Goes Without Saying - new year, same insecurities & existential dread: nobody's coming, harry

Episode Date: December 30, 2024

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This is like a proper meaty episode of goes without saying. We are unpacking whatever the fuck 2024 was, whether you're feeling like confident or surprise surprise not feeling so great we are figuring out what we're leaving behind and what we're bringing in for 2025 all the kind of good things good vibes that we're bringing in for the new year with no pressure we're just feeling chilled and like just trying to feel okay in the world. It's a really,

really nice comfy episode for this kind of like weird purgatory time that we're in, um, just before the new year. So if you're feeling like you need to just shake off a little bit of dust and energy, this is a lovely episode for you. Enjoy. Hello. Wow. Last of 2024. Yeah, it feels good to be here. It feels good to be here and it will feel good to be out of here as well. Yeah. As in out of, I'm done with this now, 2024. December. This silly stuff. I like December. It feels weird that we're still in December. It's like, Podmas was so fucking great. First of all, congratulations to everyone

for getting through Podmas. Everybody involved, thank you so much for being there. What an amazing fucking Podmas it was. Two hiccups. What a great Podmas it was. Two hiccups, but we made it through. But we did a lot. We did do a hell of a lot. Maybe even too much. Yeah, some may say.

Some may say. So it feels weird to be coming to you guys in December still like it feels like after podmas it should be like fresh start yeah and it will be but just not yet we're in the limbo still we've got a really fun series planned for January we have a very fun series kind of by accident as I guess all sephian wing things kind of yeah about. Very organically, you could say. But I am really excited for that. Me too. I'm really excited.

Also, there are gonna be some changes on the pod. Like we're changing our, we're changing some stuff up. All for the better. And things were like, so, so, so, so, so for the better. We're actually like moving into the fucking 21st century. We're like, kind of like, okay, we know how to you know, we're adding some video potentially Yeah, but also we're gonna change our schedule a little bit. Yeah, nothing scary all good No, all good things should we talk about this now? Yeah, go on

This can't be real Someone just emailed us saying just wanted to check if you're interested in receiving complimentary holidays in exchange for content. Yes, oh I'm interested. That can't be real. Yeah, no, it's not real. Are we gonna go get like our organs harvested? Yes, that's exactly what's gonna happen. I always think it's gonna be like a Josh Peters like pranking influencers thing. Are we pranked?

You know when they told people they were going on like the late late show with James Corden and it's like it's actually all like whatever in English. Still a free trip somewhere. Yeah, but I'm pretty sure they just did it in their living rooms on Zoom. I'll go to his living room. Oh, no, their own living room. I'll go there all the time. I watched his, I watched it after a night out, Josh Peters, quote unquote documentary about that girl, not Bonnie Blue, the other girl that slept with. I just, I was getting quite angry, I think my housemates were quite shocked by my reaction. But I was literally like, he is not cut out for this conversation.

This is not, he thinks he's Louis Theroux, this poor guy. but he was so inept i thought at this- having this like quite serious conversation. same but i also think it was just starting- it's just an introduction i think. and i'm happy that he did that. well get to the fucking meat of it mate. no but like i'm happy that- i'm happy that he did it. i think he was the best case scenario for I do not someone in that like league Some guy in kind of the YouTube world like I think his YouTube videos are really good I think it was so that was despicable. I think even Louis Theroux wouldn't be cut out for it Like I think it needs to be like so shocking seriously like in depth

It needs to be like that's like a six-part at a minimum It needs to be a woman. It needs to be a woman. You cannot comprehend this. But I think it's bigger than a documentary right now I almost think it's just a consequence of like we don't have the vocabulary or the conversation to be able to articulate What is happening right now? But even just from a basic level the basic level, the questions he was asking her were like, do you think you'll ever, any man will ever want to marry you, like does that concern you?

