Football Daily - Karel Prince: Lie Detector - Fraizer Campbell

Episode Date: August 12, 2026

This week, former Manchester United, Sunderland, Cardiff City and Huddersfield Town striker Fraizer Campbell submits three stories from his career, but only one is true. Was Campbell really caught up ...in a police helicopter pursuit after taking a wrong turn through the city centre? Did he secretly climb out of a hotel window to collect chicken and chips on the eve of a Championship playoff final? Or did he ignore manager Steve Bruce's instructions and sneak off to Las Vegas for 48 hours with team-mate Titus Bramble during an international break? Armed with photographs, football knowledge and a healthy dose of suspicion, Karel and Anita investigate every claim before Campbell returns to reveal the truth. Karel Prince: Lie Detector is presented by Karel Prince and Anita Abayomi and is a Sport Social Studios production for BBC Sounds. Credits  Series Producer: Matt Tasker  Technical Producer: Tom Hinckley  Executive Producer: Jim Salveson  Photography: Tom Barker  Artwork: James Mobbs  Original Theme Music: WIZZFX  Commissioning Executive for BBC: Stevie Middleton  Assistant Commissioner for the BBC: Steve Trenchard

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Starting point is 00:00:36 Yes, people, it's Coral Prince here. And Anita, buy me. We are the resident fact checkers here at the BBC. Every week we'll be bringing you three stories from ex-professional footballers. Two will be lies, one would be the truth. And using our detective and analytical skills, we will be trying to figure out which is the truth and which is the lie. Anita, are you ready to help me out? Yes, I am.
Starting point is 00:01:04 Let's get into it. F. FC Football Club I'm trying to think of any footballers with an issue of FC Federico Keezer Oh, that's a good one What would he be on the investigation for?
Starting point is 00:01:17 Why he didn't Why he barely played Under Arnie slot FC FC, FC Frank Conner Frank Conner's Frank Connors? Is that someone? Do you know what?
Starting point is 00:01:26 Do you know what really grinds my gear is people with two first names Frank and Connor Like a John Terry? Do you know, yeah Yeah That really grand my ears Who's another one that's got two
Starting point is 00:01:35 You must know a lot of first double first name. No, I ignore them. I literally erase them from my memory. What about the people that have a first name, but they don't use their first name, but they actually use their middle name? I use my middle name.
Starting point is 00:01:46 So Anita is not your first name. Anita is my middle name. Ah, yes. Because that Harry Maguire, Harry's not his first name. What's his first name? Jacob Harry Maguire. Jacob Harry Maguire. I'm pretty sure it.
Starting point is 00:01:57 Should we VR that? Do you want to use your ancient computer? Born Jacob Harry Maguire? Yeah, yeah, it's Jacob Harry Maguire. And then Joe Hartson, first name's not Joe either. Joe Hart is just such an unbelievable name to begin with His first name is Charles Joseph John Hart That's his name
Starting point is 00:02:12 Charles Joseph John Charles Joe Mr Hart I know we're under the same umbrella right now If you want to come here and explain Why you have three first names Bro
Starting point is 00:02:25 You let us know Like we will happily have you on this table We'll sit on this side and we can have a chat You can have a real chat about that Three first names That's crazy Easy. Okay, as someone who uses their middle name, yes. When you went to school,
Starting point is 00:02:40 yes. Did you submit Anita as the name that you wanted to be called? Yeah, that's how it works. Or did you have to tell them, don't call me what's on the register, middle name? No, I literally submitted Anita as my first name. So wait, I could have gone to school. If my mum so choose, they could have just called me Max Power. Do you know what? You look like a Max Power with your blonde hair, to be fair. It would suit me, isn't it? A Max Power, like, it's a full name.
Starting point is 00:03:02 Very Congolese. Max Power is also a football. baller. Who does Max Power play for? He played for Wiggin. Oh. Or plays for Wiggin. I don't know if he's still there.
