Football Daily - Women’s Euros: England thrash Wales to progress

Episode Date: July 13, 2025

Katie Smith has reaction to England 6-1 Wales at UEFA Women’s EURO 2025. She’s joined by Karen Bardsley, Danny Gabbidon and Vicki Sparks. Also hear from Sarina Wiegman, Rhian Wilkinson, Beth Mead and Alessia Russo.02:40 Did we overcook the rivalry? 04:00 Could be Jess Fishlock’s last game, 05:25 Proper team performance from England? 08:25 Beth Mead INTERVIEW, 11:45 Sarina Wiegman INTERVIEW, 15:25 What did we learn from England? 19:30 Rhian Wilkinson INTERVIEW, 21:15 Wilkinson: “This team isn’t fit enough”, 24:40 Alessia Russo INTERVIEW, 27:00 England avoid Spain’s half of draw.BBC Sounds / 5 Live commentaries: Wed 2000 QF1 Norway v Italy, Thu 2000 QF2 Sweden v England, Fri 2000 QF3 Spain v Switzerland, Sat 2000 QF4 France v Germany.

BBC Sounds music radio podcast. The football daily podcast with Katie Smith at UEFA Women's Euro 2025. England, the defending champions are through to the Women's Euros quarterfinals after beating Wales here in St. Gallen by six goals to one. So the Lionesses will now play Sweden on Thursday night. We will bring you commentary on Five Live Wales though out on their major tournament debut with three defeats from three group stage matches. Our commentator Vicky Sparks bringing you this one and Vicky let's recap what was a Goalfest night for the Lionesses. Yeah a very professional polished the course there is all of that energy and rivalry that comes into this but England as big favorites came into this game knowing that all they had to do was win and they'd reach the quarterfinals and they did it in some style. Six goals, six

different goal scorers as well and first goals of the tournament for the likes of Russo and Meade and Beaver Jones. It was just a very accomplished England's performance. Wales were outplayed, they were the underdogs but in terms of the small wins that Danny Gabbard on talked about in commentary, my word didn't they get one with the quality of their goal. Hannah Kane off the bench to score, top corner from a tight angle after brilliant work by Jess Fishlock. And it was a story that ends for Wales at this tournament, but the story of what they've done for Welsh women's football by reaching this stage for the very first time

and how this will change the women's game in Wales remains. For England, again, as you say, a goldfest. Players really showing that concentration and that professionalism to get the job done in some style. And they now march on to the quarterfinals, where, as you say, they will face Sweden. So England fans still inside St. Gallen, here in the stadium, Arena St. Gallen,

celebrating on the big screen. It says, congratulations England with confetti falling, but I have to say thousands still from the red wall of Wales standing strong. Former Wales skipper Danny Gabbard on with us, and former England number one Karen Bardsley as well. Danny, I just wondered, did we overcook the rivalry? Because when you look at it, a 6-1,

an 11th meeting between these two nations, England have now scored 43 goals and conceded just the three. Yeah, it's still a rivalry. Maybe not in terms of the results, but in terms of the passion. Obviously, players that all know each other very well play against each other a lot domestically.

That rivalry is created in that way as well so look certainly from a Wales side of things it's a rivalry now from an England point of view you might look at maybe Germany or something like that and say that they may be more of a rival because you are they're that your type of level of team I suppose but um but, ask any player out there. Well, let me ask Karen Bardsley then. There you go, one right next to me. Well, I think every time we've played Wales in the past, it's always... we realise how important it is and we've always felt like an emotional response, I think, from any sort

of Welsh player. And I think all you need to do is just think about what happened just before the tournament in that Tesco's. You know, they put that England's display up, didn't they? And everyone proper kicked off. Yeah. So I'd say that there's definitely a rivalry, whether it's on both sides of the border, perhaps not quite as much. But yeah, it means a lot to this Wales side.

And just a quick word on Jess Fishlock. You know, I see her down there in front of, now just doing the post-match interviews. But I was watching her throughout the course of the game. She's constantly leading her teammates, trying to encourage them to keep doing the right things, to keep fighting. Even if it's not coming off, she's not throwing her hands up in there.

