Football Daily - World Cup: England beat Norway – 5 Live Reaction

Episode Date: July 12, 2026

Relive the atmosphere and instant reaction from 5Live at full time as England book a semi-final spot with an extra time win over Norway in sweltering Miami. Mark Chapman is joined by Paul Robinson, Ma...tthew Upson, Alan Shearer, Chris Sutton and John Murray.  Hear interviews with Thomas Tuchel, Harry Kane, Jude Bellingham and Elliot Anderson. 9:44 INTERVIEW: pitch side with Thomas Tuchel 25:32 England's reliance on Jude Bellingham 28:48 INTERVIEW: Elliott Anderson 30:51 Alan Shearer gives his reaction to England's win 32:06 INTERVIEW: Harry Kane 37:45 INTERVIEW: Jude Bellingham 40:08 INTERVIEW: Thomas Tuchel

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Starting point is 00:01:27 now. And there it is. England fans celebrate in Miami. England players dropped to their knees. It's been another huge effort. They were one-nil down to Norway, but England largely thanks to Jude Belliam
Starting point is 00:01:49 and his two goals. England have won it. And England will play in a World Cup semi-final in Atlanta on Wednesday night. England into a World Cup semi-final for only the fourth time. 1966, 1990, 2018, and now under Thomas Tuchel in 2026. Norway 1, England 2, after extra time.
Starting point is 00:02:18 And let me tell you, there are some shattered bodies down there in both white England shirts and red Norway shirts. Paul Robinson. Where do you start with that? They put us through the mill again. Not the most vintage of performances from England, but again, it's a job done. I can't underplay the conditions what they've had to play in today. The game at times was slow, it was pedestrian-like, but they had a game plan.
Starting point is 00:02:45 He changed it for my liking too much within the game. He tinkled with different players in different positions, but they stuck at it. And when you've got somebody like Jude Bellingham and Harry Kane in your team, you've got big game players. This is exactly why Thomas Tuchel has managed Jude Bellingham the way he has to bring him to the tournament because he knows that England with Jude Bellingham are a better team. Can England cope
Starting point is 00:03:08 without him? Yes, they can. Are they a better team with him? Absolutely for big moments like that. Those two goals once again from a big big game player. Just looking now the goalkeeper, the Norwegian goalkeepers in floods of tears after his mistake for the goal. Yeah, tears for Norway. Neeland
Starting point is 00:03:24 who couldn't hold the Roger shot, parried it and Bellingham scored. Jordan Pickford goes across and consoles him. Tears for Norway, but what a World Cup that they've had, their best, their best World Cup, reaching a quarterfinal, but Norway out and England through and that extra experience, we talked about it, talked about it with Thomas Tuchel last night,
Starting point is 00:03:46 and this is, this is going to be England's fourth semi-final at the last five World Cup and European Championship tournament finals. And that's where experience counts, and it's finished. here Norway 1, England 2 and England fans celebrate. They'll be planning Atlanta now against either Argentina or Switzerland. Mark Chapman's here with us in the stadium. Come on to England in a moment but just the life of a goalkeeper Paul Robinson because Neeland is stood in the middle of that pitch, inconsolable.
Starting point is 00:04:24 Two or three members of the Norwegian team and backroom staff holding him up. as he sobs. And yet, and they wouldn't have even been here had he not done what he did against Brazil. Exactly, the life of a goalkeeper, and it's a very, very lonely place. And that type of thing won't go away. That will stay with him forever.
Starting point is 00:04:48 He will always remember that and how it affects your confidence. I had an incident for England a long time ago against Croatia. That affected my confidence in the way that I played for the next two or three years. Something like that, what that can mentally do to a person.
Starting point is 00:05:01 and he's going to have to be very strong to come back from a mistake like that. Cameras now focus on Harry Kane and Jude Bellingham embracing in the centre circle and now Harry Kane on his own is walking backwards through the centre circle and telling the England team who had gone over there John Stones currently at the moment in deep conversation with Erling Harland but the England players and the backroom staff are now being urged by Harry Kane to walk towards the white wall of fans away to our right and they were starting in Wonderwall.
Starting point is 00:05:37 John Stones and Erling Harland finishing a huge embrace as Stones is the last member of that England contingent to head towards the England fans. Thomas Tuchel won't let him go just yet, shakes his hand and gives him a big hug as well. Matt Ups and with us back in the UK. Paul Robertson staying alongside us here in Miami as John Murray goes to get reaction from the England camped. It was a battle, Matt, not for the first time in this World Cup. No, absolutely not, chappers. And it was a battle that could have gone either way. And we, you know, we had discussions at the end of 90 minutes, didn't we, on how it was feeling. Norway looked a smooth outfit for me at that point, last 15, 20 minutes of normal time.
