Football Daily - MNC: What next for Arsenal & is Iraola right for Liverpool?

Episode Date: June 1, 2026

Mark Chapman is joined by Conor Coady, Chris Sutton and, Adam Crafton as they react to Arsenal’s Champions League final defeat to Paris Saint Germain. PSG won their second consecutive Champions Leag...ue title after beating Arsenal on penalties. The panel dissect Arsenal’s setup throughout the game and, whether Arsenal need to change their approach. Why do people get so frustrated watching Arsenal? How will Gabriel missing the deciding penalty impact him? Does Luis Enrique’s PSG need to be in the conversation with the great teams such as Pep Guardiola’s Barcelona.Is Andoni Iraola the right replacement for Arne Slot at Liverpool? Liverpool have opened talks with the former Bournemouth manager. The panel discuss how hard the step up to manage a ‘Big 6’ club is. Slot spent two seasons at Anfield winning a Premier League title in his first season, so where did it all go wrong for the Dutchman?And a number of rule changes have come in ahead of this summer’s World Cup. Our Football Issues Correspondent Dale Johnson joins the Monday Night Club to discuss them all.TIME CODES00:00 Intro 00:30 Chris Sutton and Columbo 02:34 The Champions League final 10:00 Could Arsenal have approached the game better? 12:30 Do Arsenal need more quality? 14:40 Should Arteta change his style of play? 17:30 Gabriel taking the deciding penalty 19:30 PSG retain the Champions League 23:40 Liverpool sack Arne Slot 28:00 Did Mo Salah have an impact on Slot’s departure? 30:00 Where it all went wrong for Slot 31:10 Will Andoni Iraola be the right replacement 39:40 The impact of character and personality at Liverpool 43:00 World Cup rule changes 52:00 New VAR checks

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Starting point is 00:00:29 Welcome to the Monday nightclub, Chris Sutton, Adam Crafton and Connor Cody. are with us. The Champions League final on a slot leaving Liverpool. Looks like Andonia Ola will replace him. We will start with the Champions League final. You were on Radio 2 this morning, Chris, a clip of you, talking about your highlight in Budapest, visiting the statue of Colombo. Yeah, that was a highlight.
Starting point is 00:00:52 I'm a big fan of Colombo. And Murder, she wrote, Angela Lansbury, but I'd say Colombo number one for me. So, yeah, I got there, I had to get my accreditation, but I made a dash for his statue. Right. And yeah, yeah. And for those that don't know, why is there a statue of Colombo in Budapest?
Starting point is 00:01:12 I don't know. Oh, okay. I honestly don't know, but I know there is a statue. You know? Well, Adam Crafton, do you know? It's the kind of thing the athletic may write 5,000 words on, so I don't know. I don't know. I'm Googling it as we speak.
Starting point is 00:01:27 Right. Okay. Have you found it? Well, no, I'm looking. It takes time. Is it not filmed in Boeuf? the pest. Is that not why there was a statue there? That's what I thought you were getting at.
Starting point is 00:01:37 No. Before we came up. He was quite a long way away. L.A. Okay, so it's a tribute to the actor Peter Falk. Yeah. Peter Fulke. Who was believed to have Hungarian roots.
Starting point is 00:01:48 Ah, right. That's according to the AI version of Google. Okay. Take it with caution. They must have known he had Hungarian roots. They couldn't have just believed it and just popped a statue. I'm hoping that that was a sort of bloodline. I mean, that would have been slightly.
Starting point is 00:02:07 Oh, right. And off air, we had to explain to Connor what Columbo was. I love coming on this show just to hear new things from you, Chris. Do your Colombo impression that you did off air? Really? Yeah, go on. I've got two. You've got two?
Starting point is 00:02:22 Wow. Wow. I'm not sure that's really the point of impressions. You meant to just have the one off the per. But go on. Okay. Well, yeah, this one from one of, I think I'd drop my dad. pen. And then he says, just one more thing. That was his sort of classic one. He'd set people
Starting point is 00:02:41 up. He was on to them early and it'd always leave a room or a building and then they'd think they'd be relieved, the suspect and then he'd just wander back in. Just one more thing. And then it'd pin them. Then they'd pin them at the end. What a guy. So what did you make of the Champions League final then, Chris? As you were there. Oh, yeah. I mean, I mean, it was fascinating and going into it. You know, it was always going to be talked about the clash of styles and Arsenal get ahead early, and then they just defended for the lives, didn't they?
Starting point is 00:03:18 And, you know, they didn't show a great ambition, really, in terms of, you know, I think they had something like 25% possession. The end justifies the means, though, doesn't it? So, you know, it's okay setting up that way. And they won a Premier League with the style which they play. with. But, I mean, they were long ball Arsenal and it was pretty basic stuff in an attacking sense, even when the sobs came on. But, you know, it has been their strength this season and they were a penalty away. So look, I think you could look at it, you know, in a couple of
Starting point is 00:03:52 ways. Do Arsenal need to adapt in the Champions League? Maybe, maybe I think that will be something Mikel Artetta would talk about. But at the start of the season, it was all about winning the Premier League, and they did win the Premier League, but they just didn't get over the line in the Champions League. So that's something which I think he'll maybe try and address over the summer. But how do you beat PSG? Bayern Munich tried to beat PSG, you know, in a similar fashion to the way that PSG play.
Starting point is 00:04:21 But, you know, that's why they're the outstanding team. They won 5-0 last season. I think it was just a goalkeeper they changed. So an Arsenal came very close. Adam, Matt Hulbson said on Five Live, if you look at the stats, then you would think it was a one-sided boxing match. So Arsson had possession of just under 25%.
Starting point is 00:04:40 And Paris Saint-German made 602 more passer attempts than Arsenal, just to give you a couple of those. But Matt went on to say, but it was designed like that. It was designed with a purpose to win the Champions League and there were inches in it. Yeah, I guess. And look, it's not that different,
Starting point is 00:04:57 I imagine, from what we may have seen all those years go when Chelsea would play by Munich or Barcelona when they went on to win the Champions League and I think sometimes we forget that teams that win trophies don't always play one in finals you don't have to play a team off a pitch to win a trophy.
Starting point is 00:05:17 What it did remind me of a little bit was England's final against Italy in Euro 2020 where you get that early goal and then you kind of have something to sit on and you get deeper and deeper and the other team starts to take the initiative, starts to kind of just circulate the ball. And it just gives you a very small margin for error.
Starting point is 00:05:37 I mean, Arsenal, I mean, David Wright, I don't think he made a save, really, in the 90 minutes. But just that one moment of switching off and the penalty, let them back in. I mean, they could play with that little bit more risk, you might say, a little bit more risk. But, you know, I think Matt's right. If Artetta went to bed the night before
Starting point is 00:05:57 and had a dream about the game, it probably would have gone a lot like it went on the day. It wasn't an accident. I don't really know what we were expecting. I was expecting fully what Arsenal done. I think Chris mentioned before about that's the way they played a lot this season. We've seen that. They've been and won the Premier League.
