for England, for England, the third of England's goals. Phil Jage Yelka, all defenders grow up dreaming of scoring a big goal for their country. I bet you he didn't play in defence when he was young, so I'll let him off. He said he did, no way. All of us started a strikers, surely. No one had to play in defence when they were young, surely. Now, but fair play, he's done really well every time he's played for England

and I didn't realize it was his first goal obviously when he scored it today but that'll live with him, that's a great moment. I remember scoring my first goal and yeah, a massive proud month any time you play for your country but to be able to get an added bonus especially as a defender to get up there

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Let's talk about some of the players, I mean, the centre-back pairing of Gaye and Conza. He's changed that a lot, Thomas Tuchel, over the games in which he's been in charge. It looks as though Gareth Southgate's first picks aren't going to be Thomas Tuchel's first picks, but who do you think has impressed? It's hard to judge on tonight's performance given there wasn't really that much for Serbia in the game.

I think that's potentially why he's changed them around so much. If you look at the group we've been given, you'd expect us to dominate most of the games. So he's probably trying to give a little bit of experience to other centre halves that maybe wouldn't have got a chance. But I think ever since, obviously, Gahy played so well in the Euros, he's basically cemented himself, probably as the number one, centre half, if he's going to be fit. we often speak about John Stones who's done so well but again I think he's going to have to prove his fitness

I think if he stays fit he makes a squad Robo mentioned about Conza he doesn't really put a foot wrong very often he's now a massive part of Aston Villa's team he's a leader in their dressing room so again the experience that he brings and it's nice to give those to a chance to show their partnership the fact they've both

scored they probably can prove they can go up front if they need to for a little bit as well, but now that's like an added bonus, you know, getting the partnerships together, getting them used to play in front of Jordan. Again, the next piece of the puzzle is who sort of plays in front of them to protect them, because as we alluded to, it didn't have that much to do tonight, but if we do play against tougher opposition, it won't just be down to the two centre-halfs and the keeper to start keeping clean sheets. You'll need to make sure the screening and the protection ahead of them is done properly. So I think centre-a-half-wise,

there's the sort of two from three. Obviously, Dan Burns done nothing wrong. Like, fair enough, he's definitely in there for on merit. But then I think the next stage for two calls is to potentially find out which three is going to play. Rice looks obviously nailed on. We talked about obviously people. Talking of whom?

He's waiting to touch John Murray. Okay, there we go. Perfect. Yes, here he is. Declan Rice. That was some night, wasn't it? Yeah, incredible night. You know, we knew it was going to be really tough coming here. We knew what he was up against.

But a five-star performance, I thought we took control from the very first minute. And, yeah, we needed that tonight. What went so right? Everything that we've been working on. I think there's five games, five wins. I think the first four games, like I said, the other day, people have been wanting to see six and seven goals. And it's never going to happen when people camp ten men behind the ball, you know. But tonight you see when teams open up against us, what we can do.

And, yeah, it was an exciting night. And I think the whole performance, start to finish, was top. I did say the same kind of thing to Harry Kane, but I know you were saying, certainly Thomas Tuchel was saying, that you felt it was coming, but it's one thing feeling it, it's another thing doing it, isn't it?

Yeah, definitely. I think look at the players that we have, the players that can come onto the pitch to change the game, the players that started, I think the mentality has been right all week, the attitude's been right, and yeah, I think it was, you know,

the other day, obviously it felt a bit dull because Andorra made it like that, but the most important thing was the win but this was the big game this week and we knew that this really puts us in a good position going forward for the group so to come here and win 5-0 not many teams do that

so it was a really good night for us and give us a view on Elliot Anderson in there his first two caps for the senior team yeah he made it look so easy I think he's been doing what he's done at club at Forrest for the last two years you know he knows how good he is

so he's a great addition for our squad And like I said, we need that going forward into the World Cup, you know, we need competition, we need lads at their best, and he's certainly playing at a really top level at the minute. So it's brilliant for us. And that World Cup now looks, you know, it's a position you're in. It's almost like you're nearly there.

