Good Hang with Amy Poehler - Jon Hamm

Episode Date: April 28, 2026

Jon Hamm is a proud member of the Loser's Lounge. Amy hangs with the actor and talks about the best positions to play in baseball, how many cigarettes he smoked in the pilot of 'Mad Men,' and his alter ego, Juan Jamón. Host: Amy PoehlerGuests: John Slattery and Jon HammExecutive producers: Bill Simmons, Amy Poehler, and Jenna Weiss-BermanFor Paper Kite Productions: Executive producer Jenna Weiss-Berman, coordinator Sam Green, and supervising producer Joel LovellFor The Ringer: Supervising producers Juliet Litman, Sean Fennessey, and Mallory Rubin; video producers Jack Wilson and Aleya Zenieris; audio producer Kaya McMullen; social producer Bridget Geerlings; video editor Drew van Steenbergen; and booker Kat SpillaneOriginal music: Amy Miles Check Allstate first for a quote that could save you hundreds: https://Allstate.com Shop your favorite local grocers on Uber Eats! https://www.ubereats.com/brand/kroger Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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But we're going to start our episodes like we always do by talking to somebody who knows John. And we've got a great one today. We have Roger Sterling himself, John Slattery, an incredible actor, director, writer, wonderful person who is like kind of one of John's chosen brothers. so let's see what he has to say. And get him on Zoom. Hi, Slattery. This episode is presented by Allstate. Checking Allstate First could save you hundreds on car insurance.

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Well, we're doing it. Slattery, I'm going to talk to him about this, but I just finished a Mad Men rewatch, by the way. Whoa. Wow. How long did that take you? A couple months. God, Roger Sterling is such an incredible character. Such a complicated guy that you just cannot help but love.

And half the time you're like, why do I love this guy? Although, I mean, not just him, I think everybody had, despite their wrongheadedness or whatever moment, like just when you thought, well, this is just somebody who thinks like this, they do something incredibly human or funny or touching or whatever, I mean, he's, you know, that thing, all those characters had that. Okay. So did you and Ham know each other before you worked on Madman? Uh-uh. So you met when? I auditioned for his part. And they said, and I remember I called my agent back and was like, are you sure this is the part?

Because, you know, I was beyond that age. And they were like, that's what they want. So I did all my homework and went in and read. And then Matt and Alan Taylor were there. And then they said, okay, so here's the thing. We already have this guy. And I said, excuse me? And they said, well, your part isn't really visible so much in the first episode.

So there wasn't much for you to read. We didn't think you'd come in. And I was a little like, and then, you know, he said, but I promise you this will be a great part. So then I met him and I was like, oh, shit, you know, well, they certainly do have that guy. Like I realized, you know, oh, that's what that guy looks like, of course. Yeah. And then day one, he just sent me a picture the other night two nights ago of his TV, somewhere wherever he was. And it was him at the desk and me sitting across with a drink and I said, and I could tell from the suit and like my hair was diff something. And I said, is that day one? And he said, yeah. No way. I mean, what's so satisfying about your relationship from afar is that the relationship you had on the show felt very brotherly.

It really felt like big brother, little brother energy. And is your relationship like that too? It feels like it. I think our relationship is more sort of equal, like our age doesn't really come into it so much. And also, he's such a competent person. It isn't like I have anything to teach him. It's often the other way I was thinking about, like, well, what would I ask him? And it was, who does he look to for answers? Because sometimes I actually think, what would Ham do?

Like, in a certain situation or whatever, because he's just, is it. You know, he is good at most everything he puts his hand to and smart and accompli, all that stuff. And he kind of, so, so our relationship was more just kind of, you know, brotherly, but not like a older, younger, like it is in the show. What do you think makes John so competent in your words, like so good at so many things? You know, you have to be smart emotionally to be that funny. And as you know, you know, you have to be observant. and you have to listen and you have to. So all that stuff goes into being good at very different things.

I mean, it makes sense that he's as good at drama as he is at comedy because it's something that he's paid attention to for a long time. I mean, when I was a kid, I couldn't, I would stand in front of the television. I wouldn't even sit down. I would just stand there with a clicker and go from Oscar Madison to Derek Jacoby to to, you know, just get a chunk and then a click, go to get another one and see what I, just get a piece of this and a piece of that. When it got slow or commercial, I'd go it off to some, you know, just like, just a, you know, a sieve open, just wanting to, I don't know why. I don't know what it was, but I just like wanting to absorb everything.

Wow, that's such an interesting and true observation is that when I watched TV, I watched it like what I imagine. athletes do when they watch sports, where they're watching for, you know, same. I watched performances unconsciously or subconsciously to get an idea of how to do it. My mother was a big movie fan. My dad was too, but my mother would, she'd go, come in you if you watch this. And I'd have my coat on, on my way out. I was like in high school or whatever. And she'd go, you come and watch, you have to watch this.

and I, Sunset Boulevard or whatever, some, and I got, I have to go. And she goes, just five minutes, just watch. And then an hour and 20 minutes later, I'd be sitting on the couch with my coat on next to her watching the movie. I said, I watched at her funeral. I was sick. I watched more movies with my coat on because I was, you know, sucked in. Yeah, yeah. Well, Slattery, I love seeing you.

I'm. You too. I hope we get to hang out in some real way again. We got to be on a, we got to do. I do a couple scenes together once on a silly show called Wet Hot American Summer on Netflix. We got to perform together and it was really fun. So I hope we get to do something again someday soon. Me too.

You know, I remember being so impressed that the difference between my own ability to sort of improvise and yours, which was like, oh, that's how, that's a person who knows how to improvise on story. Like not just divert and use some nugget that you have saved up or something, but like that you could do stuff that had to do with the actual action of the scene. And I was just sort of you and John Early. I was watching this thing and I was thinking, man, these people are, this is, this is different. Well, when you don't quote, remember your lines, you have to, you have to have a trick. Yeah.

You know. You have to be like, look over there. Well, Sattery, love you. Love seeing you. Give lots of love to Talia. Please give her my love. We'll do. And thank you so much for this.

And I'm sure Ham will be so happy that we talked. Have fun saying. All right, buddy. Thank you so much. Okay, talk to you soon. Bye. All right, listen up. Ralph's King Supers, Harris Teeter, Food for Less,

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ends May 31st, 2026. See app for details. You look great. Boy, winning a Golden Globe really changed you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, I have two of them, but... Yeah. So do I. Yeah. And when you have two, it makes the first one that much more special. It really does. You know what you're making me think of

that I feel like we should start with immediately? Is that you and I started something... Loser's on? Yeah. Losers Lounge, baby. First of all, John Hamm is here. Hi, John Hamm. Hi.