Starting point is 00:06:11 We mentioned before about Bayern Munich. Now, Bayern Munich are a better team than Arsenal, in my opinion. And Bayern Munich went to toe to Tosg and got beat. So we see that. So for me, Mikhail Artetta went there. I felt like I knew, not sounding like a no way for anything, but I felt like I knew how he was going to play. And when you're playing that system, I believe,
Starting point is 00:06:25 because I've played in that system a little bit with Wolves when we were in the Premier League and different things. not to the level of thought they were doing a Champions League final. But you have to have spells with the ball to give yourself a little bit of breathing, space. In the first half, they had a few little counterattacks in the ball flashed across the box a couple of times. They had a couple of little chances.
Starting point is 00:06:41 But that totally got nullified second half. And I just think the quality of PSG, when they get into that rhythm, when they sustain and keep your pinned in, that's when it becomes tough. And it's such a hard way to play ball. I think, as the lads have said there, Michel Artetto would have known what he was doing
Starting point is 00:06:54 a couple of weeks before that game, knowing how he was going to play against PSG. And I don't really know why we're all surprised. rise by it all? So when you talk about if you play that way you've got to have you need to have some spells where you have the ball just to try and take the heat out of it and give yourself
Starting point is 00:07:08 a breather, how do you do that? Because people are talking about while Arsenal I need more pace up front or so on and so forth. So if you are being direct even though you would go say over the top and into space, is that still giving you a breather or
Starting point is 00:07:24 is it actually I don't know, your midfield dictating the pace of the game and keeping hold of the ball for two minutes? Yeah, I don't think it's going over the top. You're just giving the ball back to PSG. I don't think it's that. I think you've got to have spells in the game where you make passes and you have the ball and you go through midfield and you're brave enough.
Starting point is 00:07:38 Because what happens is, I believe, when a team has so much the ball, they've got energy when they lose the ball to counterpress really well. So Liverpool were amazing. Liverpool were the best at counterpressing because they always had energy to do so. PSG were the same the other day. So that means you lose the ball because you're tired from running, and Arsenal running side to side, moving, side to side, moving side to side, shuffling, side to side.
Starting point is 00:07:56 So when they get the ball back, they're absolutely knack. but you've got to be brave enough and strong enough to play through a press and play through a counter press where you can play through and then you keep the ball for a certain number of passes to then give you a little bit of a breather
Starting point is 00:08:05 on the ball and a little bit of time to control the game a little bit. I never felt like Arsenal had that in the game. I really didn't, but... How could they have got that? Because you're doing your coaching badge, so that's the interesting bit.
Starting point is 00:08:15 You know, when people question player X or player Y or is this the player who might need to be upgraded for next season for them to go to the next level and we can expand as well on whether their Arsenal do need to change.
Starting point is 00:08:29 Where do you need those players? No, I think pace is a massive part of it, but the issue is when you play like that. And like I've played in this system before where you don't touch the ball for long periods. When you get it back, you feel like you've got to go and score straight away. And we see an Arsenal scored early, which helped them. And Adam just mentioned there, I was in the Euro 2020.
Starting point is 00:08:44 I was on the bench for England. And it was exactly the same. We scored away. And I don't think that helps us. Because all of a sudden, you're cling on and you shrivel up a little bit, and you go, oh my God, we're playing Italy. You're an incredible team. Arsenal will play in PSG are an incredible team.
Starting point is 00:08:54 We've got to defend, defend, defend. an hour to go, or there's 75 minutes to go, and you go, oh my word, where's the time going? So I think it's important that you have pace, but then when you go for, you've got to be brave enough to cap back out and have spells on the ball. When you're a counter-attack team, you've still got to have them spells. You don't just counter-attack, counter-attack, in my eyes. I think you've got to cap out and have the ball for large periods. And I just don't feel like Arsenal had that. Now, that might have been the way they played, that every time they win it back, they go for a counter-attack to try and score.
Starting point is 00:09:21 And a mentality, that's what it's like when you're in. You don't have the ball for so long. You feel like you've got to go and have a chance. you've got to go and try and score and I felt like they got caught up in that and PSJ just nullified them in the end for me. And I remember watching the first half and thinking I was listening to the commentary on the game
Starting point is 00:09:35 and a lot of it was Arsenal doing so and the way they were defending really well, I just felt PSG were in so much control and PSG knows as long as this goes on, this will keep going, this will keep going, we'll keep making passes, we'll make passes and we'll just grind them down and something will happen
Starting point is 00:09:49 and we've seen second half, something happening, but that doesn't take anything away from the way Arsenal play because I felt like the game plan of what Arsenal was right. It kept them in the game until a penalty. as Chris mentioned before, and that was the plan to be within the game at the end.
Starting point is 00:10:00 And in all of this, Chris, we also have to take into account that Paris Saint-Germain's midfield is of a standard that I think any other club in Europe would dream of, isn't it? Given their work rate, I mean, forget anything else.
Starting point is 00:10:14 I mean, their work rate is off the scale. Mikhail Artetta, he didn't have the confidence in his players, but he just knew how good and dynamic their midfield is in terms of winning
Starting point is 00:10:26 the ball back. And, you know, and, you know, I mean, the levels of fitness are just phenomenal, but, you know, they're brilliant footballers as well. And they're such a dangerous team. He has to go into the game and think about how, you know, how do you beat this PSG team? And it's, it's so, so difficult. He'll probably look at it now and think, well, maybe, maybe we need to adapt and evolve. I've won the Premier League this season playing this more pragmatic style. And that's a big deal. But then, you know, the next step is, is, is, you know, the next challenge is, how can we conquer Europe? Just picking up on what Chris said about, you know,
Starting point is 00:11:04 sort of adding that little bit more quality, I just wonder whether it's as simple as that in the sense of they added quality last summer. They added Eze, they added Giochrez, Madueke. I think maybe that's, in some ways, it's more depth than quality, but there's still, you know, Eze, I think any team in the Premier League would have been happy to have Eze added into the squad.
Starting point is 00:11:26 and I just wonder whether Artetta actually wants to develop the team in that way or whether he just wants to make them even better at what they do at the moment because if he did then I think much of this past season you'd have seen Erdoganese starting together and a bit like the way you'd have used to see City with Bernardo Silver and de Bruyner in front of Roderie you could have had that in front of rice So I'm not sure that this is as simple as you just go and buy a bit of flair and it and it kind of evolves Arsenal. I think they do need a better player on the left side, on the left flank. I'm not sure they go, you know, does getting Julian Alvarez completely change it from what Havers can do from what Giacuos can do?
Starting point is 00:12:11 He's a better player. But does it radically change the way that Arsenal go about playing? I don't know. I was talking about, you know, what Conner touched on. You know, as a former player, you know, I don't think that you can keep giving the ball back to a team of PSG's quality. You know, I think you're setting them. I mean, what Arsenal gave up and what Arsenal were happy to give up is, you know, at times in the wide area, saying, well, you throw balls in. Throw balls into our box. Our centrebacks will, you know, dominate. You know, you don't, you don't really have that aerial presence.
