Football Daily - The Commentators' View: The Easy Tap Inn & unmentionables

Episode Date: October 31, 2025

John Murray, Ian Dennis & Ali Bruce-Ball talk football, travel & language. They look ahead to the Premier League weekend and tell the stories behind the commentaries. Who will lift themselves off the bottom of the table in Clash of the Commentators? Suggestions welcome for our Great Glossary of Football Commentary and unintended pub names from football commentary - WhatsApp voicenotes to 08000 289 369 & emails to [e-mail]00:45 Liverpool lose again 03:15 Ian & John get commentator-spotted! 07:25 5 Live commentaries this weekend 11:35 John on his first visit to Everton’s new stadium 15:40 FA Cup first round weekend 19:20 More unintended pub names 26:35 Clash of the Commentators 33:35 How to mention the unmentionables 35:55 Great Glossary of Football Commentary 47:20 Commentators ‘missing a sitter’5 Live / BBC Sounds Premier League commentaries: Sat 1500 Nottingham Forest v Man Utd, Sat 1500 Burnley v Arsenal on Sports Extra, Sat 1730 Tottenham v Chelsea, Sun 1400 West Ham v Newcastle, Sun 1630 Man City v Bournemouth.

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The commentators view on the Football Daily with Alistair Bruce Boyle. John Murray and Ian Dennis Hello, welcome to the Football Daily. I'm John Murray, and this is the commentator's view where we five live commentators discuss the football, our travels and the language of football commentary. And Ali Bruce Ball and the BBC senior football reporter Ian Dennis are here.

Hello to you. Hello, hello. Good morning. And you and I, Ian, have had a midweek off, haven't we, while Ali was off to Anfield for another. shock result for Liverpool, and this was in the aftermath of another birthday for you. I know, yeah. The celebrations have continued throughout the week. How did you enjoy your trip to Anfield Alley?

Yes, and in terms of doing a league cup tie, I mean, you guys will well know, league cup lineups, you're often expecting your notes are going to have to go a little deeper that the Premier League clubs, the big clubs in particular, are going to use their squads. But that Liverpool bench on Wednesday night, I mean, some of them hadn't even made my long, squad list. I mean, and as our listeners will probably know, we come on air at seven o'clock for a 745 start, but you're quite involved in the conversations up to 745, so there wasn't much time to be scribbling down the names of the likes of Wellity Lucky on my squad list. But then, you know, not really a surprise, John. I don't think that Liverpool lost the game, but I just think a really

interesting team selection on a slot given the run that Liverpool have been in. And given, I think, the fact that he would know if they lost that game, which they were, I would say, were likely to do putting that team out against a very good Crystal Palace team, the pressure that would then bring on the next game this weekend at home against Aston Villa. That feels like a really big game now, even more so.

Yeah, well, I mean, you'll have doubtless heard him afterwards, but to see the players who were left out not involved at all, and as you say, you know, I do feel that there is now very much that pressure on the biggest clubs to try and win that trophy, to try and win the League Cup because of the competition that there is and how important it is to win trophies, Ian.

Yeah, but the flip side of that is Crystal Palace under Oliver Glasner, you know, to go to, bear in mind that they're also in Europe, so he's got to try and balance his own. Yeah, absolutely. Team selection week in, week out because of his own European commitments,

to go there with such a strong side and then to put in that performance and Inchmael Assar scoring again against Liverpool. They've got the measure of Liverpool. I think Oliver Glastner is doing a wonderful job at Palace. And in that competition, I always want to see a side do well that takes it seriously from the word go. So I think fair play to Oliver Glastner and Crystal Palace

for putting the side out that they did and then getting there just rewards. Crystal Palace had not done very well, actually, since the point on this podcast, I've floated the suggestion that they might actually be able to sustain a challenge for the Premier League title. Since then, things had, they'd just had some in-and-out results, hadn't they? But yes, that was quite a night for them again, wasn't it? Now, the other thing I want to mention, Ian, because listeners won't know this, but obviously you and I do, that we met for a bit of a social event, didn't we, during the course of this week?

We did. And I've had a very interesting interaction with, do you remember, just before you left to go home, there was a guy sitting next to us, whose name transpires is Sean. Anyway, as soon as you left, he sort of said, excuse me, I hope he don't mind. Was that Ian Dennis? To which obviously we confirmed. And it turned out, and I mean, he was incredibly complimentary about you and said that he listened to you when he was growing up. because he's a Leeds United fan. So he had obviously listened religiously to you on BBC Radio Leeds

commentating on those views for Leeds United. Anyway, subsequently, he said to me, can I also check? He said, did you commentate on Leicester against Southampton in 1998? So I said to him, I've got no idea. But I said, I'll go, I'll check, I'll have a look. So I went back in my diaries, which I do keep. And so I went back to my 1998 diary.