And then the men after they've slept with her, he'd be like, so what was your journey here? How'd you get here? It's like, you're not asking them, do you think anyone will ever marry you? Or like, I just thought it was absolutely, he was inept. But I think it matches, I think it matches

where we're at right now. And I think it couldn't be pushed further until- I think it matches where men are at. Well, I think it's Lily Phillips 101. I think it's like, weird sex stuff is happening 101 and we need to have that conversation. It's kind of Barbie America for Error. Like, I think it's like, this conversation-

I thought it was so much less. Is needed, I think, unfortunately. I don't think I don't think that was needed. I don't think anyone else has got the breadth to be able to cover it right now. They do. Way more than him. Like he was truly truly I thought such a disappointing way of that conversation to play out. I think it's opened just I think it's just the beginning. I hope so but I wish someone that could do it was opening it. Yeah same it would be amazing. It would be literally so amazing it was just so disappointing it's like this conversation is so

like it's actually like heartbreaking her sitting there crying it's actually so devastating. And there's someone being like oh it stinks in here it's like cool yeah yeah I agree with you and we're changing up our schedule how the fuck oh yeah how did we get there? Just touching on Lily Phillips quickly. That's just a little bit of something. So we're changing up our schedule so we so we get we used to do every Monday yeah. So we used to do every Monday. Yeah, all right. We used to do every Monday was the podcast, Safian Wing Day Mondays.

Those are that same. We then were like, okay, so why don't we do two a week? Monday and Thursday, that will be really good. Great, all of the stuff. And it kind of, it was great. It is great. we've had the conversation before as well many a times about pushing the tampon all the way in if you will which is like an observation of we feel good when we're doing it a

lot and did it however I don't know how you guys feel personally I'm sure you can tell by my tone Podmas was a lot every day day is a lot. Two times a week is a lot. We're not in a pandemic anymore. You people have lives. I get it. We are busy. And also, I think it's important for the podcast to be really, for example, meaty, like in the Lily Phillips, Josh Peters documentary sense. It's important to give the the full breadth of content and I think are we diluting by spreading ourselves thinner across two days a week rather than just giving you something like really meaty for an hour on a Monday and then you can kind of microdose that within your week however you so please. Also we literally did spread it thinner like in a really practical way. Like if you actually look at our, which we don't really do that often, but we sat down

in a meeting semi recent, not recently, like six months ago. And we sort of realised that when we doubled our episodes, we literally split our audience in half. It's not like our audience doubled with that and it's like, okay, everyone's listening to them. No, you're still listening to the same amount that you were listening to. We stayed at the same level but we were doing the same, double the amount of work for the exact same amount of people actually listening. I feel like as well the just even the terminology of

work it doesn't really, I feel like this you know we can just we can give more when we just tap for like 45 minutes to an hour every week. week totally we can all have a better time I feel like well we can try it and see how we feel but and also we are gonna start filming so we had a basically we're gonna move like providers yeah yeah so we basically figuring out our shit but I know you know one of the yeah sorry no no one of the things that they need from us is that every single um episode is filmed so we were like okay fuck like I don't think we can film two a week like it's just too much but we can if we go down to doing one a week it means we can film it so kind of I just feel

like it feels so much better yeah and also that will be completely optional like for you guys nothing really is gonna change in your experience you can still other than the Thursday episode you're not fussed about anyway right like we're gonna be here we're gonna probably be here for a longer so you can split us up however you want yeah and I just feel like we're actually gonna be having better combos because we can fully get into stuff. Definitely and I think you can tell, god look we are the most like we are we all we ever fucking say on this thing is how much we love it blah blah blah but I also think you can tell that we

are quite burnt out as well. So I think just do it and we want this to be like a sustainable amazing thing. It's non-negotiable that this is sustainable. It's not even like a one. It's like that is imperative to life. 100%. Like, goes without saying isn't going anywhere. So I think we, that is what, that is the New Year's resolutions in a way. Yeah, I think so. Which sound really good to me personally. Just give a better Monday episode basically. That's filmed and that

is like we can properly get into it rather than always feeling a bit on the back foot of like right okay so by the time the episode has gone out we're already thinking about the next one we can actually properly like think what do we want to talk about do it when we're in the like a good mood to do it rather than being like fuck one's got to go out like we're already behind we've got a whole week to play with our moods, basically. Yeah, yeah. Which will be really nice. Yeah, I agree.

Making something better, basically. Yeah. And on that note, just in the kind of general reflections of the end of the year, the start of a new one, how are we feeling? I'm feeling so fucking renewed. So I'm 28 now, guys. Oh yeah! I'm 20 flipping eight renewed. So I'm 28 now guys. Oh, yeah

I'm 20 flippin a finer freaking Lee. I love when you're younger than ever though because she's had an LVL Oh, yeah That was how the lash live she looks amazing honestly They're half price Christmas Eve my sister's friend shout out live They're half price Christmas Eve my sister's friend shout out live Oh, it's quite shout out live honestly She was just like she said to me you're the perfect candidate for this because you've got long eyelashes, but they're fucking dead straight They are literally straight as a fucking board yeah, so she tinted them and permed them