Starting point is 00:12:47 and that's what that's what Michael Artetta gave up and Arsenal we know they're brilliant at defending the box so he has to give something away and that's what it was If you look at that overall squad where are you looking at I can see the point on the left wing
Starting point is 00:13:03 Trussard's getting a bit older and Martinelli is probably flattered to deceive at times this season but elsewhere is it less about adding players but more about trusting your more attacking ones. 100%. And for me, I know what the guys are saying
Starting point is 00:13:23 about adding quality. That squad is full of quality. You mentioned the players there, you sign lassies and the players that they had there before. It's full of quality. For me, you can evolve that team with that group of players. I understand the left-hand side.
Starting point is 00:13:34 I know what you're saying about the left-hand side. I think if there's an opportunity to go and get a left-hand-sided player, I think they probably would do. But do you think that would be more, you know, being lit with Morgan Rogers, aren't there? Now Morgan Rogers is a very subtle.
Starting point is 00:13:47 a different left side of... A different profile to say an out-and-out-winger type. So if you have Morgan Rogers, is Morgan Rogers then going to get into the space that you would, whereas it might be, for example. So do you need a left-sided player can come in very different shapes and forms? Yeah, so it depends how he's going to evolve the team.
Starting point is 00:14:06 If he's going to evolve the team where he wants to build with a box in midfield and four in midfield and he wants to make the four in midfield with the left winger, then Morgan Rogers is absolutely ideal to play in that position. You play with Ezzie as a 10. you end up with two tens and then the fullback goes higher
Starting point is 00:14:18 and makes the winger, whatever that may be. So I think it all depends on how Michel Artetta wants to evolve the team. I actually think personally he's been really clever this year, Michel Artetta. I think he's played the way he's played
Starting point is 00:14:28 because he probably believes he can't go totes over Pep Guarola as well. I think that. I think he's found a way to beat a Manchester City team to the title by playing a different way. Maybe that's come from working under him.
Starting point is 00:14:41 Maybe that's come from knowing what Pep Guadro's weaknesses are because if you tend to, If you beat Manchester City, you tend to win the title. It's as simple as that every single season. So I think he's been really clever, but I think we're at a moment now where they have the quality within that group,
Starting point is 00:14:54 maybe one or two, okay, I get. But they have the quality within that group to go to a different level if they're willing to do so. I wonder as well, Adam, and maybe this isn't very popular, but Amy Lawrence and James McNicholas, both are in The Athletic, put this theory out there,
Starting point is 00:15:09 which is, to all intents of purposes, just everybody calm down a little bit, because Arsenal, as James McNicler said, learned from being runners up in the Premier League to evolving into winners. In the Champions League, they've gone quarter-finalists, then semi-finals, then losing finalists. And Amy points out that whether it was Chelsea
Starting point is 00:15:30 or Manchester City or Paris Saint-German, all of them lost a final in their modern iteration before they finally got to celebrate. So in amongst, do they need to change the style of play? Do they need new players? Do they need this? Do they need that? do they actually just need everybody calm down? They need a holiday, but they're going to the World Cup instead, don't we all?
Starting point is 00:15:54 I mean, I don't think Mikhail Artes will be coming away from Saturday night thinking I need to rip everything up and reimagine my work ahead of next season at all. But I think the reason people get frustrated watching Arsenal is you just sometimes look at the players who are there and think they can be better than this. They can be better than taking 35 seconds to take a throw-in, a minute and a half to take a corner. You just watch them, you know, Declan Rice is better than that.
Starting point is 00:16:26 SA's better than that. Oedegard's better than that. And yeah, okay, it gets them to the goal. You can't judge Declan Rice just on his kickoffs. Well, I come from his corners, which are brilliant, but he takes so long to take them. But that's the bit I just sometimes look at and think, you can be a more charming team than this.
Starting point is 00:16:45 You don't need to do all of this. You would cope. And actually, yes, we can say they won the league doing it like this. But they won the league doing it like that because Man City blew it, having fought their way back into it as well. That is not fair.
Starting point is 00:17:00 That is not fair. That's a load of rubbish. That is... How many league games are there? 38. But Chris, let me... 38 league games. So it's just as simple as that.
Starting point is 00:17:14 Manchester City blew it. That is absolute rubbish. What I'm saying is over that last five or six games of the season, after City beat Arsenal, City were in the driving seat. They had the chance to go and win it. Arsenal had at that point squandered the advantage, right? So just as if City had one, you could say Arsenal, let them back in.
Starting point is 00:17:35 But what I'm saying is it wasn't always in Arsenal's hands that they would go on and do it. So that's why I'm saying. it's not a perfect way to go and win things. That's all. It's not saying they didn't deserve to win it or anything like that, but I don't think it's that unfair. You don't need to be Colombo to follow that argument.
Starting point is 00:17:54 Just on the, just a final one, then we'll move on to Paris Saint-Germain. What did you make in the discussion of whether Gabrielle should have taken a penalty or not as a fellow centre half? I was shocked and I seen him walk up with the penalty, but then at the same time I kind of sat there and went, He's a confident lad. I don't know what's been seen on the training pitch.
Starting point is 00:18:14 So I can imagine they've touched penalties in training like we all do when we're leading into a penalty shootout. And I can imagine he's whipped a few of them into the top bin because that looked like where he wanted to go. So I can imagine Michelathe's seen that in training and gone. He's one of the leaders. Yeah, okay. And he's a very, very confident fellow.
Starting point is 00:18:29 I think we've seen that over the season in terms of how he plays and how he's played as being fantastic. I don't think anybody can deny that. People might not like him because of his antics and what he does, but he's being absolutely outstanding. So I can understand from a manager point of view putting him on the penalty
Starting point is 00:18:42 but I like attacking players on penalties I think the goal scorer is in your team I think they probably should be on penalties but at the same time I don't know what's been seen in training but I was shocked when he was walking up I was a bit like oh this is interesting number five who needs to score this is a big penalty this for a centreback to be taken
Starting point is 00:19:00 Chris might tell me difference he's a striker I'm a centreback so I was a utility player centreback centre midfield striker but no I think, I mean, Artetta made the point, you know, Odegaard went off
Starting point is 00:19:13 and Saka went off and Havert's, you know, so, you know, they had what they had. People are saying, well, should Madueke have taken it? But if Gabriel put his hand up to take it,
Starting point is 00:19:23 then let him get on with it. I think it's slightly disrespectful to centre halves over the years. I mean, or just defenders in general. I mean, you know, a lot of defenders have been brilliant penalty takers.
Starting point is 00:19:35 It's like we're looking at center halves like they're all donkeys. and they're not. You know, centre halves can kick a ball. I just, I mean, somebody had to miss. I mean, you know, people are forgetting as a miss as well. So that wasn't just on Gabrielle. And I feel for him, because that's a moment which,
Starting point is 00:19:53 for all the wrong reasons, he'll never forget that. Paris Saint-Germann then, have now joined an exclusive list of teams to win back-to-back Champions League titles. All 10 of the outfield players who started the win over Arsenal, also started their victory over into Milan. Now that is some consistency, Adam.
