Football Daily - UCL Debrief: Liverpool end winless run as Chelsea’s teenagers shine
Episode Date: October 22, 2025Liverpool came from behind in Frankfurt to avoid a fifth consecutive defeat, Chelsea’s teenage trio Marc Guiu, Estêvão, and Tyrique George scored as they eased past ten-man Ajax and Spurs remained... unbeaten in the Champions League with a goalless draw in Monaco. Alistair Bruce-Ball is joined by Paul Robinson and Pat Nevin to react to the night’s games. Conor McNamara and Liverpool fan Abigail Rudkin join us to reflect on a big win for Arne Slot’s side against Eintracht Frankfurt, with Ekitike, van Dijk, Konaté, Gakpo and Szoboszlai on the score sheet in Germany. We’re at Stamford Bridge where Chelsea swept Ajax aside with ease despite Enzo Maresca making ten changes to his side. And are Tottenham lucky to still be unbeaten in the Champions League? Maz Farookhi has the details of their draw with Monaco. Plus, John Bennett joins us with news of goals for Jude Bellingham and Harry Kane. Timecodes: 01:04 – Eintracht Frankfurt 1-5 Liverpool 06:32 – Liverpool fan Abigail Rudkin 14:12 – Arne Slot reaction 16:10 – Chelsea 5-1 Ajax 23:16 – Monaco 0-0 Tottenham Hotspur 26:45 – Jude Bellingham off the mark and Harry Kane scores againCommentaries this week: Thursday 23rd October EUROPA LEAGUE: Brann v Rangers 1745 KO - SPORTS EXTRA CONFERENCE LEAGUE: AEK Athens v Aberdeen 1745 KO - SPORTS EXTRA 2 EUROPA LEAGUE: Celtic v Sturm Graz 2000 KO - SPORTS EXTRASaturday 25th October PREMIER LEAGUE: Chelsea v Sunderland 1500 KO - 5 LIVE PREMIER LEAGUE: Newcastle v Fulham 1500 KO - SPORTS EXTRA PREMIER LEAGUE: Manchester United v Brighton 1730 KO - 5 LIVE WOMENS INTERNATIONALS: England v Brazil 1730 KO - SPORTS EXTRASunday 26th October PREMIER LEAGUE: Arsenal v Crystal Palace 1400 KO - 5 LIVE PREMIER LEAGUE: Aston Villa v Manchester City 1400 KO - SPORTS EXTRA PREMIER LEAGUE: Bournemouth v Nottingham Forest 1400 KO - SPORTS EXTRA 2 PREMIER LEAGUE: Wolves v Burnley 1400 KO - SPORTS EXTRA 3 PREMIER LEAGUE: Everton v Spurs 1630 KO - 5 LIVE
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                                        So that is the third round of Champions League football done and dusted in the league phase this season.
                                         
                                        Another eventful night, four English sides in the competition.
                                         
                                        Liverpool came from behind to avoid a fifth consecutive defeat in all competitions
                                         
    
                                        and did it in style with a big win away to Frankfurt.
                                         
                                        Chelsea of Breeze past Iax here at Stamford Bridge,
                                         
                                        who played 75 minutes of the match with 10 men.
                                         
                                        We've just seen a really nice scene actually of Jarrell Hato.
                                         
                                        signed for Chelsea from Iax this summer went to go
                                         
                                        and take the applause from the Iax fans.
                                         
                                        Really nice moment in the pouring rain here at Stamford Bridge
                                         
                                        and Tottenham, lucky we're here to take a point in Monaco
                                         
    
                                        where it finished nil-nil.
                                         
                                        So we'll round it all up in the next half hour,
                                         
                                        former England and Tottenham goalkeeper Paul Robinson
                                         
                                        alongside me here at Stanford Bridge,
                                         
                                        former Chelsea and Scotland winger Pat Nevin is with us as well.
                                         
                                        Let's start with Liverpool then.
                                         
                                        big story of the night, I reckon 5-1 winners in Frankfurt.
                                         
                                        Connor McNamara was watching this one for us.
                                         
    
                                        Yes, Liverpool have stopped the rot and their fans will feel much relieved.
                                         
                                        That prospect of losing five in a row, which they haven't done for 72 years.
                                         
                                        It seemed scarily real early on when the former leads fallback, Rasmus Christensen gave the German club the lead.
                                         
                                        But then Liverpool soon got their act together.
                                         
                                        Poor defending from Frankfurt allowed Hugo Eckertique to score against his old club.
                                         
                                        He made a big deal of not celebrating in front of the supporters who used to cheer him on.
                                         
                                        Arnestlott had made five changes to his starting line-up from the defeated home to Manchester United.
                                         
                                        Eketike being one of them with Salah on the bench.
                                         
    
                                        But once back to 1-1, Liverpool visibly relaxed.
                                         
                                        It was 3-1 to the visitors by half-time.
                                         
                                        Having not scored from a corner all season, Liverpool got two from corner kicks in five minutes.
                                         
                                        Both headers from Virgil Van Dyke and Ibrahim Khanate.
                                         
                                        Van Dyke celebrating his 30th goal for the club.
                                         
                                        into the second half Liverpool started to enjoy themselves.
                                         
