Football Daily - The Commentators’ View: Yeo-ho-ho & Everton Stadium

Episode Date: February 21, 2025

John Murray and Alistair Bruce-Ball are joined by Chris Coles to talk commentary life. From keeping warm with Oliver Glasner to cringey early commentary moments, there are plenty of stories to be told. And Giulia Bould from BBC Radio Merseyside lifts the lid on the new Everton Stadium and reveals what ‘The Commentators’ View’ will be on Bramley-Moore Dock.03:15 Taking the Local Radio route 04:40 First games working at football 10:45 Oliver Glasner jumper-watch 12:45 Painting the pictures in commentary 15:40 Having your phone on the desk in commentary 17:15 Ian Dennis has the Marmoush bragging rights 21:35 Syncing up the radio with the TV pictures 23:30 THE match ball vs A match ball... 25:20 Housery in football 32:10 What is Everton’s new stadium like? 45:10 Clash of the CommentatorsBBC Sounds / 5 Live commentaries this weekend: Fri 1945 Portugal v England in the Women’s Nations League, Sat 1500 Arsenal v West Ham, Sat 1730 Aston Villa v Chelsea starting on 5 Sports Extra, Sun 1400 Newcastle v Nottingham Forest, Sun 1630 Man City v Liverpool.

BBC Sounds music radio podcast. The commentators view with Alistair Bruce Ball, John Murray and Ian Dennis on the Football Daily. Hello, I'm Alistair Bruce Ball. This is the commentators view podcast where we reveal the untold stories from behind the five live commentaries. Chief Football correspondent John Murray is here. He's just back from Madrid, having watched Manchester City's exit from the Champions League this week

in Achille and Mbappe hat trick. There is no Ian Dennis this week, which means John, we've been allowed to start recording the pod a little bit later in the morning, because then it always gets us out of bed nice and early. And I'm delighted to say, go on, John, go on. I was gonna say the cat's's away so the mice are playing. We've had a lion. It's just coming up to 10 past 9 we're recording this on Friday morning but Denno would have had us out of bed by about half 7 so no Ian here which means that we have plucked another commentator reporter from the Five Lives stable delighted to say that Chris Coles this week is making his debut on the commentators view. Chris welcome to the pod how are you?

Hello Ali hello John I'm very well thank you this is an honour I am an LTL as they'd say a long time listener I was listening back in the day where email addresses and whatsapp numbers for voice notes were just a distant dream away so it's great to be part of it. Well, you can join that particular club. We're very familiar with those times, but it's nice to have you on Chris, I must say, because with the, I think Ali, don't you, with the concept of this podcast,

with us three, with Ian and you and I, who've been doing it for such a long time. I think this season there's been a noticeable change hasn't there with people like you Chris and Lee Blakeman and Mike Meyne and Chris Wise doing more matches as well and of course Vicky Sparks as well who's actually taking a career break just for a few months at the moment but you know we're not going to last forever are we Ali? We're not, we're not John and actually I have to say I mean I imagine for the listeners as well as much as I love listening to you and listening to Ian and listening to Connor and listening to those voices I've listened to for so many years I do love listening to new voices on the network and

actually traveling up and down the country you know tuning into to the local radio stations and listening to the commentators on those stations too. But I mean, Chris, your last commentary, four or five live, was that the Crystal Palace game away to Doncaster in the Cup? It was. It was Monday night at Doncaster. Yeah, it was, sadly, it was a bit routine for Crystal Palace. You go to those games hoping that you have a little bit of a storyline, a little bit of an upset maybe, but actually Palace were just very routinely professional and there was very little to get excited about. It was the first game I'd done with Clinton Morrison who's just great fun and actually it was nice to have, especially

during the LOLs in the game, it was 2-0 Palace and not much was going on. It was quite nice to bounce off Clinton and have him to work off because he was great fun. But yeah, cold Monday night in Doncaster a couple of weeks ago, my last one. I think as well, Chris, and I mentioned the other guys too, what actually gives me great comfort, it warms the cockles of my heart that because we all came through the sort of BBC local radio route and that's what you're all doing as well and it feels as though there's a bit of proper continuation there. Yeah, absolutely and for a long while you questioned that route I think because maybe we weren't quite seeing the fruits of our labor, so to speak. We understood in the industry.

It was something I remember actually, I think Darren Fletcher saying on a podcast, patience in this game because people are good, essentially. People are very good and once they are established, it's very difficult to get in. So a patient game and going through local radio, starting at doing freelancing shifts for BBCWM. I know Jackie spoke about that a couple of weeks ago and going to BBC Radio Derby and gradually knocking on the door. So yeah, and you've mentioned Lee Blakeman who came through Radio Stoke and so many that have come through that journey. It's actually quite nice to look back and think, yeah, all of those years with local radio stood you in good stead to then make that move. And

it's, yeah, it's been really heartening to see so many of my generation so to speak get those opportunities. I heard Jackie tell her story answering this question a couple of weeks ago Chris. Can you remember your first football reporting game, your first football commentary game, where you were and how it went. The first one that I ever had would have been for the old BRMB in Birmingham, which then became free radio and it was during the time when commercial radio was still quite thriving with football commentaries. There was free radio. Liverpool was quite big, wasn't it? The commercial scene in Liverpool and there

are a few dotted around. So I did Birmingham City against Charlton in 2012, 2013. Birmingham, I think had just been recently relegated from the Premier League and they were in the championship. It was Lee Clark's first game in charge. It was at St Andrews. I was working for Birmingham at the time, but doing commentaries for the club station and BRMB said, look, we're short of a commentator. Can you do it for us as well? I said, absolutely no problem at all. And Nikola Zygic, the towering Nikola Zygic scores a 90 something minute equalizer. And I remember it well because not only did I use a line that every time I hear it, I

cringe, I got it also the wrong way round. So Zygotsch scores and instead of saying, cometh the hour, cometh the man, I say, cometh the man, cometh the hour, for this 96th minute equaliser. And then I remember thinking, well, that's, that's, that's, I've got that completely wrong. So it stands out for all the wrong reasons, but quite often the early, the early days that days that happens. I don't know about you John but listening to Jackie tell her story and listening to Chris tell that story reminded me of mine which was Ismian Premier Division December 1996 where I went and did Yeovil Town away to Bishop Stortford in a crunch game. Yeovil going really well that season under Graham Roberts. And it was one of those classic examples. I've been into BBC Radio Bristol,

