Football Daily - Premier League Review: Arsenal Eze past Spurs

Episode Date: November 23, 2025

Aaron Paul is joined by David James & The Telegraph’s Luke Edwards to review the weekend’s Premier League action. Hear from Mikel Arteta and Thomas Frank after Arsenal thrash Tottenham. Catch up with Arne Slot after Liverpool’s loss to Nottingham Forest. And get Daniel Farke’s take after another defeat for Leeds.01:45 Mikel Arteta & Thomas Frank after NLD 16:20 Arne Slot after Liverpool 0-3 Forest 26:10 Forest vibe flips on its head 31:40 Eddie Howe finally beats Man City 39:30 Daniel Farke on another Leeds defeat5 Live / BBC Sounds UEFA Champions League commentaries: Tue 2000 Chelsea v Barcelona, Tue 2000 Man City v Bayer Leverkusen on Sports Extra, Wed 2000 Arsenal v Bayern Munich, Wed 2000 PSG v Tottenham on Sports Extra.

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former England goalkeeper David James and the telegraphs, Luke Edwards, gents, another defeat for Liverpool. And Rick Edwards, well, he's not here. No, he's on holiday, apparently. Maybe I shouldn't say that. Is he? He's got, yeah, he's...

If you go to his Instagram, that's all you need to know, he's very smug at the moment. But slightly crushed by Liverpool. form. So of course the one person who instantly slides into his WhatsApp messaging is me every time they lose. So he was pretty miserable yesterday and I took a lot of pleasure from that. Fair play. David, I can imagine that's not your sort of tact. That's not the way you do things. No, absolutely not. I was at the game yesterday and along with many Liverpool fans, we left the

stadium in a very glum mood. But I have to say, Luke has brightened up my mood because he's also looked at Rick Edwards' is Wikipedia page. Yeah, quite the career. A lot of sort of quite terrible TV shows before he hit it big. What I will say is, you know, he started off brightly, T4, some terrible TV shows largely, and then hit it big when he went to the BBC and Five Live. So basically his career is on an upward trajectory, and I do like to think I've played a small part in that.

Absolutely. Well, Rick, enjoy your holiday, wherever you are. Let's get straight into it and talk about the North London. Derby. Arsenal now six points clear at the top after their crushing 4-1 win over Spurs in the Derby at the Emirates. Let's hear from the two managers. Thomas Frank in a moment, but first, Mikhail Arteta. It's a very special day for us. We knew the importance of the match. We know what it means to our people, so to be able to give them that joy on the performance, on the results, the way we played and the atmosphere that we create at a stadium. It's a beautiful

day. And particularly for a very Eze, obviously, to score a hat trick, it's only the fourth hat trick ever in North London Derby history. I know, I just heard. So that tells you about the difficulty and what he's done today. And we very good of score four or five, you know, but

that's the play that we need to play to in big games, create those magic moments, those actions that unbalanced the team. And I thought he's all around play today was excellent. Very difficult afternoon. bad performance. It's extremely painful. I must say to stand here after that game. We can only apologize to the fans for not performing better.

I was very confident that we could be very competitive today, but we weren't. And that we definitely need to look into with a little bit more calm and cool head and take out of this game that we need to change. There's a lot of need to change to go into the next games. The bit we lacked, especially first half, was to be close enough, be able to go high enough in the pressure. We didn't succeed well enough with that. Didn't succeed to be aggressive enough. And the jewels, they won much more of the jewels.

The two managers there following that big, big win for Arsenal in the North London. Derby, Luke, let's get straight into it. Aberese, wow. Brilliant, yeah, absolutely fantastic. Arsenal fan as a kid, behaved in the right way as well in the summer in terms of getting that move from Crystal Palace, eminently likable, a very charming young man

and what a game he had today. Three wonderful goals to do it in that fixture with the background he's got growing up an Arsenal supporter, just a wonderful day for him, magnificent day for his family, and yeah, he was electric. And there's been a really, really good signing for Arsenal

and we looked at the summer business they did and we thought it was good. You know, he's been right up there with one of the signings of the season for me and really took that North London Derby by the scruff of the neck and, you know, his name will always be in the history books now. David, Tottenham were bad,

we'll get onto them in a moment, but how good were Arsenal in the way they controlled it? They struck while the iron was hot. They were instinctive. Yeah, I mean, it's interesting to listen to Thomas Frank there because I did not see any of that anywhere in that game. I mean, we were chatting in a group chat, well, me.

It was like a training session. However, Declan Rice is so, good. I know Isaiah's going to get all the headlines. He deserves it. The three finishers were fantastic. And as Michael Arta said, he could have had more if it hadn't been for Vagario in particular. But Declan Rice, there was a couple of moments where he's played first-time balls,

one down the line to Trossard, which everyone thought he was just going to boot out of touch. He had so much control in that midfield that was probably why Tottenham never got a grip of the ball. And they just bossed it. I mean, I actually put on social media that Arsenal were going to do their bit for the environment and not wash David Ray's shirt

because he hadn't done anything and then Richarleston, in typical Richarleston fashion, scores probably one of the goals of the game, definitely. But other than that, I mean, it was a whimper by Tottenham. But Declan Rice and Midfield, Eze's finishing, it was, yeah, that was a bad day for Tottenham and a superb day for Arsenal.

