Football Daily - Women's Football Weekly: Inside Leicester City with Lehmann & Passmoor

Episode Date: March 29, 2026

Ellen White is down at Belvoir Drive, the home of Leicester City Women, for a special edition of the podcast ahead of a crucial end of season run-in for the club.Ellen is reunited with her old gaffer, Rick Passmoor, to chat 'unfinished business' in the WSL and how he hopes the experience of his five January signings can help the club on and off the pitch as they battle to avoid the bottom spot come the end of the season.Plus, Ellen sits down with Alisha Lehmann, one of the most recognisable and widely followed figures in women's football, to discuss the misconceptions around her, why she was so keen on a move back to the WSL and reflect on the impact last summer's Euros is starting to have in Switzerland.

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As it's the men's international break, we're shining a light on the WSL and on one club in particular today. Leicester City, who with five games to go at the time of recording, have a real fight on their hands to get themselves off the bottom of the table. Now, just in case you haven't been across the WSL too much this season, we've had a couple of changes. So the side that finishes bottom of the WSL won't be relegated straight away. The sides that are in first and second in WSL 2 will come straight up to the WSL as we expand out next season to a 14 team league. But the team that comes third in WSL2 will go into a playoff against the team that comes 12th in WSL 1. Now that is currently Leicester City.

The other thing that we know is that the side that comes bottom of the WSL will be a way. from home in that playoff. So a massive game to come. Lester currently three points adrift of West Ham who sit in 11th place. And Ellen White, you were invited down by the club to go and speak with some of the players, but also to have a catch-up with your old boss, as you call Gaffer Rick Passmore, as well as Alicia Lehman, one of their stars who joined from Como in January. How was that day?

Because it sounds like you had a great time. It was amazing. I feel very thankful, obviously, to have been invited down to their environment and to see their training grounds, be in and around their gym session on the pitch as well. And then, like you say, having a chance to chat with Rick Passmore and Alicia Lehman. So, yeah, it was really kind of them. And just to kind of open your eyes on maybe, you know, a different team. I feel like, you know, we've spoken a lot about Chelsea Arsenal, Man City, Man United,

but to also go in and see, you know, a different club and the way they work. they're really, really doing everything possible to obviously get out that relegation spot in the WSL. They're very together and they welcomed with open arms. So that was really kind of them, you know, for me to to obviously go and see my previous manager who managed at Leeds and Notts County. So that was really nice to kind of see him again and see, you know, him in that environment from a different perspective as not a player, but actually just kind of as an observer from the outside. So that was really exciting. Obviously, really kind of Alicia Lehman to open up about, you know, maybe some misconceptions we've had of her previously, obviously coming into a new club as well in January.

So, yeah, it was amazing day for me. Can I just quickly get your take on why Rick is such a legend in the women's game? Because I think if you are new to the women's game, perhaps you won't have seen as much of him, but he has such a storied history. Yeah, he's such an incredible guy. for me, I first came in contact and moved to Lees Carnegie when he was there. He really grew that team. We had a phenomenal team back then, but he really believed in me. And he put his full trust in me to be his number nine.

And he really helped me be the player that I ended up being. He allowed me to be in a team that I could thrive in, won my first League Cup trophy, my first trophy as a senior player, which was incredible, scored. two goals and that one, she jumped into his arms. But yeah, just to have that support and backing by a manager who,

you know, really kind of just wanted his players to thrive and was really passionate about the club, the people and everything about it. And, you know, such a advocate and for women's football. He's doing some great things at Leicester. They're in a tricky spot at the moment,

but he is a brilliant guy to hopefully get them out of that tricky spot. Well, or as Ellen would call him the Gaffer. BBC Women's Football Weekly with Ben Haynes, Ellen White and Jen Beattie. Listen on BBC Sounds.

Welcome. I would say Gaffer, but everyone would know you with Rick Passmore. Thank you for joining us on Women's Football Weekly. It's just me today. To be honest, we don't need Ben and Jen, so I'm really excited that you've agreed to come on the podcast. I love in terms of obviously how we're promoting the game, but obviously since such a fantastic career,

it's great to see you're doing so well. I'll pay you later. Thanks for the invitation, but also great to have you in around Leicester City Women's Football Club. Thanks for having me. You know, I don't want to say you've been around for a while because that makes you sound old, but what's changed?