Starting point is 00:20:13 It is. And also, I mean, to think you lose Donna Rummer and just go and win the Champions League again is pretty amazing. Fantastic team, unbelievable coach. Would you bracket them now with that Barcelona team of PEP? I think in terms of they have a defined style. I think they're very hard to play against.
Starting point is 00:20:31 You also look at the age of some of the players. Chouinvers, I think 21, Dewey 20, Barcala, 23. Do you think they are being bracketed in that same group? And if you think they aren't, why aren't they? I think maybe they aren't just, they don't have that kind of magic individual like Messi. They have six or seven of those brilliant individuals maybe. And they don't have six or seven players that have all come through the PSG system like that Barcelona team had. But I don't think that midfield of Joanneves-Vittina, Fabio-No Nuis, I think it's probably as good now.
Starting point is 00:21:08 as the Chaviyan yester one, the way that they press and circulate the ball, I kind of like that they don't really have like a proper striker either. And actually, if someone had said a year, you know, two years ago that that 11 players
Starting point is 00:21:25 or that 10 outfield players would go and win two champions leagues, I'm not sure anyone would have thought that would be possible. So that's a real kind of tribute to what Enrique has been able to do with the system to create that. I love the fact more. I think Adam just touched on it there,
Starting point is 00:21:40 but I love the fact more that the more of a team. So I'd mentioned there about not having like the single individual. I love the fact that they're a team and they're all together and they all play to the manager's kind of tune and whatever he says goes. We obviously all, if you've all seen his videos of when he's in the training ground, when he was speaking to Mbapé about making him an animal off the ball and different things like that.
Starting point is 00:21:57 I think watching them sorts of things and then seeing how his team plays, it resonates. You look at it and you go, wow, the work he must put in on the training pitch to make this team a team is unbelievable. and they play different to the Barcelona team as well for me. I think they play a lot differently to that team. I think they should be bracketed in that. I think they're that good.
Starting point is 00:22:13 I think the managers that good. And I think what they're producing at the minute and how much we all love watching them puts them in the same bracket as that Pep Guerrero team. The journey PSG have been on. If you think three or four years ago, it was all about individuals. It was Messi, it was Namar and, who's the other one?
Starting point is 00:22:30 Embatepe. I mean, incredible. We nearly forgot on Beppe? Nearly forgot. Well, I mean, it's easy to, it's not. You know, who was talking about Mbapé on Saturday night, which is incredible to think, you know, to lose Mbapé, which for years, PSG had fought against,
Starting point is 00:22:47 they just kept throwing more and more money at him to keep him. And then as soon as you lose him, you just develop this team. And it's not all about him. It's about the whole culture of the club resetting, I guess. But I do think that journey is very uplifting, because it kind of tells a story of what team sport is all about. On the open road, conditions change. Your composure doesn't have to.
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Starting point is 00:23:51 We know that feeling. Coming soon on 5 live and BBC Sounds. Connor Cody, Adam Crafton, Chris Sutton on the Monday Night Club as we move on to Liverpool. Are you surprised they acted on Saturday morning, Chris, and sacked him? Yes, yeah, I am. Yeah, I just, I mean, Adam will probably have a better idea, but why not just sack him immediately after the last game of the season? And what, you know, I mean, was this on the cards?
Starting point is 00:24:40 I just, I just don't. That's the bit I don't understand, you know, as much as anything. And then, you know, I think you can have the debate about the rights or wrongs of it. You won a Premier League. This season, they were in regression. A lot of the crowd, by all accounts, or the Liverpool supporter, should say, had turned against him. Maybe that didn't help him. But why on Saturday morning?
Starting point is 00:25:02 Maybe because there was a big game coming on Saturday night and it buries it a little bit. I don't know. In terms of the timing, a week after the end of the season, I think Liverpool would say that, you know, they took their time to take stock, did a review of the season, then held conversations with Slot. I agree with you. I think it's strange in the sense of only a few days before we were hearing
Starting point is 00:25:23 that Slot was looking at bringing in his old assistant from FireNorders number two. So that tells you, Slot certainly didn't see it coming. He seemed to be under the impression that he would get another year to work on it. I would say like the first kind of alarm bells for me were, I was talking to someone last week and we were both saying,
Starting point is 00:25:44 well, where's their Ayala going? Because it seemed like all these jobs were being taken up around the country and around Europe, you know, Marini are going to Madrid and Carrick staying at United. Alonzo going to Chelsea. And you start to think, with all due respect to Crystal Palace, you start to think, is he really leaving Bournemouth to go to Crystal Palace? It just seemed a bit strange.
Starting point is 00:26:05 So did Liverpool get spooked by Milan and Leverkusen making moves? Possibly or look I imagine Richard Hughes, the sporting director, who had come from Bournemouth previously, I presume he knows Iroaula pretty well. And I think Iroa and Alonzo have the same agents as well. So, you know, I can't imagine that this is like the first time Iraola's heard about this over the last few days and weeks. if it is then fair play
Starting point is 00:26:37 it's like it's a sudden about turn but I think from everything we know about Liverpool they tend to be pretty organised and look I mean for weeks that they've been giving the impression to media that slot would be staying so they've done this before you know with Isaac last summer
Starting point is 00:26:54 they gave the impression no no we don't think it'll happen and then they do it so so it's not uncommon in terms of the way that Liverpool kind of operate I'm going to be honest with your chap because I find it a little bit uncomfortable. I just don't like how he's had to put up with so much. Listen, I'm not just, people might have a pop at me ever saying this, and I understand what football brings,
Starting point is 00:27:14 and football moves very, very fast. I think we all know that. Football's a very fickle game. But he came into Liverpool, and I don't like this thing either if it was Klop's team, then he won the Premier League with, you know how hard it is to win the Premier League? What would we give to win the Premier League? So I'm not having that.
Starting point is 00:27:27 You've still got to go through a full 38 game season and win the Premier League. And they haven't won the Premier League the previous two years? No, but I think they've won it once in. however many years before that as well. But what I'm saying is he wasn't taking over the champion. No, of course, of course. And he's still going to do the job. He's still got to do the work.
Starting point is 00:27:43 Don't get me wrong. It was still a top Liverpool team that he's took over. I fully get that. But you still got to go and win it and he'd done that. And then last summer, we've seen something happen last summer with Diogo where it's the most tragic thing I've ever seen and nobody should have to deal with such a tragedy as that. And I just think we're so fickle with him football
Starting point is 00:28:00 because then last summer everybody's then saying, it doesn't matter what happens this season. He's still got Liverpool champion. league football, he still had to deal with what he had to deal with at the start of last season is, I can't even get my head round, what he had to deal with his team, with the club, with the loss of the yoga. And now all of a sudden, we're in a situation where Liverpool are sounding out here iiola before they get rid of slots. If that's the case, I don't know whether that's the case and I'm not putting that out there, but what I'm saying is I just feel a little bit uncomfortable
Starting point is 00:28:23 with the whole thing and I don't know what the lads have been like inside the dressing room either, so it seems like the thing the harmony isn't right within the dressing room, that's the thing we're reading coming out of Liverpool at the minute, but it just makes me a little bit of uncomfortable if I'm honest, Chappas. I just ask you guys as players and ex-players, what you make of kind of the parting shot from Sala because it felt to me on the outside as a journalist looking in, it felt as if this guy's kind of decided my time's up,
Starting point is 00:28:52 I'm going to make sure his time's up as well with some of those messages he's been putting out. I don't know if that's too strong, but do you feel like it's the place of a player, even a star player, to be that public and that strong about the direction of a team under a manager. I thought that was a bit of snaky behaviour, wasn't it? For all those reasons, really.
