Goes Without Saying - HORROR STORIES: he cheated with my sister...

Episode Date: October 31, 2024

SEPHY & WING'S HORROR STORIES, CHAPTER 3 ✷ ✷ ✷ podmothers sephy & wing enter the chat: spiralling on the horrors of betrayal, friendship vs. family, the scarcity of men, and Garfield and Scooby Doo. ✷see more ✷ www.youtube.com/@sephyandwing ✷ www.instagram.com/sephyandwing ✷ www.tiktok.com/@sephyandwingshop ✷ www.sephyandwing.co.uk Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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He took her on a date to KFC. He then says, do you want to hear a song? He gets out his guitar out the boot of the car and he starts playing the Shalalalalala That's a great song. It's an insane song to play in the KFC car park. Right, okay. Let's fucking break this down. She knows too much basically. And she ended it by saying, what do I even do?

I don't even know first thing I do literally number one on my agenda is I scream at her what the fuck have you done like you absolute moron like blah blah blah why why why try get the bottom I think first thing I do I unleash hell on her. first on the agenda let me check my to-do list it's absolutely ruin your life. the thing as well that it brings up any cheating stuff brings up really is like the amount of decisions that are made to continue a betrayal like almost it's like okay it's a first look and then it's a conversation and then you started to keep chatting and then you started to keep chatting and then you thought maybe i should stop this and you thought no I won't I'll carry on. This is what gets me. It's the on and on and on

every decision you made to lead you up onto that point and then to sustain it like over messages yeah it's a lot of committing you committed to making a mistake basically Here we go! Woah, it's the finale of the trilogy! The finale! I'm sad this is gonna end. It's been really fun actually. It's been so good. It's a really, I like the energy of this.

Me too, I love to hear how fucked up everyone is. Yeah, it's really crazy actually. crazy actually. it makes me feel really lucky to just be like oh look at us all trying together. we're all nuts. we're all nuts. also it's nice to have a bit of a laugh. it is nice to have a bit of a laugh. we're so deadly serious on here. yeah. okay go on then. so this one here just is so perfect and it just made me laugh so much. so someone went on a date with someone and he ate the fruit out of my pimps when i went to the bathroom. oh my god. no no no no no. how bad is that? not when you went to the toilet that's so bad. when

you went to the bathroom. that's what makes it bad. it's not like a ha ha i love eating the fruit. no. it's not that. eek. it's you've got fruit in your pimps. no. i love eating not like a hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat

hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat hat strawberry and then looking down it's gone. you'd have to make a bit surely. it's absolutely insane to eat the fruit. i would hope basically that i didn't like them so that

i could then feel comfortable to make a joke and be like why's all my fruit gone? and like really bring it up. because i just almost think you pay the price. you ate my fruit. you have to bring it up. it's crazy to.. you can't just let the fruit disappear in silence. nooo! that is insane. i hate them thinking they've got away with something. also another one that i really liked was someone has made a reappearance. this is a friend of the show in fact. i knew this was gonna come up. so if you are an old listener you'll know this. but is this real or is this someone referencing the thing? no because there's a new detail. I think this is the same guy. okay go on then. so if you're an old listener you will know this is we're

talking higher priestess days and I know there's some of you out there that because we have met some of you that say you've been here since I read the test dates. Famously there was a guy that sang the Shallows on the guitar in the KFC car park. Someone has written in saying the guy sang the Shallow on his guitar at the KFC car park and here's the new detail they said with his mates riding in the trolley. So that's what makes me think okay that's actually the girl that went on the date with the KFC guy. I want to listen back to what we originally, the conversation we originally had about the KFC guy because i wonder if we did say something about a trolley. we added in a trolley maybe, sounds like us. like it's almost like are you referencing our stuff back to us or is this actually you?

that's what i wondered but i like to think that that is the same story coming back to us years later. well it's a great story if you didn't hear it the first time let's just let that hit but he had a guitar it was acoustic guitar he was playing right? he took her on a date to kfc he then says do you want to hear a song he gets out his guitar out the boot of the car and he starts playing the shaman in the deep earth. that's a great song. the shower That's a great song With all his friends though changes it there's even weird it almost becomes a bit rude

Like why are your friends why the friends here begs the question? Hey? Yeah, I would love to know Yeah, the the truth Behind this me too, because do you know what i mean? what's gone on there? yeah what has gone on there? and that was a long time ago. that was.. so that's why it makes me think that cannot be someone deeply referencing our back catalogue. that has to be.. they're still listening, they've come back around. it's like oh yeah i you wouldn't bring it up if someone asked what's your dating horror story Be like, I don't even remember No, that's gonna but it's but it's more so like oh, but I always listen to old episodes of sephian wing and in one Of them they say about oh, well, let us know if you're actually And do you know who I want to really meet the guy that did that you know what? I kind of can't believe is like, wait, we have like, lore surrounding us. I can't believe that it's even a question that people could reference

stuff back to us years after we said it. That's like, that feels like a bit of a new feeling. Yeah. It's a really deep cut. That's a real album track. from like an old album. from an ancient unreleased. from a real kind of cult fan favourite. yeah it is, it's leaked demo. yeah. so nice to have that reference back if that is a reference. really nice because it is a lovely, lovely image isn't it? just a guy in a car park. singing chalets whilst eating some chicken nuggets. absolutely horrible. yeah it is horrible. it's a good place to start. it gets me in the spirit for sure. it gets me in the in the spooky spirits. me too. it's just the moment where he says i've got my guitar in the back. how does the verse start? what's the first line? oh my god what is the first line? because it's almost sometimes it takes a lot to get into the bulk of a song, you know? Like you have like a big old verse before.

