Football Daily - MNC: Arsenal winning ugly, Chelsea’s reds & expanded VAR

Episode Date: March 2, 2026

Chris Sutton, Rory Smith and Nedum Onuoha join Mark Chapman to discuss Arsenal edging closer to the Premier League title with another two goals from corners in their win over Chelsea.They discuss Chelsea’s costly discipline problems after Pedro Neto took their tally of red cards to nine for the season. Motherwell midfielder Andy Halliday reflects on the weekend’s Old Firm derby draw, what it means for Scottish Premiership leaders Hearts and the impact Jens Berthel Askou has had at Fir Park this season.And former Premier League assistant referee Darren Cann explains the expanded role video assistant referees will have at this summer’s World Cup to review incorrectly awarded corners and second yellow cards. Timecodes: 01:36 – Arsenal winning ugly 22:19 – Chelsea’s ill discipline 32:45 MID 32:55 – Scottish title race with Andy Halliday 49:38 – VAR's expanded role at the 2026 World Cup with Darren CannCommentaries this week: Tuesday 3rd March PL: Wolves v Liverpool 2015 KO - 5 LIVE PL: Leeds v Sunderland 1930 KO - SPORTS EXTRA PL: Everton v Burnley 1930 KO - SPORTS EXTRA 2 PL: Bournemouth v Brentford 1930 KO - SPORTS EXTRA 3 WWCQ: Ukraine v England 1700 KO - SPORTS EXTRA WWCQ: Czech Republic v Wales 1730 KO - SPORTS EXTRA 2Wednesday 4th March PL: Brighton v Arsenal 1930 KO - 5 LIVE PL: Manchester City v Forest 1930 KO - SPORTS EXTRA PL: Aston Villa v Chelsea 1930 KO - SPORTS EXTRA 2 PL: Fulham v West Ham 1930 KO - BBC SPORT WEBSITE PL: Newcastle United v Manchester United 2015 KO - SPORTS EXTRA 3 THEN 5 LIVE AFTER BRIGHTON V ARSENALThursday 5th March PL: Tottenham Hotspur v Crystal Palace 2000 KO - 5 LIVE

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Monday night club. Actually, in the studio with me is, you're not at home. I'm not at home, which means you can't advertise your books behind you, so that's good. I thought you might bring them and just put them on one on each shoulder. Ever since I had that dream a few weeks ago that Nadom was refusing to work with me and now can't get rid of you. You're not working all the time with me. I apologize for that, yeah, sorry, Chuffles. And Chris, you look, where are you, Chris? I'm in I'm in Scotland. Okay. I'm in Glasgow, yeah.

In a dark room? Yeah, but yeah, I had no say in this. I just go where I'm told. Okay. I can't do anything about the lighting. I mean, look, I know you. So it looks like it has to be fair. I know.

Turn a light switch job? Yeah, you can turn the lights on, Chris. I mean, you know, you've upset my family with that attack on the room, on the lounge, which I normally do Monday nightclub in. You've upset my wife and even my children. Chris, that was five years. come on. It was five years ago. Yeah, but we hold grudges

in Norfolk for a long, long time. But I can't do anything about this. I get that criticism. Okay, all right. So Chris has just got a spotlight on him at the moment in a room in Glasgow. We have got an awful lot to get into.

I mean, Chris, I'm going to start with you on Arsenal, Chelsea, only because you say that I upset your family. You seem to have upset a lot of Arsenal fans. Well, just a bit of context. It was a six or six trail. We don't do, we don't do context, do we?

And so there was a bit of a tongue in cheek if Arsenal win the Premier League, which I think they will do. I threw out there that, you know, would they be the ugliest team ever to win the Premier League? I didn't expect it to go on the BBC Sport website. We just wanted a few calls. That was the context. To be fair, yeah, in black and white on a web page, it doesn't get quite as much. You don't get quite the context of you saying it, do you really?

No, and I only, I didn't look at social media for long, but I just, yeah, I mean, suffice to say, that wasn't a popular comment with Arsenal fans who called me a lot of names. Did they? That's fine. That's fine. I'm used to it. Do you believe it at all, though, Chris? Do I believe?

Not really. I mean, the way they're, the way they're going. about it. Michael Artec has been there a while. It's all about the margins, isn't it? And it doesn't actually matter at this stage how they get over the line. Arsenal fans want a Premier League title. So I think that, I mean, I'm putting myself, you know, thinking back to when I played,

would I care if we, you know, my team won a Premier League? Blackburn did it in a bit of a different way. We had two out and out wingers, four, four two. we were quite direct streetwise at times that wasn't everybody's cup of tea but it was effective and we were good at it and it's the same it's a similar thing for Arsenal

why wouldn't they use set plays as a weapon and they're the best in the business I mean there is actually quite an interesting debate here going slightly off topic of set pieces which we will come on to of whether there is a need if you win the league to feel loved?

I'd imagine if you are winning a league apart from maybe Leicester City in recent times, you probably are not loved? Yeah, yeah. Like you are, you're not just like the average side with the same level of expectation where like if we win a couple of games this month everybody feels great. You know, we're on a run with five unbeaten.

Like the standards are very, very different. So I don't, if I was an Arsenal fan, like you kind of, well, let me put this way. I think most fans would like it when someone else apart from their own fan base gives them a bit of praise. But if you're going to win a league title, Who cares? Genuinely, who cares?

And to add to that, at this moment, they scored the most goals and they've got the best defensive record so we can call it whatever we want to call it. But functionally, that's data-wise, it's the best in the league.

Yeah, but you're all about function, Edom, aren't you? Yeah, that's my bad, yeah. That's always been your thing. It has. It has. I'm sorry. Sorry, here comes Mr. Flamboyers. I think, I think you're right,

Chappas, there is a kind of desire to equate being top with being the best in every single way, in beauty and beauty is totally subjective so you can enjoy whatever type of football you like but I've got to admit apart from

maybe a couple the second Marino Chelsea team and maybe Conte's Chelsea can't really think of a Premier League champion who have played a not particularly thrilling type of football most teams that win championships are tend to be good to watch

I mean Liverpool weren't great last year I would say there's not many who are who have been direct or obdurate or kind of relying on set plays. I think that is a legitimate criticism. And if Arsenal fans don't like that, that's fine. But I think it's at least worthy of debate.