Starting point is 00:29:17 He's at a brilliant career, Salaf, you know, at Liverpool and is adored by the Liverpool fans. And clearly there'd been a fallout. And he couldn't wait to put the boot in. And I thought it was completely... unnecessary. You know, I really didn't. And that, you know, that certainly doesn't sit right with me. And, you know, Liverpool fans had started to turn anyway
Starting point is 00:29:44 because of how much they adored Sala, that probably didn't help the situation as well. So, yeah, I thought Sala was so far out of order. And the players in the dressing room, for me, I don't think anyway, being a current player within a dress room now, if I see one of our better players doing that, you think, you're killing us here a little bit.
Starting point is 00:30:03 it's not helping us this situation. We've not had a great season. The season's gone how it has. We're now in a situation where obviously the manager's under pressure and that's just not helping at all in the slightest. So being a current player in the dress room, I don't think it's the way to go about. I think he knows what he's doing because he knows what the
Starting point is 00:30:19 Liverpool fans are like with Mohammed Tassali. Absolutely adore. And rightly so, by the way, because of the career he's had there, but I think there's a way to go about it myself personally. I mean, do you think that whilst a lot of things have gone against him, and that when I say gone against him, that is most definitely not to minimise
Starting point is 00:30:36 what happened last summer with Diogo Jotta. But then on top of that, the injuries that they have suffered, the players that came in, which he must have had a say in, but it feels like it's slightly imbalanced the squad in certain areas. But at the same time, because he wasn't clop, he was always on the back foot. Yeah, 100%. And I think that's definitely gone against them.
Starting point is 00:31:01 I think the ownership there, whoever, it is making decisions Richard Hughes and people at the football club have obviously looked at what's got what's got spent. He's obviously had a big say in what's got spent and Liverpool have obviously finished where they have in the Premier League and the season hasn't been. So it's obviously been a big factor in it but it's also been a big factor in why Liverpool have struggled. It's hard to gel them sort of players into this team, big profile players who you expect to come in firing straight away. It's really, really tough and listen that's what I'll go back to when I say chap is about football moves really fast. We all forget really quickly about
Starting point is 00:31:33 what goes on and what happens because all of a sudden you're just seeing what goes on on a Saturday on the pitch and you're not playing well enough, they're doing this, they're doing that, they're doing this, and Liverpool haven't been good enough. Of course, and for Liverpool's standards, Liverpool wants to be challenging for the Premier League every single season and that's not being the case. So if you're solely doing it off that on its own, then okay you've made the decision.
Starting point is 00:31:49 But I just think you've got to look deeper than this on what he's been dealing with this season. Do you think I raola will be the right replacement, Chris? Um, just, I mean, I don't know. Will he be the right replacement? you know, what is he taking over? You know, he's taking over, you know, an enormous club with talent of players. What's the expectation at Liverpool is to challenge at the top end of Europe
Starting point is 00:32:15 and at the top end of the Premier League? If you look at the job he's done at Bournemouth, was it 12th, 9th, 6th. Mo Salad, you know, he talked about, didn't he? Juergen Klopp and heavy metal football, you know, the way that Bournemouth play, I mean, they, you know, they are quite direct. And Liverpool were, you know, quite direct under Yergen Klopp. So, yeah, you know, I think he's a very talented manager who has earned the right through his experiences.
Starting point is 00:32:47 And with respect to Bournemouth and when he was in Spain, was at Valacano. They, you know, were, you know, not big clubs. This is, this is, you know, an enormous step for him. But he's, you know, he's done the hard job. and earn the right. But it's, you know, it's a difficult time to take over. But in some ways, you're better off taking over
Starting point is 00:33:13 when the team has had a bit of a stinker the previous season. And by Liverpool standards, this season has been a bit of a stinker. The stat are not great when you look at managers within the Premier League who then step up to manage a big six team. So there are nine that have done it since 2010. Hodgson, Rogers, Moyes, Pochitino, Lampard, Noon, Potter, Moresca and Thomas Frank. And out of all of those, only two managed to stay in the job for over 100 matches. And that was Brendan Rogers when he went from Swansea to Liverpool
Starting point is 00:33:51 and Pocetino when he went from Southampton to Spurs. Yeah, and I think that's what a lot of people think about, about these managers who've stepped up to these clubs and found it tough and it will be tough, of course, it'll be tough because the expectation at Bournemouth compared to Liverpool is completely different. I look at it two ways. Is it just down, sorry, Conner,
Starting point is 00:34:08 is it just down to expectation? Because you started your career at Liverpool, you've played at Wolves, you've played at Everton, you've been at different size clubs with different expectations within the Premier League. Is it simply expectation? I think it's expectation. I think, yeah, I think a massive part of it is expectation, mate,
Starting point is 00:34:27 because Bormmouth, for example, I've punched above the weight this season, haven't they? So what he's done with Bormouth has been incredible. It's been fantastic. And I was going to say that I've loved, I love the way he's been given an opportunity because I look at some other managers in the Premier League doing ever so well.
Starting point is 00:34:41 You look at someone like Hurt. You look at Keith Andrews. Now it is doing unbelievably well. I'd love to see these managers go up and get this opportunity. But when you're reading out stats like that, clubs will look at them stats and go, I'm not so sure because can they make that jump to a bigger club? So I'm hoping he goes in there and flies and does really well
Starting point is 00:34:57 because then you'll say other managers do well. But I think I'm a huge part of it, Chappas, is expectation. Bournemouth aren't expected to go and win the Premier League. Liverpool is expected next season, and the only area area if he takes the Liverpool job, is expected to go and win the Premier League in year one. 100% because of the money they spent last summer. Maybe the money they're going to spend this summer.
Starting point is 00:35:15 Adam might tell us different. I don't know. But he's going to be expected to go and win the Premier League, and it's a huge difference compared to Bowman. Well, I think you want to make the point, Adam, don't you, that Liverpool fans will also expect their team to have the ball. Well, yeah, I think that's true. I think Chris is right that Liverpool are maybe more direct traditionally than a Man City or a Chelsea perhaps even or an Arsenal historically with anger.
