Football Daily - World Cup: England Through... Now Mexico Awaits

Episode Date: July 2, 2026

Harry Kane came to England's rescue to send Thomas Tuchel's side into the World Cup last 16 - but the biggest challenge may be what's waiting next.Rick Edwards and Lloyd Griffith are joined by John Murray to reflect on England's dramatic win before turning their attention to a mouthwatering last-16 tie against Mexico at the iconic Azteca Stadium.FOX Sports commentator Rodolfo Landeros gives the view from Mexico: do they fear England, how big is home advantage, and what can England expect from the altitude, the heat and one of football's most famous atmospheres?Plus, Rick and Lloyd relive the moment their neighbour knocked on the door just two minutes after Harry Kane's winner - not to complain, but to borrow some vanilla extract.

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Listen wherever you get your BBC podcasts. The Football Daily at the People World Cup 2026. With Rick Edwards and Lloyd Griffith. Live from LA. Hello, you're listening to the Football Daily with Rick and Lloyd. We're going to be joined by John Murray very shortly to talk about England's 2-1 win over DR Congo. It's Dr Congo. Thank you.

The other scores from overnight. The USA are through after beating Bosnia and Herzegovina 2-0. Belgium beat Senegal, 3-2 in extra time. Last-minute penalty from Tealmanman. to get all the scores and highlights, visit the BBC Sport website and app. So we weren't quite sure what it was going to be like watching an England game at 9am.

We did it here at the house. You had gone out, it's so sweet actually, you'd gone out and got pastries. They had, yeah. And so the sort of pastries are frozen, then you defrost them, and then you cook them. And so the smell of beautiful panos choclars

in the kitchen, and we made coffee, and it was incredibly civilised. It was a very different, World Cup experience to previous years. Yes, I think that's best. Where we were eating pan of chocolate, and in previous years, I've been in a world of pain.

Pain, yeah, yeah, got it. From the drinks, yeah. Yes, but the coffee wasn't giving you any problems, was it? Not at all. Well, not until later. Okay. Yes. You started the game.

So every England game previously, you've been wearing one of your groomsby tops. I have, yeah. And then for this game, you went England shirt. I did, yeah, a brand new one. And it didn't feel right. and then as the first half unfolded I think we both knew that you were going to have to change yeah and you did

you quietly went to your room I presume you had a word with yourself well I had a word of the shirt yeah yeah you burnt the shirt and then you popped a grim to be on I decided to wear my the little black and white lotto number the classic came out

what happens yeah you know you don't want to read too much into it but a lot of people say in the hydration breaks, you know, the substitutions. It was down to me changing my shirt. There's a lot of superstition knocking around. So much superstition. It's quite a lot of stress knocking around as well. Like it was a very, very stressful watch.

And we, I don't want to say we over-celebrated. But when both goals went in, we went berserk. We were hugging. We had our friend James, at James over. We hugged him. We were all just hugging, jumping around the room. And shouting. It was good. It was good fun. And then, in about the 90th minute, which was 10. Because we're just thinking, please, England, hold out. Please.

It was the 88th minute. It was the 88th minute. So Harry Kane has scored two minutes before. We're just thinking, please, please. Just cling on. And then our doorbell goes. And we think, well, that's odd. We can see through to the gate and we can see some feet and some sandals.

We think, okay, well, this is a terrible time for someone to be at the door. someone needs to go and answer it and it was you. Yeah. So you went down and now I'm just watching it through the window and you open the gate and you have a conversation with a man who I think is one of our neighbours. And honestly, my best guess is we've upset him because we've been shouting so loud at the goals.

That's the only possible explanation I can think. As I'm walking down to the gate, I'm thinking we have been quite loud. The back door is open. You're ready to apologise. And we have been shouting and there might have, you know, there were a few expeditions in there. There was some blue language.

It's quite polite around Venice. Yeah. I'm thinking I'm going to have to apologize this man. Yeah. I open the gate and he's, oh, there's a dog here. Shut up. That's his dog. That's his dog.

