Football Daily - PL Review: Tudor to go? Everton for Europe? Chelsea in free fall?

Episode Date: March 22, 2026

Former Premier League goalkeeper Tim Krul joins Aaron Paul and Luke Edwards to debate and analyse the weekend’s key talking points.Will Wembley victory really be enough to power Manchester City to t...itle success, with a nine-point gap to leaders and defeated finalists Arsenal?Who’s becoming the stand-out candidate for the Manager of the Season award? Which veteran striker is ‘aging like a fine wine’? And is Virgil van Dijk at the start of a decline?Those questions and plenty more answered, as well as detailed discussion of Tottenham Hotspur’s relegation battle, Newcastle’s struggles under Eddie Howe and increasing fan pressure and plenty more.TIMECODES 01:30 What does City’s League Cup final mean for the title race? 03:00 Kepa’s horror relationship with Wembley 04:30 How impressive was this from City? 09:00 Spurs fans back the team, but the team don’t show up! 10:00 Are there similarities between Spurs now and Krul’s Newcastle in 2010? 11:10 What is Igor Tudor doing? What do Spurs do next? 19:24 Sunderland do the double over Newcastle — is Howe under pressure? How big will their rebuild be? 29:00 Should Danny Welbeck have been in the England squad? 36:20 What’s wrong with Liverpool? 41:00 Everton set for European football? 44:19 Is Chelsea’s model failing their own managers?

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This BBC podcast is supported by ads outside the UK. To embrace the impossible requires a vehicle that pushes what's possible. Defender 110 boasts a towing capacity of 3,500 kilograms, a weighting depth of 900 millimetres and a roof load up to 300 kilograms. Learn more at Landrover.ca. The Football Daily Podcast, Premier League Review, with Aaron Paul. Hello and welcome to the Premier League Review. What a weekend of football.
Starting point is 00:00:33 we have had Derby's Cup finals, games that feel like Cup finals surprises some excellent goals and naturally that Tottenham implosion. We will talk Manchester City's victory in the League Cup final and what that means for the title race. Everton's bid for European Football, the relegation battle
Starting point is 00:00:50 and what Spurs have to do in the international break. Sunderlander in the double over Newcastle, Danny well bet for England, Chelsea's failure and much more. Loads to get into and we do it in the company of the former Premier League goalkeeper Tim Crawley, who retired last year, is starting a new career as a sporting director.
Starting point is 00:01:09 Tim, welcome. Thank you. What a time to have you as well on Time Weird Derby weekend. Someone who was at that game, this lunchtime is the Telegraph's Northern Football Writer, Luke, and Luke, the game wasn't the worst part of your day, was it? Well, I'm neutral in the game, so first of all, but I had to dash back to watch.
Starting point is 00:01:32 the Carabelle Cup final. I hadn't eaten since breakfast and I went to a supermarket on a Sunday and I got a reduced to clear plain cheese sandwich for lunch. It felt like a low. That's not good. It was 63P though. It tastes better when it's cheaper. It does and 63. I don't think you can go, well, I don't think you can go wrong for 63P. I think I was as close to going wrong as you can get. Great to have you both with us. Let's stop with what we've just seen. The League Cup final, Wembley, Manchester City beating Arsenal by two goals. Now, two Nico Riley goals to nil as well. Plenty of reaction across the BBC Sport website. Let's look at it from sort of a Premier League perspective. Incredibly, it was the first time the top two have ever faced each other in a
Starting point is 00:02:15 league cup final. What will that do for the title race, Luke? It's a huge psychological blow to Arsenal and obviously a big boost to Manchester City, but where it's really damaging for Arsenal, I think, is they've got this bottler's tag, haven't they? They've won one major trophy under Mikhail Artetta. There was talk of them being on for the quadruple before the game, but actually when it came to the crunch at Wembley, they were second best and deservedly lost. So that will inflame all of those talking points in the weeks ahead.
Starting point is 00:02:44 But they have got a sizable lead at the top of the Premier League. I still think they're very much in pole position to go and win the title. But obviously they've got to play Manchester City. The way Manchester City outplayed them, I did say before the game that whoever won the Carabal Cup would go on to win the league, so I'll probably have to stick with that. Don't know why I'm just going to be talking waffle and no one will ever believe a word I'd say. So I think it is a huge blow for Arsenal,
Starting point is 00:03:08 and I just think it just raises those really awkward questions for Mikhail Artetta and his team. I thought they were at their worst in terms of style and approach, overly reliant on set pieces. They stopped playing, they invited pressure from Manchester City and paid the price for it. And what a day for Nicky O'Reilly, though? The Niccoe O'Reilly Cup final is it forever been known. From a goalkeeper's perspective, and I know you're still very much part of the union,
Starting point is 00:03:32 you never ever lose your membership. What is it with Keppa and League Cup finals? 2019, you think back to it, the whole issue with Mauritio Sarie and him refusing to be substituted off. He sent his penalty over in 2022, and then it was his sort of mistake in this one that allowed Nico Riley to break the deadlock. It's not a happy place for Keppa at Wembley, to say the least.
Starting point is 00:03:54 mistake changes the game. It's obviously these kind of moments, individual mistakes, are so costly, and especially against a team like Man City. You can't do stuff like that. But again, going back to Arsenal there, they're unbeaten in 14. So clearly it's about how they react to this loss. Yes, the nerves are clearly there because obviously they've been that close the last few years. But if they just keep the cool in the next few weeks, the reaction, how the club reacts is going to be so important. And then again, they still have got Man City away in April. So clearly that game is going to be huge, I think, for the title. I think what you mentioned there about Keppa and Wembley being in an unhappy place from, I had a wild stat on five live. Ian Dennis, with Matt Upsen
Starting point is 00:04:38 on the commentary and Ian Dennis turning around saying that Kepper had lost five domestic cut finals. Well, now you can make that one six. Focusing on that game, four weeks today, I believe it is. Manchester City taking on Arsenal in the Premier League. Are we looking at a time? title showdown in four weeks time. Absolutely we are. Yeah, I mean, that was Clinton who made that point, and I thought it was a really interesting one. I think the only saving grace for Arsenal is,
Starting point is 00:05:02 as I said, they do have that cushion, Aaron. They do have a lead. It is in their own hands. And look, this was the least important of the four prizes that they have on offer left. If they win the Premier League title in May, there isn't going to be an Arsenal fan who dwells or even really cares about losing at Wembley today.
