Football Daily - The Commentators’ View: Shabby shoes & Royal Oak FC

Episode Date: April 3, 2026

John Murray, Ian Dennis & Ali Bruce-Ball look ahead to the FA Cup quarter-final weekend and reflect on England’s far from sizzling World Cup send off. Plus the non-league Ted Lasso, Steve Brackn...all joins the pod live as his Royal Oak FC prepares to take to the field in real life for a big quarter-final of their own. Messages, questions and voicenotes welcome on WhatsApp to 08000 289 369 & emails to TCV@bbc.co.uk01:10 England struggle in ‘send-off’, 05:00 John gets called out for his ‘shabby shoes’, 11:25 5 Live commentaries this weekend, 13:30 Defining week for Arne Slot? 15:45 What if Spurs get relegated? 23:55 Steve Bracknall joins the pod! 33:30 Unintended pub names, 38:40 Great Glossary of Football Commentary.5 Live / BBC Sounds commentaries: Sat 1715 Chelsea v Port Vale in FA Cup, Sat 2000 Southampton v Arsenal in FA Cup, Sun 1300 Arsenal v Brighton in Women’s FA Cup, Sun 1630 West Ham v Leeds in FA Cup.Great Glossary of Football Commentary: DIVISION ONE Agricultural challenge, Back of the net, Back to square one, Backside and elbows, Booked, Bosman, Bullet header, Channel of joy, Coupon buster, Cruyff Turn, Cultured/educated left foot, Dead-ball specialist, Draught excluder, Elastico/flip-flap, False nine, Fox in the box, Giving the goalkeeper the eyes, Grub hunter, Head tennis, Hibs it, In a good moment, In behind, Magic of the FA Cup, The Maradona, Off their line, Olimpico, Onion bag, Panenka, Park the bus, Perfect hat-trick, Piledriver, Put his cap on it, Rabona, Roy of the Rovers stuff, Schmeichel-style, Scorpion kick, Spursy, Stick it in the mixer, Sweeper keeper, Target man, Tiki-taka, Towering header, Trivela, Where the kookaburra sleeps, Where the owl sleeps, Where the spiders sleep. DIVISION TWO 2-0 can be a dangerous score, Asterisk, Back on the grass, Ball stays hit, Beaten all ends up, Blaze over the bar, Business end, Came down with snow on it, Catching practice, Camped in the opposition half, Cauldron atmosphere Coat is on a shoogly peg, Come back to haunt them, Corridor of uncertainty, Couldn’t sort their feet out, Easy tap-in, Daisy-cutter, Drubbing, First cab off the rank, Giant-killing, Goalkeepers’ Union, Good leave, Good touch for a big man, Half-turn, Has that in his locker, High wide and not very handsome, Hospital pass, Howler, In the dugout, In the hat, In their pocket, Johnny on the spot, Lackadaisical, Leading the line, Leather a shot, Middle of the park, Needed no second invitation, Nice headache to have, No-look pass, Nutmeg, On their bike, One for the cameras, One for the purists, Played us off the park, Points to the spot, Prawn sandwich brigade, Purple patch, Put their laces through it, Queensbury rules, Reaches for their pocket, Rolls Royce, Root and branch review, Row Z, Screamer, Seats on the plane, Show across the bows, Slide-rule pass, Staving off relegation, Steal a march, Sting the palms, Straight in the bread basket, Stramash, Taking one for the team, Telegraphed that pass, Tired legs, That’s great… (football), Thunderous strike, Turns on a sixpence, Walk it in, We’ve got a cup tie on our hands.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 The Commentator's View on the Football Daily with Alistair Bruce Ball, John Murray and Ian Dennis. Hello, it's The Football Daily. I'm Alistair Bruce Ball and this is the commentators view where we five live commentators discuss the football, the places it takes us to and the language we love to use in describing it all. Football correspondent John Murray, senior football reporter Ian Dennis are both here, fresh from commentating on a first ever defeat for the England men's team against an Asian nation. so congratulations to Japan for their 1-0 win at Wembley. But we're also recording this chaps in a week when Italy have failed to qualify for a third World Cup in a row. Graham Potter's got Sweden to the World Cup even though they didn't win a single group game. And Roberto de Zerby has been taken on by Totnam to try and keep them in the Premier League. So it's fair to say, John, our script today is more packed than a six-yard box trying to defend an Arsenal set piece.
Starting point is 00:00:54 And not only that, Annie, we've got you back on the commentator's view podcast. It feels like you've been away a long time. It does feel like a while since I've seen you too. Just on the England thing, should England fans panic about what is to come this summer after a pretty lackluster couple of games for the men's national team in this window? Well, I spoke to Thomas Tuchel after the match in the tunnel, and that was very much the message from him. In fact, I said to him...
Starting point is 00:01:24 What panic? Some listeners may have heard. I said to him, I said to him, but this is not what you'd want for a send-off from Wembley to the World Cup. And he said, this is not a send-off. This is not a send-off. The World Cup is months away. It's not a send-off.
