Good Inside with Dr. Becky - Parenting During the LA Wildfires

Episode Date: January 18, 2025

There are no adequate words to express the horror of the ongoing LA wildfires. It’s completely understandable if you feel worried, out of control, or stunned. Parenting is hard enough on a “normal...” day, but in times like these—when a natural disaster adds an emotional and mental toll—it can feel almost impossible. Dr. Becky recently held a virtual event for parents affected by these wildfires - this episode is the recording of that event. Together they connect, hold space for one another, discuss ways to support your kids during this time, and explore how you can find your own strength amidst uncertainty. Free resource for parents navigating the California Wildfires: https://www.goodinside.com/article/10268/resources-for-parents-navigating-the-california-wildfires/?sharehash=d85335a0-2915-4ffd-8bf1-970048497bcfGet the Good Inside App by Dr. Becky: https://tinyurl.com/2333cvadFollow Dr. Becky on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drbeckyatgoodinsideSign up for our weekly email, Good Insider: https://www.goodinside.com/newsletterOrder Dr. Becky's book, Good Inside: A Guide to Becoming the Parent You Want to Be, at goodinside.com/book or wherever you order your books.To listen to Dr. Becky's TED Talk on repair visit https://www.ted.com/talks/becky_kennedy_the_single_most_important_parenting_strategy Learn more about the upcoming Effective Alternatives to Punishments workshop: https://bit.ly/4g2tKGD

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Starting point is 00:00:00 I recently hosted a live event for parents who have been impacted by the California wildfires. I wanted to share the recording with you. If you're a parent who has been impacted by the California wildfires or if you know a parent who has, please do share it. Please do listen. In it, I talk about how to explain what happened to our kids, how to answer difficult questions, how to talk to your kids about things you don't even know, where you're uncertain, where you're not sure you have words.
Starting point is 00:00:33 There are definitely no right answers or right scripts for situations in the world just feel so unimaginable and so wrong. So this is not about getting it right. This is about putting words to things that are really hard to talk about. And so take what resonates, change what you wanna change and just flat out throw out what doesn't feel like you.
Starting point is 00:01:02 This is just meant to be a support during this unimaginable time. Hey everyone, welcome. I don't know usually when I start a live event I'll say something like I'm excited to be here, does not feel like the right words. I am honored to be here. I've been really looking forward to connecting with you. I'll introduce myself and then we'll really jump in so we can get the most out of our time together. Dr. Becky Kennedy, I'm a clinical psychologist.
Starting point is 00:01:36 Someone would say I specialize in parenting. I actually just think I like thinking about relationships, the relationship with our kids, the relationship we have with ourselves and other adults. And I think one of the things I think a lot about is how to show up during really, really hard times for ourselves and for our children. And certainly what you are all going through
Starting point is 00:01:55 is like a wordless time. So a really hard time when to say it, but thank you for having me. And by the end of this, I hope that you leave with some ideas and frameworks and strategies that without a doubt, I will not say will make life easy, but might be useful and feel important in certain moments.
Starting point is 00:02:14 Sometimes that's the best we could do. Please do use the chat during this. Sometimes people find connections in the chat. Raina and Jakira from our team will be paying attention to the chat, incorporating things. I really believe community is, you know, is everything. And so just what happens in the chat often is the best sign that we're not feeling alone. If you're willing, I actually think it could be powerful to start
Starting point is 00:02:38 by putting one single word into the chat. That represents how you're feeling right now. And I'm a big believer in parts. I believe we all feel many things at the same time. But put one word, and then please take a moment to scroll and I'll read. Overwhelmed, devastated, gutted, anxious, heartbroken, overwhelmed, scared, on edge, drained, worried,
Starting point is 00:03:03 squeezed, broken, helpless, shut down, shattered, heartbroken, gutted, overwhelmed, scared, on edge, drained, worried, squeezed, broken, helpless, shut down, shattered, heartbroken, gutted, sad, unmoored, confused, hopeful, heartbroken, angry. You are not alone. I know if you look, there's someone else who's feeling how you're feeling, and that does not make a feeling go away. But sometimes knowing that we're not alone can give us this tiny softening. When in certain awful situations,
Starting point is 00:03:35 that tiny thing is the best that we can do. I will be recording this event. I hate the idea of people having to take notes when something has happened in their life that already makes their list of things feel insanely, unfairly over full. And that way people who can't come can receive it. I wanna quickly introduce Raina Pomeroy. Raina leads community efforts at Good Inside. And she is in many ways, as you'll see, kind of like the perfect moderator,
Starting point is 00:04:02 if I could say that, for this event because of her personal connection to the topic. And so I'll let her introduce herself, and then we'll get into the questions that have been coming up the most for families. Awesome. Thank you so much, Dr. Becky, and thank you for being here. I'm Reina Pomeroy.
