Football Daily - TCV: On the buses & Enzo lacking respect?

Episode Date: September 4, 2026

John Murray, Ian Dennis & Ali Bruce-Ball discuss life as football commentators. From stadium sponsors and the new commentators’ view at Coventry, to their thoughts on deadline day transfers in the Premier League. Who will take top spot in Clash of the Commentators? Will we see a division one entry in the Great Glossary of Football Commentary? And there’s a new jingle… Messages and voicenotes welcome on WhatsApp to 08000 289 369 & emails to [e-mail]01:00 John’s trip to Salford, 02:30 Stadium sponsors, 05:10 Ian’s trip to Coventry, 12:00 Will the Spurs malaise continue? 17:10 Enzo Fernandez lacking respect? 20:35 Are Arsenal now short up front? 21:55 Will Ian get stuck in Porto again? 25:40 Commentators on the buses… 32:30 Clash of the Commentators, 38:45 Unintended pub name of the week, 41:30 Great Glossary of Football Commentary.5 Live / BBC Sounds commentaries: Sat 1500 Nottingham Forest v Spurs, Sat 1500 Man City v Coventry City on Sports Extra, Sat 1730 Hull City v Aston Villa, Sun 1400 Everton v Man Utd, Sun 1630 Arsenal v Chelsea. Great Glossary of Football Commentary: DIVISION ONE 50p head Agricultural challenge, Back of the net, Back stick, Back to square one, Backside and elbows, The Beautiful Game, Booked, Bosman, Bullet header, Caretaker manager, Channel of joy, Coupon buster, Cruyff Turn, Cultured/educated left foot, Dead-ball specialist, Draught excluder, Elastico/flip-flap, False nine, Fox in the box, Giving the goalkeeper the eyes, Grub hunter, Head like a biscuit tin, Head like a sheriff’s badge, Head tennis, Hibs it, In a good moment, In behind, Lollipop, Magic of the FA Cup, The Maradona, Off their line, Olimpico, Onion bag, Panenka, Parachute payment, Park the bus, Perfect hat-trick, Postage stamp, Put his cap on it, Rabona, Roy of the Rovers stuff, Schmeichel-style, Scorpion kick, Spursy, Stick it in the mixer, Sweeper keeper, Taking it to the corner flag, Target man, Tiki-taka, Towering header, Trivela, Where the kookaburra sleeps, Where the owl sleeps, Where the spiders sleep.

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ad-free with an Amazon music subscription. The commentators view on the Football Daily with Alistair Bruce Ball, John Murray and Ian Dennis Hello, it's the Football Daily I'm Alastair Bruce Ball and this is the commentators' view where we five live commentators talk about the football

where it takes us and the words we use in our football commentaries. Recording this on a Friday morning ahead of the weekend action. Always a sight for sore eyes, the BBC's football correspondent, John Murray and the BBC Football's Senior Football, too many football's in there.

The BBC's Senior Football Report. Peter. Ian Dennis, that's a good start. Good morning chaps. How are we? How are we? Yes, hello. I think there would... Ball spring to mind. From Alice to Bruce Ball. Quite, quite. John, you should be sort of rested, refreshed and revved up and ready to go because it was a weekend of social engagement. In fact, I know that you have been to one of the English football league rounds that you'd not been to before since we last spoke. Is that correct, sir? Yes, it was. Because I was actually on a BBC training course, of which we are so fond, in Solford,

and two of our mutual friends and colleagues suggested on that afternoon of an impromptu visit to Solford City, which is one of the 92 grounds that I have not been to before Tuesday night. So I had a very entertaining night out at that ground and also a really good football match in League too. that I very much enjoyed. Yeah, looked it up this morning, John. So they scored two late goals, Solford City, to beat Newport, didn't that? Yeah, under new management

and had lost the first three matches this season, but played really well. But then found themselves one-nill down, and this is the absolute beauty of going to watch live sport. In that that night, I think that may be the longest range goal that I've ever seen,

Newport's opening goal, which was scored by, Harrison Biggins, what a great name that is, from probably 15 yards inside his own half, maybe more than that, which gave Newport a shock lead and Salford came back to win. Biggins with a bigon. Yeah, Ian, in a three o'clock commentary, if you were queuing to that ground, would you queue to Morlane or the AIG Stadium? Because that's the other thing I looked up today. And we've got that so often now with stadiums, haven't we, the sponsor's name and the name, Wee. know it by. More Lane. There's so many grounds now that have got sponsorship deals but for me

Abbey Stadium at Cambridge. I remember when they played Leeds United in an FA Cup tie and we were told we had to refer to the sponsor's name. Abby Stadium all day long. I'm not going into that. We had there to Bradford City as well. Do you remember that one again? Yeah, one of Bradford City's many sponsors. Yeah. I mean that has that has that has had about four or five different sponsors. that is Valley Parade all day long. And it's the same for other grounds as well. I will always refer to it as the traditional name. Obviously, Huddersfield is a slight tricky one

because when that was first built, that was the McAlpine. And then it became the John Smiths. Haven't got a clue what it's called. Now, it's like Wiggin. Wiggin used to be the JJB Stadium, didn't it? And then it is now, is it now the DW? Well, it was DW for a time. I do always think.

The brick stadium. That's right, yeah. I do always think of Bolton. I still think of Bolton. There's the Reebok stadium. Yeah. Whereas I think, is that the, is it now? What is it now?