That is... I'm sure it's something like, I've been standing here so upset and everyone is so angry at me. Like it's kind of like, my life is so sad and I'm an alcoholic. It is. It's something like that. It's kind of like a bit... Junius.com.

Yeah, it's a bit of a somber... It goes, tell me something girl. Something girl. Yeah, okay fine. bit of a sombre... It goes, tell me something girl. Yeah, okay, fine. I have been in this murdering world. This is a good way to start a little song in KFC. Tell me something boy. Terrible. Okay, I like that.

Oh my god, so that's horrific. That is horrific. I want to track these people down. Also, the fact that it's a duet makes it so bad. Like, did he want you to sing? He wanted you to jump in. he wanted you to be his lady bar guard. tell me something boy there are 99 people in the room but you were that one person in the kfc car park. so goddamn true. bloody hell. okay so that's just the bread for the table. yeah it is lovely bread for the table. should we do that on the spot?

we haven't done that in a while. we haven't done bread for the table in ages. yeah well let's go. okay my first thing to say about you that i'm really feeling at the moment is you're so- oh wow we're doing bread for the table now. oh should we not? yeah no let's- well now you've started. yeah i have already started. i just- it took me straight away. just that i do always think about you just in my personal life and i think you're not my child but i do have the the child thing of just like that's my child and I hope she's okay. And also when, Safi messaged me the other day when she was doing her writing for her masters and she was in, well I even said are you in the scholars bar because it just brings such a smile to my face like the Joker. Why so serious?

Why so serious? That's the worst thing I could write. But it really just makes me think Claire, I'm just so proud and happy for you. God thank you so much, that's so nice. I love that you view me as your child, it's just so... Sometimes you are my child, sometimes. Honestly quite strange. Well it's just when you're so sweet sometimes. But I'm not sweet. I know, so I think that's when you are, it really comes out. Because, okay, I'm not sweet. You can be though. I'm definitely cheeky, that's for sure. You're a little goofy little cheeks to go. So I get that for a kid.

But it's not about that, it's about, it's almost there's a pureness there. It's not when you're being cheeky, it's when you're being sweet. When? I don't know, just like when you're like really just like pure and innocent Well the one that I always say is when you're walking through the woods

Yeah, but that's literally mental like that is no one agrees Okay, but if you go on a walk with your friends and make them walk through the woods you will love them Because you see them walking But I really felt something for you then. That really moved me. Because it's just nice to see someone of their natural habitat. Okay, let me do your bread. Go on then. I think mine relates to... I mean there's so many. It's like which angle do I go on? I think mine does relate to when you were in Norwich as well. Yeah that was great. When you came to see me.

When we actually traveled together it was so lovely. Yeah, we did. But I really like that you almost give me confidence in a way. Like you meshed in so easily with this group of people that I don't know. Like I just, I do know them, but I've just started to master tech, it's all so fresh. And you're great at reading the room, the dynamics, that you don't come in with any, you know, you just read it so well and it's just like, there are so many people that it would be a tricky mesh with all of these things. And I feel like you're really good at reading rooms, delivering what's needed from you and things like that. And I trust you in those dynamics.

And I don't, I actually don't say that lightly, let down. No, I don't receive it lightly. Thanks. It is kind of a tough situation to suddenly be thrown into. I would probably do something wrong, blah blah blah. And it was just one of those things where it was like, yeah no, this easy like you make things very easy. that's good thanks. which i really love. thank you so much a pleasure to teach some may say. a pleasure to teach. a joy to have in the class. oh god I was I wish I was that. were you not that? maybe I was I think I think I was gobier than I was as a kid. when you were little a pleasure to teach. When you were little, think of like primary school,

a star pupil. Oh yeah, yeah, pleasure to teach. Pleasure to teach. Pleasure to teach. There you go then, so own it. No one says that about my daughter anyway. She is a pleasure to teach, thank you very much. So true. They're lucky to be teaching her, in fact.

My daughter. It's just so funny to. I know, but there are just certain times that you are. I completely get it, but I don't as well. There just is something. Okay, shall we go in? Thank you. Yes. All right. Let's hear what these nutters have to say. Bloody hell. Okay. Okay, this person said I am currently in the most fucked up situation ever. Oh god. Okay, I'm worried. Yeah, same. That's not- That's a stressful beginning considering what we've heard. Yep. Oh god. Okay. These panic me when I read them. I feel

like really scared. Yeah so. Okay. My best friend is completely in love with her boyfriend, talks about him using terms like the one, quote unquote. Planning their future and I've been really happy for her because she deserves the best. Yeah. Lovely. Standard. The other night I was going through my sister's phone looking for Deliveroo, fair enough. Oh no.