It hasn't have to be a really long answer, but you know, you've come back into the league after a few years away. What was the draw to come back to the WSL? I think it was to finish the story that I set out in the first place. And a bit like competitive like yourself in terms of nobody tells me when it's time to quit. I do. So in terms of coming into the game in 99, 2000, that was the Centre of Excellence times, into then management.

I've done a lot, obviously, as we know, within the male game as well. But I think it goes back to that first evening. We had our Centre of Excellence trials for the girls. from 16s downwards and not being too where I walked up and went on to Boston Spa onto the old sand-based astroturf and had hundreds of players and I was like wow then the technical ability of them I'm going well if my name's on this we're going to do this properly and I took everything in terms of what we were working on in the tech and tax side from the male side of the Boys Academy, just brought it across.

And then obviously within six or seven years, the youth development prospered and then taking the manager's role. We changed direction. We evolved. We brought the youth into the building. And obviously, apart from the potential of the financial side, never look back. But obviously what we're saying is in recent years, you've seen the game grown. When I said about, you know, the Centre of Excellence, we've got £1,000,

pound subsidy to run it. By the way, we produced players. Yeah. We produced players. That was the other set. And are you saying this as Leeds? This was a Leeds. But then again, I'm saying we had good people, whether it's the medical staff,

whether it was the coaches as well. Again, it's making sure your multidisciplinary team are good people. And we had good people during that phase. And that then obviously went into our times at Leeds, but obviously like we say in the last day, decade of the game, particularly the media, we've got to make sure that we do what we say on the tin. Because sometimes the tier, we're not doing exactly the glory what we see. We've got to make sure that we continue working on the foundations of the game to make sure that

through the women's pyramid, not just the WSL and the lionesses do well. We've got to ensure that it's the best place, the best product for, the girls and women's game. So we've got to leave a legacy for the next people that's going to walk in to take that mantle on, getting the opportunity of coming here in September, not recognising or realising what then would come on from that. When you look at this build, when you look at this facility, all you want to do is get here every morning and grow with these players

and with this staff that we've got at Leicester City. I'm just looking around like this building when I've come in, you've got wonderful gym it's all yours all the women's team beautiful pictures meeting rooms you have obviously all your meals here as well like from you know when we kind of started you know we were dreamed of facilities like this wouldn't we to walk in every day like you said i'd have a skip in my step it's it's beautiful what was what was like the main draw for you coming into lest obviously we know you're at westham as well but what was the draw firstly in terms of where i was in terms of life and the sandwich in between grandkids and the older generation and the older generation

as we know wants to get a few ailments they're ill health so I had a wonderful time at West Ham I enjoyed every moment of it working with them players at that football club and the staff behind the scene you know as we know the people that we don't see they make they make clubs tick so they were terrific down there so I came back north because of family reasons then I think it was around August Bank Holiday would you like to come in we've got this sort of program project interim get yourself in here

and obviously I knew that the book wasn't finalised I wanted to complete the next chapter and it would be very by the way very clear precise what we want to do and what I was told so it was just sitting in the first month and in terms of when I walked in here it was ensuring that we had a culture that we had a culture

that we had a base that everybody wanted to come in and work, but enjoy the moment, enjoy being in this football club. So we worked on the environment, the culture, values, behaviours, made people feel uncomfortable, particularly on the pitch, stretching them. Sometimes people have a little wobble, but you get back again on your horse and you go again or on the bike, you go again. So we're really engaging with this group of players, and it's a privilege.

I'm very humbled to be working for Leicester City with these players, with this staff. So obviously our program and project right now is sustained WSOL1 status and then continue to build and develop a structure so therefore we can leave a legacy and move it in the right direction. And I think right now over the last three or four years

has been potentially quite a lot of too much change. As a family man, bring your values in of you want to ensure sure you look after everybody and care for everybody so that's first and foremost the people and a lot of times is a bit of routine is not a problem so that they come in they feel welcome and there's a routine there's the same people for a certain amount of time because there's been a lot of fluctuationcy and that that can disturb anybody and obviously young people you want to ensure that they have the great opportunity to flourish and maximize their potential and you've bought you know five

players, experienced players in January. And obviously, you know, you're going through quite an intense battle of potential for the relegation playoff. Was that a huge reason for bringing those players in to install, like you've said, about that culture, belief, that experience to really help this group to sustain WSL1 football? Did you read my M. That's exactly what I was looking at this.

