Football Daily - Women’s Euros: Hampton’s heroics see England into the Semi-Finals

Episode Date: July 17, 2025

Katie Smith is joined by Vicki Sparks, former England goalkeeper Karen Bardsley, and former England captain Steph Houghton to reflect on the Lionesses’ dramatic victory over Sweden in the Women’s Euros. Hear all the reaction straight from the moment England win on penalties to progress to the semi-finals. The team discuss England’s awful first half, the super subs who changed the game, and THAT penalty shootout. England manager Sarina Wiegman, Chloe Kelly, goalscorer Michelle Agyemang and shootout hero Hannah Hampton all join the pod to react to reaching the semi-finals!Timecodes: 00:14 On-the-whistle reaction 04:05 A 'proper English' victory? 12:36 Hannah Hampton interview 16:10 Michelle Agyemang interview 22:29 Sarina Wiegman interview 27:08 Chloe Kelly interviewBBC Sounds/5 Live commentaries this week: Fri - 2000 - QF3 - Spain v Switzerland Sat - 2000 - QF4 - France v Germany

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CarGurus.ca BBC Sounds music radio podcasts the football daily podcast with Katie Smith at UEFA women's euro 2025 oh it's over the bar and England are three to the semi-finals it's over the bar! And England are through to the semi-finals. It's tied by Smilla Holberg. And the Lionessers have done it! Somehow they have done it. They looked down and out in normal time, but they found too late goals to take it to extra time.

And we ended up at a penalty shootout. There were misses, there were saves, but in the end England have found a way and the defending European champions do what no side has ever done at the Women's Euros. From a two goal deficit they recover to win a knockout stage match and they are through somehow to the semi-finals. Sweet baby Jesus, that was amazing. Honestly, that was incredible. Such tension from the way that England obviously started that game going down and the response to come back, the substitutions, the doubt that we had, the game plan, the manager, there's so much drama, the saves from Hannah Hampton, the authority from Lucy

Bronze, what a fantastic game and such character that England showed, such self-belief to pull themselves back into this game. I'm over the moon, I'm absolutely, oh my heart is racing. It is one of the greatest results in Serena Vigman's managerial career. And it is one of the greatest escaping what looked like certain elimination from these players. When it mattered, they came up, as they have said so many times in this tournament, proper English. And are they building something in the women's game when it comes to penalty shootouts? No heartache tonight for England on penalties. Then through to the semi-final where they will face Italy.

We are coming to you from Stadion Lezegren in Zurich as England beat Sweden on penalties to make it into the semi-finals of the Women's Euros by the barest of margins by the skin of their teeth. Sweet Caroline all around this stadium. White flags and shirts and St. George's crosses are bobbing everywhere. Arms are raised and the players cannot believe it as they finally are collected by the coaches by Serena Vigmen into the centre of the pitch to try and reflect on what just happened. With us our commentator Vicky Sparks, former England goalkeeper Karen Barsey and joining us from back in England as well, former skipper Steph Houghton who has her head in her hands. Steph what have we just seen? Wow that is a game full of

so many emotions I'm absolutely sweating here watching the penalties I don't know what you guys are like there, but ultimately a massive, massive win for England to come back and to take it to extra time. And the Pelneys, I mean, Hannah Hampton had a great game, saved us in the first half, but yeah. Oh my God, the girls are going to go to the final. I've told you this before. Steph, I'm having kittens.

I like, I just can't. I thought you would be, KB. Honestly, it was unbelievable. The waves of emotion that I went through over the course of that game, I was genuinely shocked at the first half performance. Couldn't believe what was happening in front of my own eyes. I thought it was all unraveling and just to see the way that the girls reacted,

I almost feel bad for ever doubting them. The substitutions, the self-belief, the impact that the girls reacted. I almost feel bad for ever doubting them. The substitutions, the self-belief, the impact that Chloe Kelly had, it was just unbelievable. I'm calling it, Steph. Karen, that was proper English. If we're redefining what proper English means, coming from two goals down, taking it to extra time, almost winning it, but then missing it, going to a penalty shootout, almost losing it, and then winning it. How, I have no words. I don't know, I mean, I'll be honest,