And I saw a message pop up from him. Oh God. I was completely shocked as they don't know each other but they met at my birthday party last year and she confessed to me when I went through her phone That they snuck off together that night and have been seeing each other back and forth ever since No, no What are you doing? I haven't spoken to my best friend about it yet best friend What are you doing? I haven't spoken to my best friend about it yet best friend

Sorry, just that lingo that we said but basically her sister's been seeing him behind the best friend's back And now she doesn't know what to do. The friend is really happy. The sister is obviously fucked She knows too much basically what and she ended it by saying what do I even do? I don't even know Right. Okay, let's fucking break this down. there are three people you could speak to in this conversation. uh huh. so your sister is fully clued in with the whole thing. yeah. she knows what she's doing, blah blah blah, she knows what you know. now she does, yeah but she didn't tell. it was revealed. oh it's bad. the best friend here is the true victim of this situation. yeah it really is. or okay and the boyfriend is the fucking villain, surprise surprise.

yeah. and you are now in this terrible situation. yes. okay i think you go with the sister tell the best friend. go with the sister to tell the best friend? basically i would tell my sister to tell the friend you're coming clean blah blah blah you're doing all this thing I would imagine that it would be delivered quite softly by having your best friend there as well. Oh god it's so bad oh my god you know what it kind of reminds me of? This didn't remind me of it before it just kind of came to me the Chloe Kardashian, Tristan Thompson, Kylie. Yeah it kind of be that. What's that girl's name? Jordan. Yes. What's that girl's name?

Jordan Dunno. Jordan? Is that her name? Yeah I think so. Jordan? It doesn't sound right now. We keep having this with names. Andrew Garfield. We're like who the fuck is Andrew Garfield? Why does Andrew Garfield? That's not his name. I don't know but when I say these names they're not seeming real at the moment. It's a name that you've read so many times. Yeah, you're not often saying it, I guess. Garfield is your surname.

Yeah, Garfield. It's like, is anyone acknowledging that? That your name is Garfield? His surname is Garfield. You're named after a little orange cat. It's just like Andrew Scooby-Doo. Like, why have I not taken that in before? Yeah, it reminds me of that situation.

Yeah, it is a bit. Just almost, it's a cheating situation, but there are too many people involved. Yeah, it's like there are extra characters that don't need to be here. The fact that- It's really tough. Because it would be so simple if you knew that the boyfriend was cheating,

it would be horrible, but that is so much easier to deal with because you don't have to protect anybody else other than your friend. But in this situation, you're also invested obviously in your sister. well it's kind of tricky like for example with the Kylie shit it was her best friend was in the wrong so it's kind of like okay family your family's in your life no matter what so lucky it's that lucky for her in a way that it was like okay so her

sister was the one that was being wronged by the best friend and she could team with her family blah blah blah blah all of that bullshit. this one's likely trickier because it's your flesh and blood that is in the wrong here that has betrayed your best friend so i feel like that is slightly more complicated to have to be like to your i don't know i could be more brutal to my family i think i could be like what the fuck have you done 100 but it is tough to have to be like i am siding oh it's really tricky because it's the question of loyalty where do your loyalties lie loyalty i don't know and then it's like the morality of it your loyalty lies with your best friend because it's like i think it has wronged her yeah at the same time it's your fucking sister. yeah it is your sister but like the choice was made back at your birthday party when they did whatever that's so crazy by the way.

which i'm presuming the boyfriend was only there with the best friend at your birthday party. yeah i assume so. which is crazy. the person that has done the wrong here is the fucking boyfriend. Like, this is the villain of this situation. It's kind of like the Jordan, whatever her name was, and Kylie and Chloe and Tristan. So much of that hate went on to Jordan. Yeah, but it was all Tristan's fault. Yeah, the best friend got all of this hate. hate. Yeah ignoring the fact that Tristan has been accepted back into the family

He literally was living at Chloe's house like fucking few months ago We also were his brother like the whole fucking family's there his roof fell down or something. Yeah, he's been accepted back Yet that will be a very different story for truth for whatever her name is Will be scarred by that forever. True victim of this is Chloe but still, true villain of this has been misplaced. I also think the victim of it really was Kylie. Totally, and the girl that's written into us. It's like, yeah exactly, yeah you really are the victim and I don't know why I brought

up the Kardashians really. It's so, the thing that I don't like about it as well is it seems, and I hate to judge, but like quite careless between the sister and the boyfriend. It seems like almost like, are you really, is it worth it almost? Like you're not doing this because it's like, I'm so in love, we need to have kids immediately,

