Football Daily - The Commentators' View: Postman Pat, Shaggy & Chunky Porro

Episode Date: October 24, 2025

John Murray, Ian Dennis & Ali Bruce-Ball talk football, travel & language. They discuss a high-scoring week in the UEFA Champions League, what jobs they would do if they weren’t commentators & the unintended pub crawl just gets longer! Suggestions welcome for our Great Glossary of Football Commentary and unintended pub names from football commentary - WhatsApp voicenotes to 08000 289 369 & emails to [e-mail]00:40 Ian gets destroyed by Herr Chapman 04:25 Champions League reflections 11:10 5 Live commentaries this weekend 13:00 What job would they do if not commentary? 17:20 Unintended pub names from football commentary 22:10 Top vs bottom in Clash of the Commentators 34:40 Great Glossary of Football CommentaryBBC Sounds / 5 Live Premier League commentaries: Sat 1500 Chelsea v Sunderland, Sat 1500 Newcastle v Fulham on Sports Extra, Sat 1730 Man Utd v Brighton, Sun 1400 Arsenal v Crystal Palace, Sun 1400 Aston Villa v Man City on Sports Extra, Sun 1400 Bournemouth v Nottingham Forest on BBC Sport website & app, Sun 1400 Wolves v Burnley on BBC Sport website & app, Sun 1630 Everton v Tottenham.Glossary so far:DIVISION ONE Bosman, Cruyff Turn, Giving the goalkeeper the eyes, Hibs it, The Maradona, Onion bag, Panenka, Rabona, Tiki-taka, Where the kookaburra sleeps, Where the owl sleeps, Where the spiders sleep.DIVISION TWO Ball stays hit, Coat is on a shoogly peg, Daisycutter, Has that in his locker, Howler, One for the cameras, Played us off the park, Purple patch, Root and branch review, Row Z, Stramash, Taking one for the team, That’s great… (football), Thunderous strike.UNSORTED 2-0 is a dangerous score, After you Claude, All-Premier League affair, Aplomb, Bag/box of tricks, Brace, Brandished, Bread and butter, Breaking the deadlock, Bundled over the line, Champions elect / champions apparent, Clinical finish, Commentator’s curse, Coupon buster, Cultured/Educated left foot, Denied by the woodwork, Draught excluder, Elimination line, Fellow countryman, Foot race, Formerly of this parish, Fox in the box, Free hit, Goalkeepers’ Union, Goalmouth scramble, Good touch for a big man, Honeymoon Period, In and around, In the shop window, Keeping ball under their spell, Keystone Cops defending, Languishing, Loitering with intent, Marching orders, Nestle in the bottom corner, Numbered derbies, Nutmeg, Opposite number, Park the bus, PK for penalty-kick, Postage stamp, Put it in the mixer, Put their laces through it, Rasping shot, Red wine not white wine, Relegation six-pointer, Rooted at the bottom, Route One, Roy of the Rovers stuff, Sending the goalkeeper the wrong way, Shooting boots, Sleeping giants, Slide rule pass, Small matter of, Spiders web, Stayed hit, Steepling, Stinging the palms, Stonewall penalty, Straight off the training ground, Taking one for the team, Team that likes to play football, Throw their cap on it, Thruppenny bit head / 50p head, Towering header, Two good feet, Turning into a basketball match, Turning into a cricket score, Usher/Shepherd the ball out of play, Walking a disciplinary tightrope, Wand of a left foot, We’ve got a cup tie on our hands, Winger in their pocket, Wrap foot around it, Your De Bruynes, your Gundogans etc.

The Commentator's View on the Football Daily with Alistair Bruce Ball, John Murray and Ian Dennis. Hello, welcome to the Football Daily. I'm Ian Dennis, and this is the commentator's view where we five live commentators discuss our travels, the football and the language of football commentary. With us as ever, old golden face, John Murray and Ali Bruce Paul. Hello. Hey, Ian. You're still glowing as ever. Well, I've had a few days on. I've had a few days off this week, this midweek.

So I'm actually glowing in every side. I'm glowing on the outside and on the inside. Well, that's good to know. And you, Allie? Yes, no, good form, thanks, Ian. Obviously, burning issue of the day. First question that's got to come you away. How was the golf with Hare Chapman?

I heard you say last week, that will take 10 minutes of the pod for this week. And I'm thinking, no, it won't. It won't even do 10 seconds because Hare Chapman beat me. Oh. I've got to say, Andrew Murray was, is my. my new golfing guru, I was three up through six holes. Were you? And then Andrew had been walking me through the course.