And sure enough, in April 1998, I did commentate on Leicester against Southampton, which was a 3-3 draw. And Sean was telling us that he's a lead United fan. He had no allegiance whatsoever to Leicester Southampton. But he said it was listening to the radio commentary on that match. that really sparked his interest in football. And he was eight years old. He was eight. And he remembered that I commentated on that much

when not even I remember that I commented on that match. And then he said, can you remember who you commentated with? Was it Mike Ingham? Was it Alan Green or was it someone else? And I said, I'm sorry, I haven't got that information. But it actually really warmed the cockles of my heart that that someone who's now, I've now worked out,

he is 35 now, and he remembers that commentary when he was eight years old and what it did and how it sparked something off in his football following imagination. That is an incredible story, but two things strike me from that tale. One, what else were we talking about at the time? And two, you keep your diaries from over 20 years ago.

I've always kept my diaries, yeah. I keep my red books. I mean, actually, I've got a stack of diaries here, but 20 years of diaries. Yeah. Maybe you could go back and, you know, what was it, the secret diary of Adrian Mole? Well, they're not that detail. Don't worry. But I always think, if I need to know something that I did or, you know, work-wise,

then I've got the record there. And as you know, you see, now these days, I do throw away many of you. of my commentary notes, but that means that I have got a record of the matches that I covered. Yeah. Well, so there we are. As is the case proven with Leicester and Southampton. Well, exactly. And I wouldn't worry, Ian, I sense that Sean is the picture of discretion.

So that was a most unusual little episode during the course of this week. He didn't actually reach out to me on social media to say, I didn't realize it was you in you'd left. Yes, well, quite so. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, if you've got similar queries or anything to add, we do love your WhatsApp. So we're going to be hearing some of your voice notes as well later on during this podcast.

So 08,289-369 for that. We will have the usual unintended pub names and, of course, the great glossary football commentary. And emails as well to TCV at BBC.co.com. We've got some very good ones, very good emails as well coming up. But this weekend on Five Live and the various platforms, these are the commentaries. So, Ian, you're going to be at Nottingham Forest Manchester United on Saturday at 3 o'clock, along with Leon Osmond. That kind of speaks for itself, doesn't it? It does, yeah.

Where's my commentary notes here? Forrest have won their last three league games against Manchester United. they last won four in a row between 1909 and 1910 when Fred Earp was the manager. But I looked at some of the goal scorers in those days. Grenville Morris, sounds like a character from Open All Hours, and Enoch Knocker West. Which is that his nickname? Yeah, but...

Enoch knocker West. Enoch, knocker West. But on the actual English National Festival, football archive, the knocker is included. Imagine commentating on Enoch Knocker West. Well, presumably, you'd just call him knocker. Actually, that comes off the back of, of course, last week, when I covered Manchester United Brighton, they'd won three times in a row at Manchester United, which is incredible.

And obviously, they lost last weekend. But at one stage, looked as though they might stage a bit of a comeback. But yes, so that match, Ian has got plenty of interest in it. So that'll be the Saturday 3 o'clock on 5 Live, so all of the other action from all over the country will feature during the course of that and the score service, etc. At the same time, and this is new this season, that we also offer an alternative Premier League commentary.

That will be Burnley against the leader's Arsenal on Sports Extra with Mike Miner, and Steve Bruce will be with Mike. Just seen that? I'm quite envious of Mike working with Steve, because we'd exchange. messages after he'd lost his job at Blackpool and he said oh hopefully I'll be working with you very soon and yeah I'd look forward to doing a game with Steve yeah so we might see and indeed hear more

of Steve then in the in the coming weeks then Saturday 530 this this is a big game as well Tottenham against Chelsea and Rob green is going to be with me for that first time I've worked with Rob I think this season so that's Saturday 530 and then on Sunday I am moving across London to West Ham for the West Ham

Newcastle match Clinton Morrison will be alongside me so that is on 5 Live and then at 4.30

on Sunday another good looking game I think Manchester City against one of the teams of the season

so far Bournemouth with Ali Bruce Ball and Paul Robinson and Ali who's had

one or two technical problems is now back with us back yeah what would have missed

well No, I'm afraid you're going to have to listen back to the podcast to hear it. I always do. Yeah, well, good. But I'm just saying Manchester City, Manchester City Bournemouth is a very good look at match, isn't it? Yeah, I think so, John. I mean, having done Crystal Palace in the week,

eames like Palace, Brentford, Bournemouth this season. You know, all having fantastic seasons, all managed brilliantly. I think with Brentford, people weren't quite sure how it was. going to go under Keith Andrews. As Ian was saying Oliver Glasner, you know, just doing a wonderful job, but Bournemouth with Irola, considering what they lost

from the squad in the summer has not made a fuss about that at all. And they even seem to have got better. Really looking forward to seeing a croupie play. You know, I remember when they got him in the summer reading a bit about him, Stapman Dave was telling me a bit about him

scoring a load of goals in League Dur. And he stepped in and he's actually going to make quite... Yeah. It's going to make it quite difficult for Evan Nielsen to get back in the team. But the thing I like about that game on Sunday is that I think Bournemouth will enjoy, Manchester City will obviously come at Bournemouth, and Bournemouth will enjoy that.

That plays into Bournemouth's hands. I see Bournemouth's scoring. It's just whether, like Aston Villa managed to do, Bournemouth can stop Erling Harlan scoring. I think that's probably the rub. One thing I must mention is a quick reference to my first visit to Everton's new stadium last weekend, which I tremendously enjoy. Now, on the inside, I felt it could be almost any brand new big stadium in Europe.