He can hear us bitching about him. Open the gate. And he says, oh, hello. So and so, and so in. And I'm not going to do the accent today. Okay. And I said, oh, no, we're here. We're staying here.

And he's like, oh, right. And in his hand, he had the England game on his phone. So he knows it's on. He knows it's on. And he still thought, Also, crucially, he knows where English. Well, actually, he spoke to producer Lizzie, so he might not. English.

He knows we're English because we've had a bit of a, you know, conversation. And he went, hello, so and so. And so, and I went, oh, no, they're not. We're here. I'm thinking, you know this. And he's watching the game. He's like, oh, I just wondered if they've got any vanilla extract. What?

It's the 88th minute, mate. He went, I just wondered if they've got any vanilla extract. I don't know, mate. I'm really sorry, we're working. I've got to get back in there. If you come back in an hour, we could possibly look for some vanilla extract. You went, oh yeah, sure. Thanks, mate.

And I shut that gate, maybe a little bit too hard. You slammed it in his face. And I just walked up back in. From your face, you look really, like, put out. He's called the bliss. And I thought, he must have got really annoyed. He must have said sorry. And then you come in, you explain the vanilla extract.

extract stuff. Absolutely insane. I think it's quite a funny. And it is funny. Who's baking? Like five minutes to ten? On a Wednesday morning. It turns out it was me.

It was you making the lovely pan of chocolas. You're a little bit sad that... I know what you're going to say. We probably aren't going to refer to Dr. Congo anymore. I think the listeners and viewers might be ecstatic. But we're not now mentioning Dr. Congo. Yeah. I think Dr.

had a fantastic run. We've had some lovely messages saying, it's great, our kids say Dr. Congo. Yeah. Well, that's where it came from. Yeah, it was. From someone's like six-year-old saying, oh, look, Dr. Congo are playing.

We've run with it. We really have run with it. The race has been run. Yes. It's done. It is done. So thanks for everything, Dr. Congo. And also, to be fair to Dr. Congo,

they were excellent. They really were excellent. What I will say is, I think the England team have been eating their apples. And Apple a day keeps the doctor away, Dr Congar. Should we bring in an expert?

Our football correspondent John Murray joins us now. John, was it as nerve-wracking in the ground as it was in our little house? Well, I can give you short answer to that. Yes. I was absolutely shredded by that one as I suppose, as I presume anyone else who's in the stadium or following England wherever was. That was too close for comfort for England. John, yesterday Thomas did an interview and he said

it wasn't going to be pretty and they'll get the job done. I mean, they did get the job done and it wasn't pretty. But do you think he was genuinely 15 minutes away from losing his job? I think it would have been very interesting to see what happened next if it stayed 1-0. But you're right, he said exactly that. He gave quite an accurate prediction about how this match would go, as was the case against Panama, as was the case against Ghana. And I was surprised, actually, how upbeat he was.

about the performance. And when you think about it, the chances that England did create during the course of the match, you know, he's probably got a case for that. But to me, that felt right out of the Euro 20204 playbook. Exactly.

I was so familiar with that feeling of just like, oh, they're not going to do it here. They're not going to do it. Who's going to bail us out? And inevitably, it was Harry Kane. It just served as a reminder once again of how,

how reliant we are on this world, world-class striker. I mean, the difference is compared to now and Euro 2024, when Kane did well enough back then, but now we are seeing the very best version of Harry Kane. I mean, some of the facts and fit, and there's 72 goals now this season for club and country. So he's now past Pellé's number of World Cup goals. He's now scored as many international goals as Fereng's Puskas,

And, you know, he's hold himself right back into the race for the golden boots. So as we speak now, Messia and Ambate with six and Harland and came with five. And also it's the way in which he did it, that second goal. Just unbelievable. Honestly, Lloyd, people will say, you know, what's the best sort of goal to commentate on? The answer is, goals like that. When you can absolutely see it coming. And that was the Harry Kane of this season, wasn't it?

