Football Daily - UCL Debrief: City denied win in Monaco

Episode Date: October 1, 2025

“If you kick someone in the face, I guess it’s a penalty” – that’s Erling Haaland’s view on the late penalty that denied Manchester City a win in Monaco. Mark Chapman is joined by Matt Upson, Chris Sutton, and Conor McNamara for reaction to that and the rest of the night’s action in the Champions League. Eddie Howe assesses Newcastle’s 4-0 win away at Union Saint-Gilloise and we hear from Mikel Arteta after Arsenal made it two wins from two in the Champions League this season with a victory over Olympiakos. 00:44 – Monaco 2-2 Manchester City 09:30 – Was it a penalty? 15:50 – Pep Guardiola 18:30 – Newcastle’s win in Belgium 22:00 – Arsenal 2-0 Olympiakos 23:10 – Mikel Arteta 27:40 – PSG beat BarcelonaCOMMENTARIES:Thursday 2nd October EUROPA LEAGUE: Celtic v Sporting Braga 1745 KO - LIVE ON SPORTS EXTRA 2 EUROPA LEAGUE: Sturm Graz v Rangers 2000 - LIVE ON SPORTS EXTRASaturday 4th October WOMENS SUPER LEAGUE: Manchester City v Arsenal 1200 KO - LIVE ON SPORTS EXTRA PREMIER LEAGUE: Arsenal v West Ham 1500 KO - LIVE ON 5 LIVE PREMIER LEAGUE: Manchester United v Sunderland 1500 KO - LIVE ON SPORTS EXTRA PREMIER LEAGUE: Chelsea v Liverpool 1730 KO - LIVE ON 5 LIVESunday 5th October PREMIER LEAGUE: Newcastle v Nottingham Forest 1400 KO - LIVE ON 5 LIVE PREMIER LEAGUE: Everton v Crystal Palace 1400 KO - LIVE ON SPORTS EXTRA 2 PREMIER LEAGUE: Aston Villa v Burnley 1400 KO - LIVE ON THE BBC SPORT WEBSITE PREMIER LEAGUE: Wolves v Brighton 1400 KO - LIVE ON SPORTS EXTRA 3 PREMIER LEAGUE: Brentford v Man City 1630 KO - LIVE ON 5 LIVE

On the Football Daily podcast, Champions League debrief with Mark Chapman. Been another good night of European football as a late Monaco penalty, denies Manchester City a winning the Champions League. Newcastle get their first European winner this season. They beat Union San Joseuas 4-0 away. Arsulsiophilippiarchos 2-0. Paris Saint-Germain won 2-1 in Barcelona and Rasmus Hoyland got both goals for Napoli as they be Sporting 2-1. Connor McNamara and Chris Sutton have been in Monaco for the game with Manchester City.

The former Arsenal defender Matt Upson is with us as well. But Connor, let's start with the story of Manchester City's two-two draw. Yes, trips to the principality have been tough going for Premier League teams over the years. Just one win now in ten attempts for Premier League clubs coming to play away at Monaco in Europe. This was a game that Manchester City seemed to be up and running at when Erling Hallen gave them the lead. It'll dink over the advancing goal. keeper in the first half, but almost immediately a brilliant reply from Jordan Tezze on his 26th birthday, couldn't have hit it better outside the penalty area to the top corner beyond Duna Ruma, and

Monaco was straight back level, but Harland was soon to extend Manchester City's lead, and they were two-on-up at half-time. Cua, a second half of which City had so much possession and plenty of chances too. Both Foden and Rinders were to hit the crossbar in the game, but that third goal to give them a cushion just wouldn't arrive for Pep Guardiola, and then right at the very end, all the controversy. In UEFA's opinion, Manchester City's Nico Gonzalez, kicked an opponent in the head while trying to play the ball.

That's the wording they've used when he had that challenge on Eric Dyer. Dyer, the England defender, stood up and then scored the penalty himself. 2-2. Monaco continued there on beaten home record this season and Manchester City have not won away in the Champions League

in over a year. Right, so we'll come to the penalty in a moment, but City will be kicking themselves here, Chris. They didn't finish it off because they really should have done. Yeah, I mean, they had control. I've got to say Monaco always looked dangerous on the counterattack, but City had enough chances to win the game.