What makes it all the more impressive is that, you know, that is a pressure fixture for Arsenal. You know, it's the Derby game. But they've seen Liverpool drop points yet again before they play. They see Manchester City slip up at Newcastle United as well. That's a tough fixture on paper, and they breezed it. They utterly outclassed their neighbours. I don't, and I've got to be careful how I say this, but I'm going to say it.

I don't think Arsenal worried about Liverpool at the moment. Liverpool could have won. Yeah, and I don't think they would be. I'm not worried about Liverpool. Yeah. I think Chelsea would have been the concern for. Arsenal, even, I mean, the city result, of course, was helpful, but because of the result of City, I think the pressure was a little bit off them, in one sense, but Tottenham had to turn up

and they didn't do it. They were, they were really, really bad. But when I say the pressure's on, you know, you need to capitalise on your opponent's mistakes, don't you? You need, you know, the Arsenal drop points before the international break with that draw at Sunderland, and we were talking about Man City's statement performance against Liverpool and how that was like, you know, the best most impressive all-round performance we'd seen of all the Premier League teams

this season then they take advantage again City then slip up at Newcastle and Arsenal capitalise on that and these are the things that they've failed to do in the past this is why they've fallen short

before in the past but again I'm going to keep saying this phrase it's just another box tick and Top them are outclassed by their bitter rivals today and that will sting for a very very long time and managers suffer when they lose derby games

but particularly when they lose them in the manner that Thomas Frank did today There's been a little bit of disquiet at Tottenham already this season. I think that's going to crank it up a notch because they turned up on time and apart from the richest Ireland and goal, that's basically all they got right. They turned up at the Emirates on time, played a game of football, got beaten heavily, went home. That is it. That is all Tottenham have got to show for their afternoon. I mean, Luke, I saw a tweet by someone I know really well.

I got Ricky Sachs who runs the brilliant last word on Spurs podcast. And half time in the game, he put, you know, plastered all over, everything Tottenham do is, the Latin motto, what, translated into English, to dare us to do. They have not dared to do anything. And they never, ever do they? I mean, I remember being at a Champions League game under Antonio Conte, Spurs Milan. And they just don't turn up. And you're like, what's the point of getting yourself and hyping it up to this point where you're just not going to deliver? It's embarrassing, Aaron.

What they've produced today is embarrassing, and I don't use that word lightly. I'm not trying to ridicule Spurs, but there was nothing there, and there is nothing worse as a football supporter. And I've had my fair share of these as a late and Orient fan. When you travel to a game and your team is set up to be tight, difficult to break down, dogged, well-organised, and try and contain the opposition.

And then at half-time, you're 2-0-down, you haven't had a decent shot on target. It's so depressing. And that's what Spurs had to endure today in the first half. And then you're thinking, Thomas Frankel get into them at half time. There's going to be a reaction. There's going to be an improvement. There's got to be.

And there wasn't. Apart from the Rich Charleston goal, which is brilliant. It's a wonderful goal. But that's pretty much all he did, all game other than getting to argue. That was a shot in angle, wasn't it? Well, basically, yeah. Exactly, yeah. He was so annoyed.

He just thought, I'm going to go for almost the impossible goal. Great, great finish. But that is all they've got to show for a North London Derby. And like I say, the ramifications of that, the damage from it, you know, that could harm Thomas Franken. It could harm Spursy season. They are slipping back into mid-table. And I think that's, there's going to be some inquests, shall we say, behind the scenes at Tottenham this week. But look, it is still better than Ange.

Why did you have to bring poor Ange into it? What's, what, Ang is on a beach. He's watching the ashes. He's watching England. She humiliate themselves on Earth. Part from the fact that Ange won a European trophy and qualified for the Champions League, Thomas Frank is doing better than Ange. Okay.

I just feel like you're throwing shade at Ange for no reason. No, no, no, no. I'm just thinking back to three games into the season and how Thomas Frank was the answer to everything that Tottenham wanted. They always do that. That's Tottenham, isn't it? They've always cracked it, and then you know what's coming, unfortunately. They're throwing it again.

They only lost two-one at the Emirates last season. And also, they've beat. They beat Man City 4-0 last year, not 2-0. So things were already there at the beginning that it wasn't as good as everyone thought it was. The thing that disappointed me today from a top perspective, every time they got the ball in advanced positions, you wondered where they were going to go.