But who were? Should we be praising Artetta, though, for, sorry, Mark. Yeah, go on. Should we be praising Mikhail Artetta? So he went into Arsenal, when was it, 2019, 20, how many years has he been there? And he has come close on a number of occasions and he hasn't got over the line. So if he kept doing the same thing and not getting over the line, we would say, well, surely he has to adapt and do something different. He's doing that this year.

And then, you know, idiotic presenters on 606 are calling it an ugly way of doing it. But it's about the margins and it's about, you know, we should be taking a hat off to Mikhail Artecda, really, for finding a way. Absolutely. I think that's absolutely true. you can admire loads of the things that Artetta has done with Arsenal, the way that he's made them almost impossible to beat, the fact that they can hurt teams in any number of ways.

Even just kind of come in second three years in a row and finding the kind of spirit and the belief to go again is amazing, they will be deserving champions, but deserving and pretty aren't synonyms, ultimately. And I think it's okay to try and separate them. And if you're an Arsenal player, you know, Ned Ami, you'd quite enjoy, I'd quite enjoy the fact that we keep scoring from set pieces

and sort of getting under other people's skin by doing it, wouldn't you? Yeah, absolutely. Like, as I say, the top of the table, they know as well when they're playing at home, their fans, they're very much on board with it. You know, there's no critique coming from their own in terms of what they're doing. And to have a threat like that is great

because they've also got threats out wide. You've got threats going through midfield. You've got people who can, say, charge up from the back and so on. So, like, it's really functional. I know I don't want to say it's really functional. They are the most consistent team in the league this year. And when you think about, for example, if they were to not win the league's out this year,

you probably mentioned because of draws, not because of losses, because they're so hard to play against. And when they do click into gear, you know, they were very... You talk about them being the highest scorers in the league. They scored 58 goals in the league. Only 16 have come from corners.

Well, yeah, and by the way, just to have a moment, are you guys the same with me with like vibes here? When the stat what came up just before Salaiba scored in terms of who the team of the second most amount set of pieces goals was, did you expect to see Tottenham two behind? No. I did not expect that at all, but then they're having a sort of different discussion around narrative

and for all those goals that Tottenham has scored, they would have had others which, you know, have nearly been goals. It's not that many goals in the grand scheme of things, but it's just because it always feels like a big deal when it's about to happen every single time doesn't matter the state of the game here's the thing here's the setup here's the ball and now here's defending on a tightrope

and attacking in a sort of less finesse type way but again if it works for you why why does it matter what it looks like on the slot spoke about set pieces today and they've scored the most from set pieces Liverpool in the Premier League haven't they set all a whole set pieces not just corners is it not this year

this calendar year sorry yeah oh was that grown he doesn't like he hates He hates years being broken down into calendar. Oh, he hates years. Yeah, he hates the redrawing and calendar. Neda. Neda will agree with me. The season is the season.

So that's how we should judge the season. That's funny of what Chris says to his tax man at the end of the financial year, which he really wasn't like. This is a season to be jolly, I'm sure. So, anyhow, back to Arnold on the slot. You have to accept it. This is about set pieces. If I watch other leagues, I don't think there's so much emphasis on set pieces. If I watch an eridivisi game, which I still do, I see goals being disallowed and fouls on goldkeepers being given.

And I think, wow, that's a big difference. He can almost hit a goalkeeper in his face. And the referee still says, just go on. Do I like it? My football heart doesn't like it. If you ask me about football, I think about the Barcelona team from 10 to 15 years ago. Every Sunday evening you were hoping they will play. Now most of the games I see in the Premier League are not for me a joy to watch.

But it's always interesting because it's so competitive. That is what makes this league great because there's so much competitiveness. Everyone can win against everyone. I think there are quite a lot of things that you could unpick there. Firstly, it being not a great weekend to say Premier League games aren't a joy to watch because there were several on Saturday, which were a real, real joy to watch. The other thing is people got bored by the Barcelona team. You've been on here being bored by the Barcelona team.

being bored by the Manchester City team of a few years ago. In a different type of boredom because the boredom of Man City was that they were their games... Boredom's boredom. Well, yeah, that's true. Bordom is boredom. I think City, the issue was that they dominated games so

much they didn't feel competitive and that again, that, when I said that, not only was I criticised by Chris, which I expect and is in many ways the reason I say stuff. But, like, city fans got cross. Because city fans want to hear, well, they want to hear people who aren't city fans saying the things that they feel about their club.

But nobody does that. Nobody gets that. United didn't get that when they won lots of leads. You didn't have Liverpool fans saying, do you know what? They are great to watch. Ultimately, if you have a perspective of, this is my team, you want to hear positive things. And people who do not have that same kind of perspective will think different things. And yet, weirdly, they're the ones accused of bias.

But anyway, I think with Arsenal, it's partly that it's the, it's the, it's the, It has felt like the season itself is being defined by set pieces. I think games like yesterday don't massively help because not only were they three goals from corners, but they were so scrappy. And they're so scrappy at a time. The cost of the players on that pitch. The cost of all the squads in the Premier League,

the amount of money we all pay to watch football live or to watch football on television. And you kind of think maybe they shouldn't be being decided by people pushing each other corners. But then that, that is a wider thing. thing, Nadeem, isn't it?

Because that, that is not a stick with which to beat our soul. That is a stick with which to beat the Premier League this season.

And honestly, we were, well, I was, you had all left at 9 o'clock last week, but I was in here

for the second half of Everton, Manchester United. It was terrible. It was, I mean, just constant for the whole of that half,

really, and what was going on at corners? Yeah, so with corners themselves, there was a point in my mind where I start to perceive the game differently and it was two years ago when this is like super niche now so maybe this is so this was Burnley against Luton oh that's the good stuff yeah yeah this is

prime time three o'clock on a Saturday everybody saw it but the cross came in and Trafford went to try and grab it and he was essentially pushed by somebody in the Luton team and then probably Gondros no no and then Morris scored and somebody had bumped Trafford yeah and within me it like, well, that's obviously a file. Everyone's like, that's obviously a file. But they checked with the VAR and they gave the goal. So fast forward to this time now. And I think the way that I see it, the more bodies you can put into the six yard box, the harder it would be for a goalkeeper to be able to find the ground to come and affect it in a positive way. And considering they're

the only person allowed to use their hands in that space, if you make them redundant, then all of a sudden all these set pieces become, it's almost like it's a game of percentages. Because say if we talk about Arsenal, a great deck on rice bowl is one that goes into the six where there are probably 10 to 12 players within five yards of it. If you're trying to defend it, you'll not be able to do it on a uncontested. If you're trying to attack it, the slightest touch could cause havoc. So it becomes percentages. Whereas I think in the past with some set pieces, because goalkeepers were protected more,

you almost had to have either somebody who was like supremely good with their headers or you had the element of creativity. And to go against what Chris said just a little bit, by the way, boredom is boredom. In some ways, I don't think it is because I think some boarders. comes from fatigue, whereas some boredom comes because I'm just not into that. And Arsenal set pieces in this form, because we've seen it so much, for some, it starts to get boring. To me, the biggest issue, and it's not just Arsenal, although they are the best at it, so they're kind of in the vanguard. When Sanchez, for the second Arsenal goal yesterday, when Sanchez claimed he was fouled, you watch the replay and you think you've not been fouled.

