Good Hang with Amy Poehler - Paul McCartney

Episode Date: October 13, 2026

Paul McCartney is music. Amy hangs with the iconic musician and talks about almost becoming the coil-winding king, being a playaholic, and if he's ever smoked Monkberry Moon Delight. Host: Amy Poehler Guests: Stella McCartney and Paul McCartney Executive producers: Bill Simmons, Amy Poehler, and Jenna Weiss-Berman For Paper Kite Productions: Executive producer Jenna Weiss-Berman, coordinator Sam Green, and supervising producer Joel Lovell For The Ringer: Supervising producers Juliet Litman, Sean Fennessey, and Mallory Rubin; video producers Jack Wilson, Aleya Zenieris, and Chris Wholers; audio producer Kaya McMullen; social producer Bridget Geerlings; video editor Drew van Steenbergen; and bookers Kat Spillane and Paige Garbarini Original music: Amy Miles Brought to you by PayPal. Learn more at https://paypal.com/payin4 Check Allstate first for a quote that could save you hundreds: https://Allstate.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Boy, we have, well, the most famous person in this studio and probably the most famous person I've ever met. Sir Paul McCartney. Paul McCartney is here, the Liverpoolian who was in the Beatles and in wings and in our lives for our whole lives. And we're going to talk about a lot of great things today. We're going to talk about whether or not Paul was taller than John. We're going to talk about Paul's love of animals. We're going to discuss what makes a great breakfast and how many berries are involved. And we are going to talk about Paul's new music, Boys of Dungeon Lane, the re-release and new songs that have just recently come out. Special edition.

We're going to get into music in general. Of course, it is Paul McCartney. Paul McCartney is music. Before we do this, we always like to speak to somebody who knows our guest, is a fan of our guest or in this case is the daughter of our guest. And we are speaking today to Stella McCartney. Stella McCartney, a huge talent, fashion designer, incredible creative mind who is just so funny and warm and witty and smart. And we got the opportunity to talk to her. And we're going to see if Stella is going to give us a good question for her dad. So, Stella. This episode of Goodhang is presented by

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I'm sorry we were having some technical difficulties. Oh no, that's good. We were having some technical difficulties also. Am I speaking to you in England? Yes. Hi, Stella. Hi, Amy. I actually like you a lot.

I can't believe it took this to get us together. I know. I've had the pleasure of being invited and dressed by you. But I've had the chance to go to many events. where you have been, where we've, I've had like a very quick drive-by. And every time I've gotten a chance to spend time with you, I've really wanted more because I'm such a fan of you, your work, your creativity, how you conduct yourself in the world. And it's really, really nice to talk to you today.

Thank you for talking to us. Lifewise, wow, that was a bit serious. That freaked me out. Yeah, it got very serious. Never do that again. Never. I know you Brits. You Brits, you can't.

one compliment and you guys get real. Honestly, I'm nearly, I vomited a tiny bit in my mouth. I know. Well, you know, get used to it. I am great. I'll take it. Are you in the middle of a, of a show right now? Are we can't, what do we care? It's perfect timing. Thanks for that. I have a show in about three days in Paris. I'm not busy at all, Amy. So, you know, with the time, just difference and everything, it's perfect. It's brilliant. I was kind of wondering what I'd do tonight. And just filled, fill the hole. I mean, what I imagine. What I imagine is. is going through your mind right now with three days to go. But at three days to go before a show, what is left to do? Is it everything? Pretty much. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, we only started last night. So I've got a lot of little, actually, I've got children I'm using to help stitch

some things now. They're not my own. She jokes. She just, obviously, I'm a sustainable, cruelty-free fashion brand. You grew up on a farm, right? I did. What was it like to grow up on a farm? What were your morning jobs? What did you have to do in the morning? Wow. Well, in Scotland with my siblings, it was normally just self-entertainment. I used to take rocks and bang them on up.

And I'm not joking. I used to take rocks and I'd bang them on other rocks. That's about it, really. No, a lot of horse riding, but rocks on rocks. Yeah. And did you have to, did you, like, I'm going to. going to admit something. This is a very like suburban city girl thing I'm going to admit. So you might think less of me. I've never reached in under a hen to get an egg. Oh, I did it all the time.

Yeah, yeah. And never particularly enjoyable. Not really one of my, a little scary. I would be a little afraid to get. Do you have to ask the hen to move first or do you? Yeah. Yeah. In fact, not many people know this about me, but I'm very good at it in person. fascinating chickens. Really? Can we hear? So I'm quite good at, I can converse with a chicken

amongst many other things. So I'm bilingual in that respect. But I did have to go out and get the eggs when I was young. Well, your parents were, like, it just seemed like they wanted so much to create a beautiful, like, peaceful and loving childhood for you. And, you know, it seemed like that's what they gave you.

And I'm talking to your dad today and you've probably spent the entirety of your life having people ask you questions and talk to you about your dad. And I wonder what it is like to have to kind of share your parents with the world. Yeah, it is quite weird. I mean, I've only ever known that, to be honest. It's not like I've had another sort of experience. That is my experience. And it's definitely trippy and weird and surreal.

But I think also I was brought up. It was very extremes. You know, we were on a farm. It was just the six of us. And we were like in a tiny, all in one room. And mom was cooking. Dad was shearing sheep and writing songs. And then we were on tour, you know,

with like 200,000 people screaming at your parents. Yeah, you all went on tour together. Yeah. Oh, how fun, how fun. Yeah, I was kind of angry when I was 18 because I was building friendships and I was kind of getting into the swing of my own thing and I was like, what, really?

We have to go on a world tour. But it's amazing. It's actually one of the most, I think the biggest privileges actually of being in my situation is being able to just truly see the world from, you know, from that perspective, just try to travel and to see so many different cultures and people and also it was all very much built from love.

You know, everything that my mum and dad did was like came from a place of love. But I'm also not particularly like a look at me type. If you can believe it. So actually when I went, for me going into fashion was a more creative way of doing things from just standing slightly behind the kind of spot. You know, I'm not an entertainer.

She says. Right. Imagine it broke into song right now. Well, we did hear a chicken impression earlier. We did hear that impression. Let me hear your chicken. And what's your animal? I'll give you, I'll be kind.

What's your best animal? I don't know. I don't know. Everyone knows their best animal. Jesus. My best animal. Okay, you know what? Okay.

I'm going to try a cat for you. Wait. Is this the first time you've ever impersonated a cat? In public, yes. Wow. Okay. Well, you're welcome. You're welcome.

