Goes Without Saying - success, shame, & the nepo baby: privileged (and it shows)

Episode Date: May 24, 2023

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Acast helps creators launch, grow, and monetize their podcasts everywhere. Acast.com Goes Without Saying, you're listening to Goes Without Saying with Sefi and Wing. I'm Wing. And I'm Sefi. And this is another hard hitter. We're on the Nepo Baby talk, we're on the Privilege talk, we're on kind of cost of living crisis, disparity of wealth in the UK talk. I hope you enjoy this. I hope this makes you feel validated if you're feeling a little bit insecure or frustrated or like you've been made to feel

unworthy because of the experiences that you have or haven't had we're sending loads of love as usual thanks for listening hope to see you soon i hope you're in the french riviera somewhere enjoying a privileged girl boss life that's what i want for all of us to be as privileged as possible enjoy i'm excited for this one me too once again inspired by our real lives real stories real lives real lives real lives real people but the events may have been exaggerated for your entertainment for sure and if you recognize yeah and if you recognize yourself in these stories it is is purely coincidence. Totally fictional. Absolutely. We'll go on.

Let's talk about it. Spill the beans on that. I think you can spill that bean. Not in depth, but like, you can dress it up. Just take it straight into your world. You know, when it's a Thursday episode, we can just get a bit like, look, come on, it's a Thursday. We're chilled. But loosey-goosey.

No one gives a shit. We're chilled on a Thursday. Do you know what I mean? They're like, who even are you? I just put this on by accident. I haven't turned it off yet. Yeah,'t know us let's go in the last episode we were kind of talking about right at the end if you didn't hear it that i think i there's something about my personality that people sure think they can say quite rude things to me and they think

you need to be taken down a notch and i think they need to shut their fucking mouth they really do which is so offensive because i really don't need to be taking down any notches like no especially because it's not from strangers it's from people in your life but anyway yeah but there's definitely something about my personality where things are said to me that i do think a lot of other people are not having these things said to them and for some reason i just take it me and you do the same thing we're in a partnership we're in a life partnership you're hearing things that i am yet to hear and i find it intriguing and fucking disgusting frankly but anyway take it away what is this episode yeah yeah go on take it i didn't really realize we were gonna say all this um and it

wasn't even a big thing it wasn't even a big thing but it was something that was said to me i reckon like a week ago but you know i've been mulling on it and i spoke about it to my sister last night and we're like that was a bit weird right but someone said these words to me they said out of literally nowhere this is it stephy's living her life she's chilling out she's like having a drink she's sunbathing whatever you know i'm living my life i'm living my best life yeah eating my dessert business as she's minding my own business and someone out of nowhere came up to me and said so if you're so successful how come you don't live in london um so if you're so successful it's like what like looking around like first of all never said i was never ever said i was how come you had to move like i think it was how come you

moved out of london or i had to move out of london i think was the phrase and it was almost like okay let's work on our definition of success shall we sure well let's work on our definition of fucking table manners lady let's do that lady but also like there definitely is a um disparity in our ideas of success and like oh like you're equating success to being apparently a multi millionaire living in say the word that's how far i am a millionaire yeah so that was definitely something that um went into my grinding the gears yeah right into myself so if you're so successful how come you had to move out of london um but i think it comes from that sort of thing i think it came from a feeling of discomfort with me being comfortable with the idea of moving out of London

we've spoken about this a lot on the I've spoken about it a lot on the podcast that I moved out of London I lived there for three years I moved out to basically I was making the decision to prioritize the idea of like fun in my life uh in December I was like right in the new year I want to be basically be able to go traveling as much as possible I want to go on holidays I want to like live my life not stuck in England for as much as possible this year and not having to pay rent in London was a huge part of that that it was like okay well if I'm not living in London so expensive my rent was going up all of this stuff I was like oh my god well why I can't do both i can't be paying rent and then also going around doing fun things yeah living a life basically so it was a decision i made that i was like right okay well if i can use my home fortunate enough my family home

as a base i can be able to go and do fun things so it was actually quite a funny statement a funny question to get so if you're so successful because i don't think i'd really ever i don't consider myself that i don't know where they'd got this idea of me from the second part of that i find particularly interesting could you tell us vaguely enough that we get the gist of a little bit about this person's history maybe and what they may have wanted for their life and then what they have done or allow me to speak for you it's an incredibly privileged person let's say yeah an incredibly incredibly privileged person there's not really much way about it

