Football Daily - World Cup: England beat Panama – 5 Live Reaction

Episode Date: June 28, 2026

Relive the atmosphere and instant reaction from 5 Live at full-time as England beat Panama at New York New Jersey Stadium to finish top of Group L at the FIFA World Cup. Mark Chapman is joined by Alan Shearer, Matthew Upson, Paul Robinson and correspondent John Murray. Also hear from Jude Bellingham, Thomas Tuchel, Marcus Rashford, Ezri Konsa and Harry Kane.INTERVIEWS 09:55 Jude Bellingham, 15:50 Thomas Tuchel, 21:15 Marcus Rashford, 25:35 Ezri Konsa, 31:00 Harry Kane.5 Live / BBC Sounds commentaries: Sun 2000 South Africa v Canada in Last 32, Mon 1800 Brazil v Japan in Last 32, Mon 2130 Germany v Paraguay in Last 32, Tue 0200 Netherlands v Morocco in Last 32, Tue 1800 Ivory Coast v Norway in Last 32, Tue 2200 France v Sweden in Last 32.

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this tournament but the job is done this match is won and they've topped the group two-nill against Panama Alan Shearer well the first aim is to win the game secondly can you win the game and put in a really good performance probably not no there's plenty to work on, but they've won the game. They've had to rely on the brilliance of Bellingham and Kane and Anderson, but that's fine. So many other teams rely on their big hitters, so England can do that.

One or two wobbles defensively, but all and all, the belief in the conference that this should give them going forward. It's been a good afternoon. Yep, Jude Bellingham with his eighth goal for England, his second at this World Cup, and then setting up the goal five minutes later for Harry Kane to head in what was.

his record 11th goal for England edging ahead of Gary Lineca at the top of that particular list. So Panama nil, England too it is, and England will be heading to the round of 32 in Atlanta. That's their next date on Weddon State. So 2-0 to England and here's Mark Chapman with us in the stadium. I think you could already guess, can you John, what they're going to say to you when you go and interview them. You know, the players will say, well, we've topped the group, and that's all that matters. Thomas Tinkle will say, we've topped the group, and there are probably some things to work on. And it's actually the same as it was under Gareth Southgate, and we heard him say that so much.

At a tournament, you've got to negotiate your way through the tournament, and that's what they've done to this point. And, okay, they haven't lived up to that thrilling period that they played in the second half in these two matches. but as Thomas Trickel, I'm sure will say, completely different matches and completely different opponents. Well, what will be interested in the knockout stages, Alan, is who they come up against who choose to play like Croatia, i.e. go toe-to-to-to-to with them, or who they come up against in the knockout stages,

and decide to do what Panama or Gama did. Well, if it is going to be D.R. Congo, then I guess they'll play the same as, gone to have and the same as they have today where it will be defensively and they will try and hit England on the break and that's when you're more reliant on players producing that that piece of magic to get you out of a of a tricky spot positives without doubt today cane getting his goal Bellingham getting his goal and the assist I thought Elliot Anderson in midfield was superb I thought gay at times uses pace to great effect when England were in one or two spots of bother.

And that would be the thing to work on because the further they go, the better opposition in particular in forward positions. And if you give the chances one or two that they have given today, then you will be punished. But we are looking tough for perfection, aren't we? As we said, the aim was to win the group. The aim today was to win the game and then you can have one or two little pick bits and see what can be improved.

And that is no doubt with what the manager you will see. Scotland are going home. They will be leaving Charlotte, where they are the England players at the moment currently standing in front of their fans as Wonderwall rings out here and the fans are singing that back to their players

as they stand there, just looking at the fans up in the stands here at the MetLife Stadium. Matthew Upsom with us as well. Your overall thoughts at the end of that? Yeah, I mean, pretty similar to the guy. really in the sense that there were moments in the game where it looked a little bit stale. We looked a little bit shaky on the break certainly. I thought we had more problems to deal with than obviously in the Garner game and it stretched us a little bit more.