                                        Kiezer replaced Isak, who was denied by two saves of the first period.
                                         
                                        Cody Gakbo made it 4-1.
                                         
    
                                        That one was set up by Florian Virds, only his second assist since joining Liverpool
                                         
                                        before Dominic Saboslai got the 5th.
                                         
                                        Tomorrow is October 23rd.
                                         
                                        This is Liverpool's first win since September 23rd.
                                         
                                        Yeah, so Pat Nevin, that stops the rot for Liverpool in convincing fashion.
                                         
                                        In terms of tonight's performance compared to recent performances,
                                         
                                        is what stood out for you?
                                         
                                        It was kind of grown up.
                                         
    
                                        It's kind of very mature.
                                         
                                        It didn't seem to be panicked.
                                         
                                        Even when they went one-nill-down,
                                         
                                        it didn't look like that way.
                                         
                                        There was an energy as well about the team.
                                         
                                        So that kind of helped quite a bit.
                                         
                                        But they were playing against a side who gave away
                                         
                                        just chance after chance, after chance.
                                         
    
                                        I mentioned to Chappers earlier on
                                         
                                        before the game started,
                                         
                                        the average goals per game in the games in track of players were playing.
                                         
                                        is 6.4 this season.
                                         
                                        Well, we've got six this time.
                                         
                                        And five of them for Liverpool.
                                         
                                        And they're just so open.
                                         
                                        There's a limitation to the capabilities with defending.
                                         
    
                                        And Liverpool made good use of it.
                                         
                                        And to be fair, it was a big call that it had to make to leave Salo on the bench.
                                         
                                        I hesitate to say the word drop.
                                         
                                        But it kind of was, wasn't it?
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        Because he hadn't done well enough.
                                         
                                        So I asked Paul that question during commentary here at Stanford Bridge.
                                         
                                        do you think that's a game tonight
                                         
    
                                        Sala would have had joy in anyway
                                         
                                        or do you think looking ahead to the next
                                         
                                        Premier League game you could see a Premier League
                                         
                                        starting 11 without Mo Sala
                                         
                                        in it which would be very unusual
                                         
                                        it would be very unusual and it's
                                         
                                        I'm one of these people who's
                                         
                                        all for equality and honesty
                                         
    
                                        and just if you're
                                         
                                        the best player for that moment you play
                                         
                                        and it doesn't matter what your name is
                                         
                                        and for a wee while it hasn't been
                                         
                                        Mo Sala in that team
                                         
                                        just hasn't been in your
                                         
                                        I mean, we all know how fabulous is,
                                         
                                        we all know how much you love him,
                                         
    
                                        we all know his capabilities of bringing it on
                                         
                                        and suddenly scoring a phenomenal amount of goals
                                         
                                        in a short period of time.
                                         
                                        But for that period of time,
                                         
                                        if you are the players sitting behind them,
                                         
                                        you're thinking, well, come on, give him a chance.
                                         
                                        I mean, we need to do something else.
                                         
                                        And if you've lost those four games in a row
                                         
    
                                        and you've just won this one,
                                         
                                        is it a shock if he's not starting the next game?
                                         
                                        I'm afraid not.
                                         
                                        Certainly a lot of the people I spoke to
                                         
                                        in the immediate aftermath of the game,
                                         
                                        we're sort of wondering,
                                         
                                        is Slot going to be brave enough to leave out Sala?
                                         
                                        Because clearly he was operating below the standards we're used to.
                                         
    
                                        Eccity kick comes on, looks much more sharp.
                                         
                                        Even Frimpong when he was delivering from that right-hand side
                                         
                                        playing up like a right winger.
                                         
                                        I think it's a brave move when things go right.
                                         
                                        Of course, it's greatly satisfying.
                                         
                                        Can you imagine the scenario where Liverpool had lost tonight?
                                         
                                        Remember, they were 1-0 down.
                                         
                                        He had dropped Sala, you know, where could he go from there?
                                         
    
                                        But now, you know, it re-establishes him, I think,
                                         
                                        as the top man, the decision maker.
                                         
                                        Five changes. The players who came in all played well.
                                         
                                        Curtis McAllister in the midfield particularly well.
                                         
                                        I saw stat that it was the best past completion rate of any Liverpool player
                                         
                                        in any Champions League game since records began.
                                         
                                        That's how neat and tidy he was on the ball.
                                         
                                        I thought Andy Robertson did really well at left back
                                         
    
                                        because Kirkas has been criticised quite a lot in that position.
                                         
                                        The only perhaps disappointment was Alexander Resak from a Liverpool point of view.
                                         
                                        Two decent chances in the first half couldn't take them
                                         
                                        and they actually looked better once he'd been replaced by
                                         
                                        Keezer. So Paul Robinson, that's an interesting one, isn't it? Because Eckertique, since he's
                                         
                                        joining the summer, has looked super sharp. Alexander Isak hasn't been totally at it yet. So maybe
                                         
                                        he could be the one we could see make way at the weekend. Well, he's got to make big decisions
                                         
                                        and he made one tonight, didn't he? Mo Salab been left out at the side, you know, dress it
                                         
    
                                        how you want, drop, left out, rested, whatever it may be. But when you've got that amount of
                                         