Oh, my God. Okay. First of all, I'm so deeply, deeply happy to see you. Same, buddy. Same. It's been way too long. Yeah. I'm seen you forever.

Yeah. But I've been watching your podcast, as I do for all my friends. But you, I just love what you've done with the place. Thank you. I remember doing with Nick Offerman. I mean, years ago, smart girls at the party. And I knew then that you had your finger on the pulse of something very, very special and cool. And I'm glad that this is the further extension of that because it makes me very happy for you.

Thank you for saying that. God, you've done so many favors for me. But you did a, you and Nick and a bunch of people did a... I made you have a baby. That's like the first one. We have so much to talk about. I literally was not pregnant when the week started. I know.

That was crazy. I'm going by the end. That was crazy. a baby. Well, and also, you know what's amazing about that is that there is a physical marker of that time. I know. And it like we have known each other now for we're getting up on the 20 years, 20 years, which is. Which seems crazy. It seems impossible. It does. Everything that I think is 10 years now is 20 years. Yeah. Pandemic really threw a whole weird thing in that. And the 80s to us are, the 80s to our kids are what the 20s were to us. Yeah, exactly. They're like, oh, the roaring 80s.

when everybody wore tuxedos. But I want to start, John Hamm. The last time we saw you, you were getting on a hot air balloon. On this podcast. Yes, I was on it. I was on a hot air balloon. You were shooting on a hot air balloon. You were shooting on a hot air balloon.

In Medius Ress. And I hope you heard both the Adam Scott and Paul Rudd episode because we talked about you a lot. And, you know, we have talked about you on this podcast. and that early grouping of guys. And it does feel very fun and magical to talk about it. Not only because everybody was young and like just beginning, but it just feels kind of wild that you all met. Yeah, it's crazy.

How did you all meet? Through Paul, honestly. Here's how it started. Tell us how all the Avengers assembled. Yes, truly at this point. Paul is an Avenger, right? Paul is an Avenger, Ant-Man. Okay, that's an Avenger.

Apparently. Yeah. If you ask him, what? Why are you so angry? Because you have superpowers. You got a shitty superpower? You turn into ants?

Let them. Come on. Come on. Come on, dude. Wrap it up. You did it. Grow up. Literally.

Literally, Ant man. The next movie is growing. Grow up, man. Okay. Anyways, Paul is from Kansas City,

Missouri. Yeah. I am from St. Louis, Missouri. Right. Paul went to the University of Kansas. My dear friend Preston Clark was his roommate

freshman year, at the University of Kansas. Paul would come back with his roommate Preston to visit St. Louis, holidays, long weekends, what have you. And that's when we got to know one another. I was probably a senior in high school and he was a freshman in college. So that makes sense because there is this big brother energy

that Adam and Paul have with you, where you feel like they're big brother. You're only two years, two or three years older. No, younger. I'm younger than Paul and older than Adam. Oh, really? Yeah. But Rudd gives you...

But Paul also doesn't age. Yeah, he has made a deal with the devil. There's a very terrible painting somewhere. That is just really rough. But he gives you a lot of big brother energy in the way he talks about you. It's interesting. Why do you think that? I don't know.

I don't know why. I mean, I think I've always... You probably have had this experience with me, too. I've always represented older than I am. Yeah, I've heard you say that. Even when I was like a little kid, not not a little kid, but like when I was in a a teenager, they were like, you're buying the beer. I was like, why?

Because you look kind of old. I'm like, what thanks? Is it because you were tall? Tall, I have a deep voice. I got a, I got a beard early. Like, I was just, I don't know what it was, but it was very much that. Yeah. I played all the adult roles in college, you know, like the high school and college.

All the real fun dad roles. You know, great. You should have done. You know, I'm like, who's afraid of Virginia Woolf when I'm like 19? You should talk to Paula Pell, who, also talks about she always did the old, like, old lady roles. Same thing, same energy. There was something there.

I don't know. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. But anyway, so that's how I met Paul. And we're talking like 1989. Right. Maybe. So you're in Missouri when you know each other.

And do you say to each other, I want to be an actor? So do I? Paul decides he wants to be an actor. He transfers from the University of Kansas to the American Academy of Dramatic Arts in Pasadena. That's where he meets Adam. Right. I see. Adam's the California kid that gets...

California kid who came down from Santa Cruz. And then we all... This would have been in the early 90s. I graduate college. I come out here in 94, 95, something like that. And we're all... There's this little percolating group of friends that nobody has a job.

Well, that's what I'm kind of... Except Paul. Paul was already famous. Like he had gotten early success with whatever it was... Romeo and Juliet, maybe? Yeah. Clueless and Romeo and Juliet kind of were back to back. But what's fascinating is you, unlike some other people who like go through a pipeline

before you start working like, you know, the, like a Juilliard Conservatory or like Second City or whatever, you kind of go cold into L.A. Like come in, arrive. I knew one person, Paul. That was it. And I had an aunt and uncle that lived out here. So I had a place to stay. Yeah.

And then I moved, you know, I found an apartment, found a house to live in, out. Silver Lake, which was very, you know, urban pioneering back then. Wasn't cool. I mean, it was cool, but it was very out on the edge. Yeah. The swing you took to come out here is very impressive to me because it is like, did you grow up knowing any actors? Did you know anyone that was an actor?

No. And did you, when you were in high school and like, like, when did you, did you do plays? Were you like the jock that did plays? Yeah. My high school was one of those magical places that you were. just encouraged to do everything. You weren't siloed. If you were a jock, you weren't just that. Yeah. And it was small, but everybody kind of knew each other. My graduating class was 95 kids. Yeah. So I knew everybody in my class. And we were kind of all friends. Like you were friends with the violin

kid and you were friends with the weird, beautiful artist and the kid that could sing opera somehow at 16. You know, there was a lot of talented kids there. And in fact, from my school, Ellie Kemper. Yes. Was one of my students when I went back to teach. I know. So great. Heather Goldenhersh, who was Tony nominated actress.

Stephanie Sanditz, Leslie Stevens, all these kids that Sarah Clark, who was in my class, who was on 24, who dated Paul Rudd, believe or not. So we had this kind of weird, concentrated energy that was very creative, but we were encouraged. So it was, I didn't know any actor. but I thought, well, why not me? And they were like, we need a Willie Loman. We need a tired salesman. We need an 18-year-old Willie Loman

with the weight of the world on his shoulders. Ham will do it. Do you ever feel, though, that you, like, could have been a... Were you ever good in a sport enough that you had, like, dreams, like, every... I thought I was going to be a... I thought, because also the other half of my growing up was my best friend John Simmons's dad. was a professional baseball player.

So I was like... So you knew a professional baseball player. I didn't know a professional baseball player. And I was like, man, one of these days, me and John Simmons were going to be, we're going to play for the Cardinals together, probably. What position did you play? I was a catcher. You were, catcher.