So for instance, I think on the third, he said, trust me, get your nine-nine out. I hit it within a foot of the pin. I was actually giggling. And Chappas was chuntering. And if I tell a lie, that was the six, because after that, Andrew said, I've got to go now. And then I shot 20 in the next two holes. And my game nosedived and Chappas won convincingly. and from chuntering he was then quite chirpy

and so much so that on one occasion I said I'm on the green in about four here and he went you're not even on the green and he was just giving me those sort of like snide comments throughout do you know what that's that's a very accurate match report that because the chappas couldn't wait so I sent him a little message I can't remember at some point during the week

I didn't even ask about the golf and he said something like I bet this doesn't get a mention on the pod So I thought, oh, I know what's happened here. But in terms of your match report, Ian, he said, yep, you were three up after six. Drew disappeared. Your head fell off. And he said then for the next two holes, 20 shots.

So I think you were 13 over par for two holes. Yeah, I had a shock. And my game disintegrated. But what was then quite amusing is, I bet he didn't tell you that he had a bout of cramp on the night. Really? He did. He was in agony. Did you have to lie him on his back and stretch his leg out?

I just couldn't stop laughing. And I've actually got it on video. Oh, marvelous. If I'm actually feeling down this week, if I'm feeling down this week, I just look at the video and it just makes me laugh. But also, also Andrew, who loves the pod as well. And we should explain, we should explain, Ian, Andrew,

long, long time member of the Five Live golf team. Oh, yeah. You know, a very, very good golfer in his owner, good enough that he won the European Open. so a European Open champion and all-round good egg. Yes. It was actually quite surreal for me because I've obviously listened to Andrew

for a number of years on Five Live and to have him walking around the course going, get your nine-nine out, keep it steady. I just found myself giggling a lot of the time. But it was a very good experience. But his partner Natalie, bringing it back to the pod because Andrew loves the podcast, she's got a suggestion for the footballing glossary.

So when you have a big hoofed clearance and, you know, Peter Kay, let him have it, that type of thing. Give him his foot back. And I said to Drew, I said, right, I said, I'll mention that on the pod. So if it's a big Route 1 clearance, give him his foot back, that was Natalie's suggestion. I don't know what your only thoughts are for that. I think that might be a north-west England one, do you think? Right. Because it's, I'm funny enough, Andrews mentioned that to me.

And I thought, no, I'm sure I've never heard that. Right. Ali? I've not heard it. I really like it. I really like it. But I've never used it. I've not heard it.

But that's made me smile. But I think that possibly suggests with me sitting down in the sunny south in Salisbury that maybe it is a football phrase that belongs further up the country. Now, listen, while I was having a little breather this midweek, you commented on two quite convincing champions league wins, didn't you? Yes. Arsenal against Athletico Madrid on the Tuesday I've got to say Arsenal once they'd scored the first goal

Atlatico just couldn't live with them. They think they scored four goals in a 13 minute spell and their intensity. Strength and depth as well when you think about it. I mean he only made the two changes from the Fulham game but they are looking

a really really impressive unit and also this is a team that is still missing Erdogard Madiwake, of course, is out injured. Got a number of injury problems still. Gabriel Jesus has not played. He was able to arrest Califiori. And yet, they dismantled Athletica Madrid,

who did pose a threat on a couple of occasions during the game. So, Arsenal and another clean sheet. Yeah. Incredible. I did Arsenal last weekend in the Saturday tea time kickoff at Fulham. Great atmosphere inside Craven Cottage. Fulham had a right good go at Arsenal. You never ever felt

Fulham were going to score. It was just whether Arsenal were going to get through Fulham, which they did with a set piece. Gabrielle Flick-on, Trussard from close range. Arsenal couldn't get the second, but despite everything Fulham did, I just never felt

you know, Fulham... Arsenal looked so strong. They do. In October. Well, no, you're right, because I... Lady Kelly posed a question to Glenn Murray, who was the summariser, about, you know, what about Arsenal and the Champions League success?

And I actually said, well, hold on. I said, this time a year ago, I was watching Arsenal beat a very tame-looking Paris Saint-Germain 2-0. And you wouldn't have even said that Paris Saint-Germain, on the evidence of that night, we're going to qualify. And yet, look what happened in the second half of the season. By the way, talking about Kelly Kate's presenting that night, John, did you hear the start? There was a lovely, I think you know what's coming here in.

There was a lovely little moment just ahead of Arsenal, Athletic. go kicking off. Denno, I think an indication of how big a game this is for Arsenal. Either that, or they found out it's your birthday tomorrow, because there's a light show on at the end row. There is a light show, yes. They've all been encouraged to log into some sort of QR code. Log into a QR code.