Yeah, I've got mascara on the map I don't know you can wear makeup over them now? Yeah I've got mascara on them now but I don't... Right. So you can wear makeup over them now that they're done? You can but you can't use... this has changed my life a little bit. An oil? Because this is... you cannot use a... you can't use any oil on it. Yeah, a little bit. Which I... guys I wash my face with just like oil. Jojoba oil, right? Jojoba oil, that is like the cleanser, moisturizer, everything. It's the kind of I drink the stuff like, cause I like all, just the thing about me, I like things to be like, scentless, organic, kind of, from the earth. Like I don't like anything shitty to go on my skin. So that's a bit of a problem.

So I just haven't been moisturizing or anything. what have you been doing to get rid of water? I use micellar water to take my eyeliner off and then I'm just not washing my face with anything fair enough, you're looking back to the never so something's working yeah you know nice yeah I'm excited for the new year yeah I need some freshness I need a new lease yeah it feels quite like why I bought up my birthday sorry is that it feels like I get the 28 and the new year get the new age in the new year at the same time so I feel quite ready for my refresh yeah of the new year now so we asked on the story for your 2025 ins and

outs things that are we're adding to the new year, things that we're like leaving behind in 2024. I do feel like 2024, it feels like it's gone really really quick but then also I don't know if it's just the slog of the end of the year but it feels like it's kind of gone on forever I'm not gonna lie. Genuinely. Like I am really ready to see the back of it and I love the sound of it. I know this doesn't matter to literally anybody but doesn't 2025 just sound nice so that kind of gives me a little, you know, step pep in my step. Pepping your step. You know 2025, yeah, I'm not going to argue with that.

So, yeah, what are we leaving behind? What are we adding? Should we get in? Yeah. Yeah. Thoughts? Yeah. Do you have anything or do you want to bounce off other people's?

Cause I'd love to know what you are leaving behind and what you're adding. Okay. So today and tomorrow is going to be my day of like... totally. I'm actually going to the sauna in the steam room today. oh my god you're actually doing it? I need to do it because yeah. Sefi said earlier when we first got on the FaceTime she was like I've been running so much and I don't run normally but I've never been running less than I am now. I'm not giving health, i'm not, no part of me is like, i'm basically, i'm not on good form. i'm, every part of me is like, i've kind of not been washing my face for different reasons. like it's just a different vibe over here. so i definitely just want to be like, newborn baby again. yeah. and kind of what i've been saying for like the past few months, but I just I don't know what was up with me this year, but I definitely had more moments than I'd like of

Classically, I know I've said this before but like not being nice to myself Just like being annoying to myself being a bit of a dick to myself I feel like I've lost some good habits that I had mentally going on of like Maybe 2023 got these years do not feel real to me. I feel like since 2020 everything has just, I've crunched the numbers. Everything has just become one. Yeah, crunch them again, I'm not feeling right.

Just all of a sudden everything's melted down into just like one mush of my life. But for like 2023 I had like some good, I was in a good rhythm with like, for like I could see myself as a person Rather than just like this mess of like a thing just this blob going through life like fucking up. Yeah big enough Which sounds very dramatic. I'm recording. Yeah Hey, hi Erin. She's called wing on here. It's actually my alter ego

She looks a bit rough right now also. I don't think you should. I actually don't grow up with sisters or siblings really, like me and my cousin, that's probably, that's definitely the closest thing I've got to a sibling and he would really roast me, but I didn't grow up with someone being like, like every day being like, you look really rough or whatever. And it's turned me into someone who is, I'm too fragile, like I can't handle.

Well, cause you can't just have it a bit. They need to be able to, you need to be able to say to back to them, you look rough. But I just, if someone, like, if you said to me now it a bit you they need to be able to you need to have to say to back to them You know rough, but I just if someone like if you said to me now you look rough. I would know would never say I know Fucked up like also I do look rough right now. I look really busted like just end of the year The slog is so real. But yeah, yeah, I'm just too I'm in my head. I'm very self-critical It's boring is boring and I just want wanna be nicer and I wanna enjoy my life.

