Football Daily - The Debrief: Aston Villa win the Europa League

Episode Date: May 20, 2026

Mark Chapman is joined by Ian Dennis in the stadium in Istanbul, along with Marc Albrighton and Ashley Young, as Aston Villa defeat Freiburg 3-0 to win the Europa League final - their first major European trophy since 1982. Unai Emery delivers another European masterclass to bring silverware back to Villa Park after 44 years.Plus, we bring you the latest on the Spygate scandal as Southampton’s appeal is rejected and they are officially expelled from the Championship play-off final.Timecodes: 02:44 - Villa players lift Unai Emery in air 05:51 - Reaction from Unai Emery 11:29 - Villa lift the Europa League 25:41 - Latest on Spygate

On the Football Daily podcast, The Debrief with Mark Chapman. Hello, welcome to the Football Daily Pod. Aston Villa have been crowned Europa League champions. They've beaten Fryeboat 3-0 in the final to win their first major European trophy since 1982. There is an awful lot of dancing going on from fans and players alike. Emmy Martinez was stood on one of the electronic advertising boards, hugging those Villa fans, a couple of them holding him up as,

well I mean these actually you'll have seen them on your monitor as well Ashley Young is with us Mark Albright and Ian Dennis these are these are great seats for players and fans alike here it's incredible it's absolutely incredible the scenes there now the way that the players are celebrating the fans and stuff it was just an incredible performance and you know they deserved it as soon as that first goal went in it was all villa they went and got the second goal and now you're seeing exactly the way that the players are now. Celebrating with the fans.

Everybody's dancing. Everybody's ecstatic. You know, for them fans waiting for so long to get more silverware. For it to happen in this way and the way that they've got about the job today, it's unbelievable. I'm just so, I'm so happy for the players, so happy for the start, so happy for the club. It happens rarely, doesn't it, Ashley, that you can, I'm guessing as a group of players, enjoy the last 20 minutes of the final because you are so comfortably ahead.

Yeah, of course. And, you know, it's like what I said. When they went and got that third goal, I think that was going to be one of the things that Unar said at half time. Listen, this next goal is going to be vitally important. We make sure that we go out there and we get it. And as soon as they got it, you know, you started seeing Pal Torres playing out from the back.

You know, he started looking more and more comfortable for Yuri Tileman. You know, every boy there would probably be disappointed with the chance that he tried to chip the keeper. He's inside netting. And a few of the boys who have had a few words to say to him. but, you know, it was just fantastic. When you're in a final, and you've got the 20 minutes to play of the game,

and it's just so easy, you know, you're just playing comfortable. Fryberg, you know, they were disappointed with the second goal of winning, and I think it just deflated them. They had nothing to come back from after that. And, you know, it was easy for Villa after that as well. I think at the moment, Ian Prundier is on Martinez's shoulders, isn't he, with a Argentina flag draped around the two? them. I think they're better that way around the

Martyr's trying to get on Bue Dia's shoulders. Yeah, they've just put him down. But then Unai Emery is now over there as well. He's celebrating. He's got his clenched fists with both hands held aloft. They're jumping up and down. And now they've lifted Uni Emory. Uni Emory, onto the

shoulders of the villa players. His Royal Highness, the Prince of Wales is watching on. But this is footballing royalty with Uni Emory. The King of the Europa League has just been held aloft. The first manager to win it with three different clubs. A fifth European title.

Now he's put back down on Terra firmer and he's being hugged by every one of his players. He has the process. He has the Nouse and Aston Villa have won it. Five Europa Leagues, six European finals, more than any other manager since 2010. He's delivered Villa's first trophy since the League Cup in 1996. and this is what we were sort of talking about earlier as well, Ashley.

You know, he's done it through coaching. And that may sound odd when you're talking about head coaches of football clubs, but so many of that team, that squad were there when he arrived. That's exactly that. Do you know, he's just a winner. He's just a born winner, and especially in this competition, he's shown it time and time and time again. Like you said, before the game started,

you know, put his name up there alongside Anceloia, alongside Marino. What he's done tonight is turned the club into one, getting them back into the Champions League, putting them back into Europe. Two, now, on a nightlight tonight, you know, I swear there must be about 20,000 Villa fans out there.

