Football Daily - The Debrief: Macclesfield to host Brentford & Liverpool put four past Barnsley

Episode Date: January 12, 2026

It’s a busy one on The Debrief as Mark Chapman is joined by Dion Dublin and Jobi McAnuff as they react to an action packed Monday night which includes news of the FA Cup fourth round draw, Xabi Alonso leaving Real Madrid and Liverpool beating Barnsley.They start at Macclesfield, after the news that they will host Premier League side Brentford, who are 5th in the table, in the fourth-round of the FA Cup - that’s one of six ties with a Premier League club going away to lower league opposition. Macclesfield defender Sam Heathcote joins the pod after he was back working as a PE Teacher on Monday and gives an insight into a crazy few days for the club. They also talk Michael Carrick who is set to take over at Manchester United until the end of the season.Also, Guillem Balague pops up after Xabi Alonso left his position as head coach of Real Madrid ‘by mutual consent’ after just eight months in charge, and Guillem tells the guys why Alvaro Arbeloa has been named as the new head coach.And if that wasn’t enough Mark gets all the reaction from Anfield, after Liverpool beat Barnsley 4-1 and they hear from both Arne Slot and Conor Hourihane, in a match that was filled with drama - including a possible penalty appeal and a Szoboszlai howler.Timecodes: 01:00 – Macclesfield reaction. 09:42 – Michael Carrick and Manchester United latest. 16:30 – Guillem Balague on Real Madrid and Xabi Alonso. 24:00 – Liverpool v Barnsley analysis. 28:37 – Arne Slot interview 30:51 – Conor Hourihane interview.

On the Football Daily podcast, The Debrief with Mark Chapman. We have a lot to get through. Javi Alonzo has left Rail Madrid. Michael Carrick is on the verge of taking over at Manchester United until the end of the season. We'll be at Amfield shortly as well after Liverpool beat Barnsley in the FA Cup third round. And Deon Dublin, Jobie McEnough and Aley Barber are with us. And we'll bring you the highlights of the fourth round draw, which includes McElwield at home to Brentford.

and their defender, Sam Heathcote, joins us now. Another Premier League side then, Sam. Perfect. Amazing, yeah. Couldn't be more happier to have two draws and get two Premier League sides. Just dreamland for lads like us who play non-league and against trying to test yourself

against some of the best players in the world and international footballers. It would be an amazing day for myself, my family and everyone related to that football club. Are you ready for the long throws? Oh, born-ready. That's our game in non-league, isn't it? Kick-in-head it.

Do you know, in all seriousness, Sam, when I was there on Saturday, and I thought your goalkeeper dealt with everything. And one of the things that did come to mind is probably because he is used to quite a lot of crosses and long throws and balls coming into the box in the National League North. Would that be fair? Yeah, absolutely fair. And, you know, he's a brilliant keeper and we're definitely lucky to have him. He takes the pressure of us a lot by coming and claiming stuff.

It helps us out if we don't have to do that job. and he's willing to get off his line, which he does, and just takes a sting out of games as well, doesn't it? So, yeah, lucky to have him behind us. Sam, I was just about to say, I'm surprised you're on the radio. You shouldn't be sober. Why are you here?

He's blooming should be sober. He's been teaching today. Yeah, it would have been slightly concerned. I was back in school this morning, and we've got a game tomorrow, so. Oh, well, done, mate. At some point. Cheers, pal.

What was it like since full time? I mean, what was the rest of Saturday afternoon and Saturday, I'd like for you all. It was unbelievable because my first thing where I ran over to the corner where I knew my family were, to see all them and how emotional they were, I was so overwhelmed with emotion myself and just had a little sit down in the stand for about five, ten minutes trying to soak everything in. I had my best friend with me, and he just said to me, what has just happened?

