Getting Naked: The Podcast - Dare to Love Again

Episode Date: May 13, 2026

After the death of her husband of 37 years, Young and the Restless star Jerry Douglas, television personality and beauty expert Kym Douglas believed she’d already had her one great love and that was it for the rest of her life. She was wrong. Valerie unpacks Kym’s inspiring life story--surviving breast cancer, losing Jerry, daring to fall in love again, and remarrying at 65—while reflecting on her own hopes for love.

I am so excited about today's podcast, getting naked, the podcast. You are here. You are listening or you're watching. We have a wonderful guest on. Her name is Kim Douglas, and she's got a wonderful story to share with all of us. So let's get right into it. Okay? A really fun recipe for you today. You saw how easy that was. Look at all that flavor we packed into chicken breasts. I love the flavor of maple syrup, especially for these kind of muffins. I see all of your comments. I swear I do. You are wondering, where's my show? This is so dang delicious. Smells divine. That's a jalapeno popper. Oh my god.

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You guys are the original members, and I can't thank you enough. It's happy time. Love, love, love, love. That's what I want to talk about today. First love, true love, can love last? I mean, I'm thinking about love all the time. The people that I love, do I want to fall in love intimately again? I don't know.

Can you love again? I have a chapter in my books titled Never Say Never. And guess what's about? I'll just going to give you the opening sentence. It's I have gone on record more than once saying that I'm done with love at this stage of the game. I figured the rest of my life would be content, calm, and solo. Will there be a plus one? Not in this lifetime.

Thanks. So, okay, today I am talking about love. But before we get into today's episode, I just want to give you a quick reminder to stay tuned for the full reveal. That's a special segment for Valerie's Place members only. If you want to be able to access the full reveal and get early access to this podcast, head over to valry's place.com and sign right up. All right. That said, we are talking about love and faith today. And more specifically about being open to love and new relationships later in life.

I could use this talk today with this lovely woman. So today our guest is a lovely woman. you'll probably recognize her. Her name is Kim Douglas. And in full disclosure, Kim is the stepmother of one of my partners in Valerie's place. But she is a well-known dynamo on her own, a former journalist, an actress who appeared on shows like L.A. Law and in Living Color. She spent 17 years as the beauty expert on Ellen DeGeneres's long-running talk show. She co-hosted Hallmark's Home and Family Show. And she was married for 37 years to Young and the Restless star Jerry Douglas, who unfortunately passed away in 2021. Like me, she thought she was done with love, and unlike me, she got married again last year to Tim Robertson, the son of the late Pat Robertson, who had also lost his wife. And, well, you get the idea. This is an incredible story, but let's not hear it from me. Let's hear it directly from Kim. Kim, thank you for being here.

So good to be here. This is so wonderful to see you. I'm sure we have crossed paths. We have. I think I interviewed you on Home and Family one time. Yes, I remember that you. I loved it. And you did a great dish and we all loved you.

Well, it's lovely to see you again. You too. Thank you for being here. Your life is, wow. There's a lot happening. A lot about your life is so full of love and full of faith. And I can't imagine what it must have been like. And take us all through it, what it's like to be firmly in love and know that this is what's going to happen for the rest of your life.

And then the news that keeps getting you blind. mind-sighted. Tell us a little bit about that. So, yes, I started as a television news reporter in Michigan. I need to put the mitten up, you know, Michigan. I know. I live there too. Oh, you did? Wait. Wait. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Yeah, it's the thumb. Yeah, it's the thumb is this way. Yeah, so I lived right around here. Oh my brother lives up here. No way. And I was up here. Oh, okay. Yes, unbelievable. The upper island. So upper peninsula. Yes, it's beautiful. I was a big cheese up there. There was like two hunters and a wolf, and that was it.

That was my entire audience. But anyway, I digress. So I started in hard news, and they said, you don't really have the personality for this. We're moving you into entertainment news. Because you have such a great sense of humor. No, I can't understand why. And every story I would cover that would be a difficult story, I'd be crying more than the person I interviewed. So anyway, they're like, let's move her out.

So my first interview out of college was to the actor Jerry Douglas on The Young, The Wrestles. And he was my first interview, and we were married six weeks later. And thank goodness the story goes, I didn't interview like Charles Manson or Chubby Checkers. I probably would have married them. So that's our joke. I seriously doubt that. Well, you don't know me. That's what a love story.