like watching that, the penalty needs a word. Let's just, we'll keep it there. We don't go into any more depth. Should we start with the positives? We like to do things the hard way, don't we? We said this, didn't we, Steph? Yeah. Well, and do and you know what Hannah Hampton said it to us on Five Lives Steph only a couple of days ago she said that is part of proper England as we make you work for it, we work for it, we test everything you've got, every shred of nerves but what a magnificent performance from England's

number one tonight. Yeah I mean for, I think especially in that first half, it could have been potentially four nil Sweden, but Hannah Hampton made two crucial saves, one just before half time. And I honestly think if it was three nil going into that half time, I really think that we would have struggled to come back. But once you get one goal back, when you're losing two nil,

the momentum shifts in your direction. I think KB's got a spot on on I think with the changes that Serena made Chloe Kelly coming in putting in two world-class deliveries and that is what the bench is there for to change a game and a special Shout out to Ajiman. I think fortune was brilliant. I thought she brought a different dimension to us and Sweden's center-halves had a quite comfy game We're just marking unless you're Russo, but you came on and made a difference and oh my god, I feel like I've just played if I'm being honest. Honestly, it's like I'm apoplectic. Several times throughout the course of that game,

but I think this is, you know, I think Chloe Kelly made something, didn't she, about the fact that subs can come on and make an impact and the article that I read around her interview and the positive clicks and just how important having that massive squad and the belief and just the impact that they can make coming off the bench and how every single player in this team is so, so important. I'm genuinely gobsmacked. I just can't find the words. Well, Hannah Hampton's being shepherded over by England's media team, too.

I think probably do all of the interviews tonight. But Karen, I want to take you back to the moment before the penalty shootout started. As Friedrich Desire starts playing, and all the players have come over to us in front of their friends and family, I'm surprised they have energy left. And no surprise there is Lucy Bronze leading,

dancing out on the pitch. We'll get to her in a moment. You said before the penalty shootout, when I asked you what Hannah Hampton would be thinking, you said, this is the best fit, no pressure, this is fun. She had a bloody nose from a whack she'd taken about five minutes earlier, but she looked like she enjoyed it. The composure was magnificent. Yeah. This is what you prepare for as a keeper. you know, like genuinely all the pressure is on the taker, you know, and that's why one of the reasons I was so surprised that Jennifer Falk actually took one, you know, because you go into these preparations, you got, you know, maybe a 50-50 or a 33% chance if you go down the middle, but

you just want to make saves. And when I spoke to Hannah Hampton before the tournament, she just said she wanted to let the football do the talking. She couldn't wait to get out here. And she's done that tonight in bucket loads. Well, we've made Vicky Sparks do a lot of talking tonight. She's been recovering. I've seen you downing water bottles over there, Vicky. Could you want to try and give us, if you can, briefly a story of the match?

Yeah, can I just say a behind the scenes look about five minutes ago? Katie, mind if we story of the game. Yeah, can I just say a behind the scenes look. About five minutes ago, Katie, mind if me, story of the game? Oh, I'll give you two minutes. Story of the game, it was bonkers. There you go. Well, honestly, I'm watching the scenes here where we're seeing the England players

now doing a lap of honour. Karen Barsley celebrating, pumping her fist in the air to my right, and all the England fans that are waving their flags. What a remarkable match and honestly I think this goes down as one of the greatest performances under Serena Vigmen in terms of the fact that it for so long was one of the worst performances under Serena Vigmen. England were terrible, they were so limp it looked as though they were going to exit with barely a

whimper as Larnie scoring that early goal for Sweden's side two minutes, Black Stanius adding to it midway through the first half and it has stepped forward and said, Hannah happens to be making some really key saves, Black Stanius with a big chance at the start of the second half and it looked as though England were down and out but then those two goals later on, 103 seconds between them, Lucy Bronzeford, Michelle Ajimang off the bench for the second, but that key woman Chloe Kelly as well, that substitute really working for Serena Veevan as did Ajimang. We go to extra time, no goals, and then just going through the penalties now, England win 3-2 on penalties, but four players missed, and I'm looking as we go through the penalty shootout, Kelly had to score, she did score. England could have gone out then,

they were a spot kick away. If Falcott scored, they would have been out, but the goalkeeper smashed it over the bar. Then Clinton misses. So then Jakobsen, if she scores, England are out. Then Braun scores, then Holmberg misses the final penalty. I cannot believe that England, with so much adversity, have made it through, and this will just give them every single bit of relief going forward. I would say to that then Steph, if we are talking proper England, was tonight not surely proper Lucy Bronze.