And here's how I feel. about cats, they're fine. I don't love them. I don't hate them, of course. That's a cat at the door, wait a minute. All right, here we go. Okay, go. The beginning was very good. I think people are laughing because it's so good. But you bring up something that I think is very interesting. A lot of people that have public-facing jobs are actually kind of secretly introverted. People would probably be surprised to hear that you consider yourself at times introverted. I mean, I don't think, I wouldn't say I'm introverted, that's going a little bit. I'm just not, look, my example of an extrovert is Paul McCartney. So it's not like, oh, I'm an introvert. I mean, compared to him, I'm an introvert.

You know, I grew up with around S&L comedians. So I, you know, some of those, as you know, better than anything, are extra. And others really aren't, but they're still performers. Yeah. You know, I want to talk to your dad about that because he's around S&L all the time. I mean, he's basically... I can't get rid of them. I'm like, again? Really? Jesus, pay hard to get a little bit. I actually went to the one, the end of last season. It was great.

It was really good fun with Will Farrell. So he had Will on. I was like, I'm coming because, and I saw Will on your show. You guys were brilliant. And I was like, Dad, and on the way over there, I was talking, I said, Dad, please tell me you're going to like get Will on and to do the cowbell. And he was like, what cowbell? I'm like, what?

Like, you know the cowbell sketch. Anyway, so then he did, but then he got Will to do Cabell. He did. Again, you're welcome. Thank you, Stella. He didn't really give me credit, which is annoying. Well, I mean, I want to talk to him about Lauren and that relationship at SNL because you're right. I mean, he was around a lot and their affection for each other is very sweet.

Like they've, you know, I'm, I mean, honestly, you know, when you get to a point in life where you become, you know, you're friends with people for, for, for. 50, 60 years. And there's so much history there. And it's really sweet to hear them talk about each other. They are very, very good old friends, actually. I mean, they do yoga. You've heard about yoga boys, right? I like that you call them yoga boys. They're the yoga boys. They call themselves the yoga boys. The honest to God, actually, you know, I must get them T-shirts for Christmas. Yoga boys. Not even yoga men. Yoga boys. Yes, because they're always learning. They're in a, They're in a beginner's mind. Start like, for sure.

So what is a question I should ask him? Like anything, like a story that he would want to tell or something you still don't know about him or anything you think I should not talk to him about? That's always helpful too? No, he's pretty approachable, I would say. Yeah, I mean, I can think of things that you shouldn't ask him, but you won't ask him those.

And if you do, it'll be hilarious to watch. I'm just going to watch that unfold, quite frankly. I've got two questions. Am I allowed two questions? Yes, of course. The first one I think is, I guess I just want to kind of start by saying, you know, my dad is truly a living legend. Like he really is an absolute icon.

He's inspired so many generations of so many people. and his impact on, you know, planet Earth has been just gigantic. Like he continues to just give and give and give. And I think he does that through lyrics, you know. So one thing that before my question, I just wanted to read out some of my favorite and, like, you know, most meaningful lyrics by him. So I sat in the attic, a piano up my nose, and the wind played a dreadful cantata, cantata, cantata,

cantata. Saw was I from a crack of an enemy's hose and the horrible sound of tomato. Tomato. Tomato. Catch up. Ketchup. Soup and puree. Soup and puree. Don't get left behind. Don't get left behind. Ketchup. Ketchup. Soup and puree. Soup and puree. Don't get left behind. Now it continues. It continues. If you want a little more. boldly outspoken in attempts to repeat his refrain. So I stood with a knot in my stomach and I gazed at that terrible sight of two youngsters concealed in a barrel smoking monkberry moon delight. My first question, I think, for my father is, have you ever smoked monkberry moon delight? And what is it? Fantastic question. It's from my favorite album. From Ram.

which actually is my mum and dad. I think my mum shared in those lyrics, actually. I think she can take a bit of credit there too. It's called Monk Berry Moon Delight. Great. And it does go on. And in fact, there's a bit about cats and kittens there. And it's a good one.

So that's probably my first question. Has he ever smoked Monk Berry Moon Delight? And what the fuck do those lyrics mean? So that's my first question. Okay, great. What is that about? My other question, which is serious, which actually I asked my dad,

this the other day. And I want to see how he answers it to you because I was really surprised by the answer, like really surprised. And so this is my gift to you, this question, which is what is your first memory, dad? Ah, beautiful. And I really want to know what he answers to you because I was like, wow, that's great. What a great question to ask someone. I think your dad will be very happy that we talked because I hope he feels like I've gotten some good advice. I love it. I love it. that you asked me. I feel very honored. Seriously, I feel very, very honored that you ask me. Because let's face it, you could have asked anyone to ask Paul McCartney a question. And everyone would have said yes. Actually, that's amazing you asked me, Amy. Thank you. Thank you for doing it.

And we'd love to get you into the stud. I have not had a designer. And I feel like I would... Welcome. Okay, great. Good. And good luck with Dad. I hope those questions are okay. They're perfect. Well, much love to you, darling. And take care. Thank you for having me. Thanks so much for doing it. Bye, Stella. Great to see you. Thanks again.

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Hey, Amy. Do you get this a lot where people are kind of nervous around you and you feel the energy and you have to figure out how to make them feel less nervous? Like, that must be a thing you're used to. Yeah. Do you have a trick? No, exactly, yeah. trick, I don't know, just to kind of be normal.

Yeah. You know, I was lucky. I was one of those guys. I grew up with a kind of very normal family. Yeah. You know, it was one of those families where you get past the baby. Yeah. So, whereas I know some people when they grow up and they have a baby,

they're like really scared of it. It's like, oh, no, you know. So that I think I just use that. It's so funny you say that because of the many things I want to talk. you about today, you seem very comfortable around babies. Yeah, I think so. Because that iconic photo of you, I think, with Mary in your jacket, but that was so ahead of its time. Like, you, a man carrying a baby, you just never saw it. Never saw it. I mean, that was just how we used to do it. You know, I used to go riding with her like that. Yeah. On the horse. But, um, yeah. I mean,

the 70s. Well, she's now a mother of four boys. boys. Oh, man, she's busy. That little baby in my jacket. Okay, well, Palm Carty is here. You have such a wild life and timeline that is kind of like intimidating to talk to you for just an hour and a half. So if you'll bear with me, I'll probably jump around a lot. Okay. And the reason why is because I have this theory that you're a bit of a time traveler, I think. Do you believe in time travel? No. Oh, well, then forget my theory. A little bit. I feel like sometimes I wasn't the age that I was. I felt older or younger.