You actually thought, hang on, what are you actually going to do now? And then they would inevitably lose the ball. Arsenal got into position. I'll go back to Deckman Rice. And they were making nigh on impossible passes so well that it just looked like a training session, Almost to the point that Richarlison's goal was that bit where the opposition in the training session

of God, I don't like this, and I'm going to go and score just to upset someone. It really wasn't good. They're not enjoyable to watch. I haven't enjoyed watching Spurs for a long, long time now since probably the Mauritio Pocitino, where you had that team with Vitongan and Ardivar, who's going to release, Harry Kane.

And they felt like they were working hard together, and it was a real gelge unit. Arguably, I mean, barring that win in the Eurobush, league last year. They haven't looked like a cohesive unit for a long, long, long time. And this is where it's going to get interesting for Thomas Frank. He's left pure comfort at Brentford to come into a club where the moment, I'm not going to say the moment, a few sort of games into some bad results. And there's going to be discontent from the supporters. I mean, social media is a toxic place as it is. I really hope Thomas Frank isn't

reading it tonight. I hope he isn't. Thomas Frank doesn't strike me as a guy who scrolls through his social media in the evenings. I've got to say, I mean, he's a man who takes a good book, maybe watches a film noir, I don't know, you know, an art house movie. I don't think he's reading social media, but I know exactly what you mean, and we've been talking about it throughout this podcast, and it's the home form as well, isn't it? If you're rubbish at home and you're not fun to watch at home, that is where the majority of your supporters will watch the team they turn up wanting to be entertained that is their weekend that is their weekend's entertainment and they turn up and they're not infused and they're not entertained at

home that's a huge problem for any manager now thomas frank wanted this challenge we all i think in the media certainly probably wanted thomas frank to take on this sort of challenge because of the job he'd done at brentford and we all thought he deserved to crack at a bigger club with bigger aspirations and higher targets than Brentford have got. But yeah, certainly now he's finding out what it's like and the pressure will be on. You know, Topnum have gone from Angeball, ultra-attacking football, wasn't really pragmatic, was it? It was, it was there, we are there to try and entertain you. They've gone for a manager who is more pragmatic.

They've gone from one end of the spectrum to the other end of the spectrum and it's not going particularly well. It's not disastrous by any means. You know, they're still very much in touch with the European places. But I saw Les Ferdinand on a rival broadcaster, and Les is one of the nicest people I know in football. And he was stinging, stinging in his criticism. He said he wanted to stop watching at half-time.

It was that bad. They go to Paris, San Juan, Wednesday. How do you even get your side up for that? How do you approach it tactically? These are obviously the questions which Thomas Frank has to answer. But right now, I'm sort of like, you know, in Rocky, where they ask Clubber Lang what he predict and it's pain because Wednesday could go horribly wrong.

Yeah, with the new format in the Champions League, you can afford to lose a couple of games. But when you've put in that kind of Derby performance and then play against PSG who are capable of inflicting a lot of pain on teams, as Luke rightly says, all of a sudden the disbelief between fans rapidly increases, and then the pressure's on.

And, you know, at least Tottenham, you know, they keep their managers for a long time, don't they look? They have got rid of Daniel Levy as well, who used to dispense with a manager to take the heat off himself. Yeah, I mean, it will be concerned. It's far too soon to be talking about Thomas Frank going. I'm not going down that route, David. You're not luring me into the evil journalist

who starts calls, calling for managers to get the sack. But he's got problems. He's got problems. And it is that thing where the fans were just not sure about him, I think before today. They weren't sure they were signs of progress. Now the alarm bells will be ringing. And there will be anger.

There's going to be vitriol. David, on the flip side, a big week for Arsenal. Spurs obviously today, buying on Wednesday and Chelsea away live on 5 live on Sunday. And a great start to what's going to be a difficult week. What I liked about Mikhail Artez's post-match interview as well, is he was very grounded for once and there seems to be a different side to him

last season that would have been an eruption about how fantastic everything in the whole wide world was but he was very grounded the team looks very balanced more balanced than usual and it's easy to say again six points clear at top of the table but they've got to go into that game against Bayern Munich with confidence as I say it would be ironic

if Harry Kane were to score more goals in Tottenham but you have to ask a question Can you see By Munich really creating chances? David Rea has literally had three saves in the last six games, I think, to make in all competition, four saves, something like this. The team just don't allow the opportunities. And if it hadn't been for one great tackle and, as you say, a frustrating shot from Richarlerson, and they probably wouldn't have conceded today. I mean, they just look really, really good at the moment.

That's a really good point you've made about Artetta there, David, because I thought exactly the same thing when they lost at Sunderland. I'm not lost at Sundland, sorry, drew at Sundland and sort of frustrating their drop points. He was really level, really measured. There were no emotional outbursts, no victim complex, no persecution complex, no complaining about the way Sunderland played or the anti-football or anything like that.