Starting point is 00:01:39 As he was saying that, I was looking over his shoulder and on the walls of the tunnel inside at Wembley, in massive white letters, is written the send-off series. So I decided not to point that out to him. Yeah, the FAA were quite happy to build it as the send-off series, but it wasn't a send-off. Yeah, or as Ian said on Friday night, which I thought was a very good line. I mean, what was that terrible game, really,
Starting point is 00:02:05 against Uruguay. Ian said this is more like the send-you-off to sleep series. But I thought, Ian, Paul Robinson, made a great point at the start of the night, so I listened to the whole thing on Friday night, you know, 7 o'clock, bang on all the way through. And he said right at the start of the show, you've got 11 individuals in that team,
Starting point is 00:02:24 all trying to win a place on the planes of the World Cup, playing in a team they've never played him before. What can you expect? And also, I do think you had Declan Rice missing. There was no Harry Kane who pulled out on the day of the game. He would have captained England. He would have played and had it not been for that slight issue that he picked up in training. There was no Bukai Osaka.
Starting point is 00:02:44 So probably of that starting 11 that played against Japan, you could argue that maybe only five or six would be starters for the first game against Croatia in Dallas for the start of the World Cup campaign. So in that sense, they weren't at full strength. However, I do think that it's slightly alarming the fact that England haven't been creating chances against top quality opposition. And John made the point in the commentary. They've now played three teams in the top 20 of world rankings. Senegal, they lost, drew with Uruguay, and have now been beaten by Japan.
Starting point is 00:03:23 And the first match of the World Cup, currently Croatia. I ranked 11th in the world in the rankings. And that means they will be the highest ranked team that Thomas Tuckel's England have played against in that opening group match. But, you know, the narrative now absolutely, you know, it's virtually the first question I said, to Thomas Tuchel, what do England do if Harry Kane's not there?
Starting point is 00:03:44 But if I can slightly reassure people, I did see him in the tunnel. He looked just about as right as rain. And unless I was very much mistaken, he seemed to be whistling to himself when he walked out of the dressing room door, So at the moment, I mean, he's got a packed schedule to come that this is the best goal scoring season of his career,
Starting point is 00:04:04 even by his own standards. But, you know, Champions League, winning the league in Germany. And as Thomas Tuchel said, this is going to be a scary couple of months for him as the England manager, just hoping that he doesn't lose the key players. I'm not too sure whether you can whistle with a lip mic,
Starting point is 00:04:22 but it wasn't this, was it? Don't worry about the thing. Don't worry, be happy. I'm glad you identified that, John. Well done. Very quickly. It wasn't that bad. No, it wasn't.
Starting point is 00:04:40 And I'm surprised at you, Ian, because I would have thought, after the Nuno Espirito Santo incident, you know what's going to happen to that, don't you? Yeah, you do. Yeah, but you can record me whistling all day long, but you'll never get me singing. Singing. Unless it's deacon blue. There's a challenge. Just before we move it on, you chaps are going to have to explain.
Starting point is 00:05:01 this I've got a photo of a dusty pair of boots next to some shiny white trainers that belong to Thomas Tuckl. Elm Park Royals on X has got in touch and says a bit of fun for TCV has John got the oldest shoes out of the three of you. You know what that picture reminds me of John? Do you remember the Shawshank Redemption, Tim Robbins character who swaps the shoes around? Those are what those shoes look like? What's going on there? Where'd you been? It's a contrast between my shoes and Thomas Tuckles fresh out of the box Nike trainers. I'm wearing them now.
Starting point is 00:05:35 They are just, they've got a distressed look. That's what I'm looking, I'm chasing the distrust look. Who took the photo? That's very unfair. Who ever took the photo, actually? Yeah, I'll give you three guesses. Well, I did take the photo, but I wasn't, I wasn't focusing on, on the shabby shoes. I was just trying to take the photo of the fact that John was talking to the England manager.
Starting point is 00:05:57 But with that in mind, not only did we get, that message come in about the shoes. We also got one saying, who's the tallest, John or Thomas Tuchel. And John, you are taller than Thomas Tuchel, aren't you? Comfortably taller than Thomas Tuchel. I also discovered during this international window that I'm taller than James Trafford, who I interviewed, which I was quite surprised that. I thought he'd be taller than me.
Starting point is 00:06:19 There can't be many England managers that you're not taller than. I didn't meet Walter Winterbottom. Well, I tell you what, Ali, I'm just trying to scroll through because that did get a little bit of traction. And there was a parody account. That's right. And I'm, oh, here we go. So it was a parody account on social media. And it was, I translated it from Japanese to which it said,
Starting point is 00:06:52 your sitting pose is hilarious and your legs are ridiculously long. I think that was referring to Thomas Tuka rather than me. But that was from a Japanese parody account. That's what I said. And honestly, the Japanese, Japan had just about as big as following as I've seen a visiting team at Wembley. When you consider it was only their second senior men's England international at Wembley. But I think was it 65, we were told? 65 Japanese media.
Starting point is 00:07:27 And I had a very enjoyable chat with some of them before the match. And in the tunnel afterwards, Japan have won this game. All of the delegation were there in the tunnel. You know, it felt like half of Japan was in the tunnel. I have never seen so much bowing. Bowing on an industrial scale after that match. I mean, they have had a fantastic week, haven't they? Win against Scotland, win against England to take them towards the World Cup.