Starting point is 00:06:25 And then extra time started. England had a bit more about him. It felt I thought they got a bit into the rhythm started on top and then the shot started raining in and a mistake has been the difference in the game a mistake and the alertness of a player of du beltingham who is onto that ball in a flash he's moving before that shot's gone in he just anticipated it it's just top-class anticipation of a mistake and and brilliance again from from from bellingham who was who i thought was excellent. Yeah I mean and it goes back at the map what we were saying a hard time you know shoot from outside the box is exactly how Spain got their winner against Belgium. Yeah absolutely and also people are tired you know you get into that part of the game mistakes start to happen it's not it's not
Starting point is 00:07:17 it's not the physical tiredness that kills you when you start to feel tired it's the mental capacity to not make a mistake to to to stay tuned in to do the right things and it just wasn't and you had a player in Bellingham who was the exact opposite. He was razor sharp, anticipation was high, he smelt the situation, and it's been the difference for England. And, you know, we've said it a few times, haven't we already, this tournament,
Starting point is 00:07:43 but it is how England are going about it, and it's working. It is, and they stay in front of those fans there down there at the moment, as Wonderwall blares out. And as Paul, you were saying to John in Coe, we probably think he's probably the biggest group of England fans, at a game yet. Yeah, absolutely. You can see the contingency
Starting point is 00:08:05 that's come over here to Miami. There's obviously a nucleus that will follow England here there and everywhere and go to every single game. But you do actually get the feeling here in Miami. There's a lot more English, whether it's the ones that live here or we've had more descend on us,
Starting point is 00:08:18 but there certainly is that the crowd is increasing from an England point of view. I felt so, do you feel something hit you then? No, it wasn't me. I felt some water hit me, and I'm thinking I'm under a roof, so I can't remember I can't think what that could be unless somebody's thrown something from the back of the stand.
Starting point is 00:08:38 What was, I suppose, interesting Matt as well, just as they serenade Jude Bellingham with Hey Jude and Bellingham looks towards where his friends and family are in the England friends and family. Contingently blew them a kiss as he was substituted. What was interested in that second half was, and we constantly talk about this England midfield and the balance of it. But when they don't have Rice in there alongside Anderson, there is a vulnerability to them, isn't there Matt? Yeah, definitely. You know, you can't replace the defensive instinct that Declan Rice has to fill in, drop back, run back, be in the right position to stop the tax. England defensively are a far better team when he's in it. I mean, I thought Anderson was great, to be honest.
Starting point is 00:09:25 So he's passing was radar kind of accuracy today. Long passes, drilled passes. I thought he played very, very well Anderson. But when they're at full tilt together, there's such a good solid unit. And hopefully Declan would be able to recover. It was a nightmare game for him, really, wasn't it? If you've had that kind of issue in the week,
Starting point is 00:09:47 and then you've got to play in those conditions where you've already lost a lot of sweat and you're trying to recover all of that goodness into your body. to then go and play in that game there was it was a big ass for Decker and yes yeah and again we keep reiterated because it'll be interesting discussions about the tempo of the England team and how they played at times it is still swelteringly humid here there are beads of sweat on my forehead they're on your forehead as well Paul Robinson it is still as we are approaching 5 to 8 in the evening
Starting point is 00:10:20 boiling hot it's been very very uncomfortable for the England players to play in this today. And they have been lucky. We spoke about the conditions where they've played outdoors previously. It's been very much like conditions at home. It's poured with rain. And the temperature has been cool.
Starting point is 00:10:35 This is the biggest test that they've had both physically and condition-wise, I would say. And going this long into a game as well. It's not going to have helped. We saw Declan Rice come off at half-time. The fatigue was clear for all to see. And as you say, it's not comfortable to just sit in. So what they've put in a real shift today
Starting point is 00:10:52 of that England team. Yes, it's not been pretty. It's not been fluid at times, but those boys will need a good couple of days to recover now. We can hear now from Thomas Tuchlin, his immediate reaction postmatch. Well, you've talked about your team suffering before. Today, how do you sum up what the team have found? I didn't talk about suffering. I talked about, no, I never talked about suffering.
Starting point is 00:11:14 We made life very, very difficult for ourselves today. The result is fantastic. We're in the last four. It's amazing, but I'm not happy with the performance. In what sense? In every sense. Again, the commitment is there, but we made life very, very difficult for us in the way we played, how we played, sloppy lot of technical mistakes, not fast enough, not repetitive enough.
Starting point is 00:11:41 We were lucky today. Was that the occasion getting to the players? No, no, it's just... Mentality thing? No, it's no mental. Mentality. But if you're not happy with the players. This is your mentality.
Starting point is 00:11:53 How can you ask you? about mentality now this is pure mentality it's not about no I mean when the when the players had the problem was that the mentality what was there's no mentality problem this is pure mentality this is pure mentality you can bottle it up and sell it yeah so why is the wrong for mentality it's a quality of our games that's it has nothing to do with mentality what about in terms of the players who came in then the adjustments you made very good rich James You back Reese James a lot throughout your career and Reese today.