I feel like 2023, I was like really in a good rhythm of like having fun and like being really self-indulgent with myself and my time and just like really enjoying myself. So I wanna add that more in 2025. I wanna really be like confident in myself. Yeah. So I don't know how I'm gonna do that. I mean same. We'll figure it out. Can we do it together? Yeah 100%. What about you? I don't know I made a vision

board. Oh you did? Like just on Pinterest. I don't know what's on there. I don't know the fucking Pinterest app but then I'm fucking screen recording this. Oh yeah. But I can't remember what was on there. I did put New York on there. That's fun. And I put specifically New York in the autumn because I feel like that potentially attainable. Yeah, it is because it pushes it back. Yeah 100% I really want to go this year. I've never been in my whole god damn life And I would love selfishly I would love to be there for you for your first please I would love it I would beg I would love it so much. Don't make me get down on my knees. Also I do think there's power in the vision board because I had New York randomly on my 2024 vision board. Yeah. And then also I

didn't even book this trip it just fell into my lap. That came from God essentially. That literally was a gift from God and I still have the cheeks to be like I haven't had fun this year. It was frankincense and myrrh. It was truly a gift to the newborn baby. It was a gift from God, I still have the cheeks to be like I haven't had fun this year. It was frankincense and myrrh. It was truly a gift to the new born baby. It was a gift from God, fell into my lap and I was not deserving but I did have a great time and then I only the other day I was like shit I put New York randomly on my... It's the Kieran Culkin. It is the Kieran Culkin of it all. Which who by the way specifically was on Sefi's vision board, not mine. I got ill, couldn't go to the screening where he was. Sefi wasn't ill and had the best time. And I literally sat very close to Kieran Culkin, love of my life. Well, you know, in the same

room. He's on a stage, I'm in the audience, very close. And god, it meant so much. And then I realised, fuck, he was on my literal vision board. So iconic. So this year I'm gonna be very careful with who I put on. Oh, you're putting people on? Who's getting the call up this year? I might put Josh Hutchinson on. I would not mind meeting him. I'm not in a Josh Hutchinson phase,

though that's the problem. But like, I do think I need to meet him at some point. I'm gonna put Lily Allen on again. She was on my one last year. If he had any projects lined up for 2025. Five Nights at Freddy's 2. Maybe, because then, maybe. How would you feel about us,

you know when content creators do, they interview people on the. Depends who, yes, 100%. I'm not sitting there talking to some bunch of nobodies, but if it's literally Josh Hutcherson. I mean, they're talking to us, so. No, but I'm not talking to someone I... I'm not interviewing someone that I don't care about.

But 100% If it's like... Josh Hutchinson. I'd love to find something with him. Maybe we should... oh no. I don't know. I'm just thinking very practically about the things that we can and can't I'm not always like, who can I email this year?

That's at the forefront of my mind. We've got a bit closer to Will Porter. Oh we really just... Was that ripped away from us though? Yes but it was ships in the night. It was so close. I don't think that was dead. No I don't either. I think it's very much alive. I think it's very much alive. I watched that last night. I watched Harry Porter last night. Which one? Half Blood. Oh nice. I watched Chamber of Secrets. Which one did you watch? Chamber of Secrets. Yeah. Nice. It was great. Very much alive. I watched Deathly Hallows part 2 on Christmas. Lovely Christmas day. Yeah Christmas day and then the Gavin and Stacey thing.

Oh my god, you know what one thing I did do for 2024 which you can't have access to. People have asked not to brag. The people who are asking... I'm not giving out my letterbox to count but I did keep up with letterbox perfectly this year. That's crazy. It feels really good. I know some people that keep up with letterbox like... yeah. Properly writing reviews and stuff on there. I'm not writing anything. that's why it's like that guys there's no point looking around on what I've been watching it's all load of shit. I don't really get it. I had it for a bit and... I love just looking at what people say. I love watching a film, putting it on my letterbox, being able to refer back to what day I

watched something, what I specifically liked and I love watching something and then looking through the reviews on Letterboxd because they're funny. Yeah I get that. It's fun and I did it very neatly this year like I did every single film and I just kind of thought wow you've really taken that to a degree that you didn't need to but I have enjoyed it and I'm going to continue doing it. Maybe I'll get on the letterbox hype. This episode is brought to you by Google Pixel. I'm Jessi Krigsjank. I host the number one comedy podcast called Phone a Friend. I also have three kids. I need help making every day easier. So I switched to Google Pixel. It's a phone powered by Gemini, your personal

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Nosferatu. Yeah, I'm seeing it on the day. That's fun. That's really fun. Which I think I've done a bit of a tradition the past few years of a New Year's Day film. Because it comes out in the woods on New Year's Day. I'm going to go see a Swindon town match on New Year's Day. That's fun. Yeah quite fun. God, Mary Swindon. I hope they win. And I got, I think I have it right here, Stella and Alice got me a picture house membership for my birthday. Really fun. Look at this. That's cute. Very good.