Starting point is 00:03:11 I can check for you right now. Go on. But the first time I heard the name Max Power, which is why this, yeah, he still plays for Wiggin. He also played for Bradford. He played for Wiggin before again. Sunderland. That's such a cool name. Max Powell.
Starting point is 00:03:27 But where I first heard it was in The Simpsons. Homer Simpson changed his name to Max Power. And it just stuck with me. So when I saw a footballer called Max Power, I was a footballer. I couldn't forget him Max power Do you know what It's such a good name though
Starting point is 00:03:39 I like that Max power It's got double meaning Yeah man You mean anything as well Where does Max Power play Midfield Is it midfielder
Starting point is 00:03:45 Ah Max power In the engine room Max power Maximum power Maximum power I mean That's an MP That's not really an FC
Starting point is 00:03:54 But I think that goes to show We don't have many I almost forgot about the initials On our case files FC What? Ingram manager
Starting point is 00:04:02 Fabio Capello Oh my days, Fabio Capello, Postman Pat. God forbid we had Fabio Cabello's vials in our hands. Stories he'd have to tell about that England squad would be monumental. Have you heard the story of David Bentley and Jimmy Bullard sneaking out of one of his camps to go get McDonald's? Let's say for fun that I didn't.
Starting point is 00:04:25 Tell the audience, what was the story? I think we should leave that to Mr. Bentley or Bullard to come and tell us that story. But I know they said that they left somehow snuck out of the camp to go get. I don't know how you sneak out of the campway. Should we find out who FC is? Yeah, let's give it a go.
Starting point is 00:04:40 Ah, Fraser Campbell. Fraser Lee Campbell. He's a Lee Campbell. Fraser Lee Campbell. You know what's funny about Fraser Campbell? Go on. I met him earlier this year. Okay, how was that?
Starting point is 00:04:51 At a birthday party. A Premier League Champions birthday party. Oh. Tell us more. Corral, what? Your stories? Tell us more. Forget your three stories.
Starting point is 00:05:01 Forget your free stories, Fraser. Yeah, no, I met him at Danny Simpson, we won the league with Lester. He played with him at United. I met him at his birthday party. And weirdly enough, he just spent the whole, every time he saw me that night, he spent the whole night saying, don't tax me, don't tax me. So Wynne's file is sitting here in front of me and he submitted free videos for me to review.
Starting point is 00:05:23 He wants to get taxed, man. I'm not a fan of that approach. Hey, listen, it's all message me privately. It's all mind games. It's all mind games. It's all mind games. It's all mind games. It's mind games.
Starting point is 00:05:33 Man games. But yeah, I've followed his career closely. Okay. Obviously, was that Man United. Yes. After he started. I actually went to Spurs on loan in 0809. Do you know why he went to Spurs on loan?
Starting point is 00:05:43 Tell me why. Because Dimitar Burbatov went the other way to Manchester United on Deadline. So they needed to replace a striker at last minute and they got Fraser Campbell. Good old Berbertov. Where does Fraser Campbell rank against Berbertoff? I'll take Fraser Campbell. Over Berbertov. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:58 I've never met Dimmatar Bervitov in my life. You haven't met Bervito? I've met Bervatov. Was he cool? He's amazing. He's the funniest guy. Did he show you his first touch? No, unfortunately, it was at a Beyonce concert.
Starting point is 00:06:08 You met Dimitar, Burbitov at a Beyonce concert. I've got pictures. What? I met him at a Beyonce concert. I think his wife dragged him there. I guess whilst I met at the Beyonce concert in the same area, Marez. Marz and his girl.
Starting point is 00:06:23 I believe that. I believe that. Yeah. Literally, it was like a simulation for me. I was like, hold on, Burbatov. I swear down. And I told him, like, your first touch is a, How do you move like how you move when you're this tall?