He was just really, for him, and I haven't always said this about it, he was actually very gracious and just took it on the chin and just pointed out that it was a draw away from home, a tough place to go, and actually just put it into concept We've been doing extremely well and he's keeping things calm, isn't he? I think that is probably maybe a little lesson he's learned from previous seasons

at the emotional outbursts and the displays of emotion in a press conference and sometimes they don't help your players. Let's push on and talk about the champions. David, you were a Liverpool-Nill Nottingham Forest three on Saturday. The Reds, well, I'll say the Reds, they're both Reds. Liverpool dropping from 8th to 11th.

Let's hear it from Arna Slot. What is wrong at the moment is when you talk about today I think the first half hour there wasn't that many things that were wrong. Players are at it, played in a high rhythm, high tempo, were able to create chances against the defensively, really strong team. And for me it felt it was waiting for us to score the first goal. But yeah, if you don't do this, and then you can see the set piece. And it tells you also how much a goal can change the momentum

and can change the game because the hour afterwards we were not able to create the chances we were able to create in the first half hour. And clearly in your entire career, you've not had many sticky moments as a coach and as a manager. I just wonder when you do go through these spells, what is your go-to? Is it sort of back to basics? Is that sort of keep a clean sheet first and build from there? Or is it something different? Yeah, of course you always prefer to keep a clean sheet because then you've got the biggest chance to win a game of football.

And I think that's what we did very well in the first half hour. We were just constantly trying, trying, pushing, pushing without giving away a lot. But yeah, if you go a goal down, if you go two goals down, you need. need to take a little bit of more risk. Like you said, with the first substitution, with the second substitution. And sometimes this leads to a goal. And we all know if it leads to a goal, what can happen here at Enfield. But now it did need to a goal, but not for us, for them. And yeah, we have to accept that. And I take full responsibility for that. On a slot talking to our man, Gary Flint off there. David, you've slept on it. Take me

back to yesterday. And give me your thoughts. And I think it's slightly ironic, considering how impressive we were reflecting on Arsenal, that one of their clean sheets this season was against Arsenal. He made a good point for half an hour. Liverpool had a lot of possession, a lot of huff and puff. I'm trying to think of sales. I think he made one save off Mo Salah. But I've just got to point out, Elliot Anderson, he was phenomenal.

The clearance off, I can't remember we had the shot now. Macalester, McAllister, and a hit it off the line. That's right, yeah, yeah, clearing off the line. I mean, that was indicative of the forest performance, I think. Every time Liverpool got in a position and score, there were four or five players in a way trying to make blocks or making blocks, literally, which frustrated Liverpool.

And then from two consecutive corners, a long clearance, a bit of indecision, a through ball and a bit of indecision with Canate leads to a corner, which leads to the goal. And the one thing that has happened with Liverpool this season, if they concede first, they lose. It's quite simply the first team to score wins It was very good performance by Forrest

In many different ways But for Liverpool, the confidence Is just not there at the moment They're brittle, they're fragile And they look like a poor team I've held off using this word For as long as I can But Liverpool are in full-blown crisis now

That is, what is that, eight defeats in 11 in all competitions, six defeats in seven in the league A title defence To all extents in purposes Looks like it's over in no November. They spent a huge summer money, broke the British transfer record twice, and that team has got worse. They handed out huge contract to Mo Salah and Virgil Van Dyck.

I don't think either of those players have played as well as they did last season in winning the title, or as well as they did under Yergan Klopp. Arna Slot is beginning to sound like a manager who doesn't have answers to the questions. He's posing himself and his team. And there are huge problems. We're waiting for the turnaround. We're waiting for these good players to prove their quality, to get back into form, and it's just not happening. And quite frankly, their form, I am coming off a bit of a long run up here, but it's embarrassing for Liverpool Football Club to be in this situation now. Arna Slot, everything he touched last season, really, in the league, turned to gold. He won it with Yergan Klopp's team. He's taking a lot of criticism, and rightly so, because

he's the manager. But what about the people above him? What about Michael Edwards and Richard Hughes, who were back slapping and congratulating themselves at the end of the summer that they'd done this wonderful business. Well, they didn't sign a centreback, did they? They didn't, you know, they mucked around with the Mark Gagy transfer, trying to get a bargain out of Crystal Palace, trying to railroad them into selling them for less than the asking price. They capitalised on Alexander Isak going on strike

at Newcastle to get him. Well, did they actually give the manager the best tools to do the job? Did they fill every position of need that they had? They signed Eckertiki and Isak. Probably didn't need both of them. So these people at the top of the football club With getting a lot of praise in the summer When Liverpool thought they'd run the transfer window

But now you look at the squad And you look at the players that aren't a slot Has been given, the reinforcements, the improvements None of them have really made a huge impact yet None of them have bedded in So I think the problems that Liverpool have caused themselves Probably started with those people Who were leading recruitment in the summer

So it's a bit of a mess And I know that's stinging And I know Liverpool fans won't want to hear that But that is where we're at. When you're on the run of form they are in, it's not just a manager and the players who have to take the look at themselves and whether they've performed properly. It's the people above them.