She's not kicking off. She's just constantly encouraging. So what a top class professional she is. Well, on her 165th cap, Danny, it could be highly likely this is the last time we see her wearing a whale shirt. Quite possibly. Maybe she's being asked that down there now.

I'm not down there right now. There's a huddle of media around there, isn't there? Look, quite possibly. I mean, she's 38 years old. It's not easy, not as easy for her now. She has had her problems with injuries, she obviously plays for Seattle, all the travelling over as well on the flights. It does become difficult and I don't know, maybe she might feel this is her time to maybe back. Does it get kind of any better than this? I'm not too sure but I don't think Jess will kind of be thinking about that right now she won't be happy that her team has lost 6-1

it'll be something that maybe she thinks about now over the next kind of couple of weeks but if she does decide to do that what a big loss she will be. So we'll talk the future for Wales in a moment let's reflect though on that performance for England, Karen Barsey six six different goal scorers. Was it a proper team performance? And I use the word proper specifically because we've talked proper English all week, but really the key thing they pointed out between the France loss and the Netherlands win was that everyone was on the game plan and executed. Did that happen again today? Well, I think they've scored 10 goals in two games. So yeah, I think that's definitely worked, hasn't it?

But in terms of England, that proper England mentality is about being tidy, technically being quick, being physical, being loving the pressure and loving winning. And I think every single player has done that over the course of these two games. I think Kira Walsh was absolutely outstanding today, and yes, she won the player of the match award,

but her work that I think goes highly unnoticed. She's high up the pitch, she's constantly wanting the ball, she's been at the crux of quite a lot of criticism, I think, since she's come back to Chelsea, about maybe not being at the level, but she's proving it here on this international stage, the way she's finding herself in the edge of the area, shooting nearly, well, pulling out spectacular saves from goalkeepers, but the likes of Alessia

Rousseau, she's just in fine form as she has been throughout the entire WSL season. And that real telepathic connection that she has with Ella Toune just I think they're firing on all cylinders and listen, I think there has to be the caveat that Netherlands didn't put out a good performance and Prospectively neither did Wales in terms of challenging what that could look like Ahead of the quarterfinals. So yeah interesting one and I have to say Katie I knew I'd miss someone out in the role call of players You've got their first goals at the tournament, Lauren Hemp as well. And the fact that, you know, she, like Alex

Greenwood in Georgia's down, may have fought so hard and Lauren James to get back fit for the tournament. You know, I mean, we said it against Portugal, which was at the end of May. She just looks like she's never been away. Lauren Hemp. And I think, you know, that will be so encouraging for Serena Beeman, as you say, six different goal scorers, but four players getting their first goals of the tournament as well. Beaver Jones coming off the bench too. We know how key the substitutes were at the Euros three years ago.

Back then it was Alessia Russo in that role, coming off the bench and scoring. And actually, Russo scoring tonight in number nine had been the queen of assists and finally gets the goal. And we actually have the Tooney and Russo show again, which can go download on BBC Sounds where we had it play out on the pitch once again, turning provider and assistor and scorer. Yeah, they were both fantastic. And if I was at least a Russo, I would be fuming coming off. I really would have because she would have been thinking about that Golden Boot.

Maybe I can get a couple more goals in this game and get myself in the conversation for the Golden Boot. But you look at England as a whole and they just have so much quality. They really do. They're going to be there or thereabouts at the end of this competition and fantastic performance from them. Danny, I'm just going to interrupt you there. Let's head down to Rob Schofield, who's in the tunnel. Thank you, Katie. I'm with Beth Mead. Beth, congratulations through to the quarterfinals and a goal as well. Tell us what that meant to you tonight. Yeah, it meant a lot to me. I think, yeah, sometimes years are forward, you're expected