What is it now? Is that still that? I think it is, yeah. Yeah, I think it is, John. Yeah. Two things about my visit to Solford, by the way, which I well worth mentioning, the fact that I've always seen it on the television and thought, yeah, it doesn't look anything special

which is why I've never really busting up to go there but actually it's quite a good set up have you both been? Yes. No. No? Yeah, I really like the way that they've structured it and set it up

and there's a good atmosphere there a ticket for the standing on the terrace was 17 pounds which I thought was quite reasonable for League 2 and it's quite a nice setting you see a church spire from inside the ground, which I always quite like. Is the talk that they're going to move to the rugby league stadium? There was a bit, there's a bit of talk of that, yeah.

Yeah. I hope they don't because that'll mean that I'll have to. That means that I'll have to go and see Solford again, won't I? Yeah. For that to count. And I think we worked out now that I've only got six, it's either six or seven of the 92. I've not been to. Of the current 92.

Of the current 92. The current 92 of their current grounds. Yes. Watching a match inside that ground. So, Ian, how is your visit to the Coventry Building Society Arena at the weekend? See, in my head, that's still the RICO. I really had to stop myself saying the RICO last week. Not high fuel road.

Definitely not High Fuel Road. I was trying to think when I'd last covered a football game there. And at first I thought it was the Olympics, I covered the Great Britain women losing to Canada in 2012, the quarter final. And then I remembered that I did Coventry Stoke City in an FAA cup tie in 2018. So it was still a considerable time since I'd been there. But there's a hotel embedded into the ground. And when I got there on one side of the room, and I got there quite late on the Friday night,

I walked past the chairman's lounge. And I thought, there's no way this is going to be ready. There were still workmen working at around 10 o'clock at night. They had the ladders up. They were working on the lights. It was in a state of disrepair. Anyway, when I checked out the following morning, I think they finished it around 11 o'clock.

And you wouldn't have known. It was like Annika Rice had worked a magic overnight with Challenge Anika. Somebody had come in and had gone bish-bash-bosh, and it was all sorted. And our new position is not in the press box. So we were opposite the tunnel on the other side. A new gantry has been installed and erected for the rights holders, for the TV and for the national rights holders, for the radio. And I've got to say, what a great position.

That could be my new favourite position in the Premier League for a great view, space, vantage points. None of those seats that are fixed in. You can actually move the seat. It's just a normal seat. Not one of those ones that makes you feel as if you're constricted. So, yeah, brilliant. Good. Really enjoyed it.

I did see the pictures because we were sent an email about the new setup there from one of our football producers, Gary, which I thought was a bit short on detail his email, didn't you? I didn't think that was an email. I thought it was a novel. It was like war and peace. So Gary, I'm expecting a call from Gary in the next 45 minutes because obviously we're recording the pod right now

and he is my producer at Hull City against Aston Villa tomorrow so it's almost nailed on. Yeah, he'll be ringing during the recording of this. This won't make the edit. So last week, when he remember he called me and I went, why is he calling me? He always knows someone. And I thought, that's going to make the edit.

So I had to tell him what I'd said about him. It then never made the edit. If he rings during the recording of this, we should get him on air and get him to run through the arrangements at Coventry. Yeah. Yeah. I just hope it's shorter than the email that he sent. You'll mention there, Ian, of Olympic football.

Reminded me, I don't know why this flashed into my head, but my very first assignment at London 2012 was, and it was before the opening ceremony, the football tournament got underway, a couple of days before midweek and I was sent up to Hamden Park to do the opening game of the women's football tournament

North Korea were involved and there was a horrendous mix up where the teams came out onto the pitch and then up against the North Korean names on the big screen they put the South Korean flag. Do you remember that? I do remember that. Yeah.

Yeah. That was quite literally an international incident. It was, John. It was. And the post-match press conference with the North Korean representatives, obviously all coming through translation, was quite something. But it was one of those nights where you think, not why am I going here? Because it was, you know, it was the opening of the Olympics, but you're thinking, this is, this is going to be a quiet night. I can't, I can't see myself getting on too much tonight.

And then something like that happens. And it all, it all kicks off. And can I ask you a quick question, and hopefully you'll give us a quick answer. Because when I was sent to Coventry last week, Herr Chapman made great fun of the fact that we were talking about your ear infection. International Morita replaces crooks. Ian, of course, part of the commentators' view podcast with John Murray and Alastair Bruce Ball. And on this week's episode, they're discussing ear infections that they have had over the years.

Which, if that doesn't bring in the younger... Reveting. I know. I mean, honestly, James. How it isn't the BBC's number one podcast. God only knows. Julia Bold at the Riverside, another goal. Yeah, it's Middles Rowan.

West Brom. So he tried to give TCB a plug and said, yeah, new season. and all they're doing is talking about an ear infection. But how is the ear? You got it in the neck there. I was listening to that. I was on the drive up north. I was listening to that.

I thought, poor old Ian's got it in the neck for my ear infection. Pain has gone, Ian. So if Hare Chapman's listening, the pain's gone, Mark, but it still feels like I'm slightly underwater, slightly woolly sort of hearing. So I've got two more days of spraying this antibiotic into my ear, and hopefully that's going to clear it up. There's the all-important ear update ahead of the weekend action.