Starting point is 00:07:56 made so many friends at the last World Cup as well, not just with the way they play, but the way they carried themselves. And also, Ian, in fact, you disappeared on our Q&A episode by the time we got round to favourite football shirts of all time. I love that. Japan, blue, whatever iteration of it is. That's a real favourite of mine, that actually.
Starting point is 00:08:17 The Samurai Blue. Yeah, it's great. I would have gone with Coventry and that chocolate brown. Do you remember that? Yes. Really? As a favourite? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:27 I did quite like that chocolate brown little ditty. I quite like Japan's a wear kit as well that they wore against Scotland. What colour was that, John? It was a white shirt, but it had sort of colourful tin stripe. Yeah. Yeah, they're cool. Correspondence to TCV at BBC.co.com. Let's crack on voice notes on the WhatsApp to the Football Daily number.
Starting point is 00:08:50 That is 08,289-369. And on the international theme, we've had this in from Kenneth in Glasgow. Hello, well, as someone who's never owned a dog and doesn't live in Adelaide, all I can bring to the table is that I am a TCV ever present. Will that do? I was keeping across the World Cup playoff semifinals and very much enjoyed the inadvertent word clashes. Czech Republic, Republic of Ireland.
Starting point is 00:09:15 Penalty check for a Czech penalty. I'd love to get the view of the commentators from the commentator's view on whether they have come across any other unintended word clashes. By the way, I think you missed a trick with the unintended country name, which cropped up on five live sport, when Herr Chapman crossed over for a goal in the Millwall Charlton game. The reporter handed back saying something along the lines of, it's been a long time since Charlton scored at the den, Mark.
Starting point is 00:09:43 Very good. From Kenneth, that is very good. Thank you, Kenneth. That is very good. I do like it when the listeners referred to Mark Chapman as Hell Chapman. but I do too. Yeah, but those are good. I mean, those are very difficult to spot. So that one, Kenneth's talking about there
Starting point is 00:09:58 about the penalty check for the check penalty. I was commentating on Wales that night. And I did hear that. And like Kenneth, that sort of lodged in my brain, but it's quite difficult for us while we're talking and thinking and describing to spot those. So if you spot those, any more of those, do send them in. Well, that's made me think of,
Starting point is 00:10:14 and I know this is one of your favourites, Ian. And I actually bumped into him on the way back from a Champions League match recently, Will still when what was it you said when when his position was was was certainly in some doubt It was will will still what was it will will will will will still still yeah, that's right And he was he was lovely I really enjoyed talking to him actually we had about about ten minutes together in the Yeah in the queue to get on a plane I put I actually put that on social media and it it reads better than it sounds will will
Starting point is 00:10:51 will still still be. Yeah. So, a big weekend of cup football on the way. So straight out of the internationals and we're into the FA Cup quarter finals. A bit later in the pod, we're also going to be joined by Steve Bracknell, who is the assistant manager of the renowned Royal Oak FC ahead of their big cup game on Easter Sunday afternoon. Steve is going to come on and explain all. That game is going to be live on Sports Extra 3 on the BBC Sounds apps.
Starting point is 00:11:21 definitely stay tuned for that. But some day of sport for you on the way on Saturday. So in terms of those FA Cup quarterfinals, John, Wallop, you're straight into action 1215 on Saturday with Manchester City against Liverpool. And obviously you've still got teams there that can win other prizes, but just given where Arsenal are in the Premier League and how difficult it's going to be to win the Champions League for Liverpool, that's a very, very important game.
Starting point is 00:11:50 Yes, it is. Totally agree. So Leon Osmond will be with me and we will be providing updates into Five Live Sport. But yeah, I could see that going a long way. I mean, it feels so important for Liverpool. Well, it's an FAA quarterfinal. It's obviously important. Yeah, but given the context of the season, yeah, no, I totally agree. In terms of our FA Cup commentaries on Saturday, 515 Chelsea Port Vale, John Acres and Pat Nevin with that one.
Starting point is 00:12:19 And then 8 o'clock on Saturday is Southampton Arsenal. So Chris Wise and Franny Bernali there. And then it's boxing again. Now, there was, that fellow Moses Itama. That was a great lesson on Saturday night with his win against Jermaine Franklin. We've got another big fight for you on Saturday night. It's the long-awaited clash between Derek Chisora and Deontay Wilder from the O2 Arena in London.
Starting point is 00:12:43 Then on Sunday, we've got more FAA Cup football at half four. that's West Ham Leeds. Before that at 1 o'clock, Arsenal, Brighton in the WSL, full commentary on that, the women's boxing at Kensington Olympia, and then you chaps have got to get ready for Champions League football
Starting point is 00:12:59 the following week because we're straight into Arsenal away to sporting and Liverpool away to Paris Saint-Germain. Yeah, and just to go back to the FAA Cup match, West Ham against Leeds. So Jonathan Pierce is going to be
Starting point is 00:13:12 commentating on that with Clinton Morrison. My advice to Jonathan would be to get your penalty shootout grid. arranged for that match. I think that may well end up as a penalty shootout. But you two were just talking about the importance for Liverpool against Manchester City. This next week
Starting point is 00:13:28 could be quite a defining period, I think, for Farrana's slot, because the Liverpool supporters, a number of them, are not happy with him. And therefore, if he was to go out of the FA Cup and then suffer a heavy defeat in the Champions League, that could be quite damaging for him. So, you know, we saw what Paris
Starting point is 00:13:48 Germina capable of against Chelsea. Although they actually knocked out Liverpool last season in this competition, but it went to penalties. It was 1-0 to the away side in each of the two legs. But Liverpool will certainly need to keep that second leg alive for the return at Anfield. But Liverpool should have been well beaten in Paris, but won it, with Harvey Elliott's goal. Do you remember Harvey Elliott scored the goal? And Alison said it was the best night of his professional career, the number of...
