Football Daily - The Commentators' View: TikTok sensation & The Extra Touch

Episode Date: November 7, 2025

John Murray, Ian Dennis & Ali Bruce-Ball talk football, travel & language. Hear an interview with Thomas Tuchel as he recalls Jude Bellingham and Phil Foden for England. The guys look ahead to the Premier League weekend and hear from young reporter Jacob Culshaw who’s been going viral on social media. There’s another tight Clash of the Commentators. And suggestions always welcome for our Great Glossary of Football Commentary and unintended pub names from football commentary - WhatsApp voicenotes to 08000 289 369 & emails to [e-mail]01:10 Ali’s trip to Prague 06:25 The Tap Inn exists! 07:45 Tuchel recalls Bellingham & Foden 15:40 Premier League commentaries 20:15 Unintended pub names 27:30 TikTok sensation Jacob Culshaw joins the pod 36:50 Clash of the Commentators 44:20 Great Glossary of Football Commentary5 Live / BBC Sounds Premier League commentaries: Sat 1500 West Ham v Burnley, Sat 1500 Everton v Fulham on Sports Extra, Sat 1730 Sunderland v Arsenal, Sun 1400 Nottingham Forest v Leeds, Sun 1400 Brentford v Newcastle on Sports Extra, Sun 1400 Aston Villa v Bournemouth on BBC Sport, Sun 1400 Crystal Palace v Brighton on BBC Sport, Sun 1630 Man City v Liverpool.

The Commentator's View on the Football Daily with Alistair Bruce Ball, John Murray and Ian Dennis. Hello, welcome to the Football Daily. I'm Alastair Bruce Ball, and this is the commentators view where we five live commentators gather to discuss where we've been, what we've seen, and with your help, add to our great glossary of football commentary. Now, I'm very excited to announce this week. We're going to be joined by a young football reporter who's a bit of a TikTok sensation on the pod later on. but that does come later after we've said hello to our two other TikTok sensations John Murray and Ian Dennis our football correspondent and senior football reporter who we both find at Wembley

because an England squad has been announced more on that anon. How are you chaps? Actually, you know, we are TikTok sensations because we do unknowingly appear on TikTok on the 5 Live BBC Sport TikTok. We're often on there even though we are perhaps some of us oblivious to that sensations quite strong though John isn't it

it's strong yeah um before we get on to to England obviously there's been Champions League football this week I was in Prague you chap stayed home as it were weren't you just in Prague enjoyed it John I completely forgotten I don't know if you heard the so it was the early kickoff on Tuesday yeah I'm aware it was the early kickoff what are you saying that talk about ideal toastings

an early kickoff in Prague mid-noven November. I'd completely forgotten that I'd been to the stadium but two years ago to watch one of the best games I've ever commented on, which was West Ham winning a European trophy. And the night before the game, I was saying to Pat, Pat Nevin, who was with me. I was saying, Slavia Prague, no, I've never done them at home. Definitely been in Prague, but I can't, yeah, maybe an international game I've done there. And Pat was saying, oh, I've been to this stadium, I've been to this stadium. We then got to the stadium. And I worked out, I had been there before to do the West Ham game. And it had completely gone out of my head. And Pat had never been there before. He's. been to the Sparta Stadium. I've been there many times and also been to many different stadiums. And so I can understand your confusion. And even

then, the other night, I was thinking, was that the stadium where the Cobra scored? But I think it was, wasn't it, against England? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Did you chaps have to go in through the McDonald's? Like we had to go in through the McDonald's. Not that I recall.

And I'm sure if anyone would remember that, it would be what do you say i have been there and seen the changing of the garden i know that you you ali had engineer mark and also producer chris had never been to pride before and i saw them both the previous weekend and i said do go and see the changing of the guard and i believe i heard you say that they did they did and pat went with them i was doing my notes and podcasting so i didn't get to see that mark also succeeded he was sent on a mission

to come home with some Czech plum jam which apparently is a bit of a speciality so he was scouring the Czech supermarkets for plum jam but he found some I remember you know one of those brilliant when the menu the English translation is nothing like and I remember on a restaurant in Prague

seeing the option of having either a bag of earth or cream of hippoc What did you go for? Well, it would be hypocritical of me. Yeah. Well, it's fun. I mean, they do like there, as you chaps will know from your travels, like if you, I mean, you can eat some fantastic food there, but they do like their meat, don't they?

Yeah. Yeah, they like, it can be heavy, can't it? It can be a bit heavy. And it's a fairly tenuous link just to take it on to the experience inside the football stadium. So Arsenal were very good yet again. another Champions League win absolutely flying as they are in the Premier League

and they scored early in the second half to make it 2-0 and at that point you're thinking we've got 40 minutes of commentary here and there's not much jeopardy in the game because Arsenal are so comfortable what made the whole evening but particularly that second half

still such a joy to commentate on was the support from the Slavia Prague fans in terms of the actual definition of the word support your team is getting stuff they've got absolutely no chance and they were with them the atmosphere inside the stadium throughout was brilliant

But the reason I'm sort of linking to me was commentating on the game, I suddenly turned my head in the last 10 minutes. I hadn't even noticed them do it. But you know sometimes at Newcastle you'll get 10 fans, 15 fans will all take their tops off and they'll be dotted around the same. The entire end to our left-hand side, there must have been, I don't know, there must have been 8,000 chaps in there all had their tops off. And I'd not notice them, take them off.

And then I turned to my left and suddenly, it was, as I think I called it, Is it like a wall of flesh? It was revolted. It was a great line in the commentary. Gabriel plays back to David Ryb. We're in the 90th minute of the game. And now all the shirts have come off from the fans away to what I left. They are brilliant.