If we've got any listeners who have expertise in that field, then be good to hear from them, wouldn't it? On TCV at bbc.c.com.com. Feel free to say we need to try and make it brief about the ear. We can't keep going on about the ear. On WhatsApp messages and voice notes, they come into 08,289-369. Oh, Gary's email in, I've just been reminded.

there was a black shield in front of our commentary position, which looked unusual. Did you see that? So Gary's explained this in this email. It's apparently been installed to block out any solar glare for the cameras. The Premier League did not usually allow clubs to have a gantry on the east side of the ground, and the Premier League said commentary city could build there as long as they built a shield. So there's a shield.

Yeah. Okay. I missed that. I thought I'd read all of it. Miss that. Clash of the commentators to come as well as the great glossary and our unintended pub name of the week. But this is how the weekend's football coverage looks on Five Live.

So Friday night tonight, we've got updates of Ipswich Liverpool. They will go into Premier League kickoff with Darren Fletcher and his guest. Likewise updates of Newcastle, Bournemouth, which is the 1230 kickoff in the Premier League on Saturday. So updates of that into Five Live Sport with the aforementioned hair Chapman, then into the commentary. So, Ian, you've already been to the city ground for a three o'clock this season, but you're back there with Leon Osmond for Nottingham Forest against Tottenham Hotspur.

Tottenham have lost both games chaps, spent a lot of money in the window. Are you at all concerned they're going to have a season again similar to the last couple, or do you think they're going to be all right? My feeling is, I think Deserby will get that sorted, and they've got a good enough squad, and I think they're going to be fine. Yeah, I do. One thing that I'm mystified by is when people are saying, oh, it's what's happening from the last two years. And I'm thinking, well, why is that the case?

Because they've brought in enough new players. So it's not like there is a malaise that is set in from existing players. I think that was the case in previous years. They brought in enough new players. There should be enough impetus from those players to say, come on, we're not having this. Surely. I'm a little bit baffled by Deserbys claim about, oh, we're not up to speed. Well, you've had enough time to get them up to speed with the majority of the players. And then I don't buy that excuse that they're going to need time,

because the players should come in and change the whole mentality and the mindset around that dressing room, surely. But do you not think the malaise possibly, and actually having watched the highlights of that game against Newcastle, they have plenty of chances to get in front played quite well, then the goal goes in against the, then another one, sinking feeling, fans pouring out. Then obviously the media, you know, and we're part of it, sort of tells the story of, well, this is how they've finished the last two seasons and it's, you know, it started like this all over again. But whether there's a general malaise there, but not within the, I mean, that's the job Roberto DeZerby and the players have got to do, isn't it?

Dig them out of that feeling. Well, that would worry me if that was the case, because the mindset should be stronger from the new players who've arrived. and it should be like a clean sweep and then that weak mentality should have been dispatched when the new players come in and if those new players haven't been able to change and transform that dressing room and I'm looking at say Granite Jacquesa at Sunderland

when Granite Jacqueser first arrived on Weirside he came in and said right these are the standards and he helped change the mentality and I think Granite Jacqueser was such an influence at Sunderland in their first season in the Premier League I'm looking at now that the Tottenham players who is one of those players who's going to come in and go right,

this is the way we're going to do things now and if they haven't got one of those players then that would be a concern. I mean, he did have the last seven matches, wasn't it, of last season? He did oversee a bit of an upturn there but I know having commented on their first match this season when they were absolutely taken apart really

by Brenford on that first Saturday night and he after that match was talking about you know, physically, how the players were struggling physically and I immediately thought back to I was talking to some of the Tottenham people before that match and okay, yeah, there've been lots and lots of changes there, you know, ins and outs during the course of the summer.

But the Tottenham people were telling me about their pre-season trip where they went on a 10-day trip to Australia and New Zealand. And as soon as I hear about that, I think, well, I know why they've done that, obviously, it's the financial aspect of it. It's good for the finances of the club. There'll be deals, et cetera, et cetera. but is that the right way to prepare for the start of the season,

a 10-day trip to Australia and New Zealand? So what I'm saying is there are a lot of things settling down still and surely we will see better from Tottenham. I mean, it is almost that it can only go one way. But I think that's a very good game, isn't it, Ian, that you and Leon have got the Forest Spurs match. There's a lot in that, isn't there? There is, yeah, the third highest spenders.

$302 million they've spent behind Manchester City and Chelsea. And a defeat and no goals would be their worst start in 52 years because 74, 75, looking at my notes after I did this, they failed to win or score in their first three games under Bill Nicholson. In fact, they actually lost their first four in that particular season

as they did in 1912 and 13. but defeat with a goal would be their worst start in 47 years and they come against the Nottingham Forest side that Oliver Glasner has got his two players that he wanted when I did them ahead of League United he said I want two quality players he's got Liam Delap

and he's got Daniel Munoz who obviously did very very well for him at Crystal Palace but yeah I just think for both sides were still yet to win and five clubs are yet to get off the mark with a victory so far in the Premier League there will be a lot of pressure on those teams because you need to get the three points on the board ASAP

and Dilap we've spoken in in recent editions about most interesting signings of the summer he very much is one isn't he to see how he'll do that yeah Igor Jesus obviously the starting number nine at the moment but yeah Liam Delap in the door at the city ground so so five live Saturday three o'clock Ian and Leon with Nottingham Forest against Spurs

Enzo Fernandez says he's joined a big club in Manchester City That's our He's a stirer, isn't he? Manchester City He's disrespectful to Chelsea, that's what he is Yeah Isn't he? They've brought him over, they've enhanced his career

Because you wouldn't have paid that On the evidence of what you witnessed at the last World Cup in 2018 You wouldn't have paid that money for him And then he's, they've enhanced his career He's had success with Chelsea And then he's been disrespectful I thought he showed his true colours. Well, I mean, it's also, it's very deliberate, isn't it?