And I was like, mate, I don't know. Honestly, I don't know. And I was just trying to soak up every emotion and just enjoy every second of it because these things aren't supposed to happen, are they? And for somehow, some reason, it did happen on Saturday. So just try to soak up at every single feeling that I had and just enjoy it. So I'm just going back to the game because I've been involved on both sides. And when you're the underdog, there's obviously hope going into the game.

I wouldn't say, I know everyone says there's a belief, but realistically you don't probably feel at that level you're going to go and win the game. At what point did that hope turn to belief? I mean, because you were so good on the day. This wasn't a sort of smash-and-grab, you know, non-league team beating a, a Premier League team. You fully deserved it. But I just want to know

what point of the game did you start feeling actually we're going to pull this off. Yeah, I mean, after the first goal I am, I said to Louis Fenton the right back. As we were walking back, I said, mate, regardless of what happens now,

we've just scored against a Premier League team, we've celebrated, we've had that moment. And he went, I know, mate, mad that. And then when the second one went in, me and him just give each other this look as if to say like,

this might be on, you know, just with the way of the weights. I'd say after the second one, go off but we've really got something to hang on to it and to be honest apart from that i didn't even think about at the end i was so tired and mentally and physically exhausted just constantly kicking and heading balls away and then when that final whistle went just the relief the relief and everything that came with it it was yeah unbelievable feeling did you feel nerves when they pulled one back what was stoppage time like for you or are you in a position where you can't feel nerves

No, I don't think that you can do and I didn't feel nervous when they scored It was more just trying to focus on Get that ball as far away from our net as possible And there was no other thought in my mind We've got a group of lads in there That despite what's happening in the game They'll roll the sleeves up and they'll give it a good go

And that's what you're seeing for 96 minutes Whatever it was Just 11 lads having a right go And we've come off the right side of it So it's an amazing, amazing day And what was today like back at Stanford Park Primary? It was lovely went back in and all the kids were in the hall waiting for me

and all cheered and listen, probably half of them really understand what's happened and the younger half don't. I had some funny comments from the little ones. One of the first things I had this morning was a little boy come up to me and said, I made my dog wave at you on the telly and I was like, yeah, I'm absolutely right back into it.

There's no saying on my high horse anymore. We're back down to planet Earth, so. But now it was lovely seeing all of them and I got little cards and stuff, which was nice. Isn't that amazing, Sam? I mean, that, you know, the football side of it is brilliant and obviously, you know, for your career and testing yourself and this, that and the other from the football side of it,

just that sort of community side of it and the innocence of it for some of the kids, but the pride of it as well. A hundred percent, the innocence of it is so special in itself and the kids saying that they're proud of me and things like that and it's such a strange feeling, but they can take a message from that, that even if you're not supposed to do things, if you put your head down and you really, really try,

amazing things can happen. If I can give them a little bit of hope of something that they weren't sure they were quite going to do, then that means a lot. And I spend a lot of time with them kids in the school and to have some of them come up to me at very young ages and say, I'm proud of you and all that. It was a lovely day.

How difficult is it combining the football with the job? I mean, John, your manager's been on a couple of times on a Monday night club. and I think the last time we spoke to him, I think you were about to play Kings Lynn and maybe in a rearranged game because you'd gone to Kings Lynn and it had been called off when you got there.

Now, I mean, there's a whole other debate to be had about how Kings Lynn have ended up in the National League North. But that's, I mean, that is a hell of a journey when you have a job as well. I think you hear people at different levels complain about different things. And to be honest, at non-league level, I never hear any lads complain about anything.