Thank you very much. Now, literally, it was having that experience of WSL1. knowing how hard week to week and competitive and challenging this league is. So bringing in four or five to ensure that we have leadership that have been there seeing it and be able to help the other players because we have quite a young team and we have a little bit of inexperience as well. When you looked at before Christmas, we had players that the season before probably only were on the pitch for 300 minutes.

we're now at Christmas they're up to 800 900 so we're stretching them we're asking a lot of them and what I needed in that changing room is the right character the right character and personality to understand it's a project it's going to be a bumpy road but we need their help and we need them on board making sure that the message gets across and they believe in the message they're buying to the message and like we said short term retain WSL1 status and build from then. And for you, you said about you weren't quite done

in terms of like the WSL, like what would be like stars align and you to be like, I'm happy. I'd be like yourself in terms of 20 years ago you want to win everything, you want to do this, you want to do that. Now obviously a lot more maturer

sometimes. I would just say that it was come here now. We were hoping to come in here with another member of staff at that moment in time but it's to make sure that this place is handed over in the correct manner from the academy to the PGA to the first team whether it's on the pitch

whether it's then the PPC that everybody feels valued together as a collective and enjoy working for Lester City and finally I've got Alicia Lehman coming on the podcast in a bit one of the most probably recognizable players in the female game. Talk to us about her as a player, but then I'm sure there's a lot of misconceptions about her. What has she been like in and around the group for you personally, player-wise, person-wise?

Incredible. Like you say, brought Alicia to the club in the new year. I've never worked with her before. I worked with her for a long time because of exactly what you need and what you want. She's a leader. she's professional, she wants to win football games, she works harder than anybody and everybody within this building. She wants us to be successful, she wants to be successful,

and we could have her in terms of mirror imaging, that sort of mindset across the football club, will end up in a good place. Thank you. We could talk for hours, to be fair. We do, don't we, mate? It's absolute privilege seeing you again, and thank you for coming down to see us. BBC Women's Football Weekly

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and hit subscribe once you get there. BBC Women's Football Weekly with Ben Haynes, Ellen White and Jen Beattie. Listen on BBC Sounds. As you said, Els, you could have chatted to him all day and I,

I mean, had the chance to see him for a couple of minutes at the weekend, as you side were playing Lester, and I know he absolutely adored your chat and had a wonderful time. But he is such a kind and genuine person. And I think in the modern day, I know lots of fans will know this already, but there is so much emphasis around data, analytics, stats,

knowing what your stats are. It's quite nice to hear someone. that starts with soft skills, emotional intelligence, understanding how important is to create an environment, a culture where people love coming in to work? Yeah, I think, you know, we're in a world, aren't we, you know, very much dominated by social media, media in general, TV, you're on your phones, messaging, calls.

But, you know, on a human level, to have a conversation, and, you know, especially for Rick with his players, for them to walk in the door and be like, how are you? No, genuinely how are you? How are you? Let's have a conversation. How are your family? How are you feeling? Just on that human level, take away the athlete and the footballer. And I really think you get you get more out of the person. So yeah, he has that real sense of empathy. And, you know, he's had that,

you know, as long as I've known him. You know, he's he's always been that person you could just, you know, pick up your phone and call him. Yeah, I think that's really special in a human being and particular head coach as well. It's quite rare. I was. say. I feel like, you know, Serena Vigman has that. I felt that with her. But to have that, especially a male ally, as we would like, you know, maybe to say for Rick as well, you as well, Ben, to really kind of have men that are backing women's football in the right way is amazing to see. And you can really see the players buying into that and feeling that and wanting to work hard for him. And that's what I felt as a player.

One thing I noticed at the weekend was amazing is that he, he has a real aura. Like he's quite a big guy. So like when he stands on the touchline, he kind of has a bit of an orbit around him. He sort of, it feels like he has a real, impressive sort of power of his ability to get messages across.