It's the people in charge of recruitment. And as for Alexander Isak, I mean, he doesn't look like he wants to be at Liverpool at the moment. And I find that really sad because I watched him become one of the best strikers in Europe at Newcastle over three years, playing in a team that was built around him, that maximised his strengths. He looked happy, he looked confident.

And I've said this before in this podcast. I think that decision to go on. strike, alienating former friends at Newcastle, resorting to releasing statements on Instagram, training alone, but betraying people who'd put a lot of faith and trust in him. I think that's taken a toll on him mentally. He doesn't look like the same player, and he's keeping out Hugo Ekateke out of the team, and I think most Liverpool supporters would agree with me, they'd rather see Eckertiki starting, but all of a sudden now, EZAC's need to run a game, so he's in the team.

So a big mess. I'm not saying that Arnislot can't turn it around. I'm not saying that these players won't come good. Eventually, huge, huge problems, and they are because of that in a crisis. However, with the recruitment, they don't recruit for one season. They recruit for a period of time. And I believe that the players that they've got will be good. Unfortunately, we expected, and I was one of them, expected it just to be great straight from the get-go.

The test for on a slot now, as a manager, is he able to turn this ship round? Not winning the title this season is not a bad season for Liverpool, comparatively yes to last season. but he wasn't expected to win the title last season. So in the bigger picture, if there's a league title in there somewhere, he's already ticked that box, the Champions League now becomes more important, and a good run in the Champions League for Liverpool, i.e. winning it, will justify everything this season.

So there's a lot there for Liverpool still to get, even if it's not what everyone expected when these signings were made. And with regards to the exact thing, I still think the problem, when you're coming into a side that isn't necessarily playing, the way that everyone expected yesterday were getting results so i'm not going to contradict myself but then the expectation is for you to make everything right it didn't start fit because he had been missing the training um and again this is a within house they have to get him fit enough to be

out there and winning games of football what i saw yesterday you know again it echo tke came on he looked good uh briefly then not should be playing david he should be playing ahead of east yeah i mean look the the problem i always say this the problem with defeat won't defeat or multiple defeats is that everybody's reasonable alternative becomes a good suggestion because it's better than defeat. If Eckertiki starts and they start winning games

then we can say yeah, he should have started the other games. But he's been better than him, David. Sorry? So this season, Eckertik has been better than Isak. EckertiK has scored, which is a good start point. Yeah, at times, yeah, but the problem is, Luke, the problem is, because they're not winning the games, then you're right, or everyone's right.

right, because they're always right. When you look at the bigger picture, and this is starting to get eroded at, it has to be said, the bigger picture doesn't matter if Liverpool win the league this season. It's what these signings do in the long run. But as a manager... Yes, okay.

So win the Champions League, successful season. Well done, everybody. Brilliant. Can you see them winning the Champions League playing like they are at the moment? Although their best performance of the last few months did come against around Madrid in the Champions League. I will give you that much in this debate. Are they good enough to win the Champions League?

Well, on that performance, yes. But the irony of this is that last season in the Champions League, they won, was it, eight seven games in a row? Yeah. Eight games, whatever it was in a row, and then ended up getting knocked out by PSG. I think the other thing which I've noted before, and I've said it publicly,

is that Liverpool don't tend to play well after international breaks. And the game They weren't playing well before it. Chouche, okay. But when do you want to turn things around? Be careful where you go with this day because he's watching, he was tracking him.

I'm sharp, I'm sharp today. So Newcastle won a game and he's happy. But it was one of those games, not in Forrest, because if you remember, not in Forrest were the only thing to beat them last season at home. That was after the international break. Right at the beginning of Arnold's tenure,

but because he was new at the job, it was kind of like, oh, that's fine, you know, he's new and he'll get used to it. And all of a sudden, they ran off with it. As I say, the bigger picture's fine, but there's only so much time that the big picture works. Forrest, out of the bottom three, back-to-back Premier League wins after also beating leads. I'm beating in four in all competitions. Sean Deich has landed, and I mentioned on 606 on Five Live last night, if you go back a month and a day, and that's when Sean Deich was appointed,

the atmosphere at the football club the vibe, Luke, is completely different. It's flipped on its head. You know I love a vibe, Aaron. I'm all about vibes. Tactics, not so much. Vives. Positive energy.