nepo baby basically basically yeah and a nepo baby who maybe isn't satisfied with what they're doing maybe a nepo baby who maybe has chosen to not do the things that they think are particularly meaningful maybe a nepo baby who i am reading is feeling a little bit of frustration that you so undeservingly have come in and told the world what you wanted to do instead of waiting for permission when this person who was born into amazing wealth and kind of capitalist freedom i don't even know if it's i i don't i assume there's a lot of wealth there but also um it was it was um extreme opportunity exactly that's it i mean on the side to have your parent do that no definitely that's a level of wealth that i'm not seeing in my life like a hundred percent right i don't

actually know you know how like some rich people are like oh we were actually bankrupt do you know but fuck that no you're fucking rich i'm 100% like but also i think it's like these people don't know what i'm broken no they've got no fucking idea but all of that kind of whether you could get into the pettiness of their money there they were born into basically a land of opportunity they know what it is to have enough money to know when they're losing money for example and to do most people go through their lives with never having any money we're not being able to be like i'm going to pursue potentially a creative thing that's not even uh an idea of a possibility no but this is what got the cops turning we've been talking about this a little bit because there was another example which i don't think we'll get too

much into but it was in your life where we were talking about someone that you've encountered recently which just highlighted like a disparity between um people that pursue what they want against what the world has given them sort of thing or like they pursue what they want in spite of their position in life versus people that seem to have it all but make decisions as if or just make the most kind of like safe decisions and it's like but you're in a position class money all of this stuff you're in a position where you can take risks and you can have fun and all of this stuff but you don't but then you're jealous and bitter of the people that do take risks and try and all of this stuff even though they didn't necessarily have that handed on a plate the conversations

we've had have been quite interesting because we definitely react emotionally to different parts of this conversation i think you find it really frustrating correct me if i'm wrong to see people who are born into crazy privilege let's say nepo babies we're using it loosely yeah we're using nepo babies i just want to be in the title quite different to our usual oh okay i don't know i'm kind of liking it but i feel like we're on a different sort of tone okay all right let's keep walking keep walking that road okay so yeah let's call it nepo baby and you get from what i know particularly frustrated when these nepo babies don't at least make the most of the opportunity and act like things are unrealistic for them when we can see quite plainly that they were born into that opportunity already it wasn't

like oh they were trying to get their foot in the door it's like they were born in the door they were born in the building like yeah this baby came to us exactly yes right like you were born on the boardroom table and we watched you be delivered and you chose to do whatever you find that frustrating i think that's fair yeah i find less frustrating like i almost think i don't care what the nepo baby chooses to do as much i think whether they want to kind of capitalize on their privilege or like do something they believe in or whatever i don't really care i'm more so i'm always a bit peeved i'm always jarred by and i know you are too i think the biggest one is the lack of awareness that the i've only ever known people in this world from uni if i would

have not made it to uni and i'm glad i did but i never knew anybody i never knew anyone who had gone to a private school i never knew anyone who worked in an office i never knew do you know i mean like that just wasn't my world and that's fine um and i'm only recently trying to relearn that that is fine because being at uni i allowed myself to be sucked into this idea of feeling inferior because I didn't have the experiences that everybody else seemed to have do you know what that's so interesting because it made me feel superior yeah yeah the fact that I didn't go to private school and all of this stuff it made me feel I think I tapped into a little bit of like I didn't have what you had and we're still in the same place

definitely and i did have that kind of in a funny sense i would always be like haha like your parents had to get get you here but like your parents went to uni for example like your parents you know like have experienced things that i always say like for example your parents were an archaeologist my mom couldn't spell archaeology like yeah there's a slightly different level of, I'd also just, oh, it was just, it was a turbulent time. So I didn't feel any, it just, it wasn't funny to me. Like it wasn't, not that it was funny to you, but I'm also just mean, like, it was really, like, I felt so deeply ashamed of like, not being able to pay like first two months rent or like get a deposit from somewhere or like knowing someone who you can use as your reference for like leasing a

flat for your second year and things like that would stress me the fuck out and so what i find frustrating isn't necessarily people who are born into crazy privilege and are like choosing not to use it or kind of like looking around blankly like what what me i get it like that's a bit bizarre and annoying but the thing i'm finding so jarring now that i'm finding more confidence in myself and my experiences and what i've been able to do despite the upbringing goes without saying there's been a ton of privilege going on i would say largely because of my skin color for example that's and just being born in london for example that said the thing i find most frustrating at the moment with people that i now sometimes on the occasion interact with in my life is the lack of awareness from a nepo baby or equivalent that they like to assume that we're all living in the same world and we're just not