Can I say, I thought this was funny because in, at uni there was a joke about the unlimited cinema cards. Do you want to go with that? that i should get one? yeah that you should get one but you were like it's too embarrassing. because they wanted to get me a cineworld one and i was like please do not get me that. you know that odion is still shut? no way. in bryton. yeah apparently it's not open until april. wait what's going on? asbestos. did i not tell you this? something's happened to it. does anyone have the inside scoop? i'm sorry i didn't give you my letterbox to count You didn't really want it, but now can you do me a favor and tell me what's going on with the prisms did open?

No, there's a club above it could or below it could pric could prison. Yeah, they share the same building But I think it's all got I think it's all something's happening I think it was supposed to be like it was getting painted or something and then it was closed It was pushed back and pushed back and now it's only showing stuff on April but I don't know. this was my suspicion though but I have to tell you it's really changed the quality of life that I have here. what the fuck. I know. it's really gutting. because otherwise you're gonna have to go to the marina. well I go to the cineworld there. yeah the cineworld which I haven't been to in years but the

commedia is obviously the one of choice but it's comedian is obviously the but it's a different one of choice It's a different experience. I wanted like a shitty cinema. Yeah, you can't see like gladiator I saw gladiator in a picture house in cinema city in Norwich and I thought this isn't right really This is not right. This is an odian. It wasn't much you kind of film Blockbuster cannot be seen in a picture house, I don't think. I agree with you. It's for a summer smash you need to see in a- Yeah, I'm not seeing fucking Hunger Games in a fucking picture house. No. Book 2025. I'm excited for that. I saw a thing that apparently she said that the

new Hunger Games is the bridge between it like completes the story or something. She said like it ties together a ballad of some birds and snakes versus a hunger game but it really is the glue I know which I thought sounded quite fun. Because they do need some gluing. And I think they're getting glued this year, March. Because it's like why are we talking about the fucking plinth prize when I want to be in a game. Plinth prize, I know what that is.

Anything else we're adding for 2025? Oh there's so much. I want to continue my running I've been running like a motherfucker. Honestly I'm running like a motherfucker. I am running my legs off. That's good. And I'm loving it. Good. Like I really like I don't really know why but all of a sudden I'm loving it. I would love that to continue but it's very easy to run here because there's nothing to do. Yeah that's really nice. But like when I'm back here doing things. did you run on christmas day? i ran on christmas day, ran on my birthday. wow. i'm running around. that's really nice. yeah i saw some runners on christmas

day and i thought about you. whenever i see anyone run i think of you. we also swam on christmas day. did you? well my mum did. i didn't go and it was too cold it was like 9 a.m at the fucking river freezing. i didn't swim but i did go to the beach. yeah that's stunning. which was really nice but i just looked at the sea instead of getting in it. yeah that's what i did i looked at the muddy river and thought no. lovely body of water. it's probably freezing. it was such a horrible it's like a green body of water. one thing i would like to leave a little bit. yeah. i think would, I've literally got one with me right now, I've just got like a takeaway coffee. I would like to buy less coffee out. I think, unless I'm sitting down in a cafe, I don't think there's a reason for me to be buying coffee out. Is this you talking or is it the old lady who stopped you in the street? She's gone

in deep a little bit. I think it's being back in a small town makes you realise the lavishness of it. It is a waste of money I guess. It's a complete waste of money and it is a massive waste of plastic but that's kind of not what I'm doing it for. Like I genuinely- So what are you doing it for then? Money. I think money and also just like I don't need to, I have a cafetiere at home. I can be doing this at home. I don't need to I have a cafeteria at home. Yeah, I can be doing this at home Yeah, I don't need to do that like it's like three quid for a coffee out every day It's adding up. I might say that I want to do more coffees out in 2025 Oh no! So what you leave behind I'll pick up the leftovers that you don't get. It's fair enough

Unless you're sitting but like I think sitting down is a different story. sitting in a cafe is completely different. and I agree with you I think the the plastic issue is not great is it with an iced coffee is not very good. but and just like the consumerism of it all just like now I have this fucking money that I have to spend every day just to feel good. just to feel alive in this world. so do you. I need to spend three quid every time I leave the fucking house now. Boy do I, at minimum. That's pathetic. I don't want that. I can literally just make one and take it with me on my walk.

