Football Daily - Kane inspires England win & Ronaldo is not retiring - 5 Live Reaction

Episode Date: October 6, 2026

Kelly Somers is alongside John Murray, Ian Dennis, Matt Upson and Paul Robinson as England comfortably beat Czechia 3-0 at Wembley. Harry Kane celebrated his record-equalling 125th England cap with two goals making it 91 goals for England on the night he drew level with Peter Shilton. How has this camp effected competition for places and should Harry Kane win the Ballon d’Or? Hear from manager Thomas Tuchel, Eberechi Eze and captain Harry Kane.Elsewhere Ronaldo has released a lengthy statement saying he is not retiring, Portuguese football expert Tom Kundert drops by to explain more about what this means for Ronaldo’s future. TIMECODES:01:10 Full time reaction 04:30 Harry Kane goals 09:40 Consistency 17:50 Ballon d’Or 18:50 Eze 24:30 Tuchel 29:10 Harry Kane with John 39:00 Ronaldo is NOT retiring

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secrets, catching my teacher. Listen on BBC.com, the BBC app or wherever you get your BBC podcasts. You're listening to the Football Daily podcast with Kelly Summers. Welcome along to The Football Daily. It was a very comfortable win for England as they beat Chequia 3-0 at Wembley. We'll be hearing from Thomas Tuchel and Captain Harry Kane, who equalled Peter Shilton's 125-cap record while scoring his 90th and 91st goals for his country. We'll also discuss

Cristiano Ronaldo, who has released a statement confirming he is not retiring from international football, but it contains a lot of detail regarding his falling out with Portugal head coach, George J-Zus. All of that to come after this. This is the Football Daily podcast with Kelly

Summers. That's it in the Nations League for this extended international window. Jordan Pickford delivering the ball downfield and with the captain's arm band on turns and waves at the England fans behind him. A clean sheet for Jordan Pickford.

He's 49th for England. But Harry Kane is the man who the cameras are going to as Harry Kane walks down with his training top on, having been substituted. He just greets there the Czech coach, Santi Denier. And also Vladimir itself Alcomes across him as well. His opposite number tonight, the Czech captain,

and says well done to the England captain. For his two goals tonight, And he is the headline act yet again for England who've won 3-0. Paul Robinson and Matt Ubson. Yep, I think it was a very much routine job done for England. I think we all had inflated expectations of the amount of goals that England may score against this inferior opponent here at home against the Czech Republic after the Croatian performance.

But it was so, so comfortable for England. I mean, Jordan Pickford, I think you can count his touches on both hands. They'll definitely be in single figures tonight. They were never, ever in trouble England. never really conceded possession in the wrong areas. They made the right decision. They kept possession. They moved the ball quickly.

And they played, in all honesty, very, very much within themselves. Coming off the back of a fantastic winning Croatia, you felt if England needed to go to the next level tonight, they could have done, but they never needed to. They were very, very comfortable throughout the whole game. Yeah, there was a very good performance from a very confident team at the moment. And we can all make our, our, complaints or dislikes about the four-match window that we've just witnessed.

But I genuinely think the team and the players have benefited from it. Maybe it's too a heavier workload. Maybe it comes at the wrong time of the season. But I think the group have benefited. I think the manager has had so much time around them, that they've been around each other, getting to know each other, building the camaraderie and all the teamwork that you see on the first. field and I think it's been really good and it's been capped off by a solid performance at home,

which like Robo just said, it felt like they could have gone another gear if needed at any point. And when they did, it was quick and fast and decisive. Yeah, I must say, I think it's been an interesting international window coming as it did for England after what happened at the World Cup. Just watching Thomas Tuchel disappearing down there, I think he'll be satisfied enough. The performance against Spain, even though it was a defeat here at Wembley, but then winning these next three matches. And if Spain have indeed won tonight, England have beaten checked by three goals to nil, which means that England are all but virtually guaranteed a place in the quarterfinals in March with those two matches to play next month.

So next I'm off to interview Thomas Tuchel for the ninth time during this international window after England have beaten Chequhart by three goals to nil. Thank you very much, John. Get yourself down that tunnel because as you said, Thomas Tuchel is down there as Harry Kane leads the England players around the Wembley pitch. A handful of fans have stayed to applaud an England side who John said have performed well over this international break. I think overall we can say it has been successful.

Plenty more reaction to come from England's win over Chequier. Then 3-0 the full-time scoreline here. Two goals for Harry Kane on his record equally 125th appearance for his country. As I can see him go over and speak to the television cameras. and John Murray is heading down the tunnel as we speak to get some reaction. So we'll bring that to you as of when we have it. But Paul Robinson, Matt Upton and Ian Dennis are still here with us.