Yeah. So we got married very quickly. How did you know with, first of all, six weeks? I know. I mean, I'm one to talk. because I married my first husband after, you know, we got engaged after a couple months. So I understand that. But for the rest of, like, now I'm like, how the heck did I do that?

I was 20. But, like, how did you do that? You know, I really do just. Because you knew. I knew. I trust my heart and I trust my faith. I really do. And I just, I go on that gut instinct.

And truthfully, Valerie, because there was a big age difference, I was in Detroit and he was in Hollywood doing, he was under contract to the Young and Restless, people were making bets at our wedding that it would last about six months. And these were good friends. So you can imagine what the other said. So little did they know 37 years later, it would all work out. So yeah, so we got married and my contract ended and I moved out here and I just became a host and a beauty and wellness expert here. and then my life just went on and it was actually pretty charmed. We had a pretty charmed life and everything was great here and he was under contract for 40 years, which is, as you well know, that's, you know.

It's unheard of in our business. Very unusual, yeah. So we did 40 years, he did 40 years and then I got diagnosed with stage three breast cancer. And that was an interesting time because I lost, you know, my hair, my eyelashes, my eyes, I turned green and I lost like 17 pounds in two weeks because I was on the red devil, which is the worst chemo you can do. And I'm a beauty reporter on Ellen. So that was kind of interesting, being a beauty reporter with no beauty.

And really... But our beauty is in the inside. There you go. Yeah. And hard lesson to learn that way, but you sure do learn when you're stripped of literally everything. So my life kind of took a big change at that moment. and leaned into my... Did your thought process take a big change too?

Because I know, I mean, we just, you know, said, you know, when your whole life is about showing beauty to people and showing them how to be our most beautiful selves, there was probably some digging deep that you had to do because it is insurface with you. You are a beautiful person inside as well as out. So how did that mess with your head, or did it get you to a place?

place where you go, oh yeah, I am beautiful. It messed with my head big time. And it shifted me in a very big way that I didn't expect. And that was, it was very hard for me once I recovered. And of course, you know out here, you get the right wigs. You have to make a artist that can slap eyelashes on you. And I could fake it pretty well. But I couldn't, Valerie, after I got done, go back and do what I did. I couldn't talk about lip gloss. It just felt too surface. and just like there's so much more of this world. I just couldn't, you know, because in the spring, you should be wearing pink, and then you want to go to coral in the fall.

I mean, I was like, wait, what? After what I've just been through? Yeah, you know, I could barely. There's more important things. Yeah, so it shifted me greatly, and I really moved out of that arena completely, where I still think it's important that we take care of our outer and that we want to look the way we feel inside. And it gives us confidence, but that's not where all of our confidence comes from.

Not at all. Yeah. So it completely shifted. And then right after I got well, and I believe, do you have an only child? Well, I do too. I have an only son, Hunter. And I got well, you know, through my faith and for him and for Jerry. But the minute I got well, Jerry got hit with cancer.

So then we fought that battle for about five years. And then he passed away. I'm so sorry. Thank you. What an intense time. in your life. How did you survive it? Well, on top of that, Ellen decided that she was going to stop her show after 20 years. So you're losing your job as well. Yeah. Good grief. And again, you know in our business a little bit. Tough there, because I kind of thought this was going to be the Oprah show,

you know, 25 years, 30 years. So she decided to quit. So it seemed like God was just kind of taking everything away from me. And you get stripped down again to your core. And that's, I think, when you really do dig deep and figure out what you want the rest of your life to be all about. And like you said earlier about love, you know, Valerie, I just felt like I had 37 years of a very blissful marriage. I had a wonderful marriage. And by the way, so did my current husband, Tim. And, you know, maybe you only get just one. Maybe you just get one in that you don't want to be greedy. Sure. I can see where your thought process would go there. Right. You know, so. seven years with the love of my life, of course. Yeah. So I was kind of like you and I resigned myself

to, you know, I'm going to be with my girlfriends and I'm going to travel and I'm going to work out and I'm going to have fun. And that's what I did for like three and a half years out here. And it was great. I did a little bit of my branding deals and things like that. Did you feel you were missing anything? Here's when I felt Sunday nights about 7 o'clock. You go in the house and you've been out and you've your thing and you've done your fun brunch and it's been so great. And then you come home and you shut the door and there's just nobody there to talk. So what are you going to do this week? What have you got play? How was your day? Yeah. And then the other time it hits me was every time I'd come home from a trip and I'd be at LAX and the plane would land and I'd be like, oh, let me just tell you.