like this is it, whatever, blah, blah, blah. It seems really like, he probably didn't need to do, and now we've caused a big problemo for everybody. This is kind of why in the last episode I was sort of really being like, it's not worth it. Hammering the point of like, is this worth it? And I do think it's a similar thing, that you can ask to the sister. I feel like to the boyfriend, he's not even fucking thinking about worth, he's just like, we'll go where he's led by the sounds of it. But it's almost like to the sister, is it worth causing this not only for the girlfriend, but also for your sister that now has to go through this whole like, oh, awful thing? Is he, is he really who you

want to pursue right now? But also, I think even in a bigger way it does call it into question the thing of like this boyfriend regardless of who choose who he chooses or who chooses him oh my god yeah defines him worth it or whatever i'm hoping nobody that thing now surely it's kind of the only fan thing the situation has changed he you were calling him the one all of this stuff he has proven himself to be someone completely different now. oh it's so horrible. is this whole thing even worth it? like is it even about the girls and who has slept with him or whatever or is it now more about the thing of like, is this guy worth arguing over? no definitely not. definitely not. i think as well, the thing with the situation has

changed is there's so much like recontextualizing or like adjusting the way that you perceive people like almost You're changing like people's identity. It changes right before your very eyes with this new information that you've learned It's like a case your sister now. Maybe it's it's like are you somebody different than I thought or like Oh, I thought you maybe tell me if something like this happened, or like, that in itself is one thing. Then it's like, the girlfriend and the boy, like, do you know what I mean? It's so much adjusting the narrative of like, who people are.

I think the sister not telling is mental. Like, that to me is one of the biggest things there. It's a bit like, is she okay? Like, almost like, is she really going through something? Like, it's a bit kind of it seems really reckless i think completely like it seems like not really an active choice it kind of feels like not very in control. that's kind of why i said about the boyfriend going where he's led it doesn't feel like it's so it's like the fact it was at a birthday party as well it's almost like oh so he

was at a party just sort of the girlfriend brought him along to this other starts flirting with him, he just starts off fucking flirting with her, they have sex, whatever. Then they just start texting. It's like almost, why is he so easily led? Like was the sister in him, was that like a long-term building thing? Well to carry it on just from that as well is crazy. It's like, it's crazy for it to be one thing, okay like something happened at at a birthday party but I'm assuming the girlfriend was there. She's a best friend and the best friend's boyfriend was there. So I'm assuming everybody's here at this party. The fact for it to start there and then to not be an isolated incident and to continue into like messages I find weird.

It's awful. That's like a jump. Do you know what I mean? You've really taken it. Yeah it's an affair. You've taken it home with you. It's actually an affair. Yeah. So what the fuck do you do what i mean? you've really taken it. yeah it's an affair. you've taken it home with you. yeah. so what the fuck do you do in this? well what would you do in this situation if you found out that my boyfriend was having a thing with lizzie, your sister. oh yikes. well that's fucking crazy. what the fuck do you do? first thing i do. at your party. literally number one on my agenda is i scream at her what the fuck have you done like you absolute moron

like blah blah blah why why why try get the bottom I think first thing I do I unleash hell on her. First on the agenda let me check my to-do list it's absolutely ruined your life. Is literally go nuts at her. Go berserk. That would be first thing I would do. Second thing I would do is try find some empathy why have you done this what's going on here. second thing i would do is try find some empathy. why have you done this? what's gone on here? third thing i would do, construct a plan with her to tell you. yeah. oh i don't want it! that would be the thing i would do. i really do think it's like, right, so there would not be any fucking hope of siding with the person that's done that. i just think it's like, no matter where you're... in that situation wrong is wrong. it's not really about... the incident is really clear.

i think you can still like... i would want to find the empathy there. like i would want to know like what the fuck's going on? why have you done this? like you're clearly going through something. yeah. what the fuck has gone on? like i would feel huge betrayal for not being told about it immediately and nipped in the bud I would basically yeah I'd unleash hell number one number two find empathy empathy empathy number three tail wing with Lizzie that's gonna be horrible not looking forward to that. I would be like right okay we're gonna now go and tell this situation fucking hell well then top of my list unleash hell. yeah and then then i would with then i would

probably be the mediator through this um unleashing situation. jesus. and then i would tell lizzy to leave. poor girl she's done nothing wrong. it's scooby-doo monsters unleashed. and i would say now you leave i've done my empathy for you and i've unleashed hell on you and then i would be there supporting wig. it would be horrible. but we'd have a great time, we'd be really bonding like hell. we would have a horrific time. but that's what i would do. and then i would be fully in support mode for you. i feel like that's the way i would play it. the thing as well that it brings up, any cheating stuff brings up really, is like the amount of decisions that are made to continue a betrayal. Like almost it's like, okay, it's a first look

and then it's a conversation. And then you started to keep chatting and then you started to keep chatting and then you thought, hmm, maybe I should stop this. And you thought, no, I won't, I'll carry on. This is what gets me. It's that on and on and on, every decision you made to lead you up onto that point

and then to sustain it like over messages. Yeah. It's a lot of committing. You committed to making a mistake basically. This is definitely something I've only realised as I've got older maybe, but the steps that go into a betrayal like cheating on somebody that you love are quite unforgivable and I think as a society the language of like cheated on or like they slept with someone else, they got with someone else, whatever they did.