It was comfortable, wasn't it, tonight? Matt, and it was very much job done. And I feel like we've seen a few different sides to England during this break. Yeah, I thought we saw a few different sides in that game. To be honest, from a team that was, you know, going through the motions a little bit controlling the game to all of a sudden a real change of gear, some really fast one touch passing that created a lot of opportunities, created the goals,

created the mistake from so far and put a lot of pressure on the checks. And it was, it just felt like we were miles better than them, to be honest. And I think there's a real swagger and an arrogance, a good arrogance that the players have about how good they are. And we need to keep, continue to build that for those massive games that we encounter in major tournaments. Yeah, I think the reason I've been so intrigued and probably quite pleased, with this international break Robbo is the fact that it does feel like

England have taken the good from the World Cup learnt from it and the benefit of probably having I know we can debate whether it's too many games whether it's the wrong time in the season having this longer break you said it in commentary can really help them and I feel like England have really reaped the rewards of it and I think they've taken the bad from the World Cup as well Kelly

in all honesty like I said in commentary believe Thomas Tuchel or not what he said in his press conferences leading up to these Nations League games that you know he's he's He doesn't take anything from the Argentina game. He looks back at the World Cup and he believes that people will talk about the good performances against Croatia,

the performance against Mexico away, when actually people aren't going to talk to Thomas Tuchel about the Argentina game because nobody's going to want to upset Thomas Tuchel. When you go and speak to him as the England manager, that's not a subject that you're not going to bring that up, first of all. So maybe he hasn't had that conversation with that many people. But believe me,

and me and a lot of my friends and a lot of other people in the media and outside of the media, we all talk about how disappointing it was that England left the World Cup in the way that they did, trying to defend and hold on to a lead against the team that were a very, very good side. And I think what Thomas Tuchel's learnt from that

is what England's strengths are. And I have thoroughly enjoyed. This is, it's a long time since I've said this, I've thoroughly enjoyed watching England play. Not just tonight, not just away in Prague, away in Croatia, here against the world champion, Spain. for using a boxing phrase

they went down swinging. They didn't sit deep, they didn't try and defend what they weren't good at, they didn't try and stay in the game. They thought, do you know what, we're going to press on the front foot

and we're going to have a go. Everything that Thomas Tuchel said that his England side were going to be about that they didn't deliver in the World Cup, we're starting to see that. And that was a really good international break. And I think Tuchel needed that.

I really do because there was a lot of questions about him and his future after the World Cup and rightly so, of his tactics, his in-game management. This tournament, like it or loathe it, because of the Nations League and the stigma around it, this is a big competition for Thomas Tuchel and his England team. And he's come out at the back of this international break.

They beat France in the third and fourth place playoff very well, and they've brought that type of performance into these four games. And these four games have been very, very beneficial, not just for England and the national team, but for the manager in his future. It did feel a very poignant, important. break for England and particularly as Robo said there, Deno, for

Thomas Tuchel. And I understand what Robbo is saying about yes, everyone is still talking about Argentina because that's the match that's defined how we're talking about England but we have to move on. England have to move on and other than beating Spain obviously in that first game, I don't think they can move on in a better way

than the way they have in this break and the way they've performed in these wins as well. I think you're right in what you just said about the way that they perform because England might have won games but it's the actual performance and the displays that have been probably as impressive as the actual results themselves because that was what Harry Kane at the start of these four games in 11 days was saying to me that in order to improve they've got to perform over 90 minutes they did that against Croatia

which undoubtedly was the best performance for England under Thomas Tuchel and then speaking to the players yesterday when we watched them train at Tottenham then to follow that up with another consistent performance. And the Czech Republic, not necessarily of the same quality, but they were stubborn opposition. And I think that England eventually wore them down. And it was a very good performance with some very good goals. Harry Kane hits the crossbar. And I think that's what they're striving for now is the consistency.

They're virtually all but qualified for the knockout stages, which means they're going to play two more meaningful games come March with a chance to progress to next summer's final. finals and this is all to do with such an important competition as Paul was saying because this is a stepping stone towards then challenging for the euros in 2028 and they've fallen short of the world champions Spain won the world cup what months ago weeks ago and they've fallen short of the world champions by one goal yet the way that they performed in that game I came away from wembley that night thinking really enjoyed that that was a cracking game you know England went toe to toe with the world champions and yes they fell short but it was only

by one goal. And when you look at the league table now, England has sat second in the table, but they've scored more goals than Spain and they've conceded less goals than Spain. Yes, in the head-to-head, they've lost that. But actually, what I've seen in this international break, we're so quick to criticise all the time and we're so quick to jump on the negatives. There's a lot of positives, more positives than negatives. Absolutely what Thomas Tuka will take from that. What I also really enjoyed, Matt, was we spoke about the Croatia game and both you and Robbo said pre-match and Robbos kind of said it then that we're so quick, aren't we to say, well, Croatia weren't that good.