She was the one who kick started the comeback with that goal we've been saying she hadn't scored yet in the tournament. There she goes. She's the one with all the belief, riling up everyone on the pitch saying, give me more, scored that penalty as well, was putting in diving challenges with, you know, minutes to go where a foot would have done, but she went ahead. She did go ahead and she scored. So that's all that matters. But honestly, I think for me, Lucy, she was just so forward thinking and she dragged the team throughout that whole game. And I think even just putting in tackles, getting forward, probably out of positions

on some occasions, but I think when you see that goal, that headed goal, she does that time and time again in big moments. She's a big player and she steps up again and obviously our penalty was probably one of the best to be honest and probably at the right time for someone with her experience to take that pen. She looked absolutely delighted while Karen's going up. No, I mean, I was absolutely thrilled for her because it could have gone the other way.

Speaking of going the other way in the first half, it just looked like it wasn't coming off. You know, like we were really trying to force play down that right-hand side. Sweden had all the answers, didn't they? But she was so, so determined to make an impact, to drag the rest of the team into the game. And, you know, we've seen her do that time and time again. I can remember 2015 against Norway. She scored a massive goal. She did the same, obviously, in 22 against Sweden, you know, when England obviously won it, but she is just a phenomenal leader on and off the pitch and the way she exudes that positive self-belief and confidence, the girls just eat it up.

The Swedish players, Steph, are over on the far side from where we are, sat in our commentary position, just giving a round of applause to their supporters who have been immaculate and such a fun part of the tournament at all the games that they've been at. What heartbreak they are going through, can you describe that to us because for so much of the game they were in control. I think Sweden can kind of hold their heads up high really. I think they give absolutely everything. And Baren France, they have been one of the best teams in this tournament. I think they have really stuck to what their strengths are. They've had some unbelievable individual performance.

I thought Philippa Angadale must have ran about three or four marathons to be honest. Even at the end there, she's driving her team forward and it goes really under the radar. But in Black Stinius as well, I think there's been so much talk about her responsibility and what she can bring but she really led the line and caused us a lot of problems, especially that first 60-70 minutes until the changes with Esme coming on. But I think it's just a mad game, I can't believe we've actually come out and won and this is just proper English

and proper England. You're saying it, are we going with it? I think we have to, don't we? I think we went with come out and won, and this is just proper English, proper England. You're saying it. Are we going with it? I think we have to. I think we went with it, didn't we, a while ago? Right, before we hear any more, we've got Gary Flintoff down in the tunnel for us.

We'll get live reaction as and when we can, but let's hear from one of England's heroines tonight, goalkeeper Hannah Hampton with BBC's Joe Curry. What a comeback into the semi-finals. Where are your emotions at right now? Right now, I don't know. I don't know. It just all has gone so quick, like that last little bit

in the penalty shootout. But no, we're very happy, obviously. You can see all the celebrations going around, cheering with the fans. And they were behind us the whole game. Even when we were 2-0 down, they knew that we could bring this back, and you don't ever write us off. To watch, that was possibly one of the most stressful penalty shootouts

this team has ever put us through. You were sensational. What was it like to play in? Stressful, like you said, stressful watching, stressful playing. I just thought every single time I saved one, I was thinking, please just put it in so we have a bit of a cushion and their keeper just went and saved the next one I was thinking oh goodness here we go, but you know I think to be honest I think I was better in the game when I had one nostril than when I was completely fine, but no, I'm just just happy and relieved now

I was going to ask you you had your big moment with what looked like a tampon up your nose. I wish your nose is fine to be fair. Me and nosebleeds never go well. Me and the doctor have had some great history in the past with having to go to hospitals and stuff so as soon as he came over and looked at my nosebleed he was thinking not again. But yeah, I'm better with one nostril now. Well it's certainly worked for you. Just take a minute to take this all in because could you feel the love from the England crowd tonight, you personally? Yeah, yeah I could tonight, especially in that shootout, they were cheering non-stop and it just helps you, it helps you get that little bit of an edge over them and

push you on and I don't know, stretch a little extra for each dive and put a lot more power in but no, they were definitely behind me and I really appreciated all the support. Hannah you were fantastic the entire game, well done, go and enjoy this moment, you've earned it. Thank you very much, thank you. Out of interest KB, have you ever done a penalty shootout with a tampon up your nose? Can't say that I have, no. Unfortunately I never had to experience that but hey, winning in such a manner I would do anything with up my nose I suppose to win in that way. I'm sure that's gonna be an advert soon.