                                        talent, you've got to find a way that they all complement each other at the same time. I mean,
                                         
                                        And yes, I mean, they're unbelievable players in their own right,
                                         
                                        but you've got to make the team, the star, with those unbelievable players in it.
                                         
                                        And you've got to find a way of playing in which works for all of those individually,
                                         
                                        but collectively as a team, you've got to have them all playing well.
                                         
                                        And that's, I think, listen, I think you know,
                                         
                                        you're not to throw the baby out of the bathwater this early on in the season.
                                         
    
                                        I think a lot's been made out of Liverpool because of the standard that they've set themselves.
                                         
                                        And, you know, four defeats on a bounce is unheard of when they've got all this attacking quality.
                                         
                                        But they are a team that are in transition.
                                         
                                        whether you like it or not, you look at the amount of players
                                         
                                        that they're brought in, any team it would take a while
                                         
                                        for those players to bed in. Well, let's welcome
                                         
                                        Liverpool fan Abigail Rugkin.
                                         
                                        Hi, Abigail.
                                         
    
                                        Hi. In terms of that conversation, then, with what
                                         
                                        you've seen tonight, well, what
                                         
                                        do you think at the moment is Liverpool's
                                         
                                        best sort of attacking front four?
                                         
                                        To be honest, I think Slot was quite brave to
                                         
                                        Bench Salah tonight, and I think he's definitely
                                         
                                        dropped him. I don't think it was anything of
                                         
                                        resting him for Brentford. I think this was a
                                         
    
                                        must-win game. We had no choice.
                                         
                                        here, there was no way we could lose five on the
                                         
                                        bount and at the end of the day
                                         
                                        Sal has been selfish in games, he's been
                                         
                                        shut out of games, you know, teams just
                                         
                                        seem to know how to play against them, so
                                         
                                        for me it's just felt as though he's at
                                         
                                        to start his strongest, and for me,
                                         
    
                                        Eka TK has been our strongest
                                         
                                        attack and power at the minute, Isak
                                         
                                        hasn't done what we wanted them to do,
                                         
                                        Sal has been off form. Cody Gakpo,
                                         
                                        to be honest, I think he's getting quite a bit of hate
                                         
                                        from the fans, but I think he's been quite
                                         
                                        all right, to be honest, I thought he looked well tonight.
                                         
                                        So, when it comes to it,
                                         
    
                                        I just think we need to try and keep Echitke in the side when we can
                                         
                                        and hopefully try and get more out of VISA if we can.
                                         
                                        But tonight, that was just a breath of fresh air for Liverpool fans
                                         
                                        to be able to see us actually score a few goals and win a game comfortably.
                                         
                                        What about Vietz tonight, Abigail?
                                         
                                        What did you make of him?
                                         
                                        Do you know what?
                                         
                                        I thought he was absolutely brilliant and I think it was lovely to be able to see and be able to sort of,
                                         
    
                                        you know, he gets two assists and I understand they were easy passes for him to make.
                                         
                                        But, you know, stuff like that's massive.
                                         
                                        for confidence in players
                                         
                                        and I think we had a pitch
                                         
                                        full of players
                                         
                                        whose confidences were on the floor
                                         
                                        to be honest so tonight
                                         
                                        that was exactly what they needed
                                         
    
                                        and for VERS to be able to go and do that
                                         
                                        I'm hoping to be honest
                                         
                                        he can kick on now
                                         
                                        because there's been that thing over him
                                         
                                        social media interviews and stuff like that
                                         
                                        where it's just been questions over him
                                         
                                        and can he contribute assists and goals
                                         
                                        and stuff like that so hopefully
                                         
    
                                        this will sort of give Verte
                                         
                                        that little bit of confidence now
                                         
                                        but I thought he looked really sharp
                                         
                                        he was really involved
                                         
                                        now I've been able to see Liverpool quite a bit recently down at Chelsea over in Galatasaray
                                         
                                        and they weren't that bad although they were losing those games
                                         
                                        here's the question Mo Salah do you actually bring them on as an impact player now
                                         
                                        would that be better when teams are getting tired near the end of games
                                         
    
                                        a little bit of space is being developed and A do you do that and B
                                         
                                        would he accept it
                                         
                                        gosh that just feels like we're sort of right in mouth
                                         
                                        Salah off towards the end of his career
                                         
                                        now in my mind for him to become
                                         
                                        an impact player for Liverpool, it just feels wrong
                                         
                                        because I don't know, I just think
                                         
                                        with Liverpool fans we just assume
                                         
    
                                        that he's going to kick on eventually, he's going to have
                                         
                                        that moment where he just goes on a run
                                         
                                        and he's able to get goals and he'll go back to
                                         
                                        his normal self, but that just hasn't
                                         
                                        happened and we've got no choice now, but
                                         
                                        to move on and look for life
                                         
                                        without Mo Salah maybe. I know
                                         
                                        that sounds quite harsh, so maybe
                                         
    
                                        he does have to be an impact player, but he'd come on at the
                                         
                                        end of that game tonight and we looked
                                         
                                        worse for him coming on. He was selfish
                                         
                                        again, you know, he didn't take a lot of his chances,
                                         
                                        you know, he didn't look that
                                         
                                        sharp when he come on, to be fair, so I don't
                                         
                                        know whether we'd have other players
                                         
                                        there. That could maybe, you know, Kiezer,
                                         
    
                                        possibly, that there's lots of other players
                                         
                                        there. I don't know. I know I sound like I've lost hope
                                         
                                        in Mosala and maybe he'll
                                         
                                        prove me wrong, and against Brentford, you
                                         
                                        never know, but it's just one of those things
                                         
                                        where maybe you are right, but as a Liverpool
                                         
                                        fan, I don't want to admit that that's
                                         
                                        the transition we're going to have with Mosala now,
                                         
    
                                        where he's sort of going to move into that for the last two
                                         
                                        years of that contract. Abigo, you said must win. That was must win for Liverpool
                                         