Oh, yeah. I don't have anybody to call and say I landed safe. And I mean, I had my son and my girlfriends. Sure. I mean, I get that. I get all of it. Yeah. I mean, I love my family. I adore them unconditionally, you know, and my girlfriends as well. Yeah. You know, but there just does feel like there's a little something. Is it missing? I don't, I don't know. Yeah. But you feel that. I feel the emptiness there. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I knew there was a glimmer of hope that maybe, maybe I would find love again. But, and you're still, honestly, still young. I'm 66. Yeah.

So we're the same age. Oh, that's right. Oh, my gosh. You look so good. So do you? Beautiful. So, yeah. I mean, and part of me is just like, oh, 66.

I'm just, you know. I mean, I don't have that much time left. What's the point? Right. Right. But then again, 10, 15, 20 years could go by and I'm like, wait. For sure. You know?

Absolutely. So then I started a couple of girlfriends set me up with people in L.A. And I'm sure you and I'm going to, oh my gosh, the worst. Horrific. I mean, horrific. It was just one after another. I can't. Not that they were horrible men or they just were not the right fit. Sure. And it just was like, and once you've had something so good, you're just not willing to settle for anything less. Your bar is set very high. Yeah. I had some pretty bad ones. Also, when I.

Did that defeat you at all? Or you're just like, oh, yeah, I guess this isn't for me. It did defeat me. And it was like, oh, everybody. And then you go into that realm where you should never go, oh, men only want women a certain age. Oh, you have to have this look. Oh, you. So, you know, we all do that.

Oh, I'm absolutely there. It's like, who wants a 66-year-old? Yeah. I mean, come on. It's not true. They're all. And it's not true. It's not.

So you can't believe that. All right. And there's a lot of men that really do want an equal in, in, in part. partnership and in experience and in moving the two forward. So don't believe that. All right. I don't know where they are, though. But maybe it might help if I actually leave my house.

Why? No, you have to, really. And the only time I leave my house is to get on an airplane and go to work. Oh, my God. Or go see my son. So it might help if I maybe expand my arena a little bit. All right. So I'm not ready.

I have a really fun recipe for you today. You saw how easy. that was look at all that flavor we packed into chicken breasts love the flavor of maple syrup especially for these kind of muffins I see all of your comments I swear I do you are wondering where's my show this is so dang delicious smells divine that's a jalapeno popper oh my god it's so good yes I'm back and I am cooking for all of you all right Sophie what are we reheating today welcome to now vows cooking guess what we're gonna make right now we're alive hi everybody how are you

you have to go to Valerie's place that's where you you can see our book group, this podcast. That's where you can go for all the cooking that you want to see. Oh, yes. I've missed cooking for you. I'm glad I finally get to do it again. I'm dancing. That's how good it is. So head to Valerisplace.com and go ahead and sign up. You guys are the original members, and I can't thank you enough. It's happy time. So how did you meet this love of your life now, which is, by the way, I want people to know this. Yes, we talk about soulmates. We talk about, I know that I believe in soulmates. I believe that. there's a connection that happens with other human beings in this world. There's this energy that

happens between people. And yes, you can have a love of your life, a soulmate, if you will, but there's more out there. There are more soulmates. Our souls are meant to connect with a lot of people, whether it be intimately or whether it just, you know, be family or girlfriends, or our souls are meant to carry a lot of love and give a lot of love. So I don't believe there's only one soulmate, one special partner for everyone. Sometimes that happens to be your fact in this lifetime. You end up with one soulmate your whole life. But there are multiple people. And your heart is so big. You're allowed to love more than one person. Absolutely. So true. Well, this is what's so wonderful about how life works and how God you see him working in your life, weaving things together. So very early on,

when I first came out here, I think I mentioned to you, or you mentioned in the opening intro, that I had done a show on Hallmark or Family Channel called Home and Family. Yes, I've been on that show. It's a lovely show. And everybody loved you and it was so great. So way back then, I was on that show for a long time. And as a beauty and wellness contributor, and come to find out at the time,

the CEO of the Family Channel was a man named Tim Robertson. He had no idea I was on the planet. I had no idea he was on the planet. Never crossed paths, never knew of each other. but I was on his show for eight years. Oh, wow. And he was very happily married for 47 years to the love of his life, the late Lisa Robertson, and they had five beautiful children and a great life in Virginia Beach.