Yeah. I always think of the catchers as the little little people. Yeah. No, I was kind of the, I was always, I was always this shape. I was always lanky. Mm-hmm. Lanky? Yeah, right? Wouldn't you say I'm lanky?

Kind of lanky? I mean, I don't want to describe your body back to you, but I wouldn't use lanky. I feel lanky. Yeah. Am I using that word wrong? Well, I'm long-limbed and... But I feel like you've got shoulders. I feel like to carry the weight of the world.

You need it for your briefcase. All the both of the sample cases that I... Oh, God. Okay, so Catcher, which I have to say, In all the, I used to play softball, in all the positions, my two favorite positions were catcher and second base. Interesting. Catcher because I felt like catcher, catcher's the captain.

Yeah, you're in every play. Yeah, you're in every play and you're kind of like a coach in a way. Yeah, a little bit. You tell her everywhere to go and you're running the room. That's what I liked about it too. And second base for almost the opposite reason, which is you were like, I don't, I thought you had it. Like second base is a little bit like shortstop over here, right heels.

Like, you know, you're just like, And honestly, in the hierarchy of who gets to call like a pop-up, second base is like the last. Yeah, second base is like, I wanted to get it. I just was over, I thought. Closer to you. But you can chat, you can chit-chat a lot in second base. And a short throw, short throw to first.

Oh, yeah. I mean, I didn't have the arm. I never had the arm, but I had the mouth. I bet. You see. Okay. So there was a party that was like, I'm going to catch for the Cardinals. And then.

Yeah. And then, but here's what it really was. is that I realized probably even when I was still in high school, I was like, oh, there's people that are way better than me at this. Like way, way, way better than me at this. Yeah, yeah. And so I kind of like, I was early disabused of that notion. Yeah.

Very, very, just it was kind of like, yeah. Yeah. And also I realized that, and I have a lot of friends now that are professional athletes. And you're like, it's a job. Yeah, big time. It's 24-7, even in the off season, you're training or training. So you better love it. I know.

And I was like, I like it. Yeah. I don't love it. I know. And with sports, when I watched sports or even when I played sports, I was, I didn't feel like I was playing or watching to like know how to do it for life. You were enjoying it. Yes. It's like a hobby.

But with television and film, I definitely watched it very intently. Oh, me too. Yeah. So to put a point on the end of that story. like not loving, not loving it enough to want to do it professionally. I love what I do now. Yeah. I mean, I really do.

Yeah. And getting to do things like SNL and getting to produce and develop stuff. Yeah. And getting to have this kind of length and breadth of a career that you can look back on and go, man, I'm pretty proud of that stuff. Yeah. I love that. You did Shakespeare in, do you do Shakespeare in theater? Yeah.

In college. Yeah. Do you understand Shakespeare? What's happening there? I thought it was pronounced Hamlet. Apparently it's Hamnet. Yes, I just found out it was Hamnet. I did.

I really loved reading. This is part of when I kind of figured out maybe I was going to be an actor. Is that I would read plays as a little, I read like a banana's weirdo when I was a kid. You were big reader? Because I was a single mom and an only child. Yes. So that was it. There were no internet.

there were no phones, video games were rudimentary. Yeah. So it was about reading and we had tons of books everywhere. And I had a library card. So I would go to the library, I would check out books, I would check out comedy records. Yes. Those are the two things that I got. What did you check out?

Do you remember? I mean, it was bananas that I was a seven-year-old boy and I had like Richard Pryor records. Yeah. The name of which I will not say out loud. Yeah. But you can find out what it's called. Yeah. And but also like Steve Martin, Bob Newhart, George Carlin, like just the stuff that was, whatever was there.

And what were your series? What books were you reading? Like what kind of series did you love as a kid? I read, there wasn't really, I don't remember there being like, YA, you know, stuff like that. It wasn't really like. I mean, I feel like Little House in the Prairie was for us. Kind of like. Kind of.

Yeah. Which I didn't really read. It was kind of for girls. I know it's for girls. But I read. It's for boys too. It is for everyone. It's a lovely story.

By the way, I did read, I did read those. I read plays. And it was, it was something that I would, I don't know why I was attracted to them or whatever. I think I was, you said earlier about watching TV and like watching it to learn about it. And that was what I thought the plays were. And I would read them and I would read them out loud to myself.

Yes. So my mom was like, you're, you're a weird kid. But it was, I would, that was the, Looking back, I think that was the first time I would think, oh, maybe I want to do this for real. Your mom passed away when you were young, when you were 10. What was she like? She was a professional secretary. She was a very accomplished lady.

She was the oldest of six kids. She was, I don't know, she was my mom, you know, it was like one of those. I loved her. We had an amazing relationship. I say this to people all the time. There's never a good time to lose a parent. It stinks. It just does.

I lost my mom when I was 10, my dad when I was 20. But I have friends that are our age now that just lost their parents that are just as devastated. Yeah. So it was brief, but it was significant. Yeah. My relationship with her. And I still have probably the closest family member in my life is my aunt. and her younger sister, who was the cool aunt because she moved out here to California.

Yeah. And that's you lived with when you came out here? Yeah, my aunt Sue. Yeah, yeah. Because, I mean, it feels like Hambones, the theme of a lot of your work and the things you do is like finding your family. Like, collecting them, choosing them, making it. Like, and you're in a business that does that too. Yeah.

You kind of, you know, it's like the circus comes to town and you make new friends. and, you know, being on a show, as we both were for an extended period of time. Yeah. You definitely, you definitely forge relationships that are pretty solid, you know, and don't really dissipate once the, once the circus moves on. Yeah, I know, if you're lucky. If you're lucky. People sticker away.

And that's the thing you were talking about, I think, with the people part of it. It's like, you know, you meet, we're all kind of crazy weirdos, you know, with different talents. But boy, when you see, when certain people come through your orbit and you're like, man, that person's amazing at that. Well, you must feel that way about people, too, because, I mean, do you ever get this feeling? I get this feeling a lot where, like, I meet somebody and I'm like, oh, I, you know, we've known each other before in another way, right? A lot. And I kind of, am I wrong that slattery feels like that for you? Yeah.

That's my big brother. If I had a big brother, it would be him. I was just watching. I have not watched Mad Men back since. I just finished. And I think I say sometimes on this podcast, the best thing about knowing other actors is sometimes you get to text them and be like, I'm watching your show right now.

You're so good. And I think I just did that TV recently. You watched it. Well, that must have been the impetus for me starting it. because Anna, my wife Anna and I hadn't really, I hadn't watched it back since the first time. And so we're on like episode five or six now. And I text immediately text. What happens? Don't tell me.