                                        tonight. In what sense, do you mean in terms of the fixtures they've got coming up in the
                                         
                                        Champions League of tough? I mean, I know Liverpool aren't used to losing four or five games
                                         
                                        in a row. I get it was must win in that sense. But had they lost this? Why did you
                                         
                                        describe it as must win? Well, there's loads of reasons why it's must win. Like you've just
                                         
                                        said, like that record, there's no way we can go on to have five losses in a row. That
                                         
                                        would have just been a sickener for the manager.
                                         
    
                                        for Van Dyke as the captain and for the whole team to be honest
                                         
                                        but you don't want to be going back into the Premier League
                                         
                                        with another loss over your head you know going to
                                         
                                        you know we are only four points behind you want to try and stay in that title
                                         
                                        race none of us have lost hope just yet
                                         
                                        there's all these things that we want to try and go for we don't want to be
                                         
                                        not in any competition you know what I mean this early on
                                         
                                        it was a must win if you lose that you never know where you're going to be
                                         
    
                                        in that Champions League table and stuff like that you don't want a harsher draw
                                         
                                        as it goes along hopefully if we're still
                                         
                                        been in it and not dropped into being
                                         
                                        out of it. So there's all those sort of
                                         
                                        implications around it, but
                                         
                                        you know, the Champions League's a priority for me
                                         
                                        this season. I really want us to go on
                                         
                                        and win it. That's possibly my
                                         
    
                                        priority. So there's that, there's
                                         
                                        just wanting to get those points on that Champions
                                         
                                        League table and to just go into that
                                         
                                        game on Saturday just with a
                                         
                                        better mindset with players that feel more
                                         
                                        confident. You know, even Van Dyke and Canarte
                                         
                                        getting those heads, just stuff like that's
                                         
                                        that'll give them a boost because we've been
                                         
    
                                        criticised, defensively, massively. Canard
                                         
                                        he's getting a lot of abuse at the minute for not signing his contract
                                         
                                        and stuff like that, a few bad performances.
                                         
                                        So there's all those little moments that were just really necessary
                                         
                                        and felt as though they'd be able to pick up this team
                                         
                                        and carry us forward, hopefully.
                                         
                                        Okay, Abigail, thank you very much indeed
                                         
                                        for speaking to us on Five Live and the Football Daily.
                                         
    
                                        In terms of that Champions League table that Abigail was talking about,
                                         
                                        Liverpool on six points with a whole host of teams
                                         
                                        sitting in 10th spot at the moment,
                                         
                                        so just outside that top eight.
                                         
                                        Paul Robinson, this is Virgil,
                                         
                                        Van Dyke speaking to TV after the game
                                         
                                        tonight. I don't know if it's a statement
                                         
                                        he's talking in terms of the result
                                         
    
                                        but it's a win so on to the next one. I don't think
                                         
                                        it's a relief but we're all disappointed to be losing
                                         
                                        games. It's not something that's happened in
                                         
                                        my time losing four in a row
                                         
                                        but we've had to come together and deal
                                         
                                        with it as a team. On
                                         
                                        not keeping a clean sheet we try, we
                                         
                                        keep working so hard but it's about how
                                         
    
                                        you react winning games and improving
                                         
                                        it sounds like a cliche but that's all we have
                                         
                                        in our minds. They've conceded
                                         
                                        first in five games in a
                                         
                                        So we're talking a lot, Paul, about the attacking strength of Liverpool and what they should do and how slot should work that.
                                         
                                        But actually, the back's not sorted at the moment yet, is it?
                                         
                                        Well, defensively, they have been susceptible.
                                         
                                        Canate's not being at the level that we would expect.
                                         
    
                                        Alison missing, Marmadashvili coming in.
                                         
                                        Obviously, Alison missing, the continuity, the understanding that's brought there.
                                         
                                        But listen, all this talk about Mo Salah and he's on the decline.
                                         
                                        I mean, what are we with, seven or eight games into a season?
                                         
                                        Everybody can have a blip.
                                         
                                        Yes, listen, you also forget, you know, the, you know,
                                         
                                        their trauma and the absolute disaster
                                         
                                        that happened to Liverpool in the summer
                                         
    
                                        with Jogo Jota and we know how close
                                         
                                        that Mo Salah was to him and the impact
                                         
                                        that that's had on Liverpool Football Club
                                         
                                        there's a lot of mitigating circumstances
                                         
                                        and to look at Mo Salah and to say
                                         
                                        oh you know he's gone he's not he's not
                                         
                                        look at his figures last year look at the way that he played
                                         
                                        year and year out people can have
                                         
    
                                        quickly come in I didn't say that at any point in time
                                         
                                        well I'm saying for the moment in his play
                                         
                                        do you leave him on the field
                                         
                                        or do you use them as them in pack for the moment?
                                         