Starting point is 00:14:14 I think it was something like 14 saves that he made. in the in the park defra that was a brilliant match that i hope you get i hope the match that you go to you is as good as that one was that that was a real edge of the seed job and i know arsenal have made it or have had a number of withdrawals from their international fixtures which is double figures hasn't it been but i don't think they'll go full strength against southampton in that f a cup time if you look at them i think they've seen people such as lewis skelly's played hasn't he this season so i think we'll see a true reflection of the state of the injury situation, I think possibly more for that match at sporting rather than Southampton.
Starting point is 00:14:56 As I won't play, because he, you know, that's a genuine injury. We know that. Mad Waki, we saw leave Wembley in a leg brace after the Uruguay match. And Declan Rice and Saka, Thomas Tuchel said that he wasn't willing to take a risk on them, but whether they'll be fit for Saturday night. However, Ian, I think, At the same time, Mikael Artetta can't play fast and loose with the FA Cubs, having just been beaten in the league cup final.
Starting point is 00:15:25 No. But I do think that he might prioritise sporting more than Southampton. But we'll see. They'll have to assess the walking wounded. So loads of great football coming your way on Five Live and all those sports extra streams on the BBC Sounds app. On the TCV pod, time for another voice note. Hello, chaps.
Starting point is 00:15:45 Martin here from Nails Zia near Bristol. look forward to your mutterings each and every Friday. My question relates to the ever-increasing American ownership within the Premier League. If Tottenham were to get relegated, could the other owners look at that situation and think, given the amount of money, they would have been plowed into their teams.
Starting point is 00:16:04 The jeopardy of relegation is a price too high and that to secure their continued investment, a franchise-like model with no relegation could be foisted on the Premier League. I'm not saying this year or next year, and obviously Topham haven't been relegated yet. But the consequence of no European football, lower gate receipts, players wanted to move on, could be a price too high for some owners. I appreciate there'll be great pushback from fans, lower leagues and the government, but where the Premier League is concerned, it appears to me that money talks.
Starting point is 00:16:39 Anyway, I would appreciate your thoughts on this developing situation. Also, Munchgate was a disgrace. from the vernacular referee. Martin making some excellent points there, I felt. I also got some strong backing from UEFA this week at Wembley, pinned their colours to my last. You say UEFA. It wasn't Alexander Cheffering who all of a sudden decided to give you a call.
Starting point is 00:17:07 It was a leading UEFA figure. Not hardly. That's disrespectful. But going back to the main point. Yes, please John. But I would say that in answer to what Martin was saying, that if that's what they didn't want, then they shouldn't have got involved in British football in the first place.
Starting point is 00:17:32 And I think if there is ever a hint or a suggestion of that, I think the outcry, you know, we saw what happened when the Super League was suggested and the reaction to that and how swiftly that was knocked on. the head and I think the figures the leading figures in that were genuinely taken back by the grand swell of opinion probably across Europe certainly in this country and as I say you know many many times you know the absolute fabric of the game in this country is the football pyramid the historical side to it what we have here you know we'll be tied anyone who tries to interfere with that in that way
Starting point is 00:18:13 would be my opinion I would agree with that but what I would say is what I could see happening is the 39th game being resurrected. I could see the American owners if they had their view, what is it, they'd need to be more than 14. 14 of the Premier League, I could see them then looking to try and take games away from this country and have it maybe played in the States, which again, I think would get an outcry, but that would be my first initial concern if it continues with this current trend. But that's why a football regulator has been appointed. Yes, to stop that sort of carry on.
Starting point is 00:18:56 Martin, thank you very much indeed for the voice note. I love a woe betide. Not heard that from, woe betide from John. Oof. It's scary. All right, though, talking of Tottenham, you have revealed that you've got your son is a spurs support. So how has he coped? I did warn him about this, Ian.
Starting point is 00:19:13 many years ago. So he chose Spurs as a young, impressionable, whatever he was in 2018, six-year-old. And I did warn him about the roller coaster of supporting Spurs. And actually, he's fairly phlegmatic about everything. So, you know, once the Tudor News came in and now the Deserby appointment's being confirmed, a shrug, really, a shrug, let's see what it brings. He doesn't let the results affect his mood too much. So I think he'll be okay. You know what I couldn't work out about Roberta Deserby was this, that this talk that, the initial talk, I'll take it in the summer. I was thinking, no, back yourself now.