you know, I'd written a letter, I'd love to get into this business, they kept my number, suddenly a reporter drops out in December because they've got other stuff to do or they're not well. Can you get yourself to Bishop Stortford? Have you got a mobile phone? Yes, I can. I'll get my parents to drop me off. No, I haven't got a mobile phone. So off I go and buy an absolute brick of a mobile phone in the 1990s. You remember Ian Botham in the old adverts with those giant sort of whatever they were type phones. So I grabbed one of those, signal was intermittent. So so many of the reports I did that day cut out. But what I do remember very clearly is full-time reports of again BBC Radio Bristol just just like Five Live, Five O'clock you know sports report bang you know we'll do

an hour of all the roundup and reaction and analysis and I was thinking right voice piece I'm not going to be top because obviously a city in Rovers but we've got to make an impression here this might be the only chance you get to do it what can you think of. Yoval had won 1-0 and obviously because it was around Christmas time my top line in my voice piece at five o'clock was it's yo ho ho for Jovil as they beat Bishop Stortford by a goal to know which I was quite pleased with but what was very funny was I got a call the next day and got some brilliant feedback Will Schindler was the guy in charge at the time and really detailed feedback on yeah on you know what was good and what was bad.

And he got to that point, he went a bit like you did, John, he said, I went a bit cheesy for us, bit tabloid that Yo-Ho-Ho for Yoval, it stood out and I thought, oh, now I was crestfallen. I was absolutely delighted with Yo-Ho-Ho for Yoval. I quite like that. I quite like yo ho ho. It's piratical isn't it? Yo ho ho. Oh yeah. It is isn't it? Oh yeah. It's ho ho. I've never realised that. Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum. Yeah, of course it is. It's not even right. It's like Chris's. Still, it's good all these years later to set the record straight. Yeah. It's ho hoho-ho for Yo-Ville. Maybe I said that.

Maybe you did. I think I said yo-ho-ho. It's a better start with yo-ho-ho though, Ali. Yeah, thanks Chris. I actually can't remember my first one, you know. I remember my first commentary match. Key obvious gag from Mark Chapman there. Well, exactly.

Yeah, very true. That was careless of me. But I think the first match I reported on was probably a York City match, because like you, Chris, I started in commercial, independent local radio at TFM on Teesside, and we did actually cover York City back in the time.

I think that was where I was sent to do my first match, but I can't remember, I can't remember who they were playing but certainly my first commentary match was with Stoke City against Middlesbrough at the old Victoria ground which was which was not a particularly enjoyable memory finished nil nil was a terrible game. Good test though John, good test as a commentator. Good test and also I learned right from the start that you do need a good summarizer for a commentary and I had

David Mills at the time who I worked with lots and lots David in my early days who played for Middlesbrough Newcastle West Brom he was that he was the country's first half million pound footballer David and And he was a very very good summariser What's the line John you always use not always use but when you're doing a game with Chris Waddell? The stats about Chris Waddell and his signing, you often bill him as, go on. Yes, well, the other day I used this again because when it was the first leg

of Manchester City, Real Madrid, we had on the field Britain's first 100 million pound footballer. We had on the field Britain's current most expensive footballer, and on the field Britain's current most expensive footballer and sitting next to me I had someone who once was Britain's most expensive footballer but when he was Britain's most expensive footballer he was the third most expensive footballer in the world. So hang on Jack Grealish yes Chris

Waddell yes and you just about as Judeell, and... Jude Bellingham. You just have had us. Jude Bellingham. Yeah. Jude Bellingham. Very good. Like that. Chris, I've got a question for John, but before I ask it, I know John's going to be quite

envious because we were just mentioning there, your last five live commentary was Doncaster Neal Palace 2. Was Oliver Glasner in his jumper? Did you get to describe the jumper? Do you know what when I saw him he was already fully coated up so I didn't see the knitwear and we didn't go down to the tunnel afterwards to interview him so I didn't see the knitwear he may well have been wearing it but it was cold that night so no the only the only piece of clothing I saw Oliver Glazner in was his was

his long black coat. So sadly I didn't see any of his famous crew neck knitwear. Yeah, but whereas you see the following Saturday when I was commentating on them against Everton, it was exactly the same. So I hadn't seen him pre-match. I then saw him on the touch line with his black coat zipped up, but speculated that underneath that coat

he could be wearing the magnificent Alpine roll neck sweater. And so I said people can watch match of the day tonight to find out actually by then I'd been I'd actually been in his press conference and he was coming out just as I was walking in and sure enough it is it's a magnificent sweater that and in the build up to it Ali I just had a look I thought I wonder where he's from and he's actually from he was born in the build up to it, Ali, I just had a look at it, I wonder where he's from. And he's actually from he was born in the very north of Austria, you know, up in the Alps and it honestly doesn't it looks as though he's got someone back in his hometown to send him a batch of these things.

They are so it's the kind of sweaters I said in the commentary last weekend. It's the kind of sweater that you'd see in the commentary last weekend. It's the kind of sweater that you'd see on a man in the 1920s leaning on a ski poles with wooden skis. Isn't it? Yeah, you're right. I was going to say if he's going ice fishing, but you're right. It's got really thick rolling. I mean, looking at a picture of it right now, cable knit, this one's white and the neck of it goes right up almost over the chin and and up towards the mouth The thing is though. I mean, I know it is it's an early contender for jumper of the season Definitely definitely and I know I know we're sort of we're sort of joking about it Chris, but in terms of radio commentary