Starting point is 00:04:19 I lead community here at Good Inside. And I, myself, am a total loss fire survivor from the Marshall fire of 2021. I have been in your shoes. I've been in the sitting in many, many webinars to try to see if I can piece myself together. And so I'm right here with you and I'm honored to just walk alongside you to moderate this event with Dr. Becky. And just as one more personal story, Reyna's being a total loss survival of the Marshall Fire
Starting point is 00:04:52 happened, I think, a week or two before she joined us at Good Inside. And I remember us on the phone. I remember us talking through things. And I think that's given me a little bit of a sense of, you know, that deep connection with you, Reyna, and what this is like. And I'm just so glad that you're here because your lived experience of that, there's just, you know, it's unmatched.
Starting point is 00:05:14 Okay, let's jump in. Yeah, that's a great place to start. And you held a lot of hope for me. And I think that that's where we're starting today. But where do we start when we'll get we'll get to our kids later. But we'll first talk about how how can we even process this when we don't really know what we're going through.
Starting point is 00:05:32 And I think this is the perfect place to start. And it's something I hope everyone here puts up on their list after because I promise you we'll talk about how do we talk to our kids and certainly parenting through total devastation, it's like this crazy thing we have to do, take care of our kids while we feel like the infrastructure of our life just, you know, for it, we just changed.
Starting point is 00:05:54 The place to start is actually not with our kids. It's definitely with ourselves. Your kids just went through something unmanageable. You just went through something unimaginable, you just went through something unimaginable. And there's no words that can fully explain what I think is like the word list, but a couple of things that I find powerful are words like, it makes sense that.
Starting point is 00:06:21 And if I just go back to what so many of you shared, it is so well received by our bodies to say, it makes sense that I feel heartbroken. It makes sense that I feel unmoored. It makes sense that I feel gutted. Whatever the word is that rises to the top or the word that most represents in this moment, how you feel,
Starting point is 00:06:43 it is so important to give your body those words. Our feelings are forces, and they're looking for containers, not containers that make them go away, but containers they can live in. And when our feelings don't have containers because they're forces, they just come out in all of these ways.
Starting point is 00:07:01 And they do more and more things to get our attention, kind of like our pesky toddlers can do. And so taking a moment and maybe it's something you do right now, and maybe it's something that feels natural, and maybe this is something that you're like, this feels so hokey, is this so not something someone like me would do?
Starting point is 00:07:18 I'm gonna encourage you to try it on. And if you hate it, you can say that was the worst suggestion ever, I'm never doing it again. But think about the one word that's loudest in terms of how you're feeling. And I just want you to put your hand on your heart. And just to say, it makes sense that I'm feeling this way.
Starting point is 00:07:36 I do not expect unicorns and rainbows. And it does start a regulation process in our body to say those words. Other words, just because I'm big And it does start a regulation process in our body to say those words. Other words, just cause I'm big on giving a lot of examples knowing that I expect you to throw a good percentage of them out because only you know the overlap of my ideas and what feels right to you.
Starting point is 00:07:59 And so when people say that doesn't make sense to me, I'm like, great, throw it out. You know you best. I give myself permission to feel this way. I give myself permission to be mad and angry and sad and to not know what I'm going to do. I give myself permission for all of that. Our body likes to hear that our feelings make sense and our body likes to hear that we have permission
Starting point is 00:08:21 to feel the way we're feeling. It sounds so cheesy. And if it sounds extra awkward, it probably goes back to something way beyond this event, right? Whether we grew up in a home where we were told our feelings make sense and we were told we're allowed to feel things, which is separate from behavior, goes back to whether something like this feels natural
Starting point is 00:08:38 or super awkward. But I really encourage you at least once a day to pause, to set an alarm, maybe it's once an hour, and just to give yourself that validation. It's a lot harder for us to hold the feelings of our kids if we don't practice holding the feelings that are happening inside of our own body. I'm just going to share some other things again, because I like options. This feels scary.