But what I loved is that England have been relentless and it's felt like even tonight, they controlled the game and they were relentless in a different way. They were like, we're not going to let you score. We're going to keep playing our way and keep control of this game. Yeah, I think it was interesting in the interview we heard before the game with John and Thomas Tuchel. He spoke to him about Drew Bellingham and he said twice about how well is he doing? is he gone up a notch and he said two words he used twice was reliable and you kind of think

well you're not really associating that with like superstardom of you know one of the best players around at the moment but knowing who's reliable and knowing who's going to be there and be reliable in moments when it's difficult or moments where you really need it I don't think you can just build that in 18 months building into a major tournament also what he's probably saying there with Bellingham is he's reliable in terms of you know No, he's going to be a stop. He's going to be stopped, former every game.

And England are getting that from Harry Kane, Jude Bellingham. All over the pitch. Anthony Gordon, needing it more from the centrebacks who was starting to build it. Because did they have enough of that at the World Cup? No, and I'm not sure a manager could come in 18 months before that tournament

and that be at the level where it needs to be. I think that's difficult. That's not a big time frame. And bearing in mind, all those games building up to USA, Mexico and Canada, they were average games because the nation's, league was all over the place. We weren't playing strong qualifiers. We didn't really see it tested. We're now seeing it tested and we're seeing reliability. We're seeing all that I say you use the

word boring. They're not boring. They're really important fundamentals. We want to be boringly predictable in terms of we want to know they're going to turn up at the time. But they allow the great things then to shine because you do all those great moments and you win the game because you make the right decisions on the field. I think that's hugely important. And that's that's for me the biggest thing that he's building in this group of players. now and he's got a bit more time before the next major tournament with good opposition to play to get it even better and the Nations League has brought that you know people will have their opinions on you know where it ranks on level of importance but actually when you see the competition if this was a year before the Nations League was brought here we'd be playing European minnows in a qualification campaign and we'd be watching England win 3-0 in a really boring game when everyone's throwing paper airplanes down from the top of Wembley we're actually now we're seeing them play the world champions Croatia the Czech Republic, difficult opposition, and they're tested at a level now,

and we're actually enjoying watching these games, and it's making the team and the group better. Yeah, and it does feel like the group is a big thing as well. And I know we spoke earlier, Robo, and you said maybe that some of the fringe players hadn't really done much, but it does feel like the whole level of the group, Deno, has gone up a little bit.

And Thomas Tugel spoke a lot in the summer about starters and finishers, didn't he? And I feel like that mentality, because we're actually watching Dominic Calais, at Lewin do a calldown now. He only had a few minutes during this international break. But you get the feeling that these players, it just feels like a group.

I don't know. It just feels a... I know he talks a lot with it about Southgate, but it just feels like Tuchel's got them at the top level, the whole lot of them. But I think in many ways, and obviously you were out with them in the summer in the United States.

I think I'm right in saying that 15 players are still from this squad. So nine were missing from the World Cup. And they talked a lot about the Brotherhood. And I think what, Thomas Tuchel, if he had a slight concern going into the group, was the players coming in had to buy into that brotherhood and also then buy into the energy,

and they had to try and produce that. And I'm looking at players such as Lewis Hall, who's started now three successive games at Left Back. He's done that. Alex Scott, barring his injury, has done that. So there's been players who have used these four games and the time that they've had together as a really good opportunity. And I think they've only Hans there, Clay,

on the flip side, I think Cole Palmer will struggle to get back into the squad, come next month against Croatia at home and then Spain away. Because when Thomas Tuchel says it's one thing to get nominated, it's then another thing then to prove and to fight for your place. And there are players who have mentioned Rio and Gamoa. You could see the embrace that Thomas Tuchel gave the Liverpool teenager at the end. He's another one who has again come into the squad. and I think has probably deserved to stay there in the cameo roles that he's had.

It does feel remiss of us to talk about all of, rightfully so, talking about Alex Scott and players like that, but it would be remiss of us not to talk about the man who is going to get the headlines again tonight. Harry Kane. Who's that then? You said that as I said the name, so you heard. But I didn't need to say the name, did I? Because once again, I mean, we could have written this beforehand,

couldn't we? We knew he was going to score. We probably knew who's going to score more than once. On his record, equalling England appearance, he made it look easy. it's just what he does. It is. When he hit the crossbar, I thought,

oh, if that had gone in, he's got a bit more time there. And then he gets the second with the header and you think he's definitely staying on now because it must have been close to coming off before that goal. I would have thought, I mean,

he's played so many of the minutes, hasn't he? But it's fitting. And you're right, it's almost like you knew it was going to happen. It was written there for him. And he's not one that's not going to take it, is he?