Yeah, I hope so. You know, you can never take it for granted. You know, these qualifying games can be sticky. You need to be at it every time you come away. And every time you get called up for England, it's the best feeling. And when you turn up at camp, when you get to see the lads again

it's an unreal time and moment so obviously we go back home now but we look forward to October we'll have a friendly and then have a qualified so we get prepared for them and hopefully we can wrap it up soon. Thanks Declan. Well done again. Declan Rice, Kelly.

Thank you very much John and Declan Rice talking Paul about how much he looks forward to going to play for England and catching up with all his England teammates and I don't know that that's always been the case in England camp. really good to hear from Declan Rice. He's already looking forward to October

and they can do that off the back of that, that 5-0 win. But as Phil was saying, he feels like one of the players who will be absolutely nailed on to start should he be fit for Thomas Tuchel in any of the big games. So Rice and Anderson, potentially,

so then where do Bellingham and Palmer go when they're available and included? I wouldn't play Bellingham deeper. I mean, when we've seen Thomas Tuchel in the game against Andorra, he played Bellingham and a Henley. Henderson as the sit-in two. And the Latvia win at home,

he played Bellingham and Rice as the sit-in two. Albania, it was Rice and Curtis Jones. And I think Jude Bellingham is better when he deployed higher up the pitch. I don't really want him in a defensive role for England, almost in the number 10 role. I mean, if you're going to play Rice and Henderson, Morgan Rogers was outstanding tonight,

so he'll do well to get back in the team when he's fit. But England have to have a player of Jude Bellingham's quality in the starting 11. And for me, he's better when he doesn't have those defensive responsibilities. Yes, you can fit him in. he can play in a number of positions in a deeper line midfield row like he's played him. But for me, personally, I think he's better deployed higher up the field. Yeah, I just think it's a ridiculously tough conundrum to come up with.

Cole Palmer's been absolutely on fire. So you want to try and get him in his natural position where he feels most comfortable. But then again, it's Ramajid star player who's playing there, who's English. And like you said, he's not going to do as well. He's not suited to that sort of withdrawn midfield role. you want him to do similar things to what Cole can do, even similar things to what Declan Rice is doing. He would probably really frustrated tonight.

He's not got a goal. He had some glorious chances, and that's because his timing is so good. So, again, we've got so many people that can play in and around, probably, as we alluded to before, Harry Kane, the main striker, that it will be tough. It'd be nice to play five or six number tens and not as many other players.

But that's the toughest area to find the right chemistry. but also to have a great option off the bench. That's what will potentially win as a tournament. It's not just the lads at the start. We're talking about when things aren't going well, someone who's prepared to come off the bench to the game by the scruff of the neck and potentially winners a game that we're not doing very well in

and say we've got so much talent in there. It's just finding who suits what role. So come on then. I mean, you were talking about this before we heard from Declan Rice. What do you want to see? Again, it's so tough. It's so tough. When you get to the World Cup,

naturally the teams are a lot stronger. So it would be a little bit gung-ho to try and play Bellingham Rice and Cole as Cole Palmer as the midfield three. It'd be fantastic to watch, but obviously things would go wrong. So again, it's just going to have to be some sort of rotation, see who's fit,

see who's available, shoes and form and hope you can get the right chemistry between them. We spoke about how well Madewaki did. if he keeps continuing to play as well as he is there and continues to play that well for Arsenal, you know, Saku has been an absolute shoeing for the last two or three years. He's going to probably struggle to overall him.

So again, we've got that much ability and quality. If we're going on form, it's going to be an absolute interest in the next six months. Nice problems for Thomas Tuchel to have. Phil Jai Elka and Paul Robinson bringing us their thoughts on England's 5-0 victory against Serbia. There was an incident involving the Serbia fans in the second half of that game. John Murray joins us live from the tunnel.

A couple of incidents, John, but it grew in intensity. There was a lot going on here tonight, Kelly. We knew in advance that part of the stadium was going to be closed this evening. So as we mentioned on a number of occasions, there were 8,100 empty seats because the capacity had been reduced by 15%. and this was for discrimination and racist abuse at the last home match for Serbia against Andorra in June when they were also fined £50,000.

And, you know, I sense that the Federation were quite edgy about this because there's also a wider feeling of unrest in Serbia and in Belgrade at the moment with regard to the political situation here. And there were demonstrations in the city yesterday. In advance of this match, the general secretary of the Serbian F.A. Branco Radoiko had actually released an open letter to supporters that said that they were desperate really to send out an image to the world that would make us all proud. That was the phrase that they used.