There is nothing wrong. I mean, there's maybe a touch on his shoulder, very briefly, a sort of gentle stroke, looked more. more pleasant than anything. Easy. But if you looked at the replay, there's about 10 other fouls going on in the box. There are players who are wrapped around each other. There's players holding shirts.

And I think there is a point at which it's okay to say, well, look, is this how we want, do we want the Premier League experience, not just Arsenal, to be, waiting for a team to get a corner, waiting a minute and a half while they load the box with bodies, Jonathan Northcroft in the Sunday Times used the term meat wall, which I think is the perfect way to describe the Premier League.

someone stores a goal and then we spend five minutes waiting for VAR to chalk it off. Is that what we want the Premier League experience to be? Can I just say if you are doing the BBC Sport Live text commentary this evening, can you just put context into... The meat wall of it. Well, well they're both the meat wall and Rory's

you know, Robert Sanchez having a stroke. The thing Chris is there are so many different things that you can unpick. Arsle set pieces are so good because they have in Declan Rye's Bacar Saka, the best deliverers of a dead ball, really, in the whole league.

Don't they? I mean, I would say 95% of the time that ball lands exactly where they expect it to land. And secondly, if we are talking about set-piece coaches, and this again is across the whole league here, and we had an email about this if I can find it, Graham in Cramlington. Everyone is quick to blame referees saying they're weak, they're allowing the mawling or whatever. What about the so-called set-piece coaches or the managers? And that is from defensive set pieces. We always go on about set piece coaches from the attacking point of view.

What about from the defensive point of view? Because at the moment, all it looks to be is just grapple and block and hopefully we'll get away with it. Yeah, I have talked about this before, I think, that, you know, we always, you know, that's like, what's his name at Aston Villa, Austin McPhee, who loves to become the center of attention

when Aston Villa get the free kick. You know, you often see him out waving his, hands, you know, in front of Una Emery, don't you? You know, trying to get players into position. But, yeah, there are, there are two sides, aren't there? And we, we praise the set piece coach

when they score goals and yet when they concede. I mean, there are, there are both sides of it. So, yeah, I mean, you know, the set piece coaches have a responsibility defensively, but, you know, they seem to sort of get, they seem to get away with not being criticized when their team concedes. But look, I'm sure every team,

works on it. But the thing you say about delivery, that's always been the case. Even back in my day, at the start of the Premier League, yeah, well, you knew and it may be predictable, but, but it's true. If delivery is in the right area and you have people who are just superior, who read the flight of the ball and can go and can go and attack it, it's unstoppable. Gabriel, how do you mark Gabriel? You know, we've seen people try and try and wrestle him, block him. If he gets a run and a leap and the ball's in the right area,

you aren't going to beat him. I don't care what anybody says. It's nigh impossible. I was having this discussion at the weekend. You can go zonal. You can go man for man. You can do whatever you want. But, you know, if you go...

Hang on. Hang on. Nobody is unbeatable in the air. Nobody. Not even the greatest headers of football were unbeatable in the air. Well, they sort of are. Well, they're not.

Well, how do you, so if, for example, when I played, if people were to go man for man, you'd work a block. A block is a very, very simple thing to do and somebody would get a run. Then if the delivery is good, you're going to score. With zonal, with zonal, if the delivery is good. And, I mean, what a lot of teams do is, you know, they use some of the smaller players to try and block and be a nuisance. and then, you know, the zonal people standing, you know, three or four lined up on the six yard line. Every team has somebody in the near post space. What has changed, I think, over the years is you don't see people on the post so much anymore, which, I mean, it's, I don't know why there is.

It isn't statistically. I actually, it's something which I haven't thought about. But if the delivery's there, Mark, I don't care what anybody says. People's ability in the air to time the jump and to read, to read. the flight of the ball. I mean, some people are just better at it than others, I'm afraid. Yeah, I do think that's fair, but I think with Arsenal, in my opinion, what makes them so good at these sometimes is that if you take your best head of the ball and put them on Gabriel, before you know it, you've left the centre of like the goal open, you know, Arsenal, from this,

just talking purely set pieces, if you go and put the focus on Gabriel and Saliba, well, who's got timber and hiccabia, who's got yocquerres, you know, sometimes, like, who's got havers, who's got even like Martinelli's in the box so we're getting first contact with some of these balls so there aren't many teams that have the makeup to go and defend against Arsenal and feel like everything is like for like that's why sometimes you'll see

like obscure people trying to mark like Gabriel and for them that's brilliant but if of a sudden I'd say the better of the ball goes elsewhere surely you just put your best header of the ball on Gabrielle no because that's what we do in pub football of course of course my bed the delivery's probably not as good though I would say that

but you tell you telling me they wouldn't work a block Mark. So you say best heifer of a ball. Sorry, Chris, I was just going to say, I don't think that Gabriel has to be the first option on every set piece. I think they've got tons of others. They've got a bunch of people who are committed to get not just the first contact, but second contact.

But that's the issue with Arsenal, isn't it? I think it's unusual, and this is said as praise before the Instagram comments roll in. Too late. It's not that they've got one player who's incredible in the air, and that's Gabrielle. And that would be enough of a threat if you've got someone who is.