Starting point is 00:05:20 But it's just psychologically, the way they were outplayed in the same, second half and look that that was really really good from Manchester City they'd had a bad week let's not forget they were knocked out the Champions League by Real Madrid they dropped more points in the title race so they they there were big questions being asked and you could easily unravel but the way they were in the second half the way they dominated territory the way they kept the ball they made the way they made Arsenal work they made it really hard for Arsenal to play through their press that will absolutely delight
Starting point is 00:05:48 pep Guardiola and having done that at Wembley that will then obviously make them favourites to win that game at the Etty had as well. So it's really fascinating what it's done. And Tim's absolutely right. It's all about Arsenal's reaction to this. They've had setbacks before this season and responded really, really well to them. Well, it was Manchester City who responded really well today. And looking at Pep Guardiola's celebrations, we don't know if this is his last season in the Premier League. There has been some hinting that it could be. He keeps denying it. He said he's got one year left on his contract. But the way he celebrated that trophy, he may as well have won the Champions League. It's like he's celebrating his first trophy as Manchester City
Starting point is 00:06:26 manager, and that is just the hunger of an elite winner. There's something about Pep Guardiola today, the passion, as Luke said, and the way City played as well with Ake and Kusinov at the back as well, they were missing bodies at the back. They had to be really disciplined, but they, you know, they pounced when they needed to, and that's what proper, a drilled squad's all about, a very well coached teams all about and fundamentally a group of winners is all about. They know when to strike when the irons are. You're talking about a manager
Starting point is 00:07:00 who won the Premier League six out of nine or ten years. So you can never ride off Man City. And you could see, Guadio the last few weeks, he's been so animated on the sidelines. He's seen it at Newcastle the other day where he was jumping up and down. He obviously didn't win any trophy's last season.
Starting point is 00:07:15 So the pressure was on, if you can say that, this season. So for him to get this one over the line, early doors. It's a good position to be for City because the pressure is on Arsenal and chasing the pack, chasing Arsenal now is probably easier for City. And they'd be hunting them till the final whistle. And like I mentioned before, that game in four weeks is going to be huge. And missing Mark Gehty today, I thought they were going to be having a big issue at the back, but they were solid. Trafford coming in was a bit of a
Starting point is 00:07:42 talking point. We're leaving Donnarum out clearly. I think he's unbelievable. I think it was three saves in the first 10 minutes in a row. Fair play. You know, in Guadiola, hopefully it's not his last season because I think he's a credit to the Premier League. And what an amazing quality legend to have in the Premier League. If this is goodbye for Pep Guardiola, Luke, oh, it's going to be some ride for the next six or so weeks. Yeah, and we need it, Aaron. We need that excitement.
Starting point is 00:08:09 We don't want a procession. We want storylines. You want tension. We want drama. And as I said, this, this again, just raises those awkward questions for Arsenal. They hate the bottle of jibes. They hate the second again, Ola, Ola, but well, the finishers runners up in the Carabelle Cup final. That means they're second again.
Starting point is 00:08:25 So it just starts that narrative up. And look, Arsenal fans won't like that. They won't like them my choice of language there, but that's what it's created. And we need that drama. We need an end-of-season showdown. And Arsenal have fallen short going to Manchester City in previous years. Now they've got a chance to go there. And if they're going to win the title, if they win at the Etihad, they'll win the title.
Starting point is 00:08:45 I can pretty confidently say that. So there's still so much for them both to play for. but I agree with Tim as well there that because City are just behind them all that pressure is on Arsenal to stay ahead of the pack to stay in the lead to not drop more points to not slip up to not bottle it again and as I say
Starting point is 00:09:02 they've left themselves open to those accusations by losing the Carabar Cup final today but it's a great storyline it's really really really good for us in the media absolutely as mentioned there's plenty more reaction to this on the BBC Sport website and app
Starting point is 00:09:18 onto the Premier League itself and a Baddale Ram for North London. Tottenham's fans cancelled anti-ownership protest to show their support to the team on what was supposed to be a big day for them, a classic six-pointer. The support was great, the performance was not. They were beaten 3-0 by Nottingham Forest and Spurs is Point at Anfield and then the home win over at Lettico Madrid feels very much like a false dawn. Tim, what did you make of this one? Like you said, it was amazing to see the fans showing that support because they clearly
Starting point is 00:09:48 has been this disconnect for months with the players, players falling out with the fans. And it's never a good sign. And I always feel like that's one of the main, main issues where you've got players arguing or moaning about not being supported. And today, the fans turned up, but the players didn't. Liverpool away, getting that point. Everybody thought, right, that could be the turning point.
Starting point is 00:10:11 Then following it up with Atlatico, beating them. And then probably the biggest game for Tottenham in the last few weeks, They just didn't turn up and what a loss and what a win for for it. Tim, you were part of the Newcast United team that went down in 2009 when everybody assumed they were too good to go down. You had some fantastic players in that squad. Do you see similarities in this Topnam team to the sort of difficulties you have at Newcastle? Yes, I don't think, especially the Premier League, what it is today.
Starting point is 00:10:43 Nobody's too big to go down. You've got the top six, top eight, but anybody under that at the start. the season just looks to get safety in 40 points is that normally that golden number we're talking about but tottenham were closed last year and they had a warning warning signs last year and then obviously the winning the europeal league patched over a few cracks but i mean what a stadium to have in the championship it's everybody's great it's the thought they could be playing lincoln or i mean they will probably be playing lincoln next season if they do get relegated because Lincoln are about to get promoted.