Starting point is 00:12:28 Morgan Rogers was fantastic today. Epps grew into the game. Chad grew into the game. So full credit to them. But overall, we got lucky today. And it is about the squad though. You said it would be about the squad. Yes, it is.
Starting point is 00:12:44 Yeah, but it's also about quality. We need to play better. Okay. What about Jude Bellingham and his quality? Enough said. He does it every single match, world class. And how do you sum up now what your team need to find? If you're not happy today for a semi-final,
Starting point is 00:12:59 you are in a World Cup semi-final. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We will get better. We will get better. We need to get better. Now it's celebration and now it's taking it all in. We have three days. We need everything.
Starting point is 00:13:10 We need better performance. Thomas Tugel there with ITV's Gabriel Clark at the end of the game. That was prickly, wasn't it? Sometimes, sometimes, Matt, it's just bored. I don't know. Imagine someone's just turned the radio on, Having not listen to the game or watch the game, I'm not quite sure why they'd do that at this precise moment.
Starting point is 00:13:26 They'd be going, well, of England won or not? Because that was very prickly. Just drop John a quick WhatsApp to tell him not to ask him whether it's a mentality issue with the players. Or do it the other way and go, I get the impression you'd be quite keen to talk about mentality, John. Ask him about mentality of the team. He clearly wasn't happy with the technical side.
Starting point is 00:13:52 of the game and I kind of get I thought the first 25 minutes up to the first water break we were very smooth and in control and then it fell apart of it that first half we made some funny decisions with the ball turning it over too many times in and around our own box and and stuff like that he's it would infuriate him because he knows at this level there are no margins for error and I kind of agree with him that we got away with it It just felt, I don't know, how it came across it. It just felt like probably 20 minutes, 25 minutes, before the end of the 90 minutes,
Starting point is 00:14:29 I thought Norway are going to win this game. And that's where it's going to go. And we got away with it. I think, do you not think, Matt, if we were on Norwegian radio now, we would be talking about the goal that they had disallowed, which I still think is soft. I think you saw.
Starting point is 00:14:52 You know, there are now certain reports going, it was Neeland's goal kick that hit the camera wire and landed at the feet of Elliot Anderson. There would be certain things that if we were on Norwegian radio, we would be highlighting. Yeah, of course. You really would. It was that tight a game.
Starting point is 00:15:10 And I thought, you know, they hit the crossbar with the header from Ayer and then, you know, great from concert just to smash into the back of, Sanderberg and stop him, heading the ball and actually wins it himself really, really kind of gets us off the hood. And I can see,
Starting point is 00:15:28 and I thought it was a really honest assessment from Thomas Tuchel to say, we got lucky. You know, the one thing that is getting this team through is their mentality, which is why he was so rage with Gabriel's line of questioning in terms of what the problem was.
Starting point is 00:15:43 He clearly doesn't think it's a mentality one. It's more about how we're playing, decisions on the pitch, managing the game, technical side of the game as well all the things that the players naturally have and I think he wants more from them in that sense clearly or he's going to need more from them
Starting point is 00:15:59 mentality Paul Robinson and Jude Bellingham I mean that's the other thing that's getting them through I don't think you can question the team's mentality and I think that's why he was prickly you look at the performance that they had in Mexico and you look at the way that they dug in and held on in that game and they've done exactly the same again here today
Starting point is 00:16:17 they've gone to a back five and they've been they've dug in. That team you cannot question the mentality of it but the quality of it and the changes that he's made and the different personnel in different positions. I still don't think he knows his strongest 11. I think he's still chopping and changes.
Starting point is 00:16:33 Do you think he's asking a lot of the team? Do you think he's asking a lot of the team, Robo, with the changes that is making, do you think his expectations are probably higher for the performance and maybe what it should be with all those changes? Yeah and I think the amount of changes in game
Starting point is 00:16:49 you know as well as I do, it's hard to get any type of rhythm and fluidity when you're constantly changing personnel and positions. The Reese James one was a really strange one for me. I mean, he came on and played midfield and then he went to right back, but he's got Kobe Mayneau on the bench. He's not played a minute in this World Cup yet. He's got players and he's made changes. Listen, we can't criticise that. This is what has been brought in for, and he's doing exactly that. But I just don't think the amount of changes that he makes helps England during the game, as in getting to any kind of rhythm. And today, looked like they were just searching for answers.
Starting point is 00:17:21 He tried different personnel in different positions. They found the answer eventually because they had Jude Bellingham, who he's got that piece of genius, he's got that piece of skill. But as a game, at times, they were outplayed in the game. How many different areas do you think he is searching for them? Sorry, how many different positions do you think he still has a question mark over? Would it be at least one fallback? One fallback and two wide players.