What a finisher. I mean, October the 26th, of the day, and I was speaking to him the day, and I said, good luck, if you know, it'd be the Ballandor. Last season, he scored 73 goals in 65 appearances for club and country, which is just insane. And it doesn't matter what record, so that's his 18th brace for England. He scored 22 in 22 games now under Tuchel. He scored the most competitive goals, 82 in 105 games. He scored 17 goals in his last 14 at Wembley.

He scored 49 goals in his last 57 games for England. His numbers just continue to stack up. And speaking to Trevor Chalabar yesterday, he was saying that he is still the one who sets the standards in the dressing room. He and Jude Bellingham. They are still the heartbeat of this England side. We were saying beforehand

that Jude Bellingham has gone up another level since the World Cup. Harry Kane, at the age of whatever... 33. 33 is just continuing to produce. Am I on my own in this room? Or if he does not win the Ballandor, it's a travesty this year, surely.

when you reel out those numbers. The competition's stiff, isn't it, though? It's stiff, but there's nobody that's got figures like him. I mean, he's played 98 Bundesliga games and 101 goals. The fastest man ever to get 100 Bundesliga goals. He just deserves it for me. Yeah, he does. About how he's done it, how he goes about it,

what his age is now, his whole approach to football, how humble he is, he just deserves it. One of the main, obviously, I was gutted when England lost in the semi-final, at least because I was the first person to see. speak to Thomas Tuchel straight after it. But also because I thought if England win this World Cup or gets to the final, then that also enhances Harry Kane's chances of winning the Ball and Door. That's the one thing that I was desperate for because I thought he deserves it.

And I thought you asked Thomas Tuchel a really good question there, a really poignant question when you said, did we see Thomas Tugles England? And you put him right on the back foot because it was right. We didn't see everything that he said about the Premier League and the pace. Oh, Rob, we don't bring it back to that. We're talking about the positives. No, I know. We're going to go back to that.

But I just thought, well, I'm giving you a little bit of praise because I thought it was an excellent question that you asked him. And he was unable to answer it in a diplomatic way that a manager would because we didn't see what he wanted. He spoke us about the Premier League pace and he didn't deliver that. But we're seeing it now, aren't we, hopefully? Let's move on from that, Robo. Let's move on from it.

And let's now hear from one of the players. You've got to start tonight. Everettcher, Ezah is with John Murray. Yes, the first man we're going to hear since the end of the match is Abererachee Ezra of Arsah of Arborici, Eza, of Arn. Arsenal and England. Give us an overview on how you feel it went tonight. A good job done.

Yeah, definitely a special performance from the team. We knew what we wanted to do. We know that they would give us some types of issues, but I think we've done really well to nullify them and to play our game and get a win. And good to get a start in this window for you. Yeah, for sure. For sure.

It's always special to play. I always want to play. I always want to enjoy my football. And to have the opportunity today is a big thing for me and something I'll continue to build on. You warmed to it, didn't you, as the match went on? Yeah, yeah, I think when you haven't played so many minutes and sometimes it can take time to build into games,

but today, I felt like I enjoyed myself, and that's what I want to do, Mom. Yeah, talk to us about either playing on the left or playing more centrally. Yeah, I don't really mind, to be honest. I feel like they're both different. They both have pros and cons, and there's different challenges in both positions.

I enjoy both of them. I enjoy finding space and find a ways to score and assist and to create things. So, yeah, I really enjoy both. So honestly, they really mind. Do you know what I was thinking in the second half? With you having scored the winning goal in the FA Cup final here, does that make it? Is there a thing going on there when that happens,

that is somewhere in your mind? I don't think about it like that, to be fair. enjoy playing at Wembley and enjoys scoring goals at Wembley, I scored a few. But that great thing happened at that end? Yeah, yeah, for sure. That was a special moment. I'm massively blessed to have lived that and experienced that and something that will always be dear to me and everyone involved at Palace as well. So, yeah, definitely something that is in my heart, but I wasn't thinking about it today on the bitch.

Tell us as well, what has this window been like, this long international window coming so soon after you were away for such a long time at the World Cup? Yeah, it's been good. I think we put in some really good performances, play some good football and challenge ourselves. It's always fun to play with these guys, top players, top people. So, yeah, we always enjoy coming to come. Well done, Averichite. We will see you next month again. Thank you. See you. Bye, bye. Thank you very much, John. Yeah, excellent multitasking from Matt Uppson, by the way, up here, who's managed to scoff half a cookie during that interview.