How many goals have we seen him score, whether it's for England? certainly for Bayern Munich this season, where he does exactly that. He's able to maneuver, you know, defenders are there, but he's able to maneuver it to where he wants to. And once he gets in that sport, then, I mean, that shot, there was no stopping it. And also credit to Gordon as well for just flicking that ball off. It was just, the whole thing was just beautiful, wouldn't it? I think we have to give credit to Thomas Tuckel,

and I am going to call it Thomas Tuchel rather than Thomas, knows you were going first name terms for the subs. and also whatever he was doing in hydration breaks because for England, each half felt like a game of two halves, i.e. quarters. Because the first quarter of the game, I thought England were right up against it. Second quarter, look much better. Third quarter, not great. Final quarter, much, much better.

Yeah, I thought they were really rattled in that first 22 and a half minutes or whatever it was. And the goal, I mean, really, really put them off a stride didn't it? And I think the way that Diar Congo played as well and they played with the freedom because as their coach said the day before the match, you know, they've

achieved all their objectives here and I think that could have had, I think that could have gone two ways. It did free them up and they've got some good players and they've got some good players and they've obviously got a very good international manager but you're right, the water breaks when they came, I think we said

Paul Robinson and I, he needs this now. And, you know, he did have that time out. And afterwards, he told us Thomas Tukil, he said that he made the most of the water breaks today. And he said, he said, it was easy to speak to the players today. That water break in the first half, water break in the second. He said, they were calm and focused. And whatever the message was, and he actually said, I don't remember exactly what I said. He said, I don't remember what I said, but I said, keep pounding that rock. He said, We didn't play with fear, but determination. I didn't feel that sitting in the stands and watching it.

But he said, so we did. We kept knocking on the rock until it broke. He looked very animated, agitated, and at times quite angry on the touchline. Like, he didn't appear call calm and collected. Yeah, but you see, that's at odds with, when I spoke to him, I'm speaking to him face to face in the industry. interview area in the stadium after the match. And I kind of said the same thing too.

And I said, surely that did rattle your nerves. And he was adamant that he didn't. But I suppose that's the image that you want to send out to the outside world. I think the England manager is lying to your face, John. But I mean, he was exuding the message that I expected it. I thought it would, you know, that was the message was, you know, I felt that it was coming and it duly did. He'd said yesterday to you,

that we had a strong right back and he wouldn't tell you who it was I don't think any of us anticipated it was going to be Declan Rice No including Declan Rice Again more alarm bells were ringing there because I was at the West Ham Stadium the London Stadium at the end of last season

when Mikhail Artetta put him there for about 20 minutes and it had a double negative effect But I think there were reasons that he was struggling whether it was cramp or whether it's this issue I spoke to him as well afterwards, Declan Rice, and I said, are you okay? And he said, yeah, I'm absolutely fine. But Thomas Tuckel said they needed to keep him on the pitch. So he made the change, as Paul suggested during the commentary,

he said he's going to have to take off a defender here to get, I think it was Ezra at the time to get him onto the field, which he did. So that's exactly what he did. And I think when we talk about his substitutions, that's what we're talking about, sacrificing a defender. So actually, from the right back question, having lost the players injured, he almost for a time there decided he was going to play without one at all

but Declan Rice then dropped back into that position and he said he wanted Declan Rice still on the pitch because of his set piece delivery So something else that occurred to me is in the previous games we've sort of been saying on when Rashford

when Rashford has been has replaced Anthony Gordon he's looked much more lively much more threatening and this time although Rashford did have a few moments it was Anthony Gordon who came on and made the difference getting those two assists.

