Gone Medieval - Queen Cynethryth of Mercia's Lost Abbey

Episode Date: December 7, 2021

Queen Cynethryth of Mercia was one of the most distinguished rulers of Anglo Saxon Britain. Wife to King Offa, ruler of the Mercians (the most powerful kingdom in Anglo-Saxon Britain) and the only wom...an to have coinage minted in her image. So how did she end up in Cookham Monastery in Berkshire? After the exciting excavation and discovery of the monastery this past summer, Cynethryth’s story is finally being told. In today’s episode, Cat is joined by Professor Gabor Thomas, an associate professor in archaeology at the University of Reading, and the archaeologist in charge of excavating the Cookham Monastery. Together they discuss Cynethrtyh’s importance as a medieval Queen and the roles medieval monasteries played beyond being a place of worship.If you’re enjoying this podcast and looking for more fascinating Medieval content then subscribe to our Medieval Monday newsletter here. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Transcript
Discussion (0)
Starting point is 00:00:01 From long-loss Viking ships and kings buried in unexpected places to tales of murder, power, faith, and the lives of ordinary people across medieval Europe and beyond. Join me, Matt Lewis, Dr. Eleanor Jarniger, and some of the world's leading historians as we bring history's most fascinating stories to life, only on history hit. With your subscription, you'll unlock hundreds of hours of exclusive documentaries
Starting point is 00:00:27 with a brand-new release every week exploring everything from the ancient world, to World War II. Just visit historyhit.com forward slash subscribe. Hello and welcome to Gone Medieval by History Hit. I'm Dr Kat Jarman. This summer saw the announcement that a previously lost monastery dating to the 8th century had been discovered in Berkshire by a team from the University of Reading. The monastery is associated with a very unique and powerful queen of the kingdom of Mercia, Kynethrith, who was the wife of the slightly more familiar name, King Offa. This week, I'm talking to the archaeologists in charge of those excavations
Starting point is 00:01:09 and asking him not just what he discovered, but also to tell me more about Kynethr's remarkable career as a Mercy and Queen and also the roles of these monasteries, which are far more than just places for monks and nuns to hide out and pray. I'm delighted to welcome to the podcast today, Dr. Gabor Thomas, who is an associate professor in the department. Department of Archaeology at the University of Reading, and he specialises in the early medieval period and particularly settlements and religious sites. So thank you so much for joining us today,
Starting point is 00:01:44 Gaborne. Thank you for inviting me. Now, congratulations on your big discovery and excavations this year. That's really great news. Yeah, yeah. Well, this is the sort of stuff that I'm really into, so it's a great privilege to be back on the trail of an Anglo-Saxon monastery. Yeah, fantastic. We're also to hear about it. So we're going to get to that later on, but I was hoping that, before we talk about the actual dig and what you found, to get a bit of more context for our listeners and sort of bring us back to 8th century Mercia. And so I wanted to ask a little bit more about this Queen Cunnithris, first of all. Can you tell me who was she? She was a big cheese. You know, we know that women could attain power in early medieval societies, but she's a particularly
Starting point is 00:02:30 good example. She is the queen consort of Offer of Mercia, the most powerful of all the Mercian kings, who expanded the Mercian kingdom to its greatest extent, and who tried, and in some way successfully, to emulate, you know, the great sort of Carolingian, Frankish rulers at the time on the continent, in particular Charlemagne himself, who was in correspondence with. We know a fair amount about her from contemporary historical sources. I speak about her in very high terms, and if somewhat generic, so she's described as a very pious person,
Starting point is 00:03:10 perhaps isn't too unexpected. We suspect, and we don't know for sure, but she probably was from the Mercy and Royal Line, sort of that went back into the earlier part of the 8th century. So she was drawn from royal stock. So it was a very, if you like, it was a dynastic marriage. I mean, the other sort of snippets, we get about her. She's mentioned, or she's the signatory to important documents. She's mentioned
Starting point is 00:03:37 as the recipient of estates in charters. I mean, one thing that really signals her out as being special is that she's the only queen to have coinage minted in her name for all of some Northwest Europe. This is truly, truly exceptional. And that's telling us something very important about the power that she wielded equal to contemporary kings and archbishops. So yeah, yeah, she's an important player, definitely. Do we know why? I mean, because it's so unusual that she has this coin especially. I mean, do we know why this happens or have any sources that suggest that at all? We don't. We don't. I mean, we don't have it. It'd be lovely if we had some kind of a almost like a timeline that showed us or, you know, sources that enabled us to track the trajectory,
Starting point is 00:04:31 if you like. But, you know, we just got this gap. We only really hear about her in the sources once she's attained that level of power and she's married to offer. And subsequently, she continues to be a powerful person beyond his death. So it's impossible to know, you know, the contingent circumstances that led her to rise to that level. And can you say a little bit more about Mercia at this time? So this is a really powerful kingdom. And it's got connections to the continents, does it as well? Or is there a very sort of, is all the activity, everything, just very much localized?
