Goes Without Saying - we keep fucking up: podmas #16

Episode Date: December 16, 2024

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Acast helps creators launch, grow and monetize their podcasts everywhere. Acast.com. Oh my god! Feels good to be back. Feels so good to be back feels so good to be back the bells they are ringing oh jingle what is it let the jingle jingle jingle bells ring yeah and boy are they ringing oh god the bells are ringing out the cries of and wigs. Oh and fucking autos just started barking. That's alright. Is it? Yeah. Well we said let the bells ring. Shut your god damn mouth. We invited the bells to ring, let's let them. Exactly. How's it going? So we missed the, how many days of podmas did we miss? We've been gone. Three or four. I had no voice. I lost my voice. Sefi, so basically before I lost my voice I kept voice noting Sefi and she was like stop voice noting me,

you're gonna lose your voice, like rush your voice. But then I was, what I was my voice, I kept voice-noting Sefi and she was like, stop voice-noting me, you're gonna lose your voice, like, rest your voice. But then I was, what I was gonna say, but what I was like, oh, I'm not gonna bother voice-noting back, but what I would have verbalised was, you know the thing where you wake up and you feel really, really ill and then almost the more the day goes on, you feel a bit better, so like you're out and about, like you're living your life, and you feel like, okay, I was kind of trying to trick my mind of just almost like you know when you haven't spoken enough and you need to just loosen the voice, you need to let the buzz ring, you need to speak up whatever blah blah blah that was what I was trying to do but because I felt the throat coming on for ages but then it fully took me over but now I'm back and everything's fine.

And it's good to have you back. I might need to go and actually shut Otto up. Okay sure take it away. So I i'm gonna kill him i'm just gonna basically give him a treat go go for it no worries should we talk about something As I said in my letters, no way down no better, I would never lose my baby. Da da da da da da da da. Sorry. Hey. I'm back, I'm back.

We're having, we had our ditch, where there's like a ditch at the bottom of the garden, there's like a stream, but it's like buried by grass. Okay, interesting. Like it's a tunnel. We had that dug out, because it kept like flooding. Okay. And now we, they said said no you can't do that for some reason I can't remember what it was so we've had it reburied again with

a big pipe to stop the flooding and the builder people are here to like check on its progress because it's all been buried again I got you oh so you just had to let them in no they've come through the back but but Otto was waking up. Coming through the back door. I'm back at home. That's... Oh, yeah, so that's the big update really. But no, I still wanted to talk about the illness more. Well, that was kind of it. We wrapped that up, I think. I was ill. Now I'm not and I'm back and in the time that we've been gone, who has the curse struck? Oh my god. Okay, so we actually... so the Cepheidon Wing Oh my god, okay so we actually, so the Sephian Wing anti-miters touch. Yeah if you don't know, if you've missed sort of made this industry, they sign us and they actually just like follow.

Gleam? Gleam, we're talking about. So, anybody remembers Zoella, you know, the days of the original Zoella days? Gleam. That was like the gleam times. We signed with gleam. Six months later. Six months later, they're dead.

They're in the dust. They're toast. You have us to thank for that. It wasn't our intention. But we just have this quality, this magical quality, this essence. And like, I think this is one for the eagle-eared listeners. Yeah. But like, we've spoken about people before disaster strikes in like big ways.

Big ways. Like really actually sad big ways. No, awful. And that's not necessarily the curse. But I do think there's something about the fact that when we speak about someone say say say that we say that we love someone recently who said that we've loved we've been banging on about them in fact we've been wearing our dressing gowns and people have been paying a lot of money for those dressing gowns disaster has struck for this poor girl yeah so if anyone's been keeping up with Podmas you'll have heard us speak about Matilda