I texted slide, took a picture of it and texted slattery. It was just like, remember this day? It was the first day we shot. And I just remember all that stuff. And it was wild. It was very wild. Obviously that was 20 years ago, 15 years ago. 20 years ago.

Well, we, I don't usually bring this up early in the podcast, but I will now because it makes sense. So, you know, we do this thing where we talk well behind somebody's back before, and we talked to slattery today. And he's the best and he loves you. And we talked about just that about, and it's funny because I said, do you feel like a big brother to John? And he said, in a very big brotherly way, he was like, I feel like we're equals.

I feel like I learn as much from John as he learns from me. I feel like I'm not teaching him things. I just feel like we're... But that's also a very big brother thing to say, by the way. Yeah, and I mean, part of it was, you know, it's funny for me, too, because I remember the first couple episodes or the first season of shooting the show. And his son, Harry, was six, as was Kiernan, played my daughter on the show, Sally. And now they're 26.

Yeah. This lightning and bottle thing that just all of a sudden happens. I point to Mad Men and think, like, I worked very hard to get in that room. Well, I think a lot of people know this. You worked hard and you grind, you were really grinding. For sure. Like you were working probably for 10 years in a lot of different things. Not quite 10, but a solid six or seven years as a working actor on stuff that nobody watched.

Just stuff. Did you ever get close to stuff where you were? Everything. I was the other guy in every thing. And in fact, the year I got Madman, I had, I had. tested when we used to do that seven times. I'd gone to the network, the last step before you get hired, seven times. For seven different projects? Seven different projects. Oh, four, seven. What do you, do you remember what some of them were? I don't. Yeah, they were like sitcoms and stuff. Yeah. Yeah.

That, you know, and in the old days, now it just feels like everything gets produced. In the old days, it was like they'd do a pilot, they'd test it, they'd see if it worked, maybe you'd get fired. which I did on several occasions. And it's such a banana's way to do it. But that was how it was. And the madman audition process you've talked about many times. It was arduous. Arduous.

I started at the very, very bottom. The first audition was a pre-read, just reading with the casting directors. They didn't know my work. Not that they would. And it was in Santa Monica. and I lived in Silver Lake. So it was like an hour and a half to get across town in the rain on a Friday.

And I met them. And there was another kid sitting in the waiting room. And he was like, it's like a 16, 17 year old kid. And I was like, man, the right place. He goes, are you here for the toothpaste ad? I go, what? No. Then it was like, what toothpaste?

They're looking for somebody? They're looking for an older guy. They're going on the shoulder and breast a team. And it was literally they were casting a, the other room was a casting a commercial. And they were like, no, no, no, we're in here. Hi, sorry, sorry. And I was like, hi, nice to meet you. Wow.

The next day was another one of those. A few days later was then more and more people are in the waiting room. Then you start to see people that have signed up. You're like, recognize that guy's name. He was on sports night. He'll probably get it. Yeah. And it was that, that, that, that, that, six, seven, eight times.

And then finally I got to New York, they flew me to New York on somebody's miles. When you went in for that last one, did you? The last one was meet the executives. And Matthew Weiner, to his create credit, he goes, I go, do I have this job? Like, what's happening? You're flying into New York. Yeah. He goes, I'm going to walk you around the production office and I'm going to introduce you as Don Draper and you're going to act like you have the job.

Oh, God, that's giving me anxiety. And I was like, okay? And he's like, hey, this is our. Don, you know, it's John. I say hi to the costume designer and the hair and makeup. And we're going to do this. And he's walking me around this whole thing. And I'm like, I've not heard officially from anybody anything.

Oh, my God. So then we go to meet the executives from AMC who are these four very young executives. Yeah, AMC was a young company. Brand new. Brand new. Hadn done anything. We go and we have drinks and we're having a drink. And I'm with Matt and Scott Hornbach are the two producers and the three executives and kind of holding my drink.

And I'm like, what are we, what is this? What are we doing? If this is a prank, this is the most elaborate, meanest prank. Yeah. And so we're having drinks and they're like, here's to the show. And I'm like, yeah, here's to the show. And I drink the drink and we go and, and, and I'm like, we get it into the elevator. They still haven't said anything.

And the lady who's in charge finally turns to me because you know you got the job, right? Oh, my God. No, I didn't. This would have been way more fun earlier when we were having drinks to toast and said, no, we didn't. And if we'd go down the elevator, and the elevator doors opened up, there was a million paparazzi in the lobby of the Maritime Hotel. And I'm like, oh, my God. Like, wow, that was fast. Like, holy shit.

But they're all speaking German. I'm not making this up. In the elevator with me was a very famous German football player named Franz Beckenbauer. or one of the like lions of the German Bundesliga, what have you. And I was like, oh, it's there for him. You're like, guys, guys, guys, I'm not giving interviews yet. Not yet. Let me get to the post.

Oh, in German? Yeah, that's him. Okay, just a few mad at my questions. I know, you know, the show is, I just, John. That part, you, that writing, that show, that show, that, show is Hall of Fame. Thank you. And Hall of Fame performance.

I don't disagree. I think it's a great show. I was I was pleasantly surprised watching it back to not be mortified. I'm so happy to hear that because it is just pristine. And your performance is so good, so measured, so controlled. And it like all the characters in the show starts to unravel in the perfect way. It does pay off. That's what's really, I think, really nice about the show is that.

As it does unravel, it kind of is a satisfying payoff for kind of everybody. Thematically, this idea that like the character of John Draper is being presented in this way, which we like project all this stuff on him, just like we would any ad, any version of like a person. And then we realize he is a person. Like we all are like, but. Heavily flawed. Heavily flawed. But yet what I love about the show is people change, but not a lot.

Yeah. So there's never, like, match. Matt has said, and I think it's a great way to describe it. He said, I want people to realize that the characters are going to be just a little bit better at the end. Just a little bit. Yeah, a little bit. You know, just a little change. And Don, my God, you know, the whole arc of the final season is him sort of shedding everything, his family, his job, his stuff.

Yeah. And he ends up on the end of the continent. Yeah. At the very end of the continent. And that's kind of when he realizes like, oh, wait, I'm really good at this job. I should probably just go back and do the job that I'm really good at. And my question to you is having rewatched, and I don't know if you remember, but at the end, your, Don lets everything go. Can you just tell me about the scene in the group, the group therapy scene where that wonderful day player, sorry, I don't know his name, actor, breaks down.

he feels invisible. Can you tell me about that day? And reading that because that's a big scene to do at the end of seven seasons with someone who's not, you don't know. I don't, I don't, that was the whole last half of that season for me, was being away from everybody that I had spent 90 other episodes with. That's right. That's right. Sladdy and I did our last scene. It's kind of a, it's kind of a weird little nothing. scene. It was just us in a bar talking about something. And I said, you know, this is our last scene together. And he goes, what? Because it was like three episodes with what we were done. He's like, no, it isn't. I go, he goes, no. I go, yeah. And it was, it's kind of great that it's just

that moment. It's just, that's what it is. And then you don't see that guy. So there was a lot of that stuff for me. And a lot of, a lot of, it was tremendously difficult. Yeah. Because I was handling a lot of personal Mishigas in my life, a lot of craziness. And just being on a show for that long is a lot. And saying goodbye to it. Saying goodbye to it. It's a grief. It's a grieving process.