You know, there's some nice touches inside the ground as well. But I was really blown away with what it's like outside the stadium. I just think they've done that so well and so sympathetically, as I said during the commentary last Sunday, you know, sort of estate agent speak. But you are in no doubts there that that is a stadium that's been built on the site of Bramley Moore dock, you know, the touches that they've left there from walking through the gaps in the dockyard walls and the cobbles, the buildings that have been left there, the little touches as well, and also the fact that my feeling was that very often you'll go to Liverpool

and Everton, and even though you've travelled to the city of Liverpool, you don't really get a flavour of the centre of Liverpool unless you happen to travel through there. Now, if you're standing outside Everton Stadium on the Mersey side of the stadium, you know, clearly you are right next to the River Mersey itself. You can see Wallersey on the far side. Look to your right and you can see the mouth of the Mersey and look to your left and you can actually see the Liver Building from standing right outside the stadium. And it really feels to me, you know, they've brought over all of the various Everton touches and connections, so they're all outside the stadium as well. But it does feel that there is a real connection between that stadium and the city that it's in.

It's always quite instructive as well, isn't it? I think to go, and we don't often do it because we're always working, but I think to experience a stadium as a fan, to go to some of these Premier League stadiums, you know, my younger son, Rory's a Tottenham fan, so I've been to the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium as a commentator and as a fan. But I think when you get there a little bit later as a fan and get involved in that pre-match atmosphere and pre-match drink and what's going on in the concourses. We don't see any of that because we're sitting down and working. I always find that quite a good thing to do to get a flavour. And I think it'd be really interesting doing it there, actually, pre-match build-up and, you know, that sort of thing at

Everton. One thing, though, I think that is a slight concern is, clearly that was the first match that Everton lost inside that state, the first competitive match that they lost. And there is a bit of a thing I gathered from Sunday, from Everton supporters, that it's not right now, you know, that might change the way that things develop. It's not easy to get away from the stadium. And when they went three nil down, there was a mass exodus out of the stadium. And I just feel that that could be a little bit of a problem for them. From what I gather, I think parking is an issue, isn't it, for those who are in the cars. And the thing is, is that when you'd have gone to Gooderson after so many years, you always have your own little

parking spot, don't you? And therefore, I would imagine that supporters are still trying to come to terms with where's the best place to park your car in order to get a quick get away with the traffic and that's probably why you saw the exodus that you did john because people are thinking well let's just get away and beat any of the congestion yeah um talking everton john former everton players have you done Tokyo steve's message uh into the pod because um this caught my eye in the script and i like this um Tokyo steve says i'm not an everton fan or a scouser but leon osman is a very good describer of goals scored when i see video highlights online the next day, or possibly on match of the day, his descriptions are spot on.

I always love playing that game of listening to a radio commentary of a goal and then seeing if the goal actually matches, particularly if they're unusual or sort of particularly distinctive goals. But I agree with Tokyo, Steve. Leon is, Leon is very good at that. Well, exactly. And I mean, that is one of the things that you try to do, isn't it? You want to, when people are watching it on match of the day. And indeed, they could watch the next day on the eye player rally on match of the day, remember? That that's one of the things that you try to do. As well as all of the Premier League matches this weekend,

there are FAA Cup first round ties over the course of quite a number of days, actually. So we'll hear our five live reporters at places like Boreham Wood, Halifax Town, Spennymoor Town, Brackley Town, South Shields, Eastly and Gainsborough Trinity. Been to any of those, anyone? Yeah, I remember, I once, when I was working at, it was Radio Cleveland at the time

now Radio T's they once sent me to Spennymore and I did I've got a feeling I did a commentary or if not extended reports from the radio car at the side of the pitch at Spennymore it had been in the 90s but yes Spennymore

so I did a little bit of that circuit Bishop Auckland as well yes and where else I thought you could I think you're going to reel off a list and it ended at Bishop Auckland I'm trying to think where else I went, but no, Spennymore and Bishop Auckland. Ali, have you been to any of those? No, well, I was just looking at sort of, I mean, Eastley is the closest to me, but I don't think I've done a game there.

Have you not? No. They've got a great badge, haven't they, Eastley? They've got the aeroplane on the badge. Ah, right. Very close to the airport. We actually did a commentary at Eastley. You? Yes, you did. That's where you met.

Nigel Tassel. That's right, yeah. Yeah, that's right. Nigel Chapman presented from the stadium. And Nigel Tassel actually wouldn't want Ian going to Spenny more. He'd want you going to Spenny Muir, wouldn't he? He would. Because Nigel's the one who loves a bit of Kiefer Muir.

Yes, he does. Towler. Towlo. Towlo. Yeah, famous for Chris Waddle. Chris Waddle. Yeah. Peter Quigley was the manager of Taulo.

And in fact, I actually did. They got to Wembley one year. and I helped them with their Wembley song, which I've still got in my head, yeah. So I did a mock commentary for them. So it must have been the F.A. Vars or the F.A. Trophy. They got to Wembley in the 90s. And I did a mock commentary for their Wembley song.