They hit the crossbar twice. They were dominant and this will be a city dressing room at the end of the game where they feel that the game really, it's a game they should have won, it got away from them, they should have seen it through. Do you just wonder though, you know, when the, when the, you know Rinders hit the crossbar you sort of put everything together and think is it going to be one of those nights and then

there was the you know the penalty award and Monaco didn't deserve to come out of this game with anything but they did do and yet Matt City's XG was only 1.3 Monaco's was actually higher than that I mean sometimes it does slightly

baffle me does XG but they controlled the game without sort of chance after chance after chance yeah No, it was a very assured performance, for sure, for me. I thought they were very much in control, looked comfortable, relaxed, playing good football. Monaco always had that threat, like Chris has mentioned. You always felt that they were capable.

And even in that second half, when there was big periods of city control, they had a couple of attacks and rivals at the back post maybe could have scored as well. So it was always on that kind of edge. that third goal you always felt that they were probably going to need it and it for me was a good away performance in terms of how they went about the game and the control they just didn't have that finish and in this level of football in the Champions League doesn't matter where you are you know the standard is so good that you will be you will be caught out at some point what why didn't they why why no

I mean I don't want to say killer instinct I suppose because obviously they do have a killer instant but did they did they just get too comfortable um I don't think that well I don't think they got too comfortable you know we spoke before the game about Bernardo Silver I actually think you know why is he playing him out wide it's just you know you asked me a question if you want more of a winger winger yes yes I don't understand why Pep took Docu off and left Bernardo Silver on I'm not saying he's a liability out there but he doesn't have the ability to go past a fallback. That's a massive problem. All the good stuff came down the left

hand side or Foden on the halftone. Foden was superb in the first half. But that right hand side you've got John Stones who's been a wonderful player throughout his grew as a centreback playing out at right back and Bernardo Silver just sort of knew before the game there wasn't going to be that much coming down that side. They're not dynamic anymore. They're not at the top of their game. I think there's a problem for Manchester City. And it's something, Pep, for whatever reason, I don't know why he kept him on, but I think that was ridiculous. Ma?

Do you not think it's because they're away from home? Chris, maybe. What does that mean? Well, you know, it's the Champions League. Perhaps he felt he had more control. They scored two good goals. They hit the bar twice, you know. I get what you're saying.

He's their captain? What happens when you're subject, if you're captain, you just passed the hand? You just put the... No, I know, you just get those armbands with Velcro on, can you? I'm just adding an extra layer to everything that Matt was... I sense I'm going to be on Matt's side an awful lot more over the next 20 minutes. It's just like Monday nightclub. I mean, do you think it was with, especially with stones behind him as well, Chris, no?

Like, are you thinking like attacking-wise going forwards with a fullback that's not really going to have that attacking quality either in terms of you know getting on the overlap etc well yeah yeah absolutely that john stones is you know more of a more of a back support and is you know he's a great player but there were there were times in both halves where city were in good situation but bernardo silver is 1v1 and he he knows that that's that's that's not his game driving at a defender you know they cut they come back they lose the momentum there's a time in the second off where city had a brilliant break and had it been Bernardo Silver from a couple of seasons ago where he was a little bit more dynamic. Maybe they would have made something off, but they keep coming back.

And when they, as soon as soon as they come back out, it allowed Monaco to get bodies back and bodies behind the ball and for Manchester City to try and build again. So I think that's a, you know, it's a massive problem for Pep Gordial of that right-hand side if he continues playing the pair of them there. Erling Harland got two goals from just seven touches in that first half. and at half-time, Matt, we were talking about how his first goal was with his first touch. But the problem, his lack of involvement sometimes causes for defenders, bizarrely. Yeah, I think it can lure you into a false sense of, I'm doing all right here,

and I've got this under control, and this isn't as bad as what I thought it was going to be. and then all of a sudden it's just, it just turns it on and when it gets turned on it's dialed up to the max so this is like huge surges of power and strength and energy and pace

that nobody can match so if the pass is right or the ball is right he's in and there's no stop in and I think that that's the problem you have when you have to play against Ealing Harland and you know combat

And the goal, the headed goal, the only thing you can do as a centre back there is the first defender he pulls off of. You almost got a half not focus on the ball and just concentrate on making contact with his body just to try and put him off. It's the only way you can deal with him because if you try and match him, he'll beat you. Do you think, Matt, for the first goal, though, I'm not disputing anything you're saying, but the first goal, Salasu's got to spot that. He's got to spot that earlier. I don't necessarily blame Dyer. As a centerfold, you know, he's tried to get equidistant in between the, in between the two. It's a brilliant run.