Starting point is 00:17:48 And both wide players? Both wide players, yeah. I think the areas that he's changed. Obviously, we've got the injury problems at right back. With Rees James coming back into the side today, you would expect that he's going to be fit and available for the semi-final. So does then Conza go back into the centre of defence? But actually the spine of his team with Pickford, Conza, Anderson, Rice, Bellingham, Kaine,
Starting point is 00:18:07 that spine doesn't change and he won't go away from that. It's putting the meat on the bones in and around that spine. And those areas are one of the fullback areas and both wide players. He's got an interesting decision with Stones and Conza, isn't they? And I don't know if because I thought Stones came in today and was very good so towards the end of the game so assured he was great in the air
Starting point is 00:18:27 really punched a few headers out didn't put the foot wrong really John Stone so I think that's a that's a big call to make for the semi-final and he was good on the ball as well and I think that's having spoken to Thomas Tuchel and we know what he likes in certain areas we know that he likes John Stone's playing
Starting point is 00:18:45 because he helps England play out from the back So, I mean, but Concer has been an ever-present in this back four in this World Cup. In fact, the only member of the England defence who's been ever present in that back four. So if he wanted Stones, there's every likelihood he would keep Concerer right back then, Matt. He might do, he may do, but I've got a feeling that Reach James is going to start at right back. I'd be pretty sure that if he's come through this, okay, in my mind, Thomas Tuka would want to start him at right back. And then I think he's going to have to have a decision between Stones and Conta. And such as this World Cup has been chappas with this England team,
Starting point is 00:19:24 you know, you could have a player like Concer who's not missed a minute that all of a sudden misses out on the semi-final. You know, he's not done anything wrong. He's done really well. I'm just going to go down to the tunnel area. John Murray is there and ready to talk to members of the England camp when they come his way. Yeah, still no sign of them just yet.
Starting point is 00:19:44 I guess they're still talking this over. in discussing it in the dressing room right now. I can't tell you though Mark, I had another incident on the way down here to the tunnel in that I reached a point where I was about 50 yards away from the interview room and a woman stepped in front of me and said, stop, you cannot go any further. And I said, but I'm going to the end.
Starting point is 00:20:05 She said, you cannot go any further. So I stopped and the next thing that happened, the Beckham Entourage swept through. And once they were all through and away off to their Saturday night in Miami, then I was allowed to continue on my way. I don't know what they thought I was going to do to them, or whatever,
Starting point is 00:20:26 but anyway, I left them alone and allowed them to pass, and now I'm ready to do the interviews. Maybe they thought that they would mob you and were just protecting you for your own safety. Well, that's entirely possible, unlikely, but possible. Okay. Just a little tip for you. I don't know if you've heard.
Starting point is 00:20:44 don't ask Thomas Tuchel about mentality. He got quite angry about it. I've been tipped the wink about that, yeah. Oh, have you had disappointed? Oh, shame. Oh, you have so many people to help you out, don't you? And England now will go back, Paul, to indoors and the air conditioning, and we will see what difference that may make after two grueling matches.
Starting point is 00:21:12 Yeah, I think we'll see an England team play at a different. tempo. I mean, today and the latter stages of the Mexico game were almost played at a pedestrian pace at times when the team was in possession and they managed their minutes. You can see the way that they play their way through a game. The tempo today, you can see Thomas, Thomas Tuchel's frustration at certain things that his side didn't do. But you know, you can't say it enough times. It's very, very difficult to play in these conditions. The air conditioning of Atlanta and the pitch looks to be holding up there as well. It's very, very favorable for England to play there. It will make a big difference because arguably as well, Matt,
Starting point is 00:21:49 England's best 45 minutes of the tournament, which was the second half against Croatia, when you're looking from a football perspective as opposed to the rearguard character perspective, which was obviously the Azteca. The mentality. The mentality. The best 40.
Starting point is 00:22:05 I do hope he just puts one in that. Just as it. The 45 minutes of that second half, against Gracie was their best football of this tournament? It was, it was bright, it had a bit of spark to it, it had energy. I mean I'm assuming today has been the toughest conditions. Harder than Mexico with the altitude. You think it was harder to play there today with the humidity
Starting point is 00:22:33 than what it was in Mexico City. So you know you put those two games back to back. It's going to take a fair bit of recovery. It's a short turnaround. but I'm sure he's going to get after the team. I mean, he didn't sound particularly pleased with a few aspects of the game. So I expect England to start the semi-final with a different tempo, a different mindset in terms of how they're going to use the ball,
Starting point is 00:22:59 how direct they are, how quick they want to move the ball forwards. I think he wants to demand a lot more of that from the team. And it makes sense. I understand his assessment and kind of be watching it. And I think we can all see that England can do that a lot, better with the quality of players that we have. And that's what the manager wants to demand. And obviously, opponents depending as to how they set up, whether it's Argentina or Switzerland,
Starting point is 00:23:24 they may set up different ways, but I would very much expect them to play on the front foot because that's the type of football that he wants and we've seen before. The United States is about to mark its 250th anniversary. And so on the Global Story podcast from the BBC, we're telling surprising tales of American influence on the world stage and in ordinary people, lives all across the globe. We have this ability to export our story, and a lot of people have bought it. I feel like the American dream is alive, but not well.