I think things like that are absolute gold for radio commentators because it's one of those things Which is different that you can describe yes have a bit radio commentators because it's one of those things which is different that you can describe, yes have a bit of fun with, but actually it's one of those things, it's a visual picture for the listener, isn't it, that puts you in the stadium with the commentator because so often what we see, a lot of it, is very similar. So to look out for distinctive things like that I think really helps. It's always something that you're told when you speak to your peers and I'm looking at two of them now and whenever I've asked for advice or spoken to, I know we're all familiar

with Rob Northman's work who does a lot of training with commentators and he's always big on colour, colour, colour. Whenever you've got the chance just paint the pictures and I suppose I've always looked out for that. And whenever I'm at a ground that I've not been to before, I'll try and notice things that may be a little bit different. And one of the games that I did recently was at Portman Road and this beautiful red moon appears over the,

over the stand. And it's things like that that you think, Oh, that's just, that's just golden. I'm going to use that. And it's little things like that, that, yeah, I think probably elevate what, what can be. And again again that game wasn't the best for 30 minutes and it's little bits of that that I think whenever you're listening to anyone at field and when it happens and it's someone at the top of their game, I think it's an absolute joy and a privilege to listen to. It reminds me of some correspondence you got maybe last week or the week before about someone questioning why do you

say they're going from left to right or right to left and in my mind it's, well you want more of that if anything, you don't want to take that sort of stuff away, you want to try and fill as much information with someone who can't see it as possible. And yeah, those little bits of color, I think, are great to use. I was actually listening to Chris that night, Ali, that you were at Portman Road describing the moon. And I just I think I was in the car or anywhere wherever I was. I'd seen this moon.

That's incredible. It's absolutely incredible. So when I got back, I looked it up to see what it was and then heard Chris mention it. And so I sent you a message. And the official term that I looked up was it was the moon was a waning gibbous. So I said that to you. Unfortunately, you saw the text. I did. So I was with Mark Shorter at the time. I remember seeing the text and saying, oh, one man who I knew would know. And then I read the message and it said, I've just looked it up. So I thought, well, okay, that sounds like he maybe didn't know. But one man who I knew would know. And then I read the message and it said, I've just looked it up.

So I thought, well, okay, that sounds like he maybe didn't know, but one man I knew would get in touch was John, who very kindly said it was Wainan Gibbous. And I think I made some quip about it sounding like a 1920s test match cricketer who'd opened the batting for England, of which Mark then didn't miss a beat and said, oh, no doubt being thrashed by Australia in the ashes. Yeah, it's moments like that, isn't it?

They just bring a bit of levity and bring it to life. Do you know what? That just leads me to another question that I hadn't planned to ask this week. But having your phone on, on the desk during a commentary, do you like that or do you not like that? Because people can get in touch with you and add something to your commentary. But obviously, it can be a big distraction as well. So you clearly, Chris, you do have your phone on the desk in front of you to commentate.

Yeah, I do. And I think that's only come from the fear of something going wrong. And therefore, if someone can get so, for instance, that game was on five sports extra. So you tend to be flying solo in terms of bringing your own kit. So you have very limited contact with anyone. So if something went wrong and actually funnily enough something did go wrong, so

10 minutes into the game I get a message from studio to say we were late joining you, can you just apologise and say what's gone wrong. So I've always, it's been force of habit I think to have my phone alongside just in case something goes wrong that I need to rectify. Well as you see I don't but I know you do Ali hence the reason I also sent you a message recently and you did get it but I always I do actually have turned over because Normally, they would be a producer with me. So I think if anyone needs to get into it still get into it with whoever that Hey, yeah The only other thing I would use it for now, certainly the last couple of seasons which we didn't have before, was this Premier League app where

all the substitutions pop up in the yellow. It's quite good for a check on that, but again you often have to sort of fiddle with the phone and open the right page and whatever and a producer can definitely help you with that. So John, you weren't to be denied, even though you didn't see the jumper, you did effectively guess, you speculated as to what might be under the code. One thing you've not been able to do, that Ian Dennis has been able to do, is commentate on a Marmouch goal, and Ian got a boatload at the weekend. He's got it himself, Mamouche with the lob! There's the first goal of many from Omar Mamouche! Ball played forward, there's another shot and another goal from Mamouche. I told you it would be the first of many.

Savino bursts into the penalty area, pulls it back, Mamouche is there! Omar Mamouche, magnificent Mamouche with a hat-trick! He went to town on Omar Mamouche, he predicted it John, it was going to come in. It is such a fun name isn't it to work with. Yes and so then with him fresh from his hat trick I thought well there must be every chance then if he's played himself into form that he'll have at least a few opportunities in the Bernabouw when he was in the starting line-up with Harland of course certainly on the substitutes bench he didn't even have a sniff. So I've now, he's played now for Manchester City six times

I've commentated on four of them and he's not scored yet and Ian's done one and he's got a hat trick. Chris do you have any favourite names either past past or present, that when you hit them as a commentator, they just, you can really go for it? I've always enjoyed the itches. I think if a cover chitch or an illich and I think that that I'm not sure what it is about it. And I remember very early covering a game for BBCWM and covering Warsaw and they had a play called Milan Lalkovich and I remember him scoring a few and getting into that bad habit actually of going Lalkovich and then doing it every time because I realized I quite enjoyed doing it and thinking I've got to stop that and

One name that I really enjoyed which took me by surprise because it was giving me nightmares Doing Georgia v. Turkey for five live at the Euros off tube which I know has been mentioned on the pod previously so doing it from the studio rather than at the ground and having nightmares about the pronunciations of Georgian players but then once I got my head around Kfarad Skiliya I really enjoyed saying Kfarad Skiliya there was something really quite musical about saying his name. Mbappe John is a very distinct, I mean he's obviously a very distinctive footballer but

he's also a very distinctive name that you can go at. You had a chance to do that three times in the week. A sentio with a ball over the top to Mbappe and Mbappe left it over to Edison who was in no man's land. It's angled back by Vinicius, Rodrigo, Mbappe, into the area, beats his man and scores! Superb! Now Mbappe, left foot, Mbappe! Bottom corner, 3-0 and it's a Killian, Mbappe, Champions League hat-trick! Yeah, very disappointing obviously for Manchester City, having been to the pre-match press conference on the eve of the game in the absolutely, I mean the Burn and hundreds and hundreds of millions of euros and looks it. I mean, it is the plushest, most impressive football stadium. They are arguably the biggest club in the world and it looks like that now. And there are so many more finishing touches that they've put to it. And yet they still haven't completely