But I know you're all so intently listening. There's a lot of cookies in this commentary box, which I'm surprised haven't been. melted due to the heat, to be honest. Everett Cheezzo there with John Murray. Answer the question. Then central or wide for him then. He says he doesn't mind. Where's he better? I thought he, as John said, it was quite clear to me, he got a little bit better as the game went on. And I think as he said, there is a little bit of that in that you picked, you're on a side, you're playing in a position where you know Anthony Gordon has absolutely nailed that role at the moment. You probably, you know, you know, it's hard mentally then to get yourself in that zone. He's a

very different player because he doesn't want to make those straight runs in behind all the time. He doesn't play the way that Gordon does. So he offers up something different. When it's like that, sometimes it is quite hard than that belief and confidence and you have to ease your way into the game. He hasn't played that many minutes. So I can take all that in and it showed because once he did feel a bit more comfortable and got more into his rhythm, we started to see more from him and he was getting it going inside the pitch. We saw a couple of lovely shows. We saw a couple of lovely shimmies. He's unbelievable at moving his body over the ball, the little bit of footwork that nearly got in when Sofowl blocked him. You know, he could have scored a really good goal there.

So there was a lot that he did in the second half that I thought really did elevate his performance. But for me, he's inside the pitch all day. And I think that's, if he was honest, I'm sure he would probably enjoy playing. Not number 10, number 10. That slightly inverted role was like a front three where they're too narrow off the centre forward, I think. Where he played for Palace is where he appears to really enjoy playing. I think there was a little element tonight with Morgan Rogers as well as Everidge A. Of knowing that they're not going to be a regular starter for England. And it's always difficult when we talk about an England team that are playing so well.

I mean, they won a way 2-0 against the Czechs. And the fantastic result in Croatia. And since that Croatia game, we've all been waxing lyrical about Saka, Bellingham, Gordon, Kane. And that's his front four. and then he changed that tonight and he gave Morgan Rogers an opportunity and Eberich Ezee an opportunity and I don't know whether I'm right or wrong

but there was just a feeling for me like they've been given an opportunity they have to do well if they want another opportunity because he's front four at the moment because they're playing so well a set starters and finishers though Robert there's opportunities there Thomas Tugel's made that year in tournament

but nobody wants to be a finisher nobody wants to come off the bench I mean there's been a lot of players over the years to their detriment they've had such an impact coming off the bench. You know, you find these players that come off the bench that have got pace and that can impact a game, a manager sometimes won't necessarily start them because they are so good at coming off a bench.

And you don't want to be that player. But I think there's an awareness and acceptance from maybe Ezah and certainly from Morgan Rogers, after listening to him talk out in Croatia, that they know if everybody's fit, the front forward be Gordon on the left, Sacker on the right and Bellingham behind Kane. And Rogers knows that he's going to have to bide his time,

and then take an opportunity when it comes his way. But you're right, it's all about then when you come off the bench, you've got to then buy into the egos. He's finding the positive in that situation, isn't it? There's nothing wrong with that. That's a good place for the team to be, isn't it? I think there's anything wrong with that at all because you're always striving to get that number one slot.

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you'll be the first to get every episode as soon as they're released. This is the Football Daily podcast with Kelly Summers. We're going to have to go back into this tunnel because Thomas Tuchel's with John. Yes, joining us is the England manager, Thomas Tuchel, who, when you walked across to me, Thomas, you had a very satisfied smile on your face, I thought.

I am very satisfied. We had a very good camp and, again, a very good performance. We were totally dominant. Controlled the game, created some good moments, had some, yeah, created some good chances, scored nice goals and deserved a win in four matches in a short period of time.

The effort was again there, the quality was there, and you could see it was, it looked exactly from the outside like it was from the inside. It was an excellent two weeks. And tonight, no prizes for guessing who the headline act is, the captain. I don't know we've spoken about him so much but you know

to deliver in that way on such an important night for him. Yeah he delivers all the time makes no difference it's of course special that he did it today on the day where he equals the record with Peter Shilton so yeah if it needed any proof it doesn't

of course but he shows it again and again he has again a very good performance he played all four matches for us he was eager to play, started four matches. Top captain, and hopefully next camp he gets the next two caps. Do you think that he's the best we've ever had?

I don't know how well placed you would be to judge that, but you are the England manager. I don't know about the best ever and the staff, but I think he is a legend of the English game and hopefully he stays fit and gets the record for himself. And yeah, he will inspire loads and loads of, of young people to play football and encourage people to have a career like him and try their luck.

So it's a fantastic role model and he deserves the praise. More widely at the start of this international window, you talked about wanting to make it into a 10-match cycle in the Nations League and after the setback of losing to Spain here, you know the bounceback has been pretty impressive, hasn't it? And you are now virtually in the quarterfinals in March. Yeah, we are very very. We're very close. It's never done until it's done in sports, of course.

And we have a next window with Croatia and then hopefully we get a final for place one in Spain. This is what we're looking for. But yeah, first things first. So next camp is the most important to secure our place in the quarterfinals. But we have high ambitions. We want to go to the final four and try to make it 10 matches in Nations League. Like I said, I think we had a very good camp. We had very good four matches.