And he has a big booming voice as well when he uses it. But at the same time, at one point he sort of like shouted about a decision, like very, like I said, booming voice. And then realized that he'd shouted towards, towards the pitch

and then turned around and apologized to the fans that are behind the dugout and I just absolutely melted I thought what an incredible what an incredible line to tread what a tightrope walk that is

but to do it with such care to know that you want elite performance and he said it in your interview he wants to leave the club in a better place and he doesn't that's not disingenuous

he genuinely wants to leave the club in a better place and wants to have his story with that club leaving a space where he's like, I know I've left this club in a safe spot with great infrastructure. And yet at the same time, in the present day, he wants to be a force for good as well. He's turning around and making sure that fans know that he's mindful of the impact that he can have on other people in real time. Exactly. I think that just epitomises him as a human being, as a person, as a manager, as a head coach in the women's game, wanted to make the place better, wanted to make women's football better put it, you know, the Leicester

football club in a better place for someone that may come along and take charge of it in the years to come. I always laugh with him as well because, you know, he did have a big booming voice when I was playing and we

actually used to make him sit up in the stands and see how long he would last and sometimes it wouldn't be very long because you'd hear, especially at say, Knott's County it'd be up in the stand, and you'd hear the gate open and then just the footsteps like

and he's running down them steps because he hasn't seen something like we've done this game plan and it hasn't gone to the way that he had planned in the first 10, 15 minutes because as a group of players be like, how long do you think it will last? And he'd be like, this is not what I want.

So yeah, I just love his energy, his commitment, his desire and his will to want to improve things, improve players in the right way. And it must have been quite cool to hear that he still had that draw because Alicia Lehman said about the impact he'd had when she spoke to him. Yeah, and I think that's so special. And it's amazing to hear that, you know, she felt that.

She feels that love because as a player, you want to feel that love from your coach. You want to feel wanted. You want to have that empathy in those conversations. And, you know, he's one of those guys that literally, you know, anybody he will. be exactly the same. He's the same with everyone. He wants to get to know. He wants to have those conversations. He's warm, but then at the same time, he's committed and he has that drive to want to improve as well. And yeah, I think it's an amazing, those are amazing attributes to have, particularly as a head coach. Were you impressed with Alicia? She's such a really lovely,

beautiful human being. And, you know, I feel like, you know, I was maybe one of those people that that maybe had those misconceptions and read a book by the cover with Alicia Lehman. And I think she's just an extraordinary human being, been through a lot. And for her to articulate the way that she did in our conversation was really special and her feelings. And, you know, obviously she is one of the most well-known women's footballers out there. You know, she is a true professional. I saw her in and around the group. She works hard.

she is there to be a footballer and maybe one hour out of every other day she maybe does a video or something but for me she is a true professional showcases that on the pitch off the pitch and she has that aura as well

and she's a really really lovely person. Yeah this is a really lovely interview so enjoy now this is Ellen in conversation with Alicia Lehman starting with how it felt to be a January edition to the Foxes. I think it was kind of the same like the summer because a lot of new players signed.

Yeah. So I wasn't like the only one or like we were some like they were new. So yeah, it made it quite easy because we we yeah, experienced everything a bit together, all the new players and stuff. So yeah, it wasn't like a big difference. Obviously the situation we are in now is not like the best. But you see it with a different eye. And now we know like we need to work even more.

And you need to adapt so much faster because you don't have the time to just come into the team because we don't want to get relegated and I think every player that came in that is here knows that so we try to try to do everything we can be the best version and and show everyone that we want to stay in the WSL. And why Lester? You know, you've obviously been in the WSL before. What was the selling point for you? Yeah, so I signed a long-term team in Como.

Yeah. But then obviously I didn't like it a lot after like already a month and stuff. So I was like, I want to leave in January and come back to England because it's just the footballist better here. Like, I just love it. Like, I played so many years in England and I was, I just need to go back. It's kind of my home here. So I need to go back home. I need to play again in the WSL.

And so I spoke to Lester because I know the general manager Lee because he was there when I was in Willa. Okay, yeah. Yeah, we have a really close relationship and we were speaking about it. He actually called me about another player and then I was like. What about me? What about me? And I was like, oh my God, I didn't want, I didn't think you want to leave Italy to sign the contract. And I was like, please, I need to, I need to come back.

And yeah, so we spoke about Lester. And also before I signed for Villa many years ago, I actually came here to see the training ground and stuff. So I already had like a bit, a kind of view of the club and stuff. Exactly. So I was like, yeah, let's try it. The training ground here is amazing. We have everything and the infrastructures. And yeah, all this stuff was so good.