Yeah. The planes are going from Birmingham, going for all over England, going to be out there, to be part of what Una has just achieved with the players that, most of the players that were there when he first come in.

If you had said when we was in 16th position before he come in, they'd be winning the Europa League. Not one player would be saying that that was going to be true. But he's just got away and he's coached the players, like you say, in his style. And I think there are a lot of Villa fans when he first come in, there was a few groans and there was a few moans and players had to come out and say, just stick with us, just understand what it is we're doing. And you know what? He's implemented that onto the players non-stop and to be crowned champions tonight in the way that they did, and the way that they won this game is just befitting of Oonai in the way that he is.

Let me read you some of what the villa players have been saying to TNT on the pitch afterwards. Yuri Tileman's we put in a shift. We only had one day to practice on Monday. It went brilliantly tonight. It's been a season with a lot of ups and downs. We started so badly. But the way we turned things around was great.

Credit to the staff. Credit to the players. Credit to the fans. We heard them all game long. Morgan Rogers said, great moment for the first. fans, the club, it's history. The manager has been banging on to me to get easier goals in the

box. Happy I could get a toe on it. I tried to give my all and give my best and see what happens. And Ollie Watkins said to perform like that, we controlled the game, we punished them in the end. This is what you dream of. You have ups and downs and we pulled through in the end. We've got Champions League football

and the fans, well that's indescribable. Let's hear from Una Emery. The ambitious of the club as well is very important. and how we did the process and we are of course in this process makes sense everything we did and how we are achieving this trophy and how we are getting our development clearly in different process strongly and with this trophy we are sure we need as well and the club as well in a lot of things is trying to get better of course

My dream when I arrived here was play Europe, play for trophies, to dream trophies. This is the first one we're achieving. We played before two semifinals in Conference League and in the FAQ. We were close. And the experiences we are having, the experiences like today as well, is very important how we can as well get better. And of course, a lot of players with experience as well having trophies, someone not. or not, or myself, but the most important is how we are doing here.

And it makes sense with this club because after 1982, the club won Euro Cup Europe, was something they are missing it, the support and not for the champion league or for something, is for a trophy. And achieving this one is something that makes us so, so happy, so proud of of everything we are working, but we are not going to stop. It's interesting, isn't it, Mark, that a couple of the players there have mentioned the ups and downs of this season.

Yeah, I think because it took its toll so much at the start of the season, obviously, there's players that have been there for a while and they had the success of last season in terms of the Champions League nights that they were beating teams like Bayern unit, the beating teams like PSG, and then all of the other things,

all of a sudden you get into it and you can't win a game. And that's football sometimes that that does happen, but it still gets you in a low moment. And it's hard to get out of that. It's hard to flip your mentality. It's momentum is a massive thing in football in both senses, whether that's your low on momentum and it's got a downward spiral. And then you can have the same, the opposite way.

And they've experienced both of it. But it's not easy and these players have turned it around and credit to them the manager and the players because they could have folded during that that season when they were going through that bad spell. But they worked and they worked and they worked. We know we know how tough Unai Emory is on them in training in games and they're willing to learn. They're willing to put it right and this is their reward for it. There are a couple of things that I thought with the goals and then Morgan Rogers has kind of gone and disproved it a little bit actually with with the quote about Una Emery, wanting to get easier goals in the box.

Villa went through a face where it felt like every goal was being scored from outside the box. And Emory Bwadier was getting quite a few of those earlier in the season. So I know Telemans was just inside the box, but the quality of those two finishes felt very reminiscent of Villa earlier on in the season.

And there aren't quite a lot of managers don't like their players to shoot from outside the box, do they're because, you know, stats show they're less likely to go in. But Villa has scored quite a lot of spectacular goals this season. And then Morgan Rogers, who scored some of those. That goes and says, well, Una, Emery wants me to get easier ones.

Yeah, and I'm sure, you know, Uno, I would love him to get easy goals. But I'm sure he's not going to turn around to Satan when he's getting the goals from outside the box. Don't be shooting from there, is he? So, you know, it's one of them things that a manager will always want players to get tap-ins and whatnot. But like you say, a lot of Villas goals have come from outside the box. And I think that's just been worked on in training. And, you know, when you see the opportunities to shoot from outside the box and you've got the confidence and you know what you can do outside the box, then why not shoot? It's like Emmett D'Undez. He had half a yard.