And anyway, when the match began to turn against them in the second half, as we described, there were scuffles that broke out. I would say it would be no more than that, but in several parts of the stands, certainly down in front of us and on the far side of the ground as well, and there was suddenly a strong security presence. There were policemen, heavily armed policemen in terms of the armour that they were wearing, helmets. They came into the ground and it all settled down.

But at that time, there was certainly a feeling of tension in the ground. And at that point, as we described, quite a number of people with families decided at that point just to leave the ground. John Murray, thank you very much. And the only person we haven't heard from yet is manager Thomas Tuchel. Thomas, the plan comes together. Yeah, told you. You did tell me.

Yes, you need to have a bit of trust in what we're doing. And we tell you that we feel what we feel and we see what we see in camp. And I don't lie to you. If I wouldn't see it, I would say we're not there yet. But I'm just glad that players could show what they showed me during this week. This week was excellent from start to finish. The attitude, the way we played in both matches, and of course today is a statement victory against a difficult opponent in a difficult environment, so I'm very happy for the players.

And what did you see specifically that went so right tonight? I think it was the teamwork, it was a team performance. We put a lot of intensity on the opponent, we helped each other out, we did it the little things were necessary, right, meaning the duels, the one-on-ones, the covering for each other. And there was no negative attitude on the pitch. There was no frustration on the pitch if things go wrong. And for little mistakes, everyone helped each other out. So for me, it was teamwork in its purest form.

And then on a very high level, we played football on a high level and got a deserved win. Three players scored their first goals for England. That's nice. Yeah, it gets nice and nice. Yeah, brilliant. We have five different goal scorers and three of them first time, so excellent even. And you know now, of course, expectations will go through the roof. Yeah, yeah, of course, but I understand that. But yeah, it's normal, but it's our job now to keep this going.

Players go now, of course, to their clubs. But I am very sure that everyone in staff and the players felt what this means. means if a thing gets going and if it's on the right level out on and off the pitch in trainings and matches and in how we were together and yeah this this camp was the benchmark and then from there we go thanks Thomas well done again a very happy and thank you very much to John Murray as well we are now going to reflect on huge movements at Nottingham forest over the last 24 hours three games into this brand new season we have our first sacking

Santo has gone from Notting Forest. Ange Postercoglu has already been announced as his replacement. So let's start by speaking to someone who knows exactly what it's like to work alongside Angi Postercoglu. Anton Macalone was head of sports science at Celtic while Postercoglu was manager there. Hello, Anton. Hi, Kail. How you doing?

Good, thank you. And really interested to find out what the first thing that the Ang will want to do with these players is when he goes into Forest. I think it will be very clear. He'll obviously want to set up the way that he wants to play at the club straight away. He'll be very clear in how he leads and manages, obviously the staff and the players and he'll be very direct at how he wants to go about training and playing the games

from the first man he gets there. I don't think he'll waste any time getting to that point. He has a reputation. Well, the phrase Angeball has been coined about his style of football, and that is his preferred wear of playing. preferred way of playing. But we saw, particularly in the Europa League final,

it's not the only way of playing under Ange Posta Coglu. And so it's going to be interesting to see how he sort of alters the style of play that Nuno Espiritus. Santa wanted Forrest to play to bring about the way that he wants them to play.

Yeah, I think like that, if you look at the system at Forrestes, that 4231, he's played similar at Tottenham, Celtic. I think that will be an easy transition. Obviously, the biggest challenge will be the player personnel that he has at the club.

I think obviously the defence or the midfield or the attacking line will be the small tactical tweaks that he makes. But again, he has obviously shown that he can make the tweaks, whether it was Australia, Selt, all these different clubs. So I think it will be something that he will find that he can do quite easily. But again, it'll be a big challenge because like that, he's not had a transfer window to bring in the players that he won't, so he's going to have to adapt more.

