Goes Without Saying - off the record: life-changing advice, burnout, & bucket lists

Episode Date: October 21, 2024

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Yeah, so God, right, we're in a car park. We've had a few, we've checked out a few spaces and we've settled on this. We're facing the road. We're in the shade right now. Looking at like the motorway. Okay, the energy already feels better. Yeah, so god right, we're in a car park. We've checked out a few spaces and we've settled on this. We're facing the road. We're in the shade though, girl. We're looking at the motorway almost, dual carriageway.

So, we're in a car together using one mic and I hate to tell you, it's my mic which is the quiet mic. So we might be sort of shouting. We'll be turning it up. Yeah, we'll be turning it up as you know and we'll also be projecting. Yes, projecting our voices. We are also filming this so hopefully this goes on our YouTube. 100% yeah and we've also been filming the last few days so the whole thing will be going on

YouTube if you're curious as to like what could have possibly been up to to make us feel so like insane. We're a bit erratic. For sure. And a bit off. There's a bit of a weirdness so but only because we're so tired yeah we're really tired which is fine also so just to talk you through our movements yeah we're in Norwich right now yeah wing stayed with me last night and we also went to Tully's recently and we're still sort of lingering off the energy of that. like i still feel quite hung over from that experience. being in tully's farm and then looking over and you're with joe sugg it's not right. in a horror maze like you're screaming and you're looking at the person that's also screaming and

it's joe sugg. it's it's we shouldn't have access to that like i shouldn't have access to like what mark ferris looks like in the flesh. it's not getting sort of grabbed by a nun. he looks great. he looks amazing but it's just I shouldn't be I shouldn't be a part of this. it's amazing. it's too much. yeah. in the best way. and then we went to a talk last night at my uni. it was so good. and it was really good. it was amazing. go on, do the little... Well it was just... So UEA does, like different writers come and talk and they get the creme de la creme and we really saw the creme de la creme last night. It was the author of Yellowface and her name is RF Kwang or RF Kwong, I'm not sure, or RF Kwong, I'm not sure, and she was a star. Like it was so fucking good. So eloquent, like literally we were like two sentences in and I turned to Sefi like okay she's a

genius, she's a talker alright. She really knows how to put a sentence together. Like it was so so amazing. Every word was perfect. Yeah. And we went with some people from my course which was really nice, like ten of us. I unlocked so many new characters last night I collected them all like little Pokemon like Horcruxes I was collecting them. No wonder we feel knackered. Yeah and then we went to Pizza Express with some of them which was really nice and it's just really nice to have Wing here we just went for lunch in Norwich Cafe 33 for all the people that recommended that to me. I'm seeing a lot of messages about it.

People, they know it. People, honestly, I've been shocked how many people. No Norwich. No Norwich and have like. Well, earlier we walked past, God I'm really like, okay you watched YouTube in 2012, we get it. Earlier we walked past Jareld's and I was like, Jareld's, why do I own Jareld's? And I was like, is that Tanya Burr putting Jarreld's

in my head when I was a child and I didn't even notice. Because she's from Norwich. How would I ever know that I've taken that in? Jarreld's, if you're curious, it's like a shop. It's like a department store. Oh my God, so weird. I didn't even know that my brain had that somewhere. And Molly, who is also one of our new managers,

she is from Norwich and she showed me around when I first got here and she was like that's Gerald's you might know that from Tanya Bell. She went to one of her book signings there, back in the day. That's crazy. Yeah but basically we're in, the energy is all over the place. It's been a crazy week, just for context it's the 17th of October today is that correct? Yeah it is. We've just we've had a heavy few days but also what's been the best way? they've been the most amazing few days yeah but i genuinely feel emotionally hungover. yeah and unfortunately for sephia's i'm still here so we're almost like

and also you've got work to do. okay this is actually yeah yeah we actually both have shit to do. like this doesn't really count but the minute we part, we're both gonna be picking up some real stuff. The time we lost from doing this. Also, a few days ago before I saw you, before we had these days scheduled, I was like, I am working overtime now to make time for the fun. That you've budgeted in. I've budgeted in a few days of fun and now that's run out I'm almost like how am I still behind? I know, I know. Really stressful. But yeah literally the moment we part you open that laptop and I open my laptop and we go. And it's game time. Yeah. Which is really fun.

It's actually the- It's really fun. And also this is so nice. This is so fun. It's just almost like I wish I didn't feel so mad. I think we feel quite shaken up. I also just had a really just a tiny moment Which is so bonkers. We would just set this whole thing up like we'd set up the camera that everything in my car fresh tea, we just made cups of tea and Obviously like if you've listened to a few episodes since I've been in Norwich, which I've literally been here three weeks So Jesus Christ, so much has happened I really really really don't like my house that I'm living in and I'm moving I have found somewhere else which I'm so fucking glad about and I cannot wait but there's just a lot of it's just

weird you know and it's intense it is and just as we had like set up everything kind of in my driveway the landlord arrives arrives, a plumber arrives, it's just like yeah it's just not a recordable situation. we're suddenly like zoo animals. suddenly it's like okay I don't know just sort of tip me over the edge a little bit in the way it's like I just want to feel comfortable. you almost needed to break, you almost needed to get a tear out. to cry but even though it was nothing. well it's also it's period times and full moon times. have you, have you come on your period yet? No. I came on mine yesterday, three days early.

Hmm, mine's like- It's imminent. Really imminent. I think that's the energy that we're giving. Really hormonal. Really horrible energy. Really, really. Just like, sorry, you might not wanna be around us guys.