You saw him look up and he's got one thought in his mind to, you know, to curl it in at the far post. And he was able to do that. To be honest, I think that Morgan Rogers is finished comes a lot from actually Ollie Watkins, his run. He takes the defender away from the near post because I think he thinks everybody, remember Benadier's going to cross it earlier. and then he makes a great run across from the back post to get across the front post and you know you're taught that as a kid and I'm sure he was delighted to see that one go in

and you know it's like what I said that I'm just delighted for every single one of them because they was all fantastic tonight. Just to bat that up. Astavilla has scored more goals from outside the penalty area than any of the Premier League side in all competitions this season since the Club World Cup.

They're getting ready to do the trophy presentation and Aster Villa players have formed a guard of honour for the Freiburg players to go through. And I'm sure you saw this Ian just then, but I thought it's very interesting. Una Emery just gave a sort of little pet talk to Emmy Buendia. Didn't he then? Just the two of them alone, just having a little chat. I'll be honest with you, I'm watching other things.

I didn't actually see that, Mark, but I don't doubt you for a moment. I was watching the Freiburg. What were you watching? I was watching the Freiburg players walk to the penalty area away towards our left. where the Ashton Villa players have formed a guard of honour. The referees are actually walking through that guard of honour at the moment, Francoislet Texier and the rest of the officials. And striding forward through the villa players is Unai Emory,

who's pushed and jostled, and still his black slick hair is unmoved as he turns to acknowledge the Aston Villa supporters. And then Yuri Telemans, who got the first goal for Aston Villa, leads the Villa players up that small step onto that black shiny plinth and the medals are being handed out

and a special moment to acknowledge that nine members of the squad of that European Cup winning side of 1982 are here watching on as the Freiburg players applaud the Aston Villa squad onto the plinth as they watch on and Villa

after 44 years just a matter of time before that silverware that it's just touched and rubbed by Buendia is going to be held aloft Yeah, this moment now for Villa is something that's been a long time coming. And it gets the guru off the back. And they can start looking forward now. They can start moving on and start building on this success to try and be a force.

Try and really, really be a powerful force in English football, in European football as well. This is a great platform. Emmy Martinez, a World Cup winner, has just kissed his Europa League winner's medal and John McGinn is the last to stride forward. It might weigh 15 kilos. It doesn't look like it weighs that. He said tonight would be the proudest moment as Astin Villa captained. And as the ticker tape machines blow that gold and silver dust into the Istanbul air on this incredible

night the Europa League trophy is held aloft and Aston Villa after their success in 1982 have more European glory. It's been quickly shared by the Aston Villa players Tyrone Mings, Morgan Rogers who's got the third goal and now they wait for the team photo behind the Europa League trophy yet another Europa League crown for Unai Emery and still the Freiburg players watch but it's all about Aston Villa. They are the Europa League winners. And for the first time since 72 and 73, English clubs have won the competition

in back-to-back finals. We are the champions. Aston Villa fans in Fine Voice. It couldn't have been a more perfect evening, Ashley. Could it, you know, three of their most impressive performers this season in Rogers and Buendia and Tealermans get the goals

and then a man who has become Mr Aston Villa lifts the trophy at the end of it in John McGinn. It couldn't have gone better for them tonight. No, that's exactly it

and you know I'm sitting now I'm so proud of for Guinea, for him picking up that trophy for what he's done for that club for what he gives to that club it's just phenomenal

day in day out he is literally Mr. Aston Villa and it's just so good to see him lift the trophy. But like I said, from the first whistle right until the end, every man there played their part. Everyone had a job to do and they done it. None other than Victor Lindelof, you know, I think a lot of people would be saying that,

you know, he only played 65 minutes, but what he gave to that team in that set of midfield role, and I've seen it in Victor as well. I knew he could play set up with field. And a lot of people would be like, what's your guy doing playing in the setting midfield? He is definitely one of them players that can play He knows how to play.