But we have one or two players that can produce something. Drew Bellingham was outstanding, I thought, in terms of how he approached the game. I think sometimes he gets a little bit kind of too much in terms of wanting it so badly. and the frustration creeps out and I saw it in the first half a little bit and then the second just started to be more measured some of the timing of his runs

was excellent and the goal and the assist for Harry came was just brilliant so you rely on those moments a little bit but doesn't every team sooner or later you rely on your star play or your creative players to produce something and England did that in the end

after having a big amount of the game and a lot of control of the ball Wayne Rooney said after the opening goal Alan he said if you cross the ball you cause problems everything from England have been too much in the middle they have been too narrow the issue going forward is how they will break teams down if they don't get the ball out wide and put crosses it

well they had the ball out wide in the first half I said it but they're cut in didn't they both soccer on the right hand side had too many times and cut cut in to use the left hand left foot I should say and whip it in Rashford on the left hand side, cutting inside for that right foot. And that makes it slightly easier for defenders to clear. Yet you saw balls, I think, particularly with Bellingham,

in the way he twisted and turned and then clip that ball to the far post. I think England do look more dangerous when they go on the outside. As I said, it's a lot more difficult for defenders and easier for forwards because you can make your run once you know that's coming in. It's harder to get on a in-swinger from a right foot on the left. versus on the right than it is going on the outside and attacking the ball if someone's crossing with the left from the left or from the right from the right and those outside options are then more complicated by the fact he could have lost another

right back this afternoon yeah I mean we're yet to see whether he will regret those decisions he all of a sudden he loses Libremento he loses Rees James he loses Quonsor who he then brings into place right back and he's asked to bring Jed Spence on he has still got options he can play Spence he can play concert in that right back position and bring John Stone's into centre half but my concern would be for John if he hasn't played the last two games is he carrying an injury too but those are all questions for tomorrow tonight they've won the group they've won the game and hopefully

they'll take a bit of belief in confidence from that going forward I know it's a question for tomorrow but can I ask it to Matt as well well yeah because you're a nice guy will allow you though oh thank you thank you very much because they are the they are the options that are there that Alan has pointed out and maybe they can play this clip out again tomorrow and then it then it fills a hole for them it fills a hole for them there but you could have you could have concert right but you could bring stones in you never know bearing in mind right at the star we talked about how he maybe would want Jed Spence to do a certain job on a

certain winning depending on who they were up against he still may want Jed Spence as left back at times. Yeah. Are you confused, chap? It's all a little bit kind of players in different places and it's not ideal. There's no escaping it from my view.

In that situation, with a back four, certainly centre back part pairing and your fullback. It's changed every game. I'm not sure you can keep going in this fashion. He's going to have to now

because he's plugging holes. And like you say, It's been unfortunate, a bit of bad luck here and there and those decisions that we're going to see how they play out. But it's not ideal. And I think as you go deeper into the tournament, the uncertainty that we feel, and it is something there when we're watching these games,

even though we're doing well and we're churning through the stages of the tournament, there's something there that is a little bit of uncertainty and the change doesn't help. Sorry, Mike. He's actually searching, isn't he? You feel as if... Yeah.

I feel as if he's searching for the... the combinations on the right side and the left side. He's tried Spence and Gordon. That didn't really work. He's tried Maddewiki on the right-hand side, and that didn't really work, and he's put Sacker in again today on the right, and yeah, at times they looked,

but it wasn't sparkling. He's put Rashford in one or two times where he looked dangerous, but you think not enough. I mean, ultimately it came from the piece of brilliance from Bellingham with the cross for Cain, then all of a sudden England could relax in the game and the game was won.

So he is searching for combinations in both fullbacks and in wide areas to go forward that are going to work. Do you not think that that's a lot of players, Alan, to be searching for mid-tournament? Yeah, absolutely, yeah. You've seen it before. It's not ideal, is it?

No, I mean, we thought Saka maybe would came in for the last game, but he's in for the third game. Hopefully he'll get better, because there's no doubt he's an outstanding player. But he's having to work with someone different again in Quonsa. And then you're switching it around and you're switching four or five around in different positions, which, as you see, isn't ideal.

The man he's set up England's first. He scored the first to set up the second. Here's Jude Bellingham. How do you sum it up, group one, job done today in terms of the win? Yeah, first job achieved, you know, that we came here. to do it in sections. We got through the pre-camp games really well and now we achieved our first objective

which was to get through the group and top it as well. What was set at halftime? You're doing well, keep going. A little bit more. Another gear. Nothing's crazy. We knew what level we were at.