                                        That's very different from writing them off.
                                         
                                        And by the way, and we can also see exactly what you are saying,
                                         
                                        which is, if you leave him out for a while, it has two effects.
                                         
                                        A, rest, B, a chance to look from the side and think,
                                         
    
                                        right, I need to get back to it again.
                                         
                                        Well, when you get to his age, there's, you know,
                                         
                                        farther time, as we know, catches up with everybody.
                                         
                                        But there's a way of, you know, you integrate players.
                                         
                                        You look at that team of players that they've got on all the players,
                                         
                                        the money that they spent in the summer.
                                         
                                        Mosella's not a guaranteed starter
                                         
                                        and if you're going to compete for Liverpool
                                         
    
                                        places and Liverpool are going to compete
                                         
                                        at the top of the league at the top of the Champions League
                                         
                                        you have to be at your level
                                         
                                        week in and week out and when he's got that squad of players
                                         
                                        you've got to be expected
                                         
                                        to be rotated in and out of it
                                         
                                        a good night then for Arna Slot
                                         
                                        let's hear from him
                                         
    
                                        we were able the last few weeks to create
                                         
                                        many many many many chances
                                         
                                        but unfortunately not always
                                         
                                        able to score them
                                         
                                        and today with Alex
                                         
                                        and Hugo I brought two plays
                                         
                                        on the pitch who are usually able to score goals.
                                         
                                        Alex was a few times close, but had to go off at half-time,
                                         
    
                                        and that's, yeah, it's not something you ask,
                                         
                                        but that's the difficult balance we are having with him.
                                         
                                        So when he came, he hardly had trained.
                                         
                                        So you bring him step by step forward,
                                         
                                        and then you feel like, yeah, there must be a moment
                                         
                                        where he can play twice a week,
                                         
                                        and the first time we try, he did this in Sweden as well,
                                         
                                        but the first time we try, he has to go off.
                                         
    
                                        and that's hope that is not that bad but he has to go off because he felt his groin so yeah
                                         
                                        many people probably wanted me to play him more and I we had to find the balance and unfortunately
                                         
                                        today that balance didn't work out for us perfectly but let's hope for the best both of them
                                         
                                        did what I was hoping for making runs in behind making sure you're a big threat and both of them
                                         
                                        did well.
                                         
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                                        So Liverpool sitting 10th in that Champions League table at the moment.
                                         
                                        In the top eight automatic qualification spots for the last 16 right now,
                                         
    
                                        you've got PSG Bayern into Arsenal and Rail Madrid,
                                         
                                        all who've won three out of three.
                                         
                                        Rail Madrid beat Yuvay 1-0 tonight.
                                         
                                        Barusia, Dortmund, Manchester City on 7 and Newcastle on 6.
                                         
                                        Chelsea Paul just tucked in behind Liverpool in 11th spot an absolute cruise for them at
                                         
                                        Stanford Bridge they beat Iax 5-1 we felt they were strong favourites for the game it was made
                                         
                                        massively easier for them by the red card for Kenneth Taylor in the 17th minute
                                         
                                        Enzo Moreska made 10 changes for the game what do you think he has he has learnt this
                                         
    
                                        evening Enzo Moreska well he left himself wide open for criticism if they didn't get a result
                                         
                                        tonight, but I think everything went his way.
                                         
                                        I think the players on the pitch, they performed for him.
                                         
                                        These are players that don't necessarily start
                                         
                                        week in and week out, and we saw it last year
                                         
                                        with Chelsea, rotating the two
                                         
                                        squads between the European competition and the Premier League.
                                         
                                        And because of the situation
                                         
    
                                        IAX were in both domestically and in the Champions
                                         
                                        League, they're at a low ebb. It gave him the
                                         
                                        opportunity to make those ten changes tonight.
                                         
                                        And those players that actually came into the
                                         
                                        side tonight, to a man. Every
                                         
                                        one of them has made a case.
                                         
                                        And it shows now that they're getting experience,
                                         
                                        Esteval, Gittens,
                                         
    
                                        Lavia, they're getting more game time, Champions League game time.
                                         
                                        Hey, too, came in at Left Back.
                                         
                                        I thought he was outstanding.
                                         
                                        I thought he played really well.
                                         
                                        There wasn't a bigger test for Chelsea, in all honesty, defensively,
                                         
                                        but they played against an IAC side who still posed the threat,
                                         
                                        and they did a job with a massively changed side.
                                         
                                        The manager will be delighted with what he's seen.
                                         
    
                                        Pat, the other thing that struck me is that Chelsea's kids
                                         
                                        looked like they were having a load of fun tonight.
                                         
                                        Oh, what a joy it is to come on in a game against a team that are a big-ish name,
                                         