Starting point is 00:09:04 It's okay to feel that way. Yes, I feel powerless. And that's really hard. I'm allowed to cry, scream, and feel whatever I'm feeling. The other thing that I think is really powerful to tell ourselves, and I'm going to share and you might say this sounds so overly simplistic. But one of the things that's happened here is a massive violation of expectations. Nobody expected overnight to evacuate their home for their community, to look like scorched earth, to have their home and everything in it gone, to not know if you can go back,
Starting point is 00:09:48 to not know when school is gonna, no one expected that. And actually saying words to yourself like, I didn't expect this to happen, or I really didn't want this to happen. Sometimes more than the validation of our feelings, or I really didn't want this to happen. Sometimes more than the validation of our feelings, it's the validation of the violation of our expectations that our body really, really needs to hear from us.
Starting point is 00:10:18 Sometimes we get into almost a blame. We don't even realize we're like blaming ourselves, but telling yourself, I didn't expect this to happen. I didn't want this to happen is really important. The last thing I want to say before we go to the next question is it makes sense if you're struggling. I don't know people who are going through
Starting point is 00:10:44 what you're all going through, who are optimizing any part of their lives. And what you went through, like, I really mean it. It's a horror. What you're going through is a horror. And amidst horror, struggling is the best any of us can do. Okay, on that note, what can we do when we're stressed or crying?
Starting point is 00:11:13 And what if our kids see, or if they feel this is back, like we're short and reactive. So we all feel and experience and show our stress and our pain and our fears in different ways. Some of us, we kind of melt into it, right? We melt into it. We cry, right? It's hard to like motivate to do anything.
Starting point is 00:11:41 Others, we can have a tendency to turn pain and fear and sadness into anger, kind of converts, makes us feel in the moment a little more powerful. I'm so reactive, no matter what my kid does, I'm yelling at them, right? So the first thing to know is that crying or seeing you upset, there's no problem with that when it comes to child development. I think something happened in the child development literature or things that we know about kids' development. It got put into some real,
Starting point is 00:12:14 that like didn't quite get the whole story and didn't get the nuanced, just right missed it. And people say, oh, I'm not supposed to let my kids see me upset. It feels to me like it would be very bizarre if children going through this didn't see their parent upset. And so it's not your crying that upsets children.
Starting point is 00:12:36 It's actually your crying and not having a story to understand what's happening that upsets children. It's kind of almost always, it's the lack of a story around the event, not the event itself. And I really want you to know that because you're human, you're going, you know, again, through something wordless. And so I hate the idea that there's an extra layer of like, oh, and now messing up my kids, because I'm crying.
Starting point is 00:13:08 What's important is to say to your kids, if it was me, you saw mommy crying. And this is one of my favorite lines. You were right to notice that. We and then here's the story is personal, but it could be, we don't know if we can go back to our house yet. And I was thinking about all the things we don't have
Starting point is 00:13:32 and how much things have changed in the last number of days. And I feel sad about that. And when I feel sad, sometimes I cry. And that's why I was crying. Now, the thing you could layer onto that, because in some ways it's what our kids are always wondering is, and did you know that even when I'm crying,
Starting point is 00:13:57 I can still take care of you? Even when I'm crying, I'm the same dad who's gonna make you dinner and put you to bed. Cause that's kind of the struggle. Like is my sturdy leader not available anymore? And we're available in a different form, but what kids need to hear is that we're not, we haven't gone away, right?
Starting point is 00:14:25 And so I just want you to remember that. And if you're yelling a lot, right? I always say the best strategy to get good at as a parent is repair. I really mean that. And I know I said this in my Ted talk and it brought a lot of laughter, but I really mean it for myself that for me,
Starting point is 00:14:43 when I yell at my kids, which of course I do, cause I'm a human, not a robot, I remind myself, Becky, the most important strategy to get good at is repair. I can't repair if I don't yell. So step one, crushed it, you know? Oh, I already did step one, I did the yelling. So now I get to do step two, the repair, which I'm trying to get really good at, you know, I already did step one, I did the yelling. So now I get to do step two, the repair, which I'm trying to get really good at, you know?
Starting point is 00:15:09 And I always joke that everyone says the first step's the hardest step. Okay, well, I did the hardest step, I yelled. Now I just get to say, hey, I yelled. I'm sure that felt scary. It's not your fault when I yell. Lots on my mind as we think about the next steps, I'm going to figure it out.
Starting point is 00:15:24 We are. And I'm gonna try to stay a little bit calmer tomorrow. Whatever we can say that feels honest. Again, it's often not the yelling at our kids, but our kids feeling alone and scared without a story to understand after the yelling. That's the thing that really lives on. So like, oh, am I a bad kid?
Starting point is 00:15:43 Do I just make people yell and I just have that impact on everyone? That doesn't feel good to kids, right? That's kind of self-doubt, self-blame. We all know those stories, right? And so I just want you to remember that the crying, the yelling, whatever it is, you're gonna be doing the best you can, right?