He was winning the ballback. He was passing forward. He was playing forward. It was just a good, wholesome team performance by every single person out there and every single one of them deserved the accolades

that they should be getting tonight. For what they've produced today, for everything they've done for that club tonight, you know, the celebration should be unbelievable tonight. Tell us what John McGeeves like, then. He is a crazy geyser.

He's a typical Scottish. He's a mad Scotsman. but he is when I say he's the first one in he's the last one out he's a typical true captain that you know for the time I joined the club to see him you know the way he goes about it the way he helps everyone else

he puts everyone before himself when he's on the training pitch he's one of the hardest working players out there and to see him lift this trophy tonight you know it's just a proud moment for me to see you know just to see him because of just what he gives to that club. Mark Albrighton, there are all sorts of lovely heartwarming stories here, aren't there?

Whether it is McGinn and everything that he's given to Villa and now he gets the reward, whether it is. I keep going back to Buendia now, who scored in the quarterfinals and the semifinals and the final of this year's Europa League for a player who has had some very tough, tough times through injuring. Yeah, you can look all over the pitch and there's players that have had disappointment that have bounced back and shown character. Look at Ezri Konzer at the back as well and he's, when Villa picked him up, there was no way on earth that he would have dreamt about this moment and being able to achieve this.

And it's a credit to him, the way that he's worked and followed what he's been told. but again, I know we've spoke about him so often, but this is the manager. This is how the manager has built these players up and got them ready for occasions like this and to be able to turn up. That's, it's not an easy thing to turn up as clear favourites in a final and go and put on the performance that they did.

And each one of them was just so professional throughout. And like you say, Emmie Buendere at the Highman at the Highman. heart of it again he was he was fantastic in the semi-final to get him here in the first place and then to come into the final and do what what he did is incredible and the players celebrating now deserve every little every every every broad it that they get in the in the coming days what what do you hope that winning this and being back in the champions league coupled with the reputation of eunai emery does for the club club going forward. A club remember who have found the transfer market in particular it feels

quite difficult to navigate because of whatever financial rules they're constrained by. I hope it allows them to build on this steadily. I don't think there's any need to try and make it happen faster and become a giant force so fast. I think the main thing. The main thing, the main thing, thing is keeping people at the club that are important to the club because Unai Emory is the main one if he stays at the club I'm just looking down at the pitch now and the amount of staff that are on the pitch the amount of staff that are involved in this and they're all Emory's people he was allowed to have free reign coming into this football club of people that he wanted to bring

in members of staff in departments that he wanted he was able to to do what what he wanted and He's done it. He was trusted to do it. And that trust has now paid off. So it's important that the structure of that stays. It's important that the structure is carried on through. And then you can build and build and build gradually as they have done in recent years.

Ashley, what next? I think it's going to be a lot of rest for these players. Just enjoy this moment. As footballers, you know, at times you don't get to enjoy these moments. but I think they'll celebrate definitely and enjoy this moment and then you know what it's like you come back preseason you start rebuilding and you know they want to build on what they've done this season not just winning this trophy tonight

but getting in the Champions League. They had a bliped, you know, first part of the season and they've turned that round in a way that, you know, no one's talking about it anymore. You know, they're talking about the success that they've produced tonight, the success that they've produced throughout the season and like I said at times they were, you know, they were third, they were second, they were looking to try and get, you know, top spot in the Premier League.

Will that be the next goal? You know, a man like Unae that I know that he is, he's going to be saying, you know, the next goal is now to finish higher in the league, possibly trying to push the top two. That's where I think he's going to be, his goals are at. And, you know, he's going to want a good campaign in the Champions League to get as far as possible, you know, they had a good campaign the last time they was in. in it, but, you know, I think it's now to go away and just keep building on what the success

of tonight has done. It's an interesting point, actually, with everything with Una Emery there, because we were having the discussion last night after Arsenal had won the title. A lot of Arsenal's rivals are not unstable, but they don't have the continuity that Arsenal I've got at the moment. You know, there's all sorts of drama going on at Liverpool. City looked like they're going to be looking for a new manager. United will be starting a new season with Michael Carrick as their permanent head coach.