Starting point is 00:19:49 Get the game's remaining now. Go in, get the job done, keep Tottenham up, and then you assess the squad with these closing fixtures and then you can hit the ground running for next season. So in many ways, I'm glad that he's done what he's done and also he's in for the long haul. There's no claws in there.
Starting point is 00:20:07 If they get relegated, he'll then bring them back from the championship. That is a manager who's backing himself And I was pleased about that because I just thought it was an easy way out to say, oh no, I'll let somebody else take the flack if I can't keep them up.
Starting point is 00:20:22 And there was talk of, you know, Spurs legends maybe coming in to try and save the day. The fact that he's done it now and there is no clause, you know, he's in it for the long haul and I was quite pleased about that. In further correspondence,
Starting point is 00:20:38 David from Essex has sent us a message on WhatsApp. He says, Hello, from the land of Jam, Tip Tree. Love the podcast and following on from the recent insights on being young and trying to view through the throng of the baying home crowd, please picture Suffolk and the Unbeaten European Fortress that is Portman Road, every other home game from 1978 onwards.
Starting point is 00:21:03 I was treated to an empty milk crate, which was employed to watch the game, and then occasionally hopping into the space that housed the empty television camera when it wasn't being covered on match day to watch the entertainment of the quality football on display. Keep up the great podcast work and the invaluable commentary that you supply every week. Can't wait to hear you all from Adelaide eventually, says David.
Starting point is 00:21:29 Right there with David, at Portman Road in the late 70s. David, health and safety would be all over that. The empty television camera spot, there's no chance you'd ever be able to hop up onto that to get a better view of the game nowadays. Do you think on that, you know, that board that they have where it has various things with a cross through them, that have milk crate cross? Exactly, yeah. Bringing it back to the FA Cup this weekend, Andy in Southampton has sent us this.
Starting point is 00:21:57 I still have my vinyl LP of that 1976 FA Cup final featuring Peter Jones and Alan Powie describing the action as Saints Beat Man United. I went to my first game the following season with a fold-up wooden step, made by my dad to watch Saints from the chocolate boxes which were three open top terraces standing over fans on the Milton Road terrace below what unusual stands or
Starting point is 00:22:23 terraces have you come across thanks for the podcast it's the 50th anniversary isn't it of Southampton's FA Cup winning in 1976 they've been making quite a big play this and they're obviously still in the competition because they've got the game against
Starting point is 00:22:36 Arsenal I also remember at the Dell do you remember at Look the store the corner of the stand had been cut off at one side. It was the most bizarre looking stand. And the chocolate boxes. In fact, Andy has sent us some photographs, and that's really brought it back, those little stands.
Starting point is 00:22:55 Do you remember them, Ian? Yeah. I didn't go to the Dell on too many occasions. I probably only went to the Dell no more than, I think, three times. Very tightly packed. It was a ground, wasn't it? Yeah. Really cozy.
Starting point is 00:23:06 Yeah. My name's Steve Bratnell, a sister manager of Royal Oak FC. One bit of news, an administration news. It's Jono here from BBC Sounds. I can't confirm Royal Oak versus Nagshead will be streamed live. The Nagshead live on BBC, stream to Games Gone podcast YouTube channel. I told you to trust the process, didn't I? April 5th, Easter Sunday, kick off at 2pm.
Starting point is 00:23:37 This is your moment. Tune in to the biggest game in Sunday League yesterday. Games got the Steve Bracknell podcast. on BBC Sands The commentator's view on the Football Daily with Alistair Bruce Ball John Murray and Ian Dennis
Starting point is 00:23:55 Cup football this weekend for a more light-hearted take on it think Roy Rays and Melchester Rovers or for our younger listeners the non-league Ted Lassow so you know where I'm going with this this Easter Sunday afternoon on Sports Extra 3
Starting point is 00:24:13 we are bringing you live commentary of Steve Bracknell's Royal Oak against their arch nemesis, the nag's head in the highly anticipated Sheffield Imperial Cup quarter final. We'll bring in Steve in just a moment but first we are going to speak to the lead commentator on the commentator's view
Starting point is 00:24:32 so who else would we get? Adam Oxley is going to be doing this game. Adam, welcome to the podcast how on earth are you going about preparing for this one? It's an excellent question. It is a game like get no other. I'm very grateful to have been doing games for Radio Sheffield and for the BBC for 20 years and I can honestly say that this is a new experience. Thankfully, as somebody who has interviewed Steve a few times on our Football Heaven show over the last few years and who watches the Games Gone podcast on BBC Sounds tick, it's been good to keep across the developing story
Starting point is 00:25:13 as it's gone on, but it's fair to say that there's a bit of licence and the usual websites that we all use to prepare for a match day don't particularly help for this long. But Adam, we're going to bring Stephen in a minute,
Starting point is 00:25:26 but will he give you the heads up for the team? I hope so. Some managers like that like gold does when they give you the team ahead of the game. Yeah, well surely he'll be quite guarded about that sort of thing. Well, some clubs are very helpful,
Starting point is 00:25:41 as you'll know. Some aren't. You know, if Steve was to help in any way, that'd be very helpful as a commentator, as you know. But if not, I'm sure we can look back at the years of form that we've got to work on for this game and pluck the team and pick it quite handily. Just before we get him on, Adam, what's he like to interview? He's an intense character, I think it's fair to say. He is a very principled man.