That's not a whoops slip of the tongue, isn't it? That is very deliberate. That is how he plays. That's his personality. He should show grace. He lacks grace. Nevertheless, he becomes the first man to be transferred for more than 100 million pounds twice. So he won't be taking any hurt.

No. So when he makes his Manchester City debut, it will be interesting to see the reaction to that. Manchester City against Coventry City and 3 o'clock Saturday on Sports Extra. I'm then at Hull City Villa for the Saturday 5.30 commentary. I'm then going to switch.

High flying Hull City. I do. Two wins out of two. And Aston Villa. It's remarkable, isn't it? Aston Villa, having won a European trophy and then lost the spine of their team and they're a hole sitting right up near the top of the table

with two wins out of two. So that's a really interesting game. I've got Stephen Warnock alongside me for that. Then I'm going to move into the presenters' chair on Sunday. And Five Lives Premier League Sunday, this is where John gets involved. So 2 o'clock, Everton, Manchester United, after United's big win against Ipswich last Sunday. That's Vicky Sparks and Pat Nevin.

And then, John, the first really sort of big heavyweight clash of the season in the Premier League, Arsenal against Chelsea from the Emirates. And Arsenal, we know, have started really, really well. But Chelsea have also started well. And whether there'll be a threat to Arsenal long term, but they could certainly do them damage in a one-off game, couldn't they? Yeah, just the start in terms of results. I mean, winning starts for both teams, which sets it up brilliantly,

and just the start that Chelsea will have wanted, as has been widely discussed with no European football this season, to really get off to a strong start under Shabby Alonzo. And, you know, put themselves in a position whereby they will be the team that has plenty of time to prepare for all. of their Premier League matches alongside their domestic cook commitments. And yep, it is, I think you're right. I'll need to set it up in that way.

And I'm very much looking forward to working alongside Matt Ubson for the first time since before the World Cup as well. Everton, Manchester United, with the frustration, the supporters being disillusioned at Everton, I nearly said Gooderson there, but, you know, with their transfer activity, I think that atmosphere could be, that would be one to gauge, certainly and want to monitor.

Yeah, David Moyes has made that quite clear, listening to him in his post-match after Everton's game, the weekend. I think that's a really good five-live Premier League Sunday. What about Ian John, the business that Arsson have done this summer? Because since the closing of the transfer window, and there's been gazillions of pounds spent in the Premier League, some seem to feel that that Arsenal may still be a little bit short up front. Well, I suppose when you think Gabriel Jesus is gone and Gabriel Martinelli and Trossard, you know, that's, you know, they were, they were, they were quite, well, certainly Trossard and Martinelli, were quite strong contributors, weren't they?

And so there's been a little bit of change. And I think the expectation was, wasn't. that there might be another striker and obviously Julian Alvarez who's ended up staying at Atlago Madrid, you know, had he come in, and I know they've really strengthened the midfield, but had he

come in and being in a position whereby, you know, suddenly they've got that caliber of player as well. And I think it's interesting with Arsenal. Yoccarez has really not particularly figured yet this season. Havert's has been the man. So,

however, on the field, you know, they've looked good, haven't they? And I've lost count of the number of times I've heard people say, well, Arsenal are the team to beat. Champions League back next week as well. So that's your weekend action on Five Live and BBC Sounds across the BBC Network. Champions League back next week.

And so for you, Ian, first up, match day one, that means a trip to one of our favourite cities, I feel, all of us. Porto against Manchester City in the Dragao. Yeah, I go cold at the thought of Porto. I'm not too sure. Did we have play the

audio the wrong way over the bridge no that was Lisbon in 2004 and I didn't drive over that bridge once

the Vasco da Gamma bridge I drove over it twice the wrong way that was in the days before we had a sat nav is my excuse but no Porto was 2019 in the Champions

League not Champions League and I was coming back from Gimaraj and I had Chris Sutton and Chris Waddle in the car and Steve Bridge is the engineer and the little

Satnav device had said, let you down. Take this little rat run, cut through this little road. And as I drove down, I thought this road's narrowing. And then I got stuck. I got stuck in the road. And then we actually couldn't get out for

what felt like about half an hour. So I'm not driving in Porto. I think we've played that audio out on this podcast and it's still saved in my library because It's only about 12, 13 seconds of audio, but it's the unhelpfulness. It's the unhelpfulness of Sutton and Waddle.

Well, in typical Chris Sutton fashion, he started filming. You can't go. E, man, God. You've got lords on your sake. You've got tons of them on your side. Man on my. I think tons of stoopier. So those are our big two Champions League commentaries this week.