they say things so they talk about things so calmly and peacefully when we moored our yacht in on the coast of blah blah blah when what's the word for like when you blah blah blah it's like i don't know why are you asking me you know i don't know like they just speak so calmly about this insane number like the same this insane level of wealth and opportunity and like this world that's what i find jarring is that there's no awareness of this and i think it's why when we do cool things like for example we went to the gleam offices the other day i'm not ever going to shut up about it and i didn't shut up about it on the day and we were buzzing around the room yeah because it isn't normal to get to do cool things i never in a million years would

have been invited to like a cool office like that's objectively amazing and i think what i find frustrating is the people who are just born into that world because it's all they know they just get to speak about it so peacefully like without a doubt in their mind i agree i completely agree like sorry i kind of cut you off a little bit no no no that's it yeah no i completely agree i think it's so jarring to hear like experiences that you will never get um being treated or that you've had to claw at the fucking ground to get be spoken about as if it's like um going to fucking starbucks it's like oh when we went to the blah blah blah i don't even know i literally don't know when we stayed in our villa on the french riviera i remember thinking blah blah it's like what the fuck did you just fucking say yeah but then it's

but that's so squandering i think that's the bit that really gets me it's like when you know how big a deal it would be for you to stay at a villa in the french riviera i don't even know what that is i really just pulled out what does it mean it's like i once i once had a nail polish that was called french riviera that's my knowledge of what the french riviera is which is right okay beautiful which i did not know as you should french riviera could not sound more beautiful yeah riviera beautiful riviera it's like do i name my first born daughter riviera beautiful it's quite a beautiful name yeah it really is a beautiful something anyway yeah you know album name maybe yeah um live from is. Well, it's a beautiful something. Anyway. Yeah, you know. Album name, maybe.

Yeah. Live from the Riviera. I find it then frustrating. We have to do that. Seven Wing Live from the Riviera. Oh my God, we do. Wendy's Small Frosty is the ultimate summer refreshment. And not because it's cool and creamy and made with fresh Canadian dairy.

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And it's like, God, the way I would use that to feel confident and I would use that like to get myself where I want and all of this stuff. lot of people that were would well basically a lot of people that will never get those opportunities who would use these things and they would be the smartest coolest most successful quote unquote people that i thought you fucking know but you've been born into it and you choose to do shit with it i do find that really frustrating when it's like the people that i find it insulting i find it insulting to the people that i know that deserve things that will never get them. And then I see it being squandered. Oh, I fucking agree. I fucking agree.

But then I don't know if it would comfort me anymore to be. I think it's just. It's just a frustration. A level of discomfort. Yes. With basically inequality and the awareness that we're on a huge spectrum of inequality in this world. But I find it. I'm not necessarily being like. i don't know if i'd find it more comforting oh um they're an epo baby so they're always at the fucking bafters because their mum works at

fucking bafter or at least they're using it i don't know if i find that comforting i find that still frustrating and all of the stuff but i think at least i feel like it there's an acknowledgement of it and there's like we'll almost don't complain then that you haven't done things because no yeah i think that's how you feel yeah yeah when you don't act like it was out of reach for you yeah i think it's that don't if your auntie owns bafta i don't know who these people are your auntie owns bafta and then you say to other people oh i don't even know like oh as if I could get BAFTA but that's also I think feeds into the thing of like this idea of for example going to uni and everyone's cosplaying this kind of working class life shopping in urban outfitters and spending

75 quid on a jumper to make it look like you got it from a charity oh dear lord like that hurts my soul and actually a conversation specifically i remember we had at uni with some people who'd gone to private school and i remember there was a level of there was there was just a bit of a disconnect between the perspectives there in that room i think and i'll speak from my personal perspective i was sharing my view that being able to go to a private school especially in london you are so acquainted with so many different realms of people that by the time you graduate that school but by the time you finish you're a school leaver you do have if not if you don't feel like you have ample opportunity maybe you i think have a lot more

opportunity than the people who are leaving their um kind of state school i think is the terminology um with you know the only people they know are their friends parents who are also in working class jobs so like yeah the opportunity sure when I finished school I could have probably got my way onto a building site if that's what I wanted I probably could have been a plumber I probably could have been um like I knew people who worked in Sainsbury's I probably could have got a job in Sainsbury's but particularly i also had a conversation with someone the other day i was speaking to this guy and he is an artist and i was like did you always know you would do something creative and he said yeah definitely like blah blah blah he said did you and i was like absolutely no way