to score goals, so it's nice to get one on the sheet. And yeah, nice to see a lot of different goals from a lot of different goalscorers at the moment. So that's really nice for us as a team and we're in a very good position. Can you tell us about the celebration? Yeah, I mean I think sometimes you underestimate how hard it can be for subs and people who don't get minutes just as much. You know some of them girls work day in and day out to make the starting eleven in the best possible place that they can be. Obviously I've had to get used to that role a little bit more now. So it was just a bit of appreciation for the subs and the clickings, just a little bit of motivation on the bench. A really nice touch. Beth, we really appreciate you talking to us before the tournament about,

candidly about what this tournament meant to you and the first since your mum's passing. Can you tell us a little bit about what it has been like since you've been here and I guess a night like this I suppose just kind of brings it into focus I suppose? Yeah, I mean it's tough. I think the first game I found it really hard when the national anthem was on obviously. The stuff that recently happened with Diogo Jota. And you look in the stands and my mum was the first one I'd look for. So that's tough. I think I look up there now and I'm still looking for her but I also know that she's with me. I think she's with me every step of the way during this tournament and it's something very different for me.

But it makes it hard but also makes it special and another moment for me to try and make a proud. Absolutely. Well said. So quarterfinals then, you're going to get Sweden. There was a good portion tonight where you were top in the group. How aware were you of that, first of all, but Sweden and what do you make of that?

Yeah, there's a lot of different teams, a lot of hard games coming up now. You know, it's knockout football, any team we put a face, but you see in Sweden last night, they punished Germany who were very, very topside. We know we've got our work cut out for us in the next round. Great stuff. Well played, Beth. Thank you.

Thank you. Beth Mead with Rob Schofield in the tunnel in St. Gallen. What powerful words there from Beth Mead, Karen, who pointed up to the sky in honor of her mum who passed away in 2023 and I think just sometimes that reflection on what it means for everyone around you and who you're doing it for. Yeah that's a huge moment for her and you know for her to be able to articulate it in such a beautiful way and you know after a football game it's really impressive and you know for anyone that's lost anyone to go

through something like that must be tremendously difficult so you know it's great that she has such incredible people around her in such a fantastic support system and you know fair play to her for being so brave to be able to express it in such a lovely way. She wrote a wonderful piece in the players tribune ahead of the Champions League Final for Arsenal and if anyone listening hasn't seen it, I would really encourage you to check it out about her journey and her mum and the sacrifices that both her parents made

so that they could continue to support her playing as a kid, including her mum taking an extra job in a pub to make ends meet. And she actually has a tattoo Beth made of the words that her mum used to write on a note and leave under her pillow, love you loads. It is that support network that is through with you through everything you know when you just start with a dream and it's wonderful to hear her speak about that so eloquently as Karen says. Rob Schofield's got Serena Veegman the England manager alongside him.

Thank you, Katie. Yes, Serena, through to the quarter-finals. How much did that performance please you tonight? Yeah, I'm very happy. Of course, a tough Wales who really want to fight, but I think we found a way to go around it and create some chances and score six goals, so that's really good.

So I'm really happy we're through, first of all, of course, because they was a very hard group. And with losing the first game, of course, there's come so much urgency to win against the Netherlands and do really well against Wales now, of course, winning. But with the score now with France and Netherlands, that was not really necessary. But you want to finish really good. And the team just showed up today. How valuable first goals tonight for Lauren Hem, Palesi Arusa, I suppose she's fed up of assisting all these goals at this tournament. Beth Mead and Aguibiva Jones as well, I mean

this was so valuable for you. Yeah, it's really good to see that we created so many chances. You can see the connections and we can always do things better, but if you score six in the Euros and against Wales who played pretty tough too, then I think that's just really good and it's really nice to see that more players can score goals, many players can score goals and that they keep doing things together. And just in general, you know, you always tell us about how much of a squad game of course these tournaments are, just the rotation and the opportunity to do that tonight. How important was that for you

and did you potentially have an eye on that you know as we entered the half time? Yeah of course we did because you know this is a very intense tournament and we basically we played top level games straight away so when you play France when you play Netherlands and that's such a high level then it's of course you want to win the game and you also want to think of okay who's next, so when you can do that and of course you want to sub something to change things but sometimes you can also sub to keep everyone to give a break but also show, give other players the opportunity to play and show what they can do so when it's necessary the players