You know it very well. So that particular scene, and we were, we shot out of order. That wasn't the last thing we shot, obviously. But we were on location. Yeah. We were up in Big Sur. Yeah. So we were even physically separated from most stages,

all the stuff. Or trailers. I was living in a hotel. Like it was, so it was like four or five days in a row up there. And it was heavy. It was super heavy work. Yeah.

You, I very much felt the weight of the end of the show. Yeah. And the responsibility of like, don't fuck this up. You can fuck anything else up, but you cannot fuck this up. This is the end of a, very, very, very long story. And if you shit the bed on this, it's not going to, that will be what you are known for.

But I do remember that thinking that this kid is killing it. He was wonderful. And everyone in that, there were a lot of like writers interspersed in the group. And for those people that have never watched Mad Men, don't listen to this part. But it is, there is a moment, not to give too much away for people that haven't seen it. But I mean, it has been 20 years. But where John is like. gone basically to like an Esselin like retreat and to basically like to your point,

he's lost everything and he's in what is an early version of group therapy and the closest he's ever had to actually really truly sitting in his feelings. And a man, another man who he doesn't know is expressing this thing that Don understands really well. Deep dissatisfaction, deep un what's the right word? Unworthiness. Like not being seen and not being loved. Invisibility you said earlier, that whole kind of thing. And there's a refrigerator and all this.

It's like it's a beautiful piece of writing. And it's an incredibly emotional moment not only for this man but for Dawn and there's a connection that they have. Okay, well I want to slow it down because, you know, I like to talk to the TV. By the way, I did not know that, but I can imagine it. I'm an old lady. I can imagine a mom. I also am an old person in a younger person's body.

But I paused in this moment and I was just like, this is John Han. I was like, this is like the moment when you approach and hug that man is such good acting. It's like John. It's so, so good. you did stick the landing. You nailed it. I felt very, very good about what I did on the show. And it was like masculinity, which a lot of the show is about.

And we are all like, look like John Draper, John Hamm, Amy Poehler, we're all like living in a patriarchal world and trying to figure it out and suffering in different ways. That moment when like two strangers, men of that generation are hugging, It's so moving. Well, and it's because you don't really, Don gets there under such duress, and it's such a strange journey that he ends up there,

and he's lost this connection with his job, his family, his everything. It's really the Siddarta kind of moment of just shed everything and to discover who you really are. And there's a moment, and of course, the opening sequence of the show is this man falling out of a building, and everyone's like, this is where he does it. He's going to jump off the cliff. He's going to kill himself.

This is the end of the show. He's going to die. Right. And it could have gone that way. I think there's a version of this story where Don doesn't get it and doesn't allow himself to understand it and is so overcome with his emotion and his feeling of inadequacy and failure and what he has failed at as a husband, as a friend, as a father, as a fill in the blank, that he does do that. but he doesn't yeah he kind of takes it in takes the moment feels the feelings for real and has the moment of clarity where he goes like you know and it's beautifully rendered with the coke the coke ad and the iconic kind of moment of this and it's like this is who I am I'm an ad man so he goes do you

think he goes back yeah and what do you think happens for the rest of his life like what is What is the last act of Don's life? What do you think it is? Lung cancer. Yes. I mean, for sure. I think he goes back. He is a successful advertising executive, and I think he finds happiness and peace.

I think he connects with his children. Yes. As we know, Betty passes away. Yeah. You in January. You and January. January, you and Lizzie, you and Slattery, you and Christina. Incredibly, incredibly lucky.

One of my favorite scenes in the whole show is the scene between, I can't remember, I think it's season five, season four, where we see Don and Joan kind of going out on a night on the town. It's incredible. I mean, Don and Joan never had enough scenes together as far as I was concerned. That's what kind of made it great, is that there was like two or three. Everyone in that show is just pitch perfect. And you brought up the smoking.

What did you have to smoke? They were like those fake herbal cigarettes. But I think somebody did, somebody watched the pilot just to watch how many cigarettes I smoke. And I think it was something like 80 in a one hour pilot. So Parks and Recreation and Mad Men were on at the same time. We were, we were fellow travelers. And we shared, you and I shared two things. We shared a production designer and Dan Bishop who did your show and did, we used to brag like, oh, the bull

pen of, you know, the offices of Parks and Rec were designed by the same guy that did Mad Men. People were like, cool. I can tell. That was a big brag. We were like, and he's a genius. Love Dan. Yeah, he's a great guy. And the other thing is that you and I were at award shows many, many times.

On the losing end. On the losing end. And so I got to get to Slattery's question. Sorry, I'm all over the place. But I got to get Slattery's question. But before that, let's talk about Losers Lounge, which you mentioned. very beginning. What was it? The Losers Lounge was a thing that we decided to do after being fed up with losing. Yeah. Like, let's take, let's turn this frown upside down. Yeah.

Let's not live in the... We're not losers. We're winners. We're winners. Only losers lose. Only losers lose. Only losers lose. And we are not losers. No way. So we decided that. And I still think this is a great idea. I think we should have patented it and I think it should have been permanent. Yeah. that because also any awards night there's way more people that lost than one oh yeah so we decided that there should be a celebratory place for the losers to hang out the losers lounge and if you wanted to come and you were a winner and you had a statue in your hand you had to pay yeah you had to pay up you had to pay up to charity it was all a charity thing was a lovely charity worldwide orphans I believe it was that's right

and the rest of us could get in and have a good time for free and it was a fun part party. We, so we threw a party a couple years in a row. Soho house, I think it was, a couple different places. We had a dance off. We had a pants off dance off. And everybody wanted to get in. And the highlight for me was, I think I told you the story, the highlight for me at the Emmys was the great, my hero, idol, Francis McDormand, won for, I believe it was maybe Olive Kidridge or one of the many incredible things. She's done. She won. And as she was walking up the aisle with her Emmy, she turned me and she goes, does this mean I can't go to the losers lounge? And you said, yeah. And I was like, yeah, you're going to have to pay. And I was like,

she did. She did. She came and paid. Um, that time of like being at those places together and losing was so fun because, of course, who cares? And also, everyone's work was so great. Everyone was such a fan of everybody's work. We were all doing great stuff because Tina was on 30 Rock at the time. You were doing parks. I was doing Madman. We had that one crazy fun night. I broke my toe. Well, you broke your toe. Uh-oh. And we were like you and me and Tina and Claire Danes and we were all like dancing like insane people. Yeah. Like it was the last night on earth.