It's not nice, is it? No, no. You know when I hate that feeling when you know you're not on good form and you're around people and it's kind of like I should actually do everyone a favour and just go. But you know what's bad? We usually, we're famous between ourselves for having the yin and the yang energy of one of us is up and the other is down. We're always a balance. Right now we're both really like, eh! I feel like we're kind of, what are those things called that you put in like a Coke and shake it up and it pops like mentos? Yeah, I feel like we're like mentos that have been shaken up in a bottle of Coke or something.

Yeah, we really are. Like I really feel like, in a blend of. I think I could do with crying. I think you could, when we were driving here I thought. I thought I was going to, but then I just thought, I just don't even Like I'm so all that happened is my landlord arrived. It's not really anything I just think it's the symbol of how uncomfortable I feel in this house and How much I want to move and how tired you are?

Yeah, I don't know it was just like oh just fuck off It was just a big moment where it was just like And I pulled out my tea onto the ground and I was like we're going like cut the cameras let's just go yeah because i just didn't want to be filmed in that moment i just which is fair enough just like turn this off i really want to be filmed on the best of times i don't know why so now i've brought us to asda car park which i'm really happy about me too but it is just a bit like i'm so sorry that i'm showing you in norwich's Astragalp. Perfect. Oh god. So we're gonna do just a general off the record and catch up. Yeah we've got some questions. Some lovely questions. Thank you so much to everyone on our Instagram. Get off my screen. There's just a little something popping up here. That was just, I'm sorry. On Sappy's phone that we just have to not look at right now.

Oh, I'm not even on the right account. Oh no I am. That was really funny. It's like the real jumpscare. It's like, oh, God, I'm going away. They're everywhere, these people. Um, okay, so we've got some questions. Also, do you catch, we're vlogging this.

I don't know if I've said that you can watch this on our YouTube. You can see that I've got our old merch on my phone. We've done a few tries of this, so I don't know what we've said and what now. the last one was so bad. try and keep up guys. try and keep up. sorry quick mint. I know that's not nice. it's not really the etiquette of a podcast but I'm gonna do it. oh my god I want to talk about this one. I saw this the other day. do you want a mint? no because I'll be tall. oh yeah go on. I quite like these ones you've got. so do I. you know where they where they're from where i actually had a weird moment where right i went to primark to buy some ties quickly and then i was queuing behind this girl she was

looking quite stunning and we were just queuing queuing queuing and then she just reached over and grabbed one of these mints from the big thing of mints and they were like 50p or something and it was a bit weird me i just kind of watched her do it and we kind of caught eyes as she did it and then I reached my arm out and did the same thing and took a bag of mints. and then I've been really happy that I got them. my mints that I haven't really got. we're quite into mints at the moment aren't we? yeah. it's sort of a weird thing. I got these ones with you in Whole Foods that are in a paper thing and they spilled all over my bag and crushed up.

They were crushed in the bottom of my bag. They were hideous. Lovely. But I've just re-bought them because I did actually re-light them. That's good. But, okay, so. Okay, yeah, you wanted to do this question. This one.

I just would really wonder what you would say because I think I know mine. Okay. And I would wonder if you would guess it for me as well. Okay. So which character from New Girl do you most identify with? well you're obviously jess. oh my god no. you've literally spent your whole life telling me that you're jess. no i am jess but i don't identify as jess. i am obviously jess. just the most jess thing you've ever said. no i am jess but i don't identify as jess. okay jess. who's that girl?

it's jess. no i am jess in every way and also I think I feel like I'm Jess in the way that I was told before I'd ever seen New Girl. My first introduction was there's this show on E4 that's out and it's you. Just for context at Zoe Deschanel, if you like are kind of thinking New Girl hmm is that somewhere in my brain, somewhere in the repertoire, somewhere in the archives of my mind is Zoe Deschanel. But when I was literally a young teenager someone said to me you are this cat this is a show and it's about you but I'm but I love it so I've surpassed that like obviously on the surface level I'm Jess but who let's do you first. Winston you're saying. Yeah I'm Winston. Yeah you are. I'm so Winston. But you are Jess. Why are you Winston? I'm obviously Jess yeah but then if you actually like ignore the fact I'm obviously Jess. because he gets a cat? no I think so much of what Winston says I'm thinking. okay. Jess is also a teacher and it just she's too cheerful to be me in a way. you're so cheerful. no I'm not. I'm so miserable. you are a bit but like you're really bubbly

you're like bubbly miserable. yeah. do you know what I mean? Yeah. Like people would describe you as bubbly. No one's ever in my life been like oh you're so bubbly. Whereas you are bubbly. I think you're bubbly. Shut the fuck up. Do you know what you are? Nice. I am nice. Which is Jess. I'm not Jess though am I? No because you're not weird. I'm not really any of them I don't think. You're gonna roast me now and say someone just awful I know it. You're gonna absolutely rinse me here. Wait why? You're just gonna say the most awful character and be like you're obviously them. Who am I then? Go on. Go on. Spit it out. Yeah I can see it on the tongue. So go on, say it. Are you not going to like this if I say Cece? It's alright. She's literally like beautiful...

That's nice. ...model friend. Perfect. But we also do say that her character is not fully developed. Unfortunately, it does feel underdeveloped, which I guess I am. You're not. Well... Cece is...

I haven't hit my stride yet. No, no, me neither. I'm definitely still working out what this character is. I haven't found my feet really. um.. with the character that i am. which i'll.. yeah i'll take cc whatever but it means nothing to me. like what the fuck does that even mean? yeah exactly. well yeah. i am a bit like.. she has a grouchiness which i think i can have. i'm coming off like a misery guts in this. there's an edge. but you're not a misery guts. but i'm not a misery guts really. if you meet me i'm like really actually quite nice and pleasant. oh my gosh you're way nicer than me. do you think? yeah i think you're.. no i'm not. i think you're um.. oh i don't know. we have to be straight. yeah no we do. and also yeah i don't know. we're just completely weird. oh i just spat at her i'm sorry that was horrible. i'm really straight. okay so somehow we managed to make that question

quite horrible. I mean, I'll take CC. People have told us Jess and CC before. Yeah. They've sent that message. I really like that. Alright, cool. For you I'll do it. For you I'll be anything. Thank you. I'll be your CC if you want.