And the two of us never heard of each other. So now cut to 40 years later, my co-host on the show, who interviewed you, was Christina Ferrari. Yes, I love Christina. So many people know her. Yes. And her husband, Tony Thamopoulos, worked for Tim on the show. And so 40 years, we stayed friends. 40 years later, she calls me and says, I want to introduce you to this lovely man.

He's in Virginia Beach. He has five children. And I'm absolutely no intention of going to Virginia Beach. Not going to happen. He calls Tim in Virginia Beach and says, he says this, but I'm not. There's this actress in Hollywood, which right off the bat, you know how that's going to go. And she lost her husband. He goes, absolutely not.

The last thing I need my life is some, you know, blonde host or whatever from Hollywood. So we're never going to meet. We're never going to meet. That goes beyond. So they put together a plan to have Tim come out. Ooh, I love friends like this. Right. So rather than this dinner that you're going to sit and I don't know if I light you're nervous,

a dinner with Willis, your partner here on the show. and then Tony and Christina and a couple of other people and myself and Tim. So I come from a meeting to think I'm having lunch with Christina and he comes from a meeting thinking he's having lunch with the guys and everything. And I show up and he shows up. And I mean this Valerie. And I know it sounds so cheesy and everything. I like cheesy.

I know. We live for that. I do. I love cheesy. There's a whole romance novel in my head all the time. I love that as it should be. And he walks in, and there was just this pureness and innocence and kindness and this quality of man that you could see in an instant. You felt his energy immediately.

And I was like, I want to get to know this person. And so we were married six months later. I don't know what the deal is with me in the six months thing. You know. I really, I really do. You, I could learn a lot from you. You listen to your intuition, do you? do. I really do. And I won't go, even if I, if the other looks great like other people that I, they're on paper, they're great. If it doesn't hit down here in the heart. How do you do that? How do you let your intuition guide you like that? Especially when your intuition is saying, have you ever had your intuition go, um, careful. Kim, be careful here. And you're like, no, no, no, you don't understand. Very much so. Really. Yeah. And probably when I was younger and farther away from my faith.

I would, if it looked great on paper, I was going to go for it. Right, no matter what your intuition said. Yeah. I get it. Okay. But your intuition was telling you full hog like this. A hundred percent. And you know, Valerie, we had so much in common because we had both come from beautiful, strong, steady relationships.

You loved your spouses. Yes. So we both knew. And one thing that I guess I would give as advice to any women or men that are out there right now and that are dating is I would sit down and this happened three times in a wrote right at the beginning of these dates that I was set up on. And the first thing would be, hi, oh my gosh, I got to tell you, I had the worst ex-wife. That's a red flag for me now. She was a psycho. And you're just like, and right away. What did you do to make her a psycho? Exactly. Right away. I was like, check please. So I knew that that was not what would be right

for me. And we had a beautiful whirlwind romance. And I just knew... Is he romantic? He's so romantic. Really? He really is. Don't tell Willis. Where is? Oh my gosh? I'm trying to watch this podcast. Exactly. He's very romantic and he's so sweet. And I will tell you this. So, Valerie, again, not to become a Hallmark movie, but here we go. There's nothing wrong with Hallmark movies. That's right. Um, love is even sweeter the second time around or at this stage in our life, shall I say. It's just, I think you appreciate it more. You also know, I'm not trying to say like my first marriage or his was perfect because no,

no marriages, right? No. But you realize what you may have done wrong. Maybe I didn't ask him as often how his day. Maybe I didn't. So with Tim, I make sure to do that. And Tim does that with me. so we take whatever maybe could have been, we could have been better at.

The lessons that you learned, which are, we're here to learn and we're here to love. Absolutely. And to be able to take those lessons and learn from them. Yeah. And then put them, you know, into lovable action is like the greatest gift you can give another human being. It is. And you know, earlier you said, oh, I think, and I thought this too. I've only got like 20, 30.

I mean, how much time you've got a lot lesser this time than the first time. Yes. Yes, each day is not a day that you've done a day. It's a day that you have one less day now. That's right. And people talk about the amount of summers they have left. Oh, yes. You think about that.

But I think because we have that in our minds, we do appreciate it even more. That is this, there is a gift of being this age, is that everything that does is placed in front of me. I am so grateful for everything. And now even the challenges that I have in front of me, I'm like, oh, okay, this is an opportunity for me to learn something, isn't it? Absolutely. What I haven't put into, like maybe, you know, feeling the fear and doing it anyway and opening yourself up to love again is an opportunity to learn something that could go bad or there's an opportunity for it not to go bad.