are ready to step in and step up for the team. For a while you were topping the group. How aware of that were you? It is going to be Sweden in the quarterfinals. So intrigued to ask you what you make of that as a tie. Yeah, I was aware of that. I wasn't thinking of that. I just was thinking we want to get through and then we need to win

and to keep that in control. So I wasn't really thinking of that. Of course I knew the score. Now the next one is Sweden. We know each other really well. Sweden is always good, very powerful, very good in the counter-attack and a team that's always really together too. So it's going to be another great one. And just finally a word on your counterparts tonight, Wales, a tough night for them but as we're hearing from everyone involved in Wales, this tournament could have such a hugely positive impact for them moving forwards. Yeah, I hope so and I think when you see the vibe around this team and what they want to

bring on the pitch and the fans also, it's just really good to see and I found it also really nice that in the last game against France that Jens Vissloch scored a goal. So yeah, great things for them, of course they don't like to lose but it's their first Euros, they wrote history and I hope that gives a boost there also. Thank you Serena, congratulations. Thank you. England manager Serena Vigmen. And I wonder from what she was saying, Karen, there was a lot of emphasis on, yes, six goals you've got to take that. Clearly a good performance could still be better. I wonder from the way Wales played compared to the opponents they faced in France and the Netherlands and what they will face against Sweden.

What did we learn from England tonight? I think we learned that they can score goals, which is great. You know, that there's depth on the bench as well, that they can come on and make a difference. I think we already knew how good Lauren James was. But what I've been really impressed with was generally just the fluidity, I think,

of the rotations from the entirety of the team. Like we said, we saw Kira Walsh in wide area, we saw her in the box at one point. We saw Ella Toon and Georgia Stanway starting really quite high. We saw a really high line. So there's a lot of confidence in terms of trusting your ability,

being able to press high, win the ball back, and play in the opposition's half and take full advantage of that. So I think that's something that we should really think about taking forward. One concern I have though is the transition, you know, the way that Jess Fishlock picked the ball up today and drove at our back four and just played one pass in for a fantastic strike from Hannah Kane. You know, like that is the thing that I am concerned about going

forward because the likes of Sweden, wow, incredible wingers, so quick. The likes of Black Stinius, etc. Dropping that line off, there's threats everywhere. Can you blame that on the substitutions tonight? Just, you know, a disconnect there? I mean, not entirely, no. I don't think so. I think any substitutions at this level for England would be competent enough to kind of quell any sort of transitional moment like that.

For me, it's the connections that I think Serena Vigman was alluding to there. The starting 11 are proving to be incredibly fluid in understanding of whose responsibility is what and what to do and how to deliver it, how to execute it, how to communicate it. Now, is there a little bit of a slight dip when that comes on? It's hard to determine really against a team like Wales or perhaps even the Netherlands. It didn't carry much of a threat, but that was because England stopped it and they were relatively poor. But I think, I don't know why people seem to write Sweden off because they're a fantastic

side that always find themselves there or thereabouts in the final, the third or fourth or anything like that. So we're going to get on to quarterfinals in just a moment. I just think one final word, Danny, on Wales, because Serena Vigman echoing there what a lot of people have been saying about them coming and making history here. It felt so fitting and poetic

to see the goal from Jess Fishlock, another tonight for Hannah Kane, a scorcher, even if you won't accept it was the best of the game. I'm putting my hands up, I think it might have you won't accept it was the best of the game. I'm putting my hands up. I think it might have been. Okay, it was the best of the game. But this seems like the moment that the FAW, that women's football in Wales has to strike now. Yeah, this is just the beginning. I keep saying that and the FAW as an organisation now, they need to look at it and say, right, how can we take this on even further? You know, this is just the beginning. We have to see where we can improve. Okay, yes, we've got to our first major tournament, but how can we consistently keep being here when we're

here? How can we perform better? You know, they'll be looking at obviously some of the elder players in the squad who, you know, maybe might not get to another tournament and how are we gonna then bring the next kind of generation through? But then actually, Rhian Wilkinson very clearly stated pre-match when she swapped out Safia Middleton Patel, 20 years old goalkeeper for Olivia Clark. She said, you know, I'm looking a decade in the future.