Starting point is 00:06:36 He's massive by the way. He's taller than you. Massive. Six foot, four, something. I'm taller than that for the viewers. I know I'm sat down. Don't let me stand up on camera. If I stand up, I'll be like, you know in Tom and Jerry,
Starting point is 00:06:49 the woman that's in Tom and Jerry that you can't see a face. That's how tall I'll be on camera. Don't give Dimitar ideas as well to start messing with me because. I'm telling you, he's a tall and he's so friendly. I can imagine. Yeah. The crazy thing is, I can't imagine Dimitari. I'm notar Beavitov at Beyonce.
Starting point is 00:07:05 This is throw me off. I promise you he was there and he loved the show. He absolutely loved it. I will show you the pictures. I've got the proof. I'm not a liar. I'm telling you. No, I believe you.
Starting point is 00:07:15 I believe you. Thank you. You should have just thrown something at him just to see his first touch. I'll be honest with you. And next time, maybe he'll come on a show. Who knows? But back to Fraser Campbell. Dimitar, if you're watching, you let us know.
Starting point is 00:07:25 You talk a lot about Dimitar's first touch. What about Fraser Campbell's? Fraser Campbell, I think he was a very good striker. I mean, yes, did he put out the look at the look. levels that Dimitar did. No, but sometimes that's opportunity, you know. No, I like I love, got a lot of time for Fraser Campbell. Okay.
Starting point is 00:07:39 Let's look at the case files then. Las Vegas, Nevada. That is a really weird picture to put in here. There's always a post-season trip to. Exactly. This might be spicy. Whoa. Whoa.
Starting point is 00:07:52 Is that a police officer? Is he getting arrested? Arrested. It's giving GTA. This is so crazy. What did you do to have a car and a helicopter? He's got five stars. He's got four.
Starting point is 00:08:03 five stars. All right, that is... That's interesting. Do you know what you have to do to get a helicopter on you? You're going to get the choppers on you? Hit the parkies, laughing. If you know, you know.
Starting point is 00:08:15 If you know, you know. But do you remember? Some of these pictures might be... Some of these pictures might be doctored. You know, AI generated. No, but it could just be to show what the time was like, in it. It's still an AI generated picture.
Starting point is 00:08:28 Oh, yeah. Put that against him. You got Fraser Cambo at Sunderland. He looks so young. I can't lie. No, no offense, Fraser, you know I love you, but your trim looks better now than they did back then. That is, I don't know who was your barber and son.
Starting point is 00:08:40 That's terrible. Back then, were you actually getting trims every single week, though? Cost they were. Have you saw some of the trims that guys were getting, like, in the late 2000s, early 2010? No, but the amount of patterns and stuff. They would get their hair dyed or let the pattern, like grow out and stuff.
Starting point is 00:08:56 You weren't getting trims every single week. Like, I'm looking at the England camp this summer, right, for the World Cup. They're getting their hair braided every single. week. It's unbelievable. Yeah, but do you know how many cameras are on them? Mate, but I'm saying back in the day, they weren't doing that. Yeah, because like, what? If you're not playing that Stamford Bridge, Anfield, Old Trafford,
Starting point is 00:09:13 you're barely getting a highlight on match of the day. So you don't need to get a trim. Now, you can watch 90 minutes of every match, and there's about 75 cameras in the stadium, zooming in on you. There's 85 photographers at the game. You've got a post on the gram after the game. You know, if you lose, the fans are amazing.
Starting point is 00:09:30 Sorry about the result. You win. Fans are amazing. Well done for the result. You score, I've got best believe if you score five posts. So you got to have a trim. So what you're saying, Fraser didn't get no airtime. Your words are mine.
Starting point is 00:09:42 You might have been in a gold drought at that point. I don't know. Your word's not mine. And your favourite meal, chicken and chips. Firstly, okay, let's unpack why you said that's my favourite meal. Let's unpack that because I can't remember the last time I had chicken and chips. So let's talk about it. But even way, a box of chicken and chips, I'll be honest, I just, I need to.