You can see someone about that. Amy. There's people to talk to now. I kind of know what you mean. Yeah. I mean, I felt like I feel like you're, I don't know, you seem when you were young that you were older. If that makes any sense. No, it does really.

And I used to look at the lyrics of yesterday, I'm not half the man I used to be. Suddenly, I'm not half the man I used to be. Well, I was like 21. So half the man would put me at like about 10 and a half. You were writing when I'm 64 when you were 20 something. Yeah. And you, and you, you know, were considered retired at 27 when the, like, I guess I'm interested in this idea of, Do you feel like you're an age, do you feel like there's an age that you are?

Do you feel like there's an age you feel? I kind of, I think like a lot of people, I mean, you sort of feel like you stop at about 25. Yeah. So I'm 25. Yeah. In my head. Yeah. You know, then I look in America, no, you're not.

Yeah, me too. I feel this. Yeah. But, yeah, no, I like that. I mean, we, in the Beatles, we used to have this sort of thing whenever there was like a question about a piece of music or something to do, whether we'd go on tour or whatever. And we couldn't figure out the answer.

We'd say, what would we have thought when we were 17? What would that guy have said? We're not doing it. You know, because that guy wouldn't have let us do it. Yeah. And as we grow up, we kind of go, okay, we'll do it. But it was better to listen to the 17-year-old. Because that 17-year-old was more definitive,

like more like yes and no, like more black and white? I think he was just more sensible and less, you know, less jaded by the world. Yeah. He kind of said, that's a terrible jacket. Yeah. You know, whereas I would kind of, you know, later or maybe now, I'd sort of said, yeah, it's nice jacket or lying. through my teeth.

Totally. He wouldn't do that. You're right, because I think we give a lot of, like, credence to the fact that when you get older, you get very wise and you have all this experience. But you're right. We do forget the, like, strong, truthful opinions that we have when we were young. Yeah. I mean, I've, I still kind of can't believe, Paul, that the Beatles broke up when you were 27.

You were only together for eight years. You made 13 albums. those numbers are just really wild. It felt like when you were making music as a young person, it was like you knew you were only going to be making music with this band for that long, is how it felt. Yeah, I don't think we knew it, but I think we didn't expect to go on for long

because people didn't. Right. You know, in this sort of rock and roll world. Yeah. It was like, you know, five years top work. Yeah. But then after five years, he was like, oh, no, we're doing Sergeant Pepper. Yeah.

Oh, yeah, we could probably keep going. Yeah. And then, you know, we sort of do the White album or whatever. Yeah. And then I did wings and kept going. Yeah. And it is really interesting to talk to you because you're somebody that people feel like they know a lot about. And they feel, you know, you have been in their lives.

in a million different ways. I know you've been in mind my whole life. And in many ways, Paul, you kind of represent music. Like you represent songs. Like if songs were a person and we had to go to, if we had to go into space and we had to bring one person to represent songs to the aliens, we would push you to the front.

Yeah. Here he is. Well, thank you. When are we leaving? Yeah, exactly. Let's go. Okay, so I loved Morgan Neville's doc, man on the run. Yeah.

A beautiful doc. Yeah. Did you like it? Yeah, I do, yeah. I mean, when he showed it to me first off, I said, there's a few embarrassing bits. Should we take them out? Fun. What was embarrassing?

I didn't realize that the farm we lived on was like so run down. It's a tip. You know, we were in love and we had a new baby and it was all great. And I was, you know, I could fix it up. Yeah. I'll make a table. You know, it was that kind of thing. So I didn't notice.

When you see it in the film, it's like, you lived there. Yeah. And you had some money. Yeah. You chose to live in that. So that was a little bit embarrassing. I don't know, sometimes I don't know about you. Sometimes I don't bother to think things through too seriously.

Well, that is always what we learn about you. There's so many things that I appreciate about you as an artist. One is you have a sense of humor about yourself and your work, which is a sign not only of intelligence, but it just allows us to enjoy it in many different kinds of ways, which is so nice. And also you really let us into your process. You know, a lot of people,

like to keep people out of process because it keeps them mysterious or something. And I always felt like watching you work made me feel like I could write a song. It always made me feel connected to music. And that documentary does that. It shows process. Peter Jackson's documentary, like the idea of process. And I love what you say about your work when asked if you were a workaholic or you consider yourself one. You say, well, you don't work music. What do you say when we're a Yeah, no, that's right. You know, people say, you work a lot. You know, you're always working.

I said, I'm not, you know. And I thought one day, well, we don't work music. We play music. So I'm like a playaholic. I'm definitely addicted to that. Yeah. You know, because I'm sure it's the same for you. I feel very lucky that this is my job.

Yes. You know, because when I left school, my first job was coil winding in a factory. Okay. That sounds hot and hard. So what did you have to do? Ruggard. I were rugged.

What did you have to do? Literally wind coil? Yeah. So what you have, you have a big sort of wheel with coil wire on it. It comes through your legs and you put it on like an armature thing. and keep winding it. It's like a thing they're having motors. And mine weren't very good.

Yeah. You know. But the idea was they were going to take me through all the things and then I'd be manager. Well, one day John and George showed up and one of the guys in the factory said, there's some guys out there, you know, want to see. You're like, you know.

So I went out. And they said, we've got a gig. we've got a gig at the cavern. Yeah. So I said, let me think about it. You looked at the coil. Let me think.

I looked at the coils. I looked at the pay packet. Yeah. Seven pounds 15 a week. God. And I can't believe. I actually questioned her. But I did.

I said, I'll get back to you. And yeah. And I did. And it gave up a career in coil wine management. You would have been the coil-winding representative that we showed to the aliens if you had stuck with it. Coal-winding king. George was how many years younger than you, Paul? I think like about one and a half.

And I was one-and-a-half years younger than John. Yeah. Did you feel, I mean, when we're older, that means nothing. But when we're young, it's really important. Did you feel like the middle child or the younger brother to John? And did George feel like a younger brother to you? I thought of George as younger, but he was so cocky. Yeah.

He was, you know, you couldn't put George down. So he made himself older just by being very confident and like, you know. Who is the tallest? We were all the same height. I know. You really were. You know I've got a thing about that, do you? No, well, tell me more.