That's very often the way it goes, isn't it? With wingers. I was surprised today. I thought Saka would be in the starting lineup and it was Mad Weke. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he continues to rotate them. I mean, I think there's another option there as well

that Morgan Rogers could potentially play in that position but I think he likes the pace and the way that Madweke runs at defenders I think he likes that on that side and he does have that with both Gordon and Rashford on the other side but it is with variable results, isn't it, so far

at this World Cup? I think credit to DR Congo as well because they did exactly what they need to do. You talked about playing with freedom earlier. They got the early goal, they sat back, they absorbed, and also, if it wasn't for their keeper, I mean, he was absolutely fantastic today.

I'm not sure how many messages I got at half time from friends of mine mentioning Jan Tomashevsky, the Polish goalkeeper, that people of a certain age, always remember, who made a string of saves in a World Cup qualifier in 1973,

and England failed to qualify for the World Cup in 1974. The save from Bellingham, I thought it was as good as save, the header, as good as saves as I think I've seen this World Cup. So I think Bellingham is so impressed by it.

He sort of devastated, but he hugs him afterwards, hugs the goalkeeper, just gives him a little, yeah, fair play, mate. And he was right. next to us, Leonel and Pasi in the interview area, and I said to Gary, I would produce that, see if we can get him on. See if we can get him to come and speak to us. But we get a lit. This is a bit of a peek behind the curtains. FIFA give you a list, which has all the languages

that all the players are comfortable to speak in. And he was only comfortable to speak in French. And how's your French? Well, I still said to Gary, go and ask him. He's most, he might still speak a bit of English. And, you know, if ever there was the time to talk about your performance. Anyways, we were humming and harring about that. Axel Toenzebe came across instead, and having grown up in Greater Manchester, he... Fluent Man. Yeah, he gave us a very nice interview, actually. How gutted was he, but also proud of the performance? Yeah, exactly that. I just think what they've done is a real, is it right to call it a heartwarming

story? I think with everything they've had to contend with, with the war that's going on in in the east of DR Congo, and of course the Ebola outbreak, which is causing massive problems in that country, and there's a major, major issue. So for this, just to provide this now in the way that they have, and this string of firsts, and to really, you know,

can you imagine what it was like there today, people following this match, and how that will have made them feel, and ultimately, of course, they didn't do it, but I think the job that they've all done has gone beyond football, hasn't it? I also think there's a kind of, there's a kind of alternate reality that's quite easy to imagine,

where in the first half, Joanne Visser scores that chance that he strikes against the post. They're two nil up. Deservedly so? I don't think so. I think so. I don't think England are coming back from that. Possibly not.

It had shades of the Cameroon quarter final back in 1990, I felt. It did a bit, yeah. And similarly as well, when Kane went through and would have penalty a little bit like Gary Alenica did in that, I think they still would have had time, but we'll never know. We'll never know, will we? On that penalty that wasn't awarded, what's your take on it? When we were watching it on telly, we just thought, that feels pretty clear.

And even when you saw the replays, it just got more and more clear. So you know, why not? At least go and have a look at the monitor, right? Yeah, although, listen, my view on it was with the naked eye, it felt a certain penalty. And I know because people have sent me the slow-motion replays, which make it look less like a penalty and more like a hurricane dive. However, I do think that's slightly misleading. And when you see it at real time and the goalkeeper's coming out at pace,

I'd still believe that is more likely to be given by a referee as a penalty than it isn't. And I think that was quite, I thought he had quite a good game. Adam McCadmey from Jordan. I thought he let the game flow and he was very decisive in that moment I think many referees when it's Harry Kane in a situation like that

would have said penalty and he didn't you know Kane spoke to him Bellingham spoke to him they had a bit of an exchange at the start of the second half good natured exchange and you know he was a referee

who knew his own mind and I think having not given the penalty I think it was likely then that VAR would look and back up the reference three because that is how it's tended to go at this World Cup with those kind of decisions. Just finally, before we let you go, John, your first game at this tournament was at the Azteca. You're very excited about it.

That is where England will be heading next to face Mexico in the round of 16. Mexico absolutely flying, not considered a goal at this tournament. Four wins from four. Altitude, hot, 90,000 Mexicans. Would you reckon? Yeah, and I thought they were terrific the way that they went at Ecuador, and that was not a straightforward match. And so they're on a seven-match winning streak now in all of their recent internationals. Twelve unbeaten.