Starting point is 00:10:03 to hear about this. Yeah, because surely that's not in his diet. He was a Premier League footballer. Yeah, but like, Usain Bolt ate nuggets at the Olympics. Usain Bolt is a different kettle of fish, mate. He's just different league. No, he is, you know. And also, he's only got a run for nine seconds.
Starting point is 00:10:19 You know, I used to see Usain Bolt a lot, you know. You know, if you're in Manchester at any point in the year, you'll meet Usain Bolt. Is it the Usain Bolt or is it someone that looks like Usain Bolt? No, it is Usain Bolt. Because he's a Man United fan. Yeah. He comes over a lot to watch.
Starting point is 00:10:33 watch Manchester United. Have you met him? Yeah, I've met him. Several times. It's to the point where like, it's no longer, wow, you're saying, but it's like, oh, it's you saying. How you say. I don't know him, but it's like, you feel like you know him because you see him that much.
Starting point is 00:10:45 I saw him. I saw him race a random woman in the streets. Did a woman run? Of Manchester. I saw him race a random woman. Who won? Come on, man. Let's not disrespect the goal.
Starting point is 00:10:55 I need to be sure. I need to be sure. You think she won in her barefoot after taking the heels off against a triple. A triple Olympic champion. You will never know. I think I could take him on. In what? All right, let's get into the case file.
Starting point is 00:11:10 Fraser Campbell. Anyway, Fraser has been kind enough to send us over some clips. I want to know about Vegas. I want to know about chicken and chips. I want to know about the handcuffs. If that's all one story, I'm scared. That would be the best story we've ever had. Right.
Starting point is 00:11:26 Clip number one. Let's roll the tapes. What's Fraser got to say? Sorry, before I press play, go on. be wary of the fact that he's a Yorkshireman so he's got the... You're warning me about the accent.
Starting point is 00:11:37 I wasn't prepared for it when I first met him. I was fought him from like Manchester or London. I like a Yorkshire accent. I'm fine. Yes, Karel. It's Kareseh. I told you he knows him. See how he said my name?
Starting point is 00:11:49 He knows him. He says yes, Karel. I've got a few stories for you. I'm going to put your lie detector sensors to the test. So here we go. First story I've got for you is When I was up at Sunderland, I was involved in a police helicopter chase, unbeknown to me.
Starting point is 00:12:09 I was driving through the city centre in Newcastle, and I took a turn down the wrong street. So anyway, I'm driving home, and then I was in the car with my friend, and we noticed there's helicopters. It was like, oh, I wonder where that helicopter's going. Must be chasing someone. Next minute. Six police cars. surrounded my car pulled me up
Starting point is 00:12:32 and it was me that I'd have to because I turned the wrong way down the street and he was in the Sunderland Echo the next day I got a bit in trouble with my manager at the time Can we just write this one off
Starting point is 00:12:45 immediately? Can we write it off? There's absolutely no way this is real. There's no way and it weren't on the live news it weren't on BBC at all there is no way
Starting point is 00:12:58 Yes Premier League footballer gets chased by the cops with a helicopter in the sky I don't think he even got chased By the time he realised there was a helicopter on him There was cars around him And there were handcuffs See no you're gonna make me sound like I'm distressed people
Starting point is 00:13:12 But is that national news That is something that would be on the national news But okay, right let me think of it right Go on So he's saying it happened Because he turned the wrong way down the street Yes That does happen
Starting point is 00:13:23 That does happen But it potentially could have happened In a case where Okay he's rich Okay He's driving a certain car Yes And that car might have been target
Starting point is 00:13:34 Like in terms of The vehicle is like the type of vehicle For someone else that was a criminal I heard that the police I'm more likely to pull you over If you make a left turn When they're behind you That's what I've heard
Starting point is 00:13:44 Based on what Apparently the left turn is an easier turn To make So if you make a right turn Then it's like you're not trying to avoid the police But if you make a left turn You're just making the first left turn That you see
Starting point is 00:13:54 Because it's the easiest thing to do Oh yeah Because we're on the left side of the road Yeah Apparently, that's what I've heard. Yeah, but I'm trying to think, like, what the context. Because he said specifically is because he turned down the wrong road. He probably took the left turn, the first left turn that he saw.