I would do anything for you, dear anything. And if that isn't the most Winston thing you've ever heard. Oh yeah, so this is just a classic... Winston and CC mess around! Mess around. That's what we're doing! alright fine I can do that that's nice. I get what you mean though, I'm obviously dress but if you look beyond I'm Winston. if you look beyond. if you look beyond what I look like, not to call myself stunning Desiree Deschanel, I'm obviously Winston. oh right I thought you were saying you look like

Winston I was like, again more dress, like this is so dress of you to say. Yeah, okay. So everyone just quickly Google, if you're not familiar, Winston new girl. And that will just say a lot about me. That's my personality, I think. Yeah, but what is that personality? Winston. He's a bit silly guy. Yeah. He's silly and he's... He's a cop. He's cutesy. Yeah, he then does become a policeman, which is a bit, you know. You know. That's not so much me. Okay. Are any of these getting you? You can take us wherever if you wouldn't mind, but do you mind? I don't mind at all. Okay. I'm liking this more. Yeah, me too. Okay, that's funny. Yeah. So I'm with Schmidt. You do have a moment with Coach though. Whoa, and that's a great moment for me. Yeah, yeah. for a moment there I was really living it. I'm with Ali. I'm still thinking of you as Jess. yeah okay I'm obviously yeah I'm like I'm happy to take it. there aren't that many

characters in new girl it's really tight. it's so tight. mmm. Brenda Song is quite cool. yeah. you don't want to be Megan Fox. but she's chasing on him. no you don't want to be Megan Fox, unfortunately. But she's chasing on him. No, you don't want to be Megan Fox in that. What's her name? Um... It's like Reagan or something. Reagan. Reagan. Yeah, it's Reagan. That's a terrible bit of New Girl. When Jess is gone.

It's an awkward... When Zoey Deschanel is pregnant and they're like, Let's just bring in a new girl. Let's bring in Megan Fox. I know. That's not what New Girl means. And also in a relationship with Nick It's actually painful. Excuse me. It's painful It's so the risk of that is continuing your show without your star is dangerous in both ways

Because you're either highlighting that we need her and it doesn't work without her So it doesn't work or if it does work without her you've just highlighted that the show works without your star Which poses big questions. I don't think it does work without Jeff. It actually doesn't know it doesn't you know what it is It's the office when Steve Carell leaves And it does work like it doesn't work for so long with it But they do find their feet with it so much so that wet by the time of Dwight's wedding In that last bit when the camera spins around, Michael's there, that's what she said in that moment, that's what she said. It brings it all

back, you're like oh my god he's here and it just all pays off so much I think. I really think having those like two or three seasons without him is so worth it for that exact moment, but they obviously take so long to find their feet with her. It's fucking crazy what they do for a while there with Robert California. You know our thoughts. He's kind of my king. He's disgusting.

I hate him. Yeah, he is, he's grim. I hate what they do there. Is that you kind of replacing with that? You kind of, just to bring it back to Sefi's living situation, he would kind of be living in Sefi's house right now, Robert California.

That's the equivalent. Everything that she's living with right now is Robert California adjacent. I love that we're speaking purely in like sitcom. Yeah, this is like a sitcom episode. It's really weird. Well, who would you see yourself as in friends? Friends.

Yeah, this is also really sad of me. When I first moved into this house, I spoke to Alice and she was like, what are you watching at the moment? I was like, I'm watching a lot of friends, which is weird. And she was like, that's the saddest thing I've ever heard heard like a load of people living in a house having a great time and it's like It's really telling but I just moved into this house. I'm really uncomfortable Craving some friends and it's like you're watching they all live together

When we were talking about the people that would be moving in with sephie we were like, oh my god You're Jess like there was a point where it was cuz I'm the only girl and it was she was the only girl and I was like god hot commodity yeah but I don't want to be well no definitely not unfortunately you are but it's not good yeah I don't want to be the only girl to the point where can I say not too much okay no we've said a fucking fair bit already okay well let's say basically I did a poem no no let's stop okay did you know that I was gonna say that no but let's not yeah okay Okay. Did you know that I was gonna say that? No, but let's not. Okay, like when I'm, you know, at another point. Yeah, definitely.

Bucket list item. Oh Jesus guys. I barely know how I'm getting through the day today and it's what time is it? It's half one. Bucket list items. Like is there anything you would be like I do actually want to do that before I die bill at this moment Quite empty like I'm just gonna say generic stuff. Is there anything that you can think of right now? There is one thing that I Really am surprised that I haven't done in my life so far. I really really really want to go to New York Yeah, I know a hundred percent. I would love to myself on that trip with you. I would literally love to I cannot really believe I haven't been there so much because I watch a lot of TV, I watch a lot of films. I almost feel like I could find my way around. I mean actually you probably couldn't. No I can't find my way around my

hometown. If you had a general sense of direction, which neither of us really have, you could definitely. Yeah. I literally walk out of my house every day and be like left or right If you had a general sense of direction, which neither of us really have, you could definitely yeah. I literally walk out of my house every day and be like, right, left or right to go to school. You know what the fun thing is? I love playing the Spiderman games on PlayStation. That's fun.

Because they're obviously set in New York and a lot of it is really true to the city. So you can kind of walk down the street and be like, I've been down here and then you go left and it's there. That is go left and it's really quite cool. You can see a lot of it is really reflective of, obviously it's massively condensed and it's a game. And there's Spiderman. I'm running around as Spiderman. You're like where's MJ? I'm literally swinging from brick to brick to brick.