Starting point is 00:11:17 It could happen on Good Friday. But the thought they could play Stevenage next year in the championship is absolutely wild. Let's hone in on the football, though, because, again, multiple changes. I didn't understand that sort of line. What was it? Was it a five? It turned out as a four. Porro playing in midfield.
Starting point is 00:11:36 I do not get it. There's always too many changes. Then at half time, there's two more changes. What's equal to all doing? They showed some grit Midweek against Atlanta go I watched that game thinking they were going to go and get tanked And lo and behold, they didn't
Starting point is 00:11:52 They showed a bit of fight They showed a bit of courage I'm not even looking at the Liverpool game I'm back now looking at this one and thinking What goes through your mind We're all confused Aaron I think it's probably safe to assume That the players are confused as well
Starting point is 00:12:07 Like there's no consistency like you said If you're chopping and changing game to game but then also in the middle of games, moving players around, putting people in positions that they're not necessarily comfortable playing. The attitude, I think, has improved. But is that down to Tudor? Or if the players got a grip to it with themselves in the dressing room and said to each other, as I could probably imagine has been the case,
Starting point is 00:12:32 the leaders in that dressing room has stood up and said, look, we cannot go down, we've got a fight, we've got a scrap. And I'm having looked like a team that I said last weekend, this is how quickly things change, of course, that I could see staying up. up after that battling point against Liverpool to lose at home to Nottingham Forest in an absolute relegation six point pointer claxon going off here but it but it was a relegation six pointer and they've got pumped free nil I mean they start with the monitor doesn't it like you're right
Starting point is 00:12:58 it starts with the manager obviously calling out his own players and and that everything was wrong all season I know from experience if a new manager comes in and starts shouting stop ladat in the first couple weeks you lose your change room you lose your core and then he loses the first five games. Players are looking at each other going, what's this guy on about? Chop changing, tactics changing. Nobody knows where they're standing. And I think this is the biggest problem,
Starting point is 00:13:22 not just the goalkeeping substitution, but the way, the manner, throwing out with Ficario just before the game, the biggest last 16 of the Champions League. Bear in mind, Foucario had six clean sheets out of eight. And then he's dropping his so-called... I thought he's supposed to be injured. Exactly. He's playing again today.
Starting point is 00:13:40 So there's so much going on. And yeah, again, your manager should be the leader and the captain of the ship. But if he starts making confidence, crazy kind of decisions like that, I think you're in trouble. You know, we talk about new manager bounce. This guy's had the new manager bounce of a bowling ball. I mean, genuinely, it is dire straight out there. It is absolutely dire straight out there. And I mean, look, we need to look to the future now.
Starting point is 00:14:08 I've seen an interview with Christian Romero who's talked to Spurs. is in our channel where he's talked about we need to stick together i'm sorry i am sorry that's all we've heard from anyone at spurs over the past few weeks we need to stick together we need to stick together we need the fans turned out for them today yeah the fans turned out tottenham high road was like carnival day it was like they'd won a trophy it was like a procession and yet again the goals are comical they're absolutely comical and you just wonder now i mean first the eagle two apparently he didn't take his, he didn't sort of like perform or conduct his post-match duties because of a family bereavement and we wish him well on that. But the fact is they've got two weeks now to sort themselves out in the international break.
Starting point is 00:14:54 They could do a lot of good work in these two weeks. How long is it going to take them to make the decision? Whether Tudor goes? Yeah. And who comes in? Well, he bought himself more time with the point at Liverpool and the win over at Lethko, Madrid, in the battling display. I don't think you can look at that. They must be in...
Starting point is 00:15:11 You can't look at that. No, I know, I know. They're out of the Champions League. They're out of the Champions League. I know, but what do they stick or twist? I mean, they are paralys. Come on. They are paralysed.
Starting point is 00:15:23 They are paralysed. That's not it. Tim, come on. Tim, wait in. Is he going to go this way? That's not even a question. You're asking me. You're asking me, is he going to go?
Starting point is 00:15:31 I don't know, Aaron. I've got to be honest. I don't know. Because he could have gone at several points already. They could have, there could have been a typical. point weeks ago. There's been so many kilometers performances that
Starting point is 00:15:42 I don't know what the Tottenham hierarchy of thinking. And you made a noise when you described Tottenham earlier as huh? That I was a bit more high pitched than you there, but that is the soundtrack to their season. Like, what is going on? They are a shambles.
Starting point is 00:15:58 They are a complete, not a mess. So I don't know if they're going to sack the manager or were they just going to hope by hook or by crook that the fact that they've shown a bit of fight they can pull themselves over the line. What fight? They were tanked by... They showed a bit of fight at Liverpool.
Starting point is 00:16:12 That was last week. That was last week. They've been tanked today at home in front of 60,000. Forget last week. Last week is in memoriam. But he could have gone several times already. We thought he was going to go several times already up to this point. He's only been there six weeks or whatever.
Starting point is 00:16:28 Two months at most. How do you lose six point and keep your job? I'm not saying, oh, go out and sack him. I'm saying realistically when you think about it. Well, you are. I mean, you are. That is what you're saying. I'm not advocating and saying,
Starting point is 00:16:40 Oh my God, they must sack him. I just find it impossible that he keeps his job. Especially when you've got the international break. You've got the break. You've got a fortnight now to go. To get Harry Rednaut. To get whoever you want.
Starting point is 00:16:54 I'm not saying Harry's the answer. Isn't Harry in South Africa on... I'm a celebrity. I'm sure he'd come back. I'm sure he'd come back. and come up with this guy who's supposed to be this kind of, yeah, he's an impact manager. For me, I've not seen the impact.