you go and you travel on Tuesday nights. We've got Woking tomorrow night and you'll be back up for work on Wednesday and it's just the case of get on with it is what it is. I'm very fortunate that I have a head teacher at Stamper Park Primary School who's amazing and lets me work my training and my travel around that

and swap lessons around. So I'm very fortunate in that sense. But it works completely fine and I have full support of the school for the football and yeah, it works really well and it's two really nice jobs, two really nice environments to work in. So woking away in the FAA

trophy tomorrow. I mean, as a group, have you had a chance to prepare for that? Or has it all been too much of a whirlwind? Well, no, we only train on Tuesday and Thursday morning. So obviously, with us travelling to the game tomorrow afternoon, we're going to train in the morning. So it was just the game Saturday, have your weekend, and then we'll be on the coach ready to go. What are you shaking your head out, Joby? It's just what it's all about, isn't it, Chappas? It's just a beautiful, beautiful, simple game sometimes. Yeah, where else in the world? And again, that's why for me it wasn't just, you know, the victory, but it was the manner of the performance.

And to think that a team, you know, that has got players that have got other jobs and only train a couple of nights a week can go and totally outplay. A Premier League team is just absolutely incredible. That is why it is the best competition in the world. And, you know, for me, I'm a huge fan. I grew up with the FA Cup watching it, you know, and I just feel that, you know, these are the stories that we need, you know, to keep it as relevant as it should be because it's brilliant.

The other thing, probably, Sam, for you as well. I mean, you come from a family steeped in non-league football, don't you? So you know the importance of it to communities. Yeah, I mean, I grew up with it with my dad, and I don't know if you know, but Saturday was the 45th anniversary of when my dad scored for Ultringham against Liverpool in the FA Cup. And after we won the second round, he reminded me that I still needed to make the third round four more times to catch him off.

So then I asked him after the game the other day, I said, Oh, have you reached the fourth hour? I'll know. So I got my own back on that one. Yeah, the football club, especially, McElfield, it is probably the biggest community run club you'll ever see. It's full of amazing people. They've got teams from the children all the way up to the first team. And it's all like one, and that's a special thing about non-league.

You'll have the players interacting with the fans after the game. And it's all one club. and that's why it's amazing that we've got another home draw that that club means so much to a lot of good people and they can all be there and be together and again have that moment that we probably didn't think we'd have the chance of repeating. Well, I'm sure it will be on telly again

so that little kid's dog will be waving at you for a second time when we get to the middle of February. Cheers, Sam. Cheers, guys. Go well, thank you. Sam Heathcote with us on Five Life Sport. I can't fail to put a smile on your face, Dion, can it? No, I think Joey can't have summed it up.

But it's just, that's football for me. I mean, how grounded is he, by the way? He's such a chilled out man that's just achieved something incredible, goes back into work and just cracks on. I just think it's great. Judging by the way he is, if his teammates are the same and they've approached the game with such humble hearts and big hearts and they deserve to go through.

We'll get up around Madrid in a little while. Javier Lontzo has gone this afternoon, so we'll talk about that. First though, Michael Carrick set to be the caretaker head coach of Manchester United until the end of the season. No decision has actually been made yet. We're expecting it in the next 24, 48 hours. From your time watching Middlesbroughby in the championship,

what will a Michael Carrick team look like? One that is very, very controlled with possession, really want to dominate the ball. I think that's one clear identity. That's one thing I will say about him as a coach. if you watched the Middlesbrose side under him, you knew exactly what they were going to look like. So again, I think that's something that he will try

and obviously transfer over to United, preferably for him, probably a 4-2-3-1 or a variation of a 4-3-3, which I think from United's perspective have got definitely the players to play that. I think from an attacking point of view, really, really good football. Again, I think he really will get that forward unit going.

I think as an attacking player, they reveled under him on numerous occasions and numerous players that did really, well. I think what handicapped him at times was having to sell their top players, but that was largely due to how well they did in that attacking sense. And obviously in midfield, which has been a big problem for Manchester United, he obviously got some real, real good players there going. Hayden Hattney is a young up-and-coming, fantastic football. Anyone who doesn't watch a lot of VFL, he will be a Premier League player very, very soon. And obviously, Michael Carrick had a big part in his rise,

really. So I think they will see a team that has a clear style, clear identity, um, of and one that likes to play attacking and possession-based football. He's got his work cut out, though, Dion, hasn't he? Given how flat everything he's going to be when he arrives, and how basically they haven't, apart for it, trying to qualify for a European spot, they haven't got anything else to play for. I think, I know, the hard work is getting the boys to believe that they can again,

to be honest with you. I think Job is spot, and I think there's... It's got to be more than believe, hasn't it, Dion? Some of them have got to put some effort in. No, no, no. What I'm trying to say, Chappers, is they've got to believe that if they do put the effort in, it can work at the moment. They don't even believe that it can work. They're not putting the effort in.