The record they've got at the Azteca, it is 70 wins out of 89 competitive matches. They've lost only three. And they've never lost in a World Cup match in the Azteca, unbeaten there, in. 10 matches across the various, you know, the now three World Cups that they've played. And so, yes, this was obviously a discussion point for me with Thomas Tuchel. He said it's a beautiful fixture. But he said clearly, altitude, playing at altitude is a disadvantage. And he said there are many obstacles against us.

And he actually said to me, it's very likely that there will be noise. People will be making noise outside our hotel. Ear plugs. Yeah. It's a real tough. It's a real toughy this. And the one thing I'd say is, are Mexico going to play as well as they did in the first half yesterday? And I really like their front four.

I think there's a little bit of everything there and the substitutes as well that they can bring on. Most of these players, though, that are playing for England, they've played at Stoke. It's not much higher. The air is thicker. Yeah. So I just think that, you know, the highest ground of the UK, I just think that they're probably adapted to it over time. And he said, you know, we haven't got time. we're just going to have to go and deal with it.

I'd be fascinated us to know. There must be things that they've done. There must be if you go into detail, which presumably we will when we speak to him on, when is it Saturday, to ask about that. But I guess, I dare say he might not give all that away. But he says that the heat training that they've had in Florida has helped them.

But he said, we simply can't adjust to altitude in the time that they have. And he said, we'll just have to deal with it. one other thing I must tell you he was asked today he didn't get wet again did you no no it didn't get wet today that was a nice change this match obviously kicked off

at 5 o'clock UK time and as we know the Mexico match Sunday night into Monday morning that will kick off at 1 o'clock in the morning so Thomas Tuckl was asked afterwards what would your message be for kids who were able to watch this today back in the UK

what would your message be for them if they want to now watch the next one and quick as a flag He said, write an excuse for school. He said, school is every day. The World Cup is only once every four years. Write an excuse. Yeah, I've got a note here from, well, Thomas Tuchel. He says, I don't have to come in.

That's really good. Cheers, John. Yeah, thanks you both. Speak soon. Now, can I just say, if you haven't seen this already, go to Five Live Sports Instagram and watch the video of John Murray commentating through the entire game. it's it's world class i mean john john is i love john john is the best in the business

the goat he's the goat the greatest of all time yeah i know what it means thank you i uh i watched the video and then came into the house to go rick you've got a what and you're watching the video it's so good it's brilliant it's so good and i tell you what john and paul robinson this tournament have been a fantastic duo they've been on fire they've been great so yeah it's um it's it's just Lovely to relive it over and over again. Yeah, go and have a little lesson. The United States is about to mark its 250th anniversary. And so on the Global Story podcast from the BBC,

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My favourite World Cup moment? It's the first World Cup I properly remember watching. Argentina 78, the ticker tape, Mario Kempes, Ari Hahn's scoring goals from miles out, and always one of my favourite World Cup moments, Archie Gemmell's great goal for Scotland against the Dutch. What makes the World Cup such a special tournament is the atmosphere, the colour,

it is a meeting of the nations, Out of people who love football, the People World Cup 2026. Listen on BBC Sounds. The Football Daily Podcasts at the People World Cup 2026 with Rick Edwards and Lloyd Griffin. Listen on BBC Sounds. So I do think it is worth taking a look at that Mexico game, England, Mexico in the round of 16. Everyone's already thinking about it.

It's this coming Monday. It's a sort of Sunday. night into Monday morning, for those of you in the UK, 1am kickoff. It'll be live on BBC 1, IPlayer, 5 Live and the website. So you have got options. And you need to get those letters written into your teachers ASAP. Rodolfo Landeros, Fox Sports Commentator and host of the Signora podcast, joins us now. Rodolfo, I assume you watch the England's DR Congo game today.