Yeah, and I think the succession planning has already started. You know, I think you look at the start of the U-Rill qualifying campaign and Rhian Wilkinson, we have five young uncapped players that came into that squad and have kind of been in and around the squads with the Nations League as well. They've been dipped in and out. So I think it's something that Rian is very aware of. She knows that needs to happen, that next generation of player, who's it gonna be? And look, we're still a long way away from where we need to be. We're always gonna find it difficult

to compete with England, a talent pool that they're able to kind of pick from. But I think this team is capable of kind of developing further again, so the FAW have to play a big part in making that happen. Perfect timing, the Wales manager, Rhian Wilkinson, is with Rob. Thank you, Katie. Rhian, tough night. Tell me about the emotions now.

Yeah, it is a tough night. I thought England were fantastic. We were thoroughly outplayed today. I was out coached today and that's the reality of where we're at. I've got a lot of work to do. I think as a team we know we're not quite fit enough. When we're ready for tournament play we've got three, four, five, six hopefully games and that is why we're here at the major tournaments to put ourselves up against the best teams to learn and to grow and to improve and this was a hard lesson tonight but equally I wouldn't want to coach any other team.

Well it looks slightly broader in a moment. Just wanted to ask you, you got off to a really difficult start. What did you make of that penalty decision because I mean it was an uphill battle from there. Yeah, I haven't reached, I mean it was the an uphill battle from there. Yeah I haven't reached I seen it on the sideline screen I have to look at it again it just felt like it didn't feel quite right but again like refs have a tough job and it's hard when you're up against the Giants that are England and you get one of these contentious calls

or it feels like it's it's right you know on the cusp of maybe not being a penalty so I have to relook at at it, but again, we were thoroughly beaten. That wouldn't have made the difference. A wonderful moment for Hannah Kane though. It was an assist for Jess Fishlock. I feel really disappointed for the players that are nearing retirement that I couldn't set them up in a way where they could deliver more thoroughly in this last game of the campaign.

But we move on, and it's a harsh lesson, it's a painful one, but I'll probably look back on this and hopefully learn a lot from Serena and look at that England team and see the gap that we've got to make up. You're being so honest and open about that. It's a difficult question, but what do you think are those tangible areas where you can go from competing to competing more and actually threatening? We've got we've got something special which is an X factor But that can't be the thing we rely on this team

We know is not fit enough and we're not because they've never had to play through a summer before but that's that's there are no excuses We've got work to do. We're not powerful enough. You lot of my players, five of my players are without a contract. And that's painful for me as a coach. I've got to get them playing. I think that there's an idea that the Welsh players are maybe not of the same value in my mind. I don't like how they're treated sometimes. And I don't like how sometimes the English clubs don't develop players that just need some attention. But equally, we look at home and we know we've got to get more players registered We've got to make sure that there's more opportunities for them to play and that there's more leagues for them to play in so

No finger pointing actually tonight. I think other than myself That's all I can look at is how can I be better next time to set them up in a way where they can More closely compete with such a giant people are throwing the word legacy at you a lot in the last week or two, I suppose now is actually the time to talk about it. What is the hope? Because this has to be a springboard doesn't it? Of course it does. It does, like legacy is, it is a first. So first tournament, first goals, we were, you know, we are pleased with that, but this wasn't a performance I think we can say that we're, we want to call legacy a part of the legacy. What I will say is these women will run, they'll run themselves into the ground and that's what they did.