You know, Nottingham France would have had an open mind. I don't think he was a sexy appointment, was he? He wasn't going to thrill people when they got the job. But it felt like a nice appointment. It felt like somebody coming home. and because he's benefiting from everybody wanting ange gone and he managed to upset everybody in such a short period of time he's sort of brought he's feeding off that positivity

and the fact that I think forest supporters had got over the fact that they weren't playing as well they realised they were in a relegation scrap so their mentality changed when he came in where he thought look we've got to get ourselves out of trouble so they've really got behind him and the players are responding to that you can see the confidence coming back

they've got one of the best young English talents in the centre of the field that David referenced there earlier Anderson and they've got good players and they're a good team and Sean Dice has just got them he's got them defensively solid

which let's face it they weren't under Ange and he's allowing giving them a platform in games to go and do what they did to Liverpool because they're harder to beat they're harder to break down he's got that right but it is all and you've said it there

Aaron sometimes it's about emotion in football and flicking a switch at a football club and he's gone in there you know that interview we gave on match of the day when he was like a child, like a small child. He almost was reminiscing what he was like when he's apprentice, talking about just having the badge

of Nottingham Forest on his chest and how much that meant to him. And things like that matter in football. They really do. They can be really, really powerful. Luke, I'm glad you mentioned that because I was just going to mention it as well. We talk about Arsetta and how

how kind down he was. I actually like the way, because I've never seen Sean Deisch talk after a game like that. It was just, there was just this feeling of how, happiness, as you mentioned. Yeah, he's so happy, yeah.

And it wasn't like, yeah, we were fantastic, we batted him. It was kind of like, no, he just really enjoyed listening to him. I mean, painful, obviously, because it was Liverpool. But the fact that he was happy, it was actually a nice thing for Christmas even. Yeah, warm feeling inside. Absolutely. Good vibes, as they say, Luke. Chelsea, up to second after their two-no went at Burnley.

Can I just wish Enzomeresca well? Because I don't know if you guys caught his press conference where he informed the media of Cole Palmer's latest injury, stubbing his toe at home. And Enzo Moresco said that when he gets up in the middle of the night to go to the toilet, he's hit his head, hits his hands, hits his arms, hits his legs, hits everything else. Firstly, how clumsy are you, Enzo? I hope you have a peaceful night. That's what I'm saying.

It was one of the best quotes I've ever heard of a press conference. So yeah, good luck Enzomereska getting up in the middle of the night. It happens. It does. You need to memorize your route. That's all I'm saying. When you get to a certain age, you need to memorize your route. Gies off a little nightlight enzyme.

Maybe we could get him one. Maybe a football daily. A branded one. Yeah, they could just plug in. That'd be nice for him. Let's get to your halftime teaser as we head into the break. Eddie Howe finally got the better of Manchester City in the Premier League with a 2-1 win for Newcast.

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quite a silly podcast. Yeah, listen now on BBC Sounds. Yeah, you should. Okay, cool. Get off Google, David. Get off Google. Let me do the intro. Let me do the intro. Let's go about. on the Football Daily podcast, Premier League review with Aaron Paul. Welcome back to the Premier League review before the break. I asked Eddie Howe finally got the better of Manchester City in the Premier League with a 2-1 win for Newcastle at St James as part.

But how many Premier League games did it take Howe to beat Manchester City? Gentlemen. I've doubted myself now. It's either 19 or 17, but it's a slightly 40 stat. Is it Newcastle hadn't beat in Man City? I'm going to go with 17 15. 17 to beat Pep Guarliola Yeah 17

I can see reading off your screen right now No I'm yeah David is I'm not No no no you're first don't look down now Who? I've got the glass I can't even read my screen I've got notes

I come prepared I'm going three half seasons at Newcastle And I'm going 17 Four seasons at Bourmouth Might be 19 I'm going 17 It's 17

Yes To beat Pep Guarcel Cardiola, but 19 to beat Manchester City. That's what I said. That's what I said. I could see you reading a few screens. Yeah, because I wrote about it yesterday in my actual job for the Daily Telegraph. I do actually

write for a national newspaper about football. And that was one of the stats for you. I'm chalming the water, relax. Luke, you were at St. James as yesterday. Newcastle 2, Manchester City 1. City dropping points, a game of mischances. I'm real big mischances. Fine margins and a bit

of a kickoff at the end. Discuss. Yeah, it was the return in Newcast United, as I've called it. This was the team that I think supporters have got to know and love under Eddie Howe. This was the team that's qualified for the Champions League twice. It's the team that won the Carabar Cup last season. They were not horrible to play against. They were relentless. They were full of energy.

They were very, very well organised, but they were also brutal in transitions. They hurt Man City time and time again. And this is, I'm lavishing praise on them because they were that good. They fully deserved to beat Man City, who were just coming off, as I said earlier in the podcast, off the kind of the statement victory, or statement performance of this season in dismantling Liverpool. But they were really, really good in every area. And the problem with Newcastle, though, is they can do that. We know they are that good.

We know they can be that good, that team. The only team that I think I've seen them outplayed them at home this season was Arsenal. And that's how good Arsenal were on the day. That's the only team, and they needed two late goals to win to get a victory there. And at home, with the crowd behind them, when their big players are up for it, they are a very, very dangerous football team who can beat anyone. The problem they've got is that when they go away to West Ham, when they go away to Brighton, when they go away to Brentford, they're not the same.

