Good Life Project - Reimagining Midlife: My 2x20 Project™ Update & the Power of Experiments

Episode Date: November 6, 2025

In this deeply personal episode, Jonathan Fields reveals the transformative results of his two-year, 2x20 Project™experiment—an intentional journey of reinvention designed to set up the next 20 years of his life.Through candid reflections on hands-on creativity, meaningful connections, and confronting long-held fears, Jonathan shares how this structured yet fluid approach to life redesign has led to unexpected breakthroughs and a clearer vision of what it means to live authentically.Links mentioned in this episode: A Surprisingly Simple Way to Heal Chronic Pain that ACTUALLY Works? | Nicole Sachs, LCSWWhy Secrets Wreck Us: a Science-backed Practice to Reveal and Heal | James W. PennebakerLearn more about the 2x20 Experience™ here.Episode TranscriptCheck out our offerings & partners: Join My New Writing Project: Awake at the WheelVisit Our Sponsor Page For Great Resources & Discount CodesCheck out our offerings & partners: Beam Dream Powder: Visit https://shopbeam.com/GOODLIFE and use code GOODLIFE to get our exclusive discount of up to 40% off. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

So what if the most important project you ever started wasn't a book, a company, a movement, but the complete, intentional, sometimes messy, redesign of your own life? What if you gave yourself a two-year window, all focused, all in, you know, just a season of learning and doing, to set the foundation for the most fulfilling two decades of your life? I first shared this adventure with you, this thing I call my two by 20, about a year, and a half ago, I guess. And for nearly two years now, 24 months of experiments, fear confronted, incredible breakthroughs, and the occasional necessary face plan, I've been living that question. I've been asking myself, what might I learn, do, or build in these two years that would set up my

next 20 to center lightness, meaning, and joy? And friends, we are here. The two-year window is closing, and that 20-year next big season has been set in motion. The learn-and-do window is transitioning to build and live. And what I have learned about myself, about work, about relationships, about what it means to be alive and connected in this moment is nothing short of radical. It's shaken my foundational beliefs in the best possible way. And today, I'm pulling back the curtain on the final chapter of this intensive learning and doing phase. I'll share a bit of what's happening as I finally start facing one of my big fears

and stepping into the role of artist. I'll tell you about the power of running experiments the right way, rather than just declaring a path, the unexpected alchemy of leading a two by 20 retreat, the deep lessons I learned from the very first brave humans who became two by 20 coaching clients and the transformation of how I think about my public writing versus long form works like books. And I'll also share some very personal awakenings and questions and sometimes struggles that I've had as I moved through this powerful two-year window and started building into my next big 20-year season of work, love, and life. If you've been following along, if you're in those middle years of life, if you've felt that persistent tongue of restlessness, or if you've been secretly running your own version of the 2x20, this episode is your dispatch from the front lines. It's about the messy, beautiful, necessary work of becoming who you're meant to be. So buckle up, this is a big one, and for me, a truly personal and kind of profound one.

I'm Jonathan Fields, and this is Good Life Project. So two years ago, my 2x20 was just a personal project, a simple way to organize my midlife reflections and kind of channel that energy into intentional action. At 58, I was looking at the two years that I had before I turned 60, and I asked myself a simple question, what can I learn, do, or build in the next two years that has set up the next kind of big season of work and life to feel amazing? And the core qualities that I decided I want to center in the next season were in the beginning, simplicity, significance, and joy.

Though, as you'll soon hear, even those have changed over the last two years. or actually it's less that they've changed. I've just gotten a lot clearer about what I really meant by them. And put another way, what the feeling beneath the words were, the things that I had actual control over, no matter what life brings my way. So I started sharing my 2x20. I started calling this project 2x20 because it was two years to set up the next 20.

And I shared that in, actually, it was a newsletter post, a substack post, and then a Good Life Project episode, largely on a dare. Somebody who I knew, who knew I was doing this just in my own personal life, said, I really think you should share this and kind of dared me to do it, and I did. I honestly never expected the tsunami of response. It was clear. So many of you are just right there with me navigating this beautiful, sometimes terrifying,

sometimes messy question of what's next. And how do I make the next chapter the most aligned and significant and joyful and meaningful, one yet. We're now at the tail end of this intensive two-year learn and do cycle for me. And yes, I have run a bunch of new experiments since my last updates. Some have been glorious successes, like leading the first ever retreat, actually, which felt like watching a beautiful, profound idea take on physical form. Some have been necessary failures, lessons in alignment, energy management,

and what I need to let go of to make room for. the quote, right things in my next season. And a few, like a metalsmithing class and a deeper dive into being a maker have felt like coming home to who I've always known myself to be, albeit in new and exciting in different ways. And everyone wants to know, what did you learn? Did you figure it all out? Have you achieved simplicity and significance and joy yet? Short answer was not entirely because life is life, but I'm building the scaffolding to make it a lot more possible and a lot of it is actually starting to manifest in a powerful, real felt way. And most importantly, what do I want the next 20 years to actually look like now that my two years are almost up?

I'm here to share all of it, the raw truths, the hard-won insights, and the exciting, sometimes terrifying new paths that it has revealed itself. So I want to start out by revisiting a few of the foundational ideas in the 2x20. Long-term listeners and viewers have, heard me talk about this before, but if you're new here, I'll give you a little bit of foundation. So let's go back to the blueprint for a minute. For those who are new or a quick refresher, the whole concept of the 2x20 is built around the guiding question. What might I learn, do, or build in the next two years that would set up my next 20 to center the three defining qualities that you want to feel moving forward? The things you'd love to experience more

of, maybe even redesign your life around. For me, it started out as simplification. simplicity, significance, and joy. So my guiding question became then, what might I learn, do, or build in the next two years that would set up my next 20 to center simplicity, significance, and joy. And your words will likely be different. But I also learn that the three words we start with can sometimes evolve or deepen over time. As we start to get more intentional and precise and learn what we really want, sometimes a different set of three guiding feelings emerge or what happened to me, actually realized there was a deeper feeling or state underneath that was the feeling that I wanted to really center. So, for example, that word simplicity, it evolved into lightness

for me. So I thought life is so complicated and I tend to say yes to way too many things, making it worse. And then the world piles on. And that leads to the feeling of complexity and stress and overwhelm, sometimes even burnout. So I thought, hey, if I could keep it, things simpler. Well, that would solve the problem, right? But over time, I realized, while I do have a certain say in a certain amount of complexity in my life, there's also a lot of complexity that I don't and won't have control over, or I have some control over but not full. Some things I'll never be able to make simple enough for me to be okay. From the state of the world to the state of my body as it ages. So by choosing simplicity as one of my guiding words, I was actually choosing