Starting point is 00:26:11 he cares deeply about his football club he's rooted in grassroots football and the the non-league scene around around Sheffield and a very complex character as well there's a lot more going on than I think he likes to let on excellent let's get him on the podcast then assistant manager of royal oak FC Steve Bracknell Steve welcome to the pod how are how are preparations going for the big game Can you hear me? Loud and clear. Firstly, it's not often I'm in awe of my company, but listening to Ian John and Alistair's voice
Starting point is 00:26:53 has given me goosebumps, shivers. You lot, you are the DNA and the backbone of football in this country, and you've documented my footballing journey and my life and my internet action week game for many a year. Wow, this is unbelievable. What about question, pal? How the lads feeling ahead of the big day? What a terrible question.
Starting point is 00:27:16 This is about managing emotions now, Alistair. The preparations, and we can talk tactics. We can do them. Listen, I've got a little space in my garage where I do my tactics, but in many ways, and what I've said to lads is that's irrelevant now. This is an emotional roller coaster you're about to go on, strap in, buckle in and let's go on this ride because, you know, these ups, these dines, these nerves, like any local darby.
Starting point is 00:27:38 But this just feels like the biggest. we've ever been involved with. So I'm going to be... And I've told him, my Amazon rings on 24-7. If they're struggling, they want to talk. They ring me, our Nick, he'll get kettle on, we'll talk.
Starting point is 00:27:52 This is about a psychological battle now. Steve, when I asked Adam that question about, you know, will you give him the team? There was a wag of a... We can see you on the Zoom call, and you were wagging your index finger. So do you not trust him? It's not, I don't trust him.
Starting point is 00:28:05 I've known Adam quite a while from his South Yorkshire reporting, but Brian Marshall, the manager of the Nagzed will try every dirty trick in the book. This is a man, by the way, who previously, and this is unfounded, I don't want a lawsuit on my hands as previously given brown envelopes
Starting point is 00:28:23 to Imperial League. He's been known to handpick referees. And there's sub-headlines and subplots to this. Quite recently, stole my best player, my number 10, Matt Wynn, an engineer the move. And I think he's paying him,
Starting point is 00:28:37 which is illegal in Sunday League. You know what it's like. For Alex Ferguson, I remember listening to a interview with Clive Tilsley and Ferguson Gend Tilzler a rate dressing down in lift once. He said, you've leaked my team and that'll be the same with me and Oxley. So, no, loose lips, sink ships.
Starting point is 00:28:56 I think we should point out, Ali, shouldn't we, that Brian's not here to defend himself? Yeah, exactly. Adam, what's... I think we're duty-bound to point that out. We are. You're quite right, John. Sorry. Standard slip in there. What's the atmosphere going to be like, Adam?
Starting point is 00:29:13 Because it has really captured the imagination, hasn't it, this game? Oh, hugely. Hugely. I mean, there are thousands of people wanted to attend. I think it's quite easy to say that this game could have been played at a kind of local professional stadium and filled out. Amazingly, it's been played at the world's oldest football club, Sheffield FC. There's going to be near on 2,500 people in attendance just to kind of put some context on that. Sheffield FC, them.
Starting point is 00:29:40 themselves, who've recently been taken over by John McClough, the lead singer Reverend in the Makers, who looked surprisingly like Paul Sampson, but totally unrelated, who's the manager of Royal Oak. They had 1,200 fans for a home league record attendance for the world's oldest football club last weekend, and this is going to be double that. So the fever is there. There's a call out for inflatable snakes and other things relating to Winnie's shock depart. from the oak to Nag's head.
Starting point is 00:30:13 So I think Steve's said it's going to be a cauldron he wants it at the weekend. So yeah, I'm expecting it to be lively. Put it that way. Steve, can I ask you, how are you coping with the extra media attention? I know there's a target on my back.
Starting point is 00:30:28 I've been in game 20. I formed this club in 1997. We used to document as games, film it. I'll Olivia, my daughter. She's right Savvywick, TikToks and all intonets and that. And she started filming it. We went viral.
Starting point is 00:30:40 in November 24. And now there's a target on us back. Teams, it's like if Spurs go down, they're not going to get an easy ride in championship because Lincoln, that's their cup final. And it's same with Royal Oak. They come to us now wanting to scalpers. Well, we've got to be on us guard.
Starting point is 00:30:57 Here's what be it. Can this, I presume, no replay. So I'm presuming if it's level at the end of 90 and extra time, it's penalties. We don't even get extra time. It's straight to pens. No, straight to pens. where are you on Penenka's fancy pens?
Starting point is 00:31:14 Absolutely not. Absolutely not. I'll take you back to Afcom final. The biggest moment, the kid is waiting to take the penalty. And he tries the Penanker. It's arrogant. It's naive. Penalties have been overcomplicated.
Starting point is 00:31:32 You decide where you're going. You walk up. You don't change your mind. You put your foot through it, and you make sure you get back at net. Job done. Not now they've got to write on water bottles. They've got to do a bit of psychological ref.