And then I spoke to Rick, obviously, and yeah, he's such a nice guy. And yeah, he's just you and that cares about you. Like I think sometimes when you come in in the morning, some people just say, hey, you're good. But he actually want to know if you're good, you know. And that's such a nice feeling. It's different, isn't it? It's different. And it's also because not a lot of coaches are like that.

And if you come in and, you know, oh, your coach doesn't care about your feelings or whatever, it's so much more difficult to play good as well as a player. So when I spoke to him the first time I knew straight away, like, he's, He's a really good person and he will make me so much better. He's a bit like, you know, like Tigger. I always think, you know, if Winnie the Pooh. He's just bouncing. He's a little bit older now.

But yeah, I feel like having that level of communication, I feel like maybe you feel it more as you get older as well. Just having those conversations. It just, I feel like it drives you a little bit more on that human level, I'd say. Yeah, and I think also because my first coach was Matt Pitt. And he was like my dad, you know. So in the start he helped me so much and I kind of like

when I came here obviously it's so nice to have someone that actually cares about you and I know that for example me I can play so much better football if I play for my coach because of the way he treats me or she treats me yeah so also in Villa before like Carlo Ward she's kind of the same

she cares a lot about players and stuff and it just every day you're so happy to go to training to play for your coach you have and it makes it so much easier And that, yeah, like that translates onto the pitch, doesn't it? And obviously, you know, I don't want to say you're older, but you're more experienced. You know, you've played in a number of teams. You've played in the WSL, obviously your national team as well.

Do you feel like you're stepping into a more of a leadership role? Is that what you're kind of driving and trying to do as well? Yeah, for sure, because I feel also, I like so much to spend time with young players because when I see myself how I was when I was younger, and then you see them and you think, like, so glad I learned so much in those years, you know? And also, like, when you get upset, when, you know, playing and stuff, like, now I can handle it so much better because I don't get into my feelings and I can control my emotions more.

Yeah. Yeah, it's nice. I like to help everyone. Like, I'm a really happy person, you know, every day. I like to make everyone smile and, yeah, just appreciate the life we have as well because it's not, like, given. No. It's a privilege, isn't it?

Exactly. For all our kind of listeners, like, what, what's something that you hang your hat on what's your greatest attribute would you say on the pitch that every single session game that that is alicia layman that's what she brings i mean i think i'm quite the professional player i always try to do everything what i can on the pitch i always sprint to me just more for example because i think like you know my chief yeah you know what i mean no but it's like um yeah i i i really even when i check my data after training i just want to be the best So when I don't have the best, I would do extra runs or something because I want to be the highest, you know, I can.

I love it. And I always have quite a lot of high speed running. Yeah. And if I don't reach, like, in certain trainings, the meters I want, then I would do, like, extra and, like, yeah, just try to always improve. I love that. You know, I said to Rick as well, and I'm sure, you know, you're one of the most recognizable women's footballers. Do you feel like there is a lot of misconceptions about you as a player or a person? Does that frustrate you?

Because I've seen you in the gym. I've seen you in around the pitch. You're a beautiful person. You're a professional. I mean, you want to be the best version of yourself, the best player. Does that frustrate you? No, of course. It's really sad sometimes because, yeah, like my family, my friends know how I am.

And I'm the first person that cares about everyone else to myself, like always. Yeah, sometimes it's really frustrating because I try to not just make myself better, also the players around me. And I'm just a caring person. And I sometimes it's really frustrating because like they don't see the work I actually put in. Like they think, oh, she just goes to training and then she goes home and does like TikToks or whatever, you know. And that's really not true because I sleep every after me. I rest so well. Like for example, if I have training the next day, I would never do something the day before that could affect my training.

or could affect the game or whatever. Like, I'm so, I care so much what I do, how much sleep I have, what I eat. Like, everything is so controlled that I, that people, yeah, it's just, I can think what they want, but at the end is like, sometimes it's really sad because they don't actually know how much, like, effort and everything we put into it. And then when someone says, yeah, she's not a footballer, it's just a bit sad, you know. Does that affect you? Or have you got the right people around you to support you?