of feeling or state that often lies outside my control. And in truth, it wasn't the feeling I was really after. What I really wanted was the ability to know that no matter what comes my way, I can still find a place of lightness, even in the swirl of complexity and a certain lack of agency over elements of both like my own existence inside elements and also elements of the outer world. The thing I'll always have control over, I realize, is my response. to these things. The ability to cultivate or return to a place of lightness, it's not about blocking out the complexity or even minimizing it, but rather acknowledging it, acting upon it, doing what I can to change it, while also cultivating the skills, practices, and shifts in mind that will give me

access to the feeling of lightness even in the midst of the swirl and complexity, even when things get hard. So I realized the more actionable word for me, the feeling beneath simplicity for me was actually lightness. So I've been building the muscle of equanimity in the face of complexity, which counterintuitively gives me greater access to lightness. The aim is to allow the complexity and sometimes the angst that comes along with it to let it in, to let it affect me, and when appropriate mobilize me, and also to let as much of it as I can, kind of in the Buddhist lens of it, wash over and through me, rather than smother and destroy me. So I made a similar shift from that second word also, significance, and I slowly saw that evolve from significance to meaning

as my second guiding word or feeling. And what I realize is significance for me over time began to feel just how do you describe this a little too external like it was about mattering to other people as the first and most important thing and of course in truth look I do want to matter to other people at least certain other people but that's also a really slippery slope to validation to surrendering your own feelings of being like feeling good about yourself to other people which I don't want to be a strong force in my life And I realized what I really wanted to center was a feeling of meaning. Like how I exist in the world, even when I'm doing nothing, feels like it matters, not just

to others, but first and foremost, just to me. Like how I show up, what I do, even just the energy I bring to an interaction, or the way I express myself or make or create feels meaningful to me. I can experience that through the simple act of creation that closes the gap between my sense of taste and expression, even if nobody else ever sees what I create. Or the way what I offer lands with someone else. It's the splendid both inside and outside job. It's the feeling that there's a reason to get up in the morning to be. So meaning became my second word. And joy, well, that's still just straight up joy. So those are my three guiding words, lightness, meaning,

and joy. And that brings us to a second big awakening in my two by 20. It couldn't just be about contribution or work. Because as I've come to know, everything affects everything. So it had to be about what I call the three good life buckets. This entire process is filtered through the good life buckets. So bucket number one, vitality. This is about optimizing your state of mind and body. Sort of like a foundation there. Bucket number two is what I call a connection bucket. And this is about the depth and quality of your relationship with others, with yourself, with the world, than any sense of something bigger. And the third bucket is contribution.

The way you devote effort or what most people might call work, although it may not, and sometimes, oftentimes, sometimes depending who you are, is not the thing you get paid for. You can't have a truly good life if any one of those buckets are running empty. They're a living, breathing ecosystem, feeding each other.

And in the beginning, I thought my two by 20 would be largely about contribution, but it became clear it really does have to be about all the buckets. You've got to put all three of the buckets in play because everything affects everything. And finally, to keep from just kind of wandering aimlessly, I kept coming back to a set of core guidelines. One, the guiding question is the anchor. Filter every decision through the question of lightness, significance, and joy. Two, always be running experiments. Get out of your head. Don't just think your way to an answer. It does not work. And I'll talk a lot more about that

in a bit. Feel your way and act your way there. Number three, inaction is not an option. Keep moving, keep learning, keep doing, keep bumping up against things that will then generate data that informs what comes next. And four, and this may be unique to me, resist the urge to commit too early. Hold the door open, explore, trust the process. This is one of the hardest from my maker, scientist self, who just wants to build the thing now. I'm just constantly want to go into, like, okay, I'm committing. I'm doing this new thing. I'm building it.

This is where I'm, and it was really important to not do that. Even when I was getting hits, like this is definitely going to be a part of what comes next, to keep holding myself open to other possibilities so that I really could let those seeds germinate in a powerful way and also create the space for even cooler, more interesting things to enter the conversation. And before we dive into the experiments and awakenings and kind of cool new past that are emerging from these experiments and even starting to get built, let's talk a bit more about experiments because I've lived so much of my grown-up life as a series of experiments and projects.

I took it for granted that everyone just kind of already knows how to choose, how to run, how to assess which experiments would make most sense for them to run in their own lives. and that people actually approached life that way, as a series of projects or experiments, to figure out which are the things that give the best information are fun and insightful, and also which help you travel down and create a path that feels like it was just meant for you.

Turns out I was wrong. Apparently, most people don't operate this way, and this was a big awakening. So as part of my own 2x20, and I'll share a bunch more about this shortly, I accepted five coaching clients and in October, 20 retreat participants to go deeper into creating their own two by 20 adventures. And as part of that, I realized I needed to distill my approach to experiments into something that was clear, step by step, and genuinely executable by others

because the more conversations I had, the more I realize this is not the way we generally go about life. So I went to work developing sort of a detailed two by 20 experiment process. process, really largely deconstructing and documenting my own process. It basically walks you through how to run awesome experiments across four different timeframes, from seconds to months, how to choose where to start, define, implement, and then assess them. And it was really cool to see this all take shape and then share it with others and see both the light bulbs go on and the relief on their faces when they realize they didn't have to figure it all out on their own or just immediately choose a path, but rather they can just run experiments in a really smart and fun

way. And now I have this great kind of straightforward, teachable and coachable framework for running what I call joyful experiments that sits inside my whole 2x20 approach. Now building on these foundational elements, let's see where the final six months of focused experimentation has taken me. And we'll be right back after a word from our sponsors. I'm spending a lot of time on my contribution bucket, and it have been especially in the last six months, because that's where the really big seismic shifts have happened. But let's start with the other two buckets where I've also been running some two by 20 experiments

or refining things that I've been doing before. So what we know is that bucket experiments and insights are kind of building the foundation of this. So let's start with Vitality Bucket experiments under the window. dough or the meta lens of my two by 20. This is the foundation for a lot of people. Without it, the whole structure crumbles. Or at least it's an important piece. Interestingly here, my three guiding words still apply in the context of vitality,

though the application changes a bit. Lightness becomes a literal physical idea. Am I carrying my body lightly? Is it lean and well? Does it feel light regardless of weight? Can I move with ease and do what I want to? And on the mindset side, can I find ways to to return to a mindset of lightness regarding how complex and sometimes heavy life feels around me? Meaning feels a little bit less directly applicable here, but maybe not. We'll talk

about that. And joy for sure is still central to the experience of vitality in my mind and body. Can I move in ways and experience my body as a source of joy and my mind as a source of joy and my mind as well as a driver of joy. And the non-negotiables in the contribution side, the activities that I've built into practices and the experiments that I've run, they're still largely in place. So hiking has become a big part of it, three to five times a week for me. It's just a part of me now. And since I've also learned about the blessing of winter hiking clothes, I pretty much

keep it going through the winter here in the mountains. Wind or snow, no longer afo. I actually kind of love hiking in snow. now. And as I record this, we're actually at peak leave season here in Boulder, Colorado. So when you hike up a peak, you just look out over this explosion of gorgeous amber and yellows and oranges and deep reds. And hiking checks all the boxes for me and delivers me into varying experiences of lightness and joy, even when my body is tired or achy. And interestingly, the connection I felt with nature and the natural world also, it cultivates a certain sense.