Well, I say that. I hope they're putting the effort in, but it doesn't look like they are because I hate questioning footballers' effort because that's all you should do as a basic. However, when you watch United, you think, hold in a minute, why don't you close that down? Why don't you close him down? Why don't you play that pass? Why can't you play that pass? And it's only the Man United players that are making punters think like that because they're getting it wrong so often. It shouldn't be that hard for them United to get results with the quality they have. The last time they did this

because they've done this before where they've got a caretaker until the end of the season I mean, I was going to say it fizzled out but it didn't really. The mood around the place just got worse and worse and worse under Ralph Ragnick. Why would it be

any different? Because this squad and some of the squad is exactly the same from two or three years ago you know, we'll know that Michael Carrick isn't going to be there after the summer. You know what, chappas, and Jopby will tell you this as well. Sometimes, you know, the manager can't change things, won't be able to change things.

Sometimes you need to hear it from your teammates who look you in your eye and they say, hold it a minute, why didn't you close him down? Why didn't you mark him? Point some fingers at your teammate to get the best out of your teammate. Sometimes it comes from within, not staff. I cannot believe we're at a stage again when we're seeing Manchester United go for an interim. whoever that interim is.

I mean, it is just rinse and repeat. And for me, they're going to end up with the same results. And listen, we're talking about completely different levels. I went in as an interim sort of February till the end of the season. And you might get a bit of a bounce to start with if they want to buy into how Michael wants to play. But then there's so much uncertainty. It's almost like a void what is going to happen next. And that's the last thing for me you can give a group of players that is massively underperforming,

which is what Manchester United has been doing. For me, this is however long it takes, you get a permanent manager in. now. You use this season, of course they've got ambitions and the goal is to get into the Champions League. I'm very, very sure whether they are good enough to do that, I'm not quite sure. But then you almost use this season for a new manager to get in, find out those players if it is a case of maybe some that are not pulling their way or some that are just not good enough to play the way that the new manager wants. And then you crack on from next season, you give them a preseason. I just feel you're almost kicking the can down the road time and

time again. And Manchester Night is just too big a football club to be doing that in my opinion. And the final thing there, Deion, going back to your point, when did they last look like a squad of players who point the finger at each other and demand responsibility from each other? I think Brian Robson was the last person to do that, to be honest with you. But chappas, you know what I mean? Well, I mean, when did they? I mean, it's all very well everybody hammering managers all the time. Correct, I agree. I agree with you, Chappellee, 100%. And you know what, we're talking about Man United.

Yes, of course, they have to do it. there's a lot of teams out there that don't do it anymore. Is it a dying art? And Jobie's been on the training pitch as a coach. Is it a dying art that, you know, you don't want to upset your mate because, you know, I don't want to make him cry. What's going on? This is your job.

There's definitely a lack of what I would call real leaders in dressing rooms. And listen, leadership almost itself has evolved and change. You don't get as much of the barking. And those days are gone beyond. No, but having said that, Joby. and I go back to say, you know, I'm not trying to say McElwfield's midfield is better than the United, but McElwold had a leader in Paul Dawson,

who didn't have to shout at people, but he carried himself as a leader. You could see a leader in it. Yeah, but that comes down to recruitment as well, Chab. I'm not saying there isn't any leaders out there, of course there is, but then how much input as a manager got over signings these days? And people look at data and stats and analysis. What you cannot see with that is,

are you the type that when things are going against you, you're going to get people going, you're going to run that little bit of harder or demand that from the person next to you. And I think we just live in a world now where all this data and it might look good on a piece of paper, but clearly it's not working out on the pitch is where you really need it.