I think it was tell me I'm not dreaming. I thought you were going to say you wrote the lyrics. No. But I also remember about Tal-Law, because with Chris having, I think that's all. where he started, wasn't that? It was, yeah. And also worked in the sausage factory.

Yeah. Chris. And on one occasion at St. James's Park, I was working with Chris. Chris was walking to the commentary position ahead of me. So Chris, and of course, whenever Chris goes anywhere,

he attracts attention, but certainly at St. James's Park. And I remember Chris walked through and I was a few steps behind, and as I did so, I heard some Newcastle fans saying to each other, and I only heard the words towel and sausages. So listen out for that on Five Live

Over the course of the coming days The coverage of the FA Cup And indeed it'll be absolutely everywhere And I'm sure they'll be talking about it on 606 as well Some always some great stories from the FA Cup Also we'll maybe have a few postmen in action In the FA Cup first round this weekend After when we were talking about

How a possible alternative careers Are through in the fact that I might have been a postman If I wasn't a football commentator And Alistair in Hinderwell North Yorkshire writes in you were right about being a postman after a career as a senior manager with a large corporation

Alistair retired and says he took a job as a rural postman in the Esk Valley. He said it was a fantastic job. It wasn't just the interaction with the public but also the fellow posties that made it. Also, keep your unintended pub names from football commentary coming in.

Last week we had the likes of the flying ballard chunky poro, dewsbury Hall and the majority Munoz, let's start with Tim in Gateshead, who's emailed in with something we didn't spot last week. And Tim says, hi guys, great podcast. Passes the time while painting spindles.

Unintended pub names during last week's Majestic Munoz commentary, I spotted another unintended pub name. He takes the extra touch, which allows Munoz to make up that ground and cut it out for the easy tapping. The majestic Munoz, so good at Gets. going in both directions. The easy cap in, which we also had from Nicholas in South Africa, Ritchie in Ashford, Calamon Gateshead, Sam from Berkshire,

Phil in Brighton, Jilla from Fulham, Chelsea supporter Brian, and Norwich fan con. And Sue near Slough says it was two for the price of one. And I don't know how we missed that, you know. I mean, I feel a shame that we missed that. So Sam in East London says, The Easy Tap In would make a good craft beer brewery. Olly in West Sussex,

this seemed like an open goal skyed into Rose Ed. The Easy Tap In sounds like a charming and relaxed taphouse with wooden beams serving craft beer and real ales. And Doncaster Rover supporter Matt says he shocked that both a literal and figurative easy tap-in was missed. He says we're all too busy imagining our Spanish beers and tapas and the majestic Munoz that we fail to notice it. And it goes on, Ali.

Yes, Andy says, so many people, so many people were across this one. Andy says the drinks would flow quite easily at the easy tap-in. Susan, as far away as Hong Kong, says it sounds like a great place to spend a lazy Sunday afternoon. So there will be an easy tap-in somewhere. And again, we're now going to have to take the pod and broadcast from there. Kalamine leads the ideal spot for a pint that requires minimal effort to order and enjoy. There are more, Denno. Matt in York. Clearly you were also keen to visit the majestic munoz. You walk right past the easy

tap in. Ashley in North Herefordshire sounds like a country pub beneath an old oak tree with locals drinking ale at well-worn tables reminiscing about the old blacksmith shop that used to be opposite in their father's day. Half a pint in the easy tap-in. See you there. And Robert in Yoval, what about the easy tap-in off the crossbar? You see, I think the easy tap in does actually sound like a modern establishment. I think that would be somewhere that, you know, it's like being converted into a bar, the easy tap. But it would be serving delicious craft ale.

It would. Yeah. Whereas the majestic munoz, I think, would be an established place. Yeah. What about the painted spindle? yeah that yeah

I don't see why not Tim Gates said he was painting his spindles yeah he did do you think there will be a pub called the easy tapping yeah I don't

but I think there could be maybe maybe and that would definitely be a stopping point wouldn't it on the tour

that we haven't mentioned for a long time no we haven't yeah It's interesting to see, by the way. There's some destinations there, South Africa. Yeah, Hong Kong. Tokyo, Hong Kong.

Did you notice, by the way, in the classified information that we probably shouldn't speak about, that the episode of the commentator's view that was from the live event in Sheffield that we did is one of, if not the most popular, one of the podcasts that we've done. Did you spot that? I did.

Okay. So, because I wasn't involved in that. What are you saying? I wasn't so much thinking that, Halley. I was more thinking that it was the fact that it was what it was. On site, life. Yeah, absolutely. So are you suggesting that we should go back on the road?