Starting point is 00:05:11 Or is it a more wider sort of network or contacts and connections at this time? Yeah, very much the latter. So by this period, I mean, certainly by, you know, the second, third of the 8th century, in Mercia is the major political power in Anglo-Saxon England. And for decades it's been expanding its borders. It's been trying to capture, or successfully captured, strategic arteries that gave it access to international trade and contact. That's why when we come on to discuss it, you know,
Starting point is 00:05:47 we get involvement of Mercians on the Thames using monasteries as a way of kind of gaining control of the tents. So they control London ultimately. You know, that's a huge prize. They annex and subjugate neighboring kingdoms that provide them with access to the Eastern Sea Board, including East Anglia. We can see them controlling monasteries in those areas. So really, by this point, it is a kingdom with international aspirations. And, you know, under its rulers, it's very much taken in, in in that direction. And do we know if they had any children offer and contestors? That's an excellent question that I don't know the answer to. That is the first
Starting point is 00:06:35 time I've ever been asked that question and I now know that's some homework I need to follow up on. But that's a great question but I don't know the answer. So I'm sure listeners out there will be Googling as this goes out. Fantastic. Well in that case let's move swiftly on. on to the next topic. So, okay, so she was clearly then involved in politics at the time. She has these coins to show us that she was someone of significance. And, I mean, clearly she was the wife of offer. So that was one of the key parts of that.
Starting point is 00:07:10 What happens when offer dies? Does she then continue to be in power or does she move on to another role? Well, I mean, it's very characteristic that Royal War. widows enter monasteries. It's a, it's a traditional path, if you like. You know, although she had a lot of power, I mean, one must suspect that a certain amount of that was by dint of her marriage to offer. And when a really powerful ruler like that dies, inevitably there's instability, there's a certain amount of turmoil as people compete to gain power for themselves and to succeed. Again, you really need to speak to a, you know, I'm sure that an Anglo-Saxon historian would be able to give you a much more subtle answer to that question in terms of the complicated power dynamics that followed off as death.
Starting point is 00:08:08 But we do see her relatively swiftly entering the monastery at Cookham, so within a year of his death, you know, that's a familiar pattern. So it's not unusual, but at the same time, it's a way that royal widows manage to continue to play an active role in politics, to continue to exercise political and dynastic agency. Monastery's provided a framework for that to happen. So when you say she enters the monastery, does she become? the abest, and she becomes in charge of it, essentially. That's right. She is in charge of this institution. From that, we have to assume that it is either a nunnery at this point, so it's all-female community, or it could be one of these quite characteristic institutions or monasteries that flourish in the earliest phases of Christianity in England. It could be a so-called double house
Starting point is 00:09:19 or a double monastery, so with a mix of monks and nuns. So either or, but she's heading it, irrespective of its precise composition, she is the de facto person in charge. And do we have much information about that monastery in terms of, well, so obviously you've already said right now that we don't know some of those basic details, but in terms of the fact that this was lost to us and its location was loss. Do we just not have that many sources that give us those details? We have some. The reason we have these sources is that there was a great tussle for a period.
Starting point is 00:10:00 It was actually a three-way tussle between Mercia, Wessex and the Archbishops of Canterbury over Cookham, which demonstrates its strategic importance. So we kind of get sidelights on it in respect of disputes that were held at various church councils over the monastery there. But nothing detailed. I mean, there's snippets of information that tell us of its general importance, its strategic and political significance. But, I mean, we know it was very wealthy, and it was certainly regarded and highly prized because there was an exchange between that the kings of Mercia and the archbishops who exchanged the monastery. And it was exchanged for a huge amount of land in, you know, the historic heartlands of Kent.