And I think Chris is right. I think he's maybe not impossible to stop, but he's very difficult to stop in the air. But even if you deal with Gabrielle, you've probably got four or five others. And I think that is the difference, and that might be where Arsenal are dragging. Not dragging sounds pejorative,

but where they are shaping the way other teams are playing, that you will see teams get bigger, get stronger, kind of have more emphasis on aerial dominance, because that's what you need to do to kind of combat Arsenal, whether that's a other thing or not, I don't know. but the issue that teams have when they're facing Arsenal is that you can try and come up with a plan to deal with Gabrielle

but that necessarily leaves four or five other players who can also really hurt you in the air available. For sure. I think they deserve credit for it because I don't know if you're the same Chris, but there were tons of teams who I played for where most people couldn't care less about set pieces but instead the Arsenal side and others who are good at them, they're fully committed whether it's an attack or defence

to understanding what their jobs are and doing it 100%. So I think they do deserve credit. My only thing I would say is that while we're in this position now to where goalkeepers are essentially redundant from corners. Like the league can sort of take on the identity of being like this and defending those set pieces, it's not just going to happen at Arsenal. You can be playing against Leeds

and it's the same thing. Same idea with thrones and all across the board. We talked about this with Shea before, that it strikes me that the one thing that's not being allowed to happen is the goalkeepers are not being allowed to come out and kind of use the fact they can use their arms to combat for it. There's no space. There's no space for them. But that's... What, Rory, say that again?

The goalties can't come out anymore because there's so many bodies around them. And it was the case five years ago that as soon as there was contact on a gold keeper it was a free kick and that is too far the other way but it feels to me watching it that there is too much going on in the box in terms of wrestling

that is not an attempt to get the ball Raman's did it last week by standing he specifically said afterwards he stood behind his line that gave him some space so that he could then move into an attack I mean he still has to come through a crowd but he

he's starting with I suppose a bit of momentum as he goes through the initial bit of space rather than being crowded out. Yeah. Listen, that could work, but it depends what the setup is of the opposition. You know what I mean? Like, if it's an out-swinging corner, you've got half a chance. But if it's an in-swinger, like, I think when Arsenal played United a few weeks ago, and it was the goal from Marino, I think I counted 16 bodies in the six-yard box.

Listen, he could start in the stands if he wants, but he's not going to be able to run out and do anything about that. That's probably a bit too far. You know what I'll see. We'll see. I'll go to move it on to the Chelsea side of things. Another red card, Netto sent off. Let's hear from Liam Resignor, first of all, on Chelsea's discipline.

My job is to create a culture. It's a culture of accountability where if you make a mistake, it's okay, you hold your hands up and you make sure it doesn't happen again. But you have to hold your hands up to the original mistake. If I make the wrong team selection or I get something wrong, my job is to be accountable, and it's the same for my players in that moment. Pedro's apologize to the group. We miss him for Wednesday.

I just need to see an improvement in the behaviour now. It's not just Pedro. We've had bookings. People are speaking about dissent. We've had needless bookings in terms of fouls. If we are to improve and get to where we want to be, we have to make a conscious step now to make sure it doesn't happen again. Yes, we're a young team.

It's not an excuse. I have an outstanding team. We are a young, one of the youngest in the league, one of the youngest in Europe. The beautiful thing about, having a young team is sometimes you need to go through experiences to improve. This is a massive learning experience from my group. I do not want it to be a learning experience where we fail and what we want to achieve, but these setbacks that we are having, we have to learn from it.

Because if we do learn from them, we've proven, even in my short time here, that we can be an elite team for a long time. Do you listen to that, Nadem, and think you shouldn't really have to learn not to get sent off? I'll be honest, I have some sympathy with him for him, just because the way that they're players getting set off, like, for me personally, it feels like it's a lot, but I see teams with having more ill-discipline to take more yellow cards. I think Pedro Netto being sent off on the weekend, that doesn't feel like a normal sort of thing to me, and I'd say the same for potentially other players.

I think for the way that Chelsea play at times, with say style of pain, trying to be on the front foot winning the ball back high, like the margin of error might be small than other teams were maybe more on the back foot. But like the discipline problem rather, I say, I've just looked here, they've had, I'm just going to go a yellow card. Yeah, yeah. They've had 62 yellow cards, which is

like the fourth worst than the division. And worse than them, it's Bournemouth, Brighton and Spurs, which isn't necessarily something I would have thought of in terms of, like, discipline. Nobody, I don't think anybody, correct me if I'm wrong anybody, but I don't think anybody has said Bournemouth have got a discipline problem.

Yeah, and obviously it's because, it's because of the red cards that Chelsea have had but for me worse would be if it's like the same offender over and over like say if they had a team full of say the 25 26 Romero who's had some very

suspect red cards then I think there's more of an issue but I don't think the team overall is like a brutal physical team but it is costing them but he knows their mistakes and those players they likely won't do it again I do feel where we've done Chelsea's sort of red cards before on match

the day earlier in the season and I am slightly wary of lumping them all together because they all happen in very differing ways and different contexts so you know Robert Sanchez's

red card at Old Trafford has a very different feel to it which was for a professional foul than say Liam Delap at Wolves in the League Cup where he did leave a bit on a wolf sent half, which again is different to Malo Gusto

getting a second yellow card very late on at Nottingham Forest, when they were comfortably going to win. So I sort of feel at times it's a little bit unfair to lump up, they've got a massive discipline issue, when it's not like they're just going around kicking lumps out of people and getting sent off for that.

Yeah, and Nedden's right that there'll be an element of the high-press teams run more risks of getting more yellow cards, as that would, well, that's what unites. Bournemouth and Brighton, Spurs are kind of a rule into themselves at the moment, but they are the high-pressing teams. You can see them getting a lot of yellows. Chelsea following that mould, I guess.

I suppose the point where inexperience comes in is that when you are on a yellow, it's knowing the extent to which you have to modify your game so you don't risk it in the second one. And I think that is maybe the difference that all teams get... Premier League players are, the inexperienced age thing is just utter guff, isn't it, really? But I suppose that's the difference to me is that all... teams get red cards. So that Sanchez won was, I was there and it was it was unnecessary and that like the cool rational logical decision there is to let the player take the shot and stay on the pitch. It was the 13th minute or

something I think but where Chelsea kind of building up the numbers where they're kind of getting the extra red cards is in those moments where players like Netto aren't aren't thinking I've got to I'm on a yellow I've got to sort of modify my behavior and that maybe is why they've got more than you than we would expect. I mean, it's not on Liam Rossignor, though, is it? I mean, you know, most of them are on Enzo Moreska. I think he mentioned that listening to him.

He mentioned Moreska's name and said he wasn't going to blame him and then basically did. But in terms of NETO, I mean, Netto's not 18 or 19 where you can maybe excuse it as youthful exuberance. He's 25. I mean, his second challenge, was just idiotic, especially in such a short space of time after, you know, it's just been booked.

I mean, that was such an easy decision. Do you take Reese James's point, though, Chris, every time it's someone different, it's not the same player. So internally, we need to review and keep improving. It is a problem. 11 against 10 is even harder in the toughest league in the world. It's not like one player you sit down and go. No, I know what you're saying, but then.