Starting point is 00:14:09 And the sirens probably went off by down. Yeah, but he said the helicopter was above him before he clocked. There was any police cars. And there was six of them. Maybe he went down the left turn a bit too fast. You know these footballers? They drive like Ferraris, labiginis, etc. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:22 The car probably went a bit too fast. But then you would just say, oh, I was speeding or I was doing this. Like, you said it's because you went down the wrong road. Well, he might have just tried to, you know, make it sound a little bit more believable. I don't know. I feel like he's trying to make himself sound like Dominic Touretto. Like, what's going on? Yeah, fast and furious, babe.
Starting point is 00:14:36 You know what I mean? I'm not too sure in this one. Okay. We can put that in the maybe, Kyle. I'm not too sure on this one, but I'm ready to hear the second one and see what that's all about. All right. Because I believe there's going to be more credible sounding stories. The murder of Tupac Shakit.
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Starting point is 00:16:04 and all the legal analysis. To get all the updates, listen and subscribe on BBC Sounds or wherever you get your podcasts, so you never miss an episode. Okay, let's do it. The second story of Gotfiel is that before we played Bristol City in the playoff final, me and my roommate, Caleb Fallon, wanted something extra than the playoff. pre-matched standard meal. So we ordered the Just-Eat to the hotel.
Starting point is 00:16:37 But they couldn't come to the reception, obviously. So I had to climb out a window down the road and get the chicken and chips. Yeah, I didn't tell anyone. Not told anyone until this day, actually. So they snuck out to have chicken and chips. But he said he climbed out the window? Sorry a second.
Starting point is 00:16:53 Hold on a second. Wait, wait, wait, wait. If this is 2008... Okay. How are you getting to Just Eat? You're cooking. You're cooking. Google when JustEat was open. Google it.
Starting point is 00:17:06 I don't think I need to do that. What phones were even up? Just Eat. Ooh, I think Justin was around. Yeah, if you rang up the local takeaway and said, you'll deliver some food, that's one thing. But I Just Eat. Just Eat might have just been around, potentially.
Starting point is 00:17:18 Let's have a look. Just Eat was found in 2001. Okay. Hold on. There you go. So you order food. Yeah. You order it for an app.
Starting point is 00:17:25 Yeah. But do you remember ordering food before the apps were out? I used to use. is one of those leaflet things that come through the post. Exactly. With the number on it. Yeah. Or like you'd call your local Pizza Hut or you do, Domino's or whatever, your take, their Chinese takeaway.
Starting point is 00:17:39 But at the same time, I wasn't old enough to know that there was a just-eat around them times either. In my life, maybe because my parents are African, yeah. So maybe he's got a different youth or like adolescence, right? Mm-hmm. My parents never used online to order food. Yeah, because our parents would go into the kitchen and cook. No.
Starting point is 00:17:58 When my mom wanted pizza, she would ring up pizza art and say, she's like the super supreme from pizza art. Okay. And we'd have that sometimes. Yeah. So it was never, oh, you go to the place. Like, so I'm thinking, when you say, and even when you say, oh, just eat and then you go down the road to get it.
Starting point is 00:18:16 Yeah. I'm like, does that even? I'm sure back in the day you can go on that website, literally type in what you want, call them up, and then go to the restaurant to pick it up. I'm pretty sure that was a thing. Okay. I'm trying to think, okay, 2008,
Starting point is 00:18:33 whole Dean Winda scored the winner to send him to the Premier League. Playoffs. Playoffs. Championship. I remember that. Okay. So, okay, let's say plausibly. Okay.