What's her name? MJ? And what's the other one called? Gwen. Gwen, MJ, and what's the one? There's one. What's Kirsten Dancer's the other one called Gwen Gwen MJ and what's the one there's one What's Kirsten Dancer's one called is it like oh she's MJ as well. Yeah, she's MJ. Yeah, who the fuck's Lois? Don't know isn't that Superman? Yeah, it must be who the fuck is that I'm like why is someone called Lois? GF or something. Yeah, I think it's like who the fuck is Lois. Yeah, Spider-Man's a bit weird I think something happened with like Gwen. The comics and then Sony and the Gwen that Emma Stone was Gwen. Yeah, she was Gwen. I know that. Yeah. And MJ. Yeah. She was a great Gwen and her and

Andrew Garfield are a real treat for the eyes. Did you see him crying the other day? Reading that thing. Yeah. The love letter or whatever it was. did you see that he apparently... I didn't know that he was in a relationship. is he now? well he was and then chicken shop date was filmed. no! and now he's broken up. he's single now but it's a bit intriguing and then chicken shop date Amelia said that she had a kiss with someone recently. oh my god! so maybe. oh my god. I don't know, people are talking but I don't know what I'm saying here. But it's intriguing, hey? So that's absolutely fascinating because

I mean there was obviously crazy chemistry between them. He just knows what he's doing. I think there's a hell of a lot of an overlap between Florence Pugh and Emma Stone and I think Amelia also fits it within that bracket of like Quirky, she's manic pic. They're all manic pixie dream girl vibes. I Almost think they're the kind of women Who have a great personality that men almost take it as an achievement that they would find them attractive sort of thing you know like that almost men want to be rewarded for looking at them as And I've almost like it's um it's a tick it's a green flag it's like oh you fancy Emma Stone

that's a green flag you value perfect no she is but it's like you value personality as well that's something that you're not intimidated by you value success in a woman and you're not turned off by it which obviously is literally the bare minimum but I mean that's not what's happening. No, it's not the standard. It's why people, why, I don't know, Robert Pattinson breaks up with FKA twigs and start has a baby with Sukey Waterhouse. Well, there's a lot, there's a lot going on there.

There's a lot to unpack there. There really is. But it's like, you might be in, I mean, to me, that's a clear, there's a lot of, you would be intimidated by FKA twigs and Su you keep all house is just I'll say no more Yeah, you will say no more. I'm very hot. It's fucking boiling. Should we open a window, but it's gonna be really loud No, it's way too loud. Let's have a blast. Yeah I'm having a blast. This is just us getting some air. Just are you having a blast? I'm having a blast. Whilst I find the next question. This okay. Well Well did you not have a thing? What was? A bucket list item. Oh shoot.

Okay the blast is over. Okay. Bucket list item. Okay so I would obviously love to have a baby but not right now. Yeah that's also very true. That I think is like the you know probably the biggest thing ever. Yeah. But I don't really feel like getting into that right now. No. Also that's like too big. That's like sort of life, does it count as bucket list? I have something really silly and I've said this to you before but the tube station that I would always get on it, or like my childhood tube station was Blackhorse Road and I always say that me and Safie should get a billboard on the tube platforms and I would love to get one at Blackhorse Road station. It would be everything. That is like a big thing.

Big thing like it's obviously mental and it would be insane but like that's like that feels like a nice thing to answer when someone says bucket list thing. Oh okay yeah perfect. A billboard at this place. Which is die of course. Obviously it's not like we're miles away from buck and from billboard but if we really got on frayer and was like please like let's find some people like please blah blah blah surely there's a way to do that obviously we've never had a billboard. But I specifically want it at Blackhorse. But that's what makes it so attainable it's like I wonder how much of the line yeah it's almost like I wonder how expensive that slot is it's like maybe we could just buy it and then

we just tick that off it's like what is it a grand we saved and saved I just almost like I want I want my dad to see a photo of me standing by a picture of us at black hole station also it's that thing of being like I walk past this every day and if I knew I'd be on it that sort of feeling. I also think it'd be fun to go back, god I'm a bit emotional, but it'd be good to go back to our like primary schools and do like a little something about like because I remember it being a big thing. I remember really specifically we were, we must have been like nine years old max and we were all, we'd all have to stand behind our chairs before we were

allowed to like leave at the end of the day or whatever. Like we're kind of waiting for like the bell or waiting for it to hit 3.30 or 3.15, whatever. And I remember the teacher talking about like, it was almost like, I feel like they were probably just shooting questions at us whilst we were like waiting to leave for the school day to be over.

And I remember them asking like what people wanted to be and them saying a lot of the jobs that you guys will have don't exist. I remember the big thing. In the early 2000s they were like, whoa we're in the future. But it's I mean this is true this definitely wasn't a thing in like 2004 or whatever. Yeah what they said actually came true. It's very true. Yeah. And I think that would be fun. It would be so nice. I'm like we want to go back in time. Yeah, I'm trying to like connect with we have a funny moment. We did have really embarrassing things. Let's put the photo in the video. Oh yeah, definitely. Last night we like got ready for bed and I was in like a huge 2001 Philosopher's Stone like coming to cinema t-shirt and i was in like a huge 2001 philosopher stone like coming to cinema

t-shirt and sephi was in a huge um night in the museum coming to dvd t-shirt and we were like god we're traumatized it's really like okay so the last time you were happy you were eight and a half it was you seeing night in the museum in the cinema it's absolutely mental it's just almost we're both getting into bed and it's like look at what we're fucking wearing Like it's fucking embarrassing. It's like Jesus Christ. Like it's really Peter Pan syndrome Oh god, I hate that. It's like I hate the connotations of that. Peter Pan syndrome. Oh what the we're Peter Files We're just like Michael Jackson It feels a bit like hee hee

Yeah it does feel a bit hee hee it does feel a bit hee hee! It does feel a bit hee hee! It's a bit mental. Oh god. He goes... He just scares me so much! I'm liking these questions you're choosing. Me too. Well this is kind of a weird one.

