Football Daily - World Cup: A Taste Of Norway

Episode Date: July 9, 2026

What should England expect from Norway?Ahead of the World Cup quarter-final, Rick Edwards and Lloyd Griffith are joined in Santa Monica by Norwegian fans Erik Steigen and Henning Gabrielsen, who bring a little bit of home to LA.They explain the Erling Haaland effect, why football has never been bigger in Norway, how confident Norwegians are of beating England and what this team means back home.Plus, Rick and Lloyd put their taste buds to the test with Norwegian chocolate, flatbread topped with caviar paste and mayonnaise, and perhaps the most divisive of the lot... mackerel in tomato sauce.

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Hello and welcome to the Football Daily with me Rick Edwards and me, Lloyd Griffith. That's right. No football today. What are you going to do with yourself? I honestly do not know. I do not know. I have got nothing planned.

I feel rudderless. I feel like I have no purpose. Well, yeah. Again, I've got no idea. Honestly, I have no idea what I'm going to do. Yeah, I might read a book. I might Sundays. Take your book to the beach.

Yeah. Have a lovely day. I will do. Yeah. Look at the look in his eyes. Yeah, that's great. It's actually quite scary. I've not read a book since I've been here.

Yeah. And I brought seven books with me. amazingly I also bought seven books and I'm halfway through one there's one that you basically I think just carry around as a handbag it's like a prop yeah just always underneath your arm it's also do you know how long it is 110 pages still haven't finished it that's not a book that's a pamphlet it's a novella it's a novella brought a pamphlets to America

so it's also quite early for us today there's normally obviously we record after all of the all the games but today it's basically breakfast it is hence as drinking coffees we were hurrying to get here, obviously. And so, and I thought we don't have time to have that question. Why were you hurrying to get here? Because you get up really late. I didn't get up.

I didn't get up. I was dressed and then you come strolling in. What time did you finish work? What time did I finish work? Where? What time did you finish work? Well, I was working at home on my laptop to about half 12. Yeah, and then I think you probably got home about an hour later.

Yeah, going at two. Yeah. But I finished work at 1.30. You finished work at about 7.3. does it? Yeah. So it is different, isn't it? But you're hosting a radio show, mate. It's not really working. It is. You're not down the minds, are you? Yeah, yet. You're not on a trawler.

You know what I mean? Looking for place. Anyway, so we're in a bit of a hurry. I don't think we've got time to have breakfast. You think we do have time. I mean, if you've been up for so long, why haven't you eaten breakfast like half an hour earlier? No, no, no, no, no. If we're going to do this? You haven't. So for some reason, you start wolfing down the thing you wolf down every day,

and it's really, you're shoveling it in at place. So it's yogurt and granola and it's a, it's a, it's not. It's breakfast. It's a lovely breakfast. It's got granola berries. It's given to them. And then you stood, as we really did have to leave, over the bin, with the bin open, and you're doing one spoonful into your mouth and then one into the bin.

Yeah. One for me, one for you. Just to try and get through it. And it's one of the most gruesome things I've ever seen. Well, you're obviously not seeing enough gruesome things. Very sheltered life in London, mate. But I was, I got a text message. That's just what happened.

No, it is what happened. but I got a text message from you at, I can't remember what time, I presume when you were at the Colfeace, at 137 this morning, being like, FYI, I think we should go for breakfast at George's Burger Place before Pod tomorrow. Yes, I did get up with plenty of time, got showered, got ready, I'm ready to go, and then he just turns out in his little pants and his little t-shirt. In my pajamas. In his little pants and his little t-shirt. I was like, oh, we're not going to George's Burger Place. You're like, no, I don't think we've got time. I was up doing radio till four this morning.

I did shipping forecast and then I did early news after that I should have been doing the voice I accept that and then he said oh we've got a treat

waiting outside and I was like oh this is great I'm thinking we've got a driverless car maybe one of the little white jaguars or potentially that

box one that I've not seen that's nice the light blue one yeah yeah I did a light blue one I said oh that's great or maybe we've got you've got a chauffeur

driven car for us this morning that would be lovely our day off made a money mate that's that would be absolutely lovely also it doesn't feel like a day off but yeah carry on

and then get outside and Essentially, it's just a hog that you can fit two people on. Yeah, but it's a chunky boy. It is, yeah. I specifically picked up a chunky boy last night. But we are two... We are two... We are two chunky boys, and we've realized that...