Mexico probably watched it as well with interest. Were they fear England? I'm not saying they would fear England. Thank you very much for having me on the podcast. Just as I was covering the Mexico training this morning, the first half was over and then, you know, the training session began. So I'm not sure they watched the second half afterwards because they have the afternoon off. Every single game that Mexico has won, Javier Agir, the coach, has led them to, you know, enjoy families, enjoy friends. But after what I saw yesterday at the Stadio Steca against Ecuador, I think this team is fearless.

But it's not that they don't respect England is what they believe they can achieve something historic. We're looking at Mexico and we're, I'd say, slightly worried. And this is climate and altitude aside. How are the people of Mexico looking at England at the moment, especially after, let's just say not the best, performances so far. Right, I agree. Well, England is a World Cup champion and they have elite quality and particularly players like Harry Kane, Jude Bellingham. I'm still surprised that we didn't get to see Cole Palmer or Phil Fodon, but you got guys like Eze, like Madweke that can really create some danger from the wings, but I think that's going to be one of the big talking points

during the match. And as for Mexico, it's just stay in their lane and do what they did for the first 15 to 20 minutes against Ecuador. It's a very different opposition, obviously, but this atmosphere I've covered Mexico since 2013. I've never seen an atmosphere like this at the Estadio Stegra. Like, everybody was on fire, and you could see it in the celebrations. It was close to 1.5 million in the Angel of the Independence. So I've talked to most of these players before the World Cup started. And it really surprised me their mentality because they, they throw you. We want to become world champions. And when I got all these messages from the players, I asked the little kid, the young Gilmora, 17 years old, why can Mexico be world champions? And he told me,

why can't we? It speaks of how they're like mentally strong and fit to adversity. It really can change as soon as the referee blows the whistle and the ball begins to roll. But I think it's going to be a great match for the ages. And England has the same objective to become world champions as well. Just because I like to torture myself, I checked on Mexico's record at the Azteca in competitive games. And I think they've lost twice in 89. It's pretty good. Brilliant. Yes. It's a fortress of sorts. It was in 2001 against Costa Rica in qualifiers.

And 2013 against Honduras. I was at that match, pitch side. And those are the only two games. It was a really bad momentum. Javier Aguirre took charge over that. squad in 2001 and turn the tide away for Korea and Japan and the World Cup. But it speaks of how this team is able to perform and how difficult the opposition has it because of the altitude. And England is going to struggle because there are two types of adjustments that you need to be for the altitude. One is to arrive two weeks before the match or to arrive closest to.

kick off. It's going to be different. So if Mexico presses high, tries to get possession of the ball for the second half, the England team will struggle. I don't see it dominating. Mexico, I mean, because I think England is the favorites of the match. And obviously, they have a higher class of, they're in an upper echelon of players. But for the second half, they're going to feel it. I'm sure they're going to feel it because you can't escape that. You talk about one of the ways in which they can try and tackle the altitude problem is basically turning up as close to kickoff as possible. I think given the reputation of the Mexican fans at the moment, like causing havoc outside of the hotels, I think that might be the best plans. I think we might try and filter that into the England team actually.

Just go, look, just stay somewhere else. Get there on the whistle. Turn up 10 minutes before. Like you, really. Rick just likes to turn up as the whistles being blown. Love to walk in on the whistle. So I think we might try and filter that. back actually. So, I mean, a lovely bit of inside info. Thank you, man. How much of a factor is,

is the atmosphere that the Mexican fans create? Well, if it's like yesterday, it can create something. But I mean, you got guys like Harry Kane playing in Bayern Munich, Jude Bellingham playing in Realman. They're used to playing with pressure. And England is like from the outside, the press, the media, the fans, they create pressure for the team and the expectations are high. So it's going to be a difficult atmosphere for them, but I don't think it's going to be like the end of the world, of course. But if these players love to play with that type of spice, that picante, I know you speak Spanish.