Starting point is 00:18:43 That he can get the food. He can't get it delivered to the reception. Okay. Do you believe that he hopped out the window and went down the road to collect it, then came back in and hop through the window again? Absolutely not. So, even if you're not. So if he's jumping out of window to go down the road,
Starting point is 00:18:59 there's two things that can happen here, which would be the most pointless things to happen before arguably the biggest game of your career at that point. Go on. One, you can get injured. Oh, mate. May. Listen, I don't know when you guys are seeing this,
Starting point is 00:19:14 but I saw what happened to Jordan Henderson just trying to go over a little thing. And you were celebrating. Yeah, and you're hopping over out of window to go down the road. Secondly is, if you get caught, you could lose your place in the team. Yeah, that's true. true as well. You can be dropped out the squad. There's too many risks. Too many risks. And I'm saying would you do that for one chicken and chip the night before, playwright? You don't even know if the chicken and chip is top quality. It's not even your area. So I don't know if you're doing all
Starting point is 00:19:38 that. But again, we've had the car where there's plausibility in it, but we don't know if the helicopter's wild. You'd actually go down the wrong road and have six cars, five star wanted rating for that. Yeah. I've done worse things on GTA and not being pulled the same way he got poured. Exactly. And then we've got this which is it could be plausible depending how much of a big back he is but I don't know if I believe it on that level. Right, let's play the third clip. Let's go into the third one. Let's roll a tape and see this one might be the one that smells right. There we go. Smells like that good chicken and chips that he apparently ate. And the third story I've got here is
Starting point is 00:20:16 when I was up at some of them again, it was an international break and Steve Roos had told us that you know he didn't want us going away on trips outside of the country. You could go see your family and whatnot. But my good friend, Tyke's Bramble, had the idea that we should go to Vegas. So, secretly, we, and this was before Instagram and all that stuff. You could get away with things, see, so we ended up a cheeky little 48 hours in Vegas. Yeah, you never found out.
Starting point is 00:20:51 Hmm 40 hours in Vegas And no one found out Plausible It is Closable I think this is the one that sounds The most true
Starting point is 00:21:03 But who goes to Who goes to Vegas for two days A lot of people Really? A lot of people More people than you think Yes Yes
Starting point is 00:21:12 Is it worth the jet lag Yes That thrill and the adrenaline That you get from going to Vegas For just 48 hours Or 40 hours It is unobes unmatched. So I kind of believe that that happened.
Starting point is 00:21:24 I'm trying to think. He said before the Instagram era, which was obviously false because Instagram, I think, was founding in 2010. And he was in Sunday, 2009 to 2013. Yeah. Steve Bruce was there 2009 to 2011. Yeah, like, if we say before Instagram, like, we mean before everything. I think it means before everything was really blown up and serious. Titus Bramble. I've heard a lot of stories about tightest.
Starting point is 00:21:51 Bramble. Well, he's heard. Just on different podcasts, it seems like he probably would have that kind of idea to make that happen. This is one. But the phrase that I met is an older phrase of that. It's more of a family man phrase. Everyone is a family man to you, Corral.
Starting point is 00:22:06 Just let it go. People have a past. That's true. I've said a lot of people. No, no, no, but I was going to say, I was going to say, yeah, but obviously we're talking about like 2010, right? Exactly. So I'm saying the one I met is like an older version.
Starting point is 00:22:19 Yeah. that he's in his late 30s. So I couldn't really picture what he was like back then because I didn't know him. But I would, I think this one is. This one sounds too good to be true. Do you know what I mean? It feels too easy.
Starting point is 00:22:33 I don't, I don't know because I think those are kind of escapades people to pull. But it feels too easy. To say. Yeah. Okay, but then, okay, what's more plausible? You take a wrong turn. You have six cars on you and a helicopter.
Starting point is 00:22:46 But, man, this is also in Sunderland while he's at Sunderland. A lot of things happened up there. Fraser. I need three more stories about Sunderland because I know that seems like a kid. I know. Then you've got hopping out of a window before a player final.
Starting point is 00:23:00 That one we were right in that one off. Chicken and chips. Yeah, we're writing that one. And the third one is going to Vegas for 48 hours. Which sounds like the most unbelievable but in context sounds the most believable. It sounds the most believable. It doesn't sound an intro.