You know, he has that, has that power and pace to do that. But surely Salasoo has to just, you know, he must have seen Erling Island play however many times. That's what he's going to try and do. And where's the danger? He has to smell the danger in that moment and react and get across. You can't, you know, he knows where he knows where the threats, you know, going to be. I thought there was poor defending, however good it was from Manchester City's point of view. I don't disagree that you have to sense that because if you don't, you won't make it up.

The player, like I say, the closest player team is not going to match that run because it's so dynamic. So the whole point of playing that three is to help each other out in those situations. And I agree he switched off at that point, didn't read the fact the ball was going to go in behind and paid the price. He's spoken to TNT as Harland afterwards. On those seven touches in the first half, he said, I still think I was affecting the game with my movement, but I didn't do my job in the second half. He said,

we needed more energy. We needed to get at them more like we did in the first half. I don't think it was good enough. And then he was asked about the penalty, to which he replied, to which he replied, if you kick someone in the face, I guess it's a penalty,

which is slightly disappointing and takes the wind out of my sails somewhat because maybe I'm jet-like. I didn't think he was a penalty man. No, they really matters what I think. But I didn't think it was. No. My problem is it's an overturn.

So VAR I've had to get involved. And, you know, on-field decision was comfortable with it. I'm not seeing massive amount of contact. I know there's a small bit of contact to the face, but it's not like he's booted him cleaning the face. Oh, come on. And he's got a good chunk of the ball beforehand. So, yeah.

Yes. I'm not really feeling like... Good chunk of the ball. Yeah, I'm not feeling like VAR should poke the nose in, to be honest, and just stay out of it. But that's poke the nose and that's their job as, you know, you can't kick it upon it in there. That's the second thing you got wrong this week, Mark,

because the other thing, I don't like to bring it up, Bryson DeShambo, I know nothing about golf, but when you were saying, well, maybe his coach should have sent him in for a drink and a meal. rather than practice and he ended up winning I did well he was five down at the time when I suggest that

but he did I did love that just for what he said he did produce a remarkable comeback but because of practice but we're talking we're talking about this error I may have made this evening

rather than the one on Sunday I just you're right Matt it's just not a boot in the face is it It's just not. And in fact, Dyer is behind Gonzales. So it's almost as if Dyer goes into the boot. Yeah, I don't think he's kicking into the space where Dyer is.

I think Dyer's stooping in to head the ball. Oh, come on. Stooping. And it catches him. It's not stupid. It's dangerous play. It's dangerous play. The foot is up really high.

It's over six feet off the ground. But what did the referee see, what did the referee see on the screen that he didn't see real time then? No, the connection. He saw that it did connect with the head of the dire. But it was such a small, it was such a tiny connection. The boot was high. Here's the question. Does he connect?

Does his foot connect with the head of dire? Yes or no. Does it? There is contact. Yes or no. Yes. There is contact. What has happened is, he's foot over six feet high in the air, has had contact with it.

You know, that is the definition of dangerous play. Hang on, so I'm marking you at a corner, Connor. And you walk up and headbutt my shoulder. You get a penalty, do you? But that's not that. What's that going to do with anything? Because I don't think, I don't think Nica Gonzalez put his foot into, I think Dyer connects with the boot of Gonzales.

But why is his boot up there? Exactly. That's the ball. Once you put your boot up there, it's your responsibility. It doesn't kick anyone in the head. head. If it does, you've been dangerous. Yeah, but there's two people going into

that situation. So there's a stooped head. And one of them is leaning in and one isn't. You're going to have to define stoop. And there's a high foot. Because stoop means get down really low. I mean, that's... Not necessarily, because it can just mean the ducked head. A ducked head. I mean, if you look how highest foot was

that that's not far off the world high jump record. That's a high foot. That is so high. I'm just going to Google what the world high jump right now. I know, yeah. It's not that. The world high jump is about two, two, thirty, one, is it? His boot is so high.