like i would have always hoped that but i wasn't even allowed to entertain the opportunity that I could do something creative because that isn't realistic because I don't know a single artist as a child like I don't know that that is an option I only know like you know the kind of five working class jobs and I remember us having this conversation at uni about how leaving private school and leaving a state school are really different experiences because really a lot of people who leave private schools I feel like as someone who's never been to a private school I can imagine that you end up knowing you know your friend's parents are people who probably work in maybe like office jobs at the minimum or maybe they work in parliament or they don't work in office jobs they yeah they own the office like yeah they

kind of like if they don't if they don't then their godmother does and things like exactly and so there was oh no no go go no but your um your contacts are the people are your immediate friends and family that's what you're buying that part of what you're buying isn't the education but is to be within that network definitely people that will all do each other's favors and all of this stuff or like even like the small jobs you would get as a teenager like i don't know i did a lot of babysitting as a kid but you're babysitting for people in these circles you know but that you're getting what cash in hand 20 quid they're getting 100 quid because you're just in a different it's just a different

caliber like you're around you're going to you're living in different you're paying for access to this class that is definitely that is a large part of what you're paying for and i've been thinking back on that conversation that we had at uni recently a little bit more because i think i'm at a point where you know the perspective that i was sharing at the time of like you know you do leave a private school with a fair amount of privilege in terms of like getting a job for example or getting even a creative job let's say yeah you def in my view you leave a private school with a fair amount of privilege in that sense you do no and that's not that's fact well that was really that was really like argued quite strongly in this conversation and i remember being quite hurt at the time and i was saying like i remember being

in school and the teacher saying to us like you know a lot of you boys will probably get stabbed a lot of you boys will probably be slabbing people, blah, blah, blah. And I remember saying to my friend, like, I don't think you've ever contemplated what it might mean to be stabbed until your tube maybe passed through where I was from. And you kind of put your head down and put your phone in your bag. Like, you don't, you don't exist in the same world. And that is frustrating. Because as you were saying, saying actually i know the people in my life who aren't from that privileged world are so creative and so valuable and have so much to share and it isn't even an option and that's why i'm really proud no it will never happen and i'm so proud of myself even when i was talking to my dad about the podcast and like things have gone so well

recently and i just feel really good and i was kind of saying this in the last episode of like you know despite mentally like mental being mentally challenged or despite mental things going wrong whatever blah blah blah and despite also like real life traumatic events i'm also and i think this is kind of getting to maybe where you were at uni of being proud of where you'd got because you didn't go to a private school for example and being a bit like oh I feel superior because you guys paid to be here sort of thing I don't know superior but it's um a sense of like we were not on the same footing yeah and now we are and now we are yeah I like that to a certain level yeah to a certain level um not really no we're

not no we still have so much more yeah but i do think being a student kind of balms people because they get to do the whole like pretending that their skin sort of thing yeah um and i was having a conversation with my dad recently about things that have gone well for the podcast and we were kind of putting into perspective like i don't know it's not like a dick swinging contest but my parents like my grandparents came to London in the 60s as immigrants like my dad's parents didn't speak English like my dad didn't speak English like they really had to work super hard to just be able to live my parents didn't go to uni I didn't know anyone who went to uni I could have gone to a better uni than Sussex because I got amazing grades as i said in the last one because i worked really hard like there have been so many challenges to then not only like be able to finish school and go to uni huge achievement

i think for anyone who's kind of university acceptance rate at their school was like two percent or something a huge achievement in itself i think to be able to I don't know push yourself whatever I think and do something that your parents never could have done for example I do think the awareness now that I'm doing something creative feels and doing something fulfilling feels like such an insane luxury because all I've ever known and I think this goes for most people actually is the idea that jobs are things that you hate and you just have to do them and that I've always known that to be the truth an undeniable truth. A fact of life. A fact of life and to be able to right now have done loads of cool

things like graduating uni whatever all those little things despite not having the same experiences that the peers that I was graduating alongside had I don't know it just feels I'm at that point now where I'm feeling a little bit of that thing that you were talking about at uni of like oh I've got myself somewhere and I've got I think I've got myself somewhere pretty special when I think of how fulfilling this is and how i think not stereotypical it is for someone who has had my upbringing i think as well some people could listen to this and see it as um harry styles uh the grammys the grammys people like me just don't get opportunities to people like me and you know i think as well that's why the privileged conversation