of meaning in the effort as well, a certain understanding of my place in the world, even a sense of smallness and impermanence that reminds me I'm just a part of a bigger cycle that's been going on for millions of years. And I know it's a little bit heady, but also something I feel in my bones when I'm in nature. That said, I have also been dealing with somebody stuff, kind of the story of my life, to be honest. Being a competitive gymnast, mountain biker, and rock climber in earlier years have taken a bit of a toll on this here frame over the years. So I've learned that sometimes I actually need to listen to my body and ease off a bit, give a time to recover and heal, go figure, and maybe explore different forms of movement. So I can kind of have like this

swappable basket of ways I like to move my body differently that I can tag in as needed when any given way just becomes challenging for me. And that way, if one isn't working, it's not about just not moving anymore. It's not like, well, I guess like I'm injured or I'm feeling this. I guess I can't exercise. I can't move my body anymore. I have these alternatives already in place. It's about shifting gears to something else for a bit. That will work. So of course, that also includes things like resistance training, which has been one of my big experiments, kind of a must-do, especially as you head into life's later seasons, just to stop what's known as sarcopenia or muscle loss that actually starts to happen to our bodies in our late 30s.

I still wouldn't call it fun, at least for me, let's be honest, it's a commitment, not a joyride. Again, some people may love it. I still don't, I haven't found that place in myself yet. But the delayed hit of Voidens is a powerful motivator. I mean, I'm thinking about my 80-year-old self. And that makes the investment worth it. The commitment is now to longevity, to being able to feel that lightness and joy in my physical and mental body, not just now, but hopefully for years and decades to come.

To be able to do what I want to do and move how I want to move for as long as I can, it's an investment that I am happy to make. And I'm also running these fun micro experiments, which I categorizes things that take minutes to hours, things like Tai Chi and Qigong and body weight exercises and more, and super easy to do this from my own home because of the magic of things like, oh, YouTube where 10 billion videos will let you run all these experiments for free from your own home. And I've also been exploring some nutrition experiments, right? So let's talk a little bit about nutrition, because this is such a fraught issue for so

many of us when it comes to vitality. What experiments have I run around the way I fuel my body as a part of my two by 20? Well, over the last two years, there have been so many. I honestly can't count them. And many before that. In part because I love doing these kind of experiments, but also because, look, I'm at an age where my body's needs are changing in a pretty noticeable way. And I've been trying to learn how to fuel it properly, not just for today, but for decades from now. I'm trying to optimize for now, but also for 10, 20, God willing, 30 years from now. And I've also noticed that in my 50s, being very frank here, I've added some weight to my frame. And I wasn't too happy about it.

It's less about how it looks and more about just how it feels and how I feel. And also concerns about the impact of long-term health. because I've seen the data. I have talked to so many researchers over the years about this. And the feeling was limitation and quite literally heaviness and concern, which leads to a psychological sense of heaviness, which is the opposite of lightness, both physically and in the way I feel about myself psychologically. So it's not about shaming myself when I think about this, but rather just wanting to feel good and take care of myself.

know I'm doing right by my future self, and those who also want me in their lives for a long time. Lightness and joy, these are still the drivers, even when it comes to my nutrition. And being able to do the things I love at a level that feels good to me. So you can't even imagine the experiments that I have run on the nutrition side. Fasting, intermittent fasting, fast mimicking, plant center, clean protein, gluten-free, dairy-free, low-carb, high-fat, unprocessed or un-autrocessed, tons of water. know this, lots of that, wearing at one point literally two different types of continuous glucose

monitors and taking my blood glucose at the same time and ketones. Some of these experiments lasted days, some weeks to months, some have become long-term habits. Now, some made me pretty neurotic, and I am generally not a neurotic person at all, and I felt like it was like too much. But what I've learned is that it's really individual to your physiology, your psychology, your psychology and your lifestyle. The only way to know what works for you is to learn what you can, get as much deep information and insight as you can. I've done a lot of testing too, and it's been incredibly helpful. And then choose what makes you feel the way you want to feel and gives you

the long-term outcomes you hope to experience, or at least set you on a path to that. And at least for me, that also has meant backing off being a total nutrition aesthetic. So sure, I eat in a pretty clean way now, right? Lots of fruits, lots of vegetables, trying to keep my proteins really clean and keep a good balance of macros. Generally, gluten-free-ish, terry-free-ish. There's a lot of forgiveness built into here. There are tolerances. That helps with the whole lightness side of things and lets me feel and do more things that bring me joy and feel like I'm actually doing right for me and for my body and for my future. But, but it also means I am not militant about anything. I sometimes eat the pizza or the bagel or the rainbow cookie or the

chocolate because, well, I mean, chocolate is basically my blood type. So that's a whole different story, but, you know, in moderation, for me, for my psychology, the life I want to live for my body, those things in moderation, they're not going to do much. And the experience, especially in a social context, assuming these things with people I love in moments and experiences that I love dropping into, that also brings me joy. And it's all about finding the right balance. And that's kind of the place that I have come to, individualization and balance. which brings me to, again in my vitality bucket experiments, longstanding mindset practices. And here I'm not actually going to say much.

You have heard me blather on about longstanding meditation and breathing practices and how important they've been for me for a long time. So I actually haven't really run many new experiments there. I just keep these practices going in the background because they're so important to my ability to live the life and want to live, relate in a way they want to relate, be less reactive and more intentional and responsive, and also, again, experience more lightness, experience more meaning, and more joy. But one last thing on my two by 20 experiments related to my vitality bucket that I figured I would talk about a little bit that I don't

think I have talked about before because it's kind of private to me. But it's also a really common experience. And that is something that I'm actually, I haven't started doing but I'm planning on doing as I shift into my next 20 mode. I have been exploring the relationship between physical pain and the mind. Focusing on a number of different modalities, studying a lot. Two that really popped up on my radar, pain reprocessing therapy and journal speak. I keep wanting to do these experiments, but I've been having trouble fitting them in and honestly wondering why.