Yeah. And I was, I had to get on a plane the next day. And it describes like getting on a plane and like looking at the floor and there's like a pile of hair. She was like, what happened? I'm going to beat that. I had just had my second child. Oh my God, I know. And I flew in for the weekend because I was, well, yeah, I must, I forget. I was in New York and I flew.

I flew to California for the thing. I broke my toe on the banquette dancing. I'm a mother of two. I can't. Two very young, young children. I can't walk in the airport. I'm like, I wake up the next morning. I'm like, I can't walk.

Oh, boy. I have to get on a plane. I mean, I. I put like a hat on and sunglasses and like tape my toe and like try to walk to the and I'm like I can't get a wheelchair this is like too much

so I'm like walking and I hear Amy and I look and it's Bradley Cooper the lovely and he goes Amy and I'm like hey and I look at my head and he's like No it's not Amy I'm like hey Bradley he's like are you okay and I'm like no I'm very very bad

I'm very bad I'm very very bad Okay. And so he has to hold me like an old, like, talk about old lady. Like hold my elbow while like we shuffle in. I got a little escort. That's nice. I got an A-Lister escort. Wow.

That was a fun night. Amy? The last thing you want, the last word you wanted to hear. Oh, but, but worth it. Worth it. Worth it. I will never forget that night. Lauren was there and then moving and grooving.

We had a time. We had a time. Okay. Let's talk about. about you hosting SNL, though. And I mean, are you a five-timer? Four. I just had my fourth.

I took, I did three and two years. Mm-hmm. Took a 15-year I had us. Yeah. And came back this last, this last year. It's been said, and I think, I've been listening to Seth's thing with Andy and the boys. Yeah, me too. Oh, you were on it too, I think, right?

Yeah. That was an amazing. Your time there was an amazing time. They're all great. you can't you literally can't stack them up against another because they're all different and they're all great but it was so fun to be there with you with Maya Bill Fred yeah Will Kristen yeah I mean Seth those guys you guys were I felt like we were just talk about speaking the same language it was like I felt so comfortable there which was

you know, part of, part of it was you're a guest in somebody's home. So you don't want to be too comfortable where you're kind of being shitty. But I really did feel welcomed there. I mean, because first of all, I'm sure you've told this story, but pitch on Monday, my first time hosting, you guys all roll in in costume. Oh, that's right. Let's tell that story. Madman costume. We all decide to dress up as the people from Madman.

for pitch. 60s gear for pitch Monday night, which is 35 people in a room, maybe a little bit bigger than this. Yeah. So sitting on the floor, on the sofa, everything, everyone is in 1960s period gear. Yeah.

Hater was in drag. Oh yeah. Lutz was in drag as Joan. Lutz was Joan. John Lutz. Riter. Paula Pell had a cigarette taped to her finger because she didn't know how to smoke,

so she's like, I just taping. And she would pitch like, this. I didn't know this wasn't normal. Right. I was like, this is okay. They're like, wow, they really pull it out on Mondays. I thought it was a whole thing. Okay, well, nice. This is so fun. And that was the beginning of a wonderful relationship, not only with that show, but with so many of you guys sitting around that whole week, shooting with Jim Signorelli, you're 95 months pregnant. Yeah. And we've told the story a million million times, but the fast version is, Friday.

I was supposed to do the show on Saturday and then give birth on something. And there was no doubt in your mind that you were not having this baby before. You were like, I'm, that'll be fine. Women listening, it's, you know, your first kid, you assume you're going to be at least a few days late. I was weirdly feeling good.

I was told you're not going to be giving birth on before your due date. No way. Go finish your last show. Kill it on Saturday. Put your feet up. Yeah, my first lesson in mother ang, which was like, nope, nothing goes the way you think it's going to go. And I really did think I would do the show on Saturday and then give birth on Sunday.

And Friday night, we were shooting Friday night. And we were doing like a pre-tap and I got a call for my OBGYN. Office of your OBGYN. OBGYN's office, my beloved OBGYN passed away that night. And so, you know, for people who don't know, you get really connected to your doctor and you kind of kind of think about your birth plan and you think about how it's going to go and all of a sudden, you know, you realize, well, you realize two things. One is that a lot of people can deliver a baby. Yeah.

And two. Seth had one in a lobby. That's right. Seth had his in a lobby. That's right. But he didn't have it. No, he didn't. Very true.

He didn't have it. No, he didn't. He wore the same jeans that day that he wore the next day. Yes, he did. No, but. Yeah, a lot of people can do this. It's not the end of the world. the news and my OBG went and died.

I started to cry. I mean, heavy sobbing. Right, which is horrifying, a giant pregnant woman crying. It's really scary. And Ham leaned in and said, I know this is hard for you. I'm really, really sad. But this is a big fucking deal for me.

So you better, you better pull your shit together. And that's the face she made immediately, which I was like, talk about in the world of big swings. That's a big one. That to me is, and I've written about it. That's why you had the baby.

That's something happened because you laughed that hard. I think so. I think a big hard laugh. Oh, I was like, please let this go. Please let this go well. And to me, the crying to laughing, switcheroo, that's like, we get a funeral life where we're really, really deeply sad. And then someone says something to make us laugh.

And those two against each other feels like, I think it extends your life. night was like, because everybody's so punchy by then. Mm-hmm. It was, and I was, I wouldn't, you couldn't drag me out of that studio. I was having the greatest time. Yeah. I mean, it, now it brings me to Slattery's question, which is, which I thought was just such a sweet question, which is, and kind of back to what we were talking about,

about this idea of like finding community and family and places, all different kinds of places. But he was, his question to you, his question was like, who do you look for for answers when you're feeling frazzled or lost. Because I was saying you have a big brother, you have a big brother vibe with a lot of people. He feels like a big brother to you, but he was saying, I feel like I, I think a lot about like what would John do here? Like he takes a lot of counsel from you. Who do you look? Where do you go? Where do you look for? That's a really good question. I don't have a, I don't think I have a go-to, honestly. I've been on my own in one where,

another for a very long time. So I am very self-dependent. I think part of my therapeutic journey has been sometimes to a fault where I won't reach out. I got it. Yeah. I'm learning to get better at that for sure. But people like Lauren, for sure, Lauren, I've definitely reached out too when I've had instability in my life. And, you know, part of the magic of that man is that he's so inscrutable and so Canadian that it's a koan in some way. You know, you get some kind of weird thing. Wait, did you say koan?