is quite difficult for a lot of people because they don't want to be honest about what they've had. I'm not saying Harry doesn't want to be honest about what he's had at all, but more so just generally. It was an odd statement though. Well, I think PR wise, you can tell that as a white man in this kind of current climate, you... Maybe don't say that. I think his PR team surely could have anticipated how that was going to be. Especially when everyone was wanting Beyonce to win. Maybe don't say that it doesn't happen to people like you harry but then i do understand

the working class element of being from a town where nobody leaves and no one has a name that anybody knows and not that there's anything wrong with that because again i think we've touched on in the past the idea that especially with like influencer culture you're made to feel like your normal small life is meaningless and i think just because it's normal yeah just because it's quote unquote normal doesn't mean it's fucking nothing like i think the whole thing is fucked up but yeah yeah i think the conversation is difficult for a lot of people because they don't they don't want to be honest about and maybe also not even that they don't want to be honest but they actually they don't have the awareness that they think they do like i think they don't believe it but also i think it's it's firstly

it's confronting to be like the things that you you feel like i don't doubt that these people think that they worked really hard for it i don't think there's no um i don't know they're not they're thinking god i got this handed to me because in certain ways they didn't get it handed to them but they're not really understanding that there's like a huge they don't know what other people's lives sliding scale yeah of like your idea of hard work is not the same and in so many ways my idea of hard work is not the same so many people's like it goes it goes so far both ways and i think it's like the awareness of like being somewhere on that spectrum and i also think like it is the responsibility of everyone that isn't at the very fucking bottom of that spectrum but everyone that is at the very very top of that spectrum of people that i mean if your dad is kind of the ceo of the

company that you work at or if you're i don't know parents parents parents parents parents all went to university and all of this stuff and you're in a, it's a history of people going, of highly educated people. It kind of is your responsibility to at the bare minimum have an awareness of it. But the lack of awareness that I see from the people that are right at the top, they're in literally the 1% and they literally have no awareness of it at all. And I do think that is quite insulting i think it's really fucking insulting because it's actually like these events actually give you real like the especially in the uk like there are so many people currently even in london living in like huge poverty that creates real trauma that means you're less likely to live a long and healthy life that

has real tangible impact on what your life looks like it creates actual physical pain for you not only just what your life looks like but your children and their children and their children like it's not just like a we're a pocket now in time of like just we all happen to be, but we're just like slapped on this planet and we're all at different levels of privilege and all of this stuff and opportunity. No, it's not that. It's that all of our parents and grandparents, all this stuff, it's a continuing cycle. And then that will then be continued. Like, it's not just, oh, right now what happens to us is all in a vacuum. Be aware of your privilege or it will make it unpleasant for

everyone it's like no it like actually has like real world massive impacts on like healthcare education housing all of the like massive topics that will just get passed down and passed down and continue this awful fucking cycle and this is why i find it annoying when um kind of the nepo babies of the world are like oh we weren't even that rich growing up or like oh i went to private school on a scholarship like and my parents had to sell their villa in the french riviera and stuff yeah because that is a blip of oh okay you had a moment of like a bank did something wrong to you big deal i'm talking about like literally not knowing how to use the bank because you don't have any

financial awareness. You've never been given a slither of education and that's not to undermine people. That's like the actual truth is that people aren't exposed to just so many things that other people take it for granted and I find it very jarring and I always speak about uni but I think that was just a time where I didn't meet a single soul on the same wavelength as me. And that really affected my self-esteem. I think uni definitely is one of the things where you, I mean, if we all come from these completely different backgrounds, really, we all come from different areas. You'll come into this, well, basically, I don't know, I'm speaking from my thing, but I grew up in a very small, rural town. The people very small rural town the people

that i'm the people that i considered wealthy around here like there'd be a few families that i'd be like oh they're rich or they're rich when i got to uni quickly realized that they would be very much considered poor um i do think there is a huge you're hit in the face with it at university like your idea of wealth it like you've been looking at like yeah i mean like your idea of wealth is insignificant these people are like actually were actually fucking rich like even my idea of like to go to a private school like the people that i knew people that went to private schools like there was a private school like near my area that a lot of people went to and i had like two friends from primary school that ended up