It suggests that it was like one mistake. And from watching Made in Chelsea, I know that's how they play it off. Oh, it was just one mistake. It was one mistake. The steps that go into the series of mistakes that you have had to make to make that one huge mistake that becomes the one mistake you've actually made 20 mistakes. 100% At number 16 you chose to go back over to the drinks table where they

knew you were. Step number 17 you spoke to the friend and said oh are they single you're making so many many mistakes and you're choosing time and time and time and time again before it gets to the point where you're in bed and their penis is inside you. It's literally over and over again. That is the final mistake. Yeah. The point where they kiss you. Okay what so you haven't slept with them yet and then you yet make the decision to take off your clothes. To keep going. Another mistake. It's a lot. To close the door of the bedroom like there are so many mistakes that lead to the one that they put it down to. And I find those just as harrowing as that last one. Maybe even more harrowing, yeah. Because then it's like when you've done all of them

then yeah, fuck it, you may as well commit. Just do it. Exactly. You've already. It's not just one mistake. You've made 50 mistakes leading up to here. You've made 50 choices where you put me at the bottom of the all priority list. But then I do think. I'm stamped all over it. That is when I try and call in

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Chase down your goals with 20 to 45 minute tread workouts. No matter your goals or time, Peloton has everything you need to become everything you want. Find your push, find your power. Peloton. Visit OnePeloton.ca There will be reasons why. 100%. There will be reasons why. 100% There will be reasons why they have done that. And it's like, I, do you know what, actually reading Sally Rooney does help me with this as well. I feel like she does such a good job of humanising people whose decisions I disagree with and really understanding why they are making these, what I would call mistakes mistakes and I do think it's important

to sort of see why yeah you went back over to the drinks table when you saw them over there and why you closed the bedroom door. It's Taylor's oldest time in fact. I know why before it's even happened. But to forgive that is the next impossible challenge you have. 100% I think when you're the person who's on the other end of it and not just for example in this situation but being the girlfriend that feels like I think how that person on what yeah it's yeah how the person on the other end of it receives it is totally different than how anybody else could get there because it's just when it's directed at you it's a different story. And also why should you have to be in the position of

at you it's a different story. and also why should you have to be in the position of immediately finding empathy and forgiveness for something that you for a party you were not in attendance at for example it's like that is a different fucking story. oh I hate it. it's horrific. I would do the thing of like oh I sometimes do a you have to tell them or I will sort of thing. Yeah. But then I do think in this case, yeah, it probably is best for it to be like a trio conversation. It's the best friend. It's like, it's the three of you that it's like, I'm this, I'm bringing this information

to you as your friend with my sister here, because I found this out and I needed this to come out immediately and I need you to know. And I need my sister to apologize or whatever. I need, I need you to know and I need my sister to apologize or whatever I need you to be able to have the convo. It's just horrible now though because it's like why the fuck is there... yeah it's just horrible like why is there a rift between like it would be important to me that you have a good relationship with Lizzie and you know and that you have good feelings towards my family like that.

I don't know if there's any coming back from that personally between me and Lizzie. Of course there's not, there's absolutely not and that's why whatever her name is Jordan and Chloe are not friends even though she's got Tristan living in her house. There is no coming back because you do in that situation need often a villain that isn't the guy that had the loyalty to you. That is the horrific thing. i hate that he's done this. i hate him. i hate his guts. ah grind his bones to make my bread. genuinely. tail as old as time though genuinely.

it is. it really is. that's the bit that's horrific. yeah. it's a really hard one to be in. i think the thing as well i'd be thinking is at what point were you going to alert me of this situation because it is a- That's the ongoing bit. That is a big thing that it's like you made this whole mess and you didn't even tell me and I can imagine that it will be something along the lines of I didn't want to tell you because I knew you'd feel bad about the friend or whatever and I knew it would put you in an awkward position but it's kind of like you've put me in the awkward position just by doing it so you may as well tell me. Like I feel like sometimes people don't want to tell you things because they're like, but then I knew you'd be upset and it's like,

well, I would be upset regardless because you've done something to upset me. Yeah. It's just I didn't want to have to face the fact that I've upset you. I didn't want to have to face the thing that would upset you. It's like, but you've already done it that would upset me. But yeah, it's nothing about they don't want to upset you. I think that is such a ridiculous line. You don't just want to then not tell me. Yeah, it's terrible. If you didn't want to upset me, you wouldn't is such a ridiculous line. Yeah, it's terrible. If you didn't want to upset me, you wouldn't have fucked someone else. You wouldn't have done it.