Starting point is 00:10:53 I think it was a hundred hides. I mean, that's a huge valuation to place on Cookham. So that just gives you an impression that, you know, just how highly prized this monastery was. So, but beyond that, so we knew, knew it was there. We knew it was a valuable, important sight. and vaguely the location, but not the exact details and not finding any evidence of it until this summer when your excavations come in.
Starting point is 00:11:20 So tell me about that discovery. Yeah, I've kind of made a lot of my career in terms of fieldwork has been, you know, based around going into currently occupied settlements because, you know, they often don't see development in the same way that, you know, suburbs, of towns and other areas where a lot of commercial archaeology happens. And off it's the case when you go into a community that has an understanding of its ancestry and its heritage, often there'll be quite firm views on what they think, you know, the significant
Starting point is 00:11:57 as a site may or may not be. It's quite interesting. And sometimes there's real debate within the community as well. And that's very much what happened at Cookham. Because we started investigating this, investigating this site next to the churchyard. that to my eyes look like, this is just an absolute dead cert for where the early medieval monastery is likely to be. But there's quite a lot of resistance to that locally. There are people that were saying, no, actually there's some place name evidence that it's, you know, a couple of miles behind us up the hill on higher ground. You know, that's a more defensive situation. It's more likely to be where the early medieval monastery was located. So it was quite interesting to go into that sort of
Starting point is 00:12:43 environment where, you know, things were quite contested. But, you know, when we started recovering occupation of the right date on the site that we were looking at, that just to my mind confirmed that, you know, actually this, you know, we are correct in believing that that was really the the correct site. So what sort of material did you find in the excavations? So, I mean, the important thing before sort of discussing that is really the location is prime. We're sandwiched between the medieval church of all sense in Cookham. But we're right on the river itself.
Starting point is 00:13:26 I mean, and that's just a kind of a clear reflection of the fact that monasteries at this period were incredibly well connected. And you see this pattern repeated. I mean, they're either located on major rivers or on coastlines, like into the fact that to function as monasteries in the way that they were supposed to at this period, they had to be connected and very highly so. So the occupation that we're finding is in this really strategic location,
Starting point is 00:13:59 just on the edge of a gravel island, sort of rising up out of the floodplain beside the river, and all that you would want to hope for, you know, in terms of what an archaeologist might call middle-saxon occupation. Buildings, metal trackways, middens, pits, hards, production going on, metalworking, carpentry, you know, lots of evidence for spatial layout, ditched boundaries, is, you know, it's really, really characteristic settlement archaeology of the 8th and 9th centuries, but in this very strategic location, besides a medieval churchyard. What a Tudor men like their women to look like?
Starting point is 00:14:58 They should have broad shoulders, fleshy arms, fleshy legs, and broad hips. What did 17th century Londoners think of coffee? A syrup of soot and the essence of old shoes. And what? Did executioners wear? A lot of these guys, they were clothes horses because it's a big public spectacle. All the eyes are on you.
Starting point is 00:15:19 I'm Professor Sizan Lipscomb, and in my podcast, not just the Tudors, we talk about everything from monasteries to the Medici, sex to spying, wardrobes to witch trials. Not in other words, just the Tudors, but most definitely also the Tudors. Subscribe from History Hit, wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 00:15:53 And is some of that that you've found reflective of this kind of high status site or is it just any generic settlement or is there really evidence in what you've found so far that this was something of importance? Yeah. I mean, it's certainly produced enough, although what we've done so far has been pretty small scale to show that it was performing the role of a central place. So there's lots of consumption going on there in terms of, you know, food and diet. There's a lot of preparation of food stuff. There's metal working. There's other types of production in other materials. There's stuff being imported to the site from East Anglia and the continent. We can see that coming through in the pottery. So it's got these extensive, it's plugged into extensive networks. There's evidence of wealth on the site in relation to to contemporary coinage. There's a really nice, small but significant assemblage of personal adornment's
Starting point is 00:17:02 dress with a very female flavour to it, some very delicate dress pins may have been used for securing the headdress of the nuns, so some gendered aspects coming through from the fines as well. So, I mean, overall, this is not the sort of the range of material that you would expect to find on a run-of-the-mills type of settlement. Yeah, I mean, it sounds very much like this sort of material culture that we get from other sites, other molastic sites like that as well, I think, which is fantastic. One thing I want to just pick up on that is said, you talked about craftworking and metalworking and things. And I think it's easy to have an idea that these monasteries were literally just religious sites where you'd sort of come and sit and pray quietly. And that's what you did.