I agree, Jobian, sometimes, you know, and I hate to go back, because this is all I know, which is all I know is Sir Alex. He would buy the person, he would buy the personality. He would buy that first, knowing full well there's a player there, of course,

but he would bring people, people in that would do the basics, which is blood, sweat and tears, and then I know I bought the talent as well. So you have to buy the player that's going to fit in. Exactly what you've said there, Joby. I totally agree with you 100%. Let's go from one soap opera to another, shall we? Javier Alonzo has left his position as head coach of Real Madrid by mutual consent. After just eight months in charge, Arvara Arbaloa has been named as the new head coach. Guillaume from Euroleagues joins us now. Just on the second point. there with Arbeloa before we come on to Chavez-Alonza.

Is he the permanent head coach, or is he a club legend in interim charge until the summer? He'd been in charge of the team until the end of this season. Right. That's it. Arbelloa was up till now the first youth manager, then the Real Madrid B, Castilla, manager was doing okay, but he was always told, I reckon since October, just be ready in case you get the call and he got the call today. Well, that does show some forward planning, I suppose.

Yeah, I think the sacking, because it's not by mutual consent. It's definitely sacking, yeah? It's a sacking. The sacking started being planned, organized, prepared in October after the defeat against Aletico Madrid. But perhaps the foundations of Chaville Lonser were very strong for minute one. do you know when you arrive to your club you are at your strongest

when you first arrived in your first decisions and he goes and says no no sorry I'm not going to be in the Club World Cup what did he do he went to the club World Cup as a manager of Ramadre because they didn't give him an option

so from then on his authority was challenged and I think everybody felt the players are the first ones to fill this they've got such a sharpness in their mind and their ears they realized that he had no authority because Florentino Perre, the chairman,

didn't really trust what he was bringing. He was suggested to him in the same way that in the past Lopetegi or Rafa Venetit was suggested to him and he went like, yeah, okay, this could be, you know, the push of Real Madrid towards a modern football. But he didn't have the strength to do it, the power to do it, the authority to do it.

Is this sort of final proof, and you mentioned a couple of others there, but is this final proof that you can't coach Real Madrid? You can manage. Rail Madrid, but you can't coach Rail Madrid. You cannot coach Real Madrid and the Florentino Perez 100%. And if you

remember, Fronino Perez, when he started the Galactico era, he left because he felt that he had spoiled the players. Because his idea was to look after the players and a manager, anybody could do that job. He went because he went too far. But he's just done

exactly the same thing. There is no space for the manager. And there is some pictures from the Super Cup. I don't know if you've seen it, where having got the medal, Rehamedy players, you're supposed to wait and give the guard of honor to Barcelona. And Bapé starts with his arm going like,

no, no, no, let's go into the changing room. Shabby kind of turned round and with his arm, we're saying, no, no, stay, stay. And he went like, Kili and went like, no, we're going in. So Shabby turned and went away. He didn't want to. So this was in front of our eyes,

a picture of a manager that has got no control. all over the team and the team is run by the players. So at that point, I'm thinking, I think he just said I had enough. And then I rang the right people. He was no, no, he did not expect this to happen. I'd have us for this afternoon. The board met just before that. They told Shabby, we're meeting with one only theme on the table, which is us hacking.