Starting point is 00:16:00 Events like this, you know, whatever you do to try to take care of yourself, that's critical. And still in these awfully extraordinary circumstances, you know, your tears are going to come, your yelling is going to come. And then you're going to, I hope, hear my voice saying, get good at repair. Just crush repair. Crush. Crush repair. The only way you can crush repair is if you've already done something, you're not the proudest of. OK, I'm not saying we, of course, want to minimize that.
Starting point is 00:16:31 But after it happens, go repair and take responsibility. All right. Everyone's situation is a little bit different. What are the general principles that always help in these awful stages? As in how do we approach this with our kids? That's right. So I think right here, we have parents
Starting point is 00:16:50 who've lost their homes. We have parents who've lost their communities. We have parents who've lost their schools. We have parents who don't know if they can go back to their house. We have parents who know their house is standing and have evacuated. There's so many different situations.
Starting point is 00:17:04 And to me, what I find overwhelming as a parent is when I'm supposed to get like each specific scenario, one specific way, then I feel like I have to like mimic someone else. I never want to have that impact on people. When I feel like, wait, there's some basic principles that can guide me, then I can also use my intuition, what feels right with my style and my kid.
Starting point is 00:17:25 And to me, that's way more empowering. So number one principle, it's not information that scares kids. It's the lack of information that scares kids. Now, this is not a way of saying we should flood our children with all the information we have. But children, even more than adults,
Starting point is 00:17:45 are very perceptive to changes in their environment. They hear what you're saying on the phone. They notice how you're feeling. They notice, oh my goodness, my mom or my dad is saying certain words over and over that I've never heard them say before. Right? They hear things like,
Starting point is 00:18:04 oh, we don't know when school's going to start again. Whatever it is, they already heard it. So when I hear parents saying, but my kid's so young, are they too young to know about this? I feel like we're framing the question wrong. The thing already happened. They already overheard the thing. The only question is, do I provide them a story or do I leave them alone to make up
Starting point is 00:18:24 a story based on their own devices? And I can tell you, your story to your child is going to feel a lot safer and better than the story a four-year-old or a 14-year-old makes up for themselves. And when kids don't have stories to understand that they act things out, their behavior gets worse. I often think of it's like work.
Starting point is 00:18:43 Like imagine you overhear your boss talking about layoffs or something. And then you're in your boss's office, you're like, did you say layoffs? And they're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, everything's good, we're good, we're good. I'm like, well, pretty sure I said 20, whatever it was. You're spinning for the whole week.
Starting point is 00:19:00 And you're reacting, oh my God, is that right? You want someone to say, you heard me say that, you were right to overhear that, here's what we're going through. You want the truth, you want the truth. And the version of the truth you tell your kids, again, of course it's dependent on a million factors, but let that be a principle that leads you.
Starting point is 00:19:22 Next principle, it's okay to not know. Too many times I hear that parents don't talk to their kids because they don't know the answer. It's actually really powerful to tell your kids, let's say it's this, you might be wondering what's happening with your school. I wanna be totally honest with you. We don't know yet. We don't know yet.
Starting point is 00:19:45 We don't know when you're going back to school. And I'm figuring it out. We're all talking and different options. And I promise you, as soon as I know more, I'm going to tell you. You might also add at some point, oh my goodness, it is so hard not to know about the things that really matter in our life.
Starting point is 00:20:08 I wish I could tell you something that's like, this is what we're doing about this. This is the place we're going to live. And the truth is, I don't know. What I do know is we're a family. What I do know is I will always be honest with you. And I do know that we are going to figure it out. That's what a kid needs to hear. The next thing I wanna say is taking care of yourself is critical.
Starting point is 00:20:42 It is not selfish. You're probably spending more time with your kids, right? It's probably, oh my goodness, my back in COVID days, right? Whatever you need to do. And you can hear from me, the TV, the iPad to say, what is something that actually feels like taking care of me? You know, I often think about being on a plane and hearing a pilot say, don't worry everyone, like I love piloting. I have not slept in 10 days because I just love piloting planes so much. I mean, if you're like me, you're like,
Starting point is 00:21:20 I'm getting off this plane. Like I don't want my pilot to run themselves in the ground in the name of being super pilot. Super pilots have boundaries. I mean, we're really gonna get to it. Pilots actually have laws that mandate that they rest, right? We don't have that for parents and hopefully we should. And definitely in a time like this,
Starting point is 00:21:41 I want you to think of a pilot who would mandate self-care in order to be the best pilot they could for all the passengers. The other thing I wanna add, and Raina really shared this with me from her experience, is that when she was going through her experience being a total loss survivor, moments of joy felt very different, almost like guilt.