Because I think we disagree with the concept of this. Okay. Who is your muse? Good question. Yeah. Okay well go on, let's talk us through the muse anyway. Well I I think we also, we both watched a video because we spoke about this on the train once. There was a video of Julia Fox talking about, they asked her about the word muse and she said I don't think it's a feminist word. Like even though because she obviously famously said that she's Josh Sabdi's muse when they did End Cut Dams she famously said that and she was like I don't think it's actually necessarily a feminist word to be a muse like it's just so often it's just the male artist paints a naked woman she's got nothing without she's his muse where

he creates just through looking at her and blah blah blah she's just a vessel so So I don't think I have a muse, I don't want to put anyone in that powerless position. Yeah I didn't know I had, I didn't, don't even know what that really means. I didn't know you guys thought we were making stuff worthy of attributing to muses but I appreciate the question. It's a good question because I do, question. It's a good question because I do, I, in a political sense, yeah, revolting, but there's something like, for example, who is Elijah? I have a perfume called Muse and I think it's a great, it's a beautiful word. But that's to like muse on something. Yeah, totally. And I love that, muse and to be musing. And also like in a religious sense, the Muse is and things like that, it's sort of got an ancient Greek vibe to it but I don't necessarily need to be... I think if someone called me their muse that is extremely sexist and patronising I think. And it's mental. For a man to say that I think is really... It's really mental. I also think like you

don't ever...'s I mean for example Taylor Swift always writing about her loved ones lovers, lover vibes but no one's ever saying Harry Styles was her muse in whatever that song's called style. Yeah but who would be some fun muses then? I don't know I I don't really know. I don't know. Maybe I picked a bad question because it's like, I don't really know. It's not a bad question. I don't think we're in a position to have muses. I kind of think we are because we are moved to do things. It's kind of my dog. I would feel no one come, I would feel not comfortable to put anyone in that book. Like if I was to say someone's my muse I do think it's seen

as an inferior position and I feel not I would know only feel comfortable to put my dog in that position. I was thinking of my dog and I thought just don't even go there. It's the only person that I would put in that position of being so inferior. But I love the feeling of being really inspired by things generally but also yeah when it's like loved ones and experiences with loved ones it's very... It's beautiful, it is stunning it's just it feels like something that's from like a male painter or it feels like you are Zelda Fitzgerald and it's like actually you wrote all these books that you definitely wrote The Great Gatsby and you are being called the muse for the man that stole everything that you did. Like it's it feels like that I think.

It feels a little bit like that. It feels reminiscent of that. I might need another blast. Yeah let's have a blast of cold air. It's quite boiling isn't it? It's absolutely. I think the thing's even steaming up a bit. Oh Jesus. I mean it's not but like.

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We've got to shut these back in the searoom. I just remembered there's a spider on the edge of that window as well so it's probably for the best that we keep it shut. My car's always got cobwebs and items around it. Yeah. So I feel like you might have a good answer to this. Favorite niche things to buy or products you rebuy? Okay, yes.

Okay, things that I wouldn't be without. Yeah. Niche things to buy or products you rebuy Okay. Yes Okay, things that I wouldn't be without. Yeah. Oh Fuck I feel like I should have some really good answers to this. Hmm. I'm not thinking straight Well eight-hour cream is your big thing? That's the number one that it's just like I can't I need to have access to Elizabeth Arden eight-hour cream always yeah, like always always and some people just don't get the dry lip life and I love that for you and I'm not biting my lips in a daddy way I'm biting my lips in a they're bleeding I'm biting them to shreds sort of way when they're kind of flaking away I've never because they're always so moisturized I've never yeah I think you only met me in my prime when

I had already yeah no I'd have it. Yeah, well, it's not even... If I was out, if I didn't have 8-hour cream, my lips would be in ruins. That's kind of my nails. 100%. If I didn't have acrylic nails on, or when I don't have acrylic nails, my nails are bleeding. I can't stand the feeling of a dry lip. Yeah, I get that. It really goes through me.

Yeah. Like, even when we went to Tully's's I stupidly put my bag in the like bag and I was quite desperate for just something, something moist. That might have been the first time actually you've ever taken you up on the offer. So I have the tinted Burt's Bees which I highly recommend this has actually come via Fl flossy to my sister just being influenced. Yeah, and then Influenced me back. Like I'm just that's it. It's so good. It's just the tinted Beats in the shade Something Dahlia red Dahlia dark Dahlia or something like that It's really good. Yeah, it was really nice and I couldn't have gone without it. Yeah, like I really just I

It makes me want to like crawl my, like just crawl out of my skin. A dry lip. Yeah. Ew. Like I can't handle it and my lips are dry. It's making my lips feel dry. Oh look here we go with my Burt's Bees. I hope it's perfect. What's it called? It's called Red Dahlia and my sister has the shade Daisy which is actually quite nice. It's really got the wrong name, the Daisy one. The Daisy one is actually darker than this. Oh that's interesting. It's weird, isn't it? Yeah.

It's just not... what I would describe these as, they're like 7 quid, they're like a little lip balm, but they're really... they just give you a look of health. A nice sheer tint. It's almost just like... and they're just lip balms so it doesn't feel like you've got like lip gloss or lipstick on which I find really bothering on the lips. Bothering. It really does bother me. Yeah it does. It just feels like there's Vaseline on your lips. It's a bother. Genuinely and it just, it just looks like you're not pale as a ghost. It's the thing where you look like, I often, especially when I haven't slept, I'm looking like a corpse and someone's just put me in raw into the microwave and put me on for 30 seconds and I've been spinning around like, get me out of here and then I come out looking like yeah I need some

bird's bees or something. That is the funniest image. You look microwaved, do you know what I mean? No, I've got no idea what that means. Just really sallow and like dead looking. Ugh! That's me. It's hideous! Spinning, there was something bleakness about it. Just the slow spin. It's so- And I know you're watching me, you're waiting for me to be done and you wanna get it before the ding.