You can fit two chunky boys onto a chunky boy. You can. It's not... We've done it. It is possible. And it's good fun. It's not safe. So then I opted to go for a little scooter in the end.

It's very disappointing. Through the treat back in my face. Anyway, we thought we'd do something a slagely. slightly different with the Norway game coming up on Saturday. But we're just trying to get a bit of a taste for Norway as a country. And to help us do that, we're joined by the incredibly patient, Eric Staghan and Henning Gabrielson, who are both Norway fans. Hello, how are you?

Good morning, how are you? I mean, Norway are having an absolutely fantastic tournament. And all of the fans and all of the players look like they're really enjoying themselves. And I think I'm quite jealous, Eric, basically. I think that's the secret. They're just having a great time. And it's amazing. We love seeing it, and they play with no pressure.

It's fantastic. Well, particularly at this stage now, and you tell me if I'm wrong, but I don't imagine that many people thought Norway were going to get to the quarterfinals even. So therefore, at this point, kind of a free hit. Anything further. Yeah. I mean, I watched every game in the qualifier. When Norway were unbelievable.

Yeah. So I watched every single game, every minute of it. So I had a feeling, but no one else in the world would watch every Norway game on the qualifier. So I had this feeling all along, which is why I got tickets early to these rounds. I saw them beat Brazil and Divery coasts. And it's just been an amazing time. And I grew up with the national team in the 90s. So it takes me.

Yeah. I was like 16 when we beat them in 98, right? So it takes me straight back there. And it's just like an unbelievable feeling. In advance then, when you're thinking, actually, we're going to do a right here, I think. Yeah, I mean, let's not tell anyone. Yeah, you never know, right,

because it's a game at a time and anything can happen, as we've seen in this World Cup. I mean, there's been some big upsets, right? So you don't really know, but everything seems to align for Norway right now, you know? Like with a fan base, with just all that positivity, Americans are starting already to embrace Norway now

after they're out, right? it's really fantastic. Oh, is that the thing? Are they, oh yeah. Yeah, because they love the underdog. Similar colors, I guess. Yeah, what do we say?

After the US is out, you want to get involved with the rowing. Yeah, they do. Absolutely. And the underdog story is a Hollywood fairer. Yeah, that's what Americans love. Yeah, I mean, I'm thinking about

doing it at the England game. The rowing. Yeah, it'd be surprising. Yeah. So, go on, I'll have a piece of that. If I'm honest, you've got to like the statute of like an Oxford row. And I think, it was training

for the Oxford. Cambridge boat race. I'm not going to have a paddle. Is it called a paddle? Or. I think it's definitely called an oil. It must be called an aw. A paddle?

I don't know. I've never done it. I was like overly optimistic perhaps. But I mean, there are any team to go to San Ciro and beat Italy for one. You know, I don't think Italy is that bad these days. You know, they're still up there. I was always optimistic, but, you know, I wasn't sure until we got the real, you know, real big teams to play against. And then you have this sort of just glorious figure.

ahead in early Harland who I think it's impossible not to like he has such a specific way of playing football which is kind of ambling around Can you do your impression?

I'm not going to do the impression I did fantastic impression I did an impression that effectively have a meme and I don't want to do it again too many people have We've got guests We've got Norwegian guests

Fine Okay fine You can put the mic down if I'll hold it I'll hold it. Okay, so just for context here, I didn't want to do this, obviously. But there was a time at the start of the tournament where all of the rest of the world was sort of becoming familiar with Erling Harland as an opponent. And there was lots of memes going around saying there's nothing,

there's nothing scarier than seeing this man. There was this shot of him where he's kind of hunched over and running after someone. And so I was just, I was just doing that. Do it properly. Yeah, go on. There we go. So you look over your shoulder and you've got the ball and then you see this coming out.

Just do it into camera please so we can get that on social. No, thank you. That's a shame. I love the guy. I love it after his second goal when he just let the hair down and played for a couple of minutes with the hair down. That's just the coolest thing I've ever seen. He must just be like a folk hero in Norway at this point.

Yeah, I mean he is obviously. obviously the best player we've ever had or best striker we've ever had. And I think, you know, I've worked in the entertainment industry here for a long time. And what I say to artists is, it's important to know what you're really good at. And, you know, you don't have to be good at everything. But you've got to be really, if you know what you're really good at, you focus on that. And that's what you bring to your team, to a songwriting session, to, you know, a film set, whatever it is, know what you're really good at. And that's exactly what he does. He knows exactly. exactly what he can do better than anyone.