Starting point is 00:17:15 And it's actually gone worse ever since he's coming, in my opinion. And like I said, I can only react to interviews. I've seen him do substitutions he's done, obviously with the goalkeeping situation, how he's handled that. Then after that, he's done a couple okay interviews, how much he wants people to show hard
Starting point is 00:17:32 and all the normal kind of comments coming out of the club. But ultimately, today is a big, big, loss and like you say it's not just a six-pointer now they have got sunderland away after the international break again that's not an easy away game so where do you go from this are you clearly they must have thought about it when they sack thomas frank so again do you want to put somebody in there who knows the club how important it is we did it at newcastle where we got alan schirer you know and people but the problem there we only gave them six games so how many games are the left now seven i don't think it's the time to do stuff like that but you need to find some kind of joy back
Starting point is 00:18:08 in confidence, but nobody's going to have any confidence after today's performance. They're playing Russian roulette. They are playing Russian roulette now because the financial implications, the damage done to Tottenham if they go down. And we're making jokes about Lincoln and Stevenage playing there in the championship. The most damning thing you'll say about, they go down. It's not a joke. It's not even a joke.
Starting point is 00:18:27 Well, Tottenham fans certainly aren't laughing. We can laugh a little bit, I think. I think that's fair game. No, I don't. We're a light-hearted podcast. I'm not laughing. The only time, the only time the Tottenham Hotsper Stadium would sell out within the near a championship is for one of the many
Starting point is 00:18:40 concerts or boxing or NFL games that they've got next season. What a damning indictment of a mismanagement management of a football club that would be. I don't know what they do though, Aaron. I gave up trying to understand what's going through the heads of the people running Tottenham. But if they go down,
Starting point is 00:18:56 yeah, sorry, Tim. Sorry, no, sorry. There's four teams there still to go, is there a lead, nothing in the West Ham. And for Tottenham, they have to keep hoping that West Ham are doing worse than them. So it's just one of those, isn't it? That might be their strategy. that might actually just be their strategy that they can somehow just hope
Starting point is 00:19:11 that West Ham are worse than Tottenham and I don't think West Ham are worse than Tottenham. Just looking at the running for Spurs, by the way, just in case anyone's wondering, because I always have those moments when I'm listening to this podcast, for example, another show and I go, hey, who they got left? Spurs is running.
Starting point is 00:19:29 Sunderland away after the international break. Brighton at home, wolves away, Aston Villa away, Leeds United at home, Chelsea away, Everton at home on the last day of the season, Everton who could be chasing European football on the last day of season. Forts and prayers. Good luck. Let's focus on the lunchtime kickoff.
Starting point is 00:19:48 Sunderland came from behind to do the double over Newcastle with the latest ever winning goal in a Premier League, Tyne Weir Dabby, Brian Brobby, scoring in the 90th minute. Luke, you were there. Tell us all about it. Yeah, feebrile, passionate, noisy, tense, angry. and it's a hugely damaging result for Newcastle. Tim will know exactly what the emotions will be like on Tyneside this evening.
Starting point is 00:20:14 It's been the story in Newcastle's season. I think that's 22 points dropped from winning positions this season. They can't keep clean sheets. The defence looks like an accident waiting to happen. They started well. For half an hour they were the better team. Anthony Gordon scores. Sven Botman hits the post with a header.
Starting point is 00:20:30 But in the second half, they completely lost their way. They lost their cohesion. They lost their organisation. and they were far too open and far too easy to play against. And look, what it does, what it does is I think this is the biggest crisis of Eddie Howes, four and a half year reign as manager, because that is the power of the Derby. He's not just lost once to Sunderland. He's lost twice.
Starting point is 00:20:50 It's the first Newcastle manager to ever lose his first two league games against Sunderland. There is a lot of anger about now. There's a lot of emotion about, I think, the anger that has been bubbling away on social media all season has transferred to the stands now. The team were booed off. Eddie was booed. There are a lot of calls to him to go. I don't think the club are,
Starting point is 00:21:09 the club are going to stay out of that sort of emotion. They want to be a stable, calm, well-run football club. They think Eddie Howe is the right manager to rebuild the team in the summer. I agree with them.
Starting point is 00:21:20 I think he's overachieved for four years as Newcastle manager. This is his first disappointing season. It's a really, really bad result, a very, very painful result. But I think whatever happens between now and the end of the season,
Starting point is 00:21:31 I think he deserves the chance to rebuild the team in the summer. that nobody's going to change my mind about that. You don't go from being the most successful manager in the club's modern history to a clown or a failure in the space of a year. So it was a year ago they won the Carabal Cup final. But there are big, big problems there. It looks like a team to me that's reached the end of its shelf life.
Starting point is 00:21:50 If I'm honest, Aaron, there are players there or I don't think are good enough to be there. I think there are players there who want to leave or I've got one eye on leaving. I think it's a bit of a mess. But they've got the international break and I still wouldn't rule out Newcastle qualifying for Europe in some way shape or form this season, but just a really, really bad day from a Newcastle's perspective. And I've never, in the four and a half years since the takeover, that is the most angry and disillusioned the Newcastle United supporters have been in that time. So it's a very, it's a pivotal moment and we're going to find out a little bit more about what sort of club
Starting point is 00:22:21 they want to do because there will always be a temptation when the fans are angry to sack a manager. That's just the nature of football. I don't think that's going to happen. I think everybody I've spoken to this evening is calm and collected about it. It's something we keep hearing about, though, the fans and I know social media is a wild place and fans in the heat of the moment have have this feeling that well I mean that sort of the world's imploding if you're like especially yeah that's exactly what it felt like yeah yeah yeah you do feel like that but why do we keep hearing it about Eddie Howe Newcastle fans going yeah you know what it's time it's time it's time he's taking the he's taking the club to the end of the road is that true Tim are we beginning to see
Starting point is 00:22:57 the end of the Eddie Howe reign at Newcastle or do you bat look and say yes he will rebuild this squad, he'll rebuild and go again and go V2. There's a lot to digest there, I think. I mean, we all know you're only as good as your last game or last two games. Two weeks ago, they draw with Barcelona at home and then they beat Chelsea away. And then the last two results clearly getting hammered by Barcelona and then losing the Derby. And this is where you need calm heads.