Starting point is 00:35:42 But Iri-a-older teams for the last three years haven't usually had most of the ball in a game. And that is unusual for Liverpool. It's not saying that Liverpool need to have 70% of the ball, but it's gone up for Ballmiff. So it was 43% in his first season, 48% in his second season, 50% last season. Now that might just be because the players aren't as good and that's the only way that you can go and really go and win the game. But I think Liverpool will probably need that to be 55 to 60,
Starting point is 00:36:16 you know, for them to control games in the way that you need to and not give up chances. So I think that is a significant thing. thing and that's a stylistic thing that he's going to have to change. The other thing I wonder about him, and I think he's an amazing coach. I've interviewed him last summer, incredibly impressive guy, is the pace and intensity at which his teams play. We've seen how that works when you've got one game a week in a Premier League season.
Starting point is 00:36:44 How does that work when you're in four competitions and you're in, you know, the eight Champions League group stage games? We've seen a lot of teams, you know, you look at what happened to Liverpool this season. over that kind of winter period. Man City last season as well, or now two seasons ago, isn't it, when they barely won a game for about 13 games with all those Champions League midweeks.
Starting point is 00:37:06 That's something I'd be worried about. And also, Bournemouth picks up a lot of injuries as well. That was even with one game a week. So I'm curious to see how he adapts to that. I think he's capable of it. Let me expand on that then, because Antoine Semenio spoke to Sky earlier this season along those lines.
Starting point is 00:37:25 He said, at the start, I'll be honest, I didn't see it. He had his way of playing. It was very new to us, like the way he structured the weeks. We didn't really have any days off. It's very hard for a team going from having Wednesday and Sunday off to no days off. We'd play Saturday, train on Sunday, you're hanging, your legs are gone, you're doing possession, you have to run around, and you're thinking, oh dear. It was very different at the start.
Starting point is 00:37:49 Results weren't going our way, and the fans were saying they needed to be sacked. Then we beat Burnley at home and everything changed. we got used to the system and we just went up from there. But if you followed that train of thought, then pre-season will be massive for them because as Adam says, once the Champions League comes in,
Starting point is 00:38:06 he isn't going to be able to do what he did there, is he? No, of course, not with the amount of games. He's going to have to obviously restructure his week again where he's going to have to obviously put in the Champions League games. But I think that might be another decision as to why Liverpool have done it now really early. So if Andonia he'll get it within the next week now, the next couple of days, as obviously we're reading,
Starting point is 00:38:23 he's got a lot of time to prepare and a lot of time to plan for what's obviously going to come his way come next season, whether that's pre-season, going into the season, the games he's going to have within the Champions League,
Starting point is 00:38:32 I think it's a big factor. And listen, these are all good things that Antoine Samuel was talking there when he was there. That's a good thing. Look at where Bournemouth find themselves are now. When a new manager comes in and brings fresh ideas,
Starting point is 00:38:42 as a player, Chris will tell you as well. You're desperate to do well, you're desperate to take it on board. I agree with Adam. I think Liverpool have to have the ball. I think that's going to be different because I think Liverpool and Amfield have to have the ball.
Starting point is 00:38:51 and it's going to be really interesting how if it is going to be heavy metal football we see someone like Florian Verz who's just been signed for over 100 million how are you going to get him into that system of playing heavy metal football when he's more of a pocket player receives on the half turn, drives forward,
Starting point is 00:39:06 links to play, he's good on the ball. So he's got all these things to cater in but it's a massive plus that they've got him here or if they get him early that he's got a long time to prepare for it. Thank God for Burnley. I mean that result getting him off the year.
Starting point is 00:39:21 I always think the no days off thing, Connor. I mean that doesn't go down well as well. Not when you're losing Chris, like he wasn't at the start. And then double sessions, of course, to translate from footballer speak
Starting point is 00:39:40 is just a normal day's work. Yeah, but it's not. I mean, it is. I've had this argument with several footballers in the past. Double session is just a day's work. If you add it together, it's probably half a day of work.
Starting point is 00:39:58 If you just do the sessions. Yeah, but can I just make the point that it is physical and it is tiring and maybe yourself and Adam wouldn't understand that. But, you know, sometimes if you work hard, you need to lie down. Good shout, Chris. At a time. So there is that aspect. No, but he'll go in and, you know, he'll coaches as always.
Starting point is 00:40:21 coach. Do you think demeanour is important and how he handles himself is important? Because Slot, through no fault of his own, was not the same kind of effervescent character that Klopp was. And if you aren't that character, it's very hard to them
Starting point is 00:40:38 manufacture the sort of that passion and rousing and so on and so forth. Do you think it's important at Liverpool to have that person personality. 100% even more so at that club chappers,
Starting point is 00:40:54 even more so at that club. They feed off the manager. The manager at Liverpool is the most important figure at the football club by an absolute country mile. He's a god when it comes to that football club. It's different at different football clubs. Football clubs look at players
Starting point is 00:41:07 and some players might be the hero or certain players might be the hero. At Liverpool it's the manager. And you have to have a rapport with the supporters. You have to have this feeling that supporters can look at you and know you're going to make that change to play. And it's the same for the players, by the way. I'm the same now as a player.
Starting point is 00:41:21 When a manager comes in or you've got a manager, you want him to be uplifting and you want him to be loud, you want him to be energetic. And not all managers like that, and I completely get it. And some good managers aren't like that either, by the way. But I'm just saying when you're at that football club, I feel like you need to have that.
Starting point is 00:41:34 I had I mentioned it before about what Mohammed Salah said, about heavy metal football. He needs to be on the front foot constantly to get the best out of that football club for me. From your experience interviewing him, do you think he'll have that, Adam? Yeah, I think he's really charismatic. I don't know if people saw maybe Liverpool fans can go and look for it.
Starting point is 00:41:49 He did a speech on the, pitch at the end of Bournemouth's final game of the season. The other thing that I think Liverpool as a club will really like about him is when I was talking to him about how he felt about Bournemouth had lost half their team last summer. They'd lost almost their entire defence and their goalkeeper. And the club had just recruited him new players. So they sold Kirkaz and they got Truffery in for maybe seven or eight million. It was fantastic signing as well.
Starting point is 00:42:18 And I said, how do you feel about that? Are you involved? And his view on it was, I'm just an assistant for those who are signing the players. My view on recruitment is I'm not across all of these different leagues in the way that would be necessary to sign them. My expertise is a coach. I trust the people in recruitment to do that job. And I think for Liverpool, when you think of that, Michael Edwards, Richard Hughes, Julian Ward World, where that was one of the issues they had with Klopp, and probably one of the reasons why they left previously.
Starting point is 00:42:50 I think that will appeal to Liverpool. It will give the club more control. You've got that smile on your face, Chris, which suggests him as sarcastic is coming, so I was just leaving the space. Always a bit sceptical with stuff like that, you know, happy with the players coming in. Give him a year and a sixth place finish in his first season
Starting point is 00:43:10 and he'll be saying, well, I need to sign the players myself. Who are these recruitment buffoons? They don't know what they're doing. Chris Lus and Conocoady, Adam Crafton on the Monday Night Club, let's turn our attention to the World Cup and they've made some late law changes. So 11 days to go to a World Cup.