No, I actually find that so, it is the ultimate selfish move you can make to not tell someone after you've done something like that. I do think there is a world, I mean, cheating is something that I find so abhorrent. Like I actually find it so disgusting and like immoral. And I actually have like, yeah, I would find it so disgusting and like immoral and I actually have like, yeah, I would find it very very very difficult to forgive or respect someone after they've

done something like that, but I do think there's a world in which someone that I'm with, for example, could make a mistake like that and we move on and I truly forgive them with empathy and understanding why they did it, but I think it has this huge, huge, huge, huge, huge claws on of like the minute that it fucking happens you prioritise me. It's like you've made your mistake, whatever. If you can tell me, oh I don't even know, because also it's like I don't know if I could forgive this but I can imagine there's some work which I understand it. If the moment that you tell me that you've made a mistake and blah blah blah and like it's such a big mistake and all of this stuff blah blah blah, I feel like I could maybe get my head around

it in some way. What I could never forgive, and I just know it for a fucking fact, is the idea that you would do something like that and then come home, have dinner with me, sort of maybe even have sex with me. 100%. And then we're doing the next day, and then maybe in a week later it comes out, oh my God, I did this thing. I find that absolutely unforgivable.

Well even months later it seems like here, it's crazy. Well it's almost like, were you gonna let her marry you and then have kids with you and all of this stuff? Were you gonna let her do all of that? And then years later be like, oh I need to tell you that at the party I hooked up with. Jesus. Fingy sister, unforgivable. And don't leave out the fact that you then kept messaging her. For what? You're pursuing, you are pursuing. 100%.

You want to turn it up a notch. You want to amplify it. You've made a big mistake and you think yeah let's just make it messier. Let's keep this thing going. Let's keep this party going. Unforgivable. Actually truly unforgivable I think. It's quite bad. I do think the next steps are always really important. Like almost thing going. Let's keep this party going. Unforg- actually truly unforgivable I think. I do think the next steps are always really important, like almost what happens after the mistake. That kind of time, like that, like, um, the morning after sort of thing of that event unfolding is like crucial time, like the sooner it's dealt with- 100 golden hour.

Yeah honestly, like, and I've seen so many people and so many relationships do the whole like we're moving forward thing yeah and like have the conversations or whatever but the thing I do see most and the thing that I think I would probably do is be like yeah we're moving forward moving forward and then every kind of six weeks I bring it up yeah because it's totally me up inside and I can't help but like jab at you when you like cough or something. I'm like shut up! Like do you know what I mean?

Like just anything you do I'm like you're so fucking annoying! And it's not because you're annoying necessarily, it's because you've absolutely betrayed me and I can't, not for lack of trying, I can't move on. Well it makes every single thing amplified because every single, yeah okay so you

an hour late home. You're cheating. That then brings up the feeling of like, now I'm super paranoid about you. Like the whole dynamic has completely changed. I don't wanna do anything for you. I don't like, I hate you basically. You've brought out hatred in me

that I didn't want to deal with. Because it's such a huge thing to ask of someone. How on earth can you ask someone to forgive that? And to ask of yourself I think. I think the main thing I think where I would maybe feel is like I would want so badly to be able to forgive because then you feel better. Literally. And it's like a problem that I didn't make. Yeah I'd love to solve it by just forgiving me. Totally. That is like apart from the best case scenario being just undoing the whole thing, if we can't go back in time that's like next best option is okay i'll just i can handle it i can take this i'll forgive you and we can work at this and it

requires so much of everybody involved. how do you meet there? how do you work through that? i actually don't know. like i actually find that truly so impressive of someone to be able to like actually forgive that like and i don't think that that should be an encouraged thing at all. I really don't. It's not for the faint of heart, I would say. No, and I don't think it's, I think it's something that people can convince themselves

of quite easily because it is so convenient to be like, I forgive him, we're working through, we're moving forward, blah, blah, blah. If you truly have reached forgiveness, which I don't even know necessarily how you would if you truly have reached forgiveness, which i don't even know necessarily how you would know you'd reached that state, i truly find that so impressive. me too. me too. like i have a lot of respect for that in the way that i think it could easily get confused with weakness, but i actually do respect it maybe. i know i really respect

it. i also think fuck him just leave. Yeah we had a conversation recently. Well first of all I really respect it because I think I really envy being able to like move through feeling really shit about something and like being the anger and the jealousy and all of those things and like genuinely being able to move past it sounds amazing. Yeah.

Like teach us, teach us your ways. Then why should you have to? But then it begs the question, like we had a conversation and it was, you were telling me about someone in Maiden Chelsea and you were saying like, you might wanna go into it maybe, I'll give you the space to. But it was basically like they'd broken up

and then got back together after like maybe he'd been a dick, I'm assuming. And I was kind of, you were like, it's quite sweet, or like, not it's quite sweet, you were like, it's quite fun, like quite iconic to go back and be like, whatever it worked, I'm not sure maybe what your take was. But my take was, it's not worth it, it's not worth it. Like why should you have to go back?