Also it's like the light that would be on you. Yeah, the spotlight. And you're looking in on me like- It's such a light. And the countdown is ticking. It's such a raw chicken. That's me. I don't see that for you. Jesus Christ. It's like God anything else. It's nice to see how you view yourself. Exactly yeah it's quite damning. It's a chicken in a microwave defrosting. It's getting worse. Yeah there is every episode

it's a worse comparison. Let's not go there. Yeah, right I feel like I have something useful to recommend, but I don't. Yeah, what's a niche thing then? Because that's not niche. That's just lip balm. Yeah, it's not niche at all. It's the most basic boring thing. Yeah, the one thing we all kind of have. I feel like I have good hats. I feel like I have good hats. Oh my god, you think I have good hats? I do have good hats. You do actually. And I often, for example when we went to Tully's, I packed a cap in my bag.

Because normally what I'll do is I'll go out for the day. By the time I'm coming home, if I'm getting a late train, I want to put a hat on so that... It's clever. It's almost like I can, you know, I'm a bit looping on the train. My suitcase, Ronald, it's like I'm just sleeping here. I'm not eavesdropping, don't worry. Have some chocolate, it helps.

Trust me, it helps. It helps. So always carry a hat. Never leave without your smile. The one thing I never leave home without, my smile. It's like sometimes I think this podcast is useless. It's absolutely terrible. Like that is so shit.

It's my life. Always carry a hat. A hat. Guys. Always carry a hat. Remember sometimes a spare pair of socks. Definitely a spare pair of socks. And actually that is a top tip from me, I always do.

Cause the thought of getting a wet sock, I mean my days are over. I'm so annoyed. I'll come back to you guys with something. There's something that I've had or done recently that I've thought, that's very clever, and you should, it's your duty to give it back to others. But I can't think of anything clever at the moment.

Sorry about that. It's been a long few days. It's been an amazing few days but it has suddenly got very long. Don't forget your keys. Honestly don't forget your keys. Like I do every day. Yeah. These have been good so far. It's everyone's questions. Thanks guys. How are we all feeling? I would love Thanks guys. How are we all feeling? I would love to know. How are we all feeling?

How are you feeling then? Are you feeling? Oh no, no. Oh yeah, go on. Me? I'm actually, I'm feeling quite good. Like I actually am. I'm feeling really tired and like I need to have a nap.

But in life I am feeling good. I'm feeling quite settled within this life here even though it does feel really like... it's just I'm still in the whiplash emotions of like... yeah I'm always flipping between really different experiences but I also feel like the experience here is really house aside, nice house aside really nice fun and quite inspiring yeah like two hours last night and I was like yeah genuine last night was particularly inspiring it was so inspiring but I feel very like I yeah I do feel really good and settled here and I just that's why I can't wait to move because then I feel like it will all just make sense yeah but I yeah I'm feeling actually like it all. Feeling good. Yeah. I

actually had a bit of a moment last night. It was in the talk I was thinking like and it's kind of earlier we were briefly like so briefly it got cut short because it was just such a dud of a conversation. Yeah. But it was I was trying to get at was the feeling that I was thinking about last night in the yellow face author talk where there was just a moment where she was kind of talking about like Let me just think Wiggle the mouth. It's just hard to come from like don't forget your hat To like trying to give you something useful. I want to make sure I get it right. No, but yeah

I did something. Yeah It was almost watching her speak and also just kind of being in the uni environment I want to make sure I get it right. Well you don't need to. No but I did. Yeah, if you've got something. Yeah. Not that there's anything to see. It was almost watching her speak and also just kind of being in the uni environment. Yeah. It's kind of, it does that thing to your brain of like, and it's kind of what I was trying to say earlier, but again it was a dud, of like readjusting your perception of what is possible for you in your mind and the things that you are allowed to do.

Like we even have conversations now like obviously Safi's doing creative writing her masters at UEA. Gorgeous. And we'll have conversations about like identifying as a writer or like some of the language that comes with it. It's very new language actually like it's going from someone that's applying to a masters it's like oh yeah this is a thing that I really like to do to all of a sudden you're being called so for the next writer sharing their work and it's like that language is really being used to describe you is it's actually nice but

it's really different basically like that's not something I'd talk about myself being and I think that's the thing like the identity of like you're hearing other people on your course talk about myself being. And I think that's the thing, the identity of you're hearing other people on your course talk about themselves as artists and writers and using lots of language that you wouldn't have used for yourself. Yeah, well people talk about craft. I think that was the word that I have never thought

about writing as my craft. That is just something I really, it wouldn't come out of my mouth I don't think. But until it does. No but I don't think it would. It's not. It might still not ever. But yeah, it does. I don't feel that like that really. I think it's just a good reminder of you're always entitled to do the things that you want to do and you don't need to wait for permission or like someone to like, you know steer you or like allow you. You're not waiting to be granted or allow you. You're not waiting to be granted access to something.

You're probably never gonna get access to it by someone else opening a door for you. If you're anything like that. No one's coming in and opening a door and saying hey, I can talk about this. Nobody's coming. Yeah, nobody's coming. Get it on a tote bag now.