Starting point is 00:43:30 What is it 10 days? Is it 10 days, Dale Johnson? I think it's 10, yeah. It's 10, isn't it? Anyhow, welcome, thank you. Football issues correspondent with us. Before we go into them, why do they always make law changes
Starting point is 00:43:44 before the biggest tournament every four years. I don't think we've ever seen anything like this before, nothing quite like this. Obviously we get tweaks before major tournaments, but there are so many things
Starting point is 00:43:56 for this World Cup, so many things for people to keep up with that they're not going to realise has changed until we see it happening in a match. Also, you've come in here without any notes, so do you know all of them
Starting point is 00:44:06 or am I meant to read these out? I pretty much know all of them. All right. Because there are a lot. I mean, most of them, most of them are designed at trying to speed the game up, aren't they?
Starting point is 00:44:17 Yeah, so the idea is, as we saw in the last couple of World Cups, we had so much added time in these games, 10, 12, 15 minutes. So FIFA's idea is that if they reduce the amount of stoppages in the rest of the game, there won't be as much added time. Now, of course, we're going to get three minutes every half anyway, due to the hydration break, which is going to be great. But what we've got instead is we've got a countdown for 10 seconds on goal, kicks and throwings.
Starting point is 00:44:41 And if you take too long, then possession will change. And then that's not going to be as soon as you get the ball, you've got 10 seconds. it's really about when players are taking too long. Long throws aren't kind of a 10 second. But if a team starts to take liberties with time, then the referee will start a countdown. A really interesting one is substitutes.
Starting point is 00:44:59 Substitutes have 10 seconds to leave the pitch. If don't leave it in that time, then the substitute can't come on for at least a minute. And we saw this in an international friendly today, where between Japan and Iceland, and Iceland didn't take a substitute off in time. And so the substitute couldn't come on. and this was in the 807th minute
Starting point is 00:45:16 and in that time Japan scored so we've already seen because the international offenders are using these rules to get used to them so we're just seen in one of the first games a team score a goal against 10 men and another thing we might see this as well with the 60 seconds off the field on an injury
Starting point is 00:45:33 players our team's playing with 10 players is going to really hamper them at times I think and I know that PGMO we're against 60 seconds in the Premier League but we're going to have that in English football next season So the injury... What if the player has cramp?
Starting point is 00:45:48 What if they make a... And a player has, like, severe cramp because they're a little bit dehydrated and they're on the far side of the pitch and they're, you know, playing Brazil and the Brazil fans are all on the fold surrounding... I mean, that's ridiculous, isn't it?
Starting point is 00:46:04 So if a player... Is there going to be any slack cut or... If a player's got an injury, a visible injury, then the limit won't apply for obvious reasons. And also, they are expanding or supposedly being more firm on the fact that when you have an injury, you should leave the field at the nearest point. And because obviously a World Cup shouldn't have any security issues,
Starting point is 00:46:23 that should not be a problem. The players should be able to leave in a quick and orderly manner. Is cramp an injury? Well, they could argue that you can't move fast to get off the pitch. So if you're going off as a player to be substituted, you can go off anywhere on the pitch. Anywhere on the perimeter, yeah. If you go down with an injury and are treated,
Starting point is 00:46:43 but an opposition player isn't booked for a foul. Is that right? That's right, yeah. Then you have to go off the pitch for 60 seconds. Yeah, 60 seconds. What happens if that's a... Is that even if it's a head injury? No, concussion doesn't count.
Starting point is 00:46:57 There are a few exemptions. If two players collide with each other, like you say, if there's a disciplinary action or certain factors like that. But for the most part, it will be that if you go down and you need treatment, then you have to go for 60 seconds. Now, the interesting twist for this is the goalkeeper tactical timeout,
Starting point is 00:47:17 which we've heard about all season. Leeds manager Daniel Farke, who was very angry against Manchester City early this season. So FIFA are going to ban the goalkeeper tactical timeout. So that's when the goalkeeper goes down injured, but there's nothing wrong with them, and then all the outfield players run over to the bench. Exactly, yeah. So FIFA has said that the referees are going to enforce
Starting point is 00:47:37 that the players cannot go over to the touchline to receive instructions. Now, the problem with this is it only solves. part of the problem because this is also used to break momentum. So you're still going to see goalkeepers go down in the 90th minute to stop the opposition attacking because they can do it and you don't need to go for a tactical team talk. You're achieving what you want to achieve by stopping the momentum of the game. The referee will what, move towards the technical areas like a bouncer at a club to stop outfield players going to their coaches?
Starting point is 00:48:08 This is the whole question. We had a briefing with Pierre-Louisie Kalina on Friday and I specifically, specifically asked, can you take disciplinary action to, if they go over and have this team talk? And they said no. Kalina said we had a brief with all 48 coaches and they understand the situation. But there is no disciplinary reaction. So what's going to happen when all these players decide they want to go and have this team talk? They are, of course, going to have a natural team talk twice a match now anyway with the hydration breaks.
Starting point is 00:48:35 Well, I've seen an image of that from the USA friendly where there was a hydration break. and Mauritza Pochitin had got his laptop out and the whole of the USA team stood around looking at analysis on the laptop. So that will replace that. Exactly, yeah. We are still going to have this tactical timeout but maybe not at the opportune moment
Starting point is 00:48:57 that a coach might want it to say when his team's been reduced to 10 men and he wants to redo the formation of the tactics. He won't be able to do it at that specific point. It will only be during that three-minute hydration prick. I was going to ask about the goalkeeper one to be honest, but is it too many? Are we thinking, is it too many
Starting point is 00:49:12 Do you think? Do you think we're at a point where we're going This is a bit silly now. I actually feel quite sorry for the referee here because it strikes me that they have a The countdown, is that an actual Like a clock in the stadium countdown For a goal kicker or throwing? No, it's just going to be
Starting point is 00:49:29 It's not going to make it up with his fingers, is it? Well actually You say that, Chris. You say that, but what it's going to be, it's going to be like the goalkeeper when he catches the ball at the moment. The eight seconds. The eight second one, yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:40 the referee's going to monitor it and if he feels like they're taking too longer the goal kick or the throw in then he'll raise his hand and do the five second countdown for the last few seconds. I was worrying about the eight second one at first to be honest with your chap. When we first got briefed on that in the NFL, we got briefed on it
Starting point is 00:49:56 and I was sat there going, I asked a million questions I was going nah, can't be the case, Robes if we're winning. You want to waste a bit of time or whatever and that was to get rid of. And I actually think it's worked quite well. I actually think it's worked quite well. So I'm hoping this will probably be similar but it just seems like an awful lot.