Starting point is 00:23:23 But I totally understand why the fans will be disappointed to say the least. And rightly so, I think that second half performance was nowhere near good enough for the Newcastle shirt. And I do think Eddie Howard still the right man. I do think he earns the right to rebuild that group. I think the credit he deserves after winning that trophy. Not just that finishing four, six, like he's done amazing. And the perception of the city, not just the club, he's changed that, you know, with performances the last few years. And I do believe Eddie is the right man for the job. But there has to be some changes, clearly over the summer. I think new players coming in this summer haven't performed that we all thought they would.
Starting point is 00:24:07 I think they spent quite a lot of money on Walter Mata and Wissa. I mean, we haven't seen Wissar performing yet if you compare him with Tiago at Brentford who scored 20 plus goals already. I think there's a big difference there clearly, Walter Mada ending up in midfield, even though everybody thought he was a number nine. So there's lots and lots happening there behind the scenes. 50 games plus already they've played. I think that clearly. it's got something to do with it and they haven't got the squad to deal with that
Starting point is 00:24:37 compared to the arsenals and the cities and I think those are the big points where the club is up It's been a chasing week for Newcastle United and I want to heat praise on Sondland but this is this story is massive
Starting point is 00:24:49 Tim's talked about a rebuild you talked about a rebuild how big is this rebuild going to be are we talking minor nips and tucks or are we saying yeah full gutt out scaffolding up
Starting point is 00:25:00 I love your way with words sometimes. Yeah, there's going to be big changes. There needs to be big changes. They got themselves into a mess in the summer, and we do have to go back to that. They sold Alexander Isak on deadline day, having assisted all summer that he wasn't for sale.
Starting point is 00:25:18 They then rushed into signing Nick Volta Marda, who's totally unsuitable as a number nine in an Eddie Howe team, and I think the jury's out on whether he's ever going to succeed in an English football, whether he's got the profile to do it as a number nine. And then Wisser, they didn't want to sign either of those players at the end of July. And then they panicked. And when Isak was sold with less than 24 hours of the window remaining, they went and signed Wissor.
Starting point is 00:25:38 They'd already bought Volta Marder in. They made a huge mess of that. So that, I think, has killed them really all season in that, you know, you take Alexander Isak out of your team. It's going to hit you. That's like taking Harry Kane out of Spurs or Harry Kane out of Bayern Munich. That's how important Isak was to Newcastle. Not only did they lose Isak and sold him at the worst possible time.
Starting point is 00:25:59 And for me, and I said at the time, the worst possible circumstance. having said he wasn't for sale all summer. They then signed an unsuitable number nine and one who just looked way short and has offered absolutely nothing in Wisser who was then tonight liked Brian Broby's Man of the Match Award post on Instagram. I mean, you just don't do that as a Newcastle United player.
Starting point is 00:26:22 I mean, that, I know we're talking silly social media things and it might have been liked by somebody else in his team and not him directly, but how bad are the optics of that that you're liking the post of the player who just scored the winning goal in the last minute of the time we're a derby. So I think Wissar, I think they will have to sell either one of Volta Mardra or Wisser, but I think your problems you've then got is who else goes?
Starting point is 00:26:46 I think Livermento goes. I think Livermento has been really poor when he's come on. He's come back from injury, really poor for the second goal today. I think then you've got question marks about Bruno, linked with Manchester United. You've got doubts over Sandoval, Tonali, you'll have doubts over Anthony Gordon as well. So I think they will lose Liveramento. I think they will have to take a loss on Wisser just to get him out the door. And then it's which one of those big players do they lose as well? Because I think they will lose one of them.
Starting point is 00:27:14 So these are all the negative things hanging around in the background. This is all the kind of outside noise of Newcastle season. Which players are going to leave? Which players are they going to lose? And I don't think that helps at all. So I think it will be a big rebuild in the summer because if you lose one of those key players, you're going to get big money. They're going to be wrong. You're going to get huge money for them. You're going to make a nice big fat profit from those players, but they've got to get their recruitment right. And last summer's recruitment, unfortunately, mainly in the strikers position, but I don't think of Langer's work. They didn't get the recruitment right last season. They missed out on all their top targets, had to move further down
Starting point is 00:27:45 the list. That has left the squad, as Tim has very correctly said, that they've played more games than anyone else. It hasn't been able to cope with fighting on forefronts this season, and everything's blown up. So a big, big summer, but obviously I can back Eddie Howe as much as I want. I can say he's the right man for the job as Tim has and I firmly firmly believe that he is but you've still got he's still got to show something between now and the end of the season so there's got to be some positivity there's got to be some momentum it can't fully implode this season they've got to try and get back into Europe and I think if they do that they're just got to get that recruitment right because I think you will see you will see a lot of changes to answer your question Aaron thank you
Starting point is 00:28:18 Mr Tonali obviously today Bruno today and that's unfortunate when we talk about the squad not be able to cope. Newcastle is not able to lose or go without these kind of players. And that's unfortunately where you've seen. And it's normal. 50 games is a lot there. Yeah, seven big finals coming up. Like Luke said,
Starting point is 00:28:38 reaching Europe is a great achievement. I think if you ask any fan the start of the season to be in the last 16 of the Champions League and finishing top 10 or even top eight and get another Europe journey, I think they would have signed up for that. But yeah, at the moment, it will hurt. I don't think any Newcastle fan wants to hear any positives today or tomorrow.
Starting point is 00:28:59 And I think, and rightly so. And Eddie will be the first person to say that, that they haven't lived up to the expectations today, and they didn't show up for that second half. So they have to take the punches, people have to look in the mirror and brush themselves up as a club and go again and make sure that last seven games are not getting lost as well. Let's talk England because Thomas Tuchel has named his squad
Starting point is 00:29:21 for the friendies against Uruguay. Japan. A first call up for James Garner. We'll come on to him shortly. But there's no place for Danny Welbeck. He responded to that setback with another brace for Brighton, helping them to a two-one home win over Liverpool. Should he have been in the England squad, Luke? There's a very strong argument for it. I mean, he's missed out to what Dominic Calvert Lewin, obviously Anthony Gordon can play through the middle. I think when you look at Danny Welbeck, and I think you have to look at the whole package, yeah, he's the wrong side of 30. Yes, he's in the twilight of his career, but he's been really, really good.