Well, I'm just saying that I'm just saying that that's what, that was the outcome. The powers that be, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I think you're suggesting. I need to look at the hard evidence and get us back on the road. Well, you've done more than leave it hanging there. And going back to the matter in hand, George in Oxford, Mike in Liverpool, and Dave in the Scottish Highlands have also suggested the easy tap-in

for Division 1 of our great glossary of football commentary. What do you think? So Division 1 for football exclusive terms, Division 2 for terms used in football commentary, but also used in other sports. Could you have an easy tap-in in another? sport? I mean, it should be there. Easy tap-in should be in the should certainly be in the glossary. Hockey. Ice hockey. A tap-in. I mean, you do

tap the ball. I've played hockey. I think div too. I just want to mention as well, Ian, we had a message, or I had a message, possibly bought of us from a friend of ours, Ian Holliman, who was listening to us talking about the Maradonna and the Zadan role. Was that last week or a couple of weeks ago. And Ian says, for pedantry's sake, the Maradonna brackets, which I'd never heard actually brackets, is known as La Roulette in France and is immediately associated with Zinidine Zadan. But he's not mentioned as part of the name. So there was an addendum on that from Ian. Yeah, I think I said when we discussed this that my son Rory calls it either the

Maradonna or the roulette spin, I think he calls it, which is probably the English version of La Roulette. But you do, I mean, Zedan is the other one you particularly think of, I think, with that, with that move. So that makes sense. So anything more on that, or indeed, any unintended pub names in a commentary. It doesn't have to be our commentary. It can be any commentary

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last week, Ali's four-match losing run came to an end on Champions League goal scorers, as did Ian's unbeaten run at the top of the table. First defeat of the season, Ian. And Ali was celebrating before he crossed the line

if you didn't hear it last week. So the current standings, top of the table, Ian, with five points from six, which is still an excellent record. and then equal second in the table me and the defending champion Ali with two from six So today it is going to be

Ali against you John To see who is going to lift themselves Off the bottom of the table Who wants to go first I went first last week So John you should probably go first But as I said last week I think whoever wins this John

Will then play one of us will play if that winner then plays Denno next week and can win that one, and I know that, you know, back-to-back wins is not easy to do in Clash of the Commentators for me and you, suddenly it's tight, so good luck. One win is not easy for you and me

in Clash of the Commentators, never mind two in a row. Well, yeah, when you've only got two from six, I would suggest that you're getting ahead of yourself there. I do enjoy it when you come over all complacent. There is definitely a fall coming your way. Anyway, we're ready to go. Okay.

Are you ready to go? I am ready to go. Okay. It's FA Cup first round weekend. Back in May, Crystal Palace became the 45th different club to lift the trophy. But I want you to name any team to have won the FA Cup more than once. Teams to have won the FA Cup more than once, your time starts now. Liverpool, Manchester United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham.

Everton, Ashtonville did I say, West Brom, Manchester City, the Wontras, Tottenham, yes, Tottenham, Newcastle. Oh, I'll have to wait to see whether Newcastle. Castle was in before the music ended, but I still, even with that, well, we'll have to wait and see, but I think that is a competitive score. He's hold on his back. Don't say anything else.

Headphones go on. Yep. Ali's back in the room. So Ali, it's F.A. Cup first round weekend. Back in May, Crystal Palace became the 45th different club to lift the trophy. But I want you to name any team to have won the FAA Cup more than once. Teams to have won the FAA Cup more than once. Your time starts now. Manchester United, Manchester City, Everton, Topman, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, West Bromwich, Albin, Sheffield Wednesday, Shefford United, Wolverhampton Wanderers, whoever have I said, West Ham, I said that, I've already said them. Why am I running out of teams? Oh, my brain's just, my brain's gone to mush there. Preston. Well, you've both gone to the wire. Both were in time.

But this is going to be tight. Really? Yeah, so John managed to squeeze Newcastle in, just in the nick of time. Likewise, you did with Preston North End. Yeah. We've won it twice, along with Old Etonians, Portsmouth, Sunderland,

Nottingham Forest and Berry. Right. John did get in The Wanderers, who've won it five times with Evers with Everson and West Brom. Excellent. I don't think there's many that oh you didn't cover between you

don't think either have you said Blackburn Rovers certainly didn't say Old Etonians or Berry Burn leave only when it wants there's going to be a lot of totting up to do in this studio the tension builds I just ran out there I just ran out not be much in that I'll be close

I'm being told that every answer was correct Yeah, I don't think I've done enough there I mean I didn't hear John so I have no idea but I think you might have nicked it No, I'd be surprised I think you're both being double figures I feel like a referee on the pitch now waiting for VAR

Slow hand cluck The scores are in John 11 Ali 13 No No. Really? No.

13? Yeah. John has just rocked back into his chair. So disappointed to have lost that one. Where does that one rank with Nigels? Lower. Nigels, there's no question I should have won Nigels. But that's very disappointing.

I knew you both did well. Yeah, I'm a bit, I think we should be doing better than that. We got 13 and 11. Yeah, it's not bad. John, is it? But I mean, you know, there's an obvious seven or eight, you just go, bum, bum, bum, bum, don't you just chuck names out there? Yeah, okay.

Well, so the pressure's on you then, Allie, now to back it up. A bit like Reuben Amarim's Manchester United. I've just quick, I'll look through, there's 23. 23 teams have won it more than once. Yeah. And you've got 13 of them. The only ones which weren't said were Blackburn Rovers,

six F.A. Cup wins, Bolton Wanderers who had four, Old Etonians, Portsmouth, Sunderland, Nottingham Forest, and Berry, who all had two. Do you think, Ian, you would have beaten us both there? Of course he does. He reckons either got all 23. So the table now looks like this. Ian, first with five from six, the defending champion, Ali.