                                        in iax but they're not very good
                                         
                                        they're 20-10 men
                                         
                                        and you go ahead so
                                         
                                        it's amazing how much easier the game of football is
                                         
                                        when you're ahead and you're kind of cruising like that
                                         
    
                                        and it was lovely to see them
                                         
                                        but the nice thing is what Paul was saying there
                                         
                                        every one of them looks so comfortable
                                         
                                        on the ball don't they I mean it's just like
                                         
                                        this production line you know they turned up
                                         
                                        and they've got this 360 vision
                                         
                                        they're picking out passes they've great understanding
                                         
                                        with each other
                                         
    
                                        it was lovely to look up
                                         
                                        without getting carried away
                                         
                                        I don't think
                                         
                                        mainly will play against Barcelona
                                         
                                        I think that's a possibility
                                         
                                        they might struggle
                                         
                                        to get a game now
                                         
                                        but I was maybe one above all
                                         
    
                                        I think
                                         
                                        obviously I'll go on about this to Val
                                         
                                        you know I feel the same as Paul about it
                                         
                                        and always have done since he's came at Chelsea
                                         
                                        and even before
                                         
                                        but Tyree George
                                         
                                        what a lovely moment for him because
                                         
                                        you know Chelsea
                                         
    
                                        he thought he was getting real decent
                                         
                                        chances and suddenly Chelsea
                                         
                                        to buy two centre forwards and he thinks, well, that's me finished.
                                         
                                        I'll be, you know, sent out as, well, usually, Al-Qamar or somewhere with that.
                                         
                                        But no, he comes on and gets another chance tonight and scores these goals.
                                         
                                        And he looked very, very good in that position.
                                         
                                        So, yeah, among the others, you know, Tyree jobs looked really, really good.
                                         
                                        And I was delighted for him.
                                         
    
                                        Just on what Pat's talking about there, Paul,
                                         
                                        in terms of sort of trying to become a regular first-team starter,
                                         
                                        Premier League, big games against Barcelona.
                                         
                                        Esterval must be getting to that point.
                                         
                                        the football he's producing.
                                         
                                        It has to be.
                                         
                                        I mean, like I said to you,
                                         
                                        pre-game and during the game,
                                         
    
                                        to his detriment,
                                         
                                        he's such a fantastic asset to have on the bench.
                                         
                                        He's such an impact to have.
                                         
                                        His pace, his directness.
                                         
                                        He is what's called a game change.
                                         
                                        He's a massive game changer.
                                         
                                        But now he's shown the ability.
                                         
                                        He's started a couple of games.
                                         
    
                                        He started tonight,
                                         
                                        and he played the full game tonight,
                                         
                                        and he walked off with a man on the match tournament,
                                         
                                        trophy beneath us.
                                         
                                        And I just thought his desire,
                                         
                                        his commitment,
                                         
                                        he's just a bundle of energy,
                                         
                                        but it's quality.
                                         
    
                                        He works extremely hard, but he works extremely sensibly.
                                         
                                        And everything he does is forward-thinking.
                                         
                                        He gets the fans on the edge of the seat.
                                         
                                        He plays on the left-hand side.
                                         
                                        Sorry, the right-hand side is left foot.
                                         
                                        He cuts in.
                                         
                                        He wants to take his defender.
                                         
                                        And his first touch when he gets the ball, he's always forward.
                                         
    
                                        He wants to look to put a ball in the box.
                                         
                                        He wants to look to get past his defender.
                                         
                                        I mean, he's only 18 years old.
                                         
                                        Like you say, he scored for Brazil in the week as well.
                                         
                                        And the experience and the quality that he's getting at this age.
                                         
                                        I mean, he's going to be some, some player.
                                         
                                        Pat, six English teams in this league phase this season
                                         
                                        and this week, five of them have won comfortably
                                         
    
                                        we're going to talk about Monaco, Neil, Tottenham, Nill in just a second.
                                         
                                        It's tough as well, though. We've seen it tonight.
                                         
                                        So Jarrell Hato playing for Chelsea, can't get a regular game here,
                                         
                                        used to play for IACs, who would absolutely still love to have him.
                                         
                                        It just goes to prove, doesn't it, right in front of us here,
                                         
                                        the advantage that these English clubs have over so much of the competition.
                                         
                                        Yeah, I mean, for phenomenal the money,
                                         
                                        they can actually, you know, spend
                                         
    
                                        and spend on backup,
                                         
                                        which, you know, you can only dream of.
                                         
                                        I think Hatto is probably Iyx's best player.
                                         
                                        And he comes to Chelsea, and he's not getting a game
                                         
                                        very often. And he has a very, very good player
                                         
                                        and he will become an even better player.
                                         
                                        So, yeah, it's tough you look around Europe.
                                         
                                        But on the other hand, you know,
                                         
    
                                        you need to appreciate your smallness as well.
                                         
                                        And you also need to remember these teams,
                                         
                                        like Chelsea's in, you know, Manchester United's or Liverpool's,
                                         
                                        they spend a lot of money buying off these clubs.
                                         
                                        It's all about re-using that money well.
                                         
                                        I mean, we heard earlier on,
                                         
                                        we were talking about IACs.
                                         
                                        Ayax have got a huge sums of money
                                         
    
                                        over the years. Well, it's about
                                         
                                        using that money well when you get
                                         
                                        it in because English clubs, yeah,
                                         
                                        they've got all the money, they buy all the players,
                                         
                                        but they spend the money on it, so use it well.
                                         