They have put on some show tonight. Really surprising. I mean, I'm not sure how delightful that is. I mean, that end, I would see 75% of it are now topless. That is a stunning display. of Czech flesh. And by the way, it isn't roasting him. I've got a gloves on.

Yeah. In a jacket and three layers. Mind you, the atmosphere you had on Tuesday night, wasn't a patch on the atmosphere you were inside, Ian. On, yeah, later that night, yeah, Anfield. People say it's a cliche

European nights, but Anfield, I just think it comes alive on a European night. Brucea Dortmund supporters were brilliant. And it was a good match, you know. Manchester City, Brucea Dortmund. That was an impressive of win. And I think it has been very, very well set up by Manchester City and Liverpool for their match in the Premier League on Sunday afternoon. What was that? He's 1001st goal off his left

foot for Erling Harland. That's right. As I gave you credit for, Ian, did you? During the match, I did. He will hope not to miss a tapping, and therefore I must not miss this tapping because Anthony Marshall, who is the head of communications at Tottenham Hotspur, sent me a message last week, just enjoying the latest episode of the podcast and thought you'd want to know that the tap-in does exist at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium, because of course we were talking about it, weren't we? He said, our main stadium bars and the concourses are all called the tap-in. You guys may even have to walk past one on level five on your way to the common position, John. So you've leapt ahead to unintended pub names.

But I actually sent you both a picture because I was at Tottenham last Sunday. and actually saw it before I knew about Anthony's email to us. So yes, it is there. Yeah, but it needs to be called. And I'm, you know, very much appreciate the communication from Anthony. And that was, that's, that is Anthony Marshall. That's not Anthony Marciel who's been in touch. It's definitely, definitely Anthony.

I think it needs to be the easy tap. Which is not to say that Anthony Marseal would not be welcome, were he to want to send an email to the commentator's view. I should hastily add. But I think it needs to be the easy tap. in or the simple tap in or the unmissable tap in or it's there's something tap in anyway we are going to get on to unintended pub names and the glossary in a bit WhatsApp and voice notes always welcome to the pod please 08000 289369 and your emails to tcv at bbcc.co.com.com. But business in hand

you chaps are at wembley so there's been an england squad announcement today we're recording this Friday lunchtime so you've seen the squad announced and john I know you've chatted to Thomas Tuchel. This is a head of World Cup qualifiers in a week's time. England, though, have already qualified for the tournament in Canada, Mexico and the United States next summer. But competition is obviously growing for seats on the plane. Jude Belling and Phil Foden both record this time around. So here is Thomas Tuckel with John after the press conference. Thomas, I think, judging by what I've just been listening to you say in there, you might have set a little bit of a hair running, as we say, by, well, it sounded to me.

though. You opened up the possibility of being England manager beyond the World Cup. I opened up the possibility. There's always a possibility. If the F.A. is happy with me and there's always the possibility, but the focus is now for a camp. You said you're finding this a lot of fun. More fun than you thought? Not more fun than I thought. I find it just reassuring. I find it as exciting as I was hoping it to be. I took the job. I didn't know exactly what was coming.

I knew that I would love to work with the players, but I was not aware of what demands of international football for a coach actually means. Am I missing the daily work with the players? Yes, still, but it is very exciting so far to be close to this group of players and to shape this group of players. and of course leads the group into a World Cup.

So the best is yet to come. The most exciting part is yet to come. And I'm looking very much forward to it. I'm in personally, I'm in a good place. I like where I am. It's a lot of fun. It's very demanding. And so, all fine.

What sort of England squad is Jude Bellingham going to find when he comes back into this? Is he going to find it very different to what he was in? involved in in June? I hope so, in a good way. I hope so because I think we took some steps in terms of energy and in terms of how we play, how we approach games on and off the pitch. So I hope he finds it different because I think we took some steps in the right direction. And now with the likes of him and Phil who are like regulars within the English national team, I hope they can contribute and keep this thing going on an even faster pace. Okay, we'll get on to Bellingham and Foden the squad in a second, John.

I'm just interested that first line of conversation you ventured down with Thomas Tuchel. How did that come up? Was he asked a direct question there, or did he sort of float that possibility? What happened was in the media conference, the press conference, where he spoke about the squad that he's named, we should give credit to James Olly from ESPN who said to Thomas Tuchel are you open-minded about staying on beyond the World Cup

to which he gave a very open answer to that and said that he hasn't thought about the potential of talking about a new contract and that there's time for that but he said I like the direction so he didn't very firmly didn't say no and to my mind was seemed open to the possibility of that happening, hence the reason that I asked that question. But also, when he was appointed, when I spoke to him back then for the first time, I clearly remember him talking about how he'd become a bit of an 18-month two-year manager. And that was his limit in jobs, and he didn't stay any longer than that.

And our feeling was that this was very much a one-off. He's been taken on, Thomas Tuchel, to do this job for a limited period. of time. The target is to win the World Cup. If they do, great. If they don't, well, there we are. And then he'll be back off to club management. To me, listening to him today, it sounds as though that might not necessarily be the case. But so much will depend on how England fare in the tournament next summer. So he's quite right to say, right, let's focus on what we've got in front of us and we'll deal with it later on. Bellingham and Foden Backy, and no surprise given their club form recently, I guess.

No, not at all. I actually thought, before hearing Tuchel talk today, Ali, that Bellingham might not necessarily start that first game because they've got Serbia at Wembley on Thursday, then they travel to Albania. Of course, they've already qualified. And I think, to be fair, Morgan Rogers deserves to start ahead of Bellingham, the way he's played of late.