I think that those are kind of the matches that as a kid, you want to be a footballer, you want to grow up and play for your national team and in the toughest environments possible, this will be one of them. Just a quick one on Gil Mora, the 17-year-old who a lot of people are talking about, popped himself in the shop window. He's been linked to a number of Premier League clubs, is that right?

I've heard teams like Manchester City, Manchester United, from what I got, Manchester United didn't want to get into, in a fight with other clubs because Real Madrid and Barcelona also have interest. Rafael La Pimenta is who, it's his agent. So last year when they were talking about the eventual transfer to a club in Europe,

one of the journalists asked, well, how about $30 million for him? And Rafael said, well, $30 million will get you perhaps maybe one of his legs. So I'm not sure how high he's up in the market right now. But after his performance last night against probably one of the best midfielder's in Premier League and world-class football, like Moises Caicedo like over 100 million pounds, I think his stock is going up. So I'm expecting him to show a lot more of that player.

He was really close to getting a goal last night and sky's the limit for this kid. Thanks so much for your time, Rodolfo. I really appreciate it. Let's talk about the other games today then. The USA through to the last 16 after beating Bosnia and Herzegovina 2-0, down to 10 men for the last 25 minutes, I think, after Balligan was sent off.

So all three host nations through to the last 16th. That's perfect. I'm massively happy about that. That's great. Balligan scored again, so he's now on three goals for a tournament. But then 20 minutes later, was sent off. And look, for me, it's not a red card. And you could see he was very upset.

Devastated. I just absolutely, it's just an actually. accident. It's just an accident. And it's horrible and I'm really glad that the Bosnian player wasn't seriously hurt. But there's zero in ten. It's just effectively a tangle of legs

and his kind of his foot ends up landing on the guy's ankle. And you just think in real time you're just like oh, a tangle of legs these things happen. Just all in play. And then when you slow it down and you sort of freeze frame it, it looks horrible but I just, I don't know.

I didn't like it. What I will say is when the referee went over to the VAR screen, the first thing that was there was the freeze frame. Was the worst possible freeze frame? It makes, it does. It kind of influences his decision already because you're, oh, cricky, look at that. I think if you didn't watch it in real time, so not the slow motion replays, you kind of go,

all right, okay. And obviously he did watch it as it happened. I don't know what the angle was. But it was not, I don't think, a red card. And I feel sorry for him, because obviously he's having a fantastic tournament. He's been a bit of a poster boy for the USA men's team. And he just looked gutted.

I do think it is just a one-match ban, though. It is a one-match ban, as opposed to a three. In knockout football, that's not perfect, isn't it? No, it's not, no. They're really, I have to say, having watched all of the USA games now, they're really good to watch. Yeah. They're really enjoyable.

And I think it's Adam Crafton from the Athletic we had in the pod a few days ago, who said, Pottisciano's got them playing like a club team. And it does feel like that. Like the kind of the interplay between them is really, just really pleasing. It looks like they've been playing together for years. Yes. Week in, we count. Yeah.

And that's, again, that's very hard, very hard to kind of like replicate at international level. I wouldn't say they look the best team in the tournament, but you don't need to be the best team in the tournament. You just need to be absolutely drilled like they look like they're drilled and just see where it goes from there. That's a really fantastic moment. They reminded me a little bit of Japan, like the way in which they play with their triangles and just kind of just well, well regimented. That's a good observation from you.

Hey, you know, that's a think one here. First one. And also I was available. That's one in four weeks. And affordable. Yeah, very affordable. I'm surprised by that. There was a horrible moment for me personally in this game.

Yeah, it was lovely. Yeah. Where Tillman's lining it up and you say it's going to be a goal. And I say it's too close. He won't be able to get it up and down. And as I say, he won't be able to get it up and down. He got it up and down and scored. Yeah.

And you were very, very smug about it. Well, I just didn't really say anything. No, but your little face, though. I mean, you, I'm going to say this is a little producer, he just looked at me and like, oh, God, he's going to be unbearable. And I think I've been fine. All I will say is, I'm glad we've got a few days away from you. And then it looked like Senegal were coasting into the Round of 16.