That looked over two meters to me. Two meters 45, eight foot quarter inch. Well, Eric Dye must be tall then, because if he's done in his head. Are you suggesting, Chris, that Eric Dyer is eight, eight foot eight? No, sorry, yeah, I'll take that back and not quite the world high jump record. I thought it's so smart about Bryce and Deschambeau now, are you? I mean, the bigger picture is whilst it creates a slightly amusing argument on the radio mat, it's not going to do Manchester City that much harm in the grand scheme of things.

No. In qualifying, but the point is, and Pep Guadillo made this very clear pre-match, after everything last year and the draw they got and so on and so, for they want top eight here yeah and i think you know last year everyone was kind of learning the the new regime weren't they and seeing how it played out and the had the impact and you kind of learn how to navigate your way through i mean it's not it's not a particularly easy place to go and play is it on on record i mean kind of the same before and about the teams that have gone out there and been successful it's not it's not an easy place to go and and win as such and it just i don't

No, it seems like a weird atmosphere there. I've never been. But it just, you know, in watching the game, it just feels like a strange place to go and play atmospherically. I don't know if that's... Yeah, I mean, it was strange. I mean, I described it as like going to the Horse of the Year show.

I mean, the ultras, myself and Rob Diabels, so looking at the ultras at the end, I mean, they've gone off for a ham-and-cheese cuisson and a glass of lemonade after the game. I mean, they're not real ultras in that sort. No. No, first of all, they cleaned up after.

Does that come across when you're there? Yeah. I mean, you want ultras. You want them sort of, you don't want it, but you're used to sort of threatening behavior. I mean, it's such a nice lot here. It's not normally like this. How many horses at the air shows you be?

You will have been to a few, I'd guess. I've been to a couple. It's already hosted a few. I normally not off after a while, but this was a good game. Hold on, we've gone golf, horses. High jump. High job.

Hi, jones. Any other sports? you want to throw into this show. You know what I meant? It's a really, it's such a lovely place. It's such a strange atmosphere though. It is. It just, it just is warm.

It feels like you're in a conference center, but there's a game of football going on. It's lovely. We can hear now from Pep Guardiola. We play a really good game. We are in steps. We play a really good game. I always try to

give more chances to concede for you. That will happen. And of course, they are fast, fast players. All of them here in French, the physicality. so strong and of course they have some pace but we can see few and we create a lot chances considering what is the Champions League and really pleased for that but of course we were closed that and and at the end we could not defend a well the free

kick and may considerable penalty anyway what have you said to the referee have you said anything to the reference no penalty what are you able to give us your opinion on No. Nothing to say to the Spanish referees. Listen, football you have to win as a result. If you know how was the game, the game was in many things really good. Step by step and we'll do better. But many things, we get chances we found, especially in the first half. And many good players played really, really good.

And we could sit almost nothing. And we create the chances. They defend so deep, so tight. deep, so tight that it was unexpected for the way they played. Monaco was played with four in a different way. They adjust. But we had up really good and we played really good. This is my feeling.

But of course, when it's close, we have to defend. Not defend. It's pieces, of course, of that. And yeah, we take the point. That is only I can say. From the start of your day to the moment you head home Join 5 Live for the latest news,

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Weekdays on BBC Radio 5 Live. On the Football Daily podcast, Champions League debrief, with Mark Chapman. Let's go to probably the most impressive result for the English teams this evening. That's Newcastle, who went to Belgium and beat Union Saint-Juil was 4-0. Voltaimada got the first. There were two Anthony Gordon penalties as well, and then Barnes added the fourth. Here's Eddie How.

Travelling out here, that's what we would have wanted, especially after the Arsenal ending. That was a big response from the players because that was a painful way to lose that game. And the players had to dig deep and look within themselves and come out fighting again. That's what we do best. And that was a really good display today.