Jeff proudly saying, you guys, like, you can trust us. We've met so many people but listen, Matilda Jeff, there's nothing like it. She was so nice. And then somebody said the rubbing of the arm was the magical moment. That was when the transfer of the curse happened. That she rubbed a little bit too hard. We're like a terrible genie and you rub our arm and then the curse unlocks. But like Gleam, there are so many things that we've spoken about that end up folding which is, you know. I absolutely love the anti-mide of the time. It's actually something to be concerned about. Like I am genuinely... the Matilda Jerv thing

did make me think, okay this takes it into another level of like... Like what's going on there? something's up with us. so basically don't rub our arms. don't come too close. don't come too close. we come with love every time. oh my god so so much love but it must be something that occurs. the last thing I want to do is end what is actually going on there. it's just really weird we have incredible timing timing we just know to talk about something like two days before it becomes a thing yeah because also Matilda Jeff has been a thing for so fucking long I only really knew who she was a week ago got this lovely dressing gown fell in love with the poor

girl and now all of a sudden can't even utter the name in common parlance which I'm always muttering things in common parlance. parlance? I don't really know how you say that phrase. parlance is crazy. how do you say parlance? I've never said the word aloud. clearly me neither. parlance? I only read that word. no one's ever said it to me. I barely know that word. no one's ever had the gall and the cheek to say parlance to me. So that's where we're coming from. We're coming from the curse. Yeah. I know everyone's been finding that funny and so have I. But as long as everyone's okay, obviously, the unfortunate consequences of the curse is people are actually upset so yeah no and it doesn't like from what i read on the stuff you sent me about it

yeah it doesn't sound like nice behavior like it sounds maybe a bit fucked like we know the oh i don't even know what we know i don't really know much to be honest i've kept out of it i'm staying out i've done my bit yeah exactly we've said she's really nice and now we've done my bit the curse i've noted the curse and now I step away Who will be our next victim? Honestly, who was ready to face the wrath? Not coming with wrath no, no, it's going with love, but unfortunately we just have the way it's so unfortunate Is it a problem with us with our our timing of things like... Maybe. Rather than oh god

I don't know what's going on but what what the fuck? I don't know but I want to make it clear that if you're like coming into this a bit naive as to like maybe you don't even know who we are hey thanks for finding us out. Hi yeah we have a curse. Hope this lands. Yeah nice to meet you we have a curse you'll be fine yeah like it's not just us that are making this a thing we've been getting like so many messages over the past couple of months when things have happened we've got so many messages from people being like guys are you joking what yeah what's happening yeah so do you think it's that we don't have things at the drags like for example gleam we caught that was a drags moment they're just they're on their way out as a company

totally they signed some drags they're like right here we go and we catch them in the moment. 100% we caught them in a bad moment. the flame is dying. we arrived to the party when everyone was cleaning up and putting the bottles in the recycling and you know we were late obviously but we had to do what we had to do. i do love the narrative of we were the final nail in the coffin of Glee. I mean that's like feels like conglomerate that was like they had a monopoly on the industry that's Zoella come on now. Literally that's Zoella. And we put that to bed. I think we might have I think we're working our way through the Sugg family putting them to bed to be honest. Unfortunately we love them. We really do only only good things to say about them. Oh my God, literally the best things to say. Also, that was just a really funny moment.

My sister just came in the room and Wing has a thing where she thinks, we kind of be thinking about a lot of people that they look like Lizzie. So Lizzie, yeah. I don't know if it's- But the newest one is funny. But the newest one is, has anyone been watching Vlogmas?

I know you have. I will say it again, it's Zoe Suggs Vlogmas. I know you're there. See you every evening in fact. Everybody's there. Um, Otterly Rudeys, the firstborn daughter of Zoe Sugg and Alfie Daze. Yeah. Otterly Rudeys, there's something about this child that sometimes when she speaks I think, okay Lizzie, I'm watching Lizzie. Little Lizzie Deacon, I'm watching Sefi Sister, there's something about it. She said, there was one that I was watching this morning, I had it on when I was getting ready and it was like,

she was saying, they were reading a book and Zoe was like, oh I think this is the person who writes the other book that you like. Yeah. To Otterly and Otterly said, you mean she writes my Gruffalo books? Now that is crazy! And I was like, okay Lizzie! Is the feature, is there something about it?

You know, she's got fair hair, there's something there. There's something in the spirit. But it was quite funny because she just came in and Wing was like, you look so much like Otterly Rudez. And Lizzie was like, who? And it's like, Otie. And we were both just going Ottie. Ottie. Ottie. As if you don't know who Ottie Lee Rue Dayes is. And she's like oh yeah I know her. That kid. Beautiful child.