Starting point is 00:22:04 Like, should I be feeling this way? I'm laughing like, oh my goodness, I lost everything. Joy does not invalidate grief. Joy matters. And joy really matters, not just for your kids, for you. And that doesn't mean, oh my goodness, is this some toxic positivity? You have to go find joy.
Starting point is 00:22:27 No, I'm just saying allow yourself to be open to it if it finds you. Joy, I've learned from one of my friends, joy is fleeting. Joy is very different from happiness. Joy is fleeting. It's like these spikes. And it might find you when you see some meme or when your kid says something funny.
Starting point is 00:22:43 And remind yourself that that doesn't mean you're not thinking about other people or the seriousness or yourselves or your problems. Right, I think a big principle at Good Inside is two things are true, right? I don't think anything anyone here could ever do will ever invalidate what you know about this reality you're going through.
Starting point is 00:23:09 Moments of joy, they matter. And I want you to just keep the door open in case one finds you and allow it to be there. Amazing. Are my kids going to be traumatized forever? This is something that I definitely wondered about myself. I'm curious how many people have this question, or if this is even a loud question. Is this one of the loudest questions, right?
Starting point is 00:23:35 Oh my goodness. Are my kids going to be traumatized forever from this experience? Trauma is something else I think that has been kind of misunderstood and again has has lost the nuance of what it really is. Trauma is not an event. Trauma refers to the way an event gets processed in the body. And the way I think about it is trauma is an event that has a lot of big emotions around it that gets stored in a state of aloneness.
Starting point is 00:24:13 There's two components, the event, and I'm a straight shooter. Do some events have more trauma potential than other events because of how out of control and big feelings. Yeah, they do, okay. But it's not the event itself that is traumatic. It's an event. And let's think about a kid.
Starting point is 00:24:37 All these big sensations. I was at my house, I left, oh my goodness, a rush. I didn't go back. What else could be different in my life? And could anything else change overnight? And what can I count on? Yes, that is definitely the stuff of this event for a child. But that's not trauma.
Starting point is 00:24:54 Those sensations and fleeting thoughts and feelings, what's trauma is when that gets stored in a state of aloneness. It gets kind of this free flowing nature because there's no container, there's no connection, and there's no story. Now this does not mean you should sit your child down and say, we're gonna talk for three hours
Starting point is 00:25:17 about everything that happened. Time is really important. Things don't need to get processed so quickly. But when I think about saying to a kid, and the stories, I'm gonna model one for you, if it's relevant to your situation, everyone's is different, but just about how simple it can be.
Starting point is 00:25:38 We packed our bags so quickly. And I was yelling, get into the car, get into the car, right? And then we got in the car. We're in traffic. And now we're here. We're not sure if we can go back. Oh, things really changed quickly. We are safe. And things in our home, we're just not sure about. Okay, I'm gonna zoom out from the role play. What I'm doing with that story again, only in a moment that only you know
Starting point is 00:26:18 is kind of coming up anyway, is what I'm doing for my kid with all their sensations is instead of these things flowing here and here, I'm kind of like threading them together. Right? Humans need stories. Humans learn from stories, we make meaning from stories. Stories add coherence to things that felt chaotic and incoherent. And it's actually the sensation and the chaos
Starting point is 00:26:50 and the incoherence of what lives in our body. That's what's not great as we get older. But I want you to know that not just today, you have weeks, you have years with your kid, there's no rush and this is definitely not the more, the better at all, okay? But that connection and that story from you of years with your kid, there's no rush. And this is definitely not the more the better at all. Okay. But that connection and that story from you and not being afraid to name the truth,
Starting point is 00:27:14 that's what makes me know, no, your kids are not going to be traumatized forever. Now your kids, if we all kind of have this story of our life, they have a chapter that a lot of kids don't have. Might you notice that showing up over the next couple of years? Sure, the things that happen impact us as we would want them to. They're just part of our story.
Starting point is 00:27:44 But that is very different than being traumatized forever. Now I see coming in and I just want to be able to approach the kind of this, one of this ultimate wordless situations. What if I lost everything? What do you say? You say that. You say some version of what I said, and we found out that our house burned down.
