Football Daily - The Wayne Rooney Show: Clichy on Mbappe, Henderson & France in 2010

Episode Date: June 21, 2026

Gaël Clichy joins Wayne for the latest World Cup debate covering England's hopes, France's expectations and Jordan Henderson's controversial selection. There's also a passionate defence of Kylian Mbappé, with comparisons to an all-time great and a warning that football sometimes does not fully appreciate brilliance until it's gone.This is a fascinating look inside life at a major tournament, with the truth behind France's infamous 2010 World Cup controversy and why modern defenders are struggling. Plus, predictions, dark horses and who could lift the trophy.

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I mean, he has a vaulted. It's gone on strike. And every player voted, it's gone on strike. I remember thinking, I want to play, man. I want to play freedom, man. You speak about him back in how amazing he is as well, but then you've got like them,

Billy and Elisa as well. I never thought I'd see today where a friend Frank who comes to rob the English players. Personally, I wouldn't have taken him. I completely understand why he's taking him. to help manage the train sessions to the next day. Him even being honest, I think to help drive them train sessions

because he is a leader, Jordan. Hello and welcome to the Wayne Rooney show. We're in the midst of World Cup fever, and as always, Wayne's here. But today we're joined by a very special guest, Gail Klishi, to talk all things World Cup. And we are recording before the France game, France's first game, so we don't know how that's gone so far.

But how have you been finding the World Cup so far, guys? Well, the time difference is just a killer. obviously I'm waiting for France England I'm going to follow as well Switzerland but yeah there are the two main team

that I'm going to follow really France and England yeah what about yourself Yeah no I've enjoyed it more than I thought I think some games have been poor

but some games have really enjoyed and because I've played out there I know how difficult it is to play in that heat and they've been a lot quicker than what I thought

maybe that's because the first game might slow down a little in the later stages. Do you like the addition of the new teams about 48 teams? No, I don't like the format

I think there's too many teams and I think it's a shame you know when you see the Germany game I think there's teams who, it's great,

great story but there's teams who are just now happy to be there and there's no ambition and it's not their fault by the way no ambition of going through

where I think you know that's why we're seeing some poor games I think but we're fighting negative football as well, but those teams got no weapons to do anything.

So they have to have like back five and a line of four. And if we go back a few weeks ago with Munich and PSG 5-4, this is the football we want to see. So we're fighting negative football and bringing much more teams of that

level. It's great for their country, but overall for football in general. But what you'll never take away is keep the results in Spain. I think no one's seen coming. And so that will never be taken away from them. And listen, they're not going to progress much further from the tournament. Well, you never know, though.

But you never know, though, because I think in some groups, a third team can go through to the next round. Yeah, so you never know. I mean, their goalkeepers being caused an absolute storm. Have you seen how many followers? Yeah, yeah, that's mad. Right, let's get straight into it. So what do we think of England or Scotland's chances?

We need an outside voice on here, girl. Do you think England are contenders? Yeah, of course. Of course. And I'm not saying this just because I love England. I'm saying this because of what Wayne said a few minutes earlier. And I do feel that English football has evolved over the last 15 years, you know, opening doors for different managers, different culture to mix a bit of the game. But I think if you look in terms of quality, there is quality all around the squad intensity. Primely for me, it's probably not the best league in the world for some people, but it's the most competitive. one. And you can see that clearly, you know, when we have players from England coming in France or to Spain, the first six, eight months, you can feel that urgency to make effort, to make tackle, to that driving force to win, that desire to play football. And I think England got that naturally. I think the talent is there. I think they have a manager that can actually, you know,

guides a group. And the last competition they did, the last two competitions were actually of a quality, you know, good quality. So, of course, their contender, like Wayne said, you know, in big tournament, you need a bit of luck as well, right time, right players in the right moment. But I will want France to win, of course. But if France cannot win it, I will put my money on England. This is the first time, what Gailty before about France having a B and C team. This is the first time you can say England, they've got a B team, maybe not C.