So I'm just, I'm having a few epiphanies while we're talking here. Oh, tell me. You know, because I've always thought love is an action, right? They say, they say. But I don't necessarily understand that fully because I know how much love I have in me. I know how much love I feel, even like for my pets, you know, for my son, for my brothers, for my girlfriends. I know that love. And it has been so long now since I have felt an intimate, safe, emotionally safe love, like years that I don't know what that feels like.

How did you have the bravery to open yourself up to that again? So because I had so many losses that I just kind of checked off to you, the checklist, you know, it was very hard because I did say to myself and some of my girlfriends and to God, I don't think I can go through another loss. And I really didn't think I could, Valerie, I know we all present to the world this, you know, I'm really together and everything's working out. Yes, I'm the queen of that. Yeah.

I'm falling apart inside, but I'm terrific. Yeah, exactly. How are you doing great? So good. Yeah. So I knew I couldn't take another loss. But again, I had to go to that place where you really, you know that you know that you know and that you can trust this. And even if it didn't work out, I felt Valerie, I would be richer having experience knowing Tim.

than without. Oh. The risk is worth it. It was. Because no matter what happens, I think I would have been better. I would have been a better person. By knowing this human being, whether it works out or not. And so that's a risk, you know, you don't want to go with. I'm so tired of taking risks. I know, I know, and it's true. And it's like never going to be over until the day I die. No, it's not. Life is a risk. Yep. Putting your heart, opening your heart and giving your heart to someone else is a risk. You kidding? Even just saying it, I'm like inside, I'm sweating. Absolutely. And, you know, again, just to throw a wrench into this, you and I, it seems like, I had a great fun life alone. I had great girlfriends. I love my life. Go to the bar method every day. And I would go, you know, on my walks and I get my mom. I had my little routine. And it's life is really fun. So I think that attracts the right person too. You're not sitting there going, I need somebody else to make my life happy. I'm happy and Tim was happy.

And together we could make a life that would help the other people around us be happy to. And I do have to say this. My first time around, I will share, it was very difficult with stepchildren. Very. I came into a very difficult, very bad divorce that had happened 13 years prior to me meeting Jerry. But this time. The children, the adult children that Tim and Lisa had loved their dad so much and had such a magnificent mother that they wanted to see their dad happy. And Valerie, they welcomed me with open arms because of their love for their dad.

Oh, that's so sweet. It's unusual. It makes all the difference in the world. Yeah. Can we back up just a little bit? because I, this is such a beautiful conversation. But you had one child. One child.

Right. And but you, did you struggle with fertility issues? Yeah. We were married 13 years before we could have Hunter. And you wanted more children? Yeah, I wanted more children. And. Did you always want a big family?

Not a big one because I was very career motivated. But I definitely wanted more than one. So we tried for a very long time. and we tried to adopt and that didn't work out because of Jerry's age and it just seemed like we just hit roadblocks every time. And here's this one story that I will tell you. So my only child Hunter said to me on the day I got married and this ending that I'll tell you, he said, you know, Mom, I never told you this. But every day that I can remember since I was like four or five at night I would go to bed and I'd say a prayer that I would have more brothers or sisters.

And he said, and that happened until I was in 12th grade every night. And I said, interesting, Hunter, I did the same. I prayed all the time that I have a bigger family. And as the years went on, of course you know that, you know, it's probably not going to happen. Women hit a certain age. Right. And you're like, yeah, 40 was my cutoff and I knew it probably. And so this is just how God works in your life.

And again, that story of, you know, home and family 40 years earlier and 30 years earlier, me praying every night for a bigger family, how God just weaves this beautiful tapestry together of our life. So I meet Tim. I find out he has five children. All five children are married and have spouses. So now there's 10. And all 10 children have had three to four kids. So in one day, God answers. And I went from one child to 31 immediate family members, 17 grandchildren. Oh, my goodness. And then now with Hunter. Like you and Hunter have been praying for a long time. Let me just fill you up. Exactly.

You guys. Yeah. Let me do. And I want you off my back. Quit praying. Now leave me alone. Exactly. So, you know, Valerie, be careful first off what you pray for.