On this, literally. Nobody's coming. It was just, I feel like it was a night, like watching Rebecca F. Nobody's coming. It was just, I feel like it was a night like watching Rebecca F. Kwong speak, was yeah it was really inspiring and a nice reminder of like you have, you're able to just live, you know you can start writing a novel today if you wanted. A hundred percent. You can kind of do what I mean, it might be tough because you've got to go to work tomorrow but the attitude of like feeling like you are allowed to

like explore creative endeavors is really nice. And she was talking a lot about like exploring creativity or like the pursuit of knowledge for the pursuit of knowledge which I really liked and And I thought that, because someone asked a question about academics. I didn't really understand the question. It was a bit of a tricky question. I think they were a little bit nervous

and then she asked for clarification. And you know, and you can't get it. It was like, ah! But I sort of hadn't really, I think I kind of needed that validation a little bit from her. It was kind of useful. I was like, why are you doing this sort of thing?

And almost to be like, she was like, I think as a society we've lost. Learning. Yeah, and learning not to get a grade or to get a job or whatever. Now she was talking about the society that we're in now and the way it sort of all manifested is you have to, you go to and do this degree or you go and get this specific knowledge, you go do that apprenticeship or whatever so that it will benefit You in the future and you will earn money from it and it all has to have a capitalist purpose She was saying about like how we've moved away from like learning for enrichment I want to look into that painting because it's beautiful and I think that's stunning. I want to go

To that museum not because I need to understand that artifact for my thesis, just because I would love to just go and we have really lost the worth of that and I do so much I would think oh that's interesting. First of all my attention span is fucking dog shit so I'll just think oh that's interesting and I'll forget about it or whatever. I'll watch one TikTok on about it and then I never think about it again. But if I am interested in something I think but it's not relevant I should probably be doing this thing instead. And actually it's like okay so suddenly you get an interest in I don't fucking know the fucking Great Wall of China. What is to say that you don't spend the rest of the day looking at the Great Wall of China

and being like oh I would love to understand this a little bit more. I don't know anything about the history of this thing. I don't know if you really can see it from space. I don't know what's going on there. It's intriguing that we often feel not entitled to this earth that we were born onto. Yeah, and to ask questions that are not relevant to your field, that is one of the things. But you don't need to know about,

I don't need to know anything about biology. To a title that someone might give you. Yeah. You know what I mean? Or I just decided early I don't need to know anything about physics. Actually you might want to. Some things are really interesting. She also actually like she literally gave one sentence on and it hit so hard. She literally scraped the surface of an idea. Oh sorry I'm so sorry. Harry we talked about scraping the surface of an idea oh sorry I'm so sorry Harry we talked about scraping the surface. There was a question about your nails actually that we can just scrape. Yeah sorry. We'll let us ask later. She said literally just a sentence on

like the measurement of some pursuits some like intellectual pursuits are measured as worthy and they are the only ones that are worthy and everything else is futile and pointless and just superfluous and silly. And I feel like as well, we briefly spoke about me and you earlier about how class interrupts your development, how loads of things really interrupt your development like as who you are as a person in almost like losing not even like you're not just not

being encouraged to do things that you would like or be good at but you're actually being deterred, deterred you're actually being like really extremely like steered away from the things that would be fulfilling to you because you can't afford to do that or you are born into a group of people that is like my parents would not let me do that so or like they'd let me do it for like an after-school club once a week but like you can't start declaring something creative as like that's what you're gonna what you're gonna do when you grow up Aaron blah blah blah so, blah, blah, blah.

So I just never had an answer, anyway. But we specifically discussed the word artist, which I think is a really intriguing one. And we talked about that just earlier, just- Again, straight to the surface. We just talked about a little conversation about like, it would be really tricky from a working class background to say, I'm going to be an artist

I mean I remember saying it and I remember my family being like what are you actually gonna do to make money though? Yeah, and I was probably under the age of 10. Well, yeah, so Let's kill all the people you've got like, you know, your teachers and stuff are trying to be like Oh, you've actually got like, you know, you know something to say or whatever Yeah, unfortunately, you can't and I you know I'm not like the most underprivileged person in the world by any stretch so it's just how much we kill creative right so early and we kill so many opportunities for like children right now like in this country it's just kills me oh my god I so I worked this was when

I was working at the community cafe if anyone recalls that time. I really do. Yeah good times yeah and I was doing a thing where I would help kids with their homework and it was like a homework club for kids whose parents couldn't help them like it's a free thing for parents that could not help their kids with their homework and things like that they'd come in they'd have breakfast and we'd sit there and do their homework with them or their reading and just like do a bit of Unfortunately, sometimes bit of maths and I would obviously be quite lost in that. Yeah, I'd be a bit like, oh What do you think? It would be like three times three is I'm gonna open that to the class because it's like fuck I don't know it

No, I know do you know it? So but like it would be a seven. Oh god It's a bit or like yeah tricky, but there was one boy and it sticks with me so fucking much and he was really angry about this he was talking about how in his school he was in year six and They which is like primary school if you're not from the UK and he was talking about how they give like reading awards to people So like if you've read 10 books, you get a big badge. If you have read a book from three different genres, you get a silver badge or whatever.

He said that he, because he is in the bottom set, it's kind of our cap to the C thing, but in an actual way, because he is in the bottom set of English and he's been in that for the whole of his life. He's in year six, he's a fucking baby, but he's already been limited to this level. The only badge he can get in his set is he will get one badge when he checks a book out of the library. That's the only badge he can get. He can't get the ten book badge, he can't get the different genre badges. He can get one badge that

says like, well done you big reader star. Like you, you checked out your first book and it was going to your school library and saying, I would like to read a book, please. You don't even need to prove you read it or anything. And that was the only award he could get because that was how low the stakes were for him. And he was talking about it. And he was like, it's so unfair because I really like reading, but because of the set I'm in, I can, it's so, it's basically saying he's been patronized and limited,

that he's already at year six being told, oh, reading's not for you. You, yeah, it was really upsetting. It was actually really, really, really horrible. And I was basically saying, you don't read for bad, like you don't need a badge to tell you you're a good reader. If you enjoy it, that is what it's for and all of this stuff.