Chelsea has started with a new head coach as well. Sometimes they're not clasped as part of the Big Six or whatever it may be. But actually, a Champions League club who are finished in the top four at the moment, who do have that stability, are Villa. So you could argue they're ahead of some of these other clubs as well, couldn't you? You know, I think it's one of the things. And I had the conversation with somebody the other day, and we're still talking about Tottenham being one of the top six.

Yet no one's really talking about Villa. And Villa have been in the Champions League. They're finishing the top four, top five, top six. But yet still, we don't talk about Villa being top six. And I don't know how, because of the size of the club as well. With this tonight as well, the way that they've gone about it, You know, I think they were written off, you know, for the first part of the season. And look at the way they've produced and finished the season.

Everybody's got to start talking about Villa being a top six club. And when you talk about stability, Villa have got the stability. Mark Albright just alluded to it there. Una's come in and he's got his people around him and he's turned to the club. The owners back him nonstop. And that's exactly what he wants to be, the driver of this ship. and that's exactly what he is. You know, he's the driving force in this.

And with the success that he's had, he's making everybody else buy into that. The owners buy into that. And they live literally off his every word. And so whatever he says now, after winning tonight, whatever he wants next season, I'm sure they're going to back him

and do whatever it takes for Aston Villa to be called not just a top six club, a top four club. We'll be interesting where people pitch Villa next season, Ian. Yeah, I would agree with everything that Ashley and Mark have been saying. I mean, the financial constraints

really have hampered them this season. And, you know, sometimes that it's very, very hard to then try and compete with clubs such as Manchester City who are able to bring in Semenio and Gahey in January. I mean, that was why Emmy Martinez, you know, there was a lot of questions

about his future last year, even at the start of this season, wasn't there? They've got something to build on now and they've got something to attract players as well, you know, that this is a side that can compete. can win trophies. They know that they're going to be in the Champions League again, which is so important for them if they are to progress.

To be in the Champions League year in, year out. But the other thing is, it's easy to forget that Villa, we're only in the Premier League seven years ago. So in some senses, they've come a long way in the short space of time that they're now able to challenge. But the longer that they are in the Champions League, it gives them a greater opportunity of matching that consistency to sustain such a challenge.

Also, we have a brilliant production team. They give me all sorts of fascinating stats and facts and figures that are real nuggets that take our coverage to the next level. Do you know, Ian, what the link is between all the teams that Una Emery has won the Europa League with? I do because O'I and our engineer told me weeks ago about this. I've also posted it on social media, but Severe, Villarreal and Ashton Villa

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Football Issues correspondent Dale Johnson. I'll start with you Dale. I mean they've been adamant this appeal. There is no coming back for Southampton. Yeah, this is it. There's no chance to go to the court of the arbitration for sport. This independent arbitration panel was the final chance they had to get it overturned. So the championship player final between Holt City and Millsborough will take place at 3.30 on Saturday. Southampton's statement is long. It's an extremely disappointing outcome, they say, for everybody connected with Southampton.

We know how painful this moment will be for our supporters, players, staff, commercial partners and the wider community. We apologise once again to everyone impacted by this. We acknowledge the seriousness of the matter, but the club has consistently believed the original sporting sanction was disproportionate, a view that has been widely shared by many in the football community over the last 24 hours.

They then talk about they will give ticket refunds to everybody who has bought tickets. And they end with Southampton has a proud history and strong foundations, but it's clear that trust now needs to be rebuilt. That work begins immediately. The club will reflect carefully on the events that have led to this point, learn from them, and take the... necessary steps to move forward responsibly. While tonight is a painful moment, this football club will respond with humility, accountability and determination to put things right. And I wonder

whether Adam, those final two paragraphs are perhaps the most important of the whole statement. I think they are the two most important paragraphs, Mark. Good evening to you again. I think the accountability is the biggest thing. The overwhelming reaction I've had from the Sanampton fan base since the appeal decision was made and published about an hour ago is now one of anger and wanting accountability and wanting the people involved in this spying scandal to be sacked and to leave the club because the only way I think I think and they think the club can restore its previous good reputation is if anybody involved in this whole malaise he's no longer linked to the football club.