                                        We've talked about Chelsea and like
                                         
                                        spending money, like there are two billion since
                                         
                                        Bowley's coming and they've bought young players with
                                         
    
                                        potential and talent, but actually tonight,
                                         
                                        I don't know what you think, but I think we saw
                                         
                                        a lot of that potential that's come to the forefrey,
                                         
                                        were the players that played.
                                         
                                        You can kind of feel it.
                                         
                                        I mean, when they first came in,
                                         
                                        I understood, it was about six or seven games in.
                                         
                                        I thought, oh, no, I know what you're doing now.
                                         
    
                                        I thought, I'll give you two years.
                                         
                                        And then two years I'll make a decision on it.
                                         
                                        And at the end of the second season there,
                                         
                                        I'm thinking, yeah, and I can see it's working.
                                         
                                        I mean, they weren't taking chances.
                                         
                                        You know that thing where you go and buy a young player
                                         
                                        in like Brighton do,
                                         
                                        and they get them quite cheap, and it's amazing.
                                         
    
                                        Chelsea don't.
                                         
                                        They go and buy somebody for one.
                                         
                                        millions, you know, and you know, it's not that difficult to do if you've got that
                                         
                                        amount of money. But it's also a smart plan if it works out and you've got that group of
                                         
                                        players together for six, seven, eight years and growing up together. As long as you can keep
                                         
                                        them hungry. And at the moment, there's no lack of hunger there. That absolutely isn't.
                                         
                                        A quick few Chelsea's stats before we move it on to Monaco Spurs. So in Mark Guillaume, Estavow
                                         
                                        and Tyreek George, Chelsea, the first side in UEFA Champions League history to see three
                                         
    
                                        different teenagers score for them in a single game.
                                         
                                        Mark Giu was Chelsea's youngest ever Champions League scorer for 33 minutes before
                                         
                                        Esteval's penalty.
                                         
                                        I like that one.
                                         
                                        Only four players have scored Champions League goals for two different sides as teenagers.
                                         
                                        Mbapé, Harland, Ilene Cana and Mark Giu, who of course scored for Barcelona against Antwerp.
                                         
                                        Right, there were not any goals in Monaco, nil-nil between Monaco and Spurs.
                                         
                                        the story of that one, Mas Faruqi?
                                         
    
                                        Well, how Spurs remain unbeaten
                                         
                                        in the Champions League this season really
                                         
                                        is the big question from what was in truth
                                         
                                        a very forgettable match for Tottenham
                                         
                                        in Monaco. Guillermo Vicario
                                         
                                        far and away the standout
                                         
                                        Spurs player of the match. He made eight
                                         
                                        saves as Monaco peppered him
                                         
    
                                        with chances in the Spurs area
                                         
                                        but they never found the bottom corner or just
                                         
                                        inside the post with their chances. All their
                                         
                                        efforts pretty much came to the Spurs
                                         
                                        keeper at a decent height
                                         
                                        and at a decent pace so that he was able
                                         
                                        to make the blocks.
                                         
                                        For Thomas Frank,
                                         
    
                                        he made all five of his subs
                                         
                                        in the second half
                                         
                                        to try and change
                                         
                                        the direction of the game
                                         
                                        and they didn't have an effect.
                                         
                                        Sa, Simons,
                                         
                                        Johnson, Colomouani
                                         
                                        and Spence not changing
                                         
    
                                        the momentum of the game at all.
                                         
                                        And Odebert looked to leave the field
                                         
                                        in the second half
                                         
                                        with an injury as well.
                                         
                                        So that's another one
                                         
                                        to add to a growing list
                                         
                                        for the Spurs boss
                                         
                                        ahead of what is not an easy list
                                         
    
                                        of fixtures coming up with
                                         
                                        first up Everton on Sunday.
                                         
                                        Monaco will reflect
                                         
                                        on what were two drop points.
                                         
                                        for them tonight but Spurs got away with one holding on for a point and a
                                         
                                        nil-0 draw. Yeah, still unbeaten in the Champions League and sitting 15th in
                                         
                                        the table. Paul Robinson two wins in the last seven games after a really bright
                                         
                                        start of the season just got to give it time. Oh absolutely I mean listen I was
                                         
    
                                        delighted when Thomas Frank was appointed and you know he's he's a builder you
                                         
                                        look at the the squad that he's inherited and you can see his fingerprints are on it
                                         
                                        the how tactically diverse he is he's able to adapt in games and you are
                                         
                                        seeing a different Tottenham. It's not, it's work in progress. It's not going to happen overnight.
                                         
                                        Yes, he's inherited a squad. Players have been brought in.
                                         
                                        I don't think that will end up being a bad result for them a drawaway in Monaco.
                                         
                                        When you look at the rest of their Champions League fixtures,
                                         
                                        they play at home to Copenhagen, at home to Slavio, Prague,
                                         
    
                                        Dortmund at home, and they go to Frankfurt, and obviously PSG is going to be the tricky one.
                                         
                                        But actually, there's five game, four games in there, three home games,
                                         
                                        very, very winnable. And they could actually see themselves through to the next stage of the Champions League.
                                         