You can't, you know, collectively, it just is a problem because they don't want to be in that position. So surely it's something which they, I would assume, I might be wrong, but surely is something that they have discussed. And it's not really, it's not really difficult to, you know, to get to the bottom of it. I mean, Netto, you know, you've made the point they're all different. And I agree with that. But you can't, you can't excuse what Netto did. you know absolutely but it's something they're just they are they are shooting themselves in the foot aren't they or they have done with it with you know Liam rosenger's gone in now and and

people are talking about well he must he has to get the top four place um i think steve crossman said last night he has to get a top four place otherwise will he be under pressure and you're thinking well it's not that's not helping Liam rassignia is it this this situation so he's talking about accountability but the place You say as a young, inexperienced squad, they are old enough to know better, I'm afraid. If you were in Pedro Netto's situation and chasing the winger back,

what are you glaring at before? No, no, please carry on. Does it go through your mind, I'm on a yellow, I better be careful here? Should it go? I think it should go through you. I think it should go through everyone's mind when you're on yellow,

because you're essentially playing a different game, especially when you're in a position, like for them where you're away from home and every foul or something that you give will sound and feel worse because all the crowd around you will make a point of it and it's not to say that referees can be influenced from that standpoint but emotionally

you can sort of sense that in a different sort of way so I think you should be able to manage yourself better when you are essentially on the yellow card because at some point everybody gets them and you do have to play a different game you have to be slightly different your decision making has to be slightly different you're playing a game of football

where the sort of scenarios change all the time so I think he will be there's some way you could say you're unlucky, it's helpless, it's whatever, but the ones that you should be able to manage, like as a professional, and as Chris said, Detel's not brand new. And I think, looking at this table, the couple of things here,

chappas, by the way, this is the disciplinary table. United have got the fewish yellow cards in the league, 37, and just one red card. Why are you saying that to me as if I'm responsible for the United's players? Play long. It's just because the next best for yellow cards is Arsenal,

39, no red cards, which is better than was it last year with Declan Rice and the United States? all that stuff for the start of the year. They got a few silly ones last year. Exactly, yeah. Liverpool, one red card. Man City, no red cards. So if we're going to compare them,

compare them to teams who are trying to achieve the same sort of thing. And I think that's when the mistakes, like I don't think they have a disciplinary problem per se, but it's the sign of a team who are making it harder for themselves when they're at that level to where you can barely afford

to make a single mistake. We'll be doing next week, Manchester United, if they were a bit more aggressive, I know, that's what it is. The other thing is, is that? I can imagine fans of so many of the Premier League clubs going, hang on a minute.

So the four teams are the best disciplinary records. The City, United, Liverpool and Arthur. I wonder what the referees are favouring that. You know? It makes perfect sense. Isn't the confusing part about this, because I went from yellow cards to red cards, so in some ways I was mixing up a little bit. In terms of yellow cards,

so it goes United Arsenal, Nottingham Forest, Aston Villa, West Ham. Would you have thought any of those? No. No. I wouldn't have thought Bournemouth would have Hey, listen, man. How many reds have Bournemouth had? Bournemouth have had one red card.

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a fantastic double save from Jack Butler and from his penalty. Hart won on Saturday. Motherwell won as well. So the table, hearts have 63 from 29. Rangers 57 from 29 Celtic 55 from 28 and Motherwell 53 from 28 it genuinely Chris

just gets better it does just an incredible weekend with you know with hearts winning with Motherwell winning and then the nature of the game was just I don't know whether everybody watched it it was the strangest game ever

I mean Rangers could have been out of sight. I mean, they absolutely smashed Celtic in the first half, bullied them. Poor old Alex Oxley Chamberlain. I mean, Martin got them in. He was training at Arsenal, got them in. He's barely

played this season. And he struggled to find the pace of the game, get to the pace of the game. Celtic didn't have legs in midfield. They were mauled by Rangers. The quality of the goals from Chimiti, I mean,

the overhead kick. And then his second one was absolutely sensational, like his touch around a rowo and then slotting it. And this is a guy, eight million pounds, who was criticised heavily from Rangers fans, you know, who's getting the old,

he's a dud and what have you, but he's scored some really important goals for them. And then half-time Martin Neal made the changes, bought Rio Hattati on, who I mean, Rory's probably heard we mention him, before on the Monday nightclub. I thought he would be one

who was a certainty to play in the Premier League. But this season, for whatever reason, he's been so poor. I don't know whether he's been sulking. I don't know what it is. But he came on at half time and gave Celtic control in that midfield area. And then had the game gone on for another five minutes,

Celtic would have ended up winning. I mean, you know, it was two, two. And Celtic did to Rangers in the second half. What Rangers did to? Celtic in the first off. So yeah, that's where we're at. Don't take any offence at this, Chris. But Andy Halliday's the perfect guest for this chap

because he's played for ages, plays for hearts and he's currently at Motherwell. So that gives a much more balanced perspective on everything. Andy, thank you very much for joining us. And you were part of our commentary team yesterday. The one thing I... Is he in a car? Are you in a car, right? I mean, are you in a limousine or something where you're doing this?

It's certainly not a limousine, Chris. I can guarantee you that. But I'm indeed in a car, yeah. Well, thank you very much for pulling over and doing this. The one thing that struck me yesterday was, both teams went hell for leather at each other. It wasn't KG, it was, we are going to go for this. And it was very similar, actually,

to the week before or two weeks before when Rangers and Hearts played each other. And they both went for it. Not only is the title race close, but nobody's playing at KGy, everybody is going for it with foot on the accelerator. Yeah, absolutely.

And I think the game yesterday probably epitomised the season in its totality and also both teams. I think Celtic have shown throughout the season that they can be a good side in spells and they can also be quite poor. And I think Rangers are the exact same. And I was listening to Chris's assessment

of the game yesterday and I think it's pretty much exactly what he says. You know, I thought Rangers were maybe so much energy, so much intent in the first half. and Celtic, I thought, were slightly spooked by it. I thought Celtic then got dragged into a game that they don't normally do, where they were playing long on occasions.

And I thought Rangers just picked up first contacts, second contacts, and just dominated the full 45 minutes. And Celtic have shown plenty, you know, signs that a comeback some powers of recovery over the last few weeks, but I just didn't at any point see it coming again yesterday at Ibrooks. And then the second half was just a complete reverse. I thought it was then Celtic. They were landing on all the loose balls.