But then if you look, you look at, like McGuire, Foden, Cold Palm, you look at the who left out. You see what's happened with Dembele the last couple of years and there's no coincidence to, he was not struggling but he went. It was okay. It was good. He went at the level he is now. Can you imagine how he feels when Lewis Enrique says, I want one of these players, I want you. Yeah. Yeah. And then, you know, for the other players to say, you know, this is about the team, you have to work hard together as a team, you have to, you know, we'll win as a team. We're not winning because of one individual. We're doing it together as a team. We're doing it team, it lifts everyone, it gives everyone, you know, that feeling like this, this coach

appreciates you running, you appreciate you tackling, and where it's not just someone who's got to get the ball, score from third yard or take everyone on. It's actually, he prioritised the team and it shows to working together as a team. It works. Do you think that's why probably somebody like Jordan Henderson's been called in? Jordan, I think, is, personally, I wouldn't have taken him, but I think, but I completely understand why he's taking him. He's taking him, I think, I think, firstly to help manage the training sessions the next day. I haven't been honest, I think to help drive them train sessions because he is a leader, Jordan.

And the day after game, you know, it's like when you don't play and the players are recovering, and then you have to go and train, and it's intense, and it's like you want to be over that side in the pool or on the bike, stretching and stuff. And Jordan will make sure that session stay. And the manager mightn't even be at that session. The manager might be speaking to the players.

from the game before, the night before. So Jordan will be there and he'll be helping drive that session and push that session and keep the standard tie. So I think that's a big reason why he's there. But he has had a good season as well. So will he get used? I don't think he will. I don't think he'll get much game time. But I think he's experiencing.

And players will be down. It's natural, it's normal. In the World Cup players get upset. You know, they struggle to deal with maybe getting a bit of stick in the media. They struggle not getting the game time. And Jordan will recognize that I need be someone who, if a player doesn't want to go to the manager with her,

they'll go and speak to him and say, like, I just need a bit of guidance here. So I get why he's there, but I would have personally of taking another player who I think can push more for the starting, please. I think it's a good point because I think when you build a group like this for a competition, you have three type of groups, you have the star player who will always play. You have the player that are here to carry water, and they know they're here for that, and you have the in-betweeners. Carry water.

No, but that's why we call them in France. but and then you have the in-betweeners and you can have two types of in-betweeners the one that is pushing to take the start's 11 position or you have the one like Rayne just said about Anderson who are here and I think he's actually grateful to be part of this team

because he knows so you can decide the in-betweeners if you pick wrong you can actually destroy the spirit of your team and funny enough I was that kind of guy when Deshaun didn't pick me for Brazil I was the in-betweener that was pushing to start the game.

And he told me 10 years after when I became assistant of the under 21. He told me that's the reason I didn't take you, because I knew that you were going to put me in trouble because you're training really hard. But I know in my head, I've got my start 11. So what happens if you perform every day and you push and you push and you push and the group start to realize that, hey, this guy should be playing? you know so he would disrupt the energy of the group so your in between us, sorry, your in between us

is probably the most important pick that you will have. We saw Scotland play. Have they impressed you? I found a little bit of a soft spot for them. Oh, really? Yeah, I want them to do well. Yeah, do you know, I think for me... I think it was a note from the players

and me made down Fletcher, his son Tyler has been called up into the squad and sent him to pitch. Darren sent me Scotland kits with number eight Fletch on the back and they've done pictures and sent them back to him and stuff. So I think that brings it a bit closer as well, so why wouldn't they do well? I think for me it's just wonderful seeing, it's another home nation, right? And seeing...

I wouldn't say the same with Wales. I always remember the day we got knocked out to Iceland and the Wales team were watching the hotel and they're up celebrating. And I just thought, they can be happy. happy we got knocked out, it's not a problem, but they're all posting it on the social media, and I just have never forgot them. Fair, fair. I mean, yeah.

Wayne Bruni holds a grudge. Big one as well. Yeah, big one as well. I think Scotland can progress, though. What you're looking at is you're probably looking at three points, but... They've got that, isn't it? No, but it's goal difference because only eight of the eight teams after 16 in third place. I think they can nick a point in any of the other games.

So it's going to go on goal difference, so. I think they've looked at it on all the data. People have looked at it and saying if you're on three points with minus two, goal difference, that should get you through. I don't trust any of the data nerds.

I know, but now they've got Morocco and Brazil coming up. I'm just going to say this. Brazil aren't the Brazil of old. I think, I think this isn't 98. This isn't 2002. They're not,

but they've got good players. Yeah, but when you strike a place for Brentford, you're not Brazil. Yeah, Don't try to get us in trouble there. No, I'm not getting you in trouble. It's me in trouble, right?