Beautiful sweet child. Sweet sweet child yeah. Like genuinely makes me want to have a kid. And I don't say that about many people's kids. I saw a hilarious TikTok the other day that was like, this is what I mean when I mean rich. And it was basically like saying, like I don't wanna be rich in money,

I wanna be rich in like, it was like, you know, they were trying to do like a kind of wholesome thing. What, I've been talking about Otterly Rudeis. But the pictures, it was a slideshow, and there was like, this is what I mean when I mean rich. And it was just a slideshow of Zoe Sugg's mansion. It was like, when you you say rich you mean rich. Like you're obviously not from England. There's something that looks so idyllic about their lives.

The whole thing is beautiful. There's so much time and like money to put into this kid's life and also like so much love and so much family as well. It doesn't look dysfunctional in the slightest. Obviously I don't know what the fuck i'm talking about because i don't really know what's going on but it just looks so lovely. i mean i know this much those kids are so loved. so loved and so lucky. so so loved. yeah. harry you are so loved. so anyway. yeah. the curse. yeah. otterly rude day. so many odd days. now otty's gonna get cancelled No no no no no no. Queen. Oh my god I'm actually untouching word. I wonder if it's possible for a kid to get cancelled. I just don't want any ill will coming to any. From now on we denounce the curse. No. From whoever we talk about from now on the curse is denounced cancelled over. What does it mean? With the power vested in me. In me? As the power of christ compels me. yeah. and i cancelled the curse. yeah. now we've spoken about the curse it might just get cancelled anyway. it might lose its power. yeah exactly. well it's like everything we speak about turns to shit so the curse will not turn to shit. it's like an anti-christmas miracle. it's the anti-christ. the anti-christ. it really is though. But it weirdly is. Yeah. Oh, it's fucking mental. Like, I know so many people saw that thing about Jeff Avenue or whatever and were like, fucking set in wing.

What the hell? Fuck off. Why is this happening? Genuinely. Anyway, so on that note, yeah, things go right, things go wrong. It's the only thing guaranteed in life. It really is. So yeah. And how are you feeling? Anyway, so on that note, yeah, things go right, things go wrong. It's the only thing guaranteed in life. Things are gonna go wrong.

It really is. So yeah. And how are you feeling? And I think we, well there's definitely, oh wait, go on, what? How are you feeling? That was all very wrong. Oh, I'm feeling good.

There's definitely, you were gonna say? I was saying like, we were sort of thinking, okay, we can turn this into a conversation about perfectionism potentially. Because I think it's like the idea of like, right, okay, we're doing podmas, we're gonna do every single day in December, missing three, it doesn't feel good. It feels something like a failure, I must say. It feels like a disaster.

Reminiscent of like, okay, so we didn't accomplish the thing we set out to do, but we always say this. The priority is not in the final thing being like, okay, so we did 25 days, the priority is us in the final thing being like, okay, so we did 25 days, the priority is us feeling good and being able to do this. I mean, yeah, look, if there was any way that I could have done them, I would have done them. There was even one day, maybe a week before,

I know that goes without saying, but there was like a week before where we were recording really late and so everyone's like, oh, what if we miss this day and this episode that we're recording now goes up tomorrow, so today is missed, and I was like, no, no, no no no no no no and I fighted it and I was fighting so hard and I really do like put up a bit of a fuss a lot in my life like I do get quite defiant about things and then I get ill and it's like oh okay and I do some kind of in the curse

I guess I got I had it coming I was kind of asking for it in the sense of just being like, no, I'm not even willing to miss a day when it probably would have been for the greater good to miss the day. So much so that then a week later I lose my voice and it's like, oh, now try missing a couple days, you absolute fool. But that's a good lesson. It is, but I still haven't learnt it, so see you again next year. Like I find it really hard, but it's what it is. There was no't learned it so see you again next year like i i find it really hard but yeah it's what it is there was no way there was no in a tangible way there was no way imagine imagine i sat you down and made you speak with that croaking voice physically there was no way i couldn't the words were not coming out it was really bad she sent a voice note guys and i literally was like that was when i sounded quite good I was fuming that you were sending it. I was like, stop.