But it was a really, really good performance and a great night at St. James's Park. the noise inside the stadium when Harvey Barnes scored the two goals in the second half I shouldn't be surprised by it because I've been watching them for over 20 years but it was it was remarkable and Citi deservedly beaten I think and you know Newcastle have struggled to score goals this season they could have had four five even six really really good performance and they needed that Aaron they needed that because it was getting a bit angsty on Tyn side shall we say David should Citi have had a penalty for that late tackle on Phil Foden by Fabian

Shah it's a rationalist challenge. It completely takes Phil Foden out, even if he has had the shot, and it should be a penalty. Yes, absolutely. That obviously changes the, I was going to say that changes the game, but Erling Hanlon has already had a penalty this season, he missed it. So there's no guarantee that he would score. I just have to mention, though, Harvey Barnes. He missed the shot, which could have really ruined his day, what, was essentially an open goal from, what, five, six yards. And given that is only, I think it's his third consecutive start in that game.

He spent a lot of time coming off the bench as well. That could have ruined him for the game. But as Luke rightly said, I mean, the finishes for the two goals in the second half, super, but the second one was fantastic. Really, really fantastic. Because how many times you've seen players waiting for the ball, dropped to the floor,

and he's almost backheeled it in a very awkward sort of yoga-esque tree pose. Yeah, really, really, really. Harvey Barnes, David, there's a bit of a debate going, and I was at Hamden Park last week for Scotland's magnificent win over Denmark, which is one of the great occasions I've covered in my journalistic career. There's a lot of talk about Harvey Barnes. Maybe he's eligible to play for Scotland, going to the World Cup.

But maybe England will have something to say about that with the numbers he's got. I think he scored as many more goals than Marcus Rashford this season, for example. So, yeah, I mean, it must be tempting for him with Scotland qualifying for the World Cup. I'm sure they will come calling, but I wonder whether again he's been hesitant in the past, whether he might think there's an outside chance of England. I can't see that, but these numbers and, you know,

performing like he did against Man City, you know, there certainly deserves to be in the conversation at the very least. Yeah, yeah, and I mean, I'd rather he selects England just so Scotland don't win anything. But of course, yeah. So says a former England goalkeeper. I'm more magnanimous about that. and consider myself very much to be British rather than English. So I have a lot of love to discuss.

I mean, the one thing, if it was ever to become a serious debate, as in the option to play for England, I mean, playing in a World Cup, representing your country, however you want to define that, if Harvey Barnes got the opportunity to do that for Scotland, then he would be foolish to say no. That's all I would say. Just touching on City one more time, David.

Four defeats for them. That's the most defeats, a pep. Guardiola side has ever suffered in the opening 12 league games of a season in his managerial career. Wow. Wow. The reliance on early Ireland is obvious. You know, Estab is still the second highest goal scorer for cities and it were two goals, two own goals. There's a way of nullifying cities attack. I mean, I was at the game against Arsenal, funny enough, scored early with Erland and then all of a sudden it was just backs against the wall. It's probably the best defensive display I've ever seen from City.

But the point being is that as brilliant as one player is with players that are good, very, very good, I have to say. It's still not the full package. But I go back to the point that you ask, Aaron, should it have been a penalty? Well, that should have been a penalty. And then all of a sudden we are talking about a completely different game. Luke, last one.

Optimistic ahead of the weird time derby, mid-December. Sondland beaten 1-0 at Fulham. Raul Jimenez, with the winner. How are you feeling ahead of it? I'm very neutral in that debate, Aaron. As you will know, I do not support Newcastle United, despite David trying to claim that I do.

I have. I'm going to be... 30 years of following them, oh yeah, oh yeah. No, as a professional journalist, I am a latent orient fan, David. You know that. I shouldn't need to remind you.

Have you got love for Newcastle? No. I have equal love and affection for both Newcastle and Sunderland. But I do live. in Newcastle and I am married to a Geordie. So make of that what you want to, and my children both support Newcastle.

So you can make of that what you will, but I am not I'm not picking a side in that fight. I am looking forward to it. Hang on it. Hang on me. As a festival of football. Aaron, can I just point something out here? Of course. Yeah. Every time we do this podcast and Newcastle won, Luke has

like a little buzz about him. To the point, I think his buzz interferes with the electrical communications. If my wife is happy, David, I'm happy. That's all I'm saying about that. Happy life, happy life. Yeah, exactly. But that Derby Arant, that is a humdinger,

because the last time they sort of went into it sort of evenly matched was way back when Raffa Benitez took Newcastle down. I can't remember that was it so long ago, 2016, was it? 17, yeah, and Sunderland have traditionally had the better of the derbies, six in a row before Newcastle won in the FA Cup there. a couple of seasons ago and sort of humiliated