Starting point is 00:23:12 Like I don't have a doubt that that would be not real. Apart from the fact that it's too easy. Okay. So let's lock in for a second. Okay. Let's lock in a second. The car chase, which didn't even sound like a chase.
Starting point is 00:23:26 Yes. Where are you ranking that? That sounded like a scene out of GTA, so I'm ranking that as the least believable. Less like he than the chicken and chips. Oh, this is hard. This is difficult. Okay, chicken and chips, the least likely
Starting point is 00:23:39 because it's before a playoff game. There's no way. But then, oh. I feel like we're overthinking it. There's nerves and like nerves, excitement. The wives do not make you climb out of a window before one of the most important games of your life. Yeah, because I would have said like if it was like a superstition of his or something,
Starting point is 00:23:56 like, oh, I always had like chicken and chips before a big game or something. He would have said it. He would have said it. Because he's like, oh, nobody knows I ate chicken and chips before the player final after 16, 16, oh, no, wait, how many years? 18 years after it happened. Like, ooh, I had chicken and chip. I'd be running around saying, do you know what?
Starting point is 00:24:14 Yeah, we got promoted a day before I was eating chicken and chips. Like you were saying Bolt did. Why would you not brag about that if it paid off? You would keep it to yourself if you lost because you don't want anyone to know that you did something to ill-prepared for it. But it would be like saying, imagine saying like, oh, I went partying for three days before a big game and I scored a hat trick, which, as we know with my history,
Starting point is 00:24:34 someone says that they're probably lying. Yeah, we know. All the hat-trick. We know. Samueletto will lie about a hat-trick, I'll tell you that for three. Oh, yeah, for sure. And you'll tell you that he left games at half-time. to go on holiday but that's neither here nor there.
Starting point is 00:24:50 I'm thinking that that didn't happen because you would tell the story. And I don't think the GTA scene happened. But I do believe that in 2010, 11, somewhere between 2009 and 2011, I feel like with international break, as we always see in off-season, especially the ones that don't go and play. Yeah. Like you've seen the trend nowadays, it's like they go to Dubai for a few days and stuff like that. I don't think it's out the realm of possibility that in 2009 to 11th, especially, you know,
Starting point is 00:25:17 and wherever that period would have been that you could go on that trip. It's a mad trip to do because of the time it is to get there and back. I feel like I'm looking too deeply into this. But I'm going to go with your lead on this, Corral. I think I think the Vegas one is the one. Is that what you think? We can do it.
Starting point is 00:25:34 We can lock in, shake hands. If I'm wrong, though, I'm going to have words with Fraser, man. All right. So Fraser's been kind enough to send us the real answer, the reveal. I think all there's left to do is roll the taper. it and find out if we was right or not. If you was right or not. You went with me. We're a team.
Starting point is 00:25:52 We win and lose together. We're right. You're right. I'm rolling in the tape. So the actual true story is the speed, is the car chase in Sunderland. I didn't know. I got chased by the police in my car. I wasn't say I was speeding, but I must have lost the policeman in the city centre and he radioed on and next minute is the helicopter after us.
Starting point is 00:26:17 You should have seen some of the fans driving past, taking pictures of me, getting told off by the plays. Like I said, it was in the paper the next day, which was, you know, wasn't really, or the next week, however, the manager wasn't too happy about it. As for the other two stories, me and Caleb were roommates. We did think about getting a ticket, but we never did. We were ultimate professionals. Probably good job because we needed the energy for the playoff final. and the other story was one that someone told me. They had heard a rumor that me and Titus Bramble had gone to Vegas mid-season,
Starting point is 00:26:59 which, you know, I must have had a bit of a reputation for being a bit of a party boy because, you know, despite me being denying it and saying, no, it's not true, I would never do that. Nobody actually believe me. So, yeah, I never went to Vegas, and I never got to adjust the... before the play a final. At least we can agree on the Just-D. I've got an issue with this. So how can you say,
Starting point is 00:27:29 your story, you got pulled because you took a wrong turn. Now, when you reveal it, you say that you were speeding through the city centre and you lost the police. And the thing is, if he said the speeding part...