                                        Have you seen much of them this season, Pam?
                                         
                                        Spurs? Not in the flesh but I do keep a close eye on as much as I possibly can. It's much with Thomas Frank. I think we're all excited about what he can do at Spurs and you know that that's that's steer that he's taking him on to be a more sensible looking group you know and it just looked a bit spursy. I hate saying that but it's kind of true. They're a wee bit like that but they don't look spursy under Thomas Frank. They look a wee bit more you know settled.
                                         
                                        and just look at that game
                                         
                                        Monaco-0-0 people will kind of
                                         
                                        sneer and think oh well
                                         
    
                                        all their teams are hammering the opposition
                                         
                                        Monaco are a tough not to crack
                                         
                                        this is their sixth game in season
                                         
                                        they're still not being yet at home
                                         
                                        it's actually not a very pleasant stadium
                                         
                                        to play and I'm sure we've been there
                                         
                                        before together haven't we
                                         
                                        there's a weird atmosphere
                                         
    
                                        or indeed lack of atmosphere
                                         
                                        in that ground whatever's going on there
                                         
                                        so they're a tough team to be
                                         
                                        but if classically
                                         
                                        in these Champions League things,
                                         
                                        if you're drawing away games
                                         
                                        and win your home games,
                                         
                                        you're going to be fine.
                                         
    
                                        Yeah, and Paul was just mentioning there,
                                         
                                        the home games that Spurs have coming.
                                         
                                        So Monaco Nill, Spurs Nill tonight.
                                         
                                        So Spurs 15th in the table,
                                         
                                        but if you finish between 9th and 24th,
                                         
                                        at the very least, you get yourself a playoff game
                                         
                                        to try and get into the last 16.
                                         
                                        So across this third week of Champions League,
                                         
    
                                        football in the league phase,
                                         
                                        70 goals have been scored,
                                         
                                        the most ever on a match day in this new Champions League format.
                                         
                                        John Bennett's been keeping across the other games for us this evening.
                                         
                                        I saw it flash up on the viddy printer, John, the name Jude Bellingham,
                                         
                                        scoring for Real Madrid against Juventus tonight.
                                         
                                        Yes, he looked relieved.
                                         
                                        That's his first goal of the season in his seventh game.
                                         
    
                                        Remember, he returned, of course, from shoulder surgery.
                                         
                                        It was a tap in Vinicius Jr. with a jinking run in the box.
                                         
                                        He's shot hitting the post.
                                         
                                        And Jude Bellingham, basically, was playing like a striker,
                                         
                                        alongside Killeen Mbapé tonight with the simple finish.
                                         
                                        But Real Madrid deserved it.
                                         
                                        They were all over, Juventus,
                                         
                                        although Juventus had a couple of good chances.
                                         
    
                                        Dusan Vlaevich with a brilliant chance when it was nil-nil.
                                         
                                        But Yuvae, Ali, really struggling.
                                         
                                        Haven't won a game now in seven matches,
                                         
                                        just two points so far in this Champions League campaign.
                                         
                                        And another goal for Harry Kane in a big win for Bayern, John.
                                         
                                        Yeah, Buy Munich 4, Club Bruges, Nill.
                                         
                                        Harry Kane, 20 goals this season already in 12 games.
                                         
                                        Yeah, he's been sensational.
                                         
    
                                        or five Champions League goals.
                                         
                                        But the big story in this game,
                                         
                                        a 17-year-old Wonder Kid scored for Bayern Munich.
                                         
                                        Listen out for this guy's name.
                                         
                                        Big star of the future.
                                         
                                        Lennett Carl, the youngest ever German goal scorer in the Champions League.
                                         
                                        It was a beautiful goal after just four minutes.
                                         
                                        Solo run and an excellent finish.
                                         
    
                                        So he was on the score sheet.
                                         
                                        Kane as well, Lewis Diaz and also Nicholas Jackson.
                                         
                                        By on 100% record next up in the Champions League,
                                         
                                        they play Paris Saint-Germain.
                                         
                                        Yes, yes.
                                         
                                        In the next round of fixtures as well,
                                         
                                        Liverpool against Rail Madrid.
                                         
                                        not wait for that one. You'll hear it in full on Five Live and BBC Sounds. John Bennett, thank
                                         
    
                                        you. Pat Nevin, thank you, Pat. I'll see you soon. Look forward to it. And Paul Robinson,
                                         
                                        the rain is still falling heavily here in West London. Yes, I'm just working out how I'm going
                                         
                                        to get to Earl's Cork's Tube Station without getting wet. And the answer is, I'm not. No, I'm going
                                         
                                        to have to go and find one, aren't I? Thank you for your company this evening. Paul back in action
                                         
                                        on Five Live, Saturday evening, half five for Manchester United against Brighton,
                                         
                                        three o'clock commentary comes from
                                         
                                        Stanford Bridge on Saturday.
                                         
                                        It is Chelsea against
                                         
    
                                        Sunderland. In the other evening kick-offs in the
                                         
                                        Champions League tonight, Atalanta and Slavia
                                         
                                        Prague finished goalless and
                                         
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                                        2-1. And remember you can watch highlights from all
                                         
                                        of this week's Champions League action on the
                                         
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