But if your striker plays for Brentford, it's not Brazil. Yeah, but at the same time, Italy has been out of the competition for like two competitions. So football is different now. And what I like to say with what Rain is saying is that you don't expect Scotland to reach semifinals, but they're going to bring what they can bring that together, that energy.

And in today's football, of course, if you have that, if you have those values, you can do something. Right, well, let's talk a bit about France. Gail, what's your expectation to France? I mean, there's always high expectations for France. You lost an ivory coast in the buildup to the World Cup. But what do you see your chances? That's just a friendly game.

But there's a big point to it. Every time France is playing one of those African sides, it's always been difficult. and it's even more hard nowadays because this nation are growing. Like if you take Morocco, for example, it's been two decades. They've been working on bringing players who've been coached in France, French Academy, French football. And now can you get to the French natural team? We can give you right now a tournament for you to express your talent. So you find those teams, those nation with players that know how to play the game,

as we know in France, because they're. been through the rank of French Academy, strong, physical, with good knowledge of the game, and it's very difficult. So that game is not an important game, but for the first game of the tournament against Senegal, this is what we should expect.

Well, that's where it's Senegal. I think there's 12 players. You play for Senegal who were born in France. So you can imagine what, for them players, they'll be thinking, right, the French Federation didn't think we were good enough to play for that. Exactly, yeah, that's it. They want to show France the better than them.

It's a very similar situation with Morocco, isn't it? Because I looked at a Morocco starting lineup and most of them were born outside of Morocco as well. If you look in France, I think in that competition, I think you have 98 or 99 players who were born in France. So they're playing in different countries. And like Wayne said, rightly so,

it's either I need to show you that you didn't want to pick me, but I'm good enough to play against or for you. And if it's not the case, I wanted to represent my parents' country and I'm going to show you what you're missing out. So it's always a difficult game for French national team, but this Senegal team is special as well. So what do you think is an acceptable finish for France?

Is it winning the whole thing? I think you can't talk less than semi-final, but that's being generous as well. You know, with the player we have. And the past 10 years, you know, with Deshaun, you did two World Cup final, you won one, you lost one on penalties, you lost your championship against Portugal.

This is his last tournament. People are saying in France, his teams are not teams that plays football, but they win. So you can kind of see the story. Last big tournament for him, big generation of players, can they bring the cup home?

Surely they can. So really, if you want France to do well, they have to go to the final. Other than this, okay, it would be acceptable if you read the semi-final. but with the player we have and what's been happening

over the last 10 years you'd like to see them reaching the final. It's going back to what we've said before about the added teams to the competition. This tournament won't start really until the quarter of finals and then you're going to see the big teams really in the court finals unless you might get one who shocks it

and maybe like the Netherlands don't qualify and someone else comes to, but you're going to see the big teams in the court finals. And then that's when it starts really. And then you need a bit of luck there because, you know, I think there's Spain. I know they do the first game,

but you imagine Spain, Portugal, France, England, probably the four favorites. And then you've got Brazil and Argentina as well. So, you know, that's, it doesn't really kick off until the court finals. Do you think there's too much pressure on Mbapé when you're coming into this? I mean, he's come off an interesting sort of season

at Real Madrid. I mean, he's been scored. but obviously they haven't won anything. I think he's been brilliant. And I think he scored how many goals? Over 40 or goals and he gets stick because, and Reynolds did a different clubbing and he gets stick because he goes on holiday which,

which, no, we, we, everyone knows, obviously Gail is playing as well. If a play gets an injury, it's good for them to go, you know, get a bit of sun, rest a little bit, especially if it's before the World Cup. So, yeah, I think, I think you talk about pressure.

I don't think he's, it looks to me like he's never felt pressure. And, you know, he's scored a Hattuck World Cup. He's won the World Cup. And he's just a top quality player, isn't he? I think he's also struggling with the comparison of Paris. You know, he was there. He was the face of the club,

trying to reach the final and win the Champions League with Paris. And obviously, he's living. And the same year, Paris is actually winning the Champions League and the following years as well. So in France, that is, people like to hate our champions. And unfortunately for him, he's the victim of his success, you know, but Wayne knows this. I've never been in that seat where, you know, you have to carry the weight of a team.