Starting point is 00:27:43 Exactly. It would have made sense. That would have went with it. Yeah. Because that would... He explained a helicopter firing in before the police cars did. That would have explained so much. Context was key.
Starting point is 00:27:54 I didn't realize that we were being chased or we didn't realize that the helicopter was on us because I was just speeding along. I get that. When you say, oh, it's because I took a turn. A wrong turn. I don't like that. It's a sour taste of a moment. And I thought, I thought, Frasel, I felt like I could have considered them a friend.
Starting point is 00:28:11 No, that's not your friend, honey. But he's decided to be saboteur. That is not your friend. He's not my friend. Now he's going to be texting. in these ex-pro group chats, whether it's Man United, it's Underland, hole.
Starting point is 00:28:23 Oh, I got him. The tax man's rattled. Literally. Yes, I'm rattled. Because you lied to me. Do you know what's so funny, Carol? And you're probably going to fire me for this, right? As he was speaking about the chase,
Starting point is 00:28:37 it all started to come back to me. I do remember this story. And I think it was... From where? It was national news. Listen, I know you've never read. the echo a day in your life and definitely not the day after he got pulled over. I'm sure
Starting point is 00:28:51 I'm sure this one's reported. This was definitely reported. By who? I don't know. Go on BBC News and type it in. He made an illegal left turn. He made an illegal left turn. You see what I said? No but do you know what my issue is with it? He could have said that he made the turn. Correll, we just got done. And didn't stop. Correll, no man. We got done. We got done. We got done. We got done.
Starting point is 00:29:15 Let's just accept it. enough. Fair is fair. The story is true. There's evidence. It's approved. It's all that stuff. But I feel like leaving out and putting in specific things is nasty work.
Starting point is 00:29:28 It's actually nasty work. If that's the game that we're playing, then I think we need to lock in a bit more and understand that these people can still be muddying the truth. Yes. Within the truth. Yes. So it's true. But is it true?
Starting point is 00:29:43 But is it true? Is it true? Fraser, we'll have words anyway You know, you know where to find me I know where to find you You don't need to send me an owl I've got your details I'm upset I'm upset
Starting point is 00:29:55 It's alright Because we've had a stinker We've had a stinker I don't think it's our fault It's not our fault It's not our fault We'll put this one in the bank Guys I'm only human
Starting point is 00:30:03 I'm only human I just wear a trench coat Just wrap it on Yes Fraser You win I want to thank Anita for your assistants today You've been great
Starting point is 00:30:13 I know I want to thank Fraser, top guy, top fellow, you know, when I met him, he was lovely guy, honestly. Honestly, I didn't even know, I didn't realize it was him at first. Like, I knew he looked like him. But when he introduced himself, I was like, bro, it's Fraser Campbell. And he was genuinely, all night, the nicest guy. Love that.
Starting point is 00:30:31 Life of the party as well. He loves a good dance. But he remembered, he always had in the back of his head, I need to get home to the family. And I like a guy that's like that. Family man. I also want to thank you guys who are watching and listening from wherever you are in the world.
Starting point is 00:30:44 If there's anyone that you think has slipped the net, needs investigating, needs are analytical and detective skills. Don't judge us by today. And I'm going to use a quote from Wolf of Wall Street. Go on. Don't judge me by my wins. Judge me by my losses because I have so few. If you believe in me, you believe in us, me and Anita.
Starting point is 00:31:07 Make sure to reach out to us. Social media. Email. I will. and like I always say the owl is a Oh my gosh Excuse me
Starting point is 00:31:18 Can you let me lie Sorry sorry sorry The owl is an effective form of communication It was just outdated By the technological age Attach it to the owl's ankle Say my name And it will find the trench
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