So it's going to be a route, it needs to be a root and branch change at Southampton to even start shedding this bad image. Are we assuming they already know internally exactly who? Yeah, I am Mark, yeah, absolutely. I think there are people in the football operation. They've known for a while, probably ever since the charges were brought by the EFL,

and then the club started realizing that they had a serious problem. I think they would have got into that fairly quickly. And I think after that, they've been too slow to show the humility they talk about in that statement tonight. I think they should have held their hands up way quicker than they did. They should have found some accountability then. They should have fessed up.

I reckon the punishment would have been less. They could have avoided the last two weeks of drama. But, of course, if you hide behind lawyers and take advice to do that, whilst I understand trying to protect people who work for you, the bigger picture was missed. And the bigger picture was, how do we stop this football club being dragged through the mud like this

and having its reputation completely smashed by the stupidity of a few people? Dale, just back to the lawyer side of things, whilst this is the end of it from Southampton's point of view, do you sense this will be the end of it going forward? And the only reason I ask that is because Hulls owner has made certain comments about how it's not really fair on them because they were preparing for Southampton and now they get Middlesbrough. I saw a quote from Josh Windass, who's at Rexham, say, well, hang on a minute.

If Southampton got into the playoffs off the back of doing this, then really it was Rexham that missed out. Are there going to be a domino effect here or will the EFL be a, able to put a lid on it? Well, comments of the hull owner are quite interesting. Like you say, he said that they've really been impacted by the fact that they've been preparing for a match that's not going to take place. And he basically said that he's considering his legal options should they lose the final. He did accept that there's no way out of this mess than to Middlesbrough playing this game

on Saturday because it's just too close. But it did suggest that the options for legal action will stay open to them, which is, which means this story is not going to go away on that front. And like you say, there are other clubs that may feel that they've been impacted by the things that have been done. And the story is going to go away, not just in the legal front, but also with the Football Association, because that process will now begin now that the AFL one has ended. The FA can bring charges against individuals. And you would expect that when we get the written reasons tomorrow, which are going to be fascinating,

when we find out who exactly is implicated and what they've done, then the Football Association will get their wheels in motion, and we might likely see some disciplinary action there. The other thing that was being reported as well, Adam, and you look at this at first viewing and think, how could that happen? But then actually, more you think about it, you could see, well, actually, they may have a point,

which is the Southampton players thinking about action against their employers for missing out on what they might miss out on. What are you hearing on that? Well, to be honest, having spoken today to the well-known esteemed sports lawyer, Trevor Watkins, who used to be chairman of Bournemouth, AFC Bournemouth as well. Trevor's view, as a leading football lawyer, is that the players don't actually have any grounds to sue the club for loss of earnings. Yes, they can be disappointed. Yes, he said they could have a conversation with the club about any bonuses,

potentially they've missed out on and so on. But actually there is no grounds for them to sue, you know, based on the fact that they have their salary, they earn their money, they're all in the same situation. There is no guarantee they would have got Premier League wages. They could have lost the final, for example. So there is no actual grounds he feels for them to sue the football club. Of course, many of them may want to leave the football club, Mark,

and Southampton's financial state will be hugely dented by what has transpired tonight. So it's the start of their problems, not the end of it. Just very quickly and finally, I realise you haven't surveyed the whole of the Southampton fan base, but you talked about the anger towards the club here. If this, and I'm saying this is a big if, if this was to extend to the manager,

a manager who turned that club around, does that leave do you think for the fans that would leave a dilemma? No, I don't. I think most fans realize that players, managers, directors, owners come and go

but they and the club are always there and the overwhelming feeling I'm getting is that actually if the manager has to go the manager has to go and I think most of the fans

think like that mark they've gone beyond worrying about what's happened this season. Half of them were saying, to me they'd be embarrassed to go to Wembley after what's happened. So I think any sympathy with the manager or anyone in the football side of the operation has gone.

And not only Radio Sol and Sports editor, but you're a Villa fan. I mean, you've had the right 48 hours. I mean, thank goodness. It's got some light relief for a couple of hours tonight, Mark. It was great. It's been nice because my whole family of Villa fans were all from Birmingham, so it goes deep, it runs deep. so actually yes it's been

certainly a night of saints and sinners that's for sure oh very good Adam thank you talk to you soon Dale and Adam Blackmore Radio Solent Sports editor Dale Johnson BBC

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