We know what level we want to achieve and we did it in the second off. The manager says that you'll see a better England in the knockout stage. We'll see hopefully, hopefully. I think every day we've got to try and improve every game we've got to improve and yeah

it's up to us to do that. What pleased you most today that the goal or the assist? The assist. The assist. I think it was just a good culmination of play and yeah to give it to Harry again

who just continues to raise his level is incredible. Well you know that assist also means history Harry Kane now England's record goal scorer at World Cups. It's everything he deserves you know what I mean. You see the effort that he puts in

as a captain, you see how he leads us his quality speaks for itself is the best. I think they're playing your song. I think so, I'm better go. Well done. Thank you. Jude Ballingham scored the first, set up the second for Harry Kane.

There's a former England number nine. Do you want to give an appreciation of Harry Kane? Now he's England's record goal scorer in the World Cup. Just incredible. He's a staggering goal scorer. The standards that he's set and the standards that he hits, week in, week out. Yeah, he's just incredible and deserves everything.

on those records he could break for the next few years he isn't going anywhere is he no he's not going anywhere I mean he's coming into this tournament on the back of 61 goals for his club which is just staggering when I when I first started

in the late 80s early 90s he got 20 a season that was judged as impressive so these guys now and Harry's one of them are taking goals score onto different levels so he's an incredible professional and deserves it all If you were playing now, would you get a 60 a season? No, I wouldn't. I'd get 70. Do you know what?

Sometimes I just set them up for you, don't I? And then you knock them in. Bellingham and Keating. There you go, you see. Thank you, Alan. See you soon. Alan Shearer with us on 5 Live. Paul Robinson. Back with us, former England goalkeeper. What are your thoughts at the end of it all?

It's a job done. I mean, I'm sure that's what you've said. Obviously, I've not been here. I've been away doing the television, but actually it wasn't pretty, and at times it looked like it could end up in a long evening for England, but they got the breakthrough,

and then the shackles were off. They were relaxed. They were playing with a lot of pressure, and they were playing against the side, who obviously saw what Garner did to England and frustrated England, and the longer the game went, the more you worried for England,

but actually they got the first goal ensued by the second, and at that point, that was it, done it, allowed the managers to make the changes. I don't think we've learned anything from that today. I don't think it was a huge change from the Garner game. the formation changed, but it wasn't a game where you watched it and you thought,

okay, England are going to go all the way through the tournament here. They're obviously work in progress, the building. He used his full squad again, but actually the injuries that they've picked up, it's probably going to be the most talking point and the most worrying thing for Thomas Tuchel. Did you, in the first half, did you worry at all about how open they looked at times went out of possession? Or did you just think, well, that was the way that this team was set up and they won't look that open once they're going to?

to get to their knockouts. But why won't they? I mean, when they play a better team, we saw Panama today. Well, if they're playing in a more defensive role. Yeah, obviously, if they've got two holding defensive midfielders. With the one against the team like Panama with no disrespect, they were exposed. That offside decision at the very end was a lot close, and I think we all initially thought it was.

They had one or two opportunities. Diaz that came off the bench. He had two chances, put one wide, one over the bar, the offside decision. And you think if that's an England team, playing against the France or a Spain, for example, the defensive frailties may be exposed, but as you quite rightly say,

they were playing a much more pragmatic role and be more defensively minded than they were today. They knew today that they had to take the initiative. They had to be the ones on the front foot, taking the game to Panama, and that's why at times they will have been exposed. Matt, I mean, do you think those flaws that we saw then will be shored up for, well,

it's looking like either Senegal or Diorcongo. You would like to hope that it's going to look better and better and start to look a bit more solid, but there's going to be changes again. You would feel it depends on how many times can the back four play together because that for me is the only way you get better. And the understanding of fallbacks, tucking in, narrowing off, who's going to go forwards, when we're going to drop in,

and the communication between the midfielders as well in all of that picture. building that into the next stage of the tournament for me is so crucial. I look at all the other teams and those positions, very few are the best teams change those roles at all. There might be one or two in this third game or to rest someone or whatever, but we've made wholesale changes because it feels like he's looking at what is my best option. We need to get to that quickly and let it play and keep it going because as the standard goes up, it's going to get harder and harder.