And again, an England team that thoroughly deserved the win and good luck to them in the tournament. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you. Cheers. Well, so much interesting stuff. Rhian Wilkinson had to say there, Danny, she said no finger pointing tonight. I think that was maybe a little bit of finger pointing at that. I wonder then, is she the right woman from what you've seen to be leading Wales forward? Yeah, she's, she's absolutely spot on there with everything that she said. Um, and I think you can sense a bit of anger and kind of disappointment with what she saw tonight. And she's given all the reasons as to why, what needs to happen

next to get this team to the next level and there's so many things that we can improve on and for sure she is the right woman to do that you know she's the first manager to get us here to a major tournament she's got us over the line and she knows exactly the next steps to bring this kind of team on and she'll just be hoping that she gets the backing that she deserves. Five Live has the perfect lineup of podcasts to accompany the Euros. All the latest analysis, interviews and debate from Switzerland in the Football Daily podcast.

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and England progress as runners up. They are going to face Sweden on Thursday. So let's hear from another of tonight's Lionesses goal store, Lessie Russo has been speaking to BBC Sports, Jo Curry. Before tonight, you had the ball in the back of the net twice. Both were disallowed. When the ball went in this evening, how much of a relief was it to finally get your scoring

account opened? Yeah, it was nice. I still waited a minute just to be sure. But no, it was nice. It was a great performance tonight. Everyone showed up. We needed another performance like Holland to keep this momentum going in the tournament. But yeah, ultimately, I'm a striker. I want to be involved in them as much as possible, so it did feel nice. Nice of Ella to finally return the assist, wasn't it? Yeah, it was nice. But as we were running back, she went,

I think I might have been offside, and I thought, oh, not again. But no, she timed it on perfectly. She put in a great cross. So yeah, she was brilliant tonight as well. Well, look, after the disappointment of France in the opening game, talk to me about the turnaround this team has had since then.

It's been really exciting. I mean,'t start how we hoped and how we wanted to but then we knew we had two more games to turn it around and we also know that in tournament football it moves so quickly so if you miss out on another opportunity then your tournament could be over and I think that thought really stuck with us because we want to be here till the end, we want to be competing in this competition and we know how much it means to us. I think our reaction has been great, our performances have been great, training has been brilliant and everyone is just really excited and feeling the momentum. Sweden up next, that's a team of course you'll know pretty well from playing alongside some

of them at Arsenal. Yeah for sure, they're a top side, They pose a different threat to probably what we've faced so far in this tournament. But yeah, now it's the knockouts, it's where the pressure's really on, but we're ready for it. We're excited to go into it. We've been feeding off this momentum. So yeah, we're ready for Sweden and we'll get recovered and go again. So that was Alessia Russo on Sweden. Ella Thun on Sweden says, I think they should be scared. Karen Barsey, are you scared? No, I don't think so.

I feel confident. I mean, I believe in the Lionesses. I think they can win. But I think it's going to be a significantly different order than what we've seen already. I think Alessia alluded to it there around, they're a really together team. They've got quick wingers, they're really talented and experienced midfield, and they've got threats in behind. And those are several things that England have struggled with,

as France kindly pointed out to everyone. I think the big thing for England as well, looking at the path through, and of course, as Cairns says, Sweden are going to be a really big challenge, but they've avoided Spain's half of the draw. So they won't have to face the reigning the disappointed performance wise but managed to get through with three wins out of three. Italy who should have more pedigree in the women's game in terms of winning trophies but don't. They're on an upward trajectory but I think you know when we were talking about it in game it was that question of do you want to face a weakened Germany in the quarter finals but then potentially get Spain or Switzerland in the host. They've avoided that dilemma but as Karen says they've got to play a very, very difficult Sweden side now. Three wins from three for Sweden. They have reached the semi-finals in each of their last

three major tournaments. Serena Vigman keeps reminding us we are good too. So England's Lionesses into the quarter-finals. They face Sweden on Thursday. Also tonight, Chelsea have won the Club World Cup, beating PSG 3-0 in the final. Cole Palmer at the double and he also set up João Pedro as well. So Chelsea taking their earnings to around £90 million for taking part in that and winning the tournament. And there's more on that on the BBC Sport website for you. So a good night for Chelsea and a good night here for the Lionesses too. That is it for this episode of the Football Daily. The next one will be a Women's Euros Monday night club with Mark Chapman, Izzy Christensen, Nader Manoa and

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