So that's now two in a row, Alley. Yeah, back to back, John. So you could go three in a row next week. You are very much like Ruben Amarim's Manchester United. Allie, three from seven, and that leaves me bottom with two from seven. I'm a bit like the struggling team that has started the season well, and then reality bites. So I've slumped back down to where I belong at the bottom. Come on, John.

Come on, that's not positive talk. So there we are. Another exciting edition of Clash of the Commentators comes to an end. Before we go to the Great Glossary of Football Commentary, Manchester City fan Ivy in Michigan in the United States says, Sorry if this is a bit crass, but I've always wondered, and seeing as there were two instances last weekend, I figured now would be as good a time as any to ask.

Both Harland and Gabrielle had particularly painful run-ins with goalposts that left them curled up on the pitch. Every time something like this happens, I always get a kick out of the words commentators choose in their attempts to be polite and professional when having to describe the situation. For example, Joby McEnuff and John Acres at Arsenal Palace last weekend. Gabrielle has absolutely clattered the post. We saw Raleigh Watkins in the England game come off worse. He is back up, but he is holding, well, let's just say,

The Crown Jules. His unmentionables. his private kingdom but he's back up he doesn't look all right to be fair he looks in a lot of pain that is a grimace and not a smile yeah they hurt

I can assure you of that John yeah I did hear that because I was that was while I was listening when we were at Everton Tottenham so I did hear that and Ivy says I'm wondering if you have had any funny experiences with this

do commentators have their go-to lingo euphemisms. Is it as awkward for commentators as it always sounds? Am I weird for asking this question? Thanks lads. Love the pod. So thank you for that. Ivy. I think I would go with unmentionables but then I would make reference about

he might be speaking with a high-pitched voice for a while or that's made his eyes water. Oh yeah, yeah. The one that I really like John but it's you I've heard use it so I probably, I think you know what I'm going to say amid ships. And midships. I love amid ships.

Which was from Christopher Martin Jenkins on Test Mike Special. Great. Whenever a cricketer was hit there in the box, he would often say he's been caught amid ships. That's a brilliant one. I do like that one. But no, that's a very good contribution, I think. So thank you for that.

And now it is time for the Great Glossary of Football Commentary, where we add listener suggestions of football-specific commentary terms and phrases to our collection. And so this season it has turned into Division 1 and Division 2. So Division 1 for football exclusive terms, division 2 for terms used in football commentary, but also used in other sports. And last week we added the Maradonna and Picicaca into Division 1, WhatsApp, 08,289-369. which is what Alex in London has done. One for the Football Glossary

and I'm sure it's a Division I. It's something Sunderland Wilson Isidore said after scoring at Chelsea. As number nine, you know, you have to feel every time where the ball is going to go. So today is a good goal. Like a fox. We say, you're a fox in French.

How does that translate? What's the... Renard. Right. Yeah, we say Renard in French. That was Chris Wals. again, wasn't it, with the questions. Chris, who was involved in the Majestic Munoz last weekend. And Alex says, I can't think of any other sport that would use it, Fox in the Box, and I'm sure it was made popular, if not invented, by Arson Venger.

Yeah, my memory is, it was about Franny Jeffers. Yes, it was, yeah. That's right. But I think that is Div 1, because I don't think you get, I don't think you get that in other sports. That belongs to football the Fox in the Box in the Box. I think. And is it a French phrase? What is Fox in French? Wait, I presume it's Renard, like he just said. He's just us. And what's box? That's like Cluzo-esque from you, that is.

And what is box in French? Watt, isn't it? La Boat. I tell you, we need Giulier. Julien Le Roads. Don Le Bois. Don La Boat. Rauders. Don't let me do. Come on.

But that doesn't rhyme. You are definitely most not in Spector Clousseau with that. Right. But that doesn't rhyme. So surely Fox in the Box would be a phrase in English because it rhymes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You carry on. I'm going to message Giuliani and we're on right now because I was doing Euroleagues with him last night.

So if he's about, he'll give us an answer to this. Carry on, carry on, carry on. So, well, that undoubtedly will provoke some debate. I think we've already touched on this during the commentators of your podcast because I distinctly remember John Cross from the mirror getting in touch and talking to me about when Arson Vanga spoke initially about Jeff as being the fox in the box. So we have also to 08,000 289-389369 got a voice note from Tom in Sheffield. Me and my football madwife, Luce, listen most weeks for your entries.

and one we've checked through the glossary and surprise we've never seen there for is he's a real Rolls-Royce of a defender. It's where it's most commonly used but sometimes midfielder two. Our contribution would be to describe a player as a real Rolls-Royce. Players that come to mind for that

is someone like Claude McAlele, Virgil Van Dyke, real Rolls-Royce players. Thanks, guys. That was very much something of a time, wasn't it, where lots of players were Rolls-Royce. So thanks for that, Tom. That's a great one as well, isn't it?

So who is the ultimate Rolls-Royce player? Ooh. I actually think when I work with Norman Hunter at Radio Leeds, he described Rio Ferdinand as a Rolls-Royce defender. Yeah. That's a good suggestion. You do think of it for defenders, don't you, strolling out from the bat, like Van Dyck. Beckenbauer, would be another one, wouldn't he?