You know what it is. What's the terminology for it? I don't know. Just tell us about the lights show. There's lots of lights. Mobile phones, lights. It's a light show, Kelly. That's all I can say.

across the technology there. She also said... You wouldn't have got that with AI, would you? No, you wouldn't. An AI commentary would never have come up with that genius. No. Kelly also said, do you know who you share your birthday with the 22nd of October?

And I said Arson Venger, I thought she was being topical with it being Arstall. And she said, no, Shaggy. Is that right? To which I replied, I'd have got away with it if it wasn't for those pesky kids. No. Because not that one.

Her friend sent me a text going, I can't believe that you thought of Shaggy Scooby-Doo rather than... Anyway, Kelly then came up with a really good payoff. She said, it wasn't me. Yeah, yeah. I knew that was coming. Yeah. The Chelsea game, the following night, John.

So another convincing win for an English team. Enzo Moreska made 10 changes. Yeah, yeah. Which I think is very interesting, you know, looking at the teams that were picked in the Champions League this week. Yeah, carry on. No, go on. So why do you think?

Well, it goes back to, you know, I was saying at the start of the season when we're talking about the Champions League. I think the managers are now looking at it slightly differently in thinking that, you know, we will progress in the Champions League. And actually, this is the chance

to make one or two changes. And I think we're seeing that across the English clubs in the Premier League. They're not necessarily playing their strongest teams in the Champions League, Whereas in previous times, in the groups of four, that generally would be the case. You know, play the strongest teams and get qualification done.

We referenced it in the commentary is a little bit like Chelsea in the Europa Conference League last season, when Enzo Moreska was very comfortably able to make loads of changes, win games, keep sort of non-regular playing members of the squad happy. Obviously, I don't think you can play quite as fast and loose with the Champions League, but I just wonder whether he'd sized up the opposition a little bit here. Iax are not in a good moment, as we discussed on the last podcast. Then not helped by the sending off 17 minutes in. But it was a madcap first half.

It was a fairly humdrum second half. But the first half is one of the most amusing first half of football I've commented on five goals. The red card, three penalties. The third penalty, after the ref gave the third penalty and a couple of the IX players complained, he just shrugged at them and said, what do you want me to do? foul someone inside the penalty. He just kept pointing to the spot. And then, and just sort of the Veghorst cameo. So Veghorst sort of decided to take it upon himself to try and rescue Iax, who were down to 10 men, scored his own penalty. But the challenge, honestly, that you've

probably seen it, the challenge he puts in on Enzo Fernandez to concede the first penalty against Iax is one of the most ludicrous send a forward clumsy challenges you will ever see in your life. It was just, and I was full by John, in the commentary, I thought he must have won the ball there. You don't go in like if you're not going to win the ball. He just took everything apart from the ball. It was hilarious. But I think you probably can play fast and loose with the Champions League. And I think probably coaches are influenced by the fact that Paris Saint-Germain finished, what was it, I think it was 15th, 15th or 16th in the league phase last season and then got stronger and stronger and went on to win it. The only thing about that, and I mentioned this

on Tuesday, is that when we did buy Munich Chelsea on match day one, Harry Kane was talking about how Bayern really rude not getting into the top eight of the Champions League last season because those two additional games in February I think they felt really hurt them when they played Celtic in the playoff round. I think that's a fair

point but I think as long as you finish in the top eight. Yeah, I agree with Ali. I think it's dependent on the opposition. You think that Mikhail Artetta made six changes against Olympiacos. He only made two against Atletico Madrid. I bet you he'll go near a six for when they play Slavia Prize.

in their next match in the Champions League. But we also had a little look at the Chelsea squad, which is vast, but actually then looked at the team and thought the only ones, I'm trying to remember who was sitting on that bench, who you would have thought, well, maybe, you know, they should be starting.

Netto was on the bench and didn't get a game and got a rest. Gusto was in the game. Cuckerea was on the bench. There was also Reese James. Garnacho, they were on new substitutes as well. And talking of Chelsea, that's where we're going to be based

for our five live commentary this weekend. And Ali's in the hot seat with Steve Sidwell for the 3 o'clock goal service and commentary and on Sports Extra we'll provide you that alternative listen of Newcastle United against Fulham and John Yor at Old Trafford for 5.30

Manchester United against Brighton and Hove Albion with Paul Robinson and then on Sunday it's Arsenal Crystal Palace at 2 Aston Villa Manchester City also at 2 is on Sports Extra. Bournemouth against Sean Deich's Nottingham Forest on the BBC Sport website

and app. Wolves against Burnley another two o'clock kickoff also on the sport website and app and then John you're with Sue Smith at Everton against Tottenham for what will be your first visit to their new stadium? Two firsts for me on Sunday, first

visit to the Hill Dickinson Stadium and also first time working with Sue as my summariser so I'm very much looking forward to that you know a bit of variety. It doesn't do any harm does it? So you're not in operation this weekend.