And that's all he does. And it's fantastic. We were at the Brazil game and we were, you know, sitting behind the goal where Nilan saved the penalty and where Roland scored the two goals. And we just sit there and watch him just strolling around. Yeah. You know, and he's so good with the offside thing.

He's so good with not being an offside, right? Yeah. It's incredible. I don't think there's anyone, any striker as good as him when it comes to that. And then he just walks and then, suddenly he just pounces, you know? It's incredible.

Pounce is the word of being using. It's like he's just waiting for his prey to relax. I also really like the fact that talking about prey relaxing, like he just chats to the other players as well. And I think a lot of them, especially this world, I'm like, oh my God, my God, my God, I can go in Holland. And they'll just, he'll just, yeah. Don't think him and Cabriela are having a nice chat.

There's one anomaly. A side-up close. I think he lulls him into a false sense of security. We're really good friends. And the next thing, you know, there's an arm across your chest. And you're just beating it to a head and you're like, oh, got to go, I'm going to score a goal.

Yeah. And just quickly as well, what's the, what's the vibe like back in Norway? Obviously, we've seen Norway taking over America and people loving the rowing. Is there a lot of like hysteria about how well you're doing? Incredible. Crazy. I think there were 100,000 people on the main street of Oslo, rowing. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, you're not going to go anywhere. And they went up to the castle to wake up the castle to wake up the kids. King three times. What? Because it was during the night. Sorry. Back,

bang, back, back. It's off again. So the crowd of Prince actually came out in the end. What? Yeah. It's a joke. What's a superb country? It's a great country.

The citizens of Norway went to woke up the king. There was this whole debate before the World Cup. Should we wake up the king? No, well, yes. But also can we get the pubs to stay up late and sell beer? until early in the morning. This was national politics. It was like a big national debate.

And then finally they say, yes, you can drink beer at 4 a.m. to watch the games. And everyone was like, yeah. It's totally crazy over there right now. Yeah. And it's a much smaller country, five and a half million people.

I mean, just having lived in California for so long. I mean, it's like the size of Orange County or something, you know? Yeah. And it's just like that national unity and the pride is at a whole other, level. I think that sometimes goes under the radar as well, the fact that you are such a small nation.

I mean, obviously I think there's 7.5 million people in London alone. And how people talk about Cabo Verde doing so well. But I think people just assume that Norway is just a much bigger country population-wise than it is. And it's actually 5.6 million. That's it. Brazil, 213 million.

Yeah. And we just beat them. And they've won the World Cup five times. And we've beaten them before. We've actually never lost to Brazil. Yeah. And really? No. The stats against Brazil are amazing. Yeah.

It's always 5-1-3 drawn to, is it? Yeah, some of that. And for you guys, having been over here for a long time, it must be really nice seeing Americans kind of fall for your country. Yeah, of course. I mean, it's a beautiful thing. You know, me and my family, we've known Holland because, you know, my kids have seen it for years now,

but then seeing, like, their friends being excited on social media about this. Who's this guy? It's always been good to be Norwegian in America. We have to be honest. I mean, there's a long history with Norwegian immigrants coming from the late 1800s. You know, in 2025, it was a 200-year anniversary of the first Norwegian immigrants to the U.S. Most of them, you know, in Minneapolis, Minnesota, North Dakota, those areas. But they say there's about five or six million people in the U.S.

that are from Norway going back three, four generations. So it's a lot. So it's always been really good to be Norwegian. But this is, you know, taking. it to another level. And is there a big Norwegian community here in LA? Yes, there is actually bigger than you'd think. So I've been involved in a lot of community building for the last 20 years with Norwegian and Scandinavian communities and around the Norwegian Chamber of Commerce for seven years and things like that. And now with the watch parties that we've been organizing, it's taken off completely.

You know, we just had a watch party for the Brazil game, which was totally packed. And people are coming out of the woodwork, all these Norwegians that we haven't heard of that are here working for American companies. So it's fantastic. Yeah. And also, people claiming to be Norwegian, basically. Maybe. Yeah, yeah. We'll have a piece of this. Yeah. You just got blonde hair, mate. Okay. Yeah. You're from Monterey. Also a shout out to the Norwegian Seaman's Church down in San Pedro. Absolutely. Yeah. Sorry, church. Seamonds Church. Well, let's say, yeah, let's call it the Norwegian church abroad. Yeah. Well, seafarers. We, we, yeah. Seafarers. Yeah. I don't know why they stuck with that same.