But I sounded alright then. At that point there might have been something... It's kind of... Help me! She was like... Yeah, it was bad. But the intention is always there. But anyway. But sometimes life has a plan for you. Exactly.

You have to be willing to change. I always say as well, I'm the biggest person at saying this, but I'm not very good at doing it myself, is it doesn't really matter how good you are. What we can measure is how good are you when things are going wrong? How good are you at accepting things

or changing the plan or being flexible or like letting go and accepting that something's not happening or whatever. That is what I feel like makes someone really like impressive to me. Yeah, really strong. When like, it's like, oh, anyone can be good when things are going well.

And like, oh yeah, everything's coming in nicely. Everything's going smoothly. Everything's going to plan. But like, how good are you when you get rejected or when something fucks you up or like when something's not going right. well that's the challenge. it's not challenging. that's when it's challenging. it's not a challenge. that's fun. that's nice. I welcome it. that's not necessarily where you're being tested in life. well every day is a test. every day is a fucking challenge. but anyway. Yeah okay so perfectionism. Thoughts on that?

Mmm. Oh I'm actually kind of having it a bit at the moment. Like really? Well so I have an assessment. Oh yeah go on. Goodness me. You do yeah. An assessment due on the 13th of January. Okay you've got time. So far not done a lot towards...

You've got so much time. I've it's a short story that I'm submitting, 5,000 word short story. I've submitted it for my workshops, like the first half and the second half. So I have had like, they're written essentially, but like basically I'm kind of thinking, do I change the whole thing?

That's a good question. You know the drill. There's a lot, lot, lot that needs to happen. But I'm having the thing of like being, knowing it's stupid, but like being scared to like mess. Basically, I want it to be done. I want it to be perfect. But like you need knowing there's a whole journey to get to that point. Hi, CPH of the Blood Filter Podcast.

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It's just quite overwhelming. Like there's a lot I need to do. So you're thinking, do I keep what I've got? No, there's no way I'm keeping what I've got. I'm thinking I need to start by putting off starting because I know it's going to be hard. Oh, so you're going to start what something as in like you're going to. No, no, no, no. I'm going to start what's something as in like you're gonna... no no no no I'm gonna start with the editing deep. yes. I cannot... editing is also a very nice way of putting that deep deep

ripping to shreds of everything that's there. yeah but you're not changing tactic you're not changing... not changing anything major but like there's... you're keeping what it is. the bare bones are there but all the flesh will be gone. that's the hardest part I think with anything because it's almost like you've got something i always say like um kind of trying to get like taking the shill it's essentially what normal people would say is like polishing a turd but i always say like there's a big shit but it's covering like a diamond and then you have to like keep like hacking away at it But it is like that. It is exactly that But that's kind of it like it's not even in a deep way

But I think it's just like I think I realized the other day of like oh, I'm putting this off like For silly reasons now like this is like it's not you know I really should there's no reason why I don't just start with that and in my life will be easier I do have a weird thing where like everything I do is always at the last fucking minute. is that weird? well i find it it's not um uncommon but it annoys me i find it a really really like inconvenient trait of myself. well it means that you're in that prolonged sense of like i need to i need to but i'm not for ages. and it means that you have a few days where you like are you exhaust yourself to actually insane level.. You actually have to log off. Yeah 100% But it's like what like just do it today very calmly. I won't. The thing about last minute that freaks me out

That I've been in so many times where it's like oh, it's like the day before or the night or whatever. The morning of. Where you don't have it This is what I think is the most important thing night or whatever. The morning of. Where you don't have it. This is what I think is the most important thing with any like thing that you're doing, anything that you're making, anything that you're going to hand in or whatever. I always feel like the most important thing is being able to have fresh eyes. Like having the luxury of time to leave and then come back to it with fresh eyes. Not being able to have enough time to take away so you can come back with fresh eyes. Because when you're so locked in on something, it all becomes a mess.