But Tuchel said today that had they been looking to win the games for World Cup qualification, he would have probably kept the same team. He's now opened up the possibility that he might go and look at different scenarios for both of those matches. But it would have been inconceivable to think that Bellingham would have been excluded again from this squad

because obviously he was left out last time in October for the games against Wales and Latvia. But since then, he's been in good form up until the game at Anfield had scored in three successive matches for Real Madrid. And I think that both he and Phil Foden are fully warranted for their place in the squad of 25. Yeah, the

demanded selection. And as Thomas Tuchel said, those who have been left out, Loftus Cheek, Gibbs White, from the midfield, they've been outperformed by two excellent players who are playing in the Champions League. I also liked his comment about

ahead of March, he's then going to reconnect with the 55 to 60 players on his long list. He's going to try and see them, meet them, text them get in touch with them because I still think

there are a number of players Luke Shaw for instance could consider himself maybe unfortunate not to be in this squad what's going to happen with Trent Alexander Arnold and Kyle Walker

you know there are a number of players who are not included who I still think there are now question marks about their international futures but also Noni Madweke Livermento and Cole Palmer

who are three players you would say would have to be in the score I would feel so England Serbia is Thursday the 13th of November kicks off at 745

we've got full commentary on that game and then on Sunday so on Sunday week Albania against England is a 5 o'clock kickoff and we've got full commentary on that and what I must say before we move on to the Premier League footballers

what I must do as Graham Taylor what you must do always used to say was mention the other games for the Home Nations because there's some big football coming up a lot of which you will be able to hear on the BBC network. So get yourself the BBC Sounds app.

The games will either be on Five Live, Sports Extra, sports extra two or sports extra three. I mean, in particular, Scotland's game away to Greece, the first of their two, if they manage to avoid defeat there, they've got a massive game at home against Denmark because if they beat Denmark at home then,

they would automatically qualify for the World Cup. Wales have got a couple of games. I think Belgium are away and clear there, though. I think they'll expect Belgium to win that group. Wales want to get the runner-up spot. Northern Ireland are still in there as well. So they're behind Germany and Slovakia, but important games coming for them too.

So, you know, make sure you get that BBC Sounds app and you will be able to listen to whatever you like. And of course, the Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland matches. You can watch on the BBC. Yeah, great point, John. Right, let's get on to the domestic football then, the Premier League action this weekend before the international break. Commentaries as far as the eye can see.

Deno, you've got West Ham Burnley. Saturday 3 o'clock alongside Pat Nevin I was with Pat in Prague this week and we both agree with each other that is going to be a real tense scrappy relegation tussle although West Ham showed some form actually to beat Newcastle didn't they?

Yeah but did you see that statistic from Chris Collinson who does a lot of the stats for much of the day over the last 10 years of all the promoted sides naught to seven points you've got an 8% chance of survival 8 to 10 points a 20% chance of survival

11 or more all 12 promoted sides who've got that amount of points have survived and stayed up over the last 10 years and Burnley are on 10 points and West Hamer 3 adrift of them so...

And that was after how many matches? That was after 10 games the last 10 seasons you've got to accumulate these amount of points and it gives you a bit of a sort of like a sliding scale if you like but if Burnley can win

that game at West Ham, then they go six points clear of West Ham United. So it is a, it is a, well, it's the proverbial six point. It's a glossary special. John obviously saw West Ham beat Newcastle last weekend. Three o'clock Saturday, then that's where Ian will be. Everton, Fulham, you can listen to on Sports Extra. John's at the stadium alight. This could have been second against first. It's actually fourth against first, but Sunderland Arsenal has the makings of a really good game as well, I think, John. Agreed, and Sunderland were a little below par on Monday night against Everton. But Arsenal, as you know, I've got one or two injury issues, and as we speak now, we're not entirely sure what the situation is.

But of course, as it's been widely discussed, they now have a deeper squad than they've ever had before. But I think that is a very interesting one, and I'm looking forward. James McFadner hadn't worked with for quite a while, sort of in the flesh, as it were. So really looking forward to that. So that's Saturday 5.30. Then because it's been a European week, four games kicking off at 2 o'clock on Sunday. So again, they'll be across all our different platforms.

Our five live game is at the City Ground is Nottingham Forest against Leeds. I'm doing that one with Sue Smith, which, I mean, apart from anything else, it's going to be a cracking atmosphere. I was actually in looking at the stats of, you were talking about your sort of staying up with a certain number of points stats there. I was looking at when Premier League clubs,

have three managers in a season and you always think that's going to end terribly and the examples you think of are the ones that have ended terribly you know Watford have done it full of done it exactly did lead to have three during a season yeah that was recently John when they

when they last got relegated because Sam Allardyce finished in charge after Havi Grassea and Jesse Marsh but but actually there's quite a few examples of clubs who've had three managers during a Premier League season and done okay so that's not this week's clash of the commentators

Okay. Question. Well, if it is, there's a steward's inquiry already. So Nottingham Forest Leeds is on 5 Live. Brentford, Newcastle, Villa Bournemouth, Palace, Brighton. You'll be able to listen to all of those in full, either on Sports Exeter 2, Sports Exeter 3, BBC Sport website and app.