finished it, but it's an amazing experience going there. And then when they turn it on like that, and it felt on the night, big disappointment for Manchester City. I mean, it does feel, I mean, City fans must have a really empty feeling now with their team out of Europe in February, you know, which has been unheard of, I think it's 12 years since Manchester City were not in the round of 16. But on the other side of that, to be there and witness, and actually, from our point of view, geekily,

to commentate on Kylian Mbappe's first hat trick in the Champions League for Real Madrid, and seeing a player of his quality and his standard in a Real Madrid shirt doing that is, you know, that's a really special night. The other thing, and I would always recommend our listeners to do this if they're big fans of radio commentary. So we were in a little text conversation, me, you and Conor McNamara before the game, John, knowing you were over there and about to do the commentary. And

both Conor and I immediately jumped in and said, well, we're going to sync it up tonight. We're going to put the TV pictures on. We're going to turn the sound and both Connor and I immediately jumped in and said well we're going to sync it up tonight we're going to put the TV pictures on we're going to turn the sound down and we're going to listen to you and Paul Robinson and I know we do get a bit of correspondence saying when you're not able to do that through the iPlayer or via the red button like we do it at major tournaments it's sometimes quite tricky to sync that up but honestly it worked perfectly for me on Wednesday night where my TV pictures get to kick off. So Real Madrid kick the game off, you hear the referee's whistle and the player kicks

the ball, I pause at that point. I'm then hoping John that you're going to describe the actual start of the game, you were rattling through the teams and I was thinking he's going to miss kick off here but you didn't, you paused, I heard the whistle, release pause on my telly and then you're in for the rest of the night. And honestly it's such a fabulous way, if you love the five live commentaries to get the best of both worlds the only thing you've been tied into is you can't go out and make a cup of tea or whatever to keep it synced you're then in you're in

for the entire two hours two and a half hours or whatever but I love doing it Chris do you do that? I do but I consistently forget that I've done it at half time and go on merrily kicking on to another channel to see what's going on Return and then think oh, I've got to go through Got to go through the pausing and what's harder at that? I think is when you're you don't think at the start you're trying to think about 20 minutes in so you're trying to find Okay What are the commentators talking about here?

The ball is on the left and you try you try do it. And I know my other half gets quite annoyed because sometimes I'm within one or two seconds, but because I think, no, I need it to be exact. I can't handle one being just in front of the other. So it can take quite a while. And then all the good work is undone at half time when we go and watch something else for maybe 10 minutes. We've got a pertinent email haven't we about Mbappe.

We do, Terry and Bromley. John would you like to read it or shall I? I can read it if you like. Terry says loving the pod a real highlight of the week. When a player scores a hat-trick he says it's commonly stated they will be taking home the match ball. It may have been correct previously but in these days of the multi-ball system it's no longer the case with many balls being used during the course of a game. Therefore it's unlikely the hat-trick scorer scored all three of their goals with the same ball. They could even be taking a ball home that none had been scored with at all. Surely a

more apt phrase would be that they're taking home a match ball. All eyes are drawn towards Kylian Mbappe on the night that he scored his first Champions League hat-trick for Real Madrid and he has got the match ball in his hands. There we are, as if to underline it. I'm happy with the match ball. I totally, I mean that is, it's a brilliant point from Terry. It's ever so slightly pedantic. I totally get it He is right there, you know factually he's right, but to me it's still we imagine Teams playing with one man the the match ball Chris. I'm happy with the match ball

I think it has to be the match ball. Do you know what it conjures memories of was it Mike Dean who hid the match ball? From was it Sergio Aguero? I think it might have been auero and he hides it behind his back doesn't he? And Aguero comes to get it from him. So he could have just picked up any of the balls that were lying around to be honest rather than that particular one. But yeah I think take the match ball I think is fine. We know what's being alluded to. Emails come in on tcv at bbc.co.uk but as we were discussing at the start of the podcast as well you can leave us a voice

note so you can get in touch on WhatsApp, get in touch with the Football Daily. The number is 08000 289 369. Another email from Sarah, which is on the sort of European Madrid theme. While I was at a match on Sunday morning, I thought of a question for you. I live in Madrid. I have a season ticket for a team in Segunda División RFEF, the fourth tier. I won't name them so as not to get them into trouble. Hmm, promising start to the email. They have a fairly lackadaisical approach to ball boys at the best of times. There may be none, there may be ten. Yesterday there were three. We broke the deadlock, breaking the deadlock. Now that has to be a glossary term.

After 87 minutes to go 1-0 up, a few minutes later, I noticed the ball boy near me had disappeared. I then realized all three of them had sat down on a bench near the dugout, so every time the ball went out of play, the opponents had to go and get it, wasting valuable time. A great piece of housery. And effective as well as we won 1-0 I'd like to know what you think is the greatest bit of housery that you've seen whilst commentating at a match thank you for the great podcast love listening from Sarah I mean housery is

another yes term that's coming to football relatively right I think we all know what we're talking about there don don't we? Yes, I've got a bit of unintended housery to tell you about from our trip to Madrid this week. So Paul Robinson was the summariser, Rob Northman was the producer on this trip and our engineer was the great Rob Dybul and when we got back the next morning, Rob said, I can't believe it, I've lost my phone and he's lost his work phone and Rob and Rob went everywhere went back to the stadium they went to where we'd had dinner the night before they got in touch with the number for the cab that we got back it went everywhere searched everywhere turned

everything upside down, no phone. So Rob, you know, Rob's discombobulated as you always are if that happens to you. You know, he's got in touch with all of the relevant people. You know, things have been canceled, this, that, the other. There's a new phone on order. When I got back in the UK last night with Paul Robinson, I switched my phone on and a message from