The performance against Spain was also on a high level. And we were very close to beat them, didn't beat them, but the reaction is always what matters. And to win three matches with three clean sheets in the way we did, it's very impressive, and the team deserves the praise. Thanks, Thomas. Well done. Thank you. Thank you very much, too. John. I just spoke over him there very rudely, didn't I? We call him the chief. You can't talk over the chief.

And I've just done that. I won't be back on England duty again with John Murray, will I? What I was going to say there is, I've been fortunate to interview Thomas Tuchel on numerous occasions, as I'm sure you have too, Deno. And you can always hear in his first answer, his mood, you can hear when Thomas Tuchel is smiling, even when you can't see him. And you can hear when he's relaxed. He used the word excellent.

I really don't think tonight in this camp could have gone much better Span aside for him. I agree. And because certainly going into the Spain game, I think there was pressure. as Paul has already alluded to on him. And you can't legislate for the mistakes that Mark Gehey and Nico O'Reilly made that led to two of the Spain's goals. And also, if Harry Kane doesn't slip and his penalty doesn't hit the crossbar, England then at 3-1 go on to win the game.

And that's what we were saying before about what I think what has pleased him, even though they lost to Spain, is the level of performance over these four matches. They've had a really good spell time together, particularly when they're away in Croatia. and they've built on the foundations. Harry Kane said to me, this is not a new beginning. And they've built on the foundations that they put down at the World Cup. Yes, there will always be that disappointment.

Thomas Tuchel talks about the scar after losing to Argentina. That will only be, I guess, eradicated, if at all it will, with victory in the Euros. And that's why we've talked about the importance of this competition. Let's get some more reaction. John is with Harry Kane. Yes, here he is, the England captain, the man of the knight, a very proud evening for you, Harry, to equal Peter Shulton's record

and to mark it with a couple of goals as well. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, almost the perfect night to finish the camp for me. Obviously, a big night to equal the record and an extremely proud achievement to reach. But as always, I think those achievements feel even better when you win the game. And for me, personally, to score a couple goals as well,

it would be a nice night to celebrate now for sure. Yeah, good performance, good win and yeah, a good way to end the camp. How do you, when it is such an occasion, how do you sort of use your mind to focus on what you have to? Yeah, I think I guess it comes easy to me in that sense. Always put the team first and always want to help the team reach the level. I come second in that, you know, the players come second in that. When we're a team, when we're a unit,

that's the most important thing. We spoke before the game about making sure we finished the camp well and backing up the performance we had on the weekend and we've done that. So, yeah, that makes me proud, proud to be the captain of this great group. Yeah, it makes me proud of this group and ultimately that's the most important thing. It's not about individuals, it's about the team,

and we show that again today. And into the 90s now in goals, when you think that, you know, the previous record was 49. I mean, these are extraordinary things. Why has it got 53? That's right, 53. Bobby Charlton 49, we're in 53. But I mean, you know, you're pushing on to almost double that.

That's incredible. Yeah, no, it's, yeah, for me, it's hard to put into words, I guess. It goes so quick and the years come by so quick. And for me, it's always just about the next thing, the next achievement, how can I improve, how can I improve the team? And, yeah, now I'm at a number that's, yeah, was hard to believe even for myself when I was starting.

And, yeah, I'm not done yet either. I think that's the most exciting thing. I enjoy being out there every time with the boys and feeling as good as I've ever felt. So let's keep them coming. I never put a ceiling on anything. And right now I'm in a good place. Yeah, and I guess against Croatia here next month,

when you would potentially beat the record, same approach? Absolutely. Yeah, we're in a great place in the group right now. I think if, yeah, win in that game, would secure a qualification and secure a quarter-final. And that will be the mindset. You know, of course it will be, again, maybe an even proud of achievement to go ahead of the CAP record.

But ultimately, yeah, it will be another evening where we need to put in a good performance. So it's a lot of games from now until then for clubs. So it's about going back to them. No, a lot of games from now and to them, obviously we're buying Munich now. So get back and get into the swing of things there. And before we know, we'll be back here for sure.

Thanks, Harry. Well done again. Thank you. Harry Kane on his big night, Kelly, disappears off. He probably have even more talking to do. And as we know, Harry Kane's voice doesn't always hold out. I thought we were going to have Mexico round two there with John Murray. Welcome back to Five Live Sport.

If you're just joining us, England have had a brilliant victory over Czechia here at Wembley. 3-0 rounding off a very successful Nations League and elongated September international break for Thomas Tuchel and his team. Matt Upton and Ian Dennis are still with us. As you just heard then, John Murray is in the tunnel. We've already heard from Eberich Eze, Thomas Tuckel, and now Harry Kane. And I mean, I've interviewed Harry Kane many, many times. I've spoken about Harry Kay many, many times, as we all have gents. But like hearing him speak there, he's saying he's not done yet.