Starting point is 00:29:54 for Brighton, his scoring goals and playing well. But it's also people who know him say he's a great team player. He's great behind, you know, it's not a social occasion, a World Cup. Don't get me wrong. But as Tim will know, there's a lot of hanging around. There's a lot of sitting around in the team hotel. There's going to training, long evenings, bringing people together from different clubs and bringing them all together.
Starting point is 00:30:17 People who talk about Danny Welbitt say, what a great team guy he is and what a popular person he is in the changing room. So for me, it's not just about the fact he's, done really well on the pitch. I also think Dominic Calvert Lewin's done really good. I think you can make an argument for both of them. The season they've had. But it's just, do you want to pass up that kind of glue,
Starting point is 00:30:34 social glue behind the scenes that Danny Welbert could be? Because let's face it, Harry Kane's going to be playing for England as the striker injury permitting. You know, you're not really going to be needed that much. So I think if they take three central strikers, I would have taken Welbeck. But I think the problem is Calvert Lewin's got the nod for this squad. I can't see that.
Starting point is 00:30:54 unless Calvert Lewin gets injured, that Welbeck would be drafted in. And Gordon's emergence as a centre forward probably means Tuchel doesn't think he needs to take, you know, two backups to Harry Kane. Tim, for you, Danny Welbeck, I mean, now the highest English Premier League goal score of this season 12 goals. We know what he brings. Can he do it in an England shirt? Well, could he have done it in England shirt,
Starting point is 00:31:17 or is he just really, really well suited to this bright inside? Well, he's evolved, and I think he's like a fine wine, because he's clearly proven at a great club like Brighton to not just be that number nine and running in behind, he's becoming this kind of all-round strike, in my opinion. So again, like Luke made a couple good points. He is a squad, you need squad players. You can't just bring 25, 26 or 23, whatever,
Starting point is 00:31:42 how many players you're allowed to take. But just individuals, you need to think about the team cohesive as well. And this is where Thomas Chuchel, he's got so many amazing individual players to choose. from and he's going to leave a lot of players at home that he not necessarily don't think are good enough, but maybe not really fit in that kind of team spirit. And I think that was one of the reasons when I was part of the Dutch squad in 2014, Louis von Gaulle left some unbelievable players at home because he knew how important those number 18, 19,
Starting point is 00:32:12 2021, 22, who don't get that as many minutes, but how important it is for an impact on the pitch, but even more important off the pitch, supporting that starting a level. We are going to take a short pause. We'll be back with more chat and some looking on Chelsea's failings. We'll also talk Liverpool as well on Everton's Hunt for European football. But let's have your halftime teaser. Raulham and has scored a penalty for Fulham, their 3-1 win over Burnley. He's now scored all 14 of his Premier League penalties,
Starting point is 00:32:44 making him the league's best ever penalty taker for players who have taken 10 or more. How many of the best five penalty takers in Premier League history? can your name? The answer comes next. From a small village on the banks of the River Nile. Everybody call me Muhammad but you know short name or nickname they call me more. To the biggest stages of world football. Salah is more than just a player. He's an icon, a symbol, a king.
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Starting point is 00:33:48 with Rao Jimenez, top of that pile. So, number one is, of course, Rao Jimenez, who scored 14 of 14. The next taker has scored. 11 from 11. Anyone, any guesses? Tony. Ivan Tony's not on the list. Matt Letticee?
Starting point is 00:34:05 He's in at number three, Matt Laeticee. Ricky Lambert scored loads. Not in the Premier League. He's not on the list. No, so we've got Matt Letticee that's come from Luke. Who else we got on there? Come on, guys.
Starting point is 00:34:19 You got the top five. Frank Lampard? Frank Lampard is not on that list. Bruno Fernandez. He's not on the list. either. Oh my goodness. How is he not on the list?
Starting point is 00:34:30 That's ridiculous. Azad? Azad? Yeah, it's quite some unbelievable ones to me. By the way, on Bruno Vanandez, he scored 26 penalties but missed six, so the percentile is not the one. He misses that because of the maths. Tell me if you give up. I give up.
Starting point is 00:34:47 I always give up. Should I give you some clues on some players? Go on then. Give me a clue. This young man spent a bit of time on Tynside recently, coming from, well, following. his former manager from the South Coast. He now plies his trade in the east end of London. You know exactly who he is.
Starting point is 00:35:03 Callum Wilson. Yeah, he's in at number five, in at number four. Match of the day, Pundit, scored a very, very famous goal for Fulham to keep them in the Premier League, spent time at Liverpool, Spurs and Charlton. Who are we having? Come on. No, who's the American centre forward?
Starting point is 00:35:19 He did not play for Charlton Athletic. He didn't. He didn't play with Liverpool either. Apart from that, I've done well. Danny Murphy. Danny Murphy. Oh, Danny Murphy. Three, of course, was Matty Letitier.
Starting point is 00:35:37 Two was the man who got annoyed with his birthday cake situation. Come on, everyone knows him. Toray. Yeah, yeah, Toray. Yeah, yeah Torre. Yeah, yeah Torre. Yeah, 11 from 11. He scored 100% of his penalty kicks. James Beatty in at 6, Julian Dix at 7,
Starting point is 00:35:54 Cole, Palmer, 8, Bacier, Sacchar, at 9, and Thierry-un-Ree, who scored 23 of his 25 penalties, is in at 10. Tim, by the way, of those penalties that we talked about, you conceded two of those, Danny Murphy and Callum Wilson scoring past you. Yeah, correct. And Raul Jimenez scored one in international friendly against you back in 2020. He's just not enough long to say, yeah, get on with it. I don't think we get on with it, mate.