He's that kind of guy. And when you score 40 plus gold in Madrid, nobody can stand in front of me and tell me that that player didn't have a great season. okay maybe the manager maybe the club didn't structure the team in a way for him to work and be successful but when you score 40 plus goals

of course as a striker what's of you like in France do they love him or is there is there a massive amount of expectation for him? No I think I think you know in France but that's just not him you know Cherry okay I'm going to bring this back and sorry guys if not

if some of you are from Ireland but the handball that send us to the war cup you know in South Africa Yeah. Maradona was God because of that situation and we destroyed Cherry because of the same situation. It's just to show you that the one mistake Killian did, he said, okay, the year before he left for Madrid, he said, oh, if I wanted to win the Champions League, I wouldn't be here. I would be in Madrid, you know, and then he left to Madrid and they won the Champions League and he hasn't won. So people just like to hate when you are successful in France.

So it's not a question of pressure. It's just a question of perception of. of the guy and the player really. Yeah, I've always thought he's performed incredibly well for France. Some of, I feel like personally, some of his best performances have always come in a French shirt. Can you imagine score on a hat-stick in the World Cup final? But I think he's not being on the losing side.

Is he what? Four, four or six goals to the goal scored, most goals scored in World Cup competition? He's what, he's 24, he's 20 something? I mean, that's just, it's just crazy. I think you forget, I think as a society, it's not just frant in England

in different countries. Instead of appreciating what in front of them, I think we're trying to look at the negatives. Killing Mapa will win in a Champions League. I think there's no doubt about that. But I think we fail to recognise what's in front of us an enjoyer. Yeah.

And we're looking to say, oh, he didn't do this here or he didn't do this there, whatever, instead of saying, know what, let's just enjoy this as a generational talent we're possibly never going to see something like him. He's as close to Arnan as I've seen. Yeah.

So you look at Messi-Rinaldo, they're two best, yeah, whatever. Embapé is as close to Arnan as you see. He's skillful, he can drive with people running behind score goals and I think we're at danger of not appreciating them now. Yeah. And then we're going to look.

back and say, oh, I grew up in that generation. Why didn't I appreciate that a bit more? I mean, you look at that French front line as though. We speak about Mbapé and how amazing he is as well. But then you've got like them Bele and Elisa as well. I never thought I'd see that they were French friends coming to Rob the English players. I was laughing. And you see, where they do the line up, all the Fredplay say the names.

Yes. Yeah. I've seen that. Michael Elisa. Don't French in it. That was a bad accent. No, for it. Yeah, because they do that, they've got a tradition as well where they wear the kits that they, and he's got a Chelsea kid on.

Yeah, he's got a Chelsea. Yeah, he's crazy. I mean, but it's still amazing. I mean, you got like I said, D'Belle and Elise, like you, you as a French fan or as a French person yourself, must be expecting goals galore. Wow. Are we surprised by now what France can produce, you know, if in being honest, you know, if in being honest, you know, Well, like he said, you're not, you nicked him from us. You know what?

You know, it's a funny thing because I think he will be the idol of many in France because of that. You know, we have that situation like, you know, you guys can have or maybe Wales or Scotland with different nationalities, you know, like we were talking before, we've played a choice in Morocco or Senegal or whatever. From the very first minute, you always said you wanted to play for France. And this is a big thing because in the end, You know, you have to wait for your time, but maybe your time is not this competition.

But if a nation can actually give you that tournament now, you know, some player will just go. And for him, the situation was very simple. I think he was in the days where he left Palace to go to Munich and he actually said to company, I'm going to come and I'm really happy to come. But I have to be able to finish. You have to allow me to finish the adventure at the Olympic with France. That's a big statement because this is probably. the best day of his life

and the most important one because if Bayern said no then what does it mean are you staying at Palace so it just shows you that the guy was always and he played for France youth level but he was always committed to France but yet he doesn't speak

as good as a French guy it's a funny story but I mean that's not it's what he's grown up speaking isn't it but yeah it's similar with Harvey band who got offered the opportunity to go and play for Scotland in the World Cup and he's obviously English and he said no

he wants to try and play for England which I respect a lot and is he going to play for England or not you don't know but he's turned down the opportunity to go and play the World Cup to try and play for for England's obviously so I completely get that

and respected. What is it about Franco that makes you able to produce such amazing players? Because you could put out numerous squads and still get far I reckon you could put out a B team

and still get to about the quarters and the C team as well And the under 21, no joke. But I think since the war come 1998, I think France got a system that works to develop and nurture players. I think England are benefiting as well a lot from foreign coaches coming in.