Phil McNulty, who was also with us, the BBC sport website, chief football writer, who says when he got home last night, he opened his bag and Rob's phone was in his bag. Phil had had it in his bag all the time. How we chuckled. Chris, in terms of football, Howsery, is there anything that springs to mind, games that you've been at? The one that I wasn't at the game, but the one I've seen and you see it quite often on social media is the the I don't think it's a game in England I think it's a broad a goalkeeper comes hering out of his penalty area heads the ball out for a throw the ball bounces off the hoarding straight to an opposition member who's about to take a quick throw with the

keeper out position and he grabs one of those replacement balls and lobs it onto the field so that there's two balls in play to stop the game, which is appalling behaviour. But that is classic, classic howsery. Have you seen anything like that, Chris? Nothing to that level. The period that springs to mind for me is I spent a couple of years working for Leicester City in their club commentary. And it was during the spell that they were Premier League champions and Champions League was very fortunate to be at right place, right time. And they had obviously the prolific Jamie Vardy, who was at the peak of his powers both in front of goal, but also from a winding up the opposition perspective. And I'm always reminded of a story that Richie de Latt tells, where he says Vardy would ask players that played for Leicester if they

were the same nationality of any of the centre-halves, what words can I learn that would rattle opposing centre-halves? And Vardy would ask, and he asked Riyad Mahrez, for instance, what can I use in French that would really wind up the opposition? And I saw this work spectacularly in Leicester's last 16 tie against Sevilla when Leicester were winning or maybe drawing and he is niggling Vardy at Samir Nasri who's another one who has a particularly short fuse. All game talking to him, kicking him and Nasri explodes with about 20 minutes to play. He just goes at Vardy and Vardy just, it wasn't quite the Ronaldo-Runi wink, but it was close. And Vardy just smiles at him, referee straight red card. And it remains to this day, the most explosive departure from a field I've

seen because normally red card and the player calms down and now just he's furious walking off and Vardy just smiles and not Leicester go on to win the game. So that's the one that springs to mind from probably the Housery chief in the Premier League over the last few years. And I think we've got that clip. Let's have a listen. Come on Leicester shout the fans of the King Par Stadium. What was there? Nasri was involved, the referee's seen it. What's going to happen here? It's embarrassing again. Well I tell you what. Nasri and Vardy are absolutely pathetic.

Nasri's going to be sent off. Nasri's sent off. I don't know who started it, we'll have to wait for the replay. Vardy comes in, it just gives Nasri a little nudge. Nasri then turns and says something to him, they square up to each other, they put heads together and Vardy falls over backwards. I mean it's pathetic from both of them to be honest. Vardy goes down like he's been hit by David A. That is awful.

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Brian in Banbridge Northern Ireland has sent us this. Hello everyone from the sunny County down. I'm really loving the pod. It's a great insight into the commentators life. And I have subscribed on BBC sounds so I don't miss an episode. As a lifelong Everton fan, I was wondering about our new stadium. And who decides where the press and the commentators positions are placed? Do the media have any input as to where the press and the commentators positions are placed. Do

the media have any input as to where you sit in the ground? Well Brian, you're in luck. It is time to go behind the scenes at Everton's new stadium at Brannley Moor Dock. It opened its doors for the first time in a test event this week and Julia Bold from BBC Radio Merseyside was there and joins us on the pod right now. Now Julia the last time I saw you was ahead of the FA Cup third round tie at Goodison Park. Sean Dice had just been sacked and we were talking about what a massively important season it was for Everton precisely because of this stadium move. Things have sort of eased on that front. David Moyes has come in and the form has really picked up but what what about, what about the new stadium?

How was it? Yeah, life moves fast, doesn't it, around Everton? Things happen very quickly. And yeah, the new stadium is absolutely incredible. So the first test event was this week, 10,000 fans allowed in. And it was really exciting because that was the first time any Everton fans had even got to go onto the site of it. Loads have been having a look for the last few years while it's been even got to go onto the site of it. Loads have been

having a look for the last few years while it's been a building site through all the fencing, but they've not even been allowed onto the outside concourse areas because it's been a building site. So it was the first time they could even go inside. And many of them were quite emotional, actually. I think a lot have got the six games left as we're speaking now at Goodison and the emotions are getting higher particularly after the Merseyside derby. I think that's when it hit that Goodison is going. But I think so many people felt it was still Everton this and they were quite relieved. There was a lot of relieved fans but it looks absolutely sensational. I mean to build a stadium on a dock, on the water

essentially, fill in a dock and build a stadium. That is quite some feat anyway and it looks beautiful as well. Brian's question in the in the voice note there Julie was about the commentators view. So on the commentators view podcast we should ask about the commentators view. Were you able to get up to that part of the ground to the sort of the ground, to the sort of the gantry and the press box and the commentary positions? No, you couldn't get up there this week because it was just the South stand was open. So that is the home end, which is it's like a blue wall. That's how it's being described. I don't

know if I should say this. I did have a little mooch though in places I shouldn't have been. I'm allowed to say that, am I? Well, you've said it now. So I did have a little look around, which is quite handy because I shouldn't have been. I'm allowed to say that, am I? Well, you've said it now. It's a bit late now. So I did have a little look around, which is quite handy because I didn't even know I was gonna be speaking to you. So yeah, it's in the West Stand, which is the water side. So that's where the media will be based. And there's two levels really for media.

There'll be a medium level and then a level at the top, which I'm told is where newspapers will go at the very top. So I think TV and radio is about halfway on the West stand. That's a revelation, Julia, because I'd heard it was the other way around, that the commentators were going to be right at the top, which was worrying me. But that, because I've seen the pictures and I know where you're talking about that level, which is right at the back of the lower level, isn't it? Yes. And I know where you're talking about that level, which is right at the back of the lower level, isn't it? I think, yeah.

That looks perfect. If that is where we are to commentate, that looks absolutely perfect. And I don't know about you, I am a bit of a stadium geek. I love the whole thing about stadiums and how they're designed and how they're built. And I mean, one of my favorite books, it's just sitting over here on my shelf,

Simon Inglis's Football Grounds of Britain is a brilliant book on football grounds and how they developed and their architecture, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So what I did is I suspect you will have done as well. From the very early days, I followed the Everton Stadium, had a social media site, didn't it? Which I followed and the videos have been brilliant

and the setting for that stage, I've driven past it quite a number of times when I've been over there for Everton or Liverpool just to see how the progress is going. But I think the setting for it looks brilliant. And Gary Flintoff, our own Gary Flintoff was there the other night as well as you know, Julia. It took some pictures

and I think it was a lovely night as well, wasn't it? The sun was setting, It looked so good. Oh, and it'll look amazing on TV as well. It'll be one of those grounds that people will go, wow, look at that. And yet I agree with you. I think it looks even better at night. I'm lucky that I live not too far away.