It just feels like he just ticks by. He just ticks by. But not only is he ticking by, he's almost still getting better, which is quite scary, Matt. At 33, you kind of think he would have peaked. you almost think there's still so much more to come. Yeah, there's a lovely way in which he talks about that. And almost like you say, can't quite believe it himself, but is supremely confident in his own ability.

He's just got such a lovely balance about being as good as what he is, but it doesn't come across in any other way that you can tell he just loves it. And he's a machine. That's the word I always use machine. He's just a machine. So, you know, you'll talk. I'm sure there'll be goals that will have obviously been bigger, more momentous goals and ones that he wants to score,

i.e. a goal in a World Cup final or whatever that may be, but they all count. They all mean something and they're all, it's relentless, isn't it? It's pursuit of what he wants and to get to where he is. He's had to apply that mindset over the years, otherwise you'd never get there. So it's remarkable and he deserves all the accolades that he can possibly. get and can he top it off like robos mizam with a ball on door hopefully so but i'm going to ask the

three of you a question right and this is going to this is going to put his who put you in charge i thought that was my child he's going to he this is going to put everything into context what he's achieved so alex scott was legacy number 13001 okay of all those english players right how many what percentage do you think have had caps from one to nine so what percentage of England players since 1872 have had under 10 caps percentage? I wouldn't have a clue. Just have a guess. Any number?

20%. I have never seen such a blank look from everyone in there. Under 10. Under 10 games? Yeah. I think there's more than you think. Maybe 55%. Kelly?

Pick me and give you a number. I'm going to go. To say anything. 30? Well, I like you, I went around 15, 20%. Speaking to the FAA's technical director, John McDermott at Tottenham yesterday, nearly 75% of England players have only had caps from under 10 caps. Really?

And you think that 100 or more caps, and there are only 10 Centurions, that is in the top 0.77%. So Harry Kane is now up there with Peter Shilton. He'll break it next month. And in that time, he scored 91 goals in his 125 appearances. So he is in the top 1% of English players and yet he's still performing at the level. I just think that that is an incredible statistic

and it just goes to show what he's achieved and what he still wants to achieve because his levels of desire still haven't expired. But all the numbers that both you and John have wheeled out tonight and all the stats that we've got on him, you can't fail to be amazed by the numbers that he's continually posting. Yet I think we're guilty. again we spoke before the

game you don't appreciate what you've got until years down the line why are we not talking about Harry Kane in the same breath I know we're going to talk about Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi and players of that Lovsky those type of players why do we not as English people put him in that bracket why is he not in the conversation

well he is he is and actually he has to be surely in the past he's talked about wanting to elevate his level to a Messi or a Ronaldo and I actually said to him if you get the Ballandore maybe that doesn't he says well no they've won it five seven times whatever it is but the numbers that he's producing I think he is he is a world great the biggest you know he's not won the trophies that they've won no I also wonder if the way he's approached the ball and door the way he's been talking about it he's so humble I sometimes wish he'd just say a little bit more and say I really want to win it what you mean

go begging for it like others have done quite publicly he is almost so humble and he's almost other players have said there's no one in the world playing better than me. And quotes like that, that just isn't a Harry Kane thing. And I love that. And I think that's maybe quite an English, British trait, so to speak, to speak it down. But sometimes I just wish he'd have that level of arrogance. Because I think he has the, he obviously has the arrogance to score goals to know he can be any defender. Do you know what I mean?

Yeah. In terms of his talk, he doesn't talk himself up enough. But he's modest, you know, when he's... Which is a lovely trait. But he's got the inner self-belief. You can see that in the way that he plays. but outwardly and the perception when you speak to him. I wonder if we don't, if we, I think we do talk about him in that breath,

but I know what you mean. The wider world maybe doesn't. Maybe that's why I don't know. The biggest compliment I can give him is that he has never ever taken a backwards step. Every single step he's taken, he's got better and better. Think how many times he's been written off as well? That's what I'm saying. And now we're watching him here and he's probably playing the best I've seen him play.

And he's just say that like he's in the best shape. He feels the best. He's played all the games, nearly all the minutes. And how long has he been in England's number nine? I mean, you'll be better qualified to tell me that, I mean,

how many years? We're in double figures, surely, right? And all of that time, the question that we always ask, what do we do if Harry Kane don't play? Yeah. And in all those years,

there's been no answer. And we're still, he's 33 years of age. At some point, farther time, we'll catch up. There is no genuine answer to that question, even now.

As for the Ballandoy, he told me, he said, it could be amazing. He says, we'll have to wait and see. But as we know in life and football, it doesn't always pan out the way you want. It breaks my heart about that. Came for the ball and door. Let's start the campaign here.