Ali, you will be at Anfield. Yeah, no, really looking forward to that. So Atletico-Madrida coming to Anfield on the Wednesday night. So I've got Paul Robinson alongside me for that one. And Liverpool, obviously, you know, finding their way, having made the signings they've made, and under Andonia Iola. And there is time in the Champions League format to, you know,

I think particularly for the English, clubs and their strength of squads to, you know, if you do get off to a slow start, you can still rescue it. But that's an interesting early test. I think that'll be a good game and that'll be a really good atmosphere on the Wednesday night. So yeah, 545 Tuesday, we've got updates of Villa at Bruges. Ian and Pat at Porto, Manchester City on the Tuesday night. I'm at Anfield on the Wednesday night and we'll also have updates of Arsenal at Napoli and Thursday updates of Manchester United against Sabah of Azerbaijan. That is how Manchester United returned to the Champions League.

Now, we were talking last week about that Champions League draw. John, not a big fan, suggested it should possibly just be scrapped. Mal gets in touch with TCV and says, Hi, fellas, I enjoyed your most recent podcast. First time I listened, but don't tell anyone. My view is, it's not the draw, the actual draw that's the problem, but it's everything else around it. the soprano singing, the interminable interviews,

and the meaningless trophy presentations they went on for half an hour. That's always been the case, though, Mal. I mean, many a time when I actually used to go to Neon for the drawers, this one was actually in the Grimaldi Forum in Monaco, and I've been there too. And that's always been the case. I mean, it's like, sometimes you lose the will to live. Yeah, but they want to present all those awards for the previous Champions League season, don't they, which is what they do.

And an actual fact, because the draw is what it is now, and it is just a list of fixtures, and it's very difficult to get your head round it. They probably do feel that they need a bit of Rasmatazas, as they would see. Great question here from Olli and Bishop Storford. I like this one, because this is very open-ended. We could go anywhere with this. Says, hire TCV.

I love the pot. I've listened to every episode, unlike Mal, since the start. After moving house in the summer, I'll be taking the bus to school for the start of year nine. So I was wondering whether you have any stories of bus journeys on your travels. You guys have really boosted my ambitions of becoming a football commentator. Thanks, dejected Lester fan, Olli. So bus tales.

I'm a big bus user, as you know. Well, you just use public transport altogether. I like that, you know. I'm big public transport advocate, Ian, as you know. My bus journey, the one that springs to mind, actually ties in with the Champions League. when we were actually once in Monaco at the Grimaldi Forum and it was when Fulham were in Europe and they dispatched one of their directors a guy called Mark Collins lovely fella out to represent Fulham at the draw and a new mark for

for a number of years and I was trying to get back to Nice Airport to get my flight home after commentating on the draw I can't remember who I was with it might have been Nigel Adderley anyway came out and And Mark said, well, why don't you help on this coach? And it was for all the UEFA delegates and representatives of the various clubs. So just walked on this big white coach, walked to the back, sat near Mark and kept our head down. And then there was all sorts of dignitaries walking on. And that no one actually checked that there was just two journalists who had basically got on for free

to save us a 50-Euro taxi drive from Monaco to Nice. I was part of, I felt part of the UEFA family that day. Well, I got a little bit back from UEFA, which is nice. And as you know, Ian, I love a bus from the airport. If I can get a bus from the airport, then I'll always try and do that. And I had a great one, Champions League final Budapest at the end of last season, got the bus from the airport, ended up sitting next to this guy who had just arrived from America. He was from Ukraine originally.

he lived in America for I think 20 years or more and he was making his first trip back to Ukraine to visit his family. So he was on his way to Kiev. And I was thinking, goodness me, you know, because he was some age as well. And I was sort of trying to be polite, asking whether he had any trepidation about that.

And he didn't at all. And he was going to get on a train in Budapest to go to Kiev. And it had a fascinating, fascinating life story. And you do get that on the bus, I find. It's immediately made me think of, but these are sort of internal buses and they're slightly depressing. Whenever we do a ride a cup, in particular, John, where the car park is miles away from the golf course. And on the Friday morning and the Saturday morning, your alarm goes at sort of 4 a.m. And you drive to a car park, at the latest, and you drive to a car park knowing you've then got to get on a bus that you're going to

sit on for half an hour between sort of 4.30 and 5 o'clock in the morning. And just the, I can even, I can even smell that bus now as I'm describing. Do you know what I mean? And just that sort of weariness. I think I mentioned it before, one of those, one of those said buses for the Glen Eagles Rader Cup, they left from McDermott Park in Perth. And I remember, I remember walking round and round, because we weren't sure where the bus is left from. I remember walking round and round McDermott Park in the dark in the middle of the night on the morning of that rider cup thinking, I can't believe this is the first morning of the rider cup.

I'm at McDermid Park and I can't find the bus. It only has one car park, doesn't it? Well, you could be you could walk all the way around the ground. But sure of the coach is going to leave from the car park. Yeah, but there was no sign of the coaches. Yeah. Because we got that so early. So we parked in the car park, there's no sign of the buses.

But anyway, I hope Ollie on his new bus into school for the start of year nine doesn't have any of those sort of problems. And evidence again, once again, that if you are a teenager and you send an email in or a voice note, it'll always get played. And there we go.

We proved it again. My son, Ewan, missed his bus to college this morning because it left three minutes early. So I saw the bus go past and I thought he's not had enough time there to get to the stop. And sure enough, my phone rang two minutes after I saw the bus go. Dad.