Yeah, but I do feel like my brain works the best when it's like that extreme pressure of like, this needs to be done. Now. In half an hour, this is being submitted. And then usually I find, get some bits from like, okay, wouldn't have come up with that. Well, I also think it's because in the chilled environment in the chilled environment I'll create

the stress whereas when it's when we're actually at a time crunch no time to think yeah there's actually there's no time to think anymore it's just like oh well I guess this is what it is but I really really really don't enjoy that moment no it's horrible like I've been in that quite a bit like I've been well well well out of an academic environment being back in that. god i really did struggle with the adjustment of like suddenly i'm in the library like stapling all these papers together about five minutes before i go into the room and hand them out. it's like why do that? why literally why do that? you had all day yesterday where you oh well I just kind of oh you know just

like do a little bit hungry you know just think about it oh but I kind of need to go for a walk now I've never been so hungry I've never been so tidy I've never been so literally any other well dressed oh my makeup's looking amazing oh god I've never I've honestly things have never been better for me apart from this one thing that I actually have to do. I'm communicating with all of my friends so clearly. I'm so up to date on the goings on of everybody that I know and love. Terrible. But yeah, there's this huge thing looming. I honestly just think Dumbo.

But it's the way it works. It's not Dumbo but it's tough. It's not ideal though, is it? It's not ideal. It's, you know, but it also is quite romantic. Most things in life can be quite romantic. they can be yes. most things can be so romantic. yeah they really can actually. if you really try hard enough. if you're deluded enough anything can be romantic. 100 percent. i was driving

yesterday and i was feeling a bit bummed out just like romantically bummed out, you know And I was thinking Romantically bummed out with I'm doing that with like a small R and also as in not romanticizing the bummed out as in you know But but both but both And I was really then just thinking, like, I was just driving and then I got into the narrative of like, look at me. Driving through Christmas. So alive.

So alive little girl. Just like with her issues, with her struggles. They all mean nothing, but they're also fun and it's all so, god I feel it so deeply, but I also feel the laughter. Light as air. And I started laughing. It's hilarious I just thought God look at me. What a funny life Hilarious life. I also

Always say I say on the podcast all the time But like what if it was fucking Carrie Bradshaw, for example What if you're like, yeah, you're in season one of friends Like this is all new and nothing like you're not even gonna remember the pilot in like the years to come. The pilot? She's not in a wedding dress. What are you doing in there? That was back in season one. Do you know how irrelevant that is? I was like no we hadn't found our character yet. We were still riffing on things. Winston was still nothing. Like we're not there yet.

Winston was coach. Winston was coach. Winston was literally a different person. You know? Yep. Like is that? Yeah. So yeah. I've beenantically bummed out but in a fun way yeah it is in a fun way as all things are. yeah exactly. sorry i'm really like fidgeting

because it's actually out so there's like an advent calendar behind me no mo we all know about it. yeah. but also our reading poster is just behind me and it's fucking annoying me i really want to get it framed but it's a really annoying size. I thought it'd fallen down. I was also gonna say I did say this to Sefi earlier but so I did get some advent calendars do you remember in the whatever episode it was guys when I was saying I don't have any advent calendars any as if I need multiple. I don't have any not even one I had zero and now I have two that day my boyfriend came back with two because he heard me say. I can't remember what the other one is. One of and now I have two. That day my boyfriend came back with two because he heard me say. I can't remember what the other one is. One of them is a candle one so every day you get a scented candle which is really nice.

God that's insane. Yeah I know. I literally. What the hell? Yeah I know it's like way too nice of him and then the other one was a candy kittens one which famously Jamie Lang you're next on our list of, on our hit list of huge face in the rap. Oh I'm actually surprised that hasn't happened yet. Me too! I won't even accept the curse for that. Like that won't even, like that is- That's purely he had it coming you think? Potentially a long time coming. Like I really like Jamie, like I've watched Maiden Chelsea as we know my whole life. I actually like, I think he's at good vibes.

Okay. But some of the things that happened on that show, and I'm not even specifically talking about him, I am talking about this other guy Spencer more, I think Gen Z need to get their hands on some of these things. They're all on channel four, you can see them. I think you might be the whistleblower. I've been blowing this whistle. I have been blowing this whistle. I just think like, look, some of this shit, for this to be a guy that like is supported by the industry and is like a very functioning guy. There's some shit on that show. If you dig through the archives, it's pretty fucking crazy guys.