And then it all builds, John. Sunday 4.30, Manchester City against Liverpool. Now, I did Liverpool's defeat against Crystal Palace in the League Cup, which is just over a week ago and with that team selection I remember us all saying at the time let's see what happens you know over the next 10 days

they've beaten Aston Villa they've beaten Rail Madrid now they go to Manchester City but Manchester City have shown good form as well and I was I was in the room with Pep Guardiola on Wednesday night and I mean it could be leading us up the garden path but I thought he very much had the body language

of a man who likes where his team is right now and you know there's a bit of psychology and that as well of course isn't there in projecting that to the outside but what I like about this is you know very often over the course of recent seasons I've gone to Manchester City Liverpool matches and thought well probably a point if they both if they come out of this with a point then they'll probably take that two of them I think with Arsenal doing what they're doing this is a one where they will both be thinking we need to win this we have got a ton of correspondence to get through and we've still got our brilliant guest to come as well.

Young Jacob Colshaw is on the way on this podcast. Unintended pub names first. Last week it was all about the easy tap-in. Already had some correspondence on that in this pod. Chris Wise and former Forest Defender Luke Chambers getting a lot of air time on this pod over the last couple of weeks because first from them we had the majestic Munoz. Then dozens of listeners told us we ironically missed the easy tap-in

from the same clip. But now we're going to play the clip again, we've got to play the same clip again because John in London says there's another unintended pub name in there. He takes the extra touch which allows Munoz to make up that ground and cut it out for the easy tapping. The majestic Munoz

so good at going in both directions. So John says, thank you be a great podcast which I listen to and walking my dogs every Saturday morning. Further to your discussion regarding the majestic Munoz and the easy tapping, I think you may have missed another sitter in the very same commentary

when just before the easy tap-in the commentator mentions the player taking the extra touch I imagine it to be a small friendly family-run pub in the countryside where nothing is too much trouble and perhaps they provide a complimentary packet of crisps with every pint

the extra touch keep up with the great work I know that's amazing I'll tell you what would be a good idea for the extra touch would be if you had one of those big sort of as you say what I call them

sort of chain pub you could have the big chain pub that attracted your family crowd but what you could do is you could actually build a little building next door called the extra touch which could be just a bar

with you know an interesting range of of drinks available but what if that becomes more popular than the main building and then it all gets jammed and queued up and no one's in no one's in you're laughing then you're laughing then

You're laughing all the way to the bank. Mark in Guangzhou, China also says at the risk of flogging... The first one we've had from Guangzhou. I think it's the first one we've had from Guangzhou. Says at the risk of flogging a dead horse, what about the extra touch? Although that name might be more suited to a massage parlour, says Mark. Joshua from Grimsby, loved the pod. During the West Ham Newcastle match, I heard John say another unintended pub name.

West Ham breaking forward now with Jared Bourne, the captain, into the penalty area. Right foot of ball across, and it's lifted over the top of the near post by the Falling Somerville. It was under pressure, but couldn't get it on target. Smalltown boy? Jimmy. And then Joshua sent us another email off the back of that. High again, just after emailing about the Falling Somerville, I heard John say another unintended pub name. Murphy on the right, Joe Linton on the left, and the gangly Osula up front, the Danish Under 21 International, who has shown more this season.

Yes, he has. I like the way he's described in Gangana. But he is like that. We're Osula, but yeah, he's done well. He's still sticking with Osula rather than Osula. Osula. It's Osula. Well, I actually listened back to it.

I don't think there's much, I think there's not a great difference between Osula and Osula. We've actually had this before. I know we've had this before. We've actually played him saying his own name in this pod. I've listened to it again, and I thought there was an Osula.

I thought there was an Osula. Would you prefer to drink in the Osula or the Osula? I'd rather drink in the gangly Osula, I think. I would go with the Osula. William, Osula. One more time, please. William Osula. I think I'd prefer the Osula.

You would. We also had this one from Rams fan, Liz. I'm sure I wasn't the only one who's ears pricked up when John referred to the Danish Newcastle striker as the gangly Osula. John, do you want to do the next one? Yeah, Sheffield Wednesday fan James has gone. for something Leon Osmond, the popular Leon Osmond said in commentary at Nottingham Forest versus Manchester United.

And part from, you know, immediately after they scored and started trying to play through a Nottingham Forest aggressive press, they've actually known when to play Manchester United and I think they found him Bwemongunya in some brilliant pocket of space. Here is in boom up. So James says, Leon Osmond saying immediately after United at school, they started trying to play through the Nottingham Forest aggressive press. That to me sounds like a rowdy pub, micro-sidery. full of rambunctious journalists,

the Nottingham Forest, aggressive press. Up the owls, says James. Not very welcoming, though, is it? I'm just going for a pint in the aggressive press. I think that sounds quite good. I'd approach with caution. I think it's probably one of those places if you're not a regular,

you open the door and it'll all go quiet and they'll suss you out for a bit. And then I think once you've been in there a few times, then you'd probably be all right. Well, the man who started off, the unintended pub names, is Paul Robinson. and Sarah in Madrid says,

Hi, Allie said an unintended club name in the Manchester City commentary with Robo. Anthony Taylor was going to let that go, but then he looked where Docu was and he was just about to accelerate freely into the 18-yard box. He's need him in the back of the calf, the left calf there.

That is the untatooed calf, I can see on the close-up of Alex Himinez. I'm really enjoying the Docu-Himines battle, actually. The untatooed calf. And do you see that Sarah says, I have in mind calf, as in baby cow, not as in the part of the leg. I even have attached the pub sign, although the AI image generator has missed a letter out of the name. Still, you get the idea. That's great.