So that was a bit of a shocker. Before we get to Clash of the Commentators, Mark in Grimsby has been in touch. Mike Miney actually mentioned this in commentary of Manchester United Ipswich on Sunday because Bruno Fernandez helped himself to a hat trick, so it was on the verge potentially. And he scored another, yeah, Bruno Finanche, of getting a poker of scoring four games. goals and Mark in Grimsby gets in touch. So we discuss the term for four goals, which apparently is a poker,

although that was new to all of us. And Mark says on the subject of a four goal salvo, forward slash haul, etc, surely quattric. Well, it would surely be quattric. Quad trick. Quattric. Quattric.

Quattro. Quattric. Quattric. Catat. Quattric, Maddoch, Maddoch, Madwell. Got it, John. Okay. So who's going to be the first to use that then? And also, I thought, another word for a Fogall-Salvo Hall.

Forgoal Bonanza, I quite like. Yeah, that's good. So thank you, Mark. I like that. I like that as a suggestion. All the suggestions, please. TCV at BBC.co.com. EFL has a brand new home. Hello, and welcome to 72 plus the home of the EFL from Five Life Sports. Aaron Paul and Jovey McEnough tackle the biggest stories from across the championship.

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We've got unintended pub name of the week to come. We've really tightened that feature up this season. There is only one per week. They've got to be good. And then we're on to the glossary as well. But before that, Ian, you get to put your feet up this week for Clash of the Commentators. After a, for the defending champion, a sticky start to the season. Some may even say suffering from second season syndrome.

I'm going to say, knowing that I'm not actually taking part in Clash of the commentators, I have really looked forward to this. The last two weeks, I've approached it with a real sense of dread. And I've got to say that John is the heavy favourite for this. Oh, right. I will say that now. But thankfully, it is a rest for me after what has been a miserable start of the season, lost both. of my two contests. So Ali and John are won from one.

But who will grab top spot? So John and Ali are going to take it in turns to answer a question and then give as many correct answers as they can in 30 seconds. So who wants to go first? Who is going to disconnect? I'll go first then.

I will disconnect. So Ali is disconnected and we're ready to go. So this is why you are the favourite. You are the odds on favourite, John. Because as you know, the 430. commentary is Arsenal Chelsea. And there was an article published on the BBC Sport website this week,

breaking down Chelsea's staggering 39 summer exits. So I think you know where this might be going. 22 loaned out, 17 sold. I want you to name as many players as you can to have left Chelsea over the summer. Your time starts now. Oh gosh.

Sanchez De Sassy. Adraib Yo-Yo. Nicholas Jackson. Mudrick Um Enzo Fernantes Uh

There's a really obvious one I'm listening A garnatrol Oh Now was that In time In time Yeah

Comfortably Yeah That should be enough I think I'm not sure When you were going through them I think I counted in my head seven

I'm not sure That's enough for Ali But I think you're quite good on this Give him the thumbs up. Do you think he's on the phone to Gary? That'd be good, kid. Okay.

Are you ready? How's he feeling about it? I'm just trying to gauge John's, yeah, poker face. Yeah, don't buy into that poker face or forefaces you might want to say. Just concentrate on what you've got to do. Just concentrate. 430 commentary this Sunday's Arsenal, Chelsea. There was an article published on the BBC Sport website this week.

Breaking down Chelsea's staggering 39 summer exits. 22 loaned out. 17 sold. I want you to name as many players as you can to have left Chelsea over the summer. Your time starts now. Enzo Fernandez we've mentioned. Liam Delap we've mentioned.

Cucerea. Robert Sanchez, has he gone? I can't remember if he's gone. Uh, Nicholas Jackson. Who's gone out on loan? Um, Mudrick. tossing

uh don't know wow this is tight same that's about the same isn't that yeah

this is tight I think we might have a draw it is a draw it is seven correct answers each I tell you what you I don't know

about a salvo and a hole you're finished with a flurry yeah I needed those didn't I at the end yeah so what happens

now didn't say the lap ridiculously. So what did you say that? I didn't say. Okay, right. Didn't say Cuckerae. I knew there was a full bag.

Oh, right. Yeah, go to Cooca. Okay. Are you ready? Paying attention? Yeah. So it's a tie. Seven each.

Whoever shouts out, one that hasn't been mentioned wins. Um, um. It'll be not said. Uh, oh. Um, Garnacho.

Oh, no, I've said him. Oh, he said him. We said Garnachow. Come on, let's go for another. Go for another, John. Well, there's going to be some more. Yeah, of course it has. People who've gone out on loan.

What about, I'm just going to throw names out then. I'm going to throw out Baddey and Shield. Oh, Andre Silver. Andrew Silver. Is he? Is he? Is he called? Yeah, after I said, Andrew Silver.

Yeah, but he said Barry Isheel first. I did. I did. I did. You did not. I did not. You did not. I can't believe. Blimey.

I know what's going to. going to happen now. I know what's going to happen now. Yeah, exactly. It's a whole stage of it now. Ali, we're going to have, it's going to be torturous now, we're going to have a new justice for John campaign. Yeah. He said, he said, Badi of Shiel, before you even mentioned

Andre. Yeah, you also said Silver, Andre Silver, not Andre Santos. Oh, you're right. Yeah. Fair enough. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. All right. Take those placards. Take those placards down. Because of the Sylvast. Stop with a hashtag. So, congratulations.