Yeah, like a Zen koan, you know what that is? It's like a saying that, you know. How do you spell that? K-O-A-N. I don't know that word. Sorry. Co-an. I'll be interested

because I don't have a great definition. Yes, a paradoxical anecdote question or dialogue. Yeah. Well done. Okay. So he'll say, well, you know, eventually you'll just be on the T-shirt. And you're like, what? You know, it's that thing where you let go and suddenly you're finding yourself on Mulholland.

And then maybe Mick will come by and you'll say, go great. Everybody does it. It's so great. But people like that. I find that I very much enjoy talking to my elders. Yeah. I was not to be super name-droppy, but last night had an amazing dinner at the Bruckheimer's house.

Jerry Breckheimer, who produced Top Gun. I think you've worked for Jerry. They have? Have you? Not that, to my knowledge. The squeakles, no? Oh, he was, yeah, I never met Jerry in the booth when I was Eleanor in the squeakwell. Fair enough.

But Jerry, thanks for the job. Didn't know that you were the person that hired me. Thank you for the job. Thank you for the job. Sorry that I dressed up as Eleanor when I came in for the audition. You've been in some monster hits. Bridesmaids, the town. Bridesmaids, you're so funny in it.

What a funny, what an incredible movie. Yeah. I mean, some fun movies, for sure. Some big fun movies. I love. How did you learn how to do a body? Boston accent. How did you... I don't know. Like anybody, it just...

Not like anybody. People can't do it really well. Well, I mean, I famously did it in the town, but I was making fun of Ben. That was the, that was part of why it was easy for me. My guy wasn't supposed to be from Boston. Right. When I met all those FBI guys. Yeah. None of them, the Boston PD guys are from Boston. Yeah.

Well, even the way you're saying Boston is the correct way to say. Well, I, trust me, we were immersed in Boston. Oh, yeah. You do a movie. Boston, everybody's in the movie. Yes, indeed. Your cousin, your uncle, everybody, your friend. And talk about making a movie about Charlestown, holy, holy. Yeah. Talk about the guys coming out of the world.

You've been told me we were going to, you're going to cast Tommy and the other guy. Yeah. My friend Tommy's here. We're here. Where's the paycheck? Yeah. And where's craft service? Yeah. That's boss. And you're like, nobody's, nobody said you could be in. Yeah, they said we're in the job. Don't work. Yeah.

Yeah. You're like, okay. We had guys that would show up and then were like, oh, but I can't shoot here. I'm on parole. I guess it's too close to a bank. You're like, okay. Sorry. Oh, man.

There were some characters. And it was a blast. It was a blast. And what about 30 Rock working there? Tina Faye. The show? Tina, discuss. Tina, I credit Tina,

along with Lauren for allowing me to be in comedies. Nobody thought, it's not like when you do Mad Men, they're like, I bet that guy's real funny. He's probably got a bunch of impressions and bits and jokes. True. You're very serious in Mad Men. I mean, yes. So when Lauren asked me to host the show,

I was like, oh my God, that's the only thing I've ever wanted to do since I was, since ever was beyond Saturday Night Live. So I was very excited. And then as we discussed, you guys very welcoming. Here we are. Everyone's in costume. It's very funny. You know, read through that week is a packet of 50.

I think you were right next to me. I can't remember where you sat. So, so fun. And then I remember, I think it was after read-through, or maybe it was on Thursday. But I was going down to eight to do blocking something. And the phone in my, in the dressing room rings. Jesus, that's weird.

It's like when a hotel phone rings. You're like, who's calling me? Who's calling in the room? This is very weird. And I picked it up. I was like, hello? Is it John? Yeah.

Well, yeah. Hi. It's Robert Carlock. We just want to know if you wanted to come do this thing on 30 Rock. It's kind of a love interest for Liz. and we're, I was like, huh? Like the other thing that I wanted to be on is that. And Tina, unbeknownst to me, had called Lauren after readthrough and said, is this guy funny?

How is this guy? As Tina is want to do, like, give me the straight dope. And Lauren, yeah. I mean, it's like when you're in that space. You'll like him. We were on parallel tracks. Like, we shot our pilots in the same studio. at Silver Cup.

Right. So we kind of, we were, and they were winning for comedy, and we were winning for drama. And it was like, Mad Men, 30 Rock, Mad Men, 30 Rock. It was great. Well, you were winning, but they were winning. That's the show. You were in the Losers Lounge. No, Loser's Lounge, thank you.

Tina's love language is writing incredible material that you get to do. Like, that's like how she, like, it's like, it's the nicest gift is that she gives you pages. I recently got a text from Tina that was the beginning. of my character arc on the show, where I played a perfectly normal human being. Now, cut to season whatever where I have two hooks for hands and the reason I have hooks for hands is because I thought I recognized my old football coach when I was getting out of a helicopter and I waved. Yeah. Twice. So she was like, remember when this guy was a normal person?

I was like, well, it didn't last long. Okay. And then the last thing, Ham, I want to ask you about because I love it is I loved you at the Super Bowl enjoying Bad Bunny. And I love people, Bad Bunny came at a time where for a lot of people it was like, we were, you know, we're looking for something. Something. Any expression of joy would be helpful.

Any, exactly. Any artistic expression of joy. I know you are a huge fan. of his, you went to, like, what was it like watching that? And tell me why he's important to you. Here's why. My wife, Anna, who I met on the last episode of Madman. Okay, can you tell everybody who she played in the last episode of Madman? She plays the receptionist of the Esselin-like place, the girl with the pigtails. Incredible. Who then gets put in the Coca-Cola commercial. Yes. So this woman clearly has an effect on Don and clearly had an effect on John.

we ended up getting married at the same place, same location. No. Yes, ma'am. They better giving you that for free. We worked out at night. Incredible. It was a beautiful, magical experience and lovely. So Anna had gone to Columbia with her sister and her best friend on a girl's trip.

And they would go to the dance clubs at night after dinner or whatever and shake their butts and have a good time. And they were like, there's this guy that keep playing bad bunny. No one had heard of him. This was like 2018. He wasn't even played on the reggaeton stations in L.A. or New York. No one had heard of him. And we had started to kind of see each other a little bit here and there. And we go out in New York City and they play me this bad one.

Who is this? Our text thread is called Bad Bunchies. That was just our first. And I was like, I can dig this guy's energies, sound, whatever. So over the course of our relationship. This is the soundtrack to our relationship. Oh, that's so nice. And it's, and it's, it's just organic.

It wasn't, you know, so we had heard about he had hosted the show or he was a guest on the show on S&L. Got it got to go to that. We found out he was doing this residency in Puerto Rico. And I was like, and to Anna's great credit, she's always like, what if we did that? And it was blast. Yeah. That was the first time I put viral. was in the casita.