Oh my God. Well, we were all the same height and Ringo was a bit smaller. Sure. And if you look at photos, we're all the same heights. But Sam Taylor Wood did a film called Nower Boy. And the John character, who she later married, Aaron. Right, Aaron, Taylor, Johnson. Yeah, he's bigger than me in the film.

My character is kind of wimpy, smaller than John. John knocks me to the floor. It's like, Sam, this is not true. And her only explanation, bless her, because she's still a good friend, you know, she said, this is a movie, it's not a documentary. And I thought, well, I don't like that explanation. But I couldn't do anything because by now she'd made the film. I never, there was I, Little Paul.

you know, John, the great big hero. And it's like, no. I can't imagine what it's like to have people play you. I mean, it must be so strange. I mean, it's happening again. There's another film, Paul the great Paul Meskel is playing you. Based on your life, obviously not taken directly from your life. But it must be strange to have people play you.

Yeah, it is. It is. Yeah. And guess what? He's smaller than the guy who plays John. I said, Sam Mendes is making the film. Yeah. I said, Sam, I've got just one thing I need to say to you.

You know, balls are a bit small at least. So I don't know how Sam's going to deal with it. But he sent me a picture still from the filming they were doing. And they're crossing the Abbey Road crossing. Yeah, I saw that too. And the ball character is markedly smaller. And you can't put lifts on that bare feet. That's true.

Maybe that's what he was. So I texted him, Sam, smaller. Don't do this. You said you wouldn't do it. He said, no, it's okay. It's just the stride pattern. And he sent me another one word. He's going to smush him.

They were equal. But I guess the way in which you guys laughed at your competitive nature, we all, as Americans especially, we love because we love, that's what families do, I guess is what I'm trying to say, is families tease, and they can kind of come at each other in ways that other people can't. And that always felt like the relationship you had with all of, and that you have with, with them still. Yeah, you know, the good thing was we grew up together. So there was like a family aspect. Me and George went to the same school.

Yeah. And John went to the art college next door. So we all kind of, and, you know, it took years for us to kind of get any fame. So we were out in Hamburg, schlepping around, playing, you know, not very nice little clubs. Yeah. We enjoyed it. Yeah. Because you're young kids in Hamburg, you know, this, wow, we'd never been abroad before, you know, so that was like.

But, yeah, so that, that, when you know each other that well, I mean, being together that long, it does become like a family. So then that finds its way into your writing and your work, you know, that I can tell what he's thinking. Or I can tell him that I didn't like that line. Yeah. Or he can tell me, that sucks. And so that's very good, as you know, for writing. Well, and we're back to that 17-year-old, like, very blunt way of saying, this is good, this is bad, you shouldn't wear that, like, all that stuff. I mean, and I'm sure you know that as you get any level of success, sometimes people are afraid to give you real feedback.

Yeah, that's a danger now. You know, people all say to me when I'm working with a producer, He said, does he tell you if it's no good? Yeah. And I'm not sure. Right. How could you know? Maybe it doesn't.

I know. I think you find people who will tell you and stuff. But it must be hard for them. Yeah. You know. I think so. Because you've got such a reputation. Uh-huh.

Right. You know, to tell you a joke isn't funny. would scare me. It should. Good. Because it should. That wasn't funny. It should. Yeah, I know what you mean. But you know what I'm so, I'm always so impressed by so many things that you do, Paul. But one of them is the idea of continuing like on to the next. Like what is the next adventure? Like, you know, you, you're always looking creatively, especially for ways to just continue to be in. inspired and to continue to work together, you have a new record, Boys of Dungeon Lane. Want to hear about it?

Yeah, I do. I'm fascinated by your process of how you make music, how you write songs. I think the good thing is I'm fascinated too. I don't know. I do a class in my old school that me and George went to in Liverpool. It's called Lipper. And I go there every year and do a class with the songwriting students. And the first thing I say, say to them, they come in one-on-one. So it's terrifying for them. Yeah. Oh, they come in one-on-on-one. They come in one-on-one with a guitar or a little piece of... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And I say, I said, come and sit down and say, I'm going to say this. I don't know how to do this. You know, I'm, I know I'm teaching you. I've no idea how you do it, because your song's going to be different from mine and

stuff. Then we work it through. And they'll play me one of their songs. And then I will sort of say, that's very good. Or how about that second verse may be good as an opening verse? Because I think it's a bit stronger. So I just take them through sort of gentle hints. Well, mainly by the time they get to me, they're pretty good. You know, they've done three years.

And I don't know how to do it. That's the point. and I don't want to know. You know, I always just sit down with the guitar or at the piano and just start plonking something. And if I find something that sounds good, I just follow that. Yeah. And so, oh, that's not bad, that's not bad.

Where could it go next? Well, it could stay there, you know, all that stuff. Yeah. And then you're learning you. The natural thing to do is you move through the courts. Yeah. You know, or you can tell yourself, no, don't move. Stay there, you know.

And there's all sorts of tricks that you can use. And there's so many little tricks like that. It just makes it fun for me. And then if you get a good opening line, that's a great thing. Because you kind of then know where you're going, you know. And on Dungeon Lane, there's a song called Days We Left Behind, which is special for me. And I knew I had something when I... It was looking back.

I'm thinking about looking back of photographs of the past. So you could say looking back at black and white photos. But I knew it was good when I said it. He said modestly, I said looking back at white and black. So the fact that I'd switched, it was not a black and white photo anymore. It's white and black. And obviously it rhymes. So looking back at a white and black reminders of the past or whatever,

I just thought, oh, okay. So you're looking at photos and you go there, just let's see what you remember. Yeah, yeah. And it's nice. I have a lot of good memories. When you hear a song that you've written, you've written so many,

do you remember the making of that song when you hear it? Do you remember the writing of it? Do you know, like... Yeah. A lot of the time I do. Yeah, the process of making it when you hear it? A lot of the time. Sometimes, though, it is crazy because they have a Beatles channel on Sirius.

Yes. And if I'm, you know, hiring a car, my driver will like, he knows to have it on. That's a good channel. But normally it's quite quiet so you can talk and things, and then I'll hear something. Yeah. And say, oh, wait a minute, turn this one up. And talking about remembering writing the song, he turned one up because I couldn't remember what the title was. I thought, what's this one?

And then he played. I couldn't even remember the song. Yeah. It had just come and gone so fast. Yeah. So, yeah, I don't always remember them. but a lot of them, I do. I have pretty strong memories of, yeah, like a Mullet-Centire, a wing song that was very successful.