I don't need to walk to a place and get that. I don't want to do that. Me neither. Me neither. But I'm going to. Well I'm going to try and do it less. 2026 we can chat about it but 2025 all the coffees you don't buy will be bought by me. I'm going to get two every time I go out. no point me doing it then. i'm gonna have my iced latte and i'll get an iced

americano in honor of my friend sefi. every time? that one's for sefi. yeah. well i just think i've got to the point now genuinely i get one every single day. yeah i'm not doing that so that is fair enough well I genuinely get a coffee every day it's sitting in a cafe or walking with a coffee I get one every single day that is bad I'm not mad what's three pound fifty times seven yeah well look the financial time seven that's twenty four pounds a week sephi this is painful don't do that. okay and sometimes they get two so let's times it by two. 49 pounds a week. well sephi please. that's actually not what i get though that's just like fake numbers. that's a lot yeah. i don't get to a day. you need to crunch those numbers. i have to say i never felt better than when i was going for a walk every morning along the beach and getting a coffee. couldn't agree more. it made me feel amazing. I need to sacrifice my happiness though.

it's a price to pay. I can't sacrifice that. I'll sacrifice my money. no no you can't. you can't. I can't handle that. please don't. I can't. I'm hoping. I'm on a waiting list for NHS therapy again. oh my god nice. yeah but I have been for ages but I'm hoping that that comes through ideally earlier in the year. So if I start acting a bit crazy, start seeming really happy, then that's why. Oh my god, that's so exciting! I wish I was on the waiting list. Yeah, should everyone take five minutes to just put themselves on the waiting list. That's really nice. Yeah, it just has to be done. New year as well, like... I can't deal with this anymore.

Well, I did it months ago ago but i'm hoping like yeah come on guys i was even thinking of ringing them and being like please. they did a thing to me once where they were like because the waiting list is so long you can go on this thing is like a spin-off essentially of the NHS. is it called? it's like a spin-off show. i bet it's different for every place actually so i went to every place actually. i don't know maybe not but it was like this sort of online platform and god it was the best one i've ever had. what was it? because i was a bit like oh is it just like the shit version of the nhs therapy but they are all nhs therapists and they were really it was really great. oh interesting

so you actually got therapy through that platform. yeah it was the 11 sessions or whatever. yeah. literally it just had a forum, not a forum, a website. whatever it's called. nice. yeah. okay well more therapy. they might do that. more good therapy i would say. yeah. i wish i had my vision board to my disposal because then i could really just tell you guys what's on there. speaking of vision I need to get my eyes tested 2025. you're joking me worse? they've got worse? no I just need a checkup. oh thank god. I mean they probably have got worse but... guys if you've looked through wings glasses which you haven't but take my word for it because I have. blind as a bat. in one eye. My other eye is not that bad but my right eye is pretty bad. Which is funny because I feel like this is a classic thing that kids do but when I first was getting glasses

I only went to the opticians because I was lying about getting headaches during that. Yeah, that's what I just did at my last eye test a few weeks a few months ago. Coincidentally every maths lesson I would get a headache and have to be sent out and go to the nurse and then they were like oh why don't you go to the opticians blah blah blah all because I wanted to get out of maths hee hee and no one picked up on that pattern hee hee um which then did later inform my bad eyesight and the fact that I don't know my times tables. Yeah me neither. So but I've got no excuse I've got 20 vision. I don't know my times tables and I need Yeah, I just want to be like able to say able to see I'm looking after myself

That's too much. That sounds really nice. It's honestly like Get a grip ring the opticians so bad No, wrong with me. I need to go and, they gave me a prescription because I pretty much begged them. They were like, you don't need them. And I was like, please, please, please, I'll do anything. And she said, we'll give you the lowest prescription possible for reading only. That is really weird of you. And I remember I really want them.

But obviously not that much because you haven't cashed in your prescription. Yeah, I know. I need to go and do that. But I want ones that i don't want cheap cheap but i can't afford not cheap cheap at the moment. well maybe if you stop buying coffees. i want some nice ones. okay oh i like this. okay so yeah we asked for ins and outs. how does everyone feel about the ins and outs format? i feel like people like it when they agree with the ins and outs and they dislike it when they don't like what the person has said for the ins and outs. I think I'd be scared if someone that I quite admired said... Put something on and out that you liked. Do you know what I did love actually once? Flex. Queen. Flex Mommy.