No, well, I think the birthday celebrations continue. Did they? Did they? Yes, they do. Yeah. I've forgotten what age I am, but yes. Yes, well, fancy that. I didn't realize that.

So you're having a breather as well. It must be that time of the year. I've had a breather ever since I did the Arsenal game in midweek. Have you? Yes. I'm much deserved, if I may say so. Why, thank you. You look out for those donuts at the Hill Dickinson Stadium.

I'm not really a donut man. You know, I'm not really a biscuits, donuts kind of guy. No. Did you see that Manchester City's Yosco Gvardial revealed this week that he nearly quit football for basketball when he was struggling to break through at Dinamo Zagreb as a teenager? So here's a question. What would we have done if we hadn't gone into football commentary?

Well, I would probably... There's a chance that I would have been involved in something. agricultural. You know, probably something like that. If I had not moved away from Northumberland, probably something a lot. And my mother always wanted me to be an auctioneer, you know, like a farming auctioneer. Yeah, I knew exactly what you meant as soon as you said it. Yeah, but not like someone who's selling furniture. It would be like an agricultural auctioneer. Yeah. How would you have done that, John? Can you give us a little? I would have done it. I would, well, I don't know. I've never done it, so I would have to do it to know how to do it.

Okay. So I think, as has been revealed before on this podcast, my degree at university was Italian and drama. So I've always enjoyed languages, Deno, so wondered about the possibility of translation a long, long time ago. I don't think I was ever going to make it on stage and screen, although I did enjoy. Hugh Grantling, as we always say.

But the other one, the other field that really interested me back in there was advertising, quite like the idea of sort of trying to come up with campaigns and slogans and that sort of thing. Which, of course, was Murray Walker was famous for working in advertising. He worked in advertising. And I think did he come up with the phrase, Amazadei helps you work rest and play? Really? I think I'm right in saying. Yeah.

So that was his main career. before he became a I didn't know that and then obviously I watched the series Mad Men and thought oh yeah I should have worked in advertising that was just such a good I mean that's obviously a different era

and fictional as well clearly but it yeah really made you want to sort of be around and working in that industry at that time what about you did I think I would have looked to the police did you which side of that

What do you mean, which side of it? The right side or the wrong side of the law? Belier. That's terrible. Chief Inspector. I also have always had a hankering to be a postman. I've always fancied that. I mean, I know nothing about that, John.

But what a trace of you, I, the thing I would think about that is early start, hopefully, get the work out of the way and then have the rest of the day to yourself. Good exercise. Good exercise. Lots of fresh air. Yeah. I always see that, you know, walking around with a shorts on, you know, doing that. Talking to people. Talking to people.

Yeah. And, yeah, I mean, I wouldn't be doing it somewhere in the inner cities. I'd be wanting that. I'd be wanting around in the Lake District or something. I can know, I mean. Like postman Pat? Well, yeah, no, yeah, possibly. I know he claims he doesn't listen, but I can already hear

Hare Chapman's intros to the next commentaries featuring the pair of you as a policeman and a postman. That is absolutely nailed on, guaranteed. Listen, he can call me what he wants at the minute, whilst I've got that video of him with cramp. I keep going back. That is the gift that keeps on giving, I can tell you. And we'll talk more about these games in the commentator's view, extra,

out on Saturday morning on your football daily feed. Which is something new, isn't it, this week? It's a bit of a trial situation. Well, they say it comes in threes. John, you're in the new stadium. You're working with Sue, and you're also featuring in the commentator's view extra. Commentator's view extra, yes. So the commentator's view grows legs.

Yeah. Not that we're getting anything extra for it. Well, I mean, it could all. I mean, it all builds the case, doesn't it, for the tour, which we haven't mentioned for a while, have we? No, we haven't, no. So it's almost growing out of control. isn't it? Yeah, that's going to be

sort of pre-match live shows ahead of commentaries. Yeah. I mean, it's just, yeah. Although I think the tour could be on the back burner after, I'm more interested now in the unintended pub names pub crawl.