So I am someone who lives with varying levels of chronic pain. I rarely ever talk about it, but it's a part of. part of my life and a part of my story. And I'm also fascinated by how the brain or the mind plays into this or potentially even generates pain. And in turn, differently harnessed or trained can potentially be the source of alleviation or relief. There is increasing research and evidence on this and more and more modalities that explored. It used to be like, you know, like, oh, your pain is just psychosomatic. That was a to dig. People felt shame. People felt sense of blame. What we now know is that so many things can

happen in our brains that can lead to the experience of somatic, physical, felt pain that is actually being generated by our brain. Our brain is always a part of pain. But even if it starts from injury or illness, and that is fully resolved, our brain can keep pain going. Or it can be rated to things like past trauma. It can be related to keeping secrets. There's fascinating. research on all of this. So I'm going to be doing a bit of a medium duration experiment for probably about 30 days or so, or probably a series of different ones. I think the first one will be using Nicole Sachs' journal speak as a way to see if I can tap the power of writing as a way to change my experience of pain through reprocessing it in my brain. I've had the

gift of interviewing Nicole, and also a number of others, another recent conversation that comes to mind around. This was one with Professor James Pennebaker. on this topic. And the research is truly compelling. You can go listen to those episodes if you're experiencing pain. That was Nicole Sachs and James Pennebaker, especially if you've tried everything or you thought you've tried everything, especially in the mainstream things, and nothing has really helped. And you're curious about a different approach. So big picture, what I'm realizing as we zoom the lens out on Vitality bucket and the experiments that I've been running and still plan to run, is that vitality for me, especially heading into the next season,

It isn't about peak performance. It's about resilience and longevity, lightness, meaning, and joy. It's all boiling down to those guiding states. It's about building a body and mind that can handle the complexity that's around me and that I know is coming and that I, as a maker, will probably create more of. It's a continuous, never-ending investment. So let's move on from Vitality bucket-based experiments in my 2x20 into connection bucket experiments and insights. For me, connection is the oxygen that fills the space created by vitality. It's where the energy goes out and comes back in. And the touchstones remain. And my wife and daughter and close friends and family are really at the core of it. So the Sunday three bucket check-ins with my wife

Stephanie have been so powerful, something we both look forward to. And if you haven't heard prior episodes. Basically what this is is every Sunday morning, we sit with a cup of coffee and use the good life buckets as a quick check-in. This can last anywhere from 10 minutes to sometimes if there's really a lot to check in with a couple of hours. And that is actually a great thing when that happens. We share really how full or empty each of the bucket has felt over the last week. We literally go bucket by bucket. We explore what's contributed to the feelings. And then we talk about how to support each other or what changes we might want to make to keep them feeling better. But of course, when we get to the connection bucket check in, we include our relationship

in there too. And it's become this great time to get honest about what we're feeling and explore what's driving it, whether the feeling is disconnection or deep connection. It's this safe space to center what needs to be centered, to build on what's working, to catch things that are getting hinky before they go off the rails. Did I just use the word hinky, by the way? And to repair what needs repairing, I would highly recommend this to anyone. So that's a 2x20 experiment that has now become just a part of both of our lives. And I've also been focusing more on really being present emotionally on a nano or micro level, meaning on a second to second or minute to minute basis. Spending a lot of time together,

not just being physically present, but also emotionally there. And honestly, that can sometimes be a challenge for me, as much as I have these long-term mindset and presencing and attention practices. In no small part, because the makers swirl that can sometimes consume me, and also because technology constantly kind of like shouts at me. But my mindset practices do help me notice when I'm checked out more quickly and come home to the person in conversation that's right in front of me more quickly as well. And they also helped me put down the device and turn off notifications. On the connection

side, also having our daughter home with us for a bit was this beautiful thing. I can never get enough of being with her, whether we're doing nothing, whether we're walking through a green market, hiking on some beautiful trail together, just talking about life. It's like soul food for my heart. My wife and daughter are and will always be my ultimate ride or dies. I mean, talk about lightness meaning and joy, they are the most direct sources of those for me. And of course, then you factor in friends and hikes and coffees and regular calls, which are still bedrock. I started running these micro experiments there as well, making sure that I scheduled at least one call or Zoom so that's remote and one in-person connection with friends a week. And sometimes you think

that's really hard to do on a weekly basis. And yeah, it takes some energy. but once you just start doing it over and over, you realize it gives you back so much energy and keeping those connections deep and alive is so nourishing and so important, it's worth it. It's worth setting aside the time to both schedule it and then make it happen. And that's become a truly important part of my days too. They're kind of like the essential rhythm. No longer experiments at this point over the last two years. They're just life. No big changes there. just really baking them from actions and behaviors into habits and then increasingly just an identity level thing.

And while we're on the connection bucket also, let's talk for a moment about the 2x20 retreat and coaching experiments that I ran. And I'll share a lot more about these experiments in just a moment when we get to the contribution bucket. But this is where connection kind of unexpectedly flowed into or flowed from doing what I thought was filling my, or running experiments for my contribution bucket. Spending three days in person with a group of just truly incredible and wise and kind and curious people at the first two by 20 retreat we did in Palm Springs, just all dancing with these

same profound questions with so many shared experiences and references in life. It was one of the most connected present experiences of my year. Just really juicy. It was a powerful thing for my connection bucket. And honestly, in a way that I didn't necessarily see comments. or expect. And also, interestingly enough, just being around them, holding space as they say, it helped me fill that connection bucket. I kind of fell in love with them all, just genuinely, very cool, relatable, open kind, creative, generous, action-oriented, and curious humans. And I want

more of those people in my life. Similarly, connecting one-to-one with a small number of two by 20 coaching clients that accepted, again, as one of my two by 20 experiments, more on that in a bit, who were deep in their own two by 20 journeys. It was also this really interesting, kind of beautiful, vulnerable, deeply meaningful exchange of energy. And it proved that the need for this kind of intentional supported deep dive is also real and that guiding others through the framework is also really energizing an interesting way to my own connection bucket. This may sound kind of obvious that it would affect me like that. But as someone who's very much an introvert and has generally found the best alignment in a one to some or one to many format, it was actually a real

eye-opener for me. Again, more on that shortly, but I figured I'd just sneak it into the connection bucket because, as I mentioned earlier, everything affects everything. So big picture, I've learned that connection, it is a muscle that atrophies without use. And its core is vulnerability and openness and curiosity. It's about being. seeing. It's about seeing other. It's about being present and allowing the truth of our shared experience to be the meeting point. And connection may well be my greatest and enduring source of lightness meaning and joy. So okay, that wraps up the connection bucket experiment. So let's get to the big one here, the contribution bucket experiments and insights. Now this is going to be a

little bit of a mixed bag because there's some really cool things I want to share with you. And there's maybe the single biggest one that I'll tell you a little bit about, but actually I'm waiting just a touch because there's a lot to share about it. And I'm going to put together a complete standalone episode on it in the next couple of weeks because there's something really big and cool coming that I'm just super excited to share. So let's dive into the contribution bucket a bit. The arena where the maker scientist in me has been both the most exhilarated and at times the most terrified. I'm nearly at that two-year mark, as we discussed.