And there it is. There's the pub sign for the untatued calf. Love all the correspondence, keep it coming in. Rick in Solford, absolutely love the pod listening to a game over the weekend. and unfortunately I can't remember which one it was as I was knee-deep in DIY I heard the phrase someone walking off to a cacophony of booze

I don't think that was me so I have used that cacophony before it's good word that that was me that was the Nottingham Forest game because of the referee's decision to award the corner that led to the goal for Casamiro's header well Darren England is being flanked by security guards as he makes his way down to the tunnel to a cacophony of booze here at the city ground

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as I promoted earlier on Jacob Colshaw before we get Jacob on though he's sitting there waiting for us let's hear him in action on his five live sport debut last weekend at Eastley we're in an update from Eastley in the FA Cup as well Jacob Shaw? Yeah, and Walswell's double their lead, John Eastley-Neil, Walsall 2. Daniel Karnu, rifling one into the roof of the Eastley-Net. It feels like such a sucker punch. Just five minutes into the second half, Eastley-Nell-Waltzell 2. Yes, we've got Jacob Overload this afternoon, Jacob Murphy, Jacob Ramsey, Jacob Koshaw. Forget TikTok sensation. That was Five Live Sensation. That was a very assured debut debut. You actually laugh when I said TikTok sensation.

Are you not having that then, James? I'm having it. I'm having it. I actually thought I've only been on Five Live! I've wanted them already part of the team, apparently. So, no, it's great to be on. And thanks so much for having me, John Alley, Ian. A bit surreal, really, if I'm honest. What makes you a TikTok sensation? I wouldn't say sensation. I'd probably just go with TikTok chancer.

But basically, I started to, well, it was actually one of my good mates, actually, who said, why don't you film yourself doing the reports for a couple of reasons? Firstly, your posture, your body language, your energy. And when you sort of review your stuff, when you listen to you. it back, how does it sound? And then he said, well, you should post this. Why, why are you not posting it? And I was doing it for BBC London, the great team with Phil Parry, Nick Godwin, Aaron Paul, who's obviously gone into amazing things. Zavi Bird as well, worked so hard. And I pester them. They probably hate me. I say, do you mind sending the clip for this goal or for this moment? And I just

think up the audio with the video and put it out. And it seemed to resonate with people. And yeah, It's been really, I mean, a little bit, again, surreal to see how it's kind of taken off. But for me, doing five live last week was the pick of the bunch so far. When you're doing that, Jacob, do you forget that the camera is there? So people love that, they love that sort of behind the scene stuff. And quite often now, we have the sort of commentary mic thing going on. So, you know, they'll put one of those little cameras when we're doing a commentary and then play the goal clips and whatever. But are you, do you find you're still able to be totally natural doing that?

I think so, Ali. I've kind of been surrounded by cameras since I was 16. I know I can't grow a beer, but I'm 24. And I've kind of got used to it a little bit. And I think probably the biggest thing nowadays, just in general, is authenticity. And I'll be totally honest. I'll do the complete same report, go update if the camera was on or wasn't. And I guess that kind of, as I said, resonates with people slightly. So yeah, I kind of forget about it. I think, as you guys know better than me, you can't, don't really have the time to think about that. When you're engrossed in the game, you're feeling the game. It's very difficult. difficult to even think about a camera being on. And I think that's probably the beauty of a com cam, if we want to call it that. But yeah, it's been incredible, really, to see it go off. So did it feel different stepping into the world of Five Live with us? Well, actually, a fun story about that. The week before, I had a one-to-one with Rob Northman. I know he is very highly regarded with everybody at the BBC. But he gave you a breakdown of sort of things to improve on. And I sort of went away and thought, okay, let's try and bring it into last Saturday. or last Sunday, rather. And then what actually made it special? No offence to Ali and Ian, but one of my father's favourites,

my dad's favourites is John Murray. And one of my granddad's favourites is John Murray as well. And unfortunately, he's not with us. He passed away three months ago. So it was a little bit, I wouldn't say bitter sweet, but I know he would have loved to have listened to that on Sunday with you handing it over, John, and giving me a shout out. So it was a really, really nice moment.

And I can't wait hopefully to do one of yourself, Ali and Ian, but on that first one, on that debut, to do it with John, felt almost like fate a little bit. Well, you've almost brought a tear to my eye there with that. Normally, of course, I'm the housewife's favourite. No, it was lovely, actually, and I got a few messages from family saying you would have loved to listen to that. But no, great. And hopefully, well, I'm actually at a game tomorrow in the early kickoff in the WSL between Arsenal and Chelsea. It's the second one's around the corner, and as you guys know, you're only as good as your last game.

So that's sort of the mindset I'm going in. What was the first game you ever did, Jake? Can you remember, you know, how you got into it and the first game you ever did reports for? Sure. Long story short, Ali. As I said, I've been in and around football media since I was 16. And, well, as you know, Aaron Paul,

and a lot of listeners will know Aaron Paul. I've known Aaron for a long, long time since 2018. I used to volunteer at another radio station, a small radio station where Aaron was coming through. Anyway, I stayed in touch with Aaron. I went off to university. I did a placement year. and it came around to when I finished

and I still stayed in touch of Aaron and I wanted to do this at some point but I didn't really think it would happen as quickly as it had and I came out of university and Aaron says look I think you'd be really good for BBC London they're looking for a freelance reporter and as the sort of mindset I've gone in with is just say yes to everything and see what it leads to

and I did Millwall versus Sheffield Wednesday at the start of last season so I've done about 30 games now it was under Neil Harris they were looking for their first win of the season and they won 3-0 and I thought you know what this is a great one to start with

the post match was quite nice with Neil he was on good form and I thought okay we've sort of settled in we've got a foot under the table and so yeah I've just been covering