Like I would say pretty standard abuse going on. It's not good. Yeah. You do with that what you will. I've never seen it. And I've been blowing that whistle for years and I will continue to blow. What I know about Jamie Lang is that he kissed us twice each, one on each cheek, and that I have always hated Made in Chelsea from afar I've never watched, and that when I open my advent calendar every day my candy kittens... I've hated it from

close up. Yeah you have, keep your enemies close. Every day I open my advent calendar and you scan a QR code and who's sending you a little riddle video? Jamie bloody Lang! That is so iconic. I literally opened it and saw that and I was like the only person I know who's gonna give a shit about that She's gonna give a shit about it like ten people's worth is Sefi. Yeah, and I really do. So what are the riddles? Oh one of them was like, to be honest I've only done one of them, I have to be honest.

I mean it's a lot to ask people, like I think kind of there's a quick thing like mine has little pictures on it, I'm barely looking at them, you're going straight for the chocolate. Yeah they've gone all out, you get multiple streets. I'm not scanning a code for a riddle. But then I think you can win something. Maybe you win money, I don't know, maybe we should do it. But it was one of the riddles was like my heart is so small I'm the Grinch basically who am I something like that? You're joking. Yeah, it was something like two sizes to Yeah, my house is I do small and I'm I'm so green and I'm it's not really a riddle and I live in the thing It was something like that. I can't remember what it was

But that was the only one I did because I thought I've seen enough from you Jamie. what are the rest? I wear a hat, I come through chimneys. I come down your chimney. I've been watching you. you make a list. I live in the North Pole. I am the poster travel Christmas. who am I? I've got a red nose. I'm a deer. name kind of. is that a riddle? I don't know what that is. I did think that. I thought the riddle was a little bit loose. but I appreciate the effort. it's a weak riddle I would say. know what that is. I did think that. I thought the riddle was a little bit loose. But I appreciate the effort. It's a weak riddle I would say. I appreciate the effort that he went to anyway. It's more of just like, I'm telling you who I am and now what? Say it back? And now you tell me. Say it back. Who is it?

Well. But good effort, Jamie. Good effort, Jamie. And regardless, the curse will be hitting you soon. And enjoy that. Enjoy the curse. Enjoy the wrath of Sepphi and yeah no the curse doesn't work like that the curse only works when when we're not thinking about it when we yeah when you think they're safe not even safe but we say that we like them I think we've always come with love despite what you for sure no the people we critique do not get this treatment. well also oh i don't fucking know whatever. anyway i was gonna say if it's worth speaking about on the podcast we must have some

thoughts about it but then i thought don't say that because you've spoken about so much shit that you don't care about on here. yeah but also i don't particularly care about matilda jeff. like it's not necessarily something that i feel i'm saying oh i love her. i've never cared about her until two weeks ago. i'm not actually being like i deeply love her.. Like, it's just like, yeah, you gave me a dress again, you rubbed my arm, queen. I mean, two weeks ago, I would have fought for her. The night of that event, where we went to her thing, on the way home, we were like, well, she's a star.

No, no, what, no. She won us. 100%. And I still kind of think she might be a star. She definitely has star quality, but I do think. There's something. The thing that I find interesting about it is like, I know maybe nobody cares about this, but I find this sort of stuff interesting

just in the sense it's like oh it's so awkward she's like just had this big drop with Hailey Bieber where they've like partnered. Oh the awkward FaceTime. The awkward FaceTime that you said yes. Yeah. So they've done this like collaboration where it's Matilda Jeff's it's like a peppermint lip balm or whatever the classic like road lip balms from Hailey Bieber's brand. And they've collabed with Matilda Jeff. Why are they called Rode? I think that's her middle name. Hailey Rode. Rode.