Yeah, so when I'm younger, I think. it was worse because I didn't know how I can handle, handle like the situation and stuff, but now I'm fine. Like, I love my life. I love the people I have around me. And yeah, I don't really like get affected by it anymore. But when I was young for sure, I had moments where I was really sad. I was like to ask my mom, mom can actually not play football or like stuff like that, you know? And it's just, yeah, it's sometimes disappointing because at the end, the most I have is I put in football obviously because it's my job. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And it's the thing I love the most. And the other stuff is just, it's sometimes cool to do something as well. But if people know how less like time I put into it, then they would probably think like, oh my God, like she's actually so focused. People can't have fun. Yeah, literally. Only because I show it like on Instagram or whatever, people are always thinking, oh, she only does this or I don't post for a week, a football picture.

They think, oh, she doesn't play anymore. it's opinion and I think in life everything is opinion so I focus on myself and if I'm happy and if I do the best I can in every situation then for me is fine exactly you know you surround yourself the good people you know yourself yeah you're a hard work you're a good person can we talk a little bit about the national team as well yeah of course obviously last summer I went out to Switzerland it was phenomenal it's such a beautiful country we I I went with my husband and my daughter, we went up in the mountains. It was stunning.

But then on the flip side, the amount of fans in stadiums, you know, what did that do for Switzerland football and for you being there and experiencing that as well? So first of all, I have to say, it's amazing. Like, I get the response now. Yeah, I feel like it as well, yeah. No, it was the greatest experience to play at home euros in the country. Like, you know, the UdNs well.

So it was great. Like the stadiums, the fans. and everything was amazing and yeah because everyone always thinks oh it's just the mountains which sounds beautiful but when you actually dare and like experience it for like a longer time because we also we don't spend a lot of time at home anymore and when you're there it just it was amazing I loved it so much just the fans the noise like does has it made a huge impact to young girls playing football in Switzerland now? No, I've 100%

for sure because we showed them that everything is possible also with the Euros that we can fill up the stadiums and I think we proved everyone wrong like about Switzerland because Switzerland is not just about watches and chocolate and cheese it's actually, you know, we have a lot

of great athletes in every kind of sport and I think with the Euros being in Switzerland we've done a lot to show everyone you can do you can achieve why your dreams are, even if the opportunities aren't as big, like, there, like, for example, in England, but you can still, like, start there and then, yeah, maybe in a few years, like, clubs will invest more, and we, they play on better pitches,

better travel and all that stuff, but I think it takes time also. Yeah. It's not a, like, a process. Also, like, when I think about when I came here at first, it was never, like, how it is now. So if they start like to push it a bit more now, I think in a few years it'll be so much better. That would be amazing. Would you go back? Can play? I don't know. I hope I have a lot of years left, you know.

So I can't say because I love England so much. So to live close to my family again, it would be amazing. But let's see how it is in a few years. Because to live in Switzerland and play there actually would be amazing, the life and stuff, having from the life quality and everything. That would be amazing. And Baller League. So you were there at the start.

You're not managing this season. But if there was a Baller League rule that you could bring into the WSAL, what would you bring? Can I take doing like another rule? Because I wanted that this rule is in Baller League. I would throw away throwins. Yeah. I hate throwings.

I agree. I think we should have when you like, have three froans you get a corner or something like that you know oh like accumulate three throwing exactly exactly so every time there's a throwin maybe you have you have need five and then you get a corner or something like that you know because froans are just so like long you know i know yeah they're so frustrating aren't they and how ball league just looks insane like how did you get involved to start with because it just it's gone mental yeah so it's cool and also um i'm I started in Germany the first two seasons.

And I won the first season, actually, you know? The first every ball in the season, that was really cool. No one could take that way from that. No, literally. And then, yeah, they asked me if I come to England. Yeah. But it's obviously a lot of time consuming and stuff. And I just, I want to focus more on my game.

Yeah. Because it's like for 12 weeks every month you need to travel there. You need to do a lot of things. You take care of your players. So you pay a lot, you know, for the players to organization and everything. And then I just, yeah decided that I can't do it anymore because it's too much

time and I want to like take these hours to take a nap and be ready for the training the day after I don't blame you no I really appreciate you coming on the podcast and good luck for the rest of the season fingers crossed for Lester

thank you for having me as well come into your club and see it all as beautiful facilities and on the training pitch as well so best of luck and also with Switzerland as well thank you so much Thank you also for having me. And as Ben would say, and that's where we'll leave it on the pod today.

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