Band, bagpipe. I loved seeing that in the dock, making that, like watching you make that song. And also in the dock learning about how wings came together and your intention behind. bringing people together, which was really interesting. And for me, it was the first time I heard you speak about how important it was for you to feel like part of a group. Like you like being around people and you like being part of a group and ensemble. Yeah.

What do you like about it? Just the companionship, just the friendship. Yeah. And the other opinion. Yeah. You know, having another opinion in the room, kind of another. I like that. I'm mainly just playing together.

Yeah. You know, it's like kids in kindergarten. Yeah, the play, the word play is back again. Like, do you have a pre-show ritual? Do you do anything always, like, do you not eat two hours before the show? Do you have a superstition? Not really. I do have a ritual.

What is it? Would you tell us what it is? What is it? Okay. Okay, here we go. Well, I don't eat. You know, I have like. lunch. Let's even back up further. What time are you going to bed? The night before? The night before?

I don't know. Random. It doesn't matter. You musicians with your bedtime. I know, just a crazy bunch. It just a crazy bunch. No, I don't think about that. That's normally, I mean, it's normally not too late. Okay. It's not too crazy. Probably if it was six in the morning, we'd gone right through, I probably would worry a bit. Yeah. But no, it's just kind of normal bedtime, I think. And yeah, I get up, I just have my breakfast. What's your breakfast? Breakfast. How do you take your tea?

It is really kind of boring because it's always the same. It's like cereal, a bit of cereal, not too much, just a little bit. Berries. Yeah, that's the superfood. Berries. You've got to bury it up. Five raspberries. Wow.

Gotta be five. Looks good. Don't, don't, don't, don't. One in the middle. Handful of blueberries. Oh, yeah. The blueberries are just... Chuck them in.

Chuck them in. And it's strawberry. Which I cut up. Uh-huh. Meditative. Are we really doing this? We're going to do another hour of this. This is great recipe.

Breakfast. Do you take coffee or tea? No. In the morning. It's just water. No caffeine? No, I'm not a big coffee person. Really?

Yeah, I know I'm English. But the tea all day long. A lot of people, you know, my kids drink coffee. Yeah. Quite a lot. I will have like one coffee in the middle of the day, sometimes, often. So that's my breakfast. Add a few pecans and a few raisins.

If you want a party. Yeah. And then there's a very specific lunch. Okay, let's hear it. It's a gig lunch. Oh, yeah, a gig lunch. You know, it's gig day lunch. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Because, I mean, being on stage, I've talked to a lot of performers who just being in front of an audience is so physical. And you have been on stage for most of your adult life in all different stages with different types of people and in different shows. what is what's the thing now that you're loving about being on stage? Like what does it look like to be on stage now? I mean, for example, we've got like Bruce still doing three-hour shows. We have Taylor Swift doing three-hour shows. It's like a lot of expectation for people to do long shows.

I know. I blame him. I've told him. I know. I've said, you're a bloody fault, right? I know. We used to do like an hour. Stone still do something like an hour or so.

Yeah. Yeah. Old school. Yeah. But no, Bruce just suddenly doing these three, four hours things. So that's what we do. You do, I know. You know what I love, though, the audience.

Yeah. That's what it's all about. Yeah. And my audience is Touchwood are very loving. It's so warm. Yeah. You know, they're just so cool. And all ages.

Yeah. That's the amazing thing. I always expected them to be my age or slightly younger or whatever. But it's not like that. There's a lot of young kids. Yeah. Well, you're every favorite artist's favorite artist. Wow.

You are. And is there any music right now that you listen to and you think, I wish I wrote that? No. Very good. Not really. There are some people I think are really good. You know, like Billy Elish, I think is cool. But I don't think I want to have written her songs.

Right. And also a lot of songs these days are breakup songs. Yeah. And I'm married. Right. You're in love with a beautiful woman and you're in love with a beautiful woman and you have a fantastic breakfast. Yeah

Yeah Yeah That's true No so No I don't think There used to be songs Like I used to want to have written

One of Billy Joel's songs The way you are Yeah I always thought that was like Kind of thing I could have written Yeah I think that's a nice song Nowadays it's

I'll tell you what Some of them are like very banal. Yeah. I want your, ooh, ooh, I want it. This could be a hit. And then you got to do the moves. You got to do the TikTok dance with it. Yeah.

Yeah. This from the man that gave us, She loves you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, I mean, Doth protest. I bet you've been able to collaborate with mostly everybody that you've wanted to collaborate at some point. Is there anybody that you still wish to collaborate with? No, I can ask this question, and I always think Bob Dylan.

Yeah. But I'm too nervous to ring him up. Bob. Bob. It is Paul. Yeah. I can't even picture him being on the telephone, Bob. No.

I can't actually picture him using... No, he's in some bush. Yeah, he's in a bush, exactly. Yep, he's writing in a journal. In a sleeping bag, maybe. Yes. Yeah. Who was the first famous person that you met?

First famous person. When you were young, starting out, who was, you know, remember, did you meet someone who you wanted their autograph or you were blown away? that you knew that they were a famous person? The queen. Whoa. And that's an autograph you're not going to get. Now, she's great.

I love the queen. I love the queen, too. I really, you know, what happened was, she was crowned. She's a doll. She was crowned when I was 11. So, and she was a babe. Yeah.

You know, when I was 11, she was like 23 or something, you know. So we all used to think, wow, this is amazing, you know, like, you know, having a king. She's got this girl. Yeah. This babe. So we kind of liked her in other ways than we shouldn't have liked her. Right. You know what I mean?

Right, right. So, yeah, so meeting her was special. How old were you when you met her? Probably about 21 or something. Yeah. Wow. Nancy, my wife, now, she says she fancy do. Now, there's no knowing if there's any truth to that.

But let's just say it's true. I like to think it's true. And I think she would, not to speak for the queen, but I will. I would think she would enjoy Nancy saying that. I think she would get a laugh out of that. Like she would enjoy that. Well, she was a laugh. Yeah.

One of the things I liked about it, she was a good sense of humor. And, yeah, I was very happy that, you know, sometimes you don't get the queen if you're getting an honor. Yeah. Like you're getting a knighthood. You don't always get the queen. I was very lucky. I got the queen all the time. She made sure she was there.

Wow. Well, that's what Nancy would say. She looked at her. She looked at her planner. And she was like, mm-hmm, two o'clock. I'm going to make myself available. I'll do him. I'm going to put the sword.