Yeah, dancing. Dancing. Just dancing. It was fun, man. He's fun. He's fun. We had a dance party at smart girls. I love dancing.

I love dancing. Me too. And so there's, as you said, the world was a little, is a little of a bummer. A lot of a bummer. Yeah. But boy, man, for 15 minutes of that halftime show. Yeah. And what a message.

And not for nothing, you forget that he had to perform that. No kidding. I mean, I even saw. You think like always sing along to a track or whatever. Like, no, no, no. He was jumping off a roof, climbing on a pole, spike in a football. You're like. Doing a trust fall.

Doing a trust fall. Like a real one, not a fake one. Up in the air. It's so much. 10 out of 10, no notes, perfectly executed. Then you go and you listen. to the words and you're like, oh man, that's a nice sentiment as well. Yeah.

Maybe if we look back in five years, this is the tipping board. And if it is, what a kick-ass thing to do. Yeah. Remind everybody that maybe together is a little better than siloed and apart. Yeah. And that joy is kind of great. And then there's a million ways to be an American and that music is like, like that when music does that, I feel like, I mean, I know you feel this way about music too. Like there's something about music that can shortcut in a way.

It's a universal language. They say it always because it doesn't matter what kind. It doesn't matter what it is. It can be aggressive. It can be soothing. It can be all of the things. But man, when it hits the right buttons, it feels good. One homon.

Juancito Hamoncito. Amosito Amoncito? Little Johnny Amy. Do you speak Spanish? I do speak Spanish pretty well. You do? I do pretty well. How did you learn it?

I learned it in high school and then I worked in a million restaurants in Los Angeles. Yeah. And then you get really good at kitchen Spanish. Do you have an accent? Like a, is it, do you have a... I can't use a... A bit more than the other languages that. to learn

a much years of but yeah. See? And the last question I have for you is what are you laughing at these days?

What are you watching that's making you laugh and it can be it doesn't have to be something new? You know what I watched recently that really made me laugh that I think you would really like?

Yeah? It's a show out of Canada called heated revenue. No. It's not that. That's a bit. That's called a bit. But it does have to do, it is Canadian and it does have to do the hockey. It's a show called

Shorzy. Oh, I love Shorzy. That is making me laugh. And you know what it's also making me do? Yeah. Cry. It's making, okay. She's a really, it's a great show. Okay, I've only watched clips of Shorzy because, you know, I, I, I've seen him on. 22 minutes, six episodes of season. Oh, really? Oh, I love that. You can watch all of them in a half a day. And Him, okay, let's watch. So Jared Kiso. Okay, tell me more. Was on a show, created a show called Letterkenny.

Yes. Which is a very, very Canadian show. Yes. But very specifically funny. Maybe not to everyone's taste, as things should be. Yeah, comedy is very subjective. Subjective. And the reason he did this was because he came to L.A.

And they were like, you're too Canadian, you're to this, you're to that. And he's like, fuck it. I'm going to go back on. I'm going to make my own show. And he did. And then he spun it off into this thing, Shorsey. And it's Shorzy's about this kind of local hero legend. He plays on the local men's hockey team.

And it's kind of the point of pride for the small town in northern Ontario that they live called Sudbury. And over the course of the series, they win the championship. Then he becomes a coach and he tries to teach the kids. And it's a tremendous show because it highlights most of the people in power that are running things are women. Many of them are First Nations, indigenous Canadians. And it's not made a big deal up. It just is. And his relationship to all of that while being this bruiser is very soft.

Yes, yes. I mean, I've seen. He's got this real high-pitched voice. and it's really kind of funny. And he always interrupts people. They're always interrupting. They're always, and their overlapping dialogue is really funny.

It's tremendous. It's a tremendously ambitious show that delivers. So I'm trying to pump their tires a little bit. I want to find out the scenes where he's hitting on, uh, Oh, when he hits on the girl who he really loves. It's so,

I'll make you feel. I'll make you so happy. Okay, that's the stuff that I see. And it's so funny. It's such a funny move. But it's also like, it's also, deeply sentimental and heartfelt.

Agreed. That was what I was like, oh, I want to watch the show because his move, his comedy move is like, I'm going to love you so hard. And she's just like, I'm not interested. And it's so good. Sure, you're going to want to enjoy the perks that come along with that. It's summer and Sunday. It's not fucking play Adel Carmen. We know what's going on. It's a fucking bello Horizonte. I'm ready to take things to the next level. But I need to be sure that you're sure.

Oh. So good. So good. Such a good show. Okay, we're going to check that out. Well, John Hamm. Amy Polar Bear. Buddy, I don't have a lot of straight men on the show. So, consider yourself. I break down a lot of doors, a lot of walls.

You know, that's nice. You know, and I should probably... But the guys you do are great, our buddies, too. Great. All of our buddies. Yeah, I know. All of our buddies. It's nice to be, first of all, it's so great to see you. I really do miss you.

We don't hang out enough, but I'm glad we got this one in. Same. You are the best in the biz and consistently make me smile and happy, and I look forward to your new show, which I know is coming out. I was talking to Shire about that. Oh, my God, we didn't even talk about your friends and neighbors. Season 3 coming out. It's so great.

It's so funny. Congratulations on another big hit show for Apple. Yeah, season three starting. We'll start shooting out in, uh, in, uh, Late April, season two will come out in early April, and it's very fun. It's so fun stuff. Shooting in New York City. I know, but lots of nights.

Yeah, lots of nights. I saw on that first season, I was like, oh, you have to break in at nighttime. They almost broke me on that one. I bet. I was like, we got to find a way to break into these houses during the day. Well, I'm very happy to call myself one of your chosen sisters, Ham. You are, girl. I'm happy to be one of them, so thanks for doing this.

Thank you, Amy. Love you, too. Thank you so much, John Hamm. It was so good to have you and see you. And I love talking to you. And, you know, John and I talked about a lot of things. And I mentioned a very brief anecdote about probably my favorite actress, Francis McDormand. And so for this polar plunge, I just wanted to remind you all how great she is. I just rewatched Nomadland the other night. And oh, God, that is a good performance. She's just good in everything. She's so interesting and smart and just so cool. And Francis, if you're listening, I love you. Never change, please. I'm just a big fan of your work.

And check out Francis's work. You know, it's these kind of polar plunges. Thank you, Francis, for your work. And thank you John Hamm for coming today and for your work. And thank you just for our, oh, my God. I don't know how to end this. Okay, bye, everybody. You've been listening to Good Hang.

The executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss-Berman, and me, Amy Poehler. The show is produced by The Ringer and Paper Kite. For The Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Katz-Belaine, Kaya McMullen, and Alea Zanaris. For Paper Kite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell, and Jenna Weiss Berman. Original music by Amy Miles