Millwall mainly Fulham QPR down to AFC Wimbled and Barnett and just trying to get as many miles on the clock as possible or many hours as possible because as you guys well know the different situations

the different environments you can ever predict really what's going to happen and I like to think there's a long way to go but even in those first 30 games have had so many different situations scenarios from preparation to arriving as early as possible technical difficulties maybe the bit that people don't see and that's sort of the grounding

I guess you need and that's why I'll always be a huge supporter of local radio because it gave me an opportunity to get out there and sort of hopefully show what I can do well we three are all very much singing from the same song sheet there one other question I had as well Jacob just talking about the session you have with with Rob Northman so we have all had sessions like that, you know, in terms of commentary sessions and Rob does that brilliant thing of sort of taking examples of your work, gently pulling it apart and

trying to improve you, but you still walk out of the room feeling 10 foot tall and feeling like you can do the job. I'd be really interested to know what kind of things he told you to work on where he felt you could improve in your reporting. Sure. We did QPR versus Millwall and I was next to Emily, who's around my age as well,

who was doing the early kicker. off for that one. And one of the biggest things that Rob said to me was sort of keep the content, keep your personality, keep the flavour. You can't really replicate that with other people. You have your own style. But I think one of the biggest things he said to me was I had a tendency to start pretty relaxed and casual. And as I got towards the ends and sort of fading out, I'd speed up a little bit. And I hadn't really noticed it until Rob mentioned it. And he got his recorder out and we did a goal update for, I think Mill took the lead through Femie Aziz. got the recorder out, I did my update, and we re-listened to it, and then he just said,

I'm just going to stop it there, and you can hear, you've just sped up a little bit. And by the time it came around to the second half and Coupier, I pull one back, I'd already taken that on. I like to think, and there was a difference in pace. And even when I listened to that example you gave, I felt maybe I just was a little bit quick on the outro, but that's just the nature of it. I think you can always, always improve, obviously, but also the beauty of Rob is he's so, such a lovely, lovely man. And I think he could have said anything to me, I probably would have said thank you, but he was so helpful. And yeah, it was great fun, really good fun to do it.

And also, there's no better way to learn, I think, than doing it at a game live and feeling the game ultimately. Well, Jacob, Ian and I, I know, can't wait to queue into you reporting at a five live game. So we're yet to have the pleasure. Johns already done that. Good luck with it. And I do think people, you know, younger budding football reporters and commentators listening to this will really take inspiration from, you know, what you've managed to achieve so far

and, you know, get to where you've got. to because and so many people can sort of follow you in action doing it so it's it's hugely impressive so thanks for coming on well done yeah really kind thank you ily thank you in thanks as well for those kind words about your dad and your grandfather that's uh that has really touched me that good looks take care thank you guys cheers jacob that's jacob kohlshore fantastic and um we have mentioned rob nothman on this pod before haven't we chaps but the work he does with he is he is isn't he what he does with us with young people coming through with you know, all of the summarizers that we work with

in terms of honing their skills and making them sound as good as they can be on edge. Rob is just a genius at that. And now Jacob's gone. Because I was with Rob on the Saturday at Tottenham. Rob was the producer, and he did say to me, listen out to this guy tomorrow. I did.

Excellent. Very good, very good. Right. I've got pen and paper ready because I've got to take on the in form. Ian Dennis in Clash of the Commentators this week, which I'm, yeah, I'm dreading. I have to say I'm genuinely dreading this week, actually. You're playing that, mind games. Yeah. You're the one who's been playing mind games.

No, I'm not in form. I lost my last, you're only as good as your last game as Jacob's just said and I actually lost my last game. Right, so today it is going to be last season's champion, Ali, against the current leader, Ian. The current standings, Ian, top of the table. Five points from six. Ali in second place with now three points from seven after his agonising victory last week, which I still haven't got over.

So I am back where I belong at the bottom of the table in third with two points from seven played. So I could be marooned after today. But let's see what happens first. Who's going to go first this time? mind Ian's in the same room at Wembley with May. Has to be Ian. It has to be Ian, doesn't it? Has to be it.

Correct. So Ali's going to disconnect. Just looking at this question, Ian, for the first time. Mm-hmm. Ah, this is, there's a little twist here, so I'm standby for this. Okay. So, are you ready? Yeah.

The highlight this weekend on Five Live in terms of our football commentaries is the match between Manchester City and Liverpool on Five Live's Premier League. Sunday. 4.30. Dionne Dublin will be with me for the commentary. And Ian, I want you to name any player to have scored for either club this season in the Premier League, but here's the twist. Just to make you think that little bit harder, we are going to do minus points this week for any wrong answers. So, off you go. Van Dyke. Soboslite.

O'Reilly. Cherokee, grinders. Stick with my line. Very, very cannily played there. Choosing to stick rather than twist. right we'll wave Ali back I like that I like that twist in the game yeah that was good wasn't it

yeah it was good yeah makes you think yeah yeah um Ali you're back with us yeah I just see two faces read in smiles but what worries me is I saw Denno counting things off and that means he's got a decent number of answers there anyway

so Ali the question is for you the highlight this weekend on Five Live is Manchester City Liverpool on Five Lives Premier League Sunday. 4.30 kickoff. Dionne Dublin with me for that. I want you to name any player to have scored for either club this season

in the Premier League. But there is a twist. Just to make you think that little bit harder, we are going to do minus points for any wrong answers. So, off you go. In the Premier, oh, I've wasted time there. Foten Harland.