And from then on then, I thought Celtic, control the second half. But I think every big game out with the first old firm game this season, which was an absolute boar fest, I think every big game in Scotland this season has been incredible to watch. It's been real entertainment. I don't think it was any different yesterday. Do I

do I decide take comfort from the point? I mean, Martin O'Neill afterwards said, the second half belonged to us. We've got an equaliser. If you're two nil down at half time, you have to question yourself. And then I spent my live question.

to tell you the truth. But anyway, we pulled it round the second half. God, I love him. Great effort by the players. It's shown great spirit. Coming here is a difficult task, particularly if you're chasing the game as we were, which on the one hand makes you sound grateful for the point, but a point doesn't really help either of them, Andy. No, I don't think it does. I think before the game I said that, I think a point was no good for either side. I think it turned out to be a draw, and I think the big winners of the weekend were hearts. But I think in context of the game, given where

Celtic were in the first half. And like I says, you didn't see any signs of recovery at that point. I think you do have to lean on the side it was a decent point for Celtic in the end. I think big questions just have to be, and you've kind of felt that way, where would Celtic be in the table

just now if they kept Martin O'Neill after his first interim spell? And they never had the Wilfred Nancy DeBacco for the eight games that he was up in Scotland. And like again, no, it didn't see it coming at all at any point yesterday, but Martin O'Neill just found something different, found extra edges in Celtic.

I think by his own admission, he felt as if he got his starting line up wrong. But I don't think anyone can disagree with him not starting Rio Hattati. I mean, Rio Hattati has been an absolutely tremendous player for Celti over a cut of seasons. But the downfall, the downturn, sorry, in form for Rio Hattati this season to what we've seen. I don't think there was any surprise he wasn't to start line up. But I don't think there's any doubt whatsoever. He made a massive impact in the game in the second half. With your motherwell hat on, did you watch that 8-1?

Liza go in yesterday afternoon and think, well, that'll do nicely? Yeah, it obviously gives you a better chance I getting closer to the two sides above you. I mean, truthfully, I think the players, and quite rightly should go into every game so far from now at the end of the evening with so much confidence, just given the consistency levels and performance throughout the season. But the feeling that they've hit almost their best kind of form at the right stage, you know, I get told today in the last 16 games at Motherwell have scored 27 goals.

goals and only conceded three. And you have that feeling just watching them. I think there's been so many games where it's been total control from the first minute to the last. You're obviously coming into a period of the season where every game is going to be difficult. But I don't see any reason why the players shouldn't be confident against any side at the minute. Because for me, I think hearts are the best team in the country because they've been the most consistent. But I don't think there's any doubt that Motherwell are the best football inside in the country. Let's talk about Motherwell then.

And what has happened this season and how it has changed? bit by bit to this perception, and you've talked about it just then playing the best football. Chris is on record, as we've said the last couple of years are saying, you're playing the best football either north or south of the border in the top flight. How have you got to where you've got to, Andy? Because I know the old firm happened this weekend, but we'll park it now, because Harts and Motherwell are the story now.

And we haven't taught Motherwell at all, so let's get into it. well the first good bit of news my well got was I got injured for a long period of time so if mine's to get up two three levels after that listen I think a lot of the credit and obviously a lot of the speculation and stories and quite rightly so I've got to go to the manager I think he's came in with an idea

and a clarity in the way he wants to play that we very very rarely see in Scottish football I think for me being a big lover of football and a big lover of Scottish football I think, no, Angie's Celtic played an incredible style of football to watch. But outside of Rangers and Celtic, there's not been many teams that dominate games of football the way that Yinsbert Alastrew's mother will do.

And he's obviously very, very strong in his belief, his clarity and his information every single day. No, people always ask me what his training's like. It's very repetitive, but it's very repetitive because it's exactly the phases he wants to see his team play in the weekend. and you can see week after week. Repetitive with the ball, repetitive without the ball, a bit of both?

Yeah, both. Yeah, absolutely for both. I think throughout the season, I think we've always had credit as a team for how we play in possession. I think it's only recently when you start to see, you know, 16 clean sheets this season

the most across the top five in Europe. I think now you're starting to get the recognition that how good the players have actually been off the ball. For me, so hard working in terms of trying to get the ball back at the top end of the pitch. pitch, you know, take the same amount of pride in our defensive working than the boys do in possession as well.

And at the start of the season, it wasn't, I mean, it wasn't exactly a fantastic start. I think it was only two wins in the first eight games, but the performance levels were there. So there was still, no, loads to take from it that you feel that you were only going to improve and get better. And then, like he says, it's only been, I think it's only been one league defeat since October, went on an incredible run that now has you in the conversation with the top When he came in in the summer,

there's kind of two things that Stram has been remarkable. One is that his background was not, you know, he'd done 10 years at Aberdeen and five years at Kilmarnock, and he knew the lead. It was a risky appointment. His biggest kind of managerial achievement was with H.B. Torchardin, winning the double in the Faroe Islands, which will be harder than we give it credit for,

but I think to a kind of group of grizzled... How do you know that? Because it always is harder than we give it credit for. There will be decent footballers in the fairer. Faroe Islands, Chris, don't insult the Faroe Islands again. But the other thing is, Andy, to just ignore, I'm just going to ignore Chris, is to come in and tell

you, okay, we're going to try and play a style of football that is riskier, that is more kind of ambitious. Is it riskier? And that kind of rely, well, let's let's let Andy answer that question. That relies, that basically says to the players, I trust your ability, that those are two

quite big calls for the club to make and for the manager to make, aren't they? Yeah, well we played obviously up in Scotland you play the Premier Sports Cup before the league campaign starts and we played Clyde

in the very first game and we do two-two and one of the goals we conceded was, you know, one of our centre midfield players dropping deep trying to play a square ball just 10 yards inside your pitch and your goalkeeper gets loved for 30 yards

the second game we then go 1-0 down at home to Peterhead and I'd be lying if the players don't then start to think I mean, is this working? Can you then take that into the lead campaign when you're playing against the likes of Rangers, Celtic and hearts? And then in the very first game of the season,

we played Rangers in a game where we got loads of credit where we played extremely well, but the goal we concede comes from building out for a goal kick. Paul McGinn tries to play a square pass that goes out for a corner. Now, most managers I've played under would maybe berate you for playing that take a pass and giving away a corner. And then some managers would probably tell you

to start turning it for the next 10 minutes in playing long. But the manager's message has never wavered. In fact, making the type of mistakes is almost praised at times because you're showing the bravery to continue to do it even when you've made mistakes. And I think we always gets underplayed with managers. We'll talk about Martin O'Neill there and what he's done for certain individuals. I think Nguyen's better at last group has came in,

and players that have played in Scotland for such a long period of time are playing the best football of their career. Now, Paul McGinn for me, 35-year-old, who played every game this season, is playing the best football his career at 35. Stephen Welsh, he's been out of the pitcher for a long period of time at Celtic, has came on loan to Motherwell

and being outstanding at the back. So it's not only just the stellar football we're playing in possession, out of possession. I think he's actually creating sellable assets for Motherwell on the pitch and he's going to prolong people's careers as well. You were there last season as well. What belief has he given?