So you'll hear from us. And then soon enough, they did tell him and his agent and everything's been agreed. It may be impossible to tell this. But that scenario that you have just described at the end of the Super Cup, which was basically Killian Mbapé doing what he wanted and getting the rest of the squad to follow, would that have happened under Ancelotty or Zedan? It would have been a different kind of agreement

by which there is such a leeway for players and the either of them, and they could do on the pitch more or less what they wanted. And that quite agreement, if you like, between managers and players worked. So no, perhaps it wouldn't have. So it was another challenge in the same way that Vincius, when he was replaced at the classical in the minute of 70 something. He started up and put it up and down his arms in front of everybody. He was so unhappy. And they apologized a couple of days later, not the next day, but forgot to

mention the manager. Apologized to everybody, apart from the manager. And of course, his negotiations about his future stopped at that point to see what happened with Chavi Alonso. But honestly, he did not expect this to happen. But at the same time, let me tell you that the word that he feels right now has been used to me as relief. So, I mean, there are two things, aren't there? First of all, there's what's next for him. And secondly, where do Real Madrid go then in the summer, bearing in mind what we've just talked about as the kind of person that they need? Xavier Alonso next nobody knows if he's going to go like

you know what I think I need a rest this has been tough for me but he knows that big clubs in Europe that may need a manager next season will call him and will say you are our man straight away big big clubs in Europe

some have got managers that will continue others are thinking of getting rid of the managers but the message that he has arrived to him is that yeah Chavez-Lonso definitely yes he's a top manager and in terms of Real Madrid, yeah. How about Zined in Zidan? If he doesn't go with France,

that is the profile. That is the kind of manager that they want. But I think he's dreaming of the Champs is living, isn't he? Dreaming to lead France, in which case they're going to have to look for another Angcelotti, another Zedan,

and there are many around. Florentino Perrin had this thing in his head about Yogan Klopp. Don't ask me why, because it's nothing to do with either of them, but he liked the idea. of having him around. But he wouldn't tolerate

what we're talking about, would he? Not just that. He's retired from club management. That's quite clear. But it's not easy. It's not easy. And there's going to be a lot of people putting their name forward.

But don't be surprised he ends up being, I don't know, Santis Solari, who was there before, who was a club man and still there. Or somebody like that. We'll see.

Thank you, Guillem. Guillaume. With us from EuroLeague, Javier Lonzo, leaving Real Madrid, Alvara Arbaloa in charge until the summer. And then who knows what will happen. Hello, this is Matt Chawley's urgent questions. Your daily dose of political mayhem from the heart of Westminster.

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Listen on BBC Sounds. On the Football Daily podcast, The Debrief with Mark Chapman. So Liverpool will face Brighton in the fourth round of the FA Cup after they beat League 1 Barnesley 4-1 at Amfield. I think the Cusina the 4th was a little bit harsh on them, Dion, don't you? Yeah, I do actually, yeah. You know, three sounds about right, but four, yeah,

it sounds like they've been absolutely flashed and they haven't. You know what, it's really odd that they'll come off the pitch they'll feel to themselves, you know, we did okay here, we did okay, even though they conceded the goals. The attitude and the application to the game was great. And yeah, they unfortunately conceded the fourth. Liverpool had so much possession. They were always going to create chances and score.

I think it was just the pace of the passing chappers in the last 15 minutes, just they couldn't take it any more bars. They were shattered, did all they could. They hung on for as long as they could as well. But proud, very proud of them, well done. Although what I would say, Joby McEnough with us as well, that they did have more than the odd chance, didn't they? I mean, if you think right in that first minute,

with Davis Keeler done hitting the post, they obviously scored the goal through Sir Boslai's mistake, but Yergan Aethan was a couple of studs away from getting on the end of the cross. Race, clearly, he might feel he ought to have had a penalty. I mean, I've seen that several times. I'm still not 100% sure myself which way I would give that, really. Yeah, I think 4-1's really harsh on Barnsley. I don't think they were certainly not as bad as that from a performance point.