Get that on a poster. I was just gonna say it's almost the reverse of the Gareth Southgate advert isn't it when he missed the penalty at 96 and then ended up doing the advert for the pizza with the bag over his head and then actually Hannah Hampton could now do one with saving the goals. Yeah, anyway, moving on. Flipping that around though, Steph, it was a strange experience watching a penalty shootout where, I don't know about you, but I felt as it went on and England kept missing, I had more confidence in what Hannah Hampton was doing as opposed to the,

the sort of, what would you call it? The impetus being with the striker? Yeah I think Kiabi probably knows more than me in the sense of she's a keeper, you've probably got a little bit more leeway in the sense of that. Have I asked the wrong person here? I think you definitely have. But I was more thinking from the perspective of watching it and where you think those nerves or what went wrong for England from the shooting side. Yeah, I mean, I can't really talk. I missed the penalty in the semi-final of a World Cup.

But you know what it is, I think sometimes, I think the keeper missing is big and I think as an England player and as an England goalkeeper you should have so much more confidence coming from that. But I mean, the penalties weren weren't the greatest if I'm being honest. I think you look at the penalty shootout the quality wasn't great but I think you've got to give credit to Hannah Hampton. I'm just going to stop you there. Gary Flintoff down in the tunnel for us. Thank you Katie. Michelle Adjiman is here with a great smile on her face. I mean dramatic. I'm not entirely sure I've seen a penalty shooter like that

before in my entire lifetime. Neither. I don't think I've been part of many, obviously, because of being so young, but you know, it's a great experience and the girls pulled it through at the end. Grateful for everyone that's taken a penalty, for Hannah, for them fantastic saves and yeah, just happy to be through to the next round. I mean, Sweden asked a lot of questions of you tonight. You were one of the players sent on to change things. What were the instructions from Serena Wigman? I think being 2-0 down, we need to go and chase the goal. That's the most important thing.

You can't go and change a game without getting the goal. So I think that was the most important message before we went on to go and change the game, go and put them on the back foot and I think that's what we did. Now you scored an absolutely crucial goal It was the equalizer. It ensured the game went into extra time Talked me through it. What can you actually remember of it? Not much Just I think when I got in front of the keeper, it was so close. I thought I was gonna miss but You know, thank God it went through her legs and it went in and yeah

It was a crucial moment in the game like you were saying, you know They were under so much pressure and sometimes it's hard to convert those into goals but we did what we did and we're here now today so yeah can't be happier. Was it a game you've enjoyed or was it a game you've endured? Both. You know I think those games kind of build your character as a player it was great to be a part of and I'm grateful to have been on the pitch and share that moment with the rest of my teammates and you know our fight, our resilience, our character was shown today. Well you've more than played your part

today. Well done, congratulations and enjoy tonight. Thank you so much. Michelle Ajamann there with Gary Flintoff after that crucial equaliser, Steph Horton coming on. She didn't have to take a penalty but the way she's been performing those cameo minutes we saw against France, what she did tonight, she probably wouldn't bet against us knocking one in for England as well for this spot. To be honest I was thinking that she was going to be the next one if just being a forward with that striker's instinct but honestly there's someone in her first tournament for England I think she should be really

proud of the contribution that she's made. I think especially in that France game, she caused problems. But tonight especially, she came on and did the job that I presume that Serena's told her to in terms of, you just don't let the centre-half settle, you rough them up a little bit, you use your body. I think she got a yellow card as well. I think that's someone that just comes on with no fear

and just has nothing to lose. And she really did prove the difference and that goal you've got to be on your toes you've got to be ready for that knockdown and she was in the right place at the right time. Does it change anything Karen perhaps going forward for Serena Beegman when they face Italy do you do you stick to up front is she still a wild-card substitute? I think it's certainly something that Serena needs to consider, isn't it? But I think, you know, the physical profile that Michelle has, like what Steph said, was something that the game was crying out for.