It was always going to be a tough game. But I think as soon as we got that first goal, it settled us down and we played really well. Anytime you get a clean sheet in the Champions League away from home, that's a good statement to make. And I think just generally how we attack, there was a feeling we could score at any moment in the game. Okay, two of the goals have come from penalties, but we scored four away from home.

We couldn't have asked any more than that. And hopefully it helps us when we return to the Premier League because we've been waiting for a performance like that, really, where, as I said, we looked like we could score at any moment. It wasn't, you know, a perfect performance. There's things we can improve, but it was a big step in the right direction. And an important stage as well in the Champions League, because, as I've said before, we have to start well.

These competitions are so high, the demands are so big on us that if we're slow starters, we could leave ourselves too much to do. So I certainly leave here, I think, in a lot healthier, positive frame of mind. And there's no reason why we can't win games at this level home and away because I think we have the players and the squad to do that. But then you have to do it to maybe believe it yourself. I don't know. I'm already there in this respect.

I know we can do it. but this will help us. I think this will help the group. And as I said, when you look at the league table at there's two games in, but there'll be a better feeling when you see it and we're in around teams that have been on this stage for a number of years.

So now we just move on to our next Premier League game and of course this goes away for a little bit but we'll be looking ahead to it with excitement. Very much looking at the bigger picture there, Matt, isn't he? And just the fact that they've scored four goals given their goal scoring start to the season, to be the biggest positive.

Yeah, I think it's huge, you know, away from home in the Champions League. I think Volta Mada as well, I'm very pleased for him. I think that's, you know, coming in to that role, given what the rumblings and the surroundings of that over the summer was very difficult and to come in and score some goals and to be focal like he has been, I think has been a really big boost for Newcastle and for him personally because it's not easy. You know, I think there's a lot of positives, but you're right.

He was being very philosophical there, Eddie Howe in terms of quite deep, wasn't he, in what it means to the team and how he sees it, which is interesting. And like I said, I think he's got high hopes and feels the team can get bigger and better together. First time they've managed to actually start Gordon, Voltaemada and Elangra as a front three, Chris. Yeah, I think that's big for them. In the, look, I mean, we all know what happened in the summer. and the old Alexander Isak issue and, you know, they've struggled for goals in the Premier League. Volta Marder has come in and he's getting up and running.

So, I mean, it's encouraging signs and that's a good win for them. I thought that would be a tricky game for them. I was sort of, you know, proven wrong, you know, unions and Jill, well, they've, you know, proven themselves to be a, you know, a pretty well, a well, a well-organized outfit. But to win as emphatically as they did. do. That will do the world are good now. Two wins in two games for Arsenal. They beat

Olympiarkos 2-0. Chris Coles watched this one, Chris? Yeah and for anyone just switching on Mark or glancing at the scoreline having not seen the match, they'd assume a routine Arsenal win but it didn't feel that way. It certainly started like a game Arsenal would cruise all over Olympiarchos, getting the

goal through Gabriel Martinelli, tapping in after Jacques Rez hit the post and there were further good chances in the first half. Two for Jochorez, one for Gabriel, not taken, which did give Olympi Arcos hope of getting something. David Raya made a brilliant save to deny a Daniel Podent's volley. And the second half ambled on in much the same manner. So much so, the likes of timber, rice, Saka, Eza, all rested, had to come off the bench.

Saka teed up Oedegaard for a good chance. Another not taken. And listen, Olympiarchos weren't having shot after shot and piling on the pressure, but they did create little moments of panic. El Carby headed in, ruled out for offside, just about was the right decision. and Raya with another really good save before Saka won it in stoppage time to the great relief of the Emirates.

As you say, two from two now in this season's Champions League and ultimately that's all that matters. Very happy, obviously winning in the Champions League is always very complicated to keep in another clean sheet which makes, I think 11 and 14 games

which is remarkable from the boys. I think we started the game really well. I think we looked at a real threat, really dynamic, really playing forward, a lot of run, a lot of threats. Generally, it is the goal and another two or three big chances, and we don't put them away in this competition. You have to be careful. The first arrival, David, had to make an incredible save to deny their goal, which you need in this competition as well.