I felt it was tough today because the team were quite unusual, weren't they? The way they played sat off and then all of a sudden when they went forward, it was bursting forward. So you're always going to have situations where you're going to have a bit of a race between a centre back and a forward or a fullback tucking in to win that battle. We got there most of the time. Tight offside, yes, on the goal and it could have gone the other way. But on the whole we cope with it, it just wasn't a good feeling, was it?

And it felt a little bit exposed. Let's hear from Thomas Tuchel then. He's with John Murray. Thomas first objective achieved. What was your message when you spoke to the players at the... I suppose you've completed the first phase of the tournament? Yes, achieved. We got all our goals, seven points ahead of the group. I know we can all, me included, get carried away with our expectations towards ourselves

and how we want to achieve all our goals. but we're not alone on the football page. And we have to just accept and respect the quality on the other side. We found a way to win. We have another deserved win. It is a moment this evening and tonight to enjoy this moment. The next game comes quick and fast, the next preparation. And the next expectation from us to win the next knockout round comes by itself.

So now is a moment to enjoy it. We want to come back here in three weeks and need to get better and need to find another gear and we will. What were the things that you like today that were more like what you were after? Yeah, a lot of things, I have to say a lot of things. I think it's more maybe a coach's game to watch from the sideline than a game to enjoy on TV. I don't know, but I think from the sideline you see the energy that is needed to break a team down like that. the energy that the team brought, invested in runs and invested in the duels to control the counter-attacks, which was difficult enough. So I'm totally happy with that.

We had a bit too many ball losses in the first half where we're not careful enough. We need to take care of that because it just leaves us exposed. So our management of these ball losses can be better even in the very end of the match when we try to score the third. and the fourth one, we left our defenders alone with a lot of space. So we can do better, but overall I think it needs a lot to win these matches in this environment. And the positive is clearly there. You saw it in the end, connection with the fans, everyone is happy. Is there anything else eating away at you, niggling away at you, another injury right back? Yeah, hopefully, yeah, maybe another, for sure, another injury. Let's see how long this takes.

It's very painful at the moment. twisted his ankle. Yeah, that would be a bit annoying, I have to say, like the third right defender, but we will find solution. We still have Chad and Esri Konza who can play there. And take it day by day. I'm at the moment positive because we still have stuff to improve and we will, but I still feel on the sideline that things are clicking and we are understanding our rhythm a bit better and Puyahio is back on the pitch. pitch from the start and a lot of players have now minutes. So I think we're in a place to have the right to stay positive and believe in ourselves.

Satisfied but not overjoyed. Is that how you would describe that, Paul Robinson? Grumpy. He wasn't happy. I think he came across how you would expect him to come across. But there was times in that game where you look at the TV monitors that we've got in front of him and the shot cuts down to the bench and you see Thomas Tuchin, you see his reaction in discussion with his coaches, with his assistant manager. And there was times in that game where he was clearly

frustrated, particularly the disallowed goal for Panama, the offside, the defending at times frustrated him. You could see him watching down on the touchline how animated he is. He doesn't hide disappointment very well, Thomas Tuchel. I don't think he did in that interview in all honesty. And I think when you listen to him, you can tell that he's frustrated. It's still working progress. There's players there that he's lost through injury and he knows that. And he knows all what Alan and Matt were talking about, the combinations down the right, the combinations down the left. He's not quite got to where he wants to get to

and he's losing players quicker than he can find answers. Yeah, I think it's interesting looking back and how we want England to be more attacking. But sometimes to be more attacking doesn't mean you've got more attacking players on the field. And I think this was a game that kind of highlighted that a little bit in the sense of crowding the space and also the, the defensive security that you have with the two, while we are in control of the game,

there's those key moments where you look a little bit loose, well, there's not enough pressure on the ball, so then all of a sudden the break happens. So I think it's interesting to know which way you go on that, and he had to choose away, and he went with the more attack in which we all liked and agreed before the game, and it'd been interesting to see had it gone the other way,

how England would have played, and whether the result would have been different, and we would have looked more secure and had a more kind of assured performance, which we're all searching for. We're all searching for this performance that gives us loads of confidence going into the knockout phase. But I don't think we're obviously clearly not going to get that.