going there wow and yeah like they left in year six they didn't go to the state school around here they went to the private school and i considered that so posh to do that it's fucking posh as fuck it totally it totally is it completely is they went to a private school their parents paid for their education but until then you get to university and you realize the distinction between a rural private school where they're maybe paying i don't know 15 grand a year to send them there and a london private school where they're spending i don't know 90 000 pounds a year hundreds of thousands i remember googling someone being like it's actually mind-blowing and disgusting it is disgusting

it's vulgar and it is actually it's evil because i almost think then the song and dance that everyone does about like oh let's give these like working class kids this scholarship and let's do this and let's do that it's like you're sitting on so much money you're sitting on so much money and you actually can't bring yourself to do anything of value with it it's so so sad it's like inhumane yeah it's like deeply disgusting yeah like and actually this country is just built on theft and violence and rape and white supremacy and actual white supremacy and it makes me a bit ill and that's in that like everyone i met at uni it's like oh that's that's your guys's family like that hurts

that's yeah that's who that's your grandparents like that hurts because i know my grandparents and i can see them they're alive in the flesh and it's all exposed when we look at who our very direct history is it all becomes very clear oh that's why you keep talking so calmly about the french riviera because we're not from the same life but also it's the direct history but that's one thing like that is absolutely out of these people's control like how they were born into this family they were born on the boardroom table when the history in the history of their family out of literally out of their control but what i find unsurprising and kind of jarring at the same time is how they choose to act about that in just like their life

in the decisions they make but also in conversation when it does come up as a confronting topic the resistance that it's met with says it all it's like oh so you you were born into this long history of stuff and you are choosing to just play into that you're very comfortable there and you don't want that to be even a topic on the table really it can't be a topic on the table because i also think as well what i find really interesting now is i know i can only have this conversation now because i have a level of privilege that i never had before if i never would have gone to uni and had the privilege of going to uni exactly i never i wouldn't have known those people i wouldn't have really known this discourse

so much i wouldn't have known how um kind of prevalent this kind of realm of society is i wouldn't have actually been able to really physically gauge these people because i'd never known them and now i've seen them i can't get them out of my mind i can't unsee the shit that i have seen but it only comes from having experienced it and i know there's a version of me out there who never did any of this never went to uni and would never have this conversation because i wouldn't have the words to articulate what it meant because my parents couldn't spell archaeology yeah exactly well exactly is i think a lot of it is like you wouldn't even have the time to think about it because you'd be so busy at your job feeding your kids doing the things that you're supposed to do i just do want everyone to feel like i think the biggest thing i felt was beyond

like actual kind of with financial insecurity a feeling of like a lack of safety for example and a lack of stability in life in like a real world way beyond that like in a mental sense i think one of the hardest things for me was feeling really um invalid as a human feeling really like unworthy and i just hope everyone here feels like i know i always say but of all the things standing in your way remove yourself from that list don't make you be the final boss of all the things in your way um and i'm sure we're speaking to a few private school girls here which is interesting um but i hope you guys are well i'm sure you are on your holly bobs and you're just chilling out um but also i think again as we were saying on the last

episode let's take the shame out of that and make it a conversation because the shame only keeps it in the dark like sure in the thing of like you can't help you really can't particularly help that your parents paid this money for you this sort of stuff was happening to you when you were a child look you're a kid your parents paid a load of money for you but i think that's when it becomes the responsibility to make that a conversation make that an acknowledged thing like and not say shitty things maybe like if you if you're sitting on a ton of money do something with it i think 100 do something with it that maybe benefits not just the people like you oh i've got a bit of a bad mood bit of a stinky mood now actually i know i'm trying to think of

how we can bring this to a nice ending um okay nice funny ending is despite all of your privileges you're probably not a straight white man so true i'm joking i'm joking i'm joking i love a straight white man however um i love a fair few and despite all of our kind of differing experiences i'm sure we can all mostly connect on the fact that there's one thing we're not in this circle and that's a straight white man and if you are a straight white man thanks for popping in hope you learned some things um i hope you had fun yourself out no i think stay stay for as long as possible soak it all up soak up the sephian wing vibes and go and strike a lightning belt through your ceo's office well i hope you're all having a good day i hope me too i almost feel like we bummed everyone i would have liked to listen to this because it would have for example

if i was on the bus to uni i would have been sulking away feeling i would i was feeling so bad that i didn't even know i was feeling bad like why you'd feel validated i'd feel like oh people are normal like i didn't meet a normal person for three years that hurts like that does something to the soul do you know what i mean i mean that is quite crazy yeah anyway let's get out of here yeah let's go cool thanks guys if you don't hear from us you're valid if you don't hear from us you're valid and assume the worst