I think that could, yeah. We actually had some great unintended pub names from football commentary last week. The hairy Kukorea, the falling canate, the watching Madonna,

the cramping Ogbona, to name a few, and in off the crossbar, and this week Robert writes in from Yoval I think the pub names will run and run after the watching Madonna we had Mick Jagger watching Fullum against Arsenal but I couldn't find a suitable reference

in the commentary but on match of the day we had commentary on Sunderland v. Wolves and Guy Mowbray gave us a suitable pub name for Weirside That's a difficult one to defend but Wolves have managed it Ballard couldn't get the touch at the end how those bounces

spin on it that's what takes it away from the flying Ballard he didn't duck that one did he oh Ballard sorry

that's a good one Mike and Hales Owen also sent us that suggestion as to Dan in Bristol and Terry in Bromley so thank you very much Kidaminster fan Sean and I heard this one live

Sean high all an entry for the unintended pubs names it comes from five lives Jonathan Pearce in the Spurs Villa match on Sunday in second half stoppage time. They want to play on. The referee says, yes, go on. You've got possession. And Bergfeld now for Spurs with the striking blonde hair out to Chunky Porro. Porro down the line here is a run from Kudas, fleet of foot.

Do you know, I was listening to that as we were sitting at Anfield with Stephen Warnock. And when Jonathan said that about Porro, Stephen Warnock sort of nudged me and looked at me as safe to say. Porro, Chunky. But also, Jonathan Nair has just called him Chunky Porro. The V is not there. So Chunky Porro could also maybe be like a dish on the menu in the pub. Maybe it's a type of sort of a condiment, I don't know. And this is one that I heard actually, because I was listening back to the excellent Crystal Palace Bournemouth match from last Saturday afternoon.

when Chris Wise was commentating alongside the former Nottingham Forest defender Luke Chambers. He takes the extra touch, which allows Munoz to make up that ground and cut it out for the easy tapping. The majestic Munoz, so good at going in both directions. It's like one of those hairs on a greyhound track

that just keeps on moving. Bournemouth Corner, 2-2 the scoreline. The majestic Munoz. That's definitely got a ring of a round. a pub, hasn't it? It has, yeah. Doth of Athe, the poor favor and the majestic Munoz. It's a little bit of a little bit of tapas doing the rounds on the tables. And we've also had another one from Will. Hi, commentators, listening to Manchester

City versus Everton last Saturday, I noticed what I thought was a good pub name. Comes to the head of Tarkovsky and he powers the head of forward and Beto will climb in the air and Dewsbury Hall just tries to wriggle away from Matthias Nunes but there was the right back just to stop his run and he's helped out by Savino. In fact, Dewsbury Hall Tatters stayed down. They seem to get his foot stuck in the ground there. We're treating ourselves to Sunday lunch this week at Dewsbury Hall.

I imagine it as a rather smart country in rather than a back street boozer. And that would not have a on the front, would it? No. I bet there is a Dewsbury Hall somewhere, as in an establishment called Dewsbury Hall. We need to find that. Maybe near Dewsbury? Yeah, exactly, John. exactly but the double barrels i mean they they work well with the dirt in front of so i was just thinking

the oxley chamberlain i could see myself having a pint in in the oxley chamberlain yeah welcome to the team behind the team a new podcast series in partnership with the open university where we'll be showcasing the people the tools and the techniques to help athletes and teams reach elite level like all elite sports it's it's a pyramid and everybody's trying to get to the top. It's not just my vision. It's a shared vision amongst the team. What is this?

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Is that a bit like the QR code? It is. Now it's time to log in. Can you log in to the WhatsApp? Well, you two need to log in for Clash of the Commentators. Oh, dear. Yes, and today it is the astonishing, really, five out of five league leader Ian Dennis this season. played five, won five

against the four defeats in a role Alistair Bruce Ball so it's top against bottom it's an interesting question this week oh interesting yeah it's it's well I won't say too much until we get onto it so who is going to go first

top or bottom all I would say to Ali is that I've taken my eye off the ball this week I've kicked back I'm not working today might be the day that it ends If that's the case Without giving too much away That could favour, Ali

Right, okay But this week Ian, with you off duty I actually sent you What I thought was quite a Well, I would say interesting A brilliant quiz question From a, from a We'll be the judge of that

Well no, you saw it John I put it on the group So Bill Edgar who we've mentioned on this On this podcast before A few years back brought out A brilliant book It's got some amazing questions in and I saw one. I thought, well, this will test them. And Denno had it in about a couple of minutes,

straight back with the right answer. And I thought, oh, crikey. So, let's see. Let's see. So who is going to disconnect? I'll give you the choice. Do you want to go first or second? No, your birthday boy, you, do you know what, actually? No, forget that. I'll go first, please. Okay. Okay. Let's let Ian get disconnected, which he is now, right? So we are ready to go. So, Ali, you two have both commentated on high-scoring matches in the Champions League this week. So Ian was at Arsenal and Ali was at Chelsea. In all, the English sides scored 19 goals in the Champions League this midweek, and that is the most by a nation's clubs in one round of fixtures.