If he won't do it, we'll do it. Elsewhere this evening, Cristiano Ronaldo, has released a statement saying that he is not retiring from international football, but it did have a lot of detail in his statement on his falling out with Portugal head coach George J-Zus. Now, Ronaldo left the camp after he was angry at being made, to warm up and not bought off the bench against Norway.

In a very long 2,000 words statement he's posted on social media, Ronaldo says he was told he was going to play half an hour against Norway and that he'd made an agreement with the manager that he would issue an apology in a press conference, neither of which happened. He said that he deserves to be punished for walking out on the team, but he wants to play on. So let's get the feeling in Portugal.

Joining us now is the Portuguese football expert Tom Kundert. Tom, thanks for joining us. on a night where Ronaldo wasn't even in action. He's taking the headlines once again. How's this statement gone down? Were you surprised by it? Yeah, well, that's been the case. The last three matches, of course.

Ronaldo hasn't played. And yet, almost all the reporting has been about Cristiana Ronaldo. So, yeah, it's a really unfortunate situation. He's released this long statement, like you said. But to be perfectly honest, it hasn't really told us anything different than what we knew after that Norway game that does seem to be the crux of the matter that's what's led to this rift

between George Jesus and Cristiano Ronaldo the fact that he warmed up he was promised that he'd be substituted on but as George Jesus said at the end of the game the match situation really dictated that it didn't make sense

to put Christiana Ronaldo on the pitch at that time you know Portugal were winning 2-1 they were really under the cost she made more defensive substitutions and Portugal ended up winning the game. But Cristiano Ronaldo was very upset by the fact that he didn't get on and even more upset, as you alluded to in that statement, by the fact that George just did not apologise publicly for failing to bring him on. Is there any way back for him with the manager?

Because he's incredibly critical and vocal, isn't he, in that statement? Yeah, that's the million dollar question, really. It's looking quite difficult to be perfectly honest. We have to remember, of course, everyone knows Cristiano Ronaldo, a very big ego, one of the best players in the whole world, in the history of the game. You can say he's earned the right to have that ego. Perhaps what people outside of Portugal don't know so well is that George Jesus himself is a manager with a huge ego.

So, you know, a lot of people said this was just a matter of time. this would always, it would always come to this, the clash of these two big egos. And yeah, the, you know, the words go into and from, especially from Cristiano Ronaldo, I have to say, he just seems to almost be burning his bridges with Georgesus. That said, everybody in Portugal, I think even the people who perhaps don't like Ronaldo so much, recognise that what he's done for Portugal, what he's done for Portuguese football over so long, what is done for actually just the name of the country itself, you know, just means he really, you know, he can't go out like this. This can't be the ending. So you would have thought that,

you know, some kind of compromise will be met and they'll have some kind of testimonial in the future. But right at this moment, it's looking quite, you know, like a risk that cannot be reconciled. Yeah, Tom, where does this end for both George Hesuz and Christian. Ronaldo. For people who don't know, George Hesuz was actually manager of Al Nassar last season when they won the Saudi Arabian League for the first time since Cristiano Ronaldo was there.

He was his manager at Al Nasser in their successful title winning season. So there was a relationship there between the two of them. I mean, what's George Hesuz now? He's 72 years of age is managed at some of the top European clubs and all around the globe. And he's got a reputation, as you say, he really doesn't care who he upsets

and he will do what he think is right by the team and to get the results. So there's two very, very big characters here going head to head, isn't there? Yeah, you're absolutely right. And it's really quite remarkable. I mean, you're absolutely right to bring that up about Al Nass said. So I was at the pre-match press conference before the very first Nations League game against Wales a couple of weeks ago. That was a very unusual press conference because they held it during the Portugal Football Summit.

So it was in a big arena and there was about 200. or 300 people in the room. And there was Georges-Jus, sat next to Cristiano Ronaldo, and they were very good humour, they were laughing, they were joking. Like I say, it was a very unusual pre-match press conference, but everything seemed hunky-dory. So it was really amazing how quickly this has deteriorated, you know, and their relationship has broken up.

About your question, you know, where does this leave George, Jesus? He said, I think, after the second game against Norway. and it's absolutely right. Now, what does a manager really need to have authority? You know, he isn't doing this to try and gain authority, all the players respect him a lot. What a manager needs is victories.

Portugal won four games out of four. They played some of their best football they've played for years. You know, there's been some opinion polls here in Portugal, and basically the vast majority of people are 75, 80%, depending on which opinion poll you read. are backing George Jesus. They don't want him to lose his job over this. So to answer your question very clearly,

I don't think George Jesus is going anywhere. This is going to be interesting, isn't it? Who knows how this one plays out? Tom Kunda, thank you so much for joining us. Well, that's all we've got time for and what's been a very successful evening once again for England. So a big thank you to all of our guests

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