Queen. Like actual Queen. She once said, this was like a few years ago but it just really stuck with me, not that I identify as this thing but I think it's just like we all have a hatred of this thing, she said that Al's is hating slow walkers and I thought so god damn true like what is this? Yeah I saw her thing the other day and it was like do you hate to be stuck behind a street? So So do I, but it was like, I will never hate tourists. Like, what do you mean you paid all this money to walk the same streets I walk every day?

It's like, yeah, it's really nice. It's pathetic. It's really trying to make people feel important. Well. No, no, 100%. As soon as someone's walking slowly, it's like, get out of my way. Get out of my way.

You know what, the one thing I will say is I love you know if you're admiring the view that's one thing but if you lack consideration for the people around you and you don't have spatial awareness and like... But is that us rushing through? Like I don't have spatial awareness of... That's the thing I think there's a difference you know. Yeah like but there's nothing that winds me up more than walking through specifically Covent Garden we used to have to walk through a lot and Fucking how the slow walkers around there. It's like there's nobody in this place got anywhere to fucking be but they are tourists Yeah, they don't they are exactly where they need to be

But unfortunately, we are there is just looking at the shop windows But for some reason that I'm just literally my blood is boiling walking through those streets Okay, so this person said in just was interesting That in is listen to one new album every day a day Yeah, but then in brackets they put forced downtime. That's on time. That's uptime Okay, but just switch it out for something else like the album every day is specific to them but the concept of force downtime yeah I like I like I mean I like the new album every day thing but I love I couldn't do an album every day though

no I couldn't do an album every day that's a week I take it too serious surprise surprise and suddenly I have to have thoughts on the album you know what I mean but force downtime I think is important. Like this is actually, you've really, you know what, you've really done something here, Parry, because I do want to get better at like, almost like ritualizing or like scheduling in fun things or like non-negotiable things. Like even we've been saying, we don't have a day to record. In fact, we've never had a day to record. We just record-

Like is it a scheduled day? When we record, there's no like, oh, we record every Tuesday. That's never been a thing. Maybe for like two weeks in a row max, it's never been a thing. And it is something that the back of my mind is fighting for that we have like a day.

And then like, it's a non-negotiable that once a week I do this, this and this. That's really important because the fun things are the first thing to go in terms of like, when you start getting busy and like living your life. The things that I'm like, oh yeah, I don't need to do that. It's like all the stuff that is like, oh, I need to ring the opticians, for example. And all the fun things that I actually want to do the people I want to

see in my life do you know I mean yeah those are the things that I'm personally not that good at some people are so good at just like every Monday they do this every they they make an effort I want to make an effort yeah I would love to have things like that I think it would be good to be like, forced downtime. going to the cinema more. Like that is my ultimate, I wouldn't even call it downtime, but like literally like nourishing time. Like that genuinely, I have never once come out

of that fucking dark, dingy, stinky, fucking sticky room. Feeling worse. Every single time i feel like i've literally just been enriched to church i don't want to bring up god a lot in this but like no it is it is appeal to the local audience it's such a thing i also think it's not even about yeah i agree with you that it's not even necessarily it's just like selfish time and i think that is something that we need to force forced downtime forced selfish time it's non-negotiable it's not up for debate it's not like oh i can lose it this year no no no no no make an effort and also those the things like so much of our lives are like constructed around these like passive things it's

like just things that we do anyway, or like social media that really is not nourishing or, it's kind of very neutral as an experience. Like so much of commuting is very neutral as an experience. All of these things are kind of just very like, neutral. Essentially, they don't sort of bring up big emotions. I feel like scheduling in time to like, actually feel big things, good things

like for example go around a gallery. they're basically consuming like arts basically without sounding like too much of a fucking absolute wanker but like going to the cinema, reading a book, listening to an album, these things that actually bring up like a creative like feeling in you. That kind of is the feeling of being alive that we just miss so much, which is why I feel like listening to an album is such a specific... I don't know, the feeling you're trying to get from that is not necessarily like downtime, I feel. That's very on and creative and kind of like big human feelings I think. I also think there is something about like proactively creating more than you are consuming. Like I feel like when that balance is off and especially if all you're consuming is

yeah like social media and you haven't got anything out of your system or like felt something come out of you. Felt any emotion, felt moved to do something. Yeah I really like that. I definitely want to listen to more albums like all the way through. My dad started a thing when he was I don't know I was like a teenager like early maybe like 10 or something actually I don't know he had a thing early maybe like 10 or something actually I don't know he had a thing called No Shuffle Day yeah um which he tried to make a thing like he printed off like stickers and stuff No Shuffle Day it was when like everyone had iPods like not yeah and like people would like just press shuffle I guess and he was like trying to campaign for people to listen to albums the whole way through yeah that's definitely my primary listening experience.