So it'll be an interesting thing because obviously the Premier League now knows what Angeball is all about. So it'll be really interesting to see how, what sort of version they get at A forest. So it'll be really exciting to actually see if you can continue to play that high press and high energy football with some tweaks because obviously you're going from one extreme to another

from obviously the forest team, which is a sort of low block but they're very fast and direct. So it'll be really interesting to see how it goes from that extreme to as you say, Ange Ball. And does that require a different level or a different type of fitness? Yeah, I think it does. I think obviously the club

at Norton of Forestry would have done a fantastic preseason. The players will be Premier League ready, but the demands placed on certain players, maybe the wide players, the number nine, so obviously the strike of there, Chris Wood, fantastic player, but it's more of a target man.

So again, it'll be really interesting, the demands placed, the running demands. Obviously, it's a high intensity game he plays, high pressing, whereas maybe under Nuno. They would set off teams get their shape. So that will challenge them. I think they'll be, they've got robust players. They've got a young squad. You know, obviously

they're not an ageing squad. So I think they'll definitely be successful in it. But again, it will just take time to adapt. But I think Ange all the clubs that he's been at is transition periods. So it takes a little bit of time but people know what to expect now. So I think there will be changes but

I think all for the better. I think the club can go on to another level. What can the players expect from his training sessions? I think what they will find is obviously the Portuguese method. Obviously the training week will change maybe from training every day. They might get

certain days off in the middle of the week. That was something it taught them itself. It was very similar. The type of training is very high in taintain. Stay working in the counterpress, very dominant on ball position. So again, it might be a little bit different tactically in how they set up from

the Portuguese style. But I think it will be very enjoyable for the players. They'll enjoy freedom in playing that sort of style that Ange believes in, that free-flowing football, which is on the front foot. So I think the players will find that it's a change from what they've been doing. Again, it'll be adaptation. But I think they'll enjoy it as, I think most players that have worked under Ange have enjoyed the success that his football brings. There's three big relationships for a manager to manage. One is the relationship with the players. The other one is the relationship with the owner, which I will ask you about at some stage,

Anton, because I think that's going to be fascinating. But the other one is the relationship with fans. And Nottingham Forest fan, Ellie Molyson, joins us now. Ellie, first of all, before we move on to Angipostocoglu, thoughts on the sacking of Nuno. I just think it's ridiculous. He got us into European football, which at the beginning of last season,

everyone was anticipating and predicting for us to go down. I mean, it certainly was no easy feat, and he made it look easy. So I just can't believe that we've sacked him so soon into the season. And it's not like the season has started terribly. No, exactly that. And particularly after the achievements, as you say, of last season and reaching European football at the end of it,

having said that once the decision is made, that there has been such a quick appointment, how have you adapted to that? What have you made of the appointment of Poster Coglu? If I'm being honest, based off of those that were shortlisted, I mean, the likes of Oliver Glasner, and the Eriola, he was probably closer to the bottom of my

list of the ones that I most liked based off of those that were shortlisted. I do feel for Postercoglu because I do feel like that he never should have been sacked from Tottenham. What he did was amazing and the fact that his reward for winning Tottenham, their first silverware in

17 years and the first European trophy in 41 years, the fact that he was sacked for it is ridiculous. But then on the other hand for Forrest, I'm not necessarily sure he's the right fit as we've heard numerous times to start of players incredibly different to that which we're used to at Forest and that the players have become accustomed to and with three games into the season he

hasn't exactly got time to adapt or adjust how the players play because we're straight into paying Arsenal and then is it Swansea then Burnley and then we're in Europe so he's really got to hit the ground running So I'm not sure on this one, to be honest. Firstly, first and foremost, Nuno never should have been sacked. Secondly, the fact that Angie Postercoglu was announced as manager, what, 12 hours after the sacking, it seems that this was a long time coming. I think it's interesting what Anton was saying about the fact that actually the system that the two managers play

isn't very different at all. It's just the approach to how the players. work within that. But equally, I was going to ask you anyway about whether or not the forest fans were tiring at all of the style of football or whether that was going to come under Nuno, tiring of that more sort of pragmatic style of football, whether they would be looking forward to something a bit more expansive.

I think it was clear from the get-go of this season. The intention was always to expand our style of play under Nuno to perhaps be a little bit more dominant in terms of possession because I think our average possession was only about 40-something across the whole Premier League season. And we saw in the Brentford game quite a change in the forest that we know from last season, but still the same but more confident, I guess. So I think Nuno's intention was always there to build on what he'd already set up.