So you've got to put it together, do the best you can, like Thomas Tuchel's saying. I think there's a lot to look at for him. And it's going to be interesting to see. You know, there's going to be a lot of talk around his team selection into every game, isn't there? And that's what happens. You then kind of have that scrutiny as to,

Okay, how are you going to tweak for this game? I'm just going to jump in, Matt. I'm going to go down to the tunnel area because Marcus Rashford is live with John Murray. Yes, sir. Thank you, Mark. Marcus Rashford in front of us. Job done, Marcus.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, no, it's just about recovery and try to go again. So, yeah, you know, we expect to be in this position. We work all season together to be here. So, yeah, we're happy that we managed to get the job done. And this little chapter's done now and we can move on. and keep improving because I think we're doing well but we've got so much to improve on

and so much that we're capable of doing. So for me it's the perfect position to be in as a team and we're ready to kick on and do more. And after the real highs of the way that you played in that first match, this has turned out to be a really tough group, hasn't it? It was always going to be a tough group. You know, there's really physical teams

in the last two games that we've played and in Croatia, you can't give them a minute on the ball because the quality of the passing is just so high. So different games, but equally as tough. But it doesn't matter, we have to try and do whatever the game requires to try to win. And, yeah, we managed to do that today. Do you think there's much more to come?

Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. I don't think anyone's really playing at the peak level that we've seen and played throughout the season. but this is a good problem to have because we've got as individuals as a team we've got strides to take and you never want your best performances to be in the group stage

anyway you want to build into the tournament grow and now we want to really kick on and you know go full throttle against teams and just try and punish him at every opportunity you know you've been involved in them it's a different ball game from this point on isn't it but it seems most likely

DR Congo or Senegal in the round of 32 could be a kind of challenge to what the last games have been. Yeah, for sure. Listen, there's no easy games in World Cups, the occasion, so big. I just don't think there's any easy games. And we've had tournaments before where we've beat teams 4-0, 5-0, 6-0. But it's not easy.

You know, we have to do what we're good at really well to get these goals. So I think in the second half, it was better. In the end, we're disappointed to only score two goals. But this is football. So, yeah, it took good, you know, patience and mentality. to not get too frustrated after half time. We came out and tried to do the same things and yeah, we managed to get the goals.

Just finally. Obviously, back in the starting line up, starting out at the World Cup, that's what you wanted to be. How are you liking your own form? How are you feeling? You know, it's difficult to be at peak when you're not playing so much.

And yeah, the last couple of months for me I've not been playing that much football. So it's good. I enjoy the moments when I'm on the pitch. But like everyone else, I just want to try to do the best I can do on the pitch and help the team to win. Well done, Marcus. Thanks very much. Thank you.

What would you say, man? He carried a threat in Marcus Russia, but maybe the end product wasn't quite there. I think it was a bit hit and miss, wouldn't it? We saw some good end product, and then we saw some not so good, a couple of loose touches, passes. And I think he alluded to it there.

He's probably not in his peak form. But as we've seen in a Barcelona shirt, still capable of producing absolute wow moments. And I thought he brought some energy. Inside, when he comes in the pitch, he can just do something really special. Five lights forth. My favourite World Cup moment?

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But is it making the game better or worse? Listen on BBC.com or wherever you get your podcasts. Listen on BBC Sounds. Okay, we'll get the view from the other end of the pitch for England now. Here's Esri Conzer again with John. Yes, here he is, Esri Conzer. Another tough match, Esri. You knew it was going to be?