Starting point is 00:31:44 They're getting Eileen Drury back in. It's a disgrace. Adam, you've got the penalty grid drawn up already. Do you think it could be as tight as that? Who knows? I mean, there's a few divisions between Nags Head and Royal Oaks. A Royal Oaks go into this as real underdogs in a lot of ways. So you'd hope that big home support and the crowd can really swing things in their favour.
Starting point is 00:32:04 The winnie factor as well of him playing against his former club. Look, if it does go down to penalties, that'd be extraordinary, wouldn't it? The world's all this football club penalties there to see who makes the semi-final of the Imperial Cup. That'd be an extraordinary way to finish. Look, if Royal Oak can get it to Penn, that'd be a real win. Adam, Adam, the Cup competitions in this country favour, the underdog.
Starting point is 00:32:29 I'm taking you back to Hereford in 70s. I'm talking about Roy Essendor at Filbert Street when they signed him on Teletext Bay. anyone who doubting Royal Oak should think very carefully because I'm telling you now the Cup competitions in this country have a funny way of biting it on the bum
Starting point is 00:32:47 fabulous sell for the game here on the commentator's view so this is a two o'clock kickoff in Easter Sunday it's a sellout so you can't go but that's where you go to the BBC Sounds app Sports Extra 3 full commentary Adam at the helm you could also watch the game live on Steve's YouTube channel
Starting point is 00:33:04 Game's gone the Steve Bracken podcast before we let you fellas go, must talk to you about the unintended pub names because we've got the Royal Oak against the Nags head. I don't know if you're aware of our feature on this podcast, which Paul Robinson, the former England goalkeeper, started, where commentators accidentally drop what people recognise as pub names into commentaries.
Starting point is 00:33:26 So if you'd like to stick around for this, right, always love the suggestions on these. In our last pod, we had the last throw of the dice and the goalkeepers dive. Gary from Wilmslow has got in touch and he's got one from his holidays. Greetings from Sunny, California. I was listening to Jonathan Pierce
Starting point is 00:33:45 and Paul Robinson excellent coverage of the recent Tottenham Hotspurah versus Nottingham Forest game. I heard a potential contender for your ever-growing list of unintended pub names. Rich Charleston, tried to find Porro with a little lute throughball who was headed away by the hard-working Williams. The hard-working Williams, a pub which would surely have to be frequented
Starting point is 00:34:04 by those engaged in manual labour. Possibly given the name Williams, it would be located in the Welsh valleys, serving a range of what Google assures me is pronounced Kuru from breweries such as brains. The pub would surely begin to fill in the late afternoon as muddy-booted workers gathered to relax after a day of toil. Love the pod and have to say, justice for John.
Starting point is 00:34:28 How again. More support. Now hardworking Williams, do you think you pop in there for a pint? I think that would have it. I sound like I need to go to university to understand what he's on about, to be honest. But it sounds like my sort of booza, real people talking real stuff. This is my problem with Nagzad. You're not a pub if you sell seafood platters.
Starting point is 00:34:49 We don't do food. We don't do food. We don't want health and hygiene rounders. Nagzad is not a pub. Reese from East London. Another one here. Hi, guys. Long-time listener of the commentators' view and constantly encouraging my friends and colleagues to listen.
Starting point is 00:35:03 It's like a lovely cup of tea and a warm blanket for your ears. Listening to the five live coverage of the England-Urogui match, I felt compelled to message in when I heard John say this. Spence pushing forward. Right footed cross into the box. Muslera comes, gets a punch on it, clears the penalty area, punched it down into the ground, the red England shirts all over the sky blue of Uruguay in the early stages.
Starting point is 00:35:25 All over the sky blue, or perhaps just the sky blue, would be a modern pub in a lovely newly developed part of a town, or city. There's affordable food and drinks, so Steve's not to be happy with that, while you admire the freshly painted pastel blue and cream-colored walls. Some sports memorabilia would be dotted about while the soft summer light
Starting point is 00:35:45 swims through the windows in the sky blue. Adam, do people get in touch with you about your commentaries in terms of stuff you've said, things people pick up, stuff that's made them laugh? There's always little bits that come in between
Starting point is 00:36:01 all of us. I'll probably going to throw my colleague Andy Giddings under the bus here a little bit because he once mentioned a squadron of pigeons had landed on the pitch and it's fair to say that a few of us heard that and his co-commentator at the time turned round and questioned it then is one of my favourite ones that I'd never heard of a squadron of pigeons and it was it was just a joyous moment it's just something that I hear now we've got it clipped and saved that whenever we play it I just smile. It's just a wonderful turn of phrase. If you haven't christened him clunk by now, then you've missed a trick. That's one for the younger audience.