So I've been checking on it nonstop really over the years. It's been fantastic. And if you go on the other side of the River Mersey as well, you can see it there lit up and it looks like it's coming out of the water. You know, one of those snowy weekends recently, I was with Pat Nevin and we were covering a match at Liverpool on the Sunday, but it was that snowy weekend.

So we were advised by our bosses, both of us, to go and we stayed in Liverpool on a Saturday night. And I went and met Pat where he was go. And we stayed in Liverpool on a Saturday night. And I went and met Pat where he was staying. And he said, come up here. And he took me up to where he was staying on the top floor. And there was a night time view from high up of the stadium, which was lit up.

And Pat, having played for Everton, was actually incredibly proud of what this place looks like. The only thing I say about it is, having now seen the pictures that you were sending the other night, I think it looks better outside than it does inside. Do you know what I mean? Ah, I think some of that as well is that

that was some of the feedback people were saying. It feels Everton in that it's very close to the pitch and you'll know what I mean, Goodison, the seats are right on top of the pitch. And when you're commentating, you feel on top of the pitch and it feels very much that way. So it's quite clever. Cause I think sometimes newer stadiums lose that element

of being really close to the action. I think what was missing was the Everton branding almost, the crests and the EFCs and all that kind of stuff. That's cause that's going in now. That process takes quite a few months. So the keys were handed over from Lange & Roark, which was the construction firm back at the end of December, just before Christmas, when the freaking group took over.

They had a whirlwind 24 hours, took over the club, and the next day we handed the keys to a brand new stadium. It wasn't bad going. But now it's the fit out inside. So all the stuff that will make it feel like Everton's and make it feel like it belongs to Everton and now going in. So I'm told there will be crests outside because at the moment there aren't anything outside that makes it look like

it's evidence. So all that is in hand. So by the time it comes around to August, it will be branded Everton. Did you hear Arna Slot's reaction in his press conference the day after the test event? Just have a listen to this. I was at the new stadium last night as well. Who scored the first? Harrison Rimmer. Sorry? Liverpool fan. So Liverpool fan Harrison Rimmer scored the first goal at the new stadium. I don't know

if you saw Chris celebrated by holding up six fingers. I did see that. In reference to Liverpool's European titles. Bit of Housery. Oh no, that's top-less elite. That's world-class Housery, that, isn't it? Someone so young, lovely to see. Yeah.

Have you... Oh, whose dog is that? That's my dog. Sorry, I think the postman's just come... Well, hope it's not getting out the postman. Maybe she's having a say on the house or I don't know. Have you commentated a good ascent part Chris? Have you had a chance to do that before we don't have a chance to do it anymore? My very first five live commentary was at Everton, Everton Forest, for a game remembered for Forest's remarkable outburst after it about red cards and corruption,

etc. I was thinking, Julie, I saw your picture of where the press box is and it looks long. And I thought for authenticity, maybe they should have built it in the corner and put a pole just in front of everyone just to keep that Everton feel. It's a question that I think we all probably get asked. A lot of my mates ask about, oh, what's the best and what's the worst, et cetera. And I always enjoy going to Everton because of just how proper it feels.

But yeah, where you are in the press box, it's tight and we know it's a very privileged job that we do. But Everton is very, very tight. And if you're sitting in the wrong position you are blocked to whatever end for poles etc. So I'll miss the Goodison Park atmosphere. I'm not sure I'll miss the press box that much considering how good the new one looks. I was there the other night Julia for the Merseyside Derby with Tarkovsky's late gold etc. But that was the night we were doing commentary on Celtic so I was there on my

own reporting and saying that and I think that might was the night we were doing commentary on Celtic. So I was there on my own reporting and saying that. And I think that might be the last time I go there. It depends on what happens, but that night I had, cause it was packed out, of course, that night, cause it was such, it was the occasion that it was. And I was thinking, here we are, this could be the last time I come here. And I was thinking, I think I've got less space tonight

than I ever have had at Goodison. So I had every, you know, those tiny little desktops. So I had the big coobie, as we call it, that we broadcast from sitting on there. I had my like file and notes on the top of that next to that. I'm crammed into this tiny position and I thought how fitting, if this is the last time I'm here, how fitting that I've ended up here with less space than ever before. There's those little, you know, you'll all know the little table that comes out on a hinge and flaps down in front of you. And because there's just no space. I did a game last season with Alan Stubbs, former captain, and he's huge.

And I genuinely thought I was going to have to get the physio up to get him out of the seat because it was so tight in there. But there is a lot more room at the new stadium, whatever it will be called. I keep calling it Bramley Moor Dock, but yeah, whatever it's going to be called, it's a shame. It's a shame it's not going to be called Bramley Moor Dock Stadium. I think that's a great name for a stadium. But I know obviously there'll be commercial considerations to think about. And it's a bit like White Hart Lane. I think we should still call Tottenham's ground White Hart Lane. Julia, are you at Goodison Park on Saturday for Everton against Manchester United?

Yes, I am. Yeah, the resurgence has been quite something, hasn't it? Under David Moyes, because like I say, last time I saw you, Sean Dyer just left hours before an FA Cup third round tie. The turnaround has been remarkable. And I don't think anyone anticipated even maybe a few months ago that United would be beneath Everton in the table going into this one, so there's a lot in it already. I had a chat with him, Julia, at Selfhurst Park last Saturday night.

I thought it'd be a quick chat. He was standing there for it, you know, and honestly they'd just won again, of course, but he was absolutely cock-a-hoop. Yeah, I think he's just really relishing every single moment being back and being part of this historic season as well he's got to see Goodison out and I think to him that means a lot. Goodison is a special place to him and he's probably bought in recent times while there's not been a trophy at Everton he's the man that's bought some of the most you know incredible nights under the lights as well at Goodison. So I think it's quite fitting. It's funny how life turns out and you go around in a big circle. So yeah, I think he's enjoying

it and I think he wants to get well clear of that relegation zone. He's 13 points clear now, so he's done great. Just to see Goodison out and enjoy it and then move into that new stadium. Yes, and I can tell you certainly, he was not assuming that they were safe. That's definitely what I took from that conversation. Life going round in a big circle, Julie, I mean, she will be appearing on the commentators view again very soon, no doubt.