Starting point is 00:17:53 But that's not actually the case at all. I mean, can you say something a bit more about what would happen? You know, what was life like in an early medieval monastery? That's a really good question. And it's a question that kind of intersects with a much wider debate about how we should go about characterising monasteries. in this part of Anglo-Saxon England, because there's an interesting duality in Anglo-Saxon England, in the type of archaeology you get from monastic sites.
Starting point is 00:18:27 So you go up into Northumbria or into Northern Britain or Western Britain and Ireland, and the signatures for a monastery are often much clearer. So you might get, for example, evidence for the production of sculpture, sculpture being used, whether for the furnishings of a monastic church or in relation to funerary practices. You might get evidence for the production of shrines and other liturgical metalwork. On sites in those locations, we've been able to excavate over the sort of liturgical core of these early monasteries. So they produce evidence that is quite clear cut and meets our expectations of what a monastery should look. like. When we move further south, however, the evidence is more ambiguous because it crosses
Starting point is 00:19:20 over quite strongly with secular settlements of high-status character, which also produce evidence for production, metalworking, lots of consumption, drawing upon a wide range of resources, formalised spatial layouts using bit-ditched boundaries, timber buildings of various kinds. So there's a number of sites, I can mention some of them, Flicksborough Brandon, for example, where there's been a lot of debate about, well, were these monasteries or not. Now, what's interesting is that a lot of these contested sites lie in eastern England, places like East Anglia, where we have absolutely no historical records. If monasteries existed in this area, very few are actually documented,
Starting point is 00:20:08 and that's just an accident to the survival of written records. But what's interesting, when we turn to areas where we have excellent documentation, including the Thames Valley, Cookham itself, Kent, we find when we excavate these sites, and there are some problems because we don't always get the opportunity to excavate the liturgical cause, so we're working around the periphery of that. We find occupation that's very similar to what we see in secular context. So I know that's a bit of a digression and a long answer, but going back to your original question, what was life like, what were monasteries like? Well, part of the answer to that is they were central places and in many respects they overlapped with secular central places that existed at this time. But albeit with some distinctions and I think to see those distinctions more clearly, you need to be able to sort of excavate within the liturates.
Starting point is 00:21:07 liturgical cause of these places. That's when you start recovering, for example, monastic churches. I mean, what's an interesting question that remains to be answered is whether in this part of the Thames churches of the 8th century were wood or stone. We don't know because we've never excavated one in this area. A big research question. We would definitely expect to find evidence for the monastic burial grounds and it might be multiple. We know on other sites that you had burial areas that were reserved for the brethren and other funerary zones that were used for lay people that were buried there. It may be that there's other sort of liturgical structures that are located in and around the cemeteries. But once you start moving beyond that zone, in effect, you're moving
Starting point is 00:21:57 into areas that are very similar to what you would expect to find on a secular settlement. But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't call these monasteries. I think there's some aspects of the debate or some commentators who've almost gone too far. And they've become, even when we have the documented evidence for a monastery existing, they're going, well, we found no evidence for sculpture on this site, using really Northumbry and they've got a sort of template. But I think we've just got to accept what the evidence is telling us. In this part of England, monasteries look very similar to secular settlements,
Starting point is 00:22:33 albeit with some important distinctions. So that means then perhaps also that more ordinary people were sort of there. They were taking part in what was going on there. These weren't these sort of very secluded just for monks and nuns, but actually they were part of the local community, presumably. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:22:52 You would have had a social spectrum represented in one of these places. I mean, yes, at the heart of it, you've got a bunch of aristocratic women. Fundamentally, that's what Nunner is, but you would have had populations supporting the brethren because they were spending most of their time doing the liturgical rounds and doing what monks and nuns do. They need to be fed.