Yeah, of course. They're all tough matches. Every team in this tournament deserve to be here. They're all good teams. You know, we know not every game's going to be as easy as we want it to be. But look, today the main thing for us was to get. win which we did top the group and for me to keep another clean sheet was was another positive was there a bit of anxiety in in the performance when the when that opening goal didn't come

I know that you've all achieved what you've achieved but you are human no of course I don't think there was any anxiety we all kept our call the youth we kept doing what we was going to do that we was going to create chances no matter what I think everyone knows the qualities that we have in this team are attacking threats you know if you give them a yard or you give them time to do what they're going to do we're going to create chances and score goals and that's what we did today and yeah really pleased it helps when you've got people like jude bellingham and harry kane in the team doesn't it oh yeah yeah everyone knows their qualities top top players they bring a lot a lot for us

leaders on the pitch and yeah really pleased for both for them and long may that continue yeah and how are you enjoying it you know being a being a starting in England's World Cup team. Yeah, it's surreal. Dream come true for me. It's a tournament I've always wanted to play since I was a kid and to play three games in a row,

90 minutes. Yeah, I just want to keep going, keep up my standards and keep improving. But as the manager says, it's a new tournament starts now. Exactly. We're going to Wednesday now, full of confidence, positive.

I'm not sure who we're going to play, but I know we'll be ready. Thanks, Esri. Well done today. Esri Konzer, Mark. Thank you very much. Thank you, John. We'll keep getting reaction from the tunnel.

The clean sheet is a positive, isn't it? Yeah, I think so. I think that's one thing that he will look at, but it was a dicey clean sheet at times, if you like. You look at the times that England were picked apart. Obviously, we keep going back to the offside goal that was disallowed. It was a wonderful finish.

But there were one or two occasions where a Panama side that you would not expect to get him behind the England defence as easy as they did. but we say that but that's the way that England were playing and they were pushing forward they left the gaps there

for Panama to expose defensively I've said from the start of the tournament England have looked susceptible he's not decided on his fullbacks his central defensive partnership is going to change I think it's John Stones

plus one other if he's fit and that's who he wants to play I think six months ago he all thought it was going to be Mark Gayee plus A another but those defensive worries and the selection problems

that he's got may be in a kill for England if I asked you to name the starting 11 for the last 32 Do you think the only ones that you could guarantee would be Pickford, Anderson,

Rice, Bellingham and Kane? Yeah, absolutely. I think that's the spine. Can we make that question for tomorrow, Chappas? What, are you tired? Are you going to bed? No, it's just, honestly, at this moment in time, I don't really know.

There are certain players that you, know a playing at the moment, like you just mentioned, Kane, Bellingham, Rice, Anderson, Pickford, you then look at, for me, for me, Geerhe, I think, has to play. And then it's about fitness and things we might know or might not know. John Stone's quite right, not too sure is Rich James going to get fit. I think there's so many questions.

The high wide areas, there's so much to choose from with Saka and Rashford and Gordon. So, yeah, Madawecki coming. on again, it is going to have to select. There's a lot of things to look at and a lot of fine detail. Thomas Tuchel mentioned his interview, a lot of details. If you're going game to game trying to pick the, as opposed to having your one thing and set up that this is who we are, this is what we do, this is how we're going to win it.

It's very, it's moving parts all the time. And I think it's hard to get those decisions right for every game as well. Did you both find them from your tournament experiences? and several of the interviews have sort of alluded to this, that it does become a different tournament now, that you do split it into two. You do do the group stages and that's one thing, and then things change. It's a case of getting through.

No matter how you do it, there's no pictures on a league table. It's about qualifying through the group, but the importance of taking confidence and growing into a tournament is what we all talk about. I would have preferred to see a Croatia-like performance today at the last game of the group and go into the knockout stages with that type of confidence

rather than starting the tournament after that game everyone thinking we're going to win the whole thing and then having two really clunky performances to top the group. Yeah, myself as well. You want to build into it and I think that Robo is right in the sense

you would prefer to start a bit slower and then keep building and building. That would be your ideal. Obviously we've done it in reverse in this group phase but we're now in the knockout and Thomas Tuchel has got to pick the team to get the job done. from the England captain who is on the score sheet this afternoon.

Harry Kane with Kelly Summers. Well Harry, congratulations. Job done through as group winners. Your thoughts on the performance? Yeah, solid performance. I'd say 75% really good. There's still 25% we can improve on for sure. But all in all, another good win.