I'm finally transitioning from learn-do to largely build and commit mode. Actually, that's probably been happening for the last six months or so. So I was very intentional about not narrowing focus too early. I wanted to keep experimenting and keep exploring and trying new things. But as my experiments made it ever clear what I wanted to focus, energy around, probably around 18 months into my 2 by 20, it felt natural and good to start really narrowing in and building into the next season of contribution in a more focused way. And one of the big questions that I had, and this really started coming up sort of like in the

second year for me, was whether coaching or advising in some form might be a part of my next big season of contribution. Now, I've done a lot of advising and strategy work over the year. But this was different in that the demand for my help right now, the call that is the loudest, has been actually around helping others develop and implement their own 2x20 adventures, which is a different thing for me. I'm used to working with people in business, with founders, with strategy, with all sorts of things in those domains. And this is just a whole different world, one that I'm deep in myself, but I didn't know how it would feel to work with others in this context. I decided the only way to know was to run my own experiments, taking on a very limited number of coaching clients. Now, before I did that, for some reason, even though I've literally been doing versions of this for decades, this voice inside me said, well, maybe it makes

sense to explore some more formal training, serve occasion. Even those colleagues who know me well and our exceptionally skilled advisors and coaches told me that for me, it probably wasn't going to give me what I needed or more accurately thought I needed. I thought maybe I knew better than them though, because that's sometimes where my brain goes. So if you've been with me on this journey, remember I actually ended up doing two different coach certifications, both as what I call learn term experiments, meaning they took months. And I learned that what I want, wanted to know was not going to come from them. I should have listened to those friends and colleagues earlier, at least not from the ones that I did. So sure, I gained their new skills,

but the real experiment had to take me into learning by doing in a much more embodied way. Studying the very things that I wanted to learn and at a pace that worked for me and me alone, not the average learning style and pace of a group. It really wasn't working. There were, They were like important steps that ultimately helped me realize that I am at heart and autodidact, meaning I need to design my own learning containers. They gave me language and structure, but the modalities just weren't a good fit. It was a lesson in trusting my gut and also those who know me well and knowing when to say thank you next. That said, they also helped me realize the only way to know of coaching might be a joyful and rewarding part of my next season, was to coach. I learned that I was kind of looking for a crutch I didn't need or an excuse

not to just run the experiment of doing the thing, which is very unusual for me, because I usually just do that, but there was resistance there. It was interesting to feel that. So early in the summer, I opened up two coaching spots for a three-month coaching engagement. The idea was to do a half-day deep-dive session, to do a lot of early wisdom transfer and start building momentum and action-taking in this intense opening move. And then work together twice a month over three months to help develop and guide and evaluate experiments as these amazing people crafted their own kind of juicy, rewarding two-by-twenty journeys. And it was all supposed to be virtual. A quick wrinkle occurred. So first, the two spots that I felt like I actually had time for, not that that would have been a great test anyway, were filled in less than 10 minutes.

It's kind of a big oof. So I reworked my schedule a bit and I figured I had to carve out some other time to take on three more clients for a total of five, which again was actually probably a smart move because that gave me a lot more data. It was a better experiment for me to run. And again, the added spots went so quickly, that also really surprised me. And the final one, this was the second wrinkle, the final person, wanted to actually get on a plane and do the opening half day with me in person. Huh. Okay. I guess I decided to look at that as another kind of experiment, like a version of the experiment I thought I was doing with some different data to put in.

The question was, would it be something that they didn't. and get a lot of benefit from, and would it be something that did the same for me? It had to be a two-sided yes here for the experiment. So big picture, I related it back to my three guiding words. Would it let me potentially feel more lightness, more meaning and joy in the way I focused my contribution energies moving forward? Interestingly, and this was another, I wouldn't call this a wrinkle, but it was something that I wanted to kind of test that we did very differently. I didn't vet these opening clients, which was another experiment. Everything I've ever done that was based around individual advising or service has had some kind of application interview process to help

really just ensure fit before we started working together. But again, that adds complexity and takes more time. And so I was actually curious how worth it the process truly was. So for these, I kind of took a big risk and took away that layer and turned down. out five incredible and very different people showed up. The work we did and for some continue to do was really powerful. It felt fairly useful and energy giving for me and I really enjoyed working in such an intimate and hands-on way, which again, kind of surprised me a little bit. That said, it also became clear that four clients at any given time, or five, was the absolute max for me, both in order to honor my introverted nature and need for solitude and creative work

end, also just because there are some other very big things that have been revealed and other, I mean, I'm also running two other companies at the same time right now, and that I'm super excited to keep building and shaping and bringing to life. That'll take a pretty meaningful amount of my time. The final part of this experiment was the one person who asked to do the opening half day session in person. They flew to Boulder, I grabbed a space, at local co-working space. And we spent the morning and then lunch together. And I have to say, the in-person opening move felt very different to me. Different in a way that I think is, at least on my side, better, just more energized, more direct, more alive. I mean, there's a transfer of ideas and energy that

happens when you're in a room with someone, at least for me, that's nearly impossible to replicate in the same way in the virtual space. So what was the verdict then with this experiment? As the current cohort of coaching work starts to wrap up, I have decided to create space in my calendar to take on a max of probably two new coaching clients a month. And I may end up actually having to cap that less as other things start to ramp for these limited three month engagements or what I call my two by 20 coaching immersion. And another big difference moving forward, I decided that the opening kickoff sessions will be in person here in Boulder because I just felt like there was a stronger connection that way, again, adding to my connection bucket in addition to contribution, and that we could do some really good, juicy work. And another change that I'm seriously considering is making these opening sessions full day instead of half day. This would let us focus not just on exploring the models and doing some really powerful

self-discovery work, but also getting immediately into the whole approach to 2x20 experiments and then brainstorming, narrowing, defining, and even implementing them in real time so there'd be even more powerful momentum coming out of that opening day. And of course, this doubling of the amount of time will also mean a bump in the amount of time that it takes for me,

and also that would need to be reflected in what the cost would be. But I really believe these shifts will be worth it. So I'm super excited to start inviting new clients into this experience as I head into my next 20. And the final change will very likely also be adding in an application and discovery call as part of the process. The five clients that I've been working with have been amazing. And moving forward, I'm just feeling like it would be important to have a process in place to ensure that great fit with new clients.