I think partly I am because I know prayer is so powerful. It is. It is. And I'm always careful. for what I pray for. And sometimes it'll just be a prayer of just show me how good it can be. Yeah. Because I don't want to be specific because I know, I know God, the universe always sees my heart.

And my prayer is to feel intimate love again. But I also know that I'm the one that's got a little stop in there. I have a little wall up, a little speed bump, as you will, to slow it down. So I know that I do want intimate love in my life again. But right now I'm so scared because of what I've been through that I'm like, okay, will you, you let me know when I'm ready to feel the intimate love again and then I'll listen. So then I just pray for, you know what, if you're out there, come find me. Absolutely.

And, you know, the thing is, is I think when we pray and we say, okay, now I'm ready. And I think. I don't know that I'll ever be ready. So I'm going to wait until God tells me I'm ready. Yes, that's true. But, you know, our timing isn't his timing. So when I thought I was ready for 31 kids, way back, not really, but way back when I was, you know, I'm so cool and I'm 25, I can handle it. I can handle it. Yeah, now at 66, it really is the right timing because I can give the right kind of love and the right kind of support and encouragement.

So, you know, you've learned so much. I mean, I just, the thing I do love about being our age is how much smarter I feel. I love this age. I really do. There's a confidence that comes with it. There's the non-comparison. And she's beautiful and I love her. And look at her body and that isn't me, but I have this and I have that. And so it just is not the same. It's not. And I wish we could hand this to younger women and younger men. I mean, I really wish we could hand this to them, this gift of not caring what someone else's opinion is of us.

Absolutely. But it's a really, it's a gift that we earn ourselves through time and mistakes and challenges. And we finally decide that. And it's interesting that we learn these gifts when we don't have the bodies that we didn't appreciate. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. I mean, I cannot. I still am kicking myself that I thought, you know, 30, 40 years ago, I was fat.

I know. I know. I'm crazy. Or like, or I'm this or I'm bad. It's like, I was so close. I mean, I was like, so adorable. Yes, I know. And I'm like, you know what?

So now I do this little thing where I'll think about. about I'm living in my 80-year-old self's body. And I get a chance to look back at my 66-year-old self and go, She would love you. Girl, good for you. Look at you go. I know. So it makes me feel a little bit more, you know.

So I encourage you out there to start talking to your 80-year-old self. And if you're 80, start talking to your 90-year-old self. There you go. And if you're 90, talk to your 100-year-old self. And just say, you know, and give yourself a look back and go, wow, I'm the shit. Absolutely. You're so right. And you know, another little tip that I do is that there is a scientific study that says that if you, and this, when you feel the anxiety about maybe not ready for love yet or opening your heart or about comparison or about our ages, whatever, when you feel that, this is what I do. And it's faith-based as well as scientific-based. And that is your brain, the way it's wired, it cannot compute gratitude, and anxiety at the same time. You know that, right?

That study. And it just, they won't, it won't happen. They can't stay in your body. Right. So whenever I feel anxiety like, should I get married again? Oh my gosh, this is going to be? I just get so grateful and thank you for bringing him to me

and that I have this, that we have these healthy bodies, Valerie, that we can go on a walk with the people that we love, that we can go out and swim or do whatever. Attitude is such an amazing tool. And it sounds so simple. It does. But you, but, but, but, and it can be. And, and, and, and by repetition and by being grateful every single day, sometimes every hour, sometimes

every minute, depending on what we're going through, finding something to be grateful for. And it's, it's, it's so easy when you just open your eyes a little bit wider. It really is true. There's so much, because there, we are bombarded with a lot of heavy, horrible stuff that's going on in the world. That's right. But we, we, we do have to stay and protect ourselves. and protect the people that we love by staying grateful so that we can be more healthy human beings so that we can give service to other people that are struggling through harder times.

This is such a lovely conversation that I'm having with Kim, and I want to continue it. But before we do, I just want to say thank you for listening to Getting Naked the podcast. I've got a few more questions for Kim, including some big ones. And we'll get to listener questions as well because I love getting your questions. But we're going to do it in our full reveal, which is just, for subscribers, if you want to hear more and your questions, head over to valry's place.com and sign up. And for just $2 a month, you get to hear the full reveal and you get early access to every

episode of the entire podcast. Okay. I have a really fun recipe for you today. You saw how easy that was. Look at all that flavor we packed into chicken breasts. I love the flavor of maple syrup, especially for these kind of muffins. I see all of your comments. I swear I do.

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