Sunderland on that day a little bit they posed the whole team photo in front of you remember it was taken in front of the stand that all the Newcast United fans were in it was a bit of a one-sided affair that is going to be crunch time and I might be biased

but I think the North East Derby is the most tribal and passionate of all the English Derbys and it is going to be a very very tasty affair because Sunderland will really fancy their chances of winning that one at home and Newcastle will go there really worried about losing

so the best derbies are always like that aren't they I think when there's something riding on it something big so yeah looking forward to it but I'm not picking a side net Aaron you will not get me to say who I want to win that game the way you said the most triable of derbies I wish we could expand into it and discuss that further we can't we've got to talk about Leeds United Astinville came from behind to win 2-1 at Ellum Road Leeds dropping in to the bottom three

Here's their boss, Daniel Farker. First and foremost, we are concentrated on the result because we want to win football games and want to win points and this is why we are disappointed. Performance-wise, I was happy because we are have returned to lead tonight and how we want to be brave, aggressive, good pressing, good counter-pressing,

aggressive with a ball, really good first half deserve to be in lead. On this level, you have to make sure that you don't concede to any goals anyhow because you can't expect always to score three or four goals and all to win points. the two goals that we have conceded

unnecessary were annoying and this was today crucial of course they had also like a fantastic goalkeeper today Martiness was great saves first half Brennan Evans and second half Pascal Swick was also decisive but today if we want to be self-critile and we have to speak about the situations

why we concede the goals that's another defeat you into the bottom three are you concerned at this point about your own position going forward no it's nothing what I I spent 1% of my time to think about, I'm just concentrated on my group and what we have to do in order to stay up. So I can't afford to think about my position or whatever. The only thing is more like how I manage to keep this let's up. We had a good start right now in terms of results.

We had a bit more difficult period. I was expected it would be at some point a bit more difficult period today. very unlucky and very undeserved, I would say, but also after such a result, you have to speak about the things that you could improve and definitely is to defend on the left flank before the goals better, yes. Daniel Farker speaking to Chris Sykes,

five defeats in their last six for Leeds, United Luke. And, I mean, it's just not pretty, is it? It's not. And Daniel Fark, he seems to be one of those managers who's constantly under a little bit of pressure. There's constantly chatter about his future. if you remember just after they got promoted there were stories in the press

about Leeds looking at moving on from him in the kind of warm afterglow of promotion it sort of started immediately with Sunderland doing so well I think that stings as well clubs like Leeds because they will think of themselves as been on an even playing field to Sunderland and finished above them in the championship last season

so it's not good leads will I think the Leeds board will start to get twitchy um as you say that that's not great form but i actually thought they were okay against villa and i think they deserved the point they were they're a bit unlucky to have that goal ruled out from from dominic albert lewin i think the team are still playing for him leads were and they can't lose sight of this just because sundland are up you know towards the top end of the table leads were always going to struggle this season it was always going to be a battle and you can't you can't suddenly get ahead of yourself of where you are if they

He finished four from bottom this season for Lees. That's a hugely successful season for them. They're still very much in touch with the teams above them. They've not been cast adrift unlike Wolverhampton Wanderers. So I feel a bit sorry for him as a manager because I don't think that helped in the summer when in the moment where he should have been celebrated, people were talking about him being replaced as manager.

So I hope they give him a bit more time. I think there's been enough from Leeds so far for him to deserve a little bit longer at least. And the next three fixtures couldn't come any harder. a manned city away, Chelsea at home, Liverpool at home. I'm just looking at the results here, actually. I think one of the problems is, and I go back to what I said before, if you're losing games of football, then any logical alternative seems like a plausible argument.

Beating West Ham, when West Ham weren't in particularly good form, drawing as Bournemouth, which was a good point, you would argue, because Bournemouth, everyone's saying to have a good season, beating wolves, and you go back to drawing in Newcastle, who didn't start particularly well. and beating Everton on the first game of season, which I think should have been a draw, shouldn't it? I think it was a penalty, if I remember rightly.

Everything that Luke says about supporters wanting to see their team do their thing. Leeds fans are no different to anyone else. They make a very noisy Ellen Road, and they want to see their team win games of football. And what they saw today might have been a decent performance, but you don't get the results. That's not good enough. So Villa threw it up into the top.

for Morgan Rogers with a couple of goals elsewhere bleak for wolves losing 2-0 to Crystal Palace in Rob Edwards' first game in charge. Brighton came from behind to meet Brentford 2-1, Brighton's Bart Verbruggan

saving a stoppage time penalty and Bournemouth came from 2-0 down at home to West Ham to rescue a draw. David, Luke, thank you. Danny Wilbeck. Denny Wilbeck, World Cup. We haven't got time. We haven't got time. That is it for this episode of the Football Daily. The next one will be the Monday Nightclub.

Chapman, Chris Sutton, Rory Smith, and Johan. He's not going to the World Cup. If Harvey Barnes is going, then Danny Wilbex going. If you can get him in your Scotland squad, he's going to the World Cup. That's the decision he has to make. Does he say, keep saying I might get in the England squad. Probably not. But come on, get MacBarns.

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