And now we're seeing more and more English players going out to play abroad. Obviously, you look at Anthony Cain. Anthony Gordon, obviously, he's gone out there. We've got a lot of English players. Now, Willem, Dubellingham, being out in Germany, he's out in Spain. a lot of players going to play abroad

but I think the foreign coaches who've come into England there's no surprise over the last 10 years England has done better in tournaments because they're getting coached by a Guadioola, by a Yergen Club, by a Marino and technically English players are better than they've ever been

now so I think seeing something different when you come through the system in England which obviously I've been to in the academies it was all one way of playing it was fight, it was tackle it was you know be aggressive

to get into one face. Now it's more, okay, can we play out? Can we take the ball? Can we have control of the game? So I think the English players are benefiting from these top coaches coming in as well. Gail, I can't have you here and not talk about 2010. What's that? I don't want to talk about 2030.

Okay, let's keep. Next page, man. I was watching the bus. That documentary. I was in the bus. Yeah, exactly. I just want to ask, I guess, how difficult was it during that period? I mean, you were sort of like a younger player back then as well, being amidst all of that as well.

I mean, Raymond Dominic and the French media and all of that. How was it being in and amongst all of that? You know, after that tournament, we had like people from the Federation calling each of us individually to have, you know, the feeling of what happened. and they asked me, you know, what would you change? And I said, well, you'll be shocked, but I wouldn't change anything. That was a dream to play for my country in the World Cup. And I've done it. I would have loved for it to be different, but this is it.

And it's only coming like 20 years later that story. But it just shows you, and with Wayne, we speak some time about, you know, being a coach and being a leader of a team. That moment is actually happening. because Dominic decided to take Cherry and Rhee off the captaincy and put players in front of him, rightly so or not, I don't know. But for that moment on, in that percoli, in that burst, if Cherry is still the authority within the dressing room, this doesn't happen.

Really? So you think he was a talisman? Of course. Patrice weren't as captain, did he? Patrice was captain. But it's not, I'm not saying that Patrice is responsible for this. I'm just saying that Cherry at a different stature. At that time I was playing with Patrice at that time

at Man United and he was still quite young as well and Patrice is always outspoken and you'll speak his mind and but sometimes I think you need probably a little bit of of calm experience in their moment and

if you're saying in 2010 the Patrice should be captain over Thierry then you probably say not sure. I mean probably you might want to say, but probably not in that moment because you look. Even William Gallas in the documentary says he was expecting to become the captain as well. Well, he was the vice captain after Cherry. So, you know, if you take it step by step, the captain is out, then the vice captain and everything changed.

But this documentary was nice because people could see because we got destroyed. First of all, that generation of player, we went behind after the Zidane, Makele, Vera. So already the challenge to go after them, is just crazy. And we had someone as a coach who was, who wanted to be the actor of the show. You can't have that because we were speaking with Wayne. When you're a coach, wherever you are,

Champions League level, fourth division, your player are going to make you the manager that you deserve to be. He was the leader of a team that needs to be led the correct way, and that documentary is actually showing the whole world. that he was none of a manager. You know what I mean? The best plan is make the players feel empowered and it's players decisions, what's happening.

And if they have to step in, they step in. And especially if you've got egos in the dress room and which the French team will have, the English team will have the whatever team will have big egos in the restroom. And as a manager, if you're trying to be centre stage, I think you're always asking for trouble. But his time started with,

taking out Zidane, Macailele, all the oldest players. That's before I started to play for France. Result went negative. So he called them back. From that moment on, you've lost, you've lost all authority within the dressing room because we know, I need you.