I'll do the sword thing. That's what she said. The sword was Edward the confessor. The name of the sword? Yeah. I mean, British history, there was a king called Edward the confessor. Wow. At least it wasn't Ethelred, the unready.

But talk about, again, like time travel, which you don't believe in, but I believe in for you. But you're 21, you meet the queen, just speed, you know, however many, years later and you're getting knighted by her. Such a wild life. Yeah, I know. I know. No, really. Wow.

And believe me, I agree with that. Yeah. I mean, life itself anyway, for most people, is wild. Yes, life is wild no matter what. My particular kind of life has been very wild up to this point and continues to be wild. Look at me here. Yeah. I'm doing your show.

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Learn more at Amex.ca.com slash Y.MX. Also, and then I'll move off of this theme that I'm very clumsily trying to connect. But what I also, I love about your work, Chrissy Hind says this in the documentary about you. can we just talk about Chrissy Hine for a second? We love Chrissy. She's a dude. Tell me how you met Chris. You and Linda were really good friends with Chrissy.

Tell us how you met Chrissy Hine. What a genius. Recording studio in London, Air London was called. And there were a lot of studios so you meet the people who were in the other studios. Yeah. And she was just walking down a corridor.

And she was very moody with her hair down and sort of wouldn't look at you. you, you know. Yeah. But Linda was, didn't, you know, do that. She would approach you. Yeah. Hi, how are you doing?

You know, no, no. And they got talking. And so we met her. And Chrissy stopped being so moody and just talked to us. Yeah. And we had a lot of stuff in common. She's like crazy vegetarian. Yes.

So we had that. comment and Linda was very outspoken on that subject. So the point where if it hadn't been her, it would have been embarrassing. You know, if you're at a dinner party and someone's eating meat, she would like give them trouble over it. You know what you're eating? Yeah, well, I know, you know, what, too. which mommy loved it.

Yeah. Ahead of her time. A very ahead, you were both ahead of... Yeah, she had this kind of Disney-esque view of animals. So if we saw like a frog in a garden or something, she'd pick it up. And, you know, there's not every girl would. Yeah.

You know, so she'd pick it up. And the way, you get emotional. But the way she would hold it, it wouldn't hurt it. And, yeah. Yeah, beautiful. And she would say, you know, it's mommy loved it. And even it's a frog. Yeah.

She was like a Disney frog to her. I loved learning more about you. And Linda, in that documentary, I loved watching you to work together and be together. It was really a testament to just what respectful, beautiful, mutual love looks like. Yeah. She was something else. Yeah. Tough, tough lady.

Yeah. Look, I have good hanged tissues. Thank you, ma'am. Yeah. I want to talk about your family life and just how family is important to you because I have the pleasure and privilege of getting to know some of your family. But as we move off the Beatles, although we never will, but as we move off the Beatles for this conversation, what is your relationship now like with George and John and Ringo? Some are here,

some are not, but relationships, as we know with Linda, like people that with your mom, people that you lose, they're always with you, they just, your relationship changes with them. What is your relationship now like with those men? a fan, you know, and the more we go on, I'm a bigger fan. I'm like a Beatles fan. You know, just because, like I say, you know, I'll just hear something that we did. And I'll remember writing it with John and think, wow, I was really lucky. You know, this is amazing. I'm sitting down writing with someone and he happens to be John Lennon. Yeah. And I think the same for him with me. He's sitting down and the guy who's talking about his work is me.

So, yeah, so I'm a fan. And, you know, I think I'd become more of a fan, the more I think about them. And, yeah, you know, George, for instance, how I met George was on the school bus. I used to get on one stop. these big double-decker green buses. It was about a half-hour journey from where we lived to the school.

So I would get on at one stop, and the next stop, Georgia get on. And we wore the same school uniform, so we could relate some way. And sometimes we sit next to each other, and we talk about guitars and rock and roll it's in one of the songs on the Don Jalen album, actually. Oh, really? Yeah, there's one song called Down South, and it's about how we met on the school bus.

And we talked about rock and roll and guitars and all that sort of stuff. So that was great. You know, we became friends over that. And then when we were looking for another guitar player, John was kind of interested in getting another guy in, I put George up, and I sort of said, I got this little mate, you know.

He's little. He wasn't physically little, but he's young. Yeah, yeah. And that could be a problem. But it wasn't a problem. And he played great guitar. John was so impressed and so George joins the group. So that was that period.

But then look at George's life and how he grew. Yeah. And my gosh, you know, I became spiritual. was pretty amazing. Do you have a spiritual practice, Paul? Do you feel like you're a spiritual person? I don't have like a practice so much. I meditate.

I know I'd sort of believe in a power. I don't know what he or she is. Well, I know there's something there I'd feel. And I often do that thing. You know, the secret? Oh, yeah. I got really into that for a minute. Yeah. Well, I still into it. I mean, you probably were on my vision board and here I am talking to you.

I just know the simple version. Yeah, yeah. But Paul, we feel that in your art, like the idea that you're tuning into a channel, like an open channel, and it's not optimism, which it kind of flattens it out. It's just the idea of like there's possibilities. You've got to keep yourself open to possibilities. Yeah. I feel that way when you talk about your work, and I do feel like,

that way when you talk about your family. Like you, family was so important to you, building one, whether it be with the people you're playing with, with the people in your life. Like, I love that you've led us into how the, you know, you believe in love. Like you do believe in love and you can tell by how you live your life. And congratulations to you and Linda for raising great kids. really talented, kind, funny kids. Really great children.

Oh, thank you. Yeah. No, they are great. You know, it's important to me. And the thing is, you know, I'm not really that different from a lot of dads. There's a lot of people out there. I mean, okay, there's the people. But you also choose very strong women. Yeah, that's true.

You like strong, independent women. Yeah. That's not always the case with men that are at. as successful and talented and powerful as yourself, that's not always the case. Sometimes they don't like to be challenged in that way. It's funny. I don't think of it like that, but it is true. Yeah, I like someone who's got a strong opinion.

Well, we spoke to somebody who has a strong opinion because we always do this thing on our podcast where we speak to somebody who knows our guest and who wants to give me a question to ask my guest. And we could have spoken to so many people, but I really wanted to speak to Stella. Oh, yeah. Tell us about Stella. Stella's a pistol. She is.

Linda had Mary. Yeah. And that was straightforward. And so then Linda was pregnant again with Stella and went to the hospital to be born. And then suddenly there was like a thing going on. where the doctors, it's a thing called placenta previa. Oh, yes, of course. You know about that?