Starting point is 00:28:16 You pause, you see what your kid says. They might say nothing and that's all. I wouldn't be surprised if they say something that seems trivial like, so my teddy bear or something that you're like, right? Yes. We don't have your teddy bear anymore. Right? And you can kind of meet them where they are. And then what's going to feel extremely ungratifying, and I promise you is so important, is as you're
Starting point is 00:28:44 saying nothing, what you're doing for your kid is so important, is as you're saying nothing, what you're doing for your kid is you're, you're that container for them. And you can follow their lead. You can also share, I'm not a fan of making thing rosier than they are. It's kind of confusing to a kid. Oh, I lost everything
Starting point is 00:29:00 and I'm supposed to look on the bright side like what? Right? It doesn't really make sense to a kid. You can always differentiate. Our home burned down. And if this is true for you, me and you and mama are still together. Our family is safe.
Starting point is 00:29:24 Kids who are very young sometimes need to be incredibly concrete. I never thought about this before, but I'm going to say it here. It's like, our family did not burn down our house. And everything in it burned down. I'm crying. Yes, that's what you say. And then you pause.
Starting point is 00:29:50 And then I wouldn't be surprised if the next thing your kid says is, can I have my snack? And so easy after that to say, oh my goodness, I tried so hard. It didn't hit them. It did. Honestly, it's probably like what all of us wanna do when we're in the midst of this intense conversation. Like, where's my snack? I wanna do something that's logistical.
Starting point is 00:30:12 Sometimes when kids say that, it's their way of saying, this is a lot. Can I just titrate this for a moment? I think you can say that, absolutely. I'll get you those pretzels. The truth is, this is something we'll have short and long talks about for a long time. So sure, we can move on to pretzels honestly.
Starting point is 00:30:27 You know, I'll get some for myself too. But don't think that means it doesn't matter. It does. My kid asked me if he had to brush his teeth that night right after the conversation. So that is exactly right. I'm gonna skip to a different question. This is actually community, but I
Starting point is 00:30:45 think it kind of shows a flip side of what you were just describing. This is about how if somebody did not lose their home and how they want their kids to feel. So our home is still standing and our kids are happy about that. How do we hold that alongside with the sadness that we're feeling about our community being devastated
Starting point is 00:31:03 and just all the emotions that come with that. Yeah. And I think I hear this, I've heard this a lot from parents I've talked to, I want my kid to feel empathy, my house did not burn down. Like, yes, her life is extraordinarily disrupted, but like my kid, it seems to almost be like jumping for joy. Like, yay, my house didn't burn down.
Starting point is 00:31:21 It's like, seems so awful. The first thing I wanna say is I think, and I do this too with my kids, obviously in different situations, is we could put a very adult lens on these moments. And I think sometimes we want something of our kids that they're not really developmentally capable of. And to some degree, maybe even represents
Starting point is 00:31:43 like our own conflict that we want to resolve with our kids. If your house did not burn down, and a lot of people in your communities did, it's natural for you to have a lot of conflictual feelings. It's OK that you're happy, that your house didn't burn down. I want to say that because I think, again, this relates to this two things are true situation. That doesn't mean you don't have deep empathy
Starting point is 00:32:12 and care for the people who had it worse off. And what we choose to share with other people and the nature of our conversations are obviously something different. But when I think about young children, first of all, empathy takes time to develop. It's definitely not something you can force.
Starting point is 00:32:29 And if I know anything about that from my own backfired experiences as a parent, the more you try to make your kid feel anyway, the more you learn, oh my goodness, my road is longer there. Because now all of a sudden, I'm kind of trying to control something that did live naturally in my kid. And I've just kind of put up more blockers
Starting point is 00:32:44 because I've gotten into a power struggle. We can't force our kids to feel anything. Definitely not something as sophisticated as empathy. And if your kid. Did not have their house burned down. But they did have kind of the infrastructure of the life they knew. Be kind of wiped off the map. No matter what they say, even if it's,
Starting point is 00:33:06 I'm happy about my house that it's still there. I promise you inside there, they're trying to make sense of something they had never considered before, right? And so I think what you might be seeing as a lack of empathy is actually just a kid's very normal and developmentally appropriate struggle to make sense of what just happened. You know, I always say that the blocker to empathy
Starting point is 00:33:31 is actually regulation of our own difficult emotions. When we're overwhelmed with distress or difficult emotions, it's really hard to have empathy because the empathy is kind of underneath our own distress. I think kids going through this, they have a lot going on. And I think shifting your framework, how do I make them feel empathy to first of all, just what is my own range of feelings? I can have empathy and I don't need my kids to feel or do any certain thing.