Like for me, when I was watching that, I thought the back line for Sweden just looked so comfortable. They rarely had any sort of threat. They weren't getting really worked out of position. They just looked like it was easy. So, you know, obviously you've got the likes of Aggie Beaver-Jones that has a lot of mobility as well, but just the sheer threat of someone being able to win those headers, being able to be up

against that back line, the delivery, I still don't think it's gonna be something that Serena would set out to do because the element of surprise is something the delivery. I still don't think it's going to be something that Serena would set out to do because the element of surprise is something that I think plays really well in England's favor. But on that, have England become too predictable? Because we can't ignore... I don't disagree with you. That the first 80% of the match was quite a difficult watch.

And part of that perhaps is because Sweden knew exactly what was coming. Yeah, no, I agree with you entirely. I think like, and that's why I felt so disappointed really with the first half performance in particular was what Sweden did was not a surprise at all. You know, the way they transitioned, the way what Stina Blaxinius got in behind. And I think the way that they tried to build through the midfield with Kira essentially being that you know, the way that they tried to build through the midfield with Kira essentially being that solo, you know, midfield link, if you will, that deep lying playmaker. She was just getting marked out of the game. And so I think we need to just look at ways of having an extra pass in midfield, like what LJ started to do, come a bit deeper, like what, you know, Ella Toon and Georgia Stanway started to do. But it was the substitutions ultimately that made the biggest impact and then obviously a bit of change in formation as well.

I think it's going to be fascinating to hear Serena Vigman's thoughts on this because it's one thing being able to change it masterfully from the bench as she has done tonight. It's another to say the margins were so, so fine that England just had enough time to do that. And it's another thing to say to a manager who is so keen on plan A once she's worked it out, what do you do now for the semi-final? Do you look at this and go, actually,

I've not got it right for the starting lineup against Sweden and against France in the opener. And Italy is a different test. Italy is a different test. So I'm not saying necessarily, you know, you've got to change everything for that game, but she is a manager, is a manager who loves consistency. And these game plans from the bench seem to work.

Is that going to be enough to win this tournament? Or does she need to find a better plan A to actually go all the way and win the race from the start? Because they lost against France. Yes, it was only the group stages they recovered. They were lucky against Sweden in many ways tonight. brought behind including cricket, super league, women's euros 2025, Wimbledon, Formula One and much more. It's all eyes to the lights, adding foot to the floor.

Oh what a damage. Drop shot, winner. On five sports extra, sports extra two and sports extra three. Listen only on BBC sound. The Football Daily podcast with Katie Smith at UEFA Women's Euro 2025. Right, let's hear from the England manager now. Serena Vigman is with Gary Flintoff. Serena, congratulations. I mean, where on earth? I'm not entirely sure where to start. Where would you like to start after all that?

Well, let's start at I'm really happy and the team is really happy that we made the semi-final of the Euros again and That the team showed so much resilience and it's just incredible how this team how it keeps work how they keep working How they stick together and how we keep trying to change Yeah to change the game. It's just really, really incredible. And the penalty shoot-out, I've never experienced anything like that. I thought we were out three times, and then at the end we won it.

So it's absolutely crazy. For Sweden, it's horrible. This is the worst way to go out. So dramatic, but of course I'm really happy. The team is really happy, and we have an extra day to recover to get ready for Italy. I mean, so many of your players sort of continue to drive forward when things were against

you. And of course, the changes that you made made a big difference. And I know it's a team game, but you have to say that Chloe Kelly basically came on and made two goals inside of a think 103 seconds, which is pretty spectacular. Yeah, yeah yeah very spectacular. We changed the picture and players came on and they did a tremendous job and the players who are, who are still on the pitch did a tremendous job too. That's of course what you hope when you make a change and that's what I say about our squad. We have so much quality and when you can bring in players in the same position

but they bring something totally different so the opponent they have to adapt to that new situation too and they needed some time for that and that's incredibly done. And then still thinking about the players who didn't come on the pitch, who could have made a difference too. And now we made these tactical choices and yeah, it's incredible. I'm, you know, we're going through the semi-finals, I'm really proud of how the team turned this around and yes, we need a little bit of luck but we also went for it and they really took it on board. Can I ask though in that first half, I know you'll be honest, how

frustrated were you with particularly that first half performance? Frustrated, I was mainly disappointed, we were really struggling, we started not well and one mistake and they punished us, that's the quality of Sweden too and then of course you don't start really well because you're 1-0 down within two minutes and then they had that other big chance and they made the 2-0 and then we shaked a little bit but then we then the team shows okay we're gonna get back we're gonna and we started playing better so at the end of the first half I thought we we were a little bit back in the game, we possessed the ball better in the beginning, we just gave it so much away.