Enjoy Everton Manchester United and thank you very much for giving us that little insight into Bramley Moor Dock, because we're all looking forward to to work in their next season See you soon. See you soon John one of my most memorable commentary experiences was with you World Cup 2010 David Moyes is our summarizer We did Brazil against North Korea at Ellis Park in Johannesburg

I was just it just a remote a remarkable game I mean fixture line up for a star and obviously in terms of getting ready for North Korea to cover them as a team No information whatsoever. Really what's there before before the game? No, that was a challenge and The other two things I remember about that night. I think that was one of the coldest nights. I've ever commentated. Yes It was absolutely perishingly cold and I remember thinking this is not what I imagined commentating at the World Cup to be like. I didn't expect to be absolutely frozen to the bone. And the other thing was, do you remember when we were driving back, we were in like a minibus

and I think we were shot at. Do you remember that? We thought it was like an air gun pellet or something that hit the vehicle on the way back. It was an incredibly dramatic evening but also I think just sitting in that stadium it was very atmospheric but it wasn't modern super stadium it was very rough and ready wasn't it but it was it had a real rough and ready outside the ground I remember it was it was right talking about rough and, Chris are you aware that you've got to play a game of Clash of the Commentators? Yes, yeah this is the bit I was fearing but yes. I'm rightly so Chris. Well we're such seasoned professionals

at this game now I feel a bit out of my depth. If you'd heard all of them you'd know that we weren't that seasoned. So this is another exhibition, no Ian here this week, Chris is with us. So Chris you have a choice I'm told of who you'd like to take on today in Clash of the Commentators, so who do you fancy knocking off their perch? Well if we're going to knock anyone off their perch Ali I suspect that this is a bit of a free hit for me isn't it to possibly use a term that could end up in the glossary. So I'll choose you because you're very much leading the way, aren't you? Yeah, it says here, five from seven for me. That's remarkable, really. I'm very surprised

at that. John, three from six and Denno, root of languishing. I've also had an exhibition win. Oh, you've had an exhibition win. All right. Ian, two from seven. So, John, over to you. Well, I'm pleased you said that, Chris, because I've already been sent the questions. So. Okay, good, that's excellent. Good.

So, we are all set for Chris against Ali for this Clash of the Commentators brackets exhibition match. So after a dozen episodes, we had our first tiebreaker last week when Ali beat Ian on Merseyside Derby Red cards, which I thought was the hardest question we've had yet. I was very happy to be reading those questions as well.

So this is how it works. I'm gonna give you a category and you will have to give as many proper answers as you can within that 30 seconds. And again, last week I was very clear, wasn't I, Ali? And I said, I thought that was a hard topic last week. I think there are plenty of answers here

that you could have a go at. And I think the best approach here would be a bit scatter gun. So if that, I hope that helps. The ABB technique, yeah. So who's gonna go first? Well, let me offer that to Chris. The ABB technique. So who's going to go first? Well let me offer that to Chris. Chris is our guest. Would you like to go first or second?

Let's get it out of the way. I'll go first. Let's get it out of the way. I'll unplug. So Ali has unplugged, so we're just waiting for Ali to give us the thumbs up. There it is. Right, Chris. A Kilian Mbappe hat trick knocked Manchester City out of Europe this

week. That was his third hat trick in the UEFA Champions League. As I said at the time, his first for Real Madrid. I want you to name any other player to have scored a Champions League hat trick. And your time starts now. Oh, started well and now I've gone completely blank. Errrr... Totti, Iniesta, Javi, Villa... Errrr... who else is in that team? Pedro... Errrrr... Eto... Oh, that's good. You had a good late comeback there. Who did you say before Eto?

Pedro? Pedro! Gosh, like, you had that from nowhere! If he's on the list. I don't know if I can remember. Well, suddenly thought, well, Barcelona made sort of several Champions League finals for about four years. Pedro, I'm fascinated to see if he's actually on the list. Anyway, we'll check that in a moment or two. I've got the whole list here, which is very, very long.

Yeah, I'm sure it is. I don't think he is on the list. No, I'd be very surprised. No, he's not. He's not on the list, which is a good shout though, but unlucky. Right. Anyway, let's get Ali plugged in. So here he comes. OK. Yeah, I think you've got a bit of a challenge on your hands. Oh, you're joking.

Yeah, I do. I think I saw quite a lot of mirth there, which which suggested to me that it hadn't gone all that well, but it has. There's some interesting answers. But anyway, all right. So the question is, Achilleian Mbappe hat trick knocked Manchester City out of Europe this week. It was his third hat trick in the UEFA Champions League, obviously his first for Real Madrid. I want you to name any other player to have scored a Champions League hat

trick. And your time starts now. Harry Kane, Lionel Messi, Luis Suarez, Cristiano Ronaldo, Ruud van Nistelrooy, Andy Cole, Dwight York, Robert Lewandowski. Where else should we go with this Champions League hat-trick? Marco van Basten, Ruud Hullet, Sergio Aguero, why am I saying Edin Dzeko?

No, I didn't do enough for the English players there, did I? I think you've gone quite close. I think you did consider more English players than I did. I think that's going to be close, that. I wouldn't be surprised if there was another tiebreaker needed here. Really? Oh! The news is... The news is... What a dramatic finish. Chris Coles, 8. Alistair Bruce Ball, nine. Oh wow. Point win.

Ridiculous. I'm sure Chris came out with more names, but I think Ali obviously has got more correct answers. Yeah, I went for the panic scatter gun. I feel like I started quite well and then just fell down a whole midway through and then started, essentially a whole midway through and then started essentially, Ali started naming the Barcelona team from 2009, which included

probably the left back, right back center midfielder, very unlikely they'd scored a hat trick in the Champions League. You get stuck in a rut, don't you? Yeah. Well done. Well played. John, that list must be hundreds long. It's exhausting.