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Starting point is 00:25:41 ready for Argentina against Switzerland. How much of England did you manage to see, Chris? Yeah, I saw a fair bit, missed most of the first half. I thought just seeing a fascinating stat at halftime myself, and Ian Dennis went in at halftime into the media center. And I think England had had something like 75% possession, and that they seem to have really worked much harder than Norway in the first half. And they wondered whether that was a ploy from Norway,
Starting point is 00:26:09 whether they were just happy to sit in and counterattack. And then the second half, I thought Norway had the better of the game. But England have been, I don't think England have hit the straps in this tournament yet. But I think that's a really positive thing. I thought the Tuchel interview was fascinating. and it's nice to hear and be truthful. But England haven't had the control in this tournament, I think Tuchel would have liked,
Starting point is 00:26:35 but the commitment has been there. And England have been a team of moments. And Bellingham has just been incredible. He really has. I mean, his first goal was brilliant, and then the second one, the anticipation. And now, you know, semi-final in Atlanta, and I know we like the Swiss and what have you,
Starting point is 00:26:53 but just imagine if Argentina win and England and Argentina I mean, that's absolutely mouth-watering that. What do you mean, you know, we like the Swiss? Well, we like the Swiss, but, you know, it wouldn't be as sort of as box office as England, Argentina, would it? I mean, it just wouldn't. No, just what I meant was, what, we like the Swiss football team? Yeah, well, they're just a nice country, aren't they?
Starting point is 00:27:19 Anyway, just, yeah, nice people and what have you? But, you know, we would rather, we would rather see an England, Argentina, semi-final just with you know what's happened what's happened previously and what have you're in messy that's what we all want mark isn't it um the other thing there with and i'll come back to matt up to here and chris mentions messy but we sort of talk about this reliance on jude be well not as it could be amazing because if he doesn't get them out of the hole then who will get them out of the hole as brilliant as he has been matt but the World Cup over the years is littered with players who have not far off single-handedly carried
Starting point is 00:28:03 their country to the World Cup. Yep. It's not uncommon, is it? It's not uncommon. And England have that man at the moment. They do. They do. They have someone who, to me, has a different kind of energy around him.
Starting point is 00:28:22 I mean, how good is he at twisting and turning with the ball? Honestly, he gets a ball sometimes. He's got two players on him and he finds a way of manipulating it between his feet. He did one out wide by the touchline where he shifted it and went around someone. And it was like it's amazing stuff. It really
Starting point is 00:28:40 is. He gets in situations. How does he do it then? It's just top quality footwork, coordination, dynamic with his movement. He's just got that ability and the poison balance that he has as a
Starting point is 00:28:56 player is just a world-class player in that sense. But what he's added this tournament is he's just got more of an edge, is that anticipation for that second goal. I know it's a tapping, but he's picturing that goalkeeper dropping that. He's got this hunger and this edge that wins football matches. And he's envisaging the keeper doing exactly what he did. Now nine times out of that tunnel, more than that,
Starting point is 00:29:24 you know, whatever the percentage is, he parries that wider and he makes a better saver which sticks into his body and he keeps it. But he's operating on the basis that that's going to come out. And if it does, I'm going to be first to get there. And they're the kind of mentality moments that win your football matches. And he's producing those every game at the moment, which is really keeping us going.
Starting point is 00:29:47 You also wonder, Chris, whether it's a size thing as well. Because, I mean, he is a man mountain. And therefore, to get round him, or to shake him off as he tries to twist and turn and get out of any trap that he's sent. It's actually easier said than dumb because of his size. Yeah, and the confidence aspect as well with him. He looks fit.
Starting point is 00:30:09 He looks strong. His first goal was, he made it look so easy. But, you know, just watching it back, the ball goes into him. And then I think there are four Norwegian defenders who were sort of monitoring him, and they couldn't get near him. And the finish was excellent.
Starting point is 00:30:22 but just as Matt has talked about, his technique, his touch. I mean, he made it look really easy. And, you know, I loved the second goal. I mean, that's a proper strikers finish, if you like, the way that he anticipated Neeland dropping the ball. And I've really felt for Neelan because I think you mentioned it, Mark.