When he came in were the targets that he set, you know, at the start of every season when you've been with Motherwell? Has the target been top six? Has it been Don't get involved in a relegation fight? Has he sort of cleansed past

mentalities and allowed you to flourish at near the top of the table? There's never been any long-term targets that you set. It's always been very focused on the next game at hand. But I think a word they uses a lot is always belief. So I believe in the way

you're playing, regardless of a opponent. you know, the tetar football we play doesn't waver whether it is Clyde at home or Peterhead away it's the exact same if you're going to Celtic Park or at Ibrook or at Tyne Castle so I think that word belief and again I talked about that repetitive nature playing that exact same way

I think even though we started the season well in terms of performance levels I just feel that the group of players have improved ever since I'll be interesting if I'm certainly not going to ask the question but if somebody starts to ask him about potential targets now he's probably got a different answer on his hands because, listen, there's no doubt whatsoever.

If you keep continuing to get the results that the team's getting just now, then obviously the sky's the limit. Sorry, Andy, did you say you're not going to answer the question if you get asked what the potential targets are? Well, I've been asked the question for the last two or three weeks. I've Marloughwell title contenders, and unless the minds are going to answer the question, I certainly feel like I can't. So, like I says, I feel as if the team's playing the best football

in the country at the moment, I think he can go into every game with plenty of confidence. But I think he's took the approach I won game at a team, so I think I've got it back and won that. Don't be horrible, Chris, now. I know exactly what you're about to do. No, no, you don't. I was going to ask, Andy, because people view

Jens Berzelescu as a as a pure coach, a brilliant coach. What's his man management skills like? Do you know what? Yeah, it's very, very good. I even take my own example.

Obviously, last season had played every game, you know, felt as if I had a decent season, myself individually. And, you know, obviously coming into this season, you know, body not feeling maybe quite the same as it was last year. But he's always been black and white with me. He's always been up front. He's always been honest. And even the 12 weeks or so that I was injured always made me feel part of it, asking questions, you know, what I thought about the games at the weekend. We've got other, you know, big characters and players that have done really well for us last year.

or it's a Liam Gordon and whatnot that have found their way out of the team. So I think the players have done great in terms of they've not let their ego get ahead of it. They've always put the team first. But he's had difficult decisions to make. He's made difficult conversations to be had and he's took them, but he's always been opening and honest about it. So I don't really think that the players at all can have any bad word to say about them. And when you see exactly what you're working on,

come to fruition and work as well as it does at the weekend. There's not really too much you can complain about. Before we let you go, must be absolutely buzzing, isn't it? Yeah, certainly. This is two and a half years I've been at the football club and I was talking to a cut of the players about at the weekend. You know, Dundee United at home at this stage of the season

over the past couple of seasons, you're probably looking at four, five thousand people at Fir Park. You look at the attendances that Furt Park's got this season and I think it was just under 10,000 at the weekend there against Dundee United. The atmosphere, like you said, was obviously rocking for the first minute. I think obviously there's a recognition of what the players are doing

on the pitch, but the fans are loving, obviously, what they're watching. So I think it's obviously all all rosy at the minute, and hopefully we can keep a hold on for another season after this one. We'll let you get out of the car. Can I ask that one question, Mark? I know Andy you're a motherwell player, but who would you prefer to win the league? Motherwell or Rangers?

Motherwell, Chris. You're such a horrible man at the time. Thank you, Andy. Talk to you soon. This is the Monday nightclub with Mark Chapman. On the Football Daily podcast. We're going to talk IFAB and the new rules they're looking to bring in. Darren Catton is with us to talk about this. Former Assistant Referee helps us through decisions every single weekend at BBC Football.

So they are going to look at Darren. Corners, second yellow cards, and that will be added to the scope of VATB. for this summer's World Cup. And then they will also look at other ideas to cut down time wasting and loss of tempos. So that's countdowns on gold kicks and throwings and substitutions. And they're looking to do this from June the 1st. Is that for all of those things?

So they will all come in for this World Cup? They will come in for the World Cup. Yes, and all bar corners will come into the Premier League from the start of next season. Will the second yellow cards come in for the Premier League as well? Because they will. And I think that's a good thing because I think it's totally unjustified when a player is shown a red card for their second cautionable off. And they have to leave the pitch they're sent off.

And there's no recourse. It's not within the VAR's remit at the moment. And I'm sure Rory will have been aware of what happened in Italy a couple of weeks ago within to Milan and the event. when a player was sent off for what the referee deemed a second cautionable offence, when in fact a player dived. It was a player called Bastoni, who dived and clearly got his opponent sent from the field of play. And the VAR was helpless to do anything about it.

So this is actually a really good change that anybody who's sent off for a second yellow card, at least the second yellow card can now be under the remit of the VAR so that justice can be seen to be done. Just to make sure I'm absolutely clear on this, that's just the second yellow. It's not the first. They can't look back at the first and say, well, the first shouldn't have been a yellow. Absolutely, Rory. Yes, it's just the second yellow card. And, of course, if a player got booked in the first couple of minutes, you wouldn't want the VAR to have to spool back to try and find the first yellow

to see the validity of that. So I think it's sensible that just that decision that is actually sent off the player for the second year club, just that one can be checked to make sure. that is a correct decision. Darren, in regards to that sending off in Italy, the Bastoni incident, with the new law, would that mean that the yellow card could be taken away? But could a yellow card be given to Bastoni for diving? Yes, absolutely right.

Yes. So Bastoni would have received a yellow card. And I think it was Kalulu, wasn't it, Eventis, who was sent off wrongly for a second yellow card, when, in fact, he made no contact at all with the opponent. So again, it's just justice. That's all we want, really, is football fans. We don't want to see players sent off for a second any other card when they haven't committed an offence.