I don't personally believe in one style of football is better. in another. I don't personally believe in attractive football. At the end of the day, it's about results in game management. And Nuno understood that like probably no other manager in the league, as much as that's a probably crazy thing to say. I mean, look at how we dealt with Liverpool, an incredible team last season. We didn't lose to them. We beat them 1-0 and we weren't the better team on the day, if we're completely honest. And I think that's What I fear a little bit with Andge is that ability for manage games. Ellie, thank you very much for talking to us.

As Ellie was saying, what the forest fans will eventually judge on is results. And Evangelos Marinakis said, we're bringing in a coach with a proven record of winning trophies. Ange has the credentials. We're excited that he's joining us on our ambitious journey. But Anton, that's going to be a very interesting relationship to watch develop. Two very strong characters. yeah I think it's going to be very exciting to watch obviously and working at Tottenham with Daniel

again two strong leaders I think it's going to be really exciting I think the key thing is is hopefully the club obviously won't expand in the way that they want to play football they want to bring in a winning manager and brings in that winning mentality as a serial winner so I think it will be exciting I think it'll be challenging but I think the ownership and the the sporting director they want to bring in

top players and play a certain brand of football, which is going to be exciting to the fans, and hopefully it can bring glory like the past under the great Brian Clough and stuff. I think that will be one of the exciting parts that it hopefully gets the fans dreaming again, but I think it will be really exciting

in the challenges ahead because it's too strong personalities, but hopefully it's all successful over the coming years. Anton, really appreciate you talking to us. Much appreciate it all the best. Thank you, Anton. Paul Robinson and Phil Jagalco is still with us. Paul, I just wanted to pick up with you this idea that actually that Anton made,

if you look at an Angi Postococli side and a Nuno Spirita Center side on paper, and you put the formations out, they might not look too different. It's more that the difference is in terms of approach. Do you think that may reassure some forest fans who are worried about that changing style? No, because they are two different styles completely night and day. Yes, the formation may look similar on paper. But Antpros de Coglu, the way that he played at Tottenham, they don't sit in a low block.

They won't spring on the counterattack. They won't play counter-attacking football like Nottingham Forest have done. They'll play on the front foot. They'll attack. They'll play an extremely high line. The defence certainly won't be used to doing that. They'll be interesting with Marillo and Malinkovich, how they handle playing a high line.

I just don't get it at all three games into a season. Listen, if you want to change your manager, every owner and every club have got the right to change the manager when they want. but the success that Nuno brought to Nottingham Forest last season, okay, fine, break down in relationship with the owner, get that, understand it, it happens. Do it at the start of the season.

If you're going to have that big of a change with the manager, Ange Postercoglu, the style, give him a pre-season. At least, you know, let him start ahead of the... Don't put it behind the eight ball, three games into the season in the middle of an international break. Oh, and by the way, in two days' time, you've got Arsenal. I mean, what's he going to do in that time? If he wants to implement his style,

if you're going to make that decision, you're not telling me three, games ago at the start of the season, you didn't already have that at the back of your mind. You know, think about it and do it in pre-season, give your new manager with a new style pre-season to work and at least, you know, start ahead of the game a little bit rather than doing it at this stage of the season. But no, I don't understand it. Obviously, there's the breakdown in the relationship and that was irreparable. Yeah, definitely, as Robbo says, pre-season is probably more key than actually the transfer

window. I think you could go without him actually signing any players, but I think most management is now the way pre-season is. That's when you get all your tactical time out on the training pitch. And I think for Ange to basically do, we heard about the schedule. They've got a league up time. They've got the European League as well in amongst the Premier League games of Arsenal and Burnley. So he's not going to get any time on the training pitch to implement anywhere near

what I presume he'll want to. But again, Andrew will back himself. He's that type of guy. He'll have had obviously a meeting. of the owner and he will back himself to the hills and again, it's going to be exciting to see how or should I say what version of

Ange Ball we get at Nottingham Forest. That's all for this episode of the Football Daily. Come back on Wednesday for 72 plus the EFL podcast. Aaron Paul and Joby McEnough will be joined by former Peterborough manager Steve Evans to chat about his former club as well as bring us stories from

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