Starting point is 00:30:44 He was brilliant against Brazil. And then he's sort of gone from Hero to Zero, but take nothing away from Bellingham. He gambled. And then, you know, he's always going to finish that. He is, you know, probably a bigger game player for England at this moment in time than Harry came. But as I say, I've just got a feeling that England had due a huge performance sometime in this World Cup. Let's head down to the tunnel.
Starting point is 00:31:08 Elliot Anderson live with John Murray. Yes, Elliot's congratulations, World Cup semi-final now. But first of all, give us the players view on what it was like out there in the hottest conditions you've played in yet. Yeah, it was so tough, so tough. But no, no excuses. I think we could have made it easier for ourselves if we played more football and didn't have to run so much.
Starting point is 00:31:31 But look, we're through to the semi-final and I think everyone's happy in there. We've got training to go before the next game and we'll improve. When did you most feel the energy sapping? Extra time, I think, yeah. I started cramping up a few times. But no, the fight that the lads have
Starting point is 00:31:50 it's amazing to be a part of and I think the fans should be proud of how much fight we have. You've put them through the mill, haven't you, in these knockout rounds in every match, including today? Yeah, definitely. It just proves how tough it is, you know.
Starting point is 00:32:05 No one's an easy opponent at all in this World Cup. Every team poses a huge challenges, but we've came out on top the last three games, so hopefully we'll come out on top of the next two. Yeah, what do you think of the performance today? Yeah, it can be better. better. At times it was good. At times it wasn't so good. That's football, isn't it? We'll set out a plan and we didn't quite do it. But those glimpses and once we get it right, I think we'll be frightening. Yeah. And Jude Bellingham is already frightening, isn't he? What he's doing at this World Cup. He just pops up in the right places, doesn't he?
Starting point is 00:32:41 He does, yeah. When he scored, I was just saying, how does he do it? Every time he's in the right place to put the ball in the back of the net. And yeah, it's a huge skill. probably don't notice it, but it's a massive skill, and yeah, he's amazing. So how do you recover from this then? I mean, is it ice baths, all that sort of thing, or what? Yeah, ice baths, downtime, you know, relax tomorrow, and eat well, and sleep well, I think. Obviously, it's the next game Wednesday. Yes.
Starting point is 00:33:08 Yeah, so we haven't got too long to recover, but we'll all be doing the right things to put us in the best shape possible. See you there. Well done today. Elliot Anderson, live with us on Five Line. More air. Just coming back off to the dressing room. Okay, thanks.
Starting point is 00:33:20 Morey Asht has come from John Murray in the tunnel. Alan Shearer has joined us. I don't know how much you've heard of Thomas Tuchel, but he's been quite critical of that performance. You need a bit of luck in tournaments. Do you feel England got away with it a bit? I loved his interview. I thought it was brilliant.
Starting point is 00:33:39 I think he's, without doubt, sending a message out to his players. He'll be absolutely delighted they're in the semi-final. But yeah, they didn't play that well. They suffered a lot. I said before, didn't I tell you guys that. There are going to be times where England are going to have to suffer today, tonight. And they did for large parts of that second half.
Starting point is 00:33:56 They were second best in everything. And they did get a little bit of luck, but you give me a country or a team or whatever that goes all the way to a final or a semi-final. That doesn't have a little bit of luck somewhere along the line. And I'll tell you you're wrong because you have to have that. And they got it tonight. One or two decisions went for them. Could have been differently. but again I thought his substitutions
Starting point is 00:34:21 I thought Jed Spence when he came on goodness me down that left hand side I thought it was a terrible decision when they overturned the penalty decision that the referee gave I'm just going to go back down to the tunnel we'll hear from Harry Kane then I'll come back to you yep from the former England captain Alan Shearer to the current England captain Harry Kane
Starting point is 00:34:38 into another semi-final Harry and it was a struggle again wasn't it yeah it was tough out there to be honest the humidity for me was tougher than the Mexico claim from that sense we had to show everything again the heart, the desire, determination we show quality
Starting point is 00:34:54 at times but still not enough from what we'd like and yeah ultimately we found a way to win it wasn't our prettiest performance we know that but we're into a semi-final of a World Cup so we need to enjoy this celebrate this the difference was obviously
Starting point is 00:35:08 Jude again today with the two goals at the perfect time and that's what got us over the line and how much of that was down to the conditions yeah I mean I still think we could have played better, especially with the ball. I think, you know, as a team, we have the most important ingredients, the togetherness, the desire, the will to back your teammate and run and do all those things.
Starting point is 00:35:29 And I think, yeah, that's obviously got us to a semi-final of the World Cup. I think when you see us train and you see the ability we have in a team with the ball, yeah, I know the boss speaks a lot about having that freedom and to show that on the bigger stage. We still haven't quite done that. We show it in glimpses. We haven't put a 90 minutes together or 120 minutes together. But sometimes that's football. You know, we're still doing amazingly well.