Starting point is 00:36:44 Last one on unintended pub names. This comes from Ian in Exmouth, Devon. When driving through Newton Poplford, I regularly pass the Cannon Inn. I've never been in, but imagine it to be a pub split into a lounge in a bar. The lounge is full of Bonhomie, with the fans of teams who benefited from a ball canoning in off a defender into the bottom left corner in the dime minutes of a game. The bar is a more morose affair with those who've had the reverse luck from a canoning in. There is an old regular muttering away in the corner, supping pint after pint of dark ale. The rumours are that he is the defender whose shimpad guided the ball into his own net in extra time of a cut final in the 70s. Thanks guys,
Starting point is 00:37:27 love the pod. Very good. The canon. I do like that, Ali. I'm encouraging people. I love you see an actual pub name and you suggest it as a name that you could apply to something else. And I bet you, I bet you very soon one of us uses the phrase cannons in in a commentary. But also there's a pub in Seton Carew near Hartlepool called the Drunken Duck. And it's got a picture of above the door waddling and then on the other door it's got waddle out. And I took it and I sent it to Chris Waddle. I said, look at this, and I've still got it on my phone. But I can now just imagine for that one that Ian was talking about in Devon.
Starting point is 00:38:09 Exmouth. Yeah, Exmouth. Yeah. No, it was Newton Poppleford. You could have cannon in, cannon out. Yeah. If you spot an unintended pub or film name, we do films as well in any sports commentary you hear on the BBC. Do let us know.
Starting point is 00:38:25 TCV at BBC.com.com. WhatsApp to 08,289-369. we're going to have to let Adam and Steve go shortly because both of them have got a lot of work to do ahead of a big game. Adam with his notes, Steve with his match prep. The other thing we do, Steve, on the pod is our great glossary of football commentary.
Starting point is 00:38:45 So terms that you hear in football commentary or other sports and then we decide whether they go into Division 1 because they're just exclusive to football, you don't hear them anywhere else. Maybe even, I mean, non-league football, we can have another division for that. And then Division 2 is slightly more sort of generic terms. Is there anything in particular in your football lexicon
Starting point is 00:39:04 that you would use that you think would belong in our great glossary of football commentary? I have two slogans that I suppose I'm running, I've known for that is bombing on. Pep Guardiola in this country has destroyed the fullback. The fullback is now encouraged to turn in. They call them double pivots. A fullback should get up and down. And they call it overload. I call it fullback attack.
Starting point is 00:39:30 So I'd like bombing on to go in there. Bombing on. Okay. Yeah. And then the other one, and I don't know if I'll get away with saying this, is ass and elbows. An old-fashioned number nine should use his ass and his elbows. Get him out. Get him out. Like that. Get them out. Protect that ball. And then your midfield picks up the scraps. We've coached this out of game. Sports extra three, Adam, arse and elbows. Sunday afternoon.
Starting point is 00:39:58 I think it should be passed. Motion passed. Who was great with his backside back in the day? Kenny Dalglish. Oh, apparently, was the best. Yeah, again, I'm showing my age. Kennedy Dalglish is backside and clunk. But also, fellow, Scott, the best modern exponent of that, and I know he's not sent to full as John McGinn, isn't he?
Starting point is 00:40:19 John McGinn is unbelievable. Definitely. So, bombing on has been suggested, an arson elbows. Div 1, div 2, what are we thinking? Did they go into the glossary? I mean, also, can you put a term in the glossary that, we're actually not going to be allowed to use in commentaries on the BBC. Because I'm not sure Steve's second one.
Starting point is 00:40:36 I'm not sure we're going to get away with. Backside and elbows. Yeah, they are. Backside and elbows. Backside and elbows. Okay. Well, that would be, that would be Div 1. Bombing on, can you bomb on in rugby?
Starting point is 00:40:47 Can you bomb on in? Can you? Yeah, I don't know. What do we think? Is that a Div 1 too? Or do we put that out to the listeners? Put it out to the listeners. We'll put it out to the listeners.
Starting point is 00:40:56 We'll put it out to the listeners. They can get in touch with this next week. But we are definitely putting backside and elbow. into Division 1. I'll take that. Hooray! Steve, Adam, thank you very much indeed for your company on the commentator's view, and I hope that goes brilliantly for you all on Sunday.
Starting point is 00:41:19 Thank you for all your support. It means absolute will to me and I nicker. Yeah, thanks very much, boys. Yeah, and to be totally impartial, we have to say good luck to the nag's head as well. Sorry, Steve. Bye. Bye. See you later, man. Bye-bye.
Starting point is 00:41:32 Very good. That is Steve Bracknell, assistant manager of the Royal Oak FC. Big Cup game, quarterfinal coming on Sunday. You can hear it on Sports Extra 3, 2 o'clock kickoff, Easter Sunday. Adam Oxley, your commentator for that one. And of course, if the Sheffield Imperial Cup isn't your bag, a reminder we have the FAA Cup quarterfinals covered for you on 5 live this weekend. Our game on that Sunday, a little bit later on, is West Ham and Leeds.
Starting point is 00:42:00 Unintended pub names, glossary suggestions, as always, TCV at BBC.com. or you can send us a message or voice note on WhatsApp to 08,289-389, John. And do what Reese says and recommend friends and colleagues listen to the commentators for your podcast as well. Well done, Reese, big tick for that. But, but, John, and you mentioned this in every single pod. What is better than listening to podcast, John? In theory, it should be our commentaries, our live match commentary.
Starting point is 00:42:34 Yes, this is just knockabout for us. When we're supposed to be at our best is when we actually commentate on football matches. That is it for this episode of the Football Daily. And remember, you can find each and every episode of the commentator's view by scrolling down your Football Daily feed. It's a character, isn't he?
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