Shirkies definitely scored. Liverpool. Salah scored in the Premier League Eckertica scored in the Premier League Gatpo scored in the Premier League Gravenberg has scored um do I risk that one

I say Frimpong Oh um Rinders Rinders Rinders I'm not too sure that was in time I think it was in time I think it was in time but I think you might have done yourself Oh no with the Frimpong

with the frimpong Ali, I think you might have just dropped in for a swift half at the mistaken frimpong Oh dear Oh dear And Ian, you did get a minus by the way Oh did I?

You did? In that case, didn't know Van Dyke You said Van Dyke Oh, I knew he hadn't scored in the Premier League And that's why I didn't say him Yeah, so you didn't get one taken off Oh, in that case it's going to be a draw Is it?

Is it? I think he's going to be eight 8 is it now well we're waiting now the independent adjudicator is cutting up the totals and it is a draw it's seven each right with eight correct answers each and you both got one wrong that the players you didn't get were oh yeah teus nunez was the only Manchester city player neither of you got and the Liverpool players that neither he said a kiezer you You didn't say, and you didn't say Ungamoa. Yeah. And you didn't say Kerkaz. Ah, thought of you. You see, Ali, the last five seconds, I actually said I'm not, I'm not, I'm sticking with my lot. Yeah.

I made an educator, which in hindsight, I should have said, Ekateke. So as a result of the draw, neither of you get any points. So the table remains. What? Ian, five points from six. Ali, three from seven. And I'm still in touch at the bottom of the table with two from seven. So there we are.

Let's move on. Well, sometimes we have a tie-breaker. Oh, hang on a minute. There's a tie-breaker. Is there? Oh. That's a shame. This is one that you just have to shout them out, so this is going to be disastrous.

Ready? This fixture finished Manchester City 5, Liverpool Nill, in September 2017. One player in that match was sent off late in the first half. Who was that player? Jordan Harrison. Phil Foden, Ruben Diasch, John Stones. The clue is

Mo Sala. There's a high challenge on Edison. A high challenge on Edison, so that'll be... That'll be Roberto Femino. Sadie O'Mane. Ali has got... Oh, yes.

Adio Manet. Why were you so sure on Henderson, Denno? You were, very sure. Yeah, you just stopped. I don't know where I've got that from. I actually don't remember him being sent up. the Liverpool. Anyway, congratulations, Alan.

Yeah, thanks. Well, what a nail biter that was. Yeah. So, therefore, there is a change in the table. Neutrals, I know we'll be disappointed. They'll have wanted a nil, nil, drawl. But Ali gets the point. So now...

How will those housewives cope? I don't know. I don't know. So the new standings, the new league table, the Clash of the Commentator, to seize Ian, five from seven, Ali, four, from eight, and then me, two from seven. So that's made things interesting at the top end of the table. That was almost as dramatic as the denouement of the traitors, the celebrity traitors finale this week.

Which I know, Deno, you even, did you watch it? Yeah. I did. Yes, which is the end of it, I think. Brilliant. I heard you say. Great telly. Great telly.

Right. Time for the great glossary of football commentary where we add listener suggestions of football specific commentary terms and phrases to our collection. So div 1 for football exclusive terms. Div 2 for terms used in football commentary but also used in other sports. So last week we added Fox in the Box, the Olympico, scoring directly from the corner. Zwao from Brazil told us he was particularly delighted with. one and the Rolls Royce of a player.

I missed an absolute sitter when Rodry came off the bench for Manchester City against Bournemouth at the weekend. And I'd actually written down in my notes when Roderie, if he gets involved, refer to being a Rolls-Royce. Completely forgot to do it. Annoying. Anyway, they went into Division 1. Here is a voice note on that very subject, in fact, from John in Newcastle.

Last week, the glossary dealt with the Rolls-Royce term. Now, to be honest, I haven't heard anywhere other than football except over 30 years ago when Jimmy White was at his absolute peak in the World Snooker Championship. I can't remember what year it was, probably 92, 93 sort of time. He probably lost Hendry in the final no matter what, but he played an unbelievable match against someone and I remember distinctly about age 10,

the Comptych said this man is the Rolls-Royce of Snooker. It's actually in a commentary. Well, therefore, then... I wouldn't have described... I mean, because his nickname's the world went, I wouldn't have thought of him as a Rolls-Royce. No. He's a Lamborghini, isn't he?

I would have thought somebody like Cliff Thorburn would have been the Rolls-Royce. Yeah. Yeah, but therefore this means that Rolls-Royce now needs to be relegated. Absolutely. Yep, gone. And actually, Hamish,

same name as my brother, incidentally. But he doesn't live in Melbourne, Australia, and like Hamish, who's got in touch with us, says hello fabulous commentators view team I feel obliged to inform you that Rolls Royce is regularly used in commentary to describe players in Aussie rules and may therefore need to slide to Division 2 of the glossary

never miss an episode although it is getting harder to maintain the 2am wake-ups to watch my struggling Liverpool and Dr Sycat has got in touch on the emails TCV at BBC.co.com. UK I was surprised to hear you place Rolls Royce in Division 1. Growing up in Calcutta, India, my first introduction to the term was through reading stories about the great West Indies cricket team of the 70s. Michael Holding was my original

Rolls-Royce. This term to me is reserved for timeless masters and classics like Richard Hadley and Jimmy Anderson. That kind of pedigree puts it firmly in Division 2. Michael Holdings run up. Whispering death? Like whispering death, of course. That's what he was called, wasn't he? Yeah. And did we mention last week, this one came to mind during the week that to me the ultimate Rolls-Royce player and it was actually suggested to me I think by James Porter, one of our former producers

Trevor Brooker was the ultimate Rolls-Royce midfielder Sir Trevor. I wondered when the term was first coined and which player first got called a Rolls-Royce and then, you know, anyway, for another day. We have another one from, is this