Baldwin it used to be. Yes, Bieber. So fucking iconic. Good. That's the one instance I changed my surname. To be Bieber. Bieber are you fucking joking? It's crazy. Like that's actually insane. I wouldn't do it. Bieber? Are you kidding me? Like that's like... I was never a Belieber unfortunately. Not like Anne Frank. I would almost like my kid's first name

Bieber. Kid's first name Bieber is cool. It's insane. Yeah yeah I guess it is cool. Well anyway that's just come out and I feel like oh that's awkward now that's a big con... like just almost that's a really big deal. You've just partnered with the road You've just partnered with Haley Bieber and now you have to say to her They have to have a bit of a combo being like like Haley will have said I see you know This is happening or whatever. She would have said yes, you know, because you can't you can't follow the promotion cycle now. You can't like Continue now. It's everything changed now.'s like, oh we go quiet now. So you know people will be losing money.

It's just, it's very eek. It's, it's tough. It's crazy. But you know. And that's why you don't make people scrub out your toilet. Yeah. That's crazy. I don't know anything about this.

If that happened, there's a lot being, I'm retracting a lot there. Like that's pretty crazy. Also a lot of fatphobic comments. It's not sounding great from what I've heard. Well I think especially when the brand has been built on representation. Like not pinning your models. But that's not what the brand has been built on. Well no, like she's made a big point of like always photographing a wide, like the marketing around around Jeff has been really really about inclusivity Literally fucked then it's been really Intentional it's been very vocal about representation. So anyway, I don't yeah, I think some some things like that I don't believe like as in like yes, you can show a diverse range whatever but like the brand is built on a skinny white woman

Being beautiful. That is what people skinny white woman being beautiful that is what people are you know that is what it is and yes represent like yes you are trying to do that but I'm not necessarily surprised that she's behind the scenes saying things like that. It's really interesting so she has a whole history of like talking about her eating disorder oh wow talking about kindness and all of these things and that's why she's always been very oh god yeah she's that's yeah yeah so she's always been very... Oh God. Yeah, she's... That's not great. Yeah.

Yeah. So she's always been very like... I always saw the Matilda-Jerf brand as very outwardly loving and very, very wholesome. I remember she spoke about maybe an ectopic pregnancy that she had, something like that. I feel like she's always been very... If she's gone through something, she's spoken about it sort of thing. Which I admired from afar.

I've never really known anything about her other than when I met her and she rubbed my arm and yes I fell for it. So what? You would too if Matilda John rubbed your arm. But yes, everything changes. Things change very quickly. Yeah.

It's, you know. Pretty crazy. It's the way things go. Okay, nice. Well, great, it's so good to be back at Podmas. changes things change very quickly yeah you know pretty crazy like yeah things go okay nice well Mary great it's so good to be back at podmas it is good to be back in podmas back in the flow back in the rhythm I'm so bad when my rhythm gets interrupted yeah me too actually I feel like it's nice just to be like because it's kind of like oh god we're doing a thing but we're not really doing a thing like so yeah no we're back well also I felt bad because you had those

conscious thoughts whereas I was just like Also, I kind of didn't like it also came at maybe a good point I know but I hate I couldn't even like oh we could have had a couple of days off and it's like but I haven't I've just been ill. No, you know what I mean? It's ah No, I could have actually enjoyed myself. But anyway anyway, of course You couldn't enjoy yourself because then but also if you were enjoying yourself, then you'd be our world. We're gonna do it Anyway, of course you couldn't enjoy yourself because then but also if you were enjoying yourself then you'd be oh well We'll continue with this This isn't how it works. I know I just you know what I find it very hard and triggering to be

Cancelling plans and stuff. I find it really difficult to do as someone who has been so depressed my whole life I find it so hard. But also this is not um, I won't worry too much They've got an abundance like there is a lot lot lot of stuff here. And I feel like Harry you're screaming it from the rooftops like, leave us alone. Be ill. It's so true. And thank you everyone for being so nice. Yes. As always. Yeah, you're so kind. You should build a brand on kindness guys. You should and then make someone scrub your toilet. And then meet us and rub our arms and give us free dressing gowns and then face our wrath. Okay. God. Thanks everyone.

Merry Podmas. What is it? face our wrath. Okay. God. Thanks everyone. Merry Podmas. What is it? Merry Podmas. Merry Podmas. And a Harry New Year. And a Harry Harry New Year.

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