Because they just thought it was named after the England goalkeeper. David Seaman. That must be it. That must be it. The patron saint. Seaman. On his shirt. It was a good chant that my friend got going at the game once.

It was fantastic. So they're doing their non-alcoholic family-oriented watch parties. In the church? Yes. And we're doing the complete opposite. Sorry, where is that church? Because I love churches. In fact, the only times I've been to Norway has been to singing choir.

I've been to Bergen, I've been to Tromso, I've been to Oslo, other places as well. But we did a little, okay, Ollisons, okay, yeah. Osterisans and other sons. And so I've always, because they love choir music in Norway. Yes, a lot of singing. A lot of singing. So I'd love to go to this church, so if you can let me know where it is. It's in San Pedro, which is about 45 minutes south of here.

That's the port. Port of L.A., yeah. Okay, great. Well, I'm there. I might go to the watch party. That's probably what you're doing on your day off. Oh, no. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm doing today. Yeah. That's what I'm doing today. The United States is about to mark its 250th anniversary.

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Listen on BBC Sounds. Now, you, I think, very kindly brought us some Norwegian delicacies to try. Yes, let's, you know, don't get too excited. But let's call it just a general food. Okay. Yes, but some sort of staple things that, you know, they're not fancy, but they're very Norwegian. There's one food that I'm really hoping you brought.

Well, I don't know. Well, what is that? Bruin? The brown cheese? Oh, the cheese? Yeah. No, we don't have that. I'm so sorry.

I tried to get a host. It was a bit too short notice, but... Yeah, I know. It's great. Yes, but if you come to our watch party... You won't be a move for brown cheese. We will have Norwegian waffles with brown cheese. Yeah, with some strawberry jam on top.

It's very delicious. That's how they get us. Our watch party at Jokzer Dailies in Culver City. Come on now. Let's have a look. Oh, I mean fantastic chocolate for breakfast. We're going to start with chocolate. Yeah, we're going to ease you into it a little bit.

Can I try and say this? Yeah, yeah, try to say it. Okay, so this is called Melchocolade. Hang on, I'll have a go. Melka chocolate. That was very good. Oh, milk chocolate. Melchic chocolate.

Mielke chocolada. Mielke chukalada. Got it first time. This is the number one chocolate, I think. The premium. Yeah. Milk chocolat. Enjoying you watching.

Well, it's tricky. Yeah. Do you want to help? It goes well with coffee too. Okay, I can have a little sniff first. Yeah. Smells like chocolate. Well, it's delicious.

That is very nice. I think it's nice, too. I think that's a good word for it. It's not that different to English chocolate. I do think it's nicer. It was quite thick in my mouth. I think that's a sign of a good chocolate. Yes, it's all the oil.

Yeah, in a good way. Oil from the North Sea. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, right. Lovely. Okay. So the next thing is very opposite. This is what we call a, yeah, what do you say?

What do you think that's called? Flatbrut. How do you say it? Flapbrot. Flaprut. Do you want to open it? Sure. I can.

Yeah, you do it one-handed. What do we eat this with? Well, so this is kind of like a crisp bread where you can put some stuff of, yeah, actually. Okay, so this is. Cheese paste. Yes, this is Norwegian caviar, which is not, it's not like Russian caviar, but it is, I would say, crushed. What did you say was? It's Cadro. Oh, I love

Codro. Let's get into the fish. This you could try and put that on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Squeeze it on there, please, boy. Okay, here we go. I'm just going to pour out just like a line across the... Well, hang on, do the flag. Do the Norwegian flag. That's lovely. And I can almost guarantee you that the whole line and every other player grew up on this.

It was absolutely beautiful. That was so nice. I was glad to like it. I mean that is salty. Yeah, so this caviar we use, you know, either just like you're doing now or you can put it on bread, you can put it on top of a lot of Norwegians they do like, you know, buttered bread, white cheese, some kind of white cheese, and then this on top of it. It's really good. Yeah, and it's really good. It's, you know, it's a staple. It's like something you're ready to bring for lunch, school kids, you know.

They packed their own salmon. with this stuff on it. So you think this would do well in England? Yeah, I think it's really tasty. It's really tasty. I think people might be put off if you say it's sort of codro, sort of pure-ed codro.