I have to say I'm gutted about this because I really like Senegal, and I want to them to go through. And then with, I mean, 85 minutes gone, I think it is that Lukaku scored. And Lukaku's looked pretty sluggish. For 10 minutes before that, he looked so legy. He came on a half-time. And I think Lukako has been a fantastic player. And, you know, he's been great for Belgium over the years.

He looks so legy, just like going into the box, just like players around him. And he just go, he's not going to score. And I have put on about seven stone from eating a lot of humble pie this tour. him and he then... What's he been eating? Because he's carrying a bit... He's carrying a bit of tin. Pure protein.

But yeah, he... He scored. And I genuinely was like, well, they've not been playing that great. I just think that's a consolation goal. And well, it wasn't, was it? No, we have had another WhatsApp in. Would you like to know what it says? Yes, go on.

It says, Rick and Lloyd, enough with the niceties, on with the noughtities. And that's a very nice, that's my catchphrase from Fighting Talk. Because of your influence, me and my... my sister spent much of the England versus Dr. Congo game coming up with potential punny headlines. Our favourites included, Dr Congo raises the blood pressure of England fans. Oh, why is the doctor raising the blood pressure, though? Sure their job is to reduce it.

Oh, we're criticising these, are we? So, yeah, if they're... Some guy and his sister are just trying to have a nice time. How old are they? Well, I don't know. Okay. He's got a phone, so I guess he's sort of 14 or over. Well, you never know nowadays.

No, okay. But I think a doctor does try and reduce blood pressure, just from my experience. Okay, so what's you've suggested all terms if then? Dr. Congo reduces the blood pressure of England fans? Well, have they come up with any other suggestions?

Yes, they are. Let's go to those first. England resuscitate their chances against Dr. Congo? Well, again, I think the doctor's resuscitating. If anyone's resuscitating, it should be the doctor medically trained. Okay, well, see if you like this one. Okay. They said pessimistically, ahead of the wissor-free kick in the 95th minute. Yeah. Dr. Congo, back from the dead against England.

No. No, you're not having any of these, no. What, they resuscitated themselves? Lovely. But I'd have gone. Thank you, thank you so much for getting in touch. And I'm sorry, he's such a pedant. Who is that from, sorry?

Nick in York. He also says, love the podcast. Great to hear Rick's voice in the fighting talk off season. Okay. Nick in York, firstly, fantastic minster. What's a great taste? I would say, if you look, looking for a pun.

Looks like England have been eating their apples. Because they've just kept the doctor away. In brackets, an apple a day keeps the doctor away. Dr. Congo away. And then you have to put double brackets, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But I mean, look, you know, let's...

And I suppose I didn't really keep Dr. Congo away, did they? They played them. They kept... An Apple today keeps Dr. Congo at bay until the last minute. Yeah. So as you can see, Nick, it's probably worth mentioning I'm going away. for three days. Yeah, you are. You're going to Las Vegas. I am. I'm going to be joined by

Dionne Dublin. It's a like-for-like substitution. It's not a like-for-like substitution. We've got the same size feet. We both play the saxophone. We're both dangerous in the books. And we love property. If you want to send us a WhatsApp and get it pulled apart by Lloyd or Dion or me, please do. 08-0-08-289-389. You could also leave us a voice name. We'd love for that. The commentary's coming up on Five Live Sport later today are Spain, Austria at 8. Who's going to win that?

Spain, obviously. Portugal, Croatia at midnight. Who's going to win that? I mean, Croatia. Looking forward to D.O.M. being here, actually. Switzerland, Algeria, at 4 a.m. Who's going to win that one? A draw?

Mm-hmm. Okay. And then just leave it at that. They both go through. Well, they're Switzerland, neutrals. They'll be like, well, let's just keep it as it is. Okay. All joking side.

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