There are six English clubs in the Champions League this season. However, there were 17 different scorers, and I want you to name as many of them as you can. So, goal scorer's for English teams in the Champions League from this midweek, and your time starts now. Okay, I was at Chelsea, so that was Guillaume, Enzo Fernandez, Caesado, Estevau, and Tyric Georges. I can't remember the arse.

Oh, Yerkeres got a couple, didn't he? Harlem for Manchester City. Gordon and Barnes for Newcastle. Tottenham didn't score. Who am I missing now? Chelsea Arsenal. Who have I forgotten? Oh, Liverpool.

Eka TK. Gak Post scored. Van Dyke got the header. Did Canate score? I think I've got quite a lot there. You could have kept going. I could have had a chance for a couple more there. That's the running the 100 metres,

getting within 10 yards of the line. We're in easing up. Well, I hope you don't live to regret that. But I think you will win this because I think he will have taken his eye off the ball that's what it's exactly my thought when i saw this question i thought that massively favors yeah and it does help as well john so when you're doing the commentary and then you're going to the other games for update the second match yeah exactly yeah yeah he did the he come on it's got to be it's got to be it's got to win this you win this

okay let's call him back in what about that i was i was gesticulating at him what what about that was it that he didn't understand hello i was beckoning you back and you seem be looking at me as though what does that No, I just saw the two of you laughing and I just assumed that you were still having it so I just, I waited for a clearer sign. Okay.

I thought it was quite clear. No, it wasn't, no. Just looked like you were moving your hands. Okay, are you ready? As ready as I'll ever be. Okay, so you and Ali have both commentated on high scoring matches in the Champions League this week.

Yeah. You were at Arsenal, as you know, and Ali was at Chelsea. In all, the English side, scored 19 goals in the Champions League this midweek, which is the most by a nation's clubs in one round of fixtures. But as I said to Ali, of course, there are six English clubs in the Champions League this season.

However, there were 17 different scorers, and I want you to name as many of them as you can. So goal scorer's for English clubs in the Champions League from this midweek, and your time starts now. Ekateke, Gakpo, Saboslai, Van Dyke, Gordon, Barnes, Arsenal, did the bloody game. I kind of did the game. Yorcaresh, Gabrielle, Martinelli, Martinelli.

I think your complacent confidence has finally come back to bite you there. It helped that Ali was doing the five at Chelsea. Yeah, correct. I think the question was... You saw four at Arsenal. Yeah, which I got the four, and I got some of the Liverpool goal scorers, and I got the Newcastle goal scorer. Yeah, you did.

It didn't get time to get round to Chelsea. No, well, I think that might well have cost you. In fact, I don't think it. Ali was easing up as he Ali actually was celebrating before he crossed the line because he knew he knew that he was going to win this one and the final score

is out of 17 different scorers Ali 13 Ian 9 and you have fallen Ian to your first clash of the commentators

defeat of the season how do you feel Well, congratulations first and foremost to Allie. I do think the question was a little unfair. It was weighted towards Ali. But that said, everything was come to a head. Would that come under the heading of sour grip, that comment? You know what I'm like when I lose.

Unfortunately, we haven't seen enough of that this season. Yeah. So I'm reveling in it. Given that Chelsea made 10 changes, I think that they, I was lucky to be at the game I was at because I was able to rattle them off quite quickly and then not necessarily the goal scorers you'd think of. I actually didn't do very well on Arsenal.

I did remember Harlan scored for Manchester City. Well, the answers are. The answers are, Chelsea, Giu, Kaisadov, Fernandez, Esteval and Tyric George. Yeah. And I'm going to come back to one of those goals scorers in a moment, actually. Liverpool, I think you, between you got all of them, Ekatei Van Dyke, Kanate, Gakpo and Soboslai, Arsenal, Gabriel Martinelli and Tufer, Yokorez, Newcastle, Gordon and Barnes, who've got two, and then Manchester City.

And neither of you got Harland and Bernardo Sulph. And on the subject of pronunciations, I was actually having a look back at Chelsea's video this season. Have you seen that video and have you seen how Estevao actually pronounces his name? no it is very funny yeah now how does he pronounce it it's like I was like

what was that it's like it's wrong stevo one more place steval perfect he

I'm sorry I missed that he he is an absolute delight to comment on isn't he is brilliant to watch and there's so much

language you can use to describe it the funny thing about that You know, in a game like that, there's so many stats that start cropping up. So Chelsea, I think, were the first club to have three teenagers scoring a Champions League game. But the one that tickled me was that Giyu scored, which was his first Champions League goal for Chelsea,

and became their youngest goal scorer. But by half time, he lost that record in the Champions League to Estavow, who took the penalty. So he had the record for 33 minutes. So anyway, in the clash of the commentators now, top of the table still, Ian, with five from six and then joint second, me, two from six, and Ali, two from six.