And of course, since we're talking about two by 20 related experiments, that brings me to the second big two by 20 related experiment that was under my contribution bucket. And that is the two-by-twenty three-day retreat that we just wrapped a few weeks ago in Palm Springs. And we'll be right back after a word from our sponsors. So, I mean, okay, beyond the fact that we hosted it at this stunning oasis of a home, just everything about it exceeded our hopes and expectations, 20 big-hearted, open-minded, beautiful humans showed up ready to learn and grow and do deep work. and to connect and be vulnerable and real and just drop any facades and let their humanity lead. And the questions and the conversations that emerged from them were so rich and genuine and alive with both curiosity and awakening. And we work really hard to create a container that feels safe

and warm and then build the experience from the food and the hospitality side, which my wife Stephanie, who's incredible experience designer overseas, to a curriculum that's just packed with not just ideas and learning, but also doing the work in real time, in the room, and not just individually, but in groups and pairs and sharing and discussing and taking action along the way. We didn't truly know what to expect going in on this. We've done a lot of experiences in the past from international retreats to year-long programs, to for five years, we ran an adult summer camp that by the end, you know, had, probably close to 450 people coming from around the world to do it.

But this was different. And we didn't know what to expect. We were blown away by what unfolded. And also by how connected these 20 people who were strangers in the beginning felt by the end, were there glitches or things we changed next time? Of course, this is where the learning comes from. This is why it's an experiment and we'll keep being an experiment as we keep learning. We were constantly making changes and refining along the way.

I kept literally building and rebuilding the curriculum in real time based on what I was seeing unfold when people were leaning in, when they were leaning out, which led to the biggest ahas or what were the juiciest conversations. And in the week that followed, I did a series of debrief with Stephanie, but still, we pretty much knew by the end of the three days, this was something we wanted to keep doing. And then when the feedback started come in and we started hearing a detail how impactful it was for the participants, I knew this was something that I want to keep deepening into and inviting people into as a part of my own next big season of contribution. I mean, lightness, check.

And I didn't know whether lightness would be a part of this experience for me because, again, introvert, like solitude. and I was surrounded by, you know, like people all weekend long for three days. But the way, the context, the way it all unfolded was very easeful for me. And there was a feeling of lightness with it. Meaning, oh, check, big time, just the explosion of light bulb moments and awakenings and just even just sort of like low-grade sustained insights and seeing people connect and form relationships with so many. meaningful to me, and joy a lot of moments of joy during it. So we're going to keep doing it.

This was a really interesting experiment. I want to say also that if we had decided after this, that it wasn't checking all the boxes. That would not have been what I consider a failed experiment. Do we have a hypothesis going into our experiments? Yes, this is part of my process. And I kind of have a feeling that we'll enjoy doing it and want to do more. But the key, the metric for our experiments, we run them in two by 20, is learning, not quote, success by some other metric. So the answer either way would have been, have I just learned something really important? The answer would have been yes, either way. It turns out that the information validated the hypothesis. So it was learning plus a validated hypothesis that said,

do more. So in fact, we're going to do that. By the time this episode airs, there will, there should be New pages posted on my, I think it's going to be on my personal website that both detail the coaching and retreat experiences with tons more info and links to apply or sign up if you're interested. I'll drop a link to those pages in the show notes, by the way, just for ease if you're curious about it. So those experiments have been amazing, but they're also not even the big ones. The real seismic shift in the final year has been confronting the thing that both actively have been craving with every fiber of my being, and also kind of simultaneously been avoiding for much of my entire adult life, and that is centering the artist, the maker,

but not just the maker of things like businesses, brands, books, and media, which I've been doing for decades and exist largely in the virtual space, but rather things that get made with your hands, with raw materials, things you can touch and feel. that exist in the world, from food to bread, to paint, to canvas, to metal, to wood, and beyond. These things are so core to who I am. They're the purest expression of my maker impulse. And yet I've created largely in the screen-based or media-centric domain for most of my adult life. And it's been, like, it's been amazing. I love that. I've been able to do that. And it's also, it has sidestepped the purest expression of my maker impulse.

And it's really start to feel like it's time to come home to my hands, to working and creating things that exist in the physical, the real world with my hands. And I also know I'm not the only one feeling this. The question for me has been how. And that has led to a series of experiments, both around how to just weave more time working with my hands into my life purely for the joy of it, things like taking metal smithing classes or working with wood or, you know, like doodling or painting or like making illustrations.

And it's also led to exploring ways to make it not just something I did, quote, on the side, but also maybe something I was able to center more, to take up a lot more of my time. And doing that would mean it had also take a meaningful amount of my available bandwidth. So I'd have to figure out a way to build something around it, something that would potentially invite others into the experience, while also letting me justify this substantial amount of energy and potentially resources it it take to do that. There's an opportunity cost to do this for me. There's an amazing amount

of positive, and there's also a very real opportunity cost. And I had to figure that out. It's taken months to work on running a series of micro experiments, figuring up potential models where hands and heart meant something bigger, but without sacrificing the magic of the simple joy of making things with my hands along the way that could not be decentered in whatever it was that I was creating and wanted to be a big part of my two by 20 and my next big 20 year season. And I'm so excited to share where this has all led and is leading. And as a result, what I will be bringing to the world very soon. But for now, I'm actually going to center that in an entire episode in just another

couple of weeks. And by the way, it even includes a TED Talk that I just did as part of that very journey, which kind of sets up a big part of why I did it. I recently presented that in this theater right here in Boulder that's basically a hundred twenty-five-year-old post-and-beam barn that just happens to fit about a thousand friends and neighbors. Again, I know I'm being a little bit cagey here, but you won't have to wait long. I'll share all the juicy details very soon and the backstory and so many of the awakenings that go along with it. So be sure to keep an eye out for it. And that brings me to

another big piece of my contribution bucket and experiments that I have run and some realizations. and that's writing. So let's start with a quick reflection on the big, quote, substacked experiment. A year and a half into writing my Awake at the Wheel newsletter there, I started wondering why I was doing it. In the beginning, it was supposed to be a place where I could drop the facade and the filters to censor less and let more of the real quirky, sometimes snarky, sometimes funny, at least to me, and creative self-out, to be more about story than how to, more about the feeling than the lesson. And yet, the more I wrote, the more the audience built, the more I found myself falling into the same patterns when I've written regularly and publicly in the past. I started writing

to the lesson, to the list of points, to the central teachings or takeaways. It's what I know. but it's also completely contrary to what my intention was when I started. I wanted to let more of the artist in words take the lead. To be less about what to think and do to feel the way you want to feel. And more about just creating the aesthetic experience that makes you feel it. I did that here and there. I do that when I story tell. But then I pulled away and started falling into kind of the same old, same old.