Like there are, do you know how many people there are in this world? You don't have to go back to the one who fucks you over. Like even if they are amazing, wouldn't you just rather try something else out? Like there are so many people here for you that if you wanted to be with somebody doesn't necessarily have to be the only guy that you've kind of had a previous thing with that you kind of think oh yeah i'll blow that flame back up. do you know what i mean? what this was i

sort of was just trying to work out who that was but it's old old old people it's millie mackintosh getting back with so her like sort of teenage love or who she was with on Made in Chelsea like series like one and two sort of thing this guy Hugo he cheated on her blah blah blah she moved on she married Professor Green she like left the show like she's been living her life whatever Millie McIntosh is up to and then like it's been like 10 years and now she's back with Hugo she's got some kids with him and I hate it obviously but there is a weird bit of me that loves it because she's gone away. Like she left him, he cheated on her, she left him and she lived this whole life without him. And there is something I like about the narrative, like I don't know what she's done at all in her life to like do this or if she has done it but the idea

of being like we are different people now, we have both lived these huge lives, like you were a kid when you did that. um there is something kind of normal people about it the idea of being like yeah i'm getting back with this guy like now i have such an understanding of him he has an understanding we've like built a respect here but that's very flattering to call him carnival and i don't believe i don't believe that he respects it and also he cheats on her with rosie who was her best friend and she did such an iconic moment oh yeah yeah the birthday party. Where she claps and goes I want to say thank you to Rosie Fordsky for, to Hugo Taylor for hooking up with Rosie Fordsky on my birthday. Great moment. Crazy moment which I've never seen but I've heard. It's crazy and I think it's disgusting.

It's mental. But in a way when I saw their back together I was like oh my god weird like I'm kind of happy for her. Yeah I I remember my thing being like ultimate. It's kind of like sometimes I have these things with Ozzy where I'm like, I'm training you to do the wrong thing or like, you know, you're training a dog and I do think sometimes everyone is a bit like a dog. That it's like if you cheat on me and then doesn't really matter how long it takes six hours, six weeks, six months, six years, you end up back in bed with me. I have maybe told you in some way that you can do anything to me and I will let it happen. Maybe.

Like there's an image of that that I would want to make sure we're fighting against, that I would have to be able to interrogate with you, that you know you're back in bed with me out of my choice and despite all of these things and because I'm seeing growth and lessons in you and that we're connecting on something really really it would have to be so freaking deep. 100%. It would have to be so like I know you are with me emotionally in this moment we are meeting for me to even consider it to be honest and I generally it would be one of

those things for me where i would think it's just not worth it rather just try something else and also i've seen main Chelsea and i've seen Hugo and it's not worth it obviously it's like some rat man like posh man like it's absolutely not worth it i i also think i have a personal issue and a personal gripe and a personal trauma with like letting a man treat you badly and staying with them and staying or like not even staying but just like coming back or just like feeling that's the only thing for you. It's a fear of mine that I never want to recreate things that I've seen so I take it very like I'm quite cutting that it's just like look you've done what you had to do and

now we part ways which would devastate me but I do think that is a really I think there's a lot of empowerment to be had from women from leaving situations and actually not even necessarily empowerment in themselves, but also like fun, self-confidence, living an actual life. I do think there could be so much, if women weren't so scared of losing their only option or they didn't feel like men were scarce. I do think, I don't know, there would be so much, I think their lives would be better to be honest. I actually do think the way that women are scared into staying in things, or they almost think, oh I've been with them like three years, I'll cut my losses now.

Like that's kind of, I don't want to start from scratch sort of thing. And I really think that it keeps, I mean we all fucking know it, we've seen it. It does. It's everywhere. And people do it I think with jobs as well a lot. And I feel like that's a really encouraged one. But I also think there's a lot of, I think it's really really difficult for people in difficult situations to ever imagine themselves out of that situation. Yeah. And it's like really fucked. And I almost think in this situation,

I can see how the best friend would be like, okay, let's forget it sort of thing. Do you know what I mean? Because it's almost too painful to go there. I've seen so much people be like, just almost turn a blind eye. That's like a real hoping mechanism. 100%.

That is the main thing they have in their arsenal i would say like if you find yourself turning a blind eye to something i would say turn them on turn the blind eyes off put the good eyes on whatever that is if you find yourself doing that that means there's something like quite wrong, I would say. 100%. But I think that that's almost what abusers or just like people making mistakes and doing fucked up things, that's what they have in their arsenal, I think, is your lack of willingness to acknowledge how humiliated and devastated you are. It's like, that is going to make it easier for you to fuck me over.

Cause if you do, I'll kind of pretend it's not happening. Or like, I so desperately can't handle this pain that I will pretend it's not there. And that benefits you. Cause it means you don't have to deal with it either. Yeah, you can just live your life. You just keep doing exactly what you're doing. Also, I think it's women's ability,

just women's brilliant minds really, their ability to romanticise everything. Anything can be made romantic. Women really do have the most amazing imaginations. You can turn someone that is not only just average but someone that's actively hurting you and making your life significantly worse. The way I have seen people be able to spin it in their minds to make it. It's crazy. Literally the love of their lives, the only person. Sabrina Carpenter has a song on her album called Lie to Girls and the hook is, you don't have to lie to girls if they like you, they'll just lie to themselves.