Starting point is 00:35:52 We have match winners in the team at both ends. And yeah, we need to just, you know, enjoy this one, recover well, and then obviously look forward to a big semi-final. Yeah, and that is now four semifinals in the last five tournaments. The intention was to put yourself in that position. That's what you're doing. 100%. Yeah, it's been an extremely successful era of our national team.
Starting point is 00:36:16 Of course, we know we want to get a. the line, that's the missing piece now. We're knocking on the door, we're getting to these semifinals, these finals. And yeah, look, it's a big week. We've got eight days left of this tournament. We've been together six weeks. We've shown every bit of desire for the badge.
Starting point is 00:36:35 And we're going to need an even bigger push now for the last week or so. So, yeah, as always, we just go again. We dust ourselves off. We're going to need the squad because it's a quick turnaround. And yeah, hopefully we can get the job down on Wednesday. Harry Kane, thanks again.
Starting point is 00:36:52 Yeah, we'll see you in Atlanta. Harry Kane live with John Murray. The substitutions at the start of the second half, though, Alan, I take the one on Jed Spence. Do you think they lost a little bit of control, though? Yeah, because, I mean, you're trying to input James into the midfield. At times he was at left back, and then he eventually ended up in the right back position
Starting point is 00:37:14 where he looked more comfortable. and then you're bringing Spence on to go into left back. But I guess in terms of the energy and trying different things, he had to do something because it wasn't working. They weren't playing well. Madwecki in the first half didn't play well at all. There were five or six balls pinged out to him on the right-hand side and did nothing with them.
Starting point is 00:37:35 Gordon had one or two in the second half, maybe not so much. So then they changed that and then they put Ezra onto the left-hand side as well as playing in the 10 position. so so many players had to play out of position and play in different positions tonight and maybe that's also one of the reasons why they didn't play well but in their defense
Starting point is 00:37:53 the conditions they've had to play in today the heat is just I mean I'm doing the comms on for the TV and sat here now and I'm absolutely dripping with sweating because it just feels as if it's been such hard work for us let alone for the players
Starting point is 00:38:07 who are running around there for 130 minutes or whatever it was I don't think we're going to get that more sympathy of people I don't want any sympathy. I'm just trying to say how difficult it is for those boys out there. Because, you know, for large parts of this tournament, we spoke about the conditions and the weather.
Starting point is 00:38:23 England have had twice in the air-conditioned stadiums. They played three times in the poor and rain. Now today was a really big test for them. And Harry mentioned it in his interview there. But back in an air-condition stadium on Wednesday, which clearly will help them because the forecast is for it to be really hot on Wednesday. So that will hopefully help them again.
Starting point is 00:38:42 Does it matter who their opponents are? You prefer Switzerland, wouldn't you? Do you know what? I genuinely, I'm not 100% sure. Well, I think in the last Euro, Switzerland caused England a lot of problems. I'm not sure, even though they're the world champions. Argentina have had their struggles.
Starting point is 00:39:02 Yeah, but they're somehow finding away as well. Yeah. In inverted commas. And they've got that little genius up front as well, Messi. so if you're giving me a choice I would prefer to play Switzerland and that leads me to the final one to you which is and we were talking about this before
Starting point is 00:39:18 the World Cup is littered with stories over the years where one man can grab their team by the scruff of the neck and take them all the way and England have that man yeah and I just I mean I wouldn't be worried about people saying oh we're relying too much on Harry Kane or Jude Bellingham is tonight so what there are big stars
Starting point is 00:39:36 the big stars turn up and the big moments when you need them and so be it If he has to go again in the semi-final and score too, we have to rely on him to pull us back and get us to a final. I'm not bothered that one bit. And what a story. I mean, he's been, I don't know, in the games, he's probably got four-man of the matches himself, isn't he?
Starting point is 00:39:54 Unbelievable. Are you all right getting down the stairs in this heat and everything? I'm getting up to 56 now, you know, chappas. It's getting harder this. In this heat especially. Right, see you in that, Lanter on Wednesday. See you there. Come away, thanks.
Starting point is 00:40:10 let's hear from the man who got man of the match, as Alan was saying, and the man who got both of the goals, Jude Bellingham, with Kelly Summers. Boy Jude, the camera pan straight to you at full-time. Another Jude Bellingham Masterclass means England are in the semi-final. I think it was an England masterclass in a different way. Obviously, it's not one of them where we pop the ball and have a million chances, but it's an England masterclass with the fight and the spirit. Again, I'm so proud of the team of what we managed to produce here.
Starting point is 00:40:38 I know people say we didn't play the best or whatever. but I don't think people understand how difficult those kind of games are. In Miami, the heat was unbelievable humidity. We could all feel it. By the end, we were dead. So, yeah, credit to all the LASD, they left everything out there, and we'll have to find it again to go for Switzerland or Argentina. You're proud of the LAS, but they're proud of you.