These badges actually take so much away from it as well, I think, because it makes it a weird achievement, which it's not about anyway. But yeah, I just thought that was just such a, it shows it so much. Even the concept of like homework and like having an adult to help with homework, like the majority of kids definitely don't have that. No. It's crazy. No. Like I definitely

didn't have someone able to help me with my homework. No. Couldn't ever like if I wrote an essay it's like yeah no one's reading that. No one's helping with my essay. They don't know what I'm writing. Like they really can't understand what I'm saying. I do think homework in primary schools is not a good idea. You think? I think it's a really bad idea actually because I think it just highlights that divide I do think homework in primary schools is not a good idea. You think? I think it's a really bad idea actually because I think it just highlights that divide of you're not old enough to be doing this on your own.

You do need help with these things. And then I think it further enhances that divide because people would just have their parents doing it and the people that don't have parents doing it would just create that divide. I wonder if, because I'd never needed the help. I think I was really academically ahead at young age and I didn't have my parents' help

and I wonder if it made me probably more capable because I was able to do it myself. True. But I would have really flourished if I had someone teaching me broader language and exposing me to things they'd read and all of this just wasn't my experience, but whatever. But also that's the rare thing of being someone

that's naturally clever. So most of those people then will just fall behind because it's like, I don't fucking understand this and it's just gonna, I'll just go lower and lower and lower until I'm seen as a lost cause because I'm so behind at this point. Yeah, it becomes self-fulfilling really. We brought ourselves to a horrible conclusion. Should we do one funny little something? Just a nice little sweet something like a little yeah. Yeah palate cleanser. Totally

This has been nice. This is a great. This has been really nice. The change of scenery really helped. It did actually Even though I'm just staring at us the entire time because we're filming it. Yeah. Oh helped. It did actually. Even though I'm just staring at us the entire time because we're filming it. Yeah. Oh well maybe we should do a nail tutorial from Wing would end all of my problems to be honest. All right. Talk us through. First of all trust me it won't. Sorry to hear about all the problems. Unfortunately you've enlisted really the wrong help. What I would do to start is I go to Primark, I walk myself down, wear my mints and I get the basically I think the nail glue in Primark is the best it's £1.50 and it's like a tiny little thing. I get tips from anywhere I don't always need them

but I have cut my nails really short this time and then I just paint over them with normal polish I hate gel. Oh my god, I hate gel. Like with a really really really strong passion actually. Yeah. And it cost me like two quid or something to do my nails. that's incredible. I mean two quid over the course of like six months probably. I mean by the nail polishes. I'm sure you've got some nail polishes lying around somewhere from when you were like 12 or something. and also just like you've been probably collecting them here and there since you were like a child. I think there's a big aspect that you're

leaving out though which I think is a big part of your nail routine is they fly off a lot. Oh yeah and I just pop them back on. And you always carry a glue with you and you just put them on and I think that really changes it because with nails like this I would always be deterred because it's like oh they'll just fucking fly off but you proved that when they fly off I don't need to just put it back on again. Just put it back on. Remember before we went, I call it stage, but it was a very small little stage at Cambridge University. We stepped up onto it. We stepped onto a kind of a ledge and sat down on a chair in front of everyone. And right before we went up I was like, oh I just quickly need to stick my nail back on. It's just not really a big deal. I was also saying this morning when I woke up, well when I woke up in the middle of the night, but basically I keep waking myself up by really clenching my fists and

even if I don't have long nails or short nails or whatever I have nail marks in the palm of my hand and I have my nails on today and I had a sleeping XSFU poor girl, I had clenched so tight that my nail had popped it off, I'd clench I'd like peeled my nail off my you know fake nail not my real nail that would be absolutely disgusting. No but that is... so trust me then it's all your problems. But you have them incredibly sharp as well you have them to a stiletto. No they're not they're just a round rounded almond that's not stiletto. Really? Yeah. Okay. Also a bit dark. I see them as really sharp.

I know you do. Okay, rounded almond. I'll add that to my lingo. Yeah. And that's about that. Nice. It's changed my life because I'm not paying 50 quid every three weeks or whatever to sit in a room

where I'm miserable. Oh my god, that's so depressing. And I'm claustrophobic and I just wanna leave and then I come out and I hate them and I hate the way they look. Yeah. So anyway. if you bite your nails though, I will tell you that yeah I mean acrylic nails having acrylic nails that just on your fucking nails No, but they'll ping off and then I'll buy them like I just maybe I could do that I've never actually tried that or have when I was a younger, but it's pinged off and stuff. But these

These have solved so much pain for me I think but I just I would love to not bite my nails because I don't really like having fake nails on I don't it doesn't feel like you don't like that. You've tried the stuff that tastes bad. Stop and grow yeah many many many many time in my life I just really would love to have to be able to have just like naturally just like short nails I don't necessarily need to be clean like these feel long for me they're really outgrown as well I need to do them was they're just really expensive I have extremely tiny hair that's the other thing about me like I have massive hands so when I haven't got

my nails done you can tell like it's like God you look rough do I mean look like you've been in the microwave sort of thing yeah Jesus Christ. Yeah, it all tackles back. Should we end this because I would love to open these windows? Look how condensationed it is in here. Fuck me. All right, let's go. If you don't hear from us, Assume the worst.

Assume the worst. Intrace. Okay. No, off the record. Okay. I don't know how that starts, but please, please, Sefi, I need to un- Okay, okay, okay, okay.

I'm opening it. Okay, Jesus. I'm ending this. Thank you, sorry, alright. I'll see you in the world. Bye! Acast powers the world's best podcasts. Here's a show that we recommend.

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