is listening to an album. i mean if it's a new album i'm not picking from fucking number 10 and starting the year again. no no no no no. but i don't listen. it's a dying art importantly. when i do listen to an album the whole way through i agree with no shuffle day. i'm like yeah you're onto something here. me too. i think it is the way. But sometimes I don't wanna listen to weird intros and interludes and shit. Oh, I do, I do. Sometimes I don't. I really, if we could do interludes and intros

for Sefi and Whit, if it goes out saying I would die. Yeah, I do get it. I love it, something really moody and weird. It's like, wow, yeah, love that. But that's not an everyday thing. Sometimes it's like, look, I just wanna hear the hit. Yeah, it goes out saying. This This person said in with enjoyment and purpose I'm not here to be perfect I'm here to enjoy and help others which I like. Love. Love. Love. Yeah. Yeah. I couldn't agree

more. Not here to be perfect is a really important. Does anyone remember I come to this day with nothing to prove I was thinking about the other day of just what happened to that? Let that go out the window. Every day I'm like something to prove, something to prove. So much to prove. So much to prove. It's painful. I like the focus on enjoyment in that. Like that is so crucial slash like the meaning of life surely. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. let's bring that. big year of enjoyment what was the thing that i thought i want my year to be because a few years ago i was like this is gonna be my year of fun does anyone remember that? i do remember that. and i had so much fun that year like that was like just crazy that year like never done more like different things in a year. last year

was a bit of a flop for me, and then I was thinking, right, this year, what do I want that to be? And I think I thought of like, what was the word? I think the word was freedom. That's nice. That I was thinking of,

I really feel like I've got my own space, and I can really make my own decisions. And I have a lot less responsibilities this year and I was like oh okay I really think freedom is kind of like a big theme of what I want this year to be. That's really nice. Also freedom is such a thing that like we have spoken about. I feel it's something we really prioritise in quite a deep way and like feeling kind of autonomous and like independent and in control and all of these things is like as

in like in control of our own lives and our time is massive. Yeah. Do I love that for 2025? Very nice. I don't know if that's going to be my year of freedom but like I was just like that actually feels like I've got that in a way that maybe last year the last few years really I haven't had that. Yeah. Like I've got space and I've got uh like my uh like I don't have to be doing I don't know because I'm also so much more free than so I don't know it's really tricky

like but that is I don't have a lot of, like, domestic responsibilities and, like, caring responsibilities this year. Yeah. Very good. That's a very, um, fun word, obviously. Not as fun as fun. The previous word, but a really good one. I would love to come up with a word. I kind of want to hear everyone's word for 2025. Oh my god please. yeah maybe comment your word for 2025. I'm looking for a word- oh my god I'm gonna just steal them all though. yeah no. I'm looking for a word that's like what would give the vibe of just like yes like caring for yourself sort of thing. yeah and like liking yourself like kind of confidence but more interestingly Yeah, I wouldn't mind a bit of a confident year as well That sounds really nice. But what's kind of like a

Like acceptance. It's kind of Rihanna unapologetic vibes. Oh, okay. Yeah, I like that. Yeah, do you know what I mean? There's something there in that realm, okay. Yeah, I'm liking that. So everybody let us know your words. yeah. I kind of need to get on thesaurus.com. I wouldn't mind that as well because freedom I'm not like attached to. I think it's kind of perverted though. because I also think fun is a big thing. but freedom is fun. exactly. like I don't want freedom. freedom is a boring path to the fun yeah I think freedom is more than fun because it has fun in it yeah anyway let us know your words for 2025 your hopes and dreams mmm and we'll see you there yeah

see you there see you in oh my god the next episode will be in 2025 yeah crazy and it's gonna be big and we are yeah coming in with a series another series we just finished I love how we do one episode in between series we've just had a 25 day series with this is the not series this one and next episode you listen to will be a series I'm excited for that I'm excited for a new year and thank you so much for everyone being here in 2024 it's been it's crazy yeah thank you for being here and if you don't hear from us, if you don't hear from us, feels I'm here to tell you about the new Google

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