I literally have nearly 80 posts. draft in my substack. And every time I keep thinking about dropping back in to finish one, I kind of have to pump myself up. So this experiment start to go a bit sideways. And I guess maybe the experiment itself didn't go sideways, but I stopped actually assessing on a regular enough basis to realize that maybe it wasn't doing what I hoped it was going to do for me. So this is not what I wanted to channel this energy into. I didn't, it wasn't feeling like what I wanted to feel like. So I pulled back with the intention of reassessing the deeper why behind my public writing.

Part of my experimental methodology is a whole process, a four-step process of assessing and correcting course. And that's what I'm in the middle of right now. I also, you know, I started just struggling with my basic bandwidth, bigger picture too, A key lesson I keep bumping up against is the fact that there's one of me and my maker impulse has so many desires and potentials exploring in it all the time. I've got to be in a state of constant pruning in order to just get through each day, let alone feel like I'm able to show up and do my best work on any given yes. So instead of writing weekly with too much of a sense of prescription and obligation,

I dropped down to about a monthly essay or a post now. And I've been actively trying to figure out how to find the courage to let the artist take the lead in my more public and regular writing, not always letting the teacher take the lead. I needed to run the experiment of lightening up on my commitment to a schedule so I could create the space to find a way to come back home to my intention to write publicly and short form in a way that makes me feel alive. that checks those boxes of lightness, meaning, and joy. Because I honestly think I had lost the thread for all three. And I'm still trying to figure that out right now. And along the way, I'm also wondering where the line is between my public periodic writing

and working on longer-form work, like books. I quite literally know the next four books that I want to write. I have been seriously jonesing to get into them, but I keep feeling like every word I write publicly for public regular consumption that it's also a time and energy that I am taking away from writing those books, which I'm being honest, I care about a lot more, and I'm really itching and excited to get into already. So I still love writing. I will always write. And I know that if I want to keep earning a part of my living, writing long form, meaning writing books, I need to find a way to keep showing up. and offering my words in a short form public way. It's a dance. And I'm really feeling the opportunity cost of this in books not written or finished or

even started right now. So I'm working on what experiments I need to run really next in order to find the right balance here. Because as I head into 2026, I want, I mean, strike that. My soul needs to be working on the next book. And I'm not sure if I can do that in the immersive way I want to and keep writing regularly and publicly at the same time, especially given some of the other projects that I currently have going on and the ones that are soon to take a lot more of my time and energy.

And finally, under the contribution bucket experiments, it was time to zoom out to the big and during projects that have been centered in my contribution bucket for many, many years now. Because part of the two by 20 requires that I not have any sacred cows. There's nothing that I can hold back. I have to examine, be willing to examine everything, especially when it comes to my contribution energies. It was important to put everything I was doing up against the wall and consider whether it was something I wanted to keep investing energy

and to keep doing, to keep doing but maybe do it differently or to bring to an end or transition it. And what I realize is that I've been avoiding doing this in a meaningful way with the two major endeavors that have consumed much of my contribution energies for years now. This very podcast, Good Life Project, and also my other major endeavor, Spark Endeavors, which houses all the intellectual property and programming and services associated with the Sparka type body of work. So looking at this podcast, many of you know, I was very early to the podcasting world. We launched in 2012.

It's been at it for 13 years now. And over that time, the show has grown, into a pretty big thing. We've been blessed with a very large, devoted global audience, many of whom have been with us for a very long time. And the show has been listened to and watched over a hundred million times. I mean, that's kind of insane. And as podcasting has become a real industry, and we just never quit, even when times were really hard and very few people were listening, and the economy got challenging, we also grew to become a real viable business. And I'm proud to have grown with an amazing team who's been together for me.

many years now. I never would have dreamed that what we've created was impossible when I began. And I've also been careful to regularly try to do the dance of figuring out how to keep the show valuable and interesting and entertaining for our audience while also finding ways to ensure it's enough of a conduit from my own evolving and ever-changing interest and curiosity that I'm excited to keep showing up for it month after month year after year. And look, sometimes I do a better job of that. Other times I don't. It's a a really interesting challenge, to honor how you've changed, to integrate that into the work that you're doing, and keep striving to find the sweet spot between that and what others value.

And I am incredibly grateful to know that he who and so many others keep showing up and saying yes to the way that we're showing up. And in the same vein as my interest and focus shift, you'll see that continue to be reflected in the show over time. And it's why we keep running experiments with the show to find that sweet spot. including with solo episodes like this, where I get to just share a lot more of the behind the scenes, the big awakenings, be more personal, and share what I've been discovering and thinking and feeling along the way and help you find value in that too. At the same time, we're also working on some very cool new experiments in the way that we produce and where we

focus. We have a really cool new series coming away, like our eight-week future of medicine series that's happening here on the podcast every Monday, actually, in November and December. It's been incredible finding and interviewing some of the leading voices in science and technology and medicine over the last few months and learning about the incredible new discoveries and treatment modalities that are coming and working with just my amazing team to put this whole thing together. And experiences like this, creating this space for evolution and change and letting our creative output reflect the evolving interests, that is part of what keeps things like the Good

Life Project, which literally has the word project built into it, alive and growing and energizing for me over time. And that brings me to that one other long-term thing, the Sparketype body of work. So I developed the Sparketype assessment in 2018. Since then, over a million people have completed, generating one of the world's largest data sets on work and meaning, and more importantly, helping more than a million people really figure out what kind of work makes them come alive so they can go and do more of it because they need it and the world needs it right now. And the tools and programming have also, they've been implemented in some of the biggest, most innovative companies in the world, sometimes through our network of certified

Sparketype advisors, other times directly through me and my own work with leaders and teams. I literally was paid for a gig once in ice cream doing the spark of type work because the gig and the client meant so much to me. It's been a pretty fun journey. It's a body of work that I'm incredibly proud of and there's still so much more potential for new applications and programs and demographics to be impacted. And there's also, as much as I try to fight it, again, only one of me, which creates a lot of tension. So part of what I'm doing behind the scenes over the last year is working on running these micro experiments to try to figure out the best way forward, not just for the brand, which now has global recognition, but the full body of work.