From the moment you're telling me, I need you, guys, you're not going to help us. And what happened there in South Africa is just the continuity of what happened in 2008 when he asks his girlfriend to become, you know, his wife. You know, from that moment on again, you know, a wrong decision, not him, but it's a wrong decision for people who wants to keep him in the job, you know. So of course we talk about that incident, but before that,

there are a moment, key moment, that would have changed the course of that. I'm not saying we... Did you ever wonder if you were picked based on your star sign? Well, I was a Leo. I was a Leo. And it's one of those that he wants to be in without. So I was working to be, I've made it. I just want to get a quick feeling of what it was like

when you were on the bus itself that day because it looked like it was absolute chaos in taking the car keys. That's crazy. Like again, you know, that's a moment. If the key is there, we just go to the hotel and there's no situation. We went down, it was a warm down session anyway.

sign a few autograph, go home, go to the hotel and he's fine. But he knew it was doing. So he took the key. And I remember at that time, we were talking in the bus. And that team was like a mix of old generation, but a three quarter of the group was young players. We still had one game to play. And if you win, I think if we'd won two nil, we actually go through.

So you can imagine as a young player, there's no way you can step out of this bus. Because if you're stepping out and you're the only one and then you go. in the next two days and win three nil and you go through, you're the guy who just separated himself from the group, so you can't do it. But at that time, if one player of a certain experience

go out, everybody would have followed. Because we didn't want to fight against the French Federation, of course. We just wanted to kind of show support to Anelka for something that never happened, something that was created

by whoever, which we realized 20 years later, who was responsible for that? That was just it. So, of course, it was a big situation, but if you really took care of all details, it was never a situation. We had a similar situation with England, when Rio Fernand got banned over the mixed drug test.

And remember, I was 17, and we were in the squad, and the band never allowed them to get selected for England before he was. you know, you know, for I'm guilty or not guilty

or whatever. And then remember we played Turkey away and we needed a point to qualify for Euro 2004 and

Guy Neville called everyone in and we had to vote to go and strike and every player voted to go on strike and I remember thinking I want to play man

I want to play for England right but you had really at that point I did have a big enough voice to say this this is wrong

and then So we all voted, every player and voted to go on strike. And then we've, Guy Neville's gone obviously to the FA and told them. And then eventually I think it's calm down. I think he's realised, you know, we don't play here. We're in trouble here. It's always amazing, like speaking to people like yourselves who have been to these football tournaments and stuff.

I just want to quickly talk about life in camp because it feels like, especially since this World Cup started, it feels like it's taking ages for us to see like England or France. And it's like, I was thinking that today. Do you know what? It feels like such a long... The Argentina. The competition started last week.

And yet we haven't played. And then you're asking me if I'm watching games. I don't know. I don't know where I am. But it must be even worse for the players that are actually there. The World Cup started and they're there. What's life like in camp when you're involved in it? And there's all that downtime that you've got when you're there.

I'm going to go first, Wayne, because I've only had 20, caps and two tournaments. So for me it was like daydreaming always. Maybe for someone like Wayne is different because he was like the face of a nation. People were expecting him to do well. And if he doesn't, then it's on him that England is not winning. So I think the experience and he would tell you, but for me, you could have taken me for six months in camp.

I would have loved it. Because, you know, it's special. You know, wearing that shirt is special. And like I told you, I'm not proud of what happened in South Africa, but I will do it again. because it's a dream. It's like in that time, in that period, I was part of the best 25 players in my generation. Of course, I take it all day.

Now, if he says something, he would tell you after 100 cap and six tournaments and bliss and that and this and that and being, you know, tiring, you know, because it's tiring to have to lead a nation and to be the one that has to perform a bit like Mbapé. So maybe it would give you his experience, but for me.

Do you know what? I love them. And I think because I was someone who liked being around me to you, and I was energetic and I'm probably, you know, P-a-tick teammates off at times because I was constantly wanting to do stuff and that. But I felt it was where England is now as a team

to where we were. It's like, for instance, every tournament we've been to, the players have gone out and played like Nan-A-Golf or, you know, you've relaxed and gone for food with each other and whatever. But for those as a group, felt like we had to hide there and try and hide because, be like, why are they playing golf?

the heads play football where the difference now is I've seen Elliot Anderson do the day and he said what's the one thing the first thing you've packed to call the World Cup and he said we golf clubs

so there's a different mentality of and a different way of media looking in and the fans looking in and whatever which I think is actually a lot better for the players now because it gives them a clear mind

and let them think you know we're not doing anything wrong here where for us to go and play now and all to golf you're thinking, I hope we don't get pitched with playing golf here because, you know, you'll get hammered by the fans, we get hammered by the media. So that was the only one thing for me,

but I love being around the, you know, you sat there with your teammates, you're watching the different games, you're looking at if we win this game, we might play these in this next round, whatever. So I love being around it. And you don't have to think about nothing else, like every day's life, like worrying about getting home for your kids, getting home for the wife,

things we like to do, You know, it's like, you can imagine, it's like you are between boys, the same passion, same bentser, same everything. You know, we eat the same food and we have one goal in common is to perform. That's a dream. For any men, it's a dream. So it's fantastic. Yeah, I mean, I wish I was part of it. But yeah.