It can be very dangerous. And the doctor said, so we're going to have to do a C-section, you know, a cesarian. So he's like, oh, okay. So he did it and it was successful and it worked. But it meant that Stella had to be in an incubator. Yeah. And she was little. And so I would go down a couple of floors.

to where the incubator unit was, and I would see our baby and then go back up and report to Linda, you know. And it was amazing because Stella did a little movement. And it was exactly like Linda. But she didn't know Linda yet. Yeah, wild. She hadn't learned any tricks.

So it was really just, you know, a natural thing. So I got running back up. I said, Stella, just did that thing. And I know that thing from you. Yeah. So Stella, we talk about it quite a bit. Well, Stella's question for me to ask you,

which is amazing that you're telling this story, Paul, because she said, ask my dad what his first memory was. We spoke about it the other day, and he remembered his first memory. because Stella shared that she thinks one of her first memories was being in an incubator. Yeah. She can feel like, and I know a lot of people have memories of when they were born or feel like they do. And how you come into the world can really, in some ways, define your life's path.

You can become like a fighter or a survivor or you want to be more sleepy and peaceful, whatever is the way that you come into the world. But she shared that as her first memory. And the question she wanted me to ask you was, what was yours? Yeah. You know, these things, you don't know if you've made it up. Yeah, sure. Or if it's saying, but I have this feeling that I can remember being born.

I was born in a place in Liverpool called Walton Hospital, which was a real old Victorian thing. I think it had been something else before a hospital. So I kind of remember white tiles, very sort of hygienic white tiles and chrome instruments and a clanging. Because I was a forcepts berth. They had to pull me out. Me too. I was a forceps. Were you?

Yeah. I had dense in my head. Give it up for forceps people. Yeah. They had to yank me out. I wouldn't come out. Yeah. It was too good in there.

You know, this is okay, I'm getting fed. Totally. And then all of a sudden something came in there and clamped your head and yanked you out. And out I came. I love that you were to. Yeah, I was. Yeah, so I sort of think I remember that. How funny.

I don't know if it's true. The other question that she had was, what is Monkberry Moon Delight? And have you smoked it? And where were you on when you wrote that song? I probably was on something that I smoked. But no, when the kids were little, you know how kids don't always, can't pronounce certain words. Yeah. Well, the word for milk was monk.

You know, can I have, daddy can I have some monk? That was milk. So I was thinking of a milkshake. So it was like milkberry, monkberry moon. So it's the name of a milkshake in my head. You know, I just imagined that. And then I just flew off on one because the lyrics are crazy, great. Yeah, they're great lyrics.

There was I with a piano up my nose. Soup puree. Soup and puree. Yes, soup and pure. Cats and kittens. Don't get left behind. Yes. Catch up, ketchup.

I know it's just like a lot of wordplay and stuff, but I look back on that kind of song and think, I wish I wrote those now. You know, I think it was just a zany period. Yeah. Yeah, but that's what it was in my mind. It's actually a milkshake. So the last section I want to talk to you about is,

your connection to SNL because of the many things that you entered in my life, I mean, you were also connected to the show, one of the shows that shaped my life when I was learning what I wanted to do with my life. You know, Saturday Night Live was such a huge part of my world. And the fact that you and Lorne and just the Beatles, like they always felt like they were, it felt like you guys were hanging around all the time. And you do go to the, the show quite a bit and you've been on the show quite a bit. And I mean, there's just so many incredible moments on that show. I mean, when I was preparing for this interview, I was thinking about the Chris Farley moment, which no one's seen. It's an incredible sketch where Chris Farley

is interviewing you. And he does what I'm sure most people do is he just tells you what you've done. And do you... He's so good, like me. So good. I think the first time I was introduced him was John who was living in New York. Right. And who, you know, loved SNL. And it was around that time when Lorne had come on and offered us $3,000 to perform. Because, you know, everyone was offering a million to get back together. And he holds up a check.

And he's got a little check from M.B. Yep. Which apparently was what they would have paid us, NBC. And I love, you've spoken on this, that you all consider. considered it for a second. I mean, you were in New York. Wings was performing. Just me and John. Yeah. We're at his place in New York. And he said, have you seen this show? I said, no. He said, well, this guy comes on. He's offering us. Yeah. And John said, we should go down now. Because it was, it was on live and said, go and surprise him. So for a second, we were going to do that.

But then it was like, no, it's much too comfortable. here. Let's just watch it. Yeah, it's 1130. We watched it. Yeah. But I think that was the first time I'd seen the show. Mm-hmm. And then sort of realized why everyone was massive fans of it. Yeah.

And why it was such an American institution. I mean, I love being included in sketches. You know, I like doing the music. Be careful saying that because they're going to keep writing you in. I don't mind. You like it. You like it. Yeah, I was like a garage guy, a mechanic.

Yeah. The last one I did with Marcello. Yeah. And Will Ferrell. What was it like working with Marcello? Just kidding. And then yoga boys. Also the one I did with Marty Shaw.

Oh, Marty. Marty Shaw does. Oh, God. He's so great. He's so great. We were actually year ago. We were actually having dinner. it was me,

Lorne, Jimmy Fallon and Martin was going to come to dinner with us, but he was late. So we're all sitting in the thing and the restaurant's crowded. And then Martin comes in from left and he's walking through and he's pretending he doesn't know where we are.

He's seen us. He's gone, oh, excuse me, oh sorry. and he's bumping into tables and he's doing that whole bit of his, you know. Oh, there you are. So funny. Hysterical. Hysterical.

Okay, quick, rapid fire, we're going to get you out of here. Okay, so rapid fire time, best decade for music. Six years. If you were an animal, what animal would you be? Horse.

Why? Because I love horses. Do you think you've lived before? Possibly. And who were you? Me. King. The Unready, Ha-ha-ha.

Do you have a favorite song you've ever written? Yeah, here, there, and everywhere. I like that song. Okay. Nancy's favorite song of yours. Days We Left Behind of the new album. Fantastic. Last concert you went to.

I think it was Brandy Carlisle. She was in here. How talented is she? Yeah. She's a very nice girl, too. There just must be a feeling when you meet songwriters, right? There just must be a feeling of like, oh, we know each other. We know how to do this, even though we don't know how to do it, but we've done it.