Starting point is 00:50:12 So the one I don't get, I'm trying to work it out, so the one, so a player gets injured and he has to sit, he has to, he has to take it off for 60 seconds. I mean,
Starting point is 00:50:23 there's going to be such a rough World Cup. You're going to want to really hurt the opposition then, so you have the advantage, aren't you? No, because then you'll get booked. Then you'll get booked if you do that. Yeah, but if you're sly, there's a lot of sly players. I mean, Connor, you know,
Starting point is 00:50:35 what's a lot of players, you know, Slides, you know, standing on people, If you know the opposition's going off for a minute, I mean, that doesn't seem right. That really seems... I mean, that's odd that. I think one thing we've got to say here is the reason why all these rules are coming in
Starting point is 00:50:51 is because players and coaches are trying to find every which way to get an advantage around the rules. And it's got to the point where so much time he's been wasted on goal, kicks, throwings, injuries, etc. That they felt that the only way they can tackle it is to bring in these new regulations. and you're absolutely right, the referee is going to spend most of the game counting
Starting point is 00:51:11 and they are actually making decisions. Or trying to stop people going over to the bench. Are you, you shaking your head out, Adam? Just everything. Well, all of it, because it's just too much stuff to expect people to just sort of come to terms with 10 days before a tournament.
Starting point is 00:51:26 But also, it's also because FIFA are worried, I presume, that their games are going to last too long for the people who are putting this on television. Right? Because if you now add in your three minutes, in each half for the hydration breaks, the 15 minutes at the end of each half that they were adding on at the end of the World Cup
Starting point is 00:51:46 games last time around, plus possibly extra time and penalties. The games are going to start lasting quite a long time unless they clamp down on some of this time wasting stuff. So that's probably also part of what they're thinking is they will be worried about some of this stuff overrunning, I think, for broadcasters. Because there's likely to be more VAR.
Starting point is 00:52:07 Because we haven't even got on to, We haven't even got on to that. Oh, joy. Exactly. And there's now three new areas of VAR to take into account, which means it's going to make extra time there. So if we cover that, basically, there's now going to be VAR checks on corners,
Starting point is 00:52:22 only corners, not goal kicks, and they will make sure that that's the right decision. But... Hang on. Sorry, sorry. So, geez. So if the ball goes out for a corner, they will check it is a corner. Every corner.
Starting point is 00:52:35 Every corner. But if the ball's gone out for a goal kick, They won't check whether it might have been the corner. Correct. Okay. Dale, sorry, can you explain this? Hang on, Adam. I always feel halfway through any conversation we have with Dale.
Starting point is 00:52:52 It's important to point out that he doesn't work for FIFA, UEFA, IFAB, PGMOL, or anybody else. Anyhow, go on. Sorry, I've seen sort of flicks of this one today, but maybe you can explain it funny. There's also seems to be some rule that if an offence takes place by an attacking player before a corner is in play, that that will be penalised by the referee. Is that correct via VAR? Yeah, so that's the fun one that was announced on Friday. Pierre Luigi Kalina was very proud of it because Kalina is absolutely desperate to have anything
Starting point is 00:53:31 that can be fixed by VAR, fixed by VAR. And so what he's looking at here is take the English. University of Uruguay in March when there was a blocking when they used that as the example that was the example and that happened before the corner was taken so the VAR could not disallow the goal
Starting point is 00:53:45 now they're saying that if that does happen in future the VAR can step in and say there was a foul that had a material impact on the outcome of the goal and they can intervene and disallow the goal but restart with the corner but if there's a defender doing that they're not going to intervene in any way Oh, hang on.
Starting point is 00:54:07 Good news for Connor. You've done me a little bit there. Can you say that? I actually think that's a good one. So I always say, it's like, referee. If I'm playing the game and someone's grabbed me, and I hate it when a referee comes over and go, stop that.
Starting point is 00:54:22 Like your kids, just blow your whistle. Give a file. Do you know what I mean? You get that much blocking now in the box. You get that much stuff. And I always just say to a referee, just blow your whistle. But it only worked, but it should work both ways. Yeah, both ways.
Starting point is 00:54:32 So you just said if it works. So they're staying true to the, the fact that you can't give a foul when the ball's not in play. Okay. Which is why when it's a goal scored, it's a corner retake, not a free kick to the defence. And obviously for the same logic, they can't give a penalty. And we saw in Tottenham versus Chelsea, there was an incident when someone was holding. But he released before the ball came in play, so they couldn't give a penalty.
Starting point is 00:54:54 And that will still be the same case. If there's a holding by a defender, the ball's then kicked. There's no penalty or no sanction. Okay. And then the other VAR thing, the, the community. review second yellows now. Yeah, so they can review second yellow's given, but not potential second yellow.
Starting point is 00:55:13 So if you're on a yellow card... Oh my good, good. And you commit a potential second yellow card, therefore a red card. They won't look at that. But if you've been sent off for a second yellow, they will have a look at that. But they're saying that the second jella
Starting point is 00:55:25 has got to be wrong as soon as you look at it. If it's a foul, then they're given the second jello, they're not going to rescind the second jello for that. It's got to be not a foul to have that card removed. Do you think all of these will last the whole tournament? Or do you think they'll, I don't know, because this happens, doesn't it? They'll get 10 days in and think, we may need to change that. These are not only just for this tournament, they are in the laws of the game,
Starting point is 00:55:52 so they will be in the Premier League next season. Well, all of them? All of them, apart from the corners, which is a competition opt-in, which the Premier League won't opt-in because no one wants to see every single corner reviewed and another competition opt-in which we haven't covered yet is players covering their mouths
Starting point is 00:56:12 and getting sent off so other than that everything else we've talked about so far will be in the Premier League and the EFL next season I mean plenty of messages on this
Starting point is 00:56:26 Dave in Durham we need to go to just using a stopwatch start and stop it cuts out all the nonsense David in Manchester I think we need to be aware of what we're doing ultimately it should just be the referees
Starting point is 00:56:39 who should be stronger and tougher on time wasting we don't need to legislate for every eventuality and the other one which I do kind of see the point here from Bob if they just allowed players to be treated while the game continues which does happen in other sports such as rugby
Starting point is 00:56:56 has anybody asked what would be the issue with that I think they're just concerned with the impact on things like offside if a defender's down injured. Obviously, you could say if a defender's getting treatment, they don't count for offside, but they're just worried about the impact on the game in terms of where the game might be being played
Starting point is 00:57:13 and things like offside. What do you mean with that? What for physio cleared, we're off the line. I was going to say, are you on about... Hang on a minute, chappas. What's going on here? Are you talking about players playing around a physio on the pitch? Why she treats an injured player? No, no, chappas, that can't happen.
Starting point is 00:57:29 Not on the line, obviously, because that would be a bit... What are just certain areas? Well, you would have to use... It's not the same game. You'd have to use your common sense. But I can see an argument for trying it. I mean, you're moaning about it getting more complicated. You're complicating things.
Starting point is 00:57:45 You're putting more people on the pitch? No, I'm putting one person on the pitch. The club doctor having an assist in the game. I mean, anything can happen there. Why do you have to take everything to an extreme example that just would not happen? But that could happen. It just would not happen that way. But it could happen.
Starting point is 00:58:00 It couldn't. You're not going to allow a physio to come on to treat some. and it bounce off his head and go into the net. I'm not allowing that. You're allowing that. I'm not. You use your common sense. That's it for this episode of the Monday nightclub. The next Football Daily will look back at France 98 and we'll be available to download on Tuesday.
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