But if you just gave it to them, I think they'd go for it. Is that okay enough? Is that too much? No, no. No, no. It's never too much. Come on.

Come on. Open up. Rick. Straight in. Come on. Come on. Do not disrespect. the guests, okay?

I think the difference between caviar and Norway versus other places, like we grow up on this stuff. Like we kids eat it. It's not like a kind of high-end food. No, it's just like a breakfast, lunch or whatever. It's pretty much the opposite, really. It's like a standard thing on the breakfast table. Yeah, because for us, like caviar sounds quite pot.

Oh gosh. Yeah. If you're eating caviar and champagne. Okay, so the next one up, this is where we get into some serious stuff. Okay. We call this in English. We call this macrol in tomato sauce. Yeah, yeah.

Makrali tomato. Yeah. Makarly tomato. So, yeah, it's another one of those things that it's something kids, I have three kids, Norwegian American kids. Mom is American. I'm Norwegian. And thankfully, I've gotten all three of them to like this stuff.

And how are we, are we on the flat bread? Are we on... We're on the toast. Oh, we're on the toast. Oh, we're on the toast. We're on the toast. We do have various tinned macrol in the UK. Yeah, yeah.

But this. looks a bit more extravagant. Butter or no butter, would you say? I would say no butter and then you put mayo on top of it. Mayo? Again, that's another tube. This is another tube mail. Everything comes out of a tube. We like tubes in Norway.

Yeah. How are you saying that? Mahonis. Mils, mayonnaise. Yeah. Mioz. Mayonez. All right. So you're in charge of mayonnaise. You just put a chunk on a toast like that. That is lovely. And how often will you eat this mackerel? Yeah, it's, kids eat this for, for breakfast. I used to have Pilchards. Pilchards on toast.

What's Pilchards? Pilchers. Piltchers, another fish. Yeah, Pilchards, yeah. And again, I grew up in Grimsby, which is a big fishing town, so we kind of brought up on fish. But tinned fish, I just, I love it. Okay, I'm going to have a little mouth of this. That is lovely. That is good. It is strong. It's mackerel, isn't it?

So where does football sit in terms of popularity in Norway, relative to other sports? We obviously know you for winter sports a lot as well. Yeah. No, football is by far the most popular sport. It has been for a long time. I've heard the Norwegian ski team being sort of annoyed by it, but I'm really young. What about us? The future of the cross-country is like, yeah, okay, we're going to be the top probably for a good little while.

But, yeah, football is definitely what the kids are doing. And the English Premier League is super popular in the way. Yeah. And it has been for so many decades, I think, since the 70s. Do you have a Premier League team? Absolutely. Liverpool. There we go.

Ever since the 90s, they grew up with the Norwegian national team, I was cheering for whatever Premier League team had more Norwegians on it. So when Oscar Bob now went from City to Fulham, I'm like, all right, now we have Sondobar and Oscar Bog on Fulham. I guess I'm a... You're a full. But then... Lovely team.

But we haven't seen anyone like Hold on before. No. No. I mean, just since he was a teenager, has been scoring a ton of goals. you saying his name we say hollon it's like the Norwegian way how do you say his full name arling holon so here's the here's the difference you're from bergen i'm from also here's the and i iling horloam iling brautolon i would say in also but he himself was that ailing brautolan or it's more similar to you were right iling brout war i would say he's from manchester

exactly so that's why he's like kind of like when people say early holland they're like, ah, he's like, whatever, you know. But, I mean, he goes with the flow, though. He says Holland himself now because everyone else does. Yeah, just like I'm Henning Gabriel's in there and all tending gobbin. Yeah. And you just accept that, I suppose. Yeah, I mean, at Starbucks, I'm Kenny, you know, or.

Henning. Yeah. All right, Kenny. Henry? Yeah, exactly. Henry, Kenny, whatever. No one really gets to choose their own name in Starbucks. That's just the truth.

My name is Lloyd. I got called Roy the other day. I was like, I'll take that. I'll take that. You look like a Roy. Yeah, big time. Yeah. What's the kind of football fan experience like in Norway compared to the UK?

I mean, obviously, completely different to here, but is it as passionate week in, week out, would you say? Yeah. I think people are passionate about their local teams, for sure. I do think so. There's a strong culture around football at the local grassroots level in any town. Yeah, I grew up in this old in the south of Oslo. We were in the fourth division growing up. It was still a big club and a lot of passion.