And your run of four defeats in a row has come to an end. You must be delighted, I am. I am, and Denno's right. I think if I'd been off, I think, you know, and Denno was working this week, well, he obviously was working on the Wednesday, but then obviously celebrating the birthday, taking the eye off the ball.

I think I might have been in trouble there. I think one more win for either of us against Denno, and suddenly we're in it. He will stop walking. He will. Definitely. It'll be like Andrew Murray leaving him on the 7th. It will.

It'll be exactly like that. Yeah. You know, because it was my actual birthday on Wednesday, I did that classic thing. I've been out and I came in. I thought, I'll watch the football on the TV. And then I woke up with whatever was the program on afterwards. And I'd fallen asleep.

Open University? I never even got chance to see the Chelsea goals. I've still got to watch them and had I been at Stamford Bridge this weekend I would have then since watched those games but because I haven't, or I'm not, I haven't. Excuses. Anyway, anyway. Before we do the glossary,

last week we were talking about animals on the pitch after there was a rat running around during the Wales game. We've had a voice note on a similar theme. Salutations. This is Mark Robson here. for me of the Sky Parish. I have lovely breakfast with John and Serbia one time and a Japanese meal in Tourshaven with Alistair Busball after a Faroe Islands Northern Ireland game. Anyway, to my point, animals on the pitch. I was commentating on the radio with the 1985 Irish Cup final between Linfield and Glen Torren at the Oval, the two Belfast Giants, as we call it here the Bell

Classico. See it we've done there. So the manager of Lindfield, who play in blue, was was Roy Coyle, and somehow Eglon Torland-Tan fan got a piglet. Yes, a piglet onto the pitch. After the match, somebody said to me, how do you get a piglet into a football stadium? And I said, in a piglet carrier, of course, you idiot. Anyway, this piglet with Coil in blue writing on its flank was released onto the pitch. Well, that brings back memories, doesn't it, if the pig that was at the MCG, with Eddie and Baltham written on each side of it. during the test match.

So, and actually, Ian, have you found the email that we had from Jonathan Brooks? I have. Well, have you got it? I have, yeah. Yeah. It says, so from Jonathan, who actually is also in Northern Ireland, from Money More,

Jonathan says, listening to the most recent podcast, Ian mentioned that he was always told never to corner a rat. Jonathan says that he grew up on a farm and was also told this regularly, a child, leading me to cover my throat any time I had seen a rat, let alone get in a corner with it. My father tells the story of a collie dog on the farm during his teenage years that they would send in to fish out any rats. Needless to say, they were expertly rounded up by the said collie and summarily dealt with. Keep up the great work. Love the podcast. Beats the mob on a Monday night

hands down. So thank you for that, Jonathan. So there's a bit of support for your don't corner the rat. And hello to Mark Robson as well, because not seeing him for a long time. But I do remember that meal we had in Torchavan, which was one of the great trips, actually, for Faroe Islands. And what was on the menu? Well, I think, well, Joel Taggart was on recently, wasn't he on the podcast, talking about the best fish and chips he's ever had. And I remember taking part in that meal as well. But this, I think, yeah, Mark's right. This was Japanese, I think. I had a Japanese When in the pharaohs? When in the pharaohs.

So now it's time for the great glossary of football commentary where we add listener suggestions of our football-specific commentary terms and phrases to our collection. Remember it's Division 1 for football exclusive terms and Division 2 for terms used in football commentary but are also used in other sports. Now last week we added first cab off the rank

and one for the purists into Division 2 and Spursey, Scorpion kick and in a good moment went into Division 1. However, Andrew in Edinburgh has written into TTV at BBC.co.uk. Gentlemen, sorry to be a fuss budget. I like that term. But I'm concerned about the criteria applied for entries to the glossary. The admission of Hibstit and Spursy last week,

along with in a good moment, does not sit easily with me. These seem to be phrases which are used by supporters, pundits, managers and players in general discourse about football, but I cannot imagine any of you chaps using them in your work. Was the glossary not supposed to be confined to words and usages by commentators as they describe a match? I worry that the goalposts have shifted. Yours in pedantry, Andrew in Edinburgh. It's a fair point. I can't imagine that I would use the phrase

hibstit or spursy I'll be honest with you I think I've heard pundits saying spursy well I was going to say that maybe the summariser would use that but would they have said hibstit well in Scotland they would we would reference those terms just as we've done

on this podcast about in a good moment you would mention you know if let's say Chelsea Wednesday night were playing well I might say in commentary, well, Enzo Moreska might say they were in a good moment. I wouldn't use it myself. Precisely. But it would feature in a commentary. You would attribute it to someone else.