Darren, one of the issues we've seen with VAR throughout is this sense that we're trying to reach a kind of objective definition of a lot of these offences, which has led to a bit of confusion. Hold on. Who's we? We, the football public in general. Okay. So are we the problem? No. Okay.

I know what the problem. I like Darren a lot, so I don't want to tell him who the problem is. But we've seen a little bit of kind of confusion around what, you know, what's a handball, what's deliberate, what's not. There's kind of a messiness there. Surely with yellow cards, that is just asking for trouble because a yellow card is so much at the discretion of a referee. No, second year. The way Darren has described it, that can only be a good thing. Because that's, you know, it's about injustice, isn't it?

Yeah, Chris, you tell him. Go on. But what constitutes a yellow card is often context and circumstance and referee dependent, isn't it? Yeah. It is, yes. But just to be clear, it's only clearly incorrect second yellow cards that will be amended. And of course, we won't be... Oh, Darren, hang on a minute.

Hang on. I know you're here to help us. And I do like work with you very much. But just adding the word clearing doesn't make it any different, does it really? I mean, I thought at the moment everything's meant to be clear and obvious. Except the bits that aren't meant to be clear and obvious. But with this, though,

are we not talking about potentially taking something away as opposed to giving somebody another yellow card? So this is why it's a positive. And I see it the same way as you, Chris. Yeah, okay, I get that. That makes sense. That's what I mean. It feels like a weird bit of negativity about this, which is actually quite a positive.

Okay. Oh, yeah, that's true, I suppose. Just from your perspective, as someone who went to major tournaments, I don't know during your career how many new things were introduced for a World Cup or a Euros. But is it frustrating that supposedly the biggest male football tournament on earth as a whole load of new rules introduced?

Let's give it a dough here. Yeah, I tell you what. The whole world's watching. Let's try this. Let's introduce the corner thing for the World Cup final. Is it a bit, do you find, did you find that frustrating? Do you think it is odd? Well, of course, there's lots of pressure, particularly at a World Cup, and I recall going to World

Cups where the Magic Spray was introduced for the first time on a global level, and also we had the goal-line technology as well. So there's been lots of tournaments with new innovations, and those two things have been positive, I think. I don't agree with every law change across the years, and there have been many across the years and it's hard to keep up with it. It certainly keeps me busy and it kept me busy the last three days since the IFAB meeting in Cardiff. But I think the majority of these changes will actually be positive, similar to the goalkeeper who had just eight seconds to release the ball. There was some trepidation from fans regarding that. But I think that's a good example that's worked really well in the Premier League this season where the keepers

get the ball back into play in a very prompt manner. First of all, I like the fact that Darren still calls it magic spray, as we all do. I mean, it isn't, it's just disappearing foam, it's not magic. But the dodso thing, the change, the denial of a doll's opportunity, if a player on the same team as the player you bring down can be cleaned through, I think that's a smart thing as well. Because that's a weird loophole in the law. So if a player, if it could lead, Darren, you'll explain this better than I will,

but if the foul could lead or prevents another player on that team having a clear opportunity to score, that feels like that should obviously be a red card as well, and I think it now will be, right? That's absolutely right, and I wouldn't bet on me explaining it better than you or which of it. But yeah, imagine a quick break, a counter-attack, three against one defender, and the player that's fouled isn't the player who has the clear goal-scoring opportunity. now that will become, if you like, a team, obvious goal scoring opportunities that will result in a red card.

Darren, who's going to be in charge of all the countdowns for goal kicks, throw-ins, substitutions? Who's responsible for that? So that will be the referee. And like he does now with the eight seconds in the Premier League for the goalkeeper releasing the ball from his hands, it'll be five seconds from a throw-in and five seconds from a goal kick.

But just to be clear, it's not from the moment the ball leaves the bitch. Of course, it might be kicked into Rose Ed. You're never going to get the ball back in five seconds from there. That would be a better watch, wouldn't it? If someone like to scramble.

I think, yeah, maybe, Chris, yeah. But I think it stands to the referee's discretion. So there is some discretion there. But if the referee feels that time is unfairly being consumed, then the referee will, will, if you like, put the thrower or put the goalkeeper on the clock.

What's the punishment? The punishment for throw-ins will be that the throw-in goes to the other team. If they don't release the ball by the end of the five-second countdown, the visual display that the referee will give. And for a goal kick, the punishment will become a corner

to the other team. So there's a real incentive for the players to get the ball back into play, which is football fans. We want to see more football, more ball-time in play and less time when it's out of play. Well, you see that's the thing though, Darren, the little caveat there is you want to see it more when your team is chasing,

when your team is losing, it goes the other way. And I think that with all these law changes and so on, they're all really good from a neutral standpoint. And then when the whole partisan nature of football kicks in, like you start to get frustrated about things and that sense of injustice and so on. But I think as long as the majority of people understand what's going on, there's also a law of unintended consequences. So if you're a goalkeeper who suddenly,

and I'm assuming that this will be some sort of massive visual countdown like in Gladiators, where it goes five, four, like that, that's what you want, then you're not going to play a sensible short pass, are you going to boot it forward? And is that what we want? We've gone old school. And also, just finally, Derek. How long is five seconds as well?

They're also going to trial the Venger offside thing about daylight between the two players. They're going to trial that in Canada. Just very, very quickly. Is there some kind of irony in them trying to speed the game up on the one hand? yet introduce more VAR on the other? I agree, Chappers. For me, the Venger offside law is well-intentioned,

but it simply won't work. It's completely impractical for an assistant referee to judge an offside the back part of the attacker because very often that's hidden from you. And in a crowded penalty area, it's hidden actually by another attacker. So you physically can't often see the back of the attacker anyway, so it won't work. I don't agree with trialing it in the Canadian

Premier League either because that's a league without VAR and the way this will fall down is that it will lead to lots more VAR checks so certainly more testing needs to be done but I'm not a fan. Darren, thank you very much for being with us. Darren can with us on the Monday nightclub.

It is honestly, every weekend he sits in the match of the day office to give us guidance on all the decisions and just ends up having the pundit shout at him for about seven hours. You've got to give it a chance so, Mark, this change. I am doing. Yeah, just you sounded, you sounded sort of overly negative. You've got to be, you're not, got to be glass half full.

That's the way I am. Lovely to work with you again. Thank you. Thank you, Nadem. Thank you. Thank you, Rory as well. You can watch the Monday Night Club back on YouTube or an eye player. Kelly will have all the reaction to Tuesday's Premier League action

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