John Stone's. It would not be a Mercedes-Benz? Well, he probably... Yeah, he probably would. I think also, you're right, Ian, John Stone's is a good one, but I also think the sort of midfielder role. So Rodry or Jude Bellingham actually. Yeah, Jude Bellingham's a bit of a Rolls-Royce, isn't it?

Is that Div one? Or is that used elsewhere? Is it used elsewhere? Did it start in football and then go elsewhere? Or did football take it from somewhere? Which other sport would you say is a Rolls-Royce player? because should table tennis Rollerball

No I think it's football I think it might be football Only which would make it Div 1 Tom and Luce I've got to give his partner His credit as well for that I know Tom but he actually did reference Luce as well you might not have picked up on that

John with you're hearing today after missing out on Renard The message has gone into Juliena arrived Just remember he's on his holidays though. In the Cote D'Zure? I don't think he was in the Cote D'Ure,

but he was a big Laurent family gathering. So all the Laurents coming together from far and wide. So he probably won't want to be bothered with the text about... Well, we'll have to do it next week, then, when we find out. And on a similar theme, but in contrast to the Rolls-Royce, one of the later things that Brendan Rogers said, wasn't it, that he got the keys to the Honda Civic, didn't he, with his A-link Celtic team.

So that's another one as well. Who's the Rolls-Royce, but it's a bit Anne Robinson, isn't it? Who's the Rolls-Royce, but who's the Honda Civic? So who's the Honda Civic? Probably we don't want to, we don't want to start casting aspersions. No. Do we? I'm sure that Honda Civic is a very reliable car.

Well, thanks Ian for setting the record straight. Gareth from Newtown in Mid Wales says Hi all, love the show and usually listen while cooking up something in the kitchen. I have a suggestion for probably Division 2 I've not heard it mentioned and couldn't see it on the list come back to haunt them

for when a player returns to his old club and scores against them. For example, if West Ham's Callum Wilson scores the winner against Newcastle on Sunday and the 2 p.m. commentary. And actually last weekend, Eza scored the winner for Arsenal against Crystal Palace.

What do we think? Come back to haunt them. Yeah. You'd probably say that in other sports, wouldn't you? Yeah. Oh, yeah. And the fact that Gareth has already alluded to it as well. I think Gareth, deep down, knows that that's not going in Division I. But a very appropriate phrase to mention as we are as we speak on the 31st of October.

Correct, yeah. Has bitten the hand that feeds. them. Yeah, that's another one. Or the fed of them, I suppose. Yeah. John in Chippenham says, thanks for the podcast. I don't think I've missed an episode, which is a very good effort,

John, because there's been quite a lot now. John says, he even ventured up to Sheffield to see the live show there, as discussed earlier. And John says, I want to suggest something ABB said last weekend.

Enzo Fernandez is cross, bounces dangerously, Ballard, sticks a leg out, Cookeraya gets their first, finds a car, Nacho, and the curler is miles off target. High wide, not very handsome, behind for the goal kick. Yes, that's a real staple of football commentary, isn't it? High, wide, and not very handsoms. Yeah, yeah, that's a classic, isn't it? Would you use that in other sports? Kicking for goal in rugby union?

Yeah. Would you say it there? Maybe if it was a really bad mirror. But they're always going high, those ones, aren't you? They don't really go low with the Rubinian kicks. Chris Sutton's mind the windows, I always enjoy when someone hits a shot like that. And actually the live show from Sheffield, which is getting a lot of mentions today, is actually still available to listen to.

If you go, BBC Sounds Out, Football Daily Feed, search for Football Daily Feed. If you scroll down to the 5th of August, it is still there. Continuing with the glossary, Nick from York, there's been a lot of talk recently about the atmosphere or lack of atmosphere at stadiums like Spurs and West Ham compared to some older stadiums. So I would like to suggest cauldron atmosphere for a division two in the glossary, especially when used on the radio. It sets the scene so easily for what the atmosphere is like. It's a real cauldron in here. That's a good division two. Yeah. We on family holidays back in the 80s used to go and play on a golf course regularly. We play it every day for two weeks.

me, my dad and my brother, and the short par four seventh became known as the cauldron of excitement. So it was a drivable par four, and someone would always chip in there or take a horrendous double bogey there. And it was known as the cauldron of excitement. So I'm glad cauldron is featuring. We've also had one from Stuart in Nottingham. Greetings. I heard one of the presenters on the football program on BBC Radio Nottingham saying that a player who scores direct from a corner is known as an olympico. this happened to Forrest with Bournemouth's first goal last weekend

scored straight from the corner is an olympico worthy of going in division one of the glossary I've not heard that I've not heard that it rings a bell with me because I'm sure I've been involved in this discussion before about a goal scored straight from a corner I have heard that term before I would not use it I would I would say it's gone in straight from a corner I don't think I would because I don't think enough people would know what