Starting point is 00:40:58 They keep on bigging you up. Tell me what happens in your brain. When England go behind, it looks like it just lights something inside of you to want to get the team out of whatever they're in. I always kind of think, well, what changes, you know what I mean, whether you're one-nill down, two-nodd-down. and you still want to score the next goal as if it's nil-nil or 1-0 to you. So nothing changes in my mind.
Starting point is 00:41:16 I think it's a calmness. Ammingst all the emotions and all the things that go through my head. There is a sense of calmness as well. I trust in my ability, but most importantly, and more so I trust in the abilities of my teammates and the work and the effort they put into it. Are you playing at your highest level at the moment because it felt like you came into the tournament
Starting point is 00:41:35 with a point to prove and it just keeps on kind of going? Yeah, I'm enjoying my football, I think. I'm blessed to be in this position to help my country win football games and that's what I can really say. I don't know if it's my best or whatever else. I don't really care. As long as we can keep winning the game, then that's all that matters. In England during a World Cup semi-final, that doesn't sound too bad, does it?
Starting point is 00:41:55 I mean, it doesn't happen every so often. So we're really proud of that achievement. I think we can enjoy it for the rest of the night. See, we're playing by the time we land, and then tomorrow we go again to prepare for that one. Jude Belliam with Kelly Summers. John Murray is still in the tunnel, get some more reaction as well. Do you know what's really annoying?
Starting point is 00:42:16 Matt still with us and Paul still with us. Chris Sutton has come up with a line that I wish I had thought of when John was telling the story about the lady who stopped him because the Beckham's walked past. Yeah. He said the lady should have just said to John, stop right now. Thank you very much. How annoying.
Starting point is 00:42:34 How annoying that Chris has come up with that and none of us were quick enough to do it. We can hear from Thomas Tuchel with John Murray. Yes, Thomas Tuchel is here. Thomas, we knew in the build-up to this tournament that the point would come where you would play in extremely hot and difficult conditions and that was it today, wasn't it?
Starting point is 00:42:54 It was very humid, yeah. We were, I think, quite lucky that the sun was not out and we had not the direct impact of the sun, which would have made it, I think, extremely difficult. But it was difficult enough. It was very humid and, yeah, you could see we struggled. You had to climb a mountain again, didn't you? Again, 120 minutes and they climbed it again.
Starting point is 00:43:13 I mean, full credit to their team spirit and to their belief and they find ways to win and they dig it out and they dig it out. It's amazing. So, yeah, full credit and unbelievable. Jude Bellingham just has that happy knack, doesn't he? That's what very, very good players do, isn't it? That's what very good players do, show up in tough moments and he has the belief and he scores decisive goals.
Starting point is 00:43:40 For us, he shows up again and again, so full credit to him, another top performance, another decisive performance. Yeah, absolutely brilliant. And the story rolls on. Story rolls on thanks to our spirit, thanks to our belief, thanks to our substitutes, the spirit of the substitutes, who are always ready to have impact and did it again, gave a lot of stability and a lot of quality today. Yeah, still a lot to improve. I feel it was maybe from purely football side was one of the, yeah,
Starting point is 00:44:14 was on a lower level than our other matches. But that's what it is. Yeah. No, no need to say sorry. We made it. That was the job done and we still have stuff to improve. We were talking earlier about the selection dilemmas
Starting point is 00:44:30 that he will have. Do you think, Matt, would you agree with Paul that it comes to both wide men and right back? Are they the three? Yeah. Yeah, I think that's the obvious one. I mean, the centre half situation may start to creep in a little bit now after the display that John Stone's put down there.
Starting point is 00:44:48 But I expect that Rich James will potentially if he stays fit, solve that right-back position if England were to go through to the final and he was to play in the semi, if he's fit enough to play 90 minutes. There's all these questions, chap, is all time, isn't there? You know, you hear, have people got 90 minutes in them? Can they start the game? the squad. So all of these decisions are being made all the time and being balanced.
Starting point is 00:45:10 But the form of our wide players is so erratic, isn't it? I've seen moments from Marcus Rashford that look great and then moments where, you know, he's giving away the ball too much and Gordon will have a great game and then not look quite so good. Maddewski today. Like Alan said, I felt didn't offer a lot in the first half at all. And then Saka actually, when he came, and I thought Saka really impacted the game and did a couple of really good things, got the better of his man.
Starting point is 00:45:38 So the wide players, the kind of performance level, so up and down, that he's just happened to kind of pick a different setup every single game. That's it for in the Football Daily podcast. There'll be more reaction to England's win over Norway when the next one drops late. Hi, this is Alice James. It's the middle of the night. You've just been following a World Cup match. Now you can't sleep because your body clock is all over the place.
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