Neatree, in it. We're seeing new elements in the game with the hydration breaks. What do you think of these hydration breaks? I love it. Really? I thought you'd be totally against them because... Listen, I've played in the States.

Let me tell you, right? That hydration break is one of the best feelings you can have. Trust me. Wait, wait, wait. Do you have an advertising pose? Do you have an advertising show in the show?

Drink four. That's why he loves them. I think Wayne's got free adverts on American TV playing this month. I'm joking, but do you know that feeling when that hydration break comes Honestly, there's no better feeling. Because when you're playing in that heat, it is...

And players might say, oh, it's stopping the rhythm of the game. We're stopping the game for VR. We're stopping the game for so many different things. If the referee's mic isn't working, you're stood there for five minutes. So to stop here for the players to actually refuel, I was talking about this. We played in Dallas. I lost seven kilos in one game.

Seven kilos? A weigh myself before the game and after game. I was seven kilos lighter after the game. So I think it's important that the players allowed to... to refuel, get some water back into them, whatever. It might take three minutes out of the game, but we sit here for five, six minutes waiting on an offside decision and stuff.

So I think it's definitely, it's better for the players, even if some players might like it and for the fans watching might be the best, but it's definitely better for the players, definitely. Okay, well, that is the biggest surprise. That's good explanation as well. You work on that one.

Yeah, yeah. It was waiting for it. Yeah. I was waiting for it. I don't need to say anything because I was good, man. Fair enough. Right.

I just want to know, Wayne, we're just going to wrap it up with some predictions. Have you changed your mind about what you thought England, how far you thought England would go? No, listen, I think England won. I think you need a bit of look. I think England can definitely win it. I think the big challenge for England

is if he gets to the quarterfinals and meet Brazil, I think that's a big challenge. I know you've said about, Brazil, but I think that will be a big milestone to overcome to be Brazil in the quarter finals, if that's the case. In Morocco as well, it would be a tough game for England, of course. And then, obviously, France, Spain, Portugal, I think we'll be right up there.

Who do you think is going to win it then? England. What about yourself, girl? Well, I would say France, obviously. But if I said something else, I'm out. No, but I think we have the quality to do it. But like when said, you have five, six, seven. teams that can do it.

Luck is part of the game, 100%. And playing group stage games are difficult, but when you get to the quarter-final, it's something different. Again, playing for France friendly game, official game was always a different weight, on your shoulder. And when you get to this stage of the competition,

when you get to the quarter-finals, it's a different game. You won't be seen 4-4-2 as much. Of course. You won't be able to be. The team of the field. Who's your Dark Horse? I know they lost the first game,

but I really like Ecuador. Ecuador? They lost the first game, but I like... You still think they're Dark Horse. What about yourself? I like to think Switzerland. I know the first game, you know, they can see the last minute,

but I played there. I played there three years, and I've seen the evolution of their team. Like I said, the profile are changing a bit. They've got more mixture within the dressing room, you know, different profile, speed, power, you know, someone like Chaka with big experience.

So I'd like to think that, you know, people will take them like, you know, a small nation and I think they can put up. Norway as well. The Norway as well. Player of the tournament. Depends who wins, no. Well, you said England are going to win a World Cup.

Yeah, Harry Kane, isn't it? I think it'll be Kane or Dubedongam. If England won. Interesting. I think Mbapé would be the goal scorer and Olysset would be the best player of the tournament Both of you playing it safe All right, one bold prediction

Scotland will reach the court finals Okay I think it's going to be really tight and tough But I think If that happens they're going to build a statue of you in Glasgow You know It's not me doing is it But I do

I think there's something going on with them I said this by the way but four months ago okay what about yourself I'll go really bald I hate you getting four points I hate you

getting four points wow oh Haiti yeah they've already lost the game that means winning and drawing against Brazil and Morocco yeah

I mean we said bold but not wild listen it's been an absolute pleasure having you here thank you for coming on guys that's the end

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