Starting point is 00:34:00 There's nothing performative that needs to happen right now. This is way too serious of a situation. And I actually think if you back off, and if it does feel right to you or important, every once in a while you think, here's what's changed, you know, or here's what we missed and here's what we're grateful for, right? Oh, and some people don't have the things
Starting point is 00:34:22 on their grateful list as we do. Oh, right. You can't make them feel empathy, but in this way, you're modeling and setting kind of the foundation for that to more naturally emerge over time. Great. Thank you. Okay. What about things that we don't know yet?
Starting point is 00:34:40 Like when schools will open back up or where we'll land in terms of housing, et cetera. Yeah. So I wanna share like one of my favorite ways of starting a sentence with children. Honestly, it's something I say at work too, to the people who work here, when you're going through something with uncertainty. We like when things are categorized for us. We all do. We like to have kind of
Starting point is 00:35:06 containers and boxes and files. And actually the structure, here's what I know, and here's what I don't know, is a really powerful way to communicate with your kid, with employees, with anyone, when there's a lot of uncertainty. So let's say the thing you don't know is like, I don't know when we're going back to school. And I remember this event where it's like, just cause I don't know, that doesn't mean I can't say that to my kid. Okay, I don't know that.
Starting point is 00:35:32 Let's say that's it. Maybe some of you say, I don't know when we can go back to our home. Okay. Hey, sweetie. I want to tell you with everything going on, here's what I know and here's what I don't know. Here's what I know.
Starting point is 00:35:45 And you can make it concrete, literally make a list. And if this is true, and it's not true for everyone, our family is safe. We're alive and we're together. Here's something else I know. You know, a family member who's staying in the house with you, it could be anything, just helpful to have that list.
Starting point is 00:36:05 Here's something else I know. family member who's staying in the house with you. It could be anything, just helpful to have that list. Here's something else I know. One day you will go back to school. Here's what I don't know. When that day will be. Here's something else I don't know. When we'll go back to our house or what we'll look like. Here's something else I know.
Starting point is 00:36:32 I love you. I'm going to be honest with you. And as I get more information, I'll share it with you. And we're going to get through this together. If you notice what I often come back to is the ultimate thing we know is that we can connect to our kids. Aloneness is always the enemy when it comes to trauma, when it comes to feelings,
Starting point is 00:36:53 when it comes to difficult situations. Aloneness is when our feelings don't have kind of an eggshell around them. They don't have a container. So it just spills everywhere. And then for kids it comes out as more tantrums and more rudeness and all this stuff. When you are willing to tell your kid,
Starting point is 00:37:10 even here's what I know, here's what I don't know, and what I really know, and ultimately is true as I'm here with you, and I love you, and we are still a family, our kids can tolerate a lot more of what they don't know. And so that's something I would really put into practice. And what's really interesting, and I'm curious, you can feel free to give me feedback later.
Starting point is 00:37:30 Hearing yourself use that structure is remarkably grounding. When you say to someone, here's what I know and here's what I don't know, hearing yourself assert what you don't know, your mind is something weird. You're like, oh, I don't know the thing, but it is in my I don't know bucket.
Starting point is 00:37:46 It's been categorized. It's been filed away. I'm on top of it. And so that thing becomes a little more manageable even to you when you kind of categorize that. One more thing that's kind of like a list that I just want to share, because I think it's so powerful in any transition.
Starting point is 00:38:00 And definitely this is transition is like the worst freaking word. I mean, this is, you know, it does no justice. A list of same and different is remarkably grounding to kids. Let's say you're staying somewhere that's completely different than where you were sleeping two weeks ago, right?
Starting point is 00:38:16 Let's make a list of same and different. It is so helpful to know when so much has changed, what's different and what's the same. You can do this with your kids and you can start. What's the same? You know, and maybe I'm making this up, but maybe there's some book you read to your kids that like either you did bring with you or you got because it's such an important part of the bed. It's something. Okay. What's the same? Every night I read x-book before you go to bed. What's different, right? I'm sure you have a whole list, but you can just name one.
Starting point is 00:38:49 Here you're sharing a room at night with ABC people. And at home you just shared a room with your brother. That's different. Okay. And then ask for your kids. What else is different? And they'll probably say, again, really concrete things. That's so fine.
Starting point is 00:39:02 It's actually, again, them making sense. It's making a story, right? The event now has more of a coherent narrative and it's literally organizing something, right? And you can still do this with teens. The way I'd introduce it to teens is always different. Hey, I wanna do something that I think was really helpful even for me.