I don't think Liverpool was good as 4-1. I just thought it's sometimes what you come up against is that real top-level quality. So Bozlai's goal, Fringpong's goal, absolutely excellent. And you're bringing on two absolute top-top players, Zekite, and Vert, who when you are a little bit legy and you've done as much running as they have done without the ball. But in terms of their own moments, I thought they were disciplined, I thought they were really well organised, made it difficult for Liverpool to break them down for the most part. And then, you know, they did have enough opportunities to just keep that hope going for long periods of the game.

I'm with you with the penalty. It's a really tough one. I mean, Cleary does everything he should do, cuts across So Bosley. I think there's a potential little Nick. Is it enough to make him go down? I'm not 100% sure, but definitely worth a claim. I thought he was excellent, actually, Reyes Cleary tonight, a real positive outlet on that left-hand side. and that's what you want. You want to come out of the games. You know it's going to be tough to get a result,

but you want to get some positivity and be able to take things forward. And I think Barnsley, despite the end results, certainly have done that. I think, Deon, Connor, Horan may have said to the referee at the end that he probably did think it was a penalty, but then he would. He would, was it?

The best way to describe it, I don't know what you all think is, but it's one of those penalties that if you aren't a Liverpool fan, you are desperate, desperate for it to be given, just to see then, how it goes from there. But really, in the cold light of day,

you can understand why a referee wouldn't give it if he isn't 100% sure. Absolutely. I think, you know, we've looked at it now a couple of times on the monitors and we can't tell if Sir Boslai got anything on it. The referee's further away than a monitor. So yeah, I think he did well not to jump in

and give it because he wasn't sure. I do know now why people put their hand in front of their mouth when they're talking, having seen Connor Hurahan on my side. screen. He didn't do anything. He didn't do it in a he just did it in a sort of

resigned way I think. Yeah, it was an angry way with himself. That's all it was. Yeah, yeah. But, you know, Amber Goldrick had a head and late on as well, didn't he, Joby, that went over the bar as well.

Yeah, and I think that's the thing. When you go into, you know, somewhere like Amfield and, you know, you're a League One club that we have to remember hasn't been in great for me either. You have to take those little half chances that come along, Keeler Dunn's one, maybe in the first.

half and like you say some of those moments and get those decisions as well. You know, if you do want to perform what would have been an incredible surprise and shock result, you've got to be on the right side of those decisions and moments in games. And unfortunately for Barnsley,

they just weren't quite tonight. A Leana Slott's thoughts will be interesting post-mage, won't they? Because whilst he didn't cut a frustrated figure, he obviously wasn't, or he didn't seem content with it all. No, and we hear the frustrations from the Anfield crowd. They want to see Liverpool. who cut teams open and they want to see clean sheets and they didn't really get either of that tonight against League One opposition.

The only time they cut Barnsley open was for that third goal when Ekateke flicked it round behind him into the path of verse. That's the kind of football that this Anfield crowd want to see week in, week out and time and time again, particularly they will feel against opposition like Jobbys says, League one opposition that aren't doing particularly well in their own league at the moment. So the scoreline, it does put a gloss on what perhaps wasn't as free-flowing a performance as the scoreline suggests. Let's hear from Arna Slot. But not for the first time this season. When we are 2-0-up, we give a goal away easily, but as easily as this one, I've not seen before this season, let alone.

I don't think I ever saw a goal being given away that easily as we did. And that made it a game again. And, yeah, of course, we were having a lot of ball possession as we always have in this season and also last season, but mainly this season in our home games. But, yeah, the fans mainly see the same. The team in red, that's dominating ball possession,

but the team in red not able to generate chance after chance after chance. I can sense your frustration, Anna. Have you spoken to Dominique about that goal that went in? I think you're correct when you say you sense frustration, but that has definitely not only to do with the goal we conceded. That is not the only thing what I'm frustrated about tonight, but of course I will talk to Dominic how we conceded that goal,

but he will probably be the first to say that it wasn't so smart or stupid, how they're going to call it. but okay Connor Hauerhan the Barnesley manager went as far as saying it was disrespectful to be doing that against his team would you agree with that assessment he can choose his own words

I think we showed a lot of respect towards the FAC and towards Barnsley by the team we played in the team that was on the pitch in the end so but but yeah we're living in a free world everybody can use his own words and if he wants to say this

yeah he can I wouldn't go so far but yeah it's up to win and inside 30 seconds when the ball hit the post what were you thinking in that moment what was I thinking in that moment how is it possible that after 30 seconds they can

cross a wall in your box without us preventing that and how can someone then be as free in the box to head it towards our goal that was my thought at that moment and here's the baron reaction from their manager, Conah Hurraham.