Starting point is 00:36:22 Let's talk Liverpool. We discussed Brighton and Danny Well, but before the break. onto Liverpool, Rob Green said the spine of the team is not there on commentary duty with Five Live. Virgil Van Dyke has been prickly to similar criticism from Wayne Rooney this season, but he was personally outdone for two of the goals. What is going on at Amfield, Luke? Well, they are the first team, I think, in Premier League history to break the British transfer record twice in one summer, spend £450 million on a new team and get worse.
Starting point is 00:36:53 So there are a lot of clubs who've had some drama this season, some negativity, some criticism. Liverpool deserve it as well. The only thing that's really saving them is that Champions League campaign. The fact that they're still in Europe, much like 2005, when they won it, of course, there is this hope that aren't a slot and the team can save their best to Europe.
Starting point is 00:37:13 You can't rule it out. This is Liverpool. They have a fantastic record in Europe and seem to be a different force. But they, a bit like Newcast, in a way, which is what's ridiculous, because they obviously took Alexander Isak from Newcastle, but they didn't need Isak in Eckertique. They signed the same player and spent a huge amount of money to do so. They needed one of them and they needed to sign, you know, they needed to improve other areas of the team, the defence. I think you're seeing, and I think we've seen enough
Starting point is 00:37:44 body of evidence now to say it that Van Dyke is the wrong side of 30, he's aging, he's not the same, he's still very good, but he's not the elite supreme centerback that he once was, and the huge drop-off in Mo Sala. Mo Sala's not the same player for Liverpool. You know, he wanted to leave in December, and we all thought he'd go in January. He's still there, but he's not delivering the same things. And then you've got Vertz who is shown flashes, but probably still hasn't done enough to justify the huge amount of money spent on him, and obviously Isaac is out injured.
Starting point is 00:38:15 So the team looks unbalanced. They lost Trent Alexander Arnold. I think that's huge for them. I think he just balanced the way they play. key his passing range, the way he moved into midfield and his long passing, the way, you know, dovetail for Sala. They just got weaker and you do have to ask huge question marks about their recruitment. And they are, they have been doing this all season. You know, they're never quite managed to turn a corner. They're never quite managed to put a truly persuasive run together. And like Eddie Howe, on a slot,
Starting point is 00:38:48 you know, will be undergrowing pressure because if they do go out the Champions League before reaching the or the latter stages, and then they're at risk of dropping out of the top five and missing out in Champions League football. That's a disastrous season for Liverpool. So we have all these ends of season stories building up, but Slot, make no mistake about it, is under huge pressure. He won the league last season, but he did it with Juergen Klopp's team. Brilliant achievement. Nobody's ever taken that away from him. But then, you know, there is criticism growing of him, and there is pressure, and I think, personally, they've had a really, really bad season
Starting point is 00:39:20 because they got the balance of their recruitment wrong. When everybody was back slapping at the end of August when they got Isaac and Ekiteke and they've won the transfer window and look at us, aren't we brilliant? I don't think they gave the manager the right balance of squad and they're paying the price for that. They've won the transfer window. It's just like the fourth place trophy.
Starting point is 00:39:40 It's so boring and everyone says it. Everyone says it. So bad. Tim, tell us about your countrymen are on a slot. I mean, since winning the opening five games of the season, Liverpool of only one, nine of their next 26, so that's a 34% win rate. What do you look at when you see an Arna Slot side?
Starting point is 00:39:58 And does he get the opportunity to fix this mess? Yeah, I think so. I think Luke made a couple of good points there. I do think the recruitment is clearly very much responsible. That's not just Arna's slot. That's, I think, the club and the people behind the scenes as much as Arna. Losing Diaz, Trent. And don't forget, the Jota situation would clearly have a massive.
Starting point is 00:40:19 impact on that team, you know, and it's so something that people underestimate how important the team is behind the scenes and not just off the pitch, but he was a top top player on the pitch. The amount of times he changed games last season and won it for Liverpool in the last minute. He's a massive loss. And yeah, you mentioned obviously Virgil von Dyke. And I don't think necessarily just him. I think it's the people next to them as well. When you look at Kirkus on the left back and Konati, in my opinion, both of those players have been
Starting point is 00:40:48 average, to say the least. And Virgil is one of those. I think if you put players, if you say put Marguéé next to Virgil Bondi this season, I think we would have not these kind of conversations we'll have tonight.
Starting point is 00:41:01 Small margins, but I agree with you, clearly for Liverpool standards, it hasn't been nowhere near good enough. They're still in the Champions League, so yes, you're right, if they win that, clearly, it's been a successful season and things will have to happen.
Starting point is 00:41:14 There's some positions in Liverpool team that needs to be improved and like I said, they've missed Alison heavily, I think, for a few games, and Sala clearly hasn't hit the height. So there you go. That's a few reasons there.
Starting point is 00:41:26 Let's go to the blue half of Merseyside and Everton channel, the Gooderson Energy. For arguably one of the most memorable days yet at their new ground, putting three past Chelsea without reply, two from Beto, one from Illam and Jai,
Starting point is 00:41:40 and that just lumps the pressure on Liam Rosini. But let's focus on Everton to start with. They've not played in the Champions League since 1971. With the fact that there is that fifth place on offer now, potentially Luke. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:41:53 Or six and seventh if some other results fall, isn't it? If only if Astonville win the Europa League and Liverpool win the Champions League isn't six, doesn't that get your Champions League next season? It's some mind-boggling permutations that go on. Look, David Moyes, he did it in his first spell. They say never go back. That's like one of the Golden Rules of Management, is it?
Starting point is 00:42:12 Because you never go back, because your second spell will never be as good as your first. Well, David Moyes is proving that wrong. did this in his first spell at Everton, saved them from relegation, then took them to the fringes of the champions. I think they qualified, didn't they one year, but then got knocked out in the qualifying rounds, if my memory serves me correctly.