Yeah, we've done it. I mean, I felt that we even when I watched Get Back and I was watching you write that song, for example, and the process of writing it and being together and you were doing, to me, what looked like what we would do in a comedy writer's room, which is you work a little bit and then you fuck around a lot. Because you can only kind of like think of something original for a few minutes and then you have to like play other people songs and like goof around. I mean, you were doing bits basically with each other. That was a way to get offline to get back into like your creative space. And it was like a process that felt like, oh, this is what

process looks like. Yeah. That's what we've been mates for years. So, you know, you, you, goof around. John would pick up something, you know. I remember she came in through the bathroom window, one of my songs, and I'm Tuesday's on, Monday's on the phone to Tuesday, whatever. So Tuesday's on the phone to me, I think was the line. So I start going, hello Tuesday. Oh, my darling. And then John picks it up. He's on the piano. Go, all right, Tuesday. And he starts doing Tuesday. and we were talking to Tuesday. So, yeah, we could do that. Yeah.

Because we'd hung out a lot. I mean, we went hitchhiking together and things, you know. So we would sleep together. And that makes you kind of, you know, quite intimate with each other. Yeah. Well, just getting to see the way you work together feels like there, anybody who's in some kind of creative space working with somebody else, They felt like they understood what that feeling is.

Like this idea that you kind of talked about it earlier, that there's just some kind of magic you're supposed to make space for and room for. And if you're lucky, it comes in. And if you're even luckier, you get to make it. And then if you're the luckiest, people love it. That's true. I think if you love it, people probably will. Well, I feel like I'll end by saying Paul that,

The thing that I feel like you taught me as an artist, knowing you for my entire life, not knowing you, but knowing your work, is that love is really, that's the thing. Like it's like loss is inevitable, change is inevitable, life is wild. But if you can keep kind of heading towards the love part, you're headed in the right direction. Yeah. Thank you for that. you need. I agree. It's, you know, and, yeah, I would own up to be in a romantic.

I love it. I love films where it's romantic. I'm not a big fan of, like, shoot-em-ups. Do you like horror movies? No. Me neither. And let's take a minute. Yeah?

Zombies. Forget zombies. I mean, people love that. I've never watched. Not very keen. No. I've said this before, but if there was a zombie apocalypse, I would immediately just take a pill and go to sleep forever.

There's no way I would ever, like, fight a zombie? No. Well, I'd fight it for you. Thank you, Paul. You've got the soul, darling. Okay, so what is making you laugh right now as we end? Anything? What do you watch to giggle?

Yeah, I got it films. and things. Like what? What do you think is funny? Well, let's watch a video together as we end. My favorite year. Oh, Peter O'Toole? Yeah.

I thought that was funny. I love that movie. I haven't seen it in so long. No, that's what I mean. I asked someone what their favorite film. So they come up with that one. Oh, I love that film. Yeah, it's a great film.

For people who don't remember that, that was an 80s comedy. Oh, yeah, Peter O'Toole plays like an actor who's on a variety show, right? Yeah, he was like he's a husband. Yes. And he gets drunk all the time. That's right. And the young guys put in charge of him. There was a big stretch in the 80s where all the characters were really drunk.

Yeah. Like Arthur, my favorite. There's quite a bunch where the lead was like falling down drunk. Yeah. And we were like, that's hilarious. Okay, let's watch just the trailer. of my favorite year before we end. It was the year

Hollywood's greatest hero swashbuckle his way onto live TV and into Benji's life. I mean, this looks like Monty Python on them. Or it's you and Nick.

They've asked me to stay with you and help you over some of the rough spots. Like showing out. That's one. Another is not passing out. Peter O'Toole passing out. God, Peter O'Toole. was good.

Yeah. Well, Paul McCartney, I could talk to you all day. I really, really, really appreciate you being here. It's a total thrill to talk to you. How did we do? We did okay. I think we did great. I mean, all right.

I enjoyed it. All right, good. Yeah. Thanks, Paul. Thanks for doing this. Thanks, Amy. Okay, you're excused. You're good.

Yes, miss. Thank you, Paul McCartney. I don't know what to say. It was a complete thrill to talk to you and what an incredible conversation. And, you know, for this polar plunge, I just feel the need to call my mother and tell her that I just interviewed Paul McCartney.

So if you will indulge me, listeners, I have not told my mom or my dad that I'm interviewing Paul because I can't be. be trusted with that information. But I'm going to FaceTime my mom right now and see if we can get a real time, a real time response. Now, she tech, hello? Hello? Hi. Can you hear me? Yeah, you're on the podcast. I'm doing the podcast right now. So your voices are going to be recorded. Is that okay? Do I have your legal consent? Depends on how I feel it.

went. Okay, let me talk to mom. Okay. Guess who I just interviewed? Mom, who would be your favorite person? Oh, my gosh. Who is the most excited person you've ever met when you came to S&L? Oh. Paul McCartney.

I just interviewed Paul McCartney. No, sir. I did. I just interviewed Paul McCartney. Yeah. My God. Your mother brags about the time. Did you mention my name?

She brags about the time he knocked on your door at S&L and said, oh, I like your daughter. Yeah, he said, you aim his mother. That's right. And Eileen said, oh, Sir Paul. Hello, Sir Paul. Okay, Mom, you know, as I wrap up this episode, what is the memory you have of, like, how important were the Beatles to you?

Oh, it was unbelievable. My big memory is the first time they played on Ed Sullivan. Ed Sullivan Show, were they a long hair? And my father said, look at those guys with that long hair. That's right. Yeah, I liked them immediately. Yeah, I went to see them, I think. Didn't you go to In Lim somewhere?

No, that was the Rolling Stones. No, I never saw them. You never saw them. You just saw the Rolling Stones. No, but he made a joke to Eileen about, Didn't I see you on the fourth row? Oh yeah, he said with you at the... Okay, I got to go.

I got, okay, I got to go. Okay, I love you guys. I wanted to tell you that I just interviewed Paul McCartney. Cool, I'm so psyched. Nice. All right, love you guys. Okay, hi. I'll keep track of his numbers and see if he beats out Paul Rudd.

He's coming for you, Rudd. All right, all right. Okay, love you guys. Okay, hi. Bye. Thanks, everybody. Thanks for listening to Good Hang, and we'll see you soon. Bye. You've been listening to Good Hang.

The executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss-Berman, and me, Amy Poehler. The show is produced by The Ringer and Paper Kite. For The Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spillane, Kaya McMullen, Alea Zanaris, Bridget Kierlings, Paige Garberini, Bell Roman, and Drew Van Steenbergin. For Paperkite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell, and Jenna Weiss Berman. Original music by Amy Miles. I have a M.