and then you know oh my goodness he's scored an olympico you'd be thinking what what you're talking about do you think that's a phrase that may have come into use perhaps you could say for the under 35s possibly possibly and why would you go olympico why is it why is it Olympic or maybe that's a too literal a translation from me we need an explanation yeah and olympico is a goal scored directly from a corner kick in football well it says in soccer here but this is an AI overview the fact that it says sock but the term means Olympic goal it originated after an Argentine Tinian player, Cesario Onzari, scored this type of goal against the reigning Olympic champions Uruguay in 1924. So there we go. I think on that evidence, that's got to go into Division 1. Yeah. Okay. That's good. That is good. Yeah. We need to remember that, don't we, for the next time we see that. So, the summary for this week, what did we decide for High Wyden, not very handsome? I think we've said... one well you said rugby though yeah yeah no yeah div two okay div two uh easy tapping would

have to be regrettably division two yeah come back to haunt them has gone division two cauldron atmosphere is as I said a strong division two and into division one yeah fox in the box yeah a rolls Royce player and olympical okay Hooray! Hooray indeed. And let's finish with this from Kenneth in Glasgow, who says, I feel the glossary may have turned me into a nastier version of myself. I was following the BBC text commentary of Celtic versus Sturm Gratz

and noted that the opening goal, a worldly, Kenneth says, by all accounts, was described as going into the top corner, perhaps even the postage stamp. I immediately felt an opportunity had been missed to use up where the owl spider cuckabra sleeps. This, in turn, gave me the idea for a new feature, the commentator, Mr. Sitter. However, on reflection, I decided that this could become very messy, and I don't want to be the one to turn TCV, into the Football Daily's equivalent of the Wild West, or Monday Nightclub, as it is sometimes called, says Kenneth.

Anyway, make sure you give John. a prize for his excellent use of shemozle at the weekend. Keep up the good work. Kenneth in Glasgow. Thank you, Kenneth. How did he get Schemotel into the commentary? It was one of those where there was a bit of pushing in Schuven. Hang on.

I've heard John get that into commentary twice in the last month because I'm sure at the Ryder Cup, when it was all going on around Justin Rose's match against Cam Young, that was a schmuzzle. Because Andrew McGee, our American summariser, A large show model. I think also I used, at the Ryder Cup, I used kerfuffle. Because, and it was kerfuffle, the Andrew.

Because you and Andrew were covering the match behind. Correct. And I'd used kerfuffle. And it was the incident, do you remember where the ball got lodged in the top of the bunker? And they were all on their knees and Jose Maria Olfabal was involved. And I said, I said, it's quite a kerfuffle. And not knowing that Andrew and you, Ali, were coming up behind us. Andrew sidled up behind me, and he leaned into my ear, and I didn't know he was there.

And he said, and he said, Carfuffle. He's quite mischievous, actually, Andrew, isn't he? He can be quite mischievous, like Michael Brown at the football. He's naughty, Michael. He's naughty boy, Michael Brown. What about missing a sitter, though? I mean, do you feel sometimes... Well, there's definitely...

We miss the sitter with the easy tap-in. Well, exactly, exactly. But I mean, during commentary, you'll always come away and think, I could have done that goal better, I could have done that better or whatever. But in terms of, yeah, I find quite often, I think the best words come to you sometimes after the event, but obviously the point of the job is you've got to do it at the time. But sitters can be missed, definitely. Oh, yeah, very much so.

Missing the sitter is missing that piece of information. You really should, if a, you know, a goal scored and there's something really obvious and you don't say it. Well, do you know what, John? Just going all the way back to the start of this pod, doing that quick scrambled research on the Liverpool bench came in so handy because Amara Nalo came on in that game who got sent off after four minutes against PSV

and then got sent off. So he's played 16 minutes for Liverpool and been sent off twice. And had I not done that quick bit of scribbling, because that wasn't, I didn't remember that from last season. And that would have been an obvious miss because, you know, his reaction afterwards was proper, like, you know, shirt over the head. I can't believe it's happened again, and Van Dyke was down the tunnel.

If I'd not done that, that quick minute research, Sitter would have been missed. Place back into that Liverpool defence, they've given it away. And there's Metetta looking for that ball to release Devaney. He's running away here. What's the referee going to decide? It was Nallo with the challenge for Liverpool. It would have been a one-on-one. It's a red card.

Well, that's remarkable. Amardo Nalo was sent off last season on his Liverpool debut for denying a goal-scoring. a goal-scoring opportunity against PSV Eindhoven in the Champions League and tonight he just wants to pull that shirt up over his head Liverpool caught out in possession palace got them on the break devenny was getting away Nalo's brought him down Liverpool down to 10 men oh what a horrible feeling for the youngster very good well hopefully we'll not be missing sitters this weekend I hope you enjoy all of your various matches this weekend

and as we always say you might enjoy your podcasts but listening to commentaries on the radio is still the best. And remember what it did to the eight-year-old Sean. So if you are now 35, maybe you could get your eight-year-old son or daughter to have a listen. Or indeed, if you are 75, you could get your eight-year-old granddaughter or grandson to have a listen to their very first football commentary on the BBC this weekend. So keep the glossary suggestions coming in as well. and remember if you hear

unintended pub names and a commentary send it to TCV at BBC.com. Voice notes on WhatsApp to 08,000, 289 369.

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