Starting point is 00:42:28 Brilliant job. And I think people who have been watching Everton this season and that moved to the new stadium, it's interesting, isn't it? Because Tottenms has suffered. You know, their home form has suffered, and Everton's initially suffered at the start of the season. But, you know, the blue scousers have managed to quite quickly turn that atmosphere around
Starting point is 00:42:46 and people were talking about the atmosphere against Chelsea has been as good and as loud and as intimidating as anything there was at Gooderson Park. So that's huge for them. And, you know, they've done it quietly. They've done it away from the spotlight. They've done it without pressure. And that always makes a team dangerous.
Starting point is 00:43:02 It'll be interesting to see how they do now that they're sort of getting a bit closer and people will be looking at and saying, oh, are Everton going to get Champions League? They're suddenly being talked about as outsiders to the Champions League, whether that changes the dynamic. But what a job David Moyes has done. What a hero he is for Everton football.
Starting point is 00:43:16 club and you know it's not about them but i'm going to bring them into it because of all the stupid ridiculous decisions that west ham made getting rid of david moyes the man who won europe european trophy and had them pushing for europe then as well i'm replacing it with the i'm going to have to choose my words carefully the managerial merigo round that has followed um that will go down as a huge turning point in in west ham's history absolutely just on everton tim your thoughts because they're three points off of the european cup places three points off of Liverpool. This could be a real season
Starting point is 00:43:49 to remember for them in their first season at their new home. They're winning off the pitch with that stadium and they're backing it up on the pitch. I mean,
Starting point is 00:43:55 they've got some top, top players in that squad. You've got Endai who are, I love watching. You've got Garno's Lee performing a myth field, Pickford, showing and saving some
Starting point is 00:44:06 amazing shots this season, Tarkovsky being that leader. So yeah, they've got a nice mix of top, top players and having a manager, clearly, who's been there, done it at multiple clubs. So, yeah, the signs are looking really positive for everything. And, yeah, what a great club.
Starting point is 00:44:22 If he gets Champions League, manager of the year, David Moyes. There's my shout. There's my shout. I don't care if Mikhailiteta wins the league. I don't care. I don't know if I don't care if Pepe Guadogali does the Carabal Cup and Premier League double. Keith Andrews, don't care that if what he does with Brentford, Everton get into the Champions League, David Boyce's manager of the season. Someone who won't be winning any prizes this season is Liam Rosini. last night came from a lack of hard running and it really has been a common theme. But this is an absolutely extraordinary stat. Chelsea has been outrun by every Premier League opponent in every Premier League game this season.
Starting point is 00:44:58 They've also lost, well, now lost three of their last four Premier League games, including that eight two aggregate defeat to Paris and Jamin. Paris Sain, Parasangaman. And they failed to score in three consecutive games. I don't know what to say anymore with regards. to Liam Rosini, I thought he was settling into life quite nicely at Stanford Bridge and it was ticking over
Starting point is 00:45:22 okay, but the wheels have well and truly fallen off in the past few weeks, Tim. Yeah, I think the start was great. We just spoke about managers coming in and having an impact. I think the first 10 games, I think they only lost two and I was against Arsenal. The problem is where you keep chopping and
Starting point is 00:45:38 changing these managers is different ideas, they've got so many players. First of all, they've got 30 plus players on 8-year content. contracts and that clearly will have a massive impact on the hierarchy and the respect for managers coming in because there's players are going to be in that changing room when things are going bad are the first one to point fingers to the manager or collecting the little groups and they are going to outlast this manager most likely and I think that's the trouble you've got at Chelsea at the
Starting point is 00:46:08 moment you need a manager and if Liam is the guy you need to make sure right he's going to be there for six years and going to have that respect of that change room. But ultimately, you need that performances and results. And losing Trino against everything, I'm not going to give you that confidence. I hope he can turn it around. I hope he's going to get a summer to prove himself because I played with Liam at Brighton when he was still playing. And he absolutely loves football.
Starting point is 00:46:37 But you need a lot more to be a manager at Chelsea, clearly. Tim makes a really good point there about players, outliving managers. at Tottenham as well haven't we but they're you know there's been an accusation leveled at that Tottenham dressing for a long time at the Manchester United dressing room for a long time so Resinia's we're it's not, you can still
Starting point is 00:46:57 salvage this it's not terminal the position they're in but if they don't get champion's not good when you're being mocked yeah it's not good when you're being mocked openly by rival fans and the media because that would be getting into the dressing room as well Luke he's not been mocked by rival fans
Starting point is 00:47:13 he's been mocked by his own well that's even worse yes, admittedly. It's not great. It's not great. It's not great. They have to get in the Champions League because again, you know, they are a weirdly run football club.
Starting point is 00:47:25 And I think the fans are quite right. I mean, I've yes, they've said it before, but they're more like a football recruitment business than a football club built to be successful as a team. And that needs to change. And Resignor isn't necessarily a problem there.
Starting point is 00:47:37 That's the people above him. Gentlemen, it's been an absolute joy spending my Sunday evening with you. Luke, go and get yourself some scrowners. Sunday night curry? It's not. It's going to be a something like Chinese.
Starting point is 00:47:48 Oh, stunning. What's the order? Beef and black bean sauce. Yeah. My wife, I have aromatic dach. The sundry items?
Starting point is 00:47:56 There will be egg fried rice. There will be chips and there'll be prawn crackers and then I'll be job done and then I'll go to bed. Happy days. Tim, you are an athlete. You don't eat Chinese food like that.
Starting point is 00:48:07 No, forget the body else keeping this body in it. Great to have you on with our. Tim, thank you, Luke. Enjoy your Sunday night dinner.
Starting point is 00:48:19 That is all. We've got time for on the Premier League review. Next up on the Football Daily Food, Monday night. I'm Rich Hall, and this is Sports Strangest Crimes Presents Confessions of a Super Bowl streaker. When people ask me what I do, I say to them, well, by day or by night.
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