And after that, we had moments of a lot of dominance, as you said, and some others that without control and dominating in a direct play, we've got a little bit deeper. And every time they put balls in the box with the close is a team that is very, very dangerous. at the end, again, missed two big chances, but I didn't find a way with Bukayo to score a goal and breathe a little bit in the first few minutes because it's a team that end of the game really well. I think they won five already this season in the last few minutes and we discussed that they're going to keep leaving until the end

and they made it difficult to the end. Just two or three things with this, Matt, the first being so much chat about Arsenal, how they attack and the flair that they have and how they use it this season that actually their defensive stability is not, whilst it was talked about a lot last year, hasn't been mentioned that much. I mean, they've only conceded three in all competitions now this season.

Yeah, it's almost like it's a given. And it isn't. And I agree. I think it takes a lot of work. I think the players are really stepping up as we know they can. I think, you know, the Silibe signing a new deal and, you know, the options that, they have at fullback position,

Califiori, Lewis Skelly battling it out, Ben White and Tim, but I think he's got great competition. Chappas, I will say that there's magnificent competition across that defensive line with the fullbacks for sure. The two centre backs are so well drilled and well organised and know each other's game and they're the real cornerstone of the team.

But the one that jumps out for me is Martinelli. The reaction that they've had out of him from signing in Eze, from Maduecki coming in, he looks like he is hungry to prove himself in every single game. Three goals and an assist this season for Martinelli, so that's more than any other Arsenal player. Exactly. And that for me has to be a reaction. You know, you bring these players in and you expect great things from them. But actually, you can end up getting more from the ones you already have if they react in the way that Martinelli has. And I think credit to him, he's, he knows he's got a fight and scrap for a place in the team at the moment because the competition's

really, really high and he has done that exceptionally well. So, you know, well, well done Martinelli. I thought the other thing tonight was you sort of saw real glimpses of them playing to Yoccarez's strengths tonight. There were two or three, there was one, I think it was actually for the, for the Martelli goal, but Odegaard's ball into the channel for Yocer's to run onto and brush the defenders off felt very much like the kind of moves that he benefited from for sporting Lisbon. Yeah, I agree. That is his strength and I think the only game I've really seen him,

you know, Arsenal playing that way was the game when he scored two at home at the Emirates. I can't remember who was against. I was there. Leeds? Yeah, I think it was Leeds, you're right. And they played early, one touch. He went into midfield and it was that kind of of pass where it wasn't measured, it was just knew the space was there and just spun it in behind straight away. They're the passes that he loves. He'll just get onto them all day and he'll work those channels and he'll build up some momentum and get into the game. I think when they play a little bit short and it's tidy and it's neat, sharp passing, he maybe doesn't

quite feel as involved and you just get a little bit of a dampened version of what he can offer. So playing more to his strengths at the right times, I think, is going to benefit them in terms of scoring goals and definitely stretching teams as well. It will give other players more space to come in and have opportunities to score. But, you know, he's still finding his feet chappers in a team that, you know, it's going to be interesting to see how it really does pan out with Yokoresh and Arsenal, whether they actually do get the return that they were looking for in terms of goals from him. Paris Sashman 1-2-1 in Barcelona.

Chris, your tips to win it are off to a good start. No, you know, I've gone early, as I, you know, always, always do as the great tipses do. They, you know, like to go early and be proven right. I've tipped them last season. I've gone for them again. There you go. What they did, what they did, I know you haven't seen it at them. But actually, what they did say, they did it without their front three from the Champions League final,

who were all out injured, Duay and Dembele and Coverscalia. And, you know, when you, I mean, you know, Matt's actually right about Arsenal. You look at their strength in depth, their bench tonight, but, you know, PSG, they're, you know, great, great young players and the squad depth is, is sensation. It's going to be, it's going to be fascinating in the Champions League this season. You know, which are the, which of the, you know, Premier League teams are going to go the furthest, you know, whether they can balance, you know, the Premier League up with the Champions League, you know, whose squads are deep enough and strong enough. but no, PSG are going to take some beating. Marcus Rashford, who set up one of the goals set after, has been a really good start for me at Barcelona.

This club is very demanding, though, and that includes winning games. But for me, it has been a good start. Thank you, Matt, for the half hour. Thank you. Thank you very much. See you soon. Chris, if you interview Eric Dower on the way out, make sure you stand on a box.

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