Starting point is 00:39:19 And I'm gonna say it, I'm just gonna say, you're gonna roll your eyes. You're gonna roll your eyes because you're gonna think it's stupid. And I'm gonna say, oh, you're rolling my eyes, but then we're still gonna say it, I'm just gonna say, you're gonna roll your eyes, right? You're gonna roll your eyes because you're gonna think it's stupid. And I'm gonna say, oh, you're rolling my eyes, but then we're still gonna do it because I think it's important, right? Just like, just give them the eye roll.
Starting point is 00:39:32 It's a whole nother topic, but we take eye rolls so seriously. I think sometimes teens roll our eyes as a way of saying, I'm an independent person and I kind of agree with what you're saying, but I need to roll my eyes to push what you're saying a little far away so then I can take it in
Starting point is 00:39:45 and still feel like the independent 16 year old I am. And then we get in a fight with them about rolling their eyes, even though underneath they're like, I was just trying to do this to like agree and take in your advice. So just let it go, okay? And I think the ultimate thing on the same list is your presence.
Starting point is 00:40:00 Kids need to hear, I will be here in the morning. Right, that is the same, right? They need to think, I will be here in the morning. Right, that is the same, right? They need to hear things on continuity that you probably think are obvious, but to them after this massive violation of expectations and they have fewer years of lived experience than you do, so, so helpful. So a same and different list,
Starting point is 00:40:19 like I actually have seen it be as helpful for a two-year-old as it is for a 30-year-old, arguably as it is for all of us at our unnamed ages. It's a helpful activity for adults as well. I think one thing that might be helpful is how might somebody use or remember to use these exercises when everything feels overwhelming? Totally.
Starting point is 00:40:42 I mean, look, I want to go back to what I said that, you know, in times of horror, struggling is the best any of us can do. And so when I'm sharing these ideas, no part of me thinks, oh my goodness, tomorrow's going to be amazing for the people I'm talking to. No, it will not. Today's not amazing.
Starting point is 00:40:59 Tomorrow's not going to be amazing. There will be one day when there's like a bigger sliver of amazing than there is today. And I don't know when that day is, but it's probably further than we want it to be. And it will come. I think the thing we can do, maybe everyone can write this down actually.
Starting point is 00:41:14 I think there's something really beautiful about writing it down. Of all the things we talked about today, what is the one thing that's loudest in your mind as something that resonates with your heart and is something you could see yourself doing? One thing, one thing. Write it down.
Starting point is 00:41:36 I'm just gonna share some. Joy doesn't invalidate grief. Saying here is what I know and here is what I don't know. Saying our family didn't burn down. Aloneness is the enemy. It makes sense that you feel it makes sense that I feel. Repair. Tell a story about what's been happening. Regulate myself first. Mandate self-care. I love the strength of that verb.
Starting point is 00:42:17 Mandate self-care. We can still make music, tell the events, talk about the sadness. Aloneness is the enemy. These are such beautiful single things. And I want you to know, do not doubt for one second that this one single thing will have a massive impact on your child and on yourself.
Starting point is 00:42:48 I want to transition with the grounding exercise. I think it's hard sometimes to go from connected events like this, where we're a little drop down and slow to the rest of our day where it's full of logistics and taking care of others and it's frantic and there's lists. And that transition is hard and honoring it with an exercise is important. So I'd love you to make sure both of your feet are pressed into the ground. And what I mean by that is just make sure both feet are flat. And after such a violation of expectations, after an event where it feels like your life was just taken
Starting point is 00:43:46 from you under your feet, pressing your feet into the ground and letting your body get that sensory experience of there is something beneath me is really, really important. I like to put a hand on my heart, but there's nothing magic about that. I just like to, in a moment of transition, try to connect more to my body.
Starting point is 00:44:10 Other people cross their arms like a hug to themselves. I know people who put a hand on the back of their neck and a hand on their forehead. And just so connect to your body, it could be a hand on your thigh. Or if that doesn't feel comfortable, nix it. You know yourself best. So connect to your body, it could be a hand on your thigh, or if that doesn't feel comfortable, nix it, you know yourself best.
Starting point is 00:44:28 I want you to remind yourself, it makes sense to be feeling all the feelings I'm experiencing. None of them are wrong. All of them matter and deserve my validation and compassion. There are a million moments when this will all feel like too much. And every day, there will be one single additional moment when I realize I'm going to get through this. And I want you to just hear my voice saying, I see you. saying, I see you. You are a brave sturdy pilot in the ultimate turbulence. And I believe in you and in this amazing community supporting each other. And I'm just giving you a huge hug. Connect with you all again soon, I hope.
Starting point is 00:45:47 Bye for now.

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