It is. I'm still scrolling down it now. Yeah. And actually the one right at the bottom. This one one you'll kick yourselves here. Oh my God. Have you actually seen it? No, no, no, no, no. Morgan Rodgers. Morgan Rodgers. Against Celtic. The game I was at less than three weeks ago. The last British player to score a Champions League hat-trick. So the answers that you got right were, Chris, you got Ronaldo, Messi, Lewandowski. You got the top three straight away,

the ones who scored the three most hat-tricks. So Ronaldo, Messi, Lewandowski, Raoul, Nzaghi, who's also in the top five, Rooney, Henry, and then you had a string of incorrect answers. All good, but none of them have scored hat tricks, including Pedro Ali. That's what we were laughing at. He went for Pedro, which I thought was a great stab. And then right at the end, just before the deadline, you got Eto.

So that was your brief. And Ali went, Kane, Messi, Cristiano Ronaldo, Van Nistelroy, Cole, not York, Levandowski, Van Basten, Aguero and the winner was Edin Dzeko. That is such a rogue shout at least. Wow. I immediately scrolled down to see if he was on the list because I don't remember I don't remember him getting that trick. No, I mean that's kind of wrong. Do you know who he got it for? He's got it for Roma. Roma? Yeah he's got it for Roma against who?

Partizan Belgrade. Oh that's a good guess. Is it going to be a kind of Dinamo Kiev or? Not quite that far, but you're heading in the right direction. It was against Victoria Plutson. Oh, please. Gekko, the only reason I said Gekko was because I was panicking, just thinking of English clubs. I'd said Aguero and I just thought of another city strike. That's a total and utter fluke and I apologize for it. No, no.

Good category, that. Good category. Brilliant category. Well done, No, no. Good category that. Good category. Brilliant. So well done Nathan for coming up with that. I think by the way, I'm just going to tease this right now, I think I've come up with a new quiz format which will work brilliantly on a Clash of the Commentators, Commentators View podcast. It's a commentators special, but I'm just going to leave it there because I think it probably needs some discussion with the production team and etc. etc. But I'm quite excited about it as an idea.

If ever there was a reason to listen to future podcasts, there it is. And also, if we're on Maps of Jack Talley, we've got another special guest coming on next week because Ian's away next week as well. And I think people will enjoy that special guest. I don't even know who that is. Well, there we are. You'll have to turn up. You'll have to turn up. Turn up, yeah. Can I mention this email as well?

Which I think is a really- Oh, you're gonna have to be quick, John. Oh, we haven't got time. Oh, we don't have time, John. We don't have time. We've run out of time. And I've got a really important question to ask you. Very quickly, we've got a trailer ahead

to the Five Live Commentaries this weekend. Friday, 7.45, so this podcast comes out Friday. So tonight, if you're listening to it on Friday Portugal against England in the Women's Nations League I'm on three o'clock duty on Saturday because Ian's not here so I'm doing Arsenal West Ham alongside Rob Green fastest goal service around Villa Chelsea we've got a half five on Saturday Newcastle Nottingham Forest Sunday two o'clock is a 5 live commentary and John, just one

answer on this, Manchester City Liverpool, you're alongside Dion Dublin, full commentary on the game at half 4. It's a fascinating game this one but considering what's happened this week and Liverpool have had the draw in the Merseyside Derby and Villa pushed them really close and they're just being stretched at the moment and playing a lot of games in a very short space of time and Manchester City having just gone out of the Champions League, I think it's mouthwatering on Sunday. Yes, I have to say I would make Liverpool quite strong favourites for this, which I'm

not sure you'd necessarily have said that ahead of this fixture for quite a long time. But I'm always a big believer in who's it most important for and very often the team that it's most important for does tend to win those matches. And what our listeners, I think, will be fascinated to hear because this is proper inside information is, I was due to be doing Aston Villa Chelsea as well this weekend, but I've been rested for that.

Because as people, anyone who's been listening recently will probably tell my voice, I've had a real sort of lingering chesty cough. So the powers that they have have rested me on Saturday to make sure that I'm going to be okay for Sunday. You're going with rested rather than dropped? It could be dropped. It could be dropped. Never. Rotated. Rotated. Chris, where are you this weekend for Five Live?

I'll be on the South Coast Saturday, Bournemouth against Wolves. Always enjoy a trip to Bournemouth, especially this season because they're going really well. But Wolves are slowly ticking back to gear under Vito Pereira, so I think that's going to be an interesting one. And let me say as well to podcast listeners,, of course podcasts are very good and all very well and all very entertaining but there's nothing like listening to live sport and live football on the radio, is there? There is not. BBC Sounds app, certainly if you're on the move this weekend you can get five live sports extra, everything on there. Before we say goodbye John, really quick question, I'm being hurried along here but this is important i played a game of trivial pursuit with

the family last night this came up in the entertainment category you're gonna love it which enigmatic singer entertainment question announced a series of live performances in two thousand and fourteen after an absence of thirty five years and i'm asking it for a reason you should get this which enigmatic singer announced a series of live performances in 2014 after an absence of 35 years.

35 years? Think back to recent episodes of this podcast and you will get this. And it made me laugh out loud when I read the answer last night. I don't know. You're good enough to tell me. Okay, so when you were sitting on the train with those lads, who did they think your celebrity crush was going to be?

Kate Bush. Kate Bush. Kate. That really tickled me. Really tickled me last night when that came up. So there you go. Right, that is it. Chris, thank you very much for your company on The Commentator's View. Absolute pleasure. It's been great fun. Well we look forward to listening to plenty more of you throughout the rest

of the season. We'll get you back on soon as well. We didn't get to do too much glossary this week but please keep those suggestions coming in. TCV at bbc.co.uk. We love the glossary suggestions. However Chris threw in a few so absolutely and I'll just mention because Rob Northman mentioned it on our Trix and the Dredd this week. Cut drift, which I thought was a great term for the classroom, particularly at this time of the season, cut a drift, very much comes into play. Definitely, bottom three in the Premier League in danger of being cut adrift. WhatsApp voice notes 08000 289 369 and the next episode of the Football Daily is going to be in focus with Mateusz Kounia, Wolves superstar

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