Eden? Or is it Eden? As in Eden Azard? Anyway, it's probably Eden, who says, catching up on FA Cup first round highlights. And Simon Brotherton, one of our favourites, used a phrase in the South Shields versus Shrewsbury Town game. Maybe an opportunity for South Shields to venture forward for the first time in the match

with Black and into the penalty area and just wide of the post off the boot of Sedwyn Scott. Well, there's an early shot across the bows for Shrewsbury. That's a classic. I mean, that can't be Div 1 because that's, you know, that's, hey, a military term and it's used everywhere, isn't it? But I like it. I like it. I like it for an early strike on goal, exactly like that in a game, a warning shot. Yeah, it's good. We've had one from James in the Suffolk countryside. A new potential entrant to the Glossary Division 1 is leading the line to highlight a player who is playing an attack.

It's a common description and one I don't think I've heard in another sport. leading the line leading the line is probably a division one isn't it could be hockey

can you lead the line why do we always go to hockey because it's similar to football as a sport by the way the one I stuck

on the group chaps I don't know whether the listeners want to get involved in this so the emails please to tcv

at bbcccccc co.com UK Sara Orch was doing some rugby reporting on Saturday while I was

driving around in the car and she used a phrase which in rugby means something totally different to what it

means in football. So are they glossary terms that actually mean different things in different sports? Because she talked about Steve Borthwick bringing on the bomb squad, which is basically all the big fellas that replaced the people in the front row and put all the grunt in the second half. If you're in the bomb squad in football, you're out of the team, aren't you? It's the players, the manager, doesn't want to deal with? So I don't know how many examples there are of that. I've not been able to

think of any others, but it really struck me while I was listening to that. Yeah, because Chelsea had their own version of their bomb squad, didn't they, at the start the season. People such as Rahim Stirling. Yeah. Anyway, that is something else for the emails. So in summary, Rolls-Royce has been demoted to Division 2 and shot across the bows is in Division 2.

So we have no entrance to Division 1. Oh, well, leading the line, possibly. Leading the line. Leading the line. Yeah, I guess unless anyone puts us straight on that, we'll stick leading the line in Division 1. When did you record that? Anyway, these days, just before we go,

we can't go a month without one of these dropping into our inbox. You may know where I'm going with this when I say this email is from Leeds fan Gary in sunny Sydney, Australia. Hello, Ali, John and Ian. Very much enjoy listening to your podcast weekly. I thought you may get a little laugh out of these photos below. They're in our document here as a tongue-in-cheek entry into the great glossary of football commentary. Is there maybe room for above where the Cuckabarah sleeps for a shot that goes just over the crossbar?

I saw this the other day when walking my dog and I thought it's something you needed to see and consider. And what the picture is of is a local park in Sydney, Australia, that has a football goal. But attached to the top of the football goal, I presume those are the Aussie rules posts or the Rubber Union posts. And there's a Cookaburrower sitting on the crossbar. of the rugby post

which is about a foot above the crossbar of the actual goal your actual Cuckaburra exactly that's pretty niche that is pretty niche you're not going to see many of those goals

around I don't think yeah so I enjoy that that was and I have seen that you do occasionally see that don't you where they have the football goal and then they've got the rugby post above them I must as mention as well do you remember Sean from last week

who incredibly remembered that I commentated on Lester, Southampton in 1998. He was also, Sean, very excited to find that we do this podcast. He didn't know about the podcast. He says he's going to be listening every week now, which I presume he is. But he also says he played it to his wife, and she said, So, you can remember Lester against Southampton in 1998 on the radio, but you can't remember to put the dishwasher on.

That's a good response. We've got, just before we go, we've got a message as well for Ian from Spurs fan, Kate in Hamburg. Love the pod. It helps me stay on the treadmill at the gym for longer on Saturday morning, so thank you for that. I just wanted to say apologies to the man in Block A3 at the Deacon Blue concert in London on the 3rd of October, who I stared at repeatedly because I was trying to work out whether he was Ian.

Do you remember that? Well, I wasn't actually in A3, Kate. I wasn't too far away. That would have been the real gone kid you were probably looking at. But I was to your right. So A3, I've actually had to have a look to see where I was sat. So A3 is the middle block in front of the stage. And I was in A2.

I was to your right. Well, it could be there. That's very close. Yeah. It had to be you that. Yeah, because Kate's might have got her blocks wrong there. That's you, I think. That's got to be you.

Well, there could have been somebody else who's, you know, balding. glasses. Ruggedly handsome. I'm not necessarily a favourite of the housewives, John. If I never mind. So I was in A2. So if you were staring at the guy to your right

and if you were very close to me, I apologise to my singing, because I can ruin many a video of my singing. That would have been ironic, wouldn't if she spent half the concerts staring at a man who she thought was Ian Dennis, whereas in actual fact, Ian Dennis was right next. Keep the glossary suggestions coming

in. Remember if you hear an unintended pub name in a commentary then send it in TCV at BBC.co.uk and the voice notes as well, please, on WhatsApp to 08,000 289-369. That is it for this episode of the Football Daily. The next one will be a special episode with former England goalkeeper Mary Earps. And remember, you can find each and every episode of the commentator's view by scrolling down your Football Daily feed. She wasn't right next to me because it was Duggy Fipon's wife who was right next to me. There we go. Details as ever.

She kept apologising for barging into me and then we went to see the band backstage. I went up to see Dougie and said hello, nice to see you. And all of a sudden she came over and went, it's you. I've been barging into you all night. I says, yeah.

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