Starting point is 00:23:15 They need to be sustained. You would have had dependents residing at monasteries, you know, and they would have been tied to these places for their lives, you know, a very unequal, you know, relationship. But that was the nature of early medieval society. Yeah, that's a really interesting point. But if we go back then to the beginning and go back to who we were talking about here, and Kenneth Ruth and her sort of link to this, do we know what happened?
Starting point is 00:23:42 Do we know when she died? Did she die there? Did she get buried there? Do we have the answer to any of those questions? We don't. She's not mentioned in any lists of the resting places of royal members of the Mercy and Lime. I think we have to assume, and that's another question for historian. Why haven't you got a phone?
Starting point is 00:24:03 Why have you got a direct line to a historian? I don't know how old she was when she entered the monastery at Cookham. It would be interesting to find out. That's another thing I have to find out, actually. But I think we have to presume, because that was pretty standard, that had she died while abbess at Cookham, she would have been buried there as one of its most important members and the remaining brethren would have prayed for her soul.
Starting point is 00:24:39 You know, that's where the royal members of the royal family ultimately were buried in monasteries just like Cuckham. So it would have made sense for him to be buried there as it's abbess. So somewhere in the monastic burial ground, I would imagine, lie Cunathrith remains. So that would be brilliant to find, wouldn't it? But presumably somebody like that, it would be difficult to identify because they wouldn't necessarily be given a burial that was sort of unique enough to sort of single her out, do you think?
Starting point is 00:25:12 Yeah, that's an interesting one. I mean, it's not impossible that, you know, that she was translated. It's not impossible that as an important royal, she wasn't the found dress of the monastery. that's quite interesting actually, because she comes along. It's already up and running when she enters it. So often it was the case that members of the Royal Line that founded monasteries were subsequently enshrined and became these places became an important focus for royal cults.
Starting point is 00:25:47 It's not impossible that that happened at a later stage in the trajectory of this monastery at Cookham. It certainly can't be ruled out. I do think there's hope of finding a cemetery there in your future work when you continue? I think there's certainly a possibility of that. I mean, the site that we're investigating goes right up to the boundary of the medieval cemetery. And what we know is that early medieval cemeteries were often more extensive than their medieval successes. On sites where you've got monasteries that become parish churches, you often find almost like a penumbent. of early medieval burials beyond the boundaries of the medieval churchyard.
Starting point is 00:26:33 So it's quite possible that we'd find something similar at Cookham. And are you planning to go back next year to do more? Yes, we are. We very much hope to return and run the excavations as a field school for the Department of Archaeology at the University of Reading. I think it would offer great training for students. It's also not very far from the department. It's only about half an hour away, which helps.
Starting point is 00:27:03 And the other thing is we've got a wonderful support from the local community and voluntary organisations who have been heavily involved, who are heavily involved last summer. So it's a great focus for collaborating with local communities in the Thames Valley area. So, yeah, for that reason as well, it works very effectively as field school. Fantastic. And it's the final question, what do you hope you're going to find in the next season? What would be the ideal outcome?
Starting point is 00:27:34 That's a really interesting question. I tend not to try and sort of get my hopes up and just, I mean, it would be lovely to find some of the sort of the liturgical zone of the monastery, including a bit of the monastic cemetery. Who knows? there might be remains of perhaps one of the churches that lay at the core of the monastery as well. Often there were multiple churches at these sites. So, you know, that would be fantastic. Fantastic. Well, fingers crossed for you.
Starting point is 00:28:09 And I hope I can come and visit in the summer. But thank you so much, Gabor, for coming along to Gone Medieval today. Thank you. It's been a pleasure. So that was Dr. Gabor Thomas from the University of Reading. This has been an episode of Gone Medieval by History. Don't forget that you can also subscribe to our newsletter, Medieval Mondays. Just look in the episode notes and you can find out how to do that. And tune in for our next episode.
Starting point is 00:28:37 Thank you so much for listening. I'm Dr. Kat Jarman and I will be back soon.

There aren't comments yet for this episode. Click on any sentence in the transcript to leave a comment.