And yeah, so frustrated, more disappointed and finding out a way how we could help the team to get back in the game. And yeah, that's basically your job also, trying to figure out what's best to do now. But they did tremendously well. Can I just ask, Jess Carter had a very tough night overall but is that unfair? Was it more of a team thing and she was the one player that was sort of found to be one-on-one more often than not? Yeah of course she started that mistake but yeah that's part of football too you know when you're in the back when a center centre forward sometimes miss a miss, miss hit the ball, why it shouldn't be in the goal.

That happens in football, that's part of football and you have to move on. And like also she's against players that are really, really quick. So she had a hard task today too because we want, especially when we went into the second half, we also had to go on if we want quicker because we needed players up up front because we were 2-0 down we had to score a goal so that gives a lot of responsibility on her too and I think the second half she did that really well. And as you say it was a tough start and Hannah Hampton was beaten very early but ultimately as I'm sure you learned the line you have a bad start to the game but you can still be the player of the game come the end of

the 120 minutes and the penalty shootout. Well she had some incredible saves I think the second half when we were still down they had a counter attack and she stopped that ball and that was so crucial and I think she had one she that one penalty that she had on the right in the right angle that was an incredible save so that kept us kept us in the penalty shootout. And I thought, yeah, a couple of times I thought we were out now, but we're in and we won it. So, yeah, incredible team performance. And Henna had a huge contribution in that.

How do you sleep tonight? Well, I first need to get my mind slowed down again. There's so much adrenaline now. So we'll see, but I'll get some sleep. Many, many congratulations. Thank you very much. Right, Gary has got Chloe Kelly in the tunnel. It's always a joy to speak to Chloe Kelly, but I'll tell you what,

you went onto the pitch tonight with the look of a woman who was going on there to sort things out. Is that fair? No, I was going on there to do my job and put balls in the box and when I wear an England badge you do anything to keep your country in the competition and that's exactly what we did tonight. We worked so hard together as a team and we pulled through and we bounced back. You created both goals essentially. You also scored a very impressive penalty. How come Hannah Hampton's walked off with the Player of the Match award? Because she's unbelievable, did you see how she played tonight?

She only needs one nostril to save a penalty! You are forever someone who thinks positively, but tell me what were you thinking sat at the side of the pitch at the first half performance maybe in particular? I think everyone was a little bit frustrated, of course we know we weren't at our best and the standards that we set ourselves up but I think Sweden are a great side so we have to give them respect and compliment them, they were at their best tonight and we had to match that and I think we come unstuck a little bit but we worked it out in the end

and I think that's what a great side does and we showed as a team how resilient we are and we've never really had that experience before but now we've got it in our back pocket going forward as well so it's really important that we use that. I was going to say, did it feel a little bit like the Nigeria game at the World Cup in terms of just everything you were trying didn't really work on that night until eventually you got over the line at the end? It didn't to be fair. It didn't really feel like Nigeria performance because I think there were times in the game tonight where we felt that we were on the up as well. Obviously the Nigeria game we had 10 men so it was really tough

but tonight it felt like we just needed a little longer time. But the penalty shootout felt the same because I was bursting for a wee. We're in the semi-final. Thank you, Unreal. Well done, congratulations. Come on, England. Thanks, Chloe. Chloe Kelly there with Gary. We're getting all the confessions tonight. Wow, a remarkable

and a ridiculous evening. England are into the Euros semi-finals after beating Sweden on penalties here in Zurich. Thanks so much to our commentary team at Vicky Sparks and former England goalkeeper Karen Barzi and former England captain Steph Horton joining us. And thank you very much for joining us on that roller coaster. We'll see you Tuesday. Hello, Chris Jones here from Rugby Union Weekly. We're all over the Lions Tour of Australia. Prematch podcast, post-match podcast, on the whistle podcast from all the Lions matches down under. We also have a special Lions Top 10 series. We're two greats of Lions Rugby, Matt Dawson and Jamie Roberts, and we have been ranking everything from... Icons.

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