Literally and that is exactly it. It's like don't worry about lying to me, I'll just do it for you. Like I've got it. Yeah, I would tell you already. You're already amazing. I've turned, I've written a whole thing about you. I'm not to benefit you, it's to help me. It's to make this life easier. Yeah. And it's to make you hot because you're not doing it. I'm making you hot. Yeah, no I've done everything for you. Yeah. It's a tragedy actually. I do think women should be actually more willing to walk away from things. It's almost seen as, I don't know, extreme or a feminist, a political thing.

Maybe it is political, but I do think there is, if you're in a situation where not even you're unhappy, but just a mediocre thing, I'm not telling you to break up with your boyfriend, but there is nothing tying you to this. I think remember that it's always an option. There is really always the option to leave and have more fun elsewhere or go and make your life whatever you want to make it. There really is not, this guy is not the pinnacle. He is really just a guy and they are fucking dime a dozen I promise you. Oh fuck what was I gonna say? Go on. I knew this would happen. You get it. Hang on, it's somewhere.

Fuck. I can't remember. Go on. I can't remember it. It's gone. It might come back to me. Okay. It might come back.

Yeah, it might. Okay. But we're tying this up, so. Oh god, well this has been great. So good. Why has this been the most fun? I would kind of be open to the idea of people saying they love this so much and wanting it to continue because i'm loving this. i'd definitely be up for

the idea of people telling us they loved it for sure. almost like what would be so bad about doing one of these a month or something, i dunno. i definitely love the vibe of it. horror stories. me too. sypheon wings horror stories. It's so good. It's so fun. It's so fun, I've loved it. It's just so nice to have an insight into what's going on. I'm feeling good things for you guys, everything will work out. 100% and you have options, you have choices, and like you have options, you have choices, you are a you genuinely are like an autonomous being in this world who deserves to be happy and you really can be like that is within your range. I just remembered this big thing that I was gonna say. Can I say it now? Yeah. Sorry we can put this back in or whatever. No leave it here. Sorry okay so basically I was thinking we were talking about

like staying and starting from scratch and like men are scarce and all of this stuff. Yeah. Something I've said before and I think about all the time. And do you remember when I used to use the analogy of like, I think I used it in terms of like learning about consent and like sex and stuff. The thing that I used to say was if you learnt what a phone was from someone who is, for example, my mum's generation, she knows a phone as like a landline thing

and it's maybe cordless, but it maybe is wired, whatever. And if I learnt about it from my nan, my nan would teach me about a phone that's like, okay, cord it up and it's like dial number one, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And if I teach about a phone, it's I'm teaching about an iPhone. The things that we have learned are so cemented

in who we are and from our perspectives in time that, for example, if we're talking about men being scarce and stuff, I do think it's so biologically deep entrenched in us that we learn about what relationships were from a generation of women who couldn't open credit cards without a man's name or couldn't, so many things, there's so many things that are really truly, they were biological facts, they were legal rights

that are in our being and yeah, it's still upheld in the social things that we sometimes say or there's narratives or whatever, Disney films, feel like is the easiest way that we just attribute certain messaging. But it's so true. But it's so true and it's so much deeper than that I think. It's not just about little things that we say about like, oh women go home and go back in the kitchen and make your dinner for your kids or whatever.

No, it's in every single sentence. It's in every fibre of your being and all the things that you, when you were two years old and your nan was saying something and you couldn't process it, but it's in your being. Like, I think there's so much that like the consciousness now is so, where it's so in the early hours of women having consciousness of like challenging, like monogamy

and like just being a mother and like kind of like traditional subverting traditional ideas. Yeah. And their own bodies and sexuality and everything. Like throughout history, men have always viewed women or throughout the history of, I don't know, semi recent history, men have viewed women as abundant and there's for the taking, again, not human coming

back to that, but for women, men are something to be tied to, they're scarce, you get one choice in your life that you make that choice and you cannot go back from that choice and you accept him no matter what he does, he will be able to, to be honest, it very, very recently has been made unacceptable for men to cheat. That has been a thing that you would expect your husband to do and that it's your job to accept it and bear his children. That has been women's lot for centuries. That has been the fucking deal.

It has very, very, very recently but that has not been the case for literally long you know? yeah. sort of fucked up the end of that but you know you know what I mean. literally long you know we know what you mean. literally long right? it's so fucked up. okay I love that we've ended this on an angry note. a horrified note in fact. yeah truly horrified. it is a horror story. I've ended this angry and scared. And I do feel bad for this situation. I want to hear updates from everyone and I want to hear what everyone else would do in these situations. Like we need the community to come forward now. Genuinely. We now speak directly to you. Please come forward. Make yourselves known. Like I genuinely would want to know what would be the first

thing on the show list. what do you do? okay well thank you so much for being part of horror stories everybody. genuinely thank you so much and thank you so much particularly to everyone that sent things in. yeah. because wow you really did not disappoint. and thank you to everyone who always sends stuff in. it is, we're very lucky. It means everything, genuinely. This is very fun. And happy Halloween, guys. Happy Halloween!

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