I thought we were outstanding. The lads that done themselves, me, the club's so so proud, stuck to the game plan, knew that we'd be, you know, suffering at times and play long spells without the ball. And, yeah, to stick in it till the very, very end, was really, really impressive from the boys. I knew they had a big performance in them.

They were bringing on, you know, superstar after superstar towards the end of the game to kind of, you know, make sure they got over the line, and that's credit to our lads. Big moment in the game at 2-1. A penalty appeal? What was your view on it? one of them that probably can go for you. At the time, I thought, Nailed on Penn.

Looking back at it, I thought it was probably a 50-51 where he probably got a touch on the ball, but he was panicking and started pulling our lad's shirt. So, yeah, they could easily be given for sure. And when that goal went in for Adam Phillips in front of the Cup, you would have been really sensing that you could find your way back into the game? It was obviously a nicer score. Brilliant for Philo.

He's a Liverpool fan and scoring it at the cop end and he come up through the Academy and all that kind of stuff. So, yeah, look, fully deserve got into game. game I think I felt and stuck with it till the very very end had opportunities to make a two-two with that penalty and whatnot and on a transition and obviously looked towards the end and then we tired a little and then they showed a little bit of quality to kind of pull away but yeah so so proud quite bizarre how that goal came about with Dominic Soberzai playing playing around with the ball in the penalty area what was your take on that yeah I felt like I've just mentioned in a couple of interviews

I thought it was a little bit of a lack of respect I got to be honest I don't think he does that in a top game Chelsea at man city Arsenal champs league game I don't think he does that so I think I felt I was a little bit annoyed with it, if I got to be honest. Did you manage to speak to Dominic after the game? No, no, not at all. There's no need to have a word of them or whatever, but yeah, it's just something that I felt towards the goal. You played here in your playing career. What was it like being on the touchline alongside Honest Lott?

Yeah, it was amazing, amazing. You know, a hugely ambitious, you know, a head coach that wants to have a, you know, a good career in the game. And it only kind of lights to fire even more to try and get to these levels. And then what can you take from today's game into the League one season? where there's pressure near the relegation place. Yeah, look, we can take so much from it. We can show that we can mix a match against anyone. We won't come up against that quality in the league very, very often, that's for sure.

And I think we need to use this as a big confidence booster heading into the games coming up. I think it's credit to Barnsley that it was only a few little bits and bobs that Liverpool got away with when it comes to flare football and flicks because Barnsley really made it difficult and forced Liverpool around the outside of that compact white. bunch of shirts. I think they they did well and they did limit Liverpool

to not very many clear-cut chances. Dominic de Bozlai who scored a sublime goal and a sublime, did he miss hit that? Did he miss hit that? I think he missed it. You never had miss hit one like that. I could tell you that.

No, exactly. You were more likely to do the one in the other end and try and back heal it in front of your own goalkeeper. So as sublime as his finish was, his mistake was ridiculous. He's spoken to TNT afterwards. He says, sorry to the team for making it so hard for us with an easy mistake. Football happens.

We move on and go to the next round. And that, I think, as far as Sir Bosley is concerned, is drawing a line under it. Joby, thank you very much for tonight. Dion. Kelly's here tomorrow with reaction to Newcastle against Manchester City in the semi-final first leg of the Carrabah Cup. Five Live Sports Go to the end zone touchdown.

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