Congratulations, Ali. Two from two. Okay. Two from two. I don't know why you considered me to be such an odd-zone favourite for that. Well, the fact that you're doing Chelsea this week, you haven't done them yet and I haven't started my work for it yet. Well, that's shoddy. Friday morning you've not started your work for Saturday.

That's poor. For Sunday. For Sunday even. 39 players. That's amazing, isn't it? That is. Okay. Good win that, Ali.

Well, good game that, actually, John. I tell you what, that was a good contest. That was a really good game, that. Good game, good game, good game. Can all of a sudden already hear Bruce Forsyth now being dropped in. Good game, good game. I'm kicking myself about Liam Dallab since we have actually said it. Yeah, yeah.

Unintended pub name of the week comes this week from Swansea City supporter Peter and it comes from Alastair Mann's commentary of Leeds Bremford on Match of the Day. Unintended PubName of the week Wilson's giving chase Keller out of his net now in it colour of the card is interesting it's yellow

Tony Harrington has to make the decision as to whether or not this denies a goal scoring opportunity let's have a look and I think the answer to that is no because it's ending in the goalkeeper's arms The goldkeeper's arms is a 1950s pub

serving draft beer from a pall-handled beer dispenser with photos of the greatest British goldkeepers on the walls with their gloves in display boxes. Fat caps and briar pipes are much in evidence along with the obligatory darts board and a roaring fire. Unintended pub name of the week. That's right out of a 1970s game shell. Yeah, isn't it?

That is a great one. The goalkeeper. as arms. That's one of the best unintended pub names we've ever had. But I also think Peter's got it spot on in terms of the establishment as well what it would be. I'd love to go in there. I would love to go in there.

Somebody should start that. Yeah. Would it be keepers from across the world? Would Lev Yashin be on the wall there? Of course. Yeah, all of you, we're thinking the world great goalkeepers. You're having Taffarel up there. Dinosauron. Luis Arcanada. He'd be in there. Yeah.

Would Harold Schumacher get in there? Yes, he would. Sep Meyer. It's entirely possible. There could already be a pub called the goalkeeper's arms, a pub or a bar. There must be a possibility of that. Okay.

Well, get in touch if there is. If you run it, if you own it. That's a great one, Peter. Yeah, well done, Peter. That's just a Swansea. Here's one for you. If there is a goalkeeper's arms, then that will be.

be our next stage of the world tour. Wherever it is in the world wherever it is. We now should say right, we're going to go there. You could see one of those in Australia. I could actually see someone in Australia. I think there's one in the Maldives. Tahiti.

Tahiti? Yeah, so Peter's nailed it there. So that's the high bar. That's the high, well, for a goalkeeper, quite literally, high crossbar. Peter has met the high bar there. That is our unintended pub name of the week. Right, we're on to the glossary.

Our great glossary of football commentary, so we're building a collection of commentary terms and phrases over the seasons. If this is your first visit, first listen to TCV, Division 1 for football exclusive terms, and last week we added three terms into Division 2, which is highly populated,

for being used across various sports. So second season syndrome, which Ian's actually mentioned again this week, Aerial Dual, which came from Ash, the airline pilot, and I think that was Michael Brown, who said aerial jewel during a commentary with John, and romp. Who was, it was romping. It was, Ipswich were romping, weren't they, against, I think it was the last time Ipswich had beaten someone, they were romping. So those, those all went into Division 2. What have we got this week? We have got one from Spurs fan

Helen, who writes in. Jens, I must start by saying how much I enjoy your weekly banter, both insightful and entertaining, similar to a listener from last, week. I often listen while I run, particularly if I'm on a long, slow run, where your melodic tones keep me on a nice, even pace. I have what I feel is a slam dunk division one entry to the glossary. Helen is feeling bold. I just added that bit. It's been in my mind for some time, and having heard this week that the John Murray hurry is only being given for division one entries, I thought it was about time. It's the hooray. It is. Sorry, I read that wrong because of Hurry Murray.

Yeah. I realised I did. Yeah, thank you for that. And having heard this week that the John Murray, hooray, is only being given for Division I entries. I thought it was about time that I wrote in as I would kick myself if somebody else got there first. So my suggestion, this is Spurs fan Helen, is the beautiful game. This is what football is. It surely can't be referenced in any other sport.

hopefully we'll all get a bit more evidence of the beautiful game in action at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium this year. Let me know what you think. I do hope it makes the cut. Well, Helen, I think that is going to make the cut, isn't it? Because that has to be Division I. I've got to say that Helen made a rather compelling case. She did. I think it is incontrovertible, Ali.

I agree. Helen has absolutely nailed it. And she's right. She's done well to get in there before anyone else has suggested. that. It's particularly one I think that comes up during the World Cup when Brazil, you particularly talk about, it's the Jogga Benito, isn't it? The beautiful game. But it's one that we talk about particularly, I think, during World Cup. So that's excellent. That is, that is, so the hooray is coming. At least World Cup. Yeah, exactly. Can I just make a point? So is that

hooray that we've always played. Is that me saying that? Of course it is. Of course it is. Do you know, I didn't realize that. Come on. I honestly did not realize that that was, because you mentioned that last week. Yeah. Who did you think it was? Well, yeah, who did you think it was?