A clean sheet. Playing against a tricky side. I had some dangerous players and they like to play and round the corners. First half especially, I felt like the ball just kept bouncing to them in certain situations. so we found it harder to get a rhythm and maybe just lacked a little bit of quality in the final third. Second half we was better. We was more dominant. We controlled their kind of transitions better

which allowed us to put pressure and I felt like the goal was coming and obviously to get two pretty quick there was a good feeling and then yeah, overall just a solid room. You did get your goal but before that were you getting a little bit frustrated? Yeah, it's one of them. I felt like I got into good positions throughout the whole game but the ball just weren't falling for me. They defended well, they defended the box well,

similar to the last game. I was making movements and it just kind of kept avoiding me. I had a good chance before where Jude slimmed me in and the keeper made a good save. So, yeah, I think as a striker, you're just itching to get chances and obviously Jude had a lovely bit of play there

on the left side and hung up, ball up perfectly for me to attack and it was nice to see it going. And there was a little celebration between the two of you? Yeah, I was kind of running towards him as I was celebrating, so we both done my celebration. So, yeah, hopefully we can copy each other

celebrations throughout this tournament. He started deeper today, but he actually had the joint most chances he's had in an England shirt. Just what's that relationship like between the two of you and the importance he has now for your game? Yeah, 100%. I think today you saw him, like you said, in a deeper role. And I think Jude, it's a player who's very versatile. Today he was more running from deep, runs in not just with the ball, but also without the

ball, stretching the opponents. And we kind of worked off each other that way. Morgan was more the one in the 10 pocket, kind of causing problems for them. And ultimately, we was trying to get it wide. it crosses in the box. But, yeah, Drew, you see him the way he works defensively, with the tackles he puts in, the shift he puts in. I think that's where he thrives the best when he's just kind of free to really attack the game.

You've seen, I feel like he's had a bit between his teeth throughout the whole campaign since we've met up in Florida. He's really driven to perform at the highest level and so far he is. And a word on you as well, because another record for you. You're now England's outright top scorer at World Cup. I know you're going to tell us it's all about the team. but we've seen your importance to this team. What does that record mean to you?

Yeah, it's a proud one for sure. I spoke before. The World Cup's the biggest competition we play as a professional footballer. So, yeah, to get to 11 now is obviously a proud feeling. As always, hard to take in. I just want to enjoy this moment with the team and enjoy being top of the table. It's never take these moments for granted.

But for me personally, yeah, another good milestone to hit and hopefully not the last one at this tournament. So Harry Kay, now England's record goal scorer, World Cup to go through to go with all the other records that he has got the thing with him as well from that first performance Matt and again it's about how how these performances are all very different at the moment you know that that dropping deep in the first game which was so effective against the way Croatia played has not happened in the next two no and I saw him drop deep right the start of the game and the center back cordova who actually played really really

really well, went all the way with him, really tight. They were that kind of team, weren't they? Quite tight, you know, bouncing on those loose balls, on the move all the time, really physical, loads of running. So it was a tricky game. I think all the players have alluded to that and how it felt on the pitch. But he's certainly at his best when he has wide players that he can hit with a swivel pass. When he's in that mode and when that space is there and the understanding's there from

wide players. There's no one better than Harry Kane in terms of assists and deep passing. You're right. It's harder when you play the teams that will have three at the back or will sit bodies in there. It's just harder to find that space. And I think that that has been the case. When his man marked like he almost was today by Cordova, who went he actually into that number 10 role with him and even deeper. And at times this tournament, we've seen him receiving the ball off Jordan Pickford. So it's clearly a plan that England have worked to. And it's a way to get their wide players into attacking areas. And the wide players understand when Harry Kane drops in,

they get forward and they get forward quick to much good effect in the Croatia game. Madowecki was excellent at doing that. And I think they favoured that side because of Kane's right foot, obviously drops deep and then naturally he will emigrate towards that side. But actually with the wide players doing that and Kane dropping in, it's important for whether it's Morgan Rogers or Jude Bellingham, they then go and fill the space that Harry Kane leaves. And that's a game plan that England have used and they've used it well.

fees that you make you don't decide to make it it just comes out I don't know what that's good either but everyone makes it the same time makes you feel I don't know how to say it

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