And my dad was a coach. And, you know, so a lot of time spent playing football and cheering for the local teams. And the team in Bergen is called Brun, which means fire. And they are a red team as well. So I have a like a thing with red teams, I guess. They've always been, you know,

really the big team for Bergen and people are super passionate about them in Bergen. I mean, fire is a great name for it. team, but we can learn I think it's better than grins me. What are you on about? No, I'm just saying. Ignore him, he's jealous.

Where are you watching the game this weekend? I'm going to Miami. I just booked tickets yesterday. It is that feeling of like this is, hopefully not once in a lifetime, but it could be. And, you know,

Harlem turns 26 next month. Oh my goodness. The goal is 27. They're in their prime. Norway has a great team, but those two players, I think, you know, take it to the next level. It was amazing to watch that Brazil game, how much control Norway had. Yeah. Like the whole game.

Yeah, it dominated really. Yeah. 66% procession or something. How do you think you're fair then against England? Obviously, you're aware of the England team. Do you want us to be brutally honest? Yes, please. Yeah.

You're not going to hurt us? No, I don't think so. No. Okay. I think we can do well. I really do, honestly. I worry that you're right. Yeah, because we play with no expectations.

We play with no baggage. English players have a lot of responsibility, a lot of baggage. You know, look at Holland. I mean, his spirit and his way of being on the field and off the field is, you know, translating to the whole team. I also think there's a kind of temptation to say, well, it's just about shutting down Harland. But you've got some really good players in there, some of whom you,

You've mentioned the team is working together really well, providing him with the kind of service he needs. Your goalkeeper's been absolutely outstanding. He's without a team at the moment. Yeah, he's got no contract. He's been one of the standout. I'd say after Harlem probably a standout player. So there's a lot more to the team than just the goal.

For sure. And then with, you know, Nusa on the wing and Sir Lot on the other wing, he doesn't, is not typically a winger but then in the second half having Sheldrup and Bob come on you know and do the second half and then doing that pass into Holland yeah seeing that goal

right behind the goal. Yeah I was so amazing a pretty good moment. It was unbelievable but yeah at the same time England is scary though there's definitely a psychological aspect to all of this yeah all the pressures on England yeah exactly absolutely well good luck and I don't mean that

no definitely not Definitely. Me neither. Have a lovely time but not too much of a nice time. Thank you. Look, enjoy the experience. Yeah. Hey look, Miami's lovely.

Just enjoy Miami. Okay. All right. Stay at the hotel. Just see if there's any nice Norwegian shops in Miami. Okay. Get yourself some nice mackerel. Eric Henning, thank you so much for bringing all the tasty treats and chatting to us.

And actually not making me feel great about the game, but that's not really your fault. Thank you very much. Cheers. Thank you so much. The football is back tomorrow. Don't worry about that. We'll have live commentary of France, Morocco from 9pm. That is a game I'm really, in 14.

It's going to be a big game. Yes. So we'll be back tomorrow morning with another episode of a reminder. You can also watch us on BBC iPlayer and the BBC Football YouTube channel, mainly if you want to see us eating caviar out of a tube. Yeah, why not? Which you probably do. We should charge for that.

Or if you don't want to see any of that, understandably, listen on BBC Sounds. You can find all of Five Lives Commentaries and Football Podcasts. course, in one place, just search World Cup on the BBC Sounds app. There's this noise that you make. You don't decide to make it. It just comes out. I don't know what that's good either.

But everyone makes it at the same time. Makes you feel... I don't know how to say it. We know that feeling. The FIFA World Cup 2026. On 5 Live in BBC Sounds. The United States is about to mark its 250th anniversary. And so on the Global Story podcast from the BBC,

we're telling surprising tales of American influence on the world stage and in ordinary people's lives all across the globe. We have this ability to export our story, and a lot of people have bought it. I feel like the American dream is alive, but not well. From the BBC, it's the United States at 250. Listen on BBC.com or wherever you get your podcasts. The 2026 World Cup started with 48 teams and we've now reached the knockout stage. Records have been broken the way that Messi has been able to score all these goals late in his career.

He's happy to play football and broken records is the consequence for him. And new heroes have emerged. This country's caught the fever. casual fans are now diehard fans. And The More Than the Score podcast is bringing you the stories beyond the score lines. More than the score from the BBC World Service. Listen now, wherever you get your BBC podcasts.