I didn't, I didn't know who it was. I don't know where we got that from, but we got it from you. Clearly. Yeah, because, do you know what's funny about that, John? I honestly didn't realize that that was me. It always struck me that, not that you're precious in any shape or form, I always wondered when we play that out and used that.

I thought, I wonder if John's okay with that sort of sounding slightly silly. I was perfectly alright with it because I didn't know it was me. For now? But now. But now I do. But now, yeah. You're not going to try and get royalties, are you? For your hooray.

Who's the next one from? Matt. It is from Matt the Plymouth Argyll fan. Okay. So Matt says, Hi, John, Ian and Ali. Love the podcast, which I often listen to when walking my cocker spaniel Luna. I know there's been a lot of correspondence from listeners who also listened to your dulcet tones while out walking their dogs,

but I couldn't remember whether describing a footballer as a terrier has already been entered into the Great Glossary, usually used as a way to describe a combative midfielder. For some reason, it makes me think of Dennis Wise, who used to regularly put it. in terrier-like performances in the middle of the park for Chelsea. Let me know if you think this could make it into the glossary and also let me know of any other players you can think of who fit into the terrier description. Are you going to describe any player in another sport as terrier-like?

Rugby league? Possibly. I think we need fans of other sports to get in touch to tell us that because I don't know those sports well enough. I mean, even in a slightly different sense, thinking of someone like Nadal scampering across the baseline, like a terrier chasing balls right and left and getting them back.

And Leighton Hewitt was a scrapper. Would you call him a terrier? I don't know. Not sure. Terrier. Terrier, who we've already mentioned, has got a bit of terrier about him, hasn't he? Yeah, definitely. Yeah. He's Sean Edwards,

I would describe Sean Edwards in rugby league as a terrier. That's good. Yeah. And he Huddersfield town players? Oh, you're not going to believe this. Guess who I've missed a call from? Not Gary. Gary.

He's rugby game. He's like a terrier. Honestly. He is terrier like? He won't let it go. I've just googled Terrier Rugby League. Ernest Ernie Brooks

was also known as the Nick by the Terrier. He was an English rugby league footballer who played in the 1900s, 1910s and 1920s and he was a scrum half wing standoff for Warrington, Great Britain, England and Lancashire. Did he drive the fastest milk cart in the West, though?

Football producer Phil Wye, our colleague Phil Wye, got in touch this week, John. I thought this was a good one. So Phil listens and he asks whether a player working their socks off where that would go in the glossary. You'll always hear football people say that. It's not often applied in other sports, working your socks off. Which is Terry alike as, you know, it's sort of along the same lines. So where, what do we think about that?

Can you work your, you probably can in other sports, actually, work your socks off, can you? Probably, yeah. Not snooker. Probably Division 2. Last one comes from listener John, and then we'll decide which divisions they're going in. Backstick.

How about back stick for the great glossary when referring to the far post at the back stick? You do, in rugby, you would say right between the sticks, wouldn't they? People would say that. But when you're talking about the back stick, which I have to say, is not one of my favorite phrases.

That's a phrase I would never use in commentary. Why don't you like the back stick? I just don't like it. It's just a personal preference. It's the back post. It's the back post. To me, that's footballese. We don't say the near stick, do we?

We don't say the near stick. We only say the back stick. However, it is obviously widely used in football and parlance. And I think that might be a division one. Oh, cricky. So you don't like it, but it does get into Division I. Maybe. Memo to self.

Try and drop in the back stick. Yeah. And working with John next. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. I mean, that could be an unintended pub name, couldn't it? Yeah.

You don't have a pint of the back stick. Right. Terrier. Division two. Division two for terrier because of the other sports. Back stick. Even though I don't like it. Division one.

Okay. Working your socks off, we think, division two, don't we? Because I think you can do that in other sports. but what Helen called in for or Helen wrote in for was the beautiful game where are we putting the beautiful game unquestionably

Division 1 Q John Murray If that wasn't you I still cannot hear that as me But who do you think it was Someone named person Who does it sound like I mean that sounds like you

I think you could play that To any member of our football team And say who is this and they'd identify you there, I think. Presenters, pundits, producers. Apart from me. Anyone, apart from you. In fact, Ali, that would make a good social media clip.

Who is this? I think overwhelmingly people would go, well, that's John Murray Lake. The John Murray hooray is for Helen and for John, and for John, because Backstick has also gone into Division I, our first two, division one entries this season. Right, thank you John, thank you Ian. That is it for this episode of the commentator's view. Questions and correspondence always welcome.

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We absolutely love doing. And yeah, it was just lovely to hear from so many people who enjoyed that podcast. And it relied so much on your correspondence, just like this one does. So we really welcome your emails and your WhatsApp messages as always. So thank you very much indeed for that. Yeah, TCV at BBC.co.com. You can send us a message or voice note on WhatsApp to 08,289-389.3. And the next episode of the Football Daily will be the football interview with Brentford boss, Keith Andrews.

I've got the list of the 39. I mean, I won't read out all 39. I think we did quite well there actually, John. I think you've got the main ones, didn't you? Chalabar. Didn't say Chalabar. Tyreek George. Although he was already, he'd already kind of gone, hadn't it?

Yeah. On loan, badishield. Dario Asugo? Didn't say Dario Osugo. Philip Jorgensen. Jorgensen, as I think he pronounced it. Is that right? Do I lose a point for that?

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