So does the great glossary of football commentary mean the words have to be used by the commentators? I think Andrew might have a point. He's got a point, but I think we should just leave that hanging there. I think we should just leave it hanging. The point has been made. We've actually got another dispute as well whilst we're out there. Yeah, another dispute. This is from Manchester United fan, Dylan.

I'm writing in with disagreement over the statement, give the goalkeeper the eyes. This was awarded Division I status, but I've actually used it in a way, not directly exclusive to football. Well, I was at University in Durham. My friend and I would watch National League Northside Spennymore Town play. While there, my friend developed quite a crush on goalkeeper Brad James.

I would always joke she was giving the goalkeeper the eyes, here, meaning not when taking a penalty, etc., but actually giving someone the eyes as you would in a nightclub or bar. Does this relegate the term to Division 2? All the best from Dylan. Wouldn't it be great if Brad James happened to be listening? I would make his day, wouldn't it?

But I think that's a different use of giving someone, giving someone the eye in that sense, is not the same as giving the goalkeeper the eyes trying to send them the wrong way. In the nightclub, you're not sending someone the wrong way, are you? You're not trying to... That's like... That's the glad eye, isn't it?

Is that right? Is that right? Give you them the glad eye? I mean, I can imagine in a nightclub, packed nightclub... You want to send them the right way. Well, or if you, you know, in a different scenario, packed bar three deep, you spot a little gap, and then someone else is going for the gap,

and you give them the eye by looking the other way, and then dart in. So, I think that can stay in Div 1. In that sense, in that sense of the term, I think that's a different way. But I enjoyed the... the email. So further suggestions for the glossary to TCV at BBC.com.uk. And we do enjoy the voice notes on this subject as well, 08,000-289369. And Joe in London says John Ian Alley, unless I've missed it,

there is a really obvious one for Division I, which falls in the same category as the Croyfe turn. This being the Maradonna, the drag back. by one foot, straight into a drag back with the other foot, usually used to turn direction or go around an oncoming player, famously used by Maradonna, and then beautifully continued and associated with players such as Zidane, Plo, Ronaldinho, et al. I and many others, I'm sure, have fond memories of our childhoods trying to learn and perfect this skill on a Saturday morning.

So Joe suggests the Maradonna for Division I, Alex nodding away. Yeah, I'm in agreement with that, Ian. No complaints from me. Yes, I'm happy with that as well. And what was it called when Zadan did it? Well, which is slightly different, isn't it? Do you know what? I turned to my 13-year-old son on this one.

I was talking about this move the other day, and I said, what is this move called? And he said, well, that's the Maradonna. And I said, oh, yeah, of course it is. And he said, but I think it's also called the roulette spin. Okay, right. Which also, as a term, sort of makes sense, doesn't it, the wheel going round? Because you end up facing the same way, but doing that. But what was it we called it when Zidand did it?

Was it the sedan roll? I mean, he was brilliant at it. Yeah. I remember him doing it, John, the move. But I remember thinking that's, you know, I don't remember it having a name. Producer Nathan's suggesting that it might have been the Marseille turn. Oh.

Which again is not ringing a bell with me. No. Tell you what, that's a good pub name. The Marseille turn. Yeah. I'll tell you what the other one. The sour grape sounds like a good pub as well here. I hope Ian's going to be going...

It's the drinking the hot and grape in Turkey. Yeah. I bet you did. I hope you're going to be making several visits to the sour grapes in the coming weeks. I think you'll be at the bar before me. Ben, a cherries fan in London. Hello, John, Ian and ABB. My suggestion is Tickey Tacker.

You can't help but pitch your peps, Barcelona and the great Spanish side of the 2008. 2012 era. I was amazed to see it wasn't already on the list. Absolutely love the pod and the radio coverage. Keep up the good work. Yeah, that's a...

Yeah. That is absolutely nailed on, isn't it? It is. For Division 1? Yeah. So to summarise what we've got for the glossary this week,

give him his foot back, not widely used enough. Andrew's going to be... Andrew's going to be gutted by that conclusion. Well, it was Natalie's suggestion. Yeah, it was Natalie's. Yeah, but what's come down from above, Natalie, is not widely used enough.

Not looking forward to the feedback from that. No. And Inter-Division 1, the Maradonna and Tickey Taka. Hooray! We'll keep the glossary suggestions coming in, and remember, if you do hear an unintended pub name in a commentary, do let us know TCV at BBC.co.com. Voice notes on WhatsApp to 08,000, 289369.

That's it for this episode of the Football Daily. The next one will be the commentator's view extra as we delve deeper into this weekend's games. And remember, you can find each and every episode of the commentator's view by scrolling down your football daily feed. My screen hasn't updated for that. It's just got some dashes.

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