And more specifically, what will my or potentially others' roles in that be? It's a big question with a lot of exciting tentacles that's going to take some time to figure out. So I've just been deep into the exploration and conversation mode, working on where it all fits into the mix of my next 20. So no answers yet, but the tiny experiments are starting to yield more insight. Micro experiments to see what feels best, and those are already creating a bit of a trajectory here.

But still too early to know exactly where it leads. But I wanted to bring it up because this is all a part of my contribution mix. And as you start to add new things into your contribution mix, it's really important to look at the things that have been there for a long time, and ask the question, what is their continuing role? So this part of the exploration, it'll continue past the opening two years of my two by 20 and we'll see what 2026 brings. And that brings me to today. As I record this, the window on the two year part of my two by 20 is closing in just a few weeks. And I'm already transitioning into the 20 year season of transformation and new growth in creation, all designed to support my ability to do more

of what makes me come alive while surrounding myself with people I cannot get enough of and bringing more lightness and meaning and joy into as many moments and days as I can. There's an incredible amount of clarity and momentum, as I've spent a lot of the last six months shifting from learn, do, and explore mode into narrow and create or build mode. The foundation is already largely laid. The scaffolding is largely there. And while there are still open questions, many answers and a sense of path, along with the core elements of it have become clear. And I'm loving how it's all coming together.

And what's been amazing is because I gave myself the full two years to get here. There's been this powerful blend of creative tension. I wanted to use this window of time to take action to learn a ton and start to build my next big season of work and life. And at the same time, knowing I'd given myself two full years and not two or six months has also built a lot of grace into the process. It's been driven more by curiosity, action that feels more like play or an exciting unfolding, rather than any sense of force or friction or aggression.

It's all just felt incredibly joyful and organic. And the level of clarity and insights and awakening and change just kind of floored me because honestly, it hasn't felt all that hard. I mean, yes, I've worked really hard at it. But it's also felt aligned and easeful, like kind of coming home to who I've always known myself to be and to how I've always known I wanted to live and work and be in the world, but never quite let myself own or make happen. It's almost like I'm finally just letting myself show up and assemble the pieces of my world

in the shape of a puzzle that's a more honest, truer representation of me. and it feels a bit scary, but also the more I open to it, it also feels just really, really good. So now that I'm shifting into the next big season of work and love and playing and life, what does that look like? A deepening of the relationships that matter most of me, my daughter, wife, family, and close friends. A deeper commitment to listening to and caring for my mind and body, but not in ways I've been told I'm supposed to do, but rather in ways that I have experimented with to know what truly fits who I am and what I need. The artist's work, the work of the maker in me, especially the hands-centered maker,

is coming closer and closer to center stage. Again, I'll share a whole bunch more on that very shortly. The teaching and advising work is refined. My limited coaching work is now exclusively focused on guiding individuals in the creation of their own 2 by 20s, helping others design their next. great season, using all the frameworks and tools I've now developed, and also gathering people a few times a year in a gorgeous retreat format for three transformational days, and reallocating more of my writing energy back to longer form to books and stories. There may even be some fiction

coming at some point, which really scares me, but also really entices and excites me. And also just books that spend less time telling you what to think and do in order to feel the way you want to feel, and just making you feel it. And again, that'll tie in in a big way to the maker focus project that I'll soon share more on. In a more limited way, stepping back into some speaking, facilitating the two by 20 retreats is one mode I'm really excited about. Actually, just did my first TEDx in 15 years. I loved it. And strangely, now that I've gotten clear on how I want to show up as a speaker, interestingly, opportunities seem to be arriving, courtesy of the strange universe we live in.

though the topics will change to really better reflect where I'm focusing these days. And yes, the next 20 years will center much more on the creation of beautiful, meaningful, tangible things that exist in the real world, wrought not just from words and images, but also metal, wood, paint, and more, all from hands, which I'm literally sitting on as I share this because I know what it's going to look like, but I'm still not quite ready to reveal it. So stay tuned. So if this whole 2 by 20 journey has taught me anything, it's that self-awareness is not a destination. It's this perpetual unfolding.

And also, manifesting what you want to be real in your life is not a destiny. It is a perpetual unfolding. And by manifesting, I don't mean in the woo sense of the word. I mean, just by making it happen, making it real. And if you let yourself be guided by these things, by this unfolding, you will naturally and eventually be moved into a state of change. And that can be scary, but you know what's even more scary? Letting fear stop you from becoming or maybe more accurately returning to who you've known yourself to always be. Before you built a life around expectations and desires that weren't entirely your own,

or at least based on the truest possible understanding of who you really are, what truly matters to you, and what you need to feel and experience in order to not just exist. but feel alive. And you can't do this by just focusing on a single domain of life, because, as I've shared, everything affects everything. So you've got to put it all up against the wall. Stop trying to think your way to answers and solutions. You've got to do your way to them.

Find support, even if it's just your dog who likely knows you better than most and supports you more unconditionally than most, and do the joyful work of coming home and coming alive. And as I've come to learn over these last two years, this isn't just my story. This is the story of anyone who is at a crossroads wondering what their next great season can be. The answer is rarely found in the head. It's found in the doing, the experimenting, the courageous act of asking the question and then living your way to the answer. So as my two year window closes, and I shift into my next big season, I want to turn the question back to you. What is your next season going to look like. What is the thing you've been avoiding out of fear? What is the experiment or the

experiments that you need to run to find your clarity? And what if you committed to spending the next two years learning, doing, and building your way into a 20 year season of work and love and life that just felt so much more alive? Or if two by 20 doesn't feel right for you, adjust it to fit you and your needs, your desires, and life. Maybe yours isn't one by five or ten or six month and three years, whatever it is. The invitation is to be intentional with the quest to know yourself on a level that empowers more aligned and honest action and to craft a future that let your life shine more brightly than ever before, no matter what's going on around you. And of course, as a side note, if you'd like a little help with that, you can learn more about the upcoming

2x20 retreat or coaching immersion spots. I'll just drop a link in the show notes below. This journey has been amongst the most fun and fulfilling of my adult life. I don't have all the answers, but I have a lot more tools and insights and curiosity and clarity to keep exploring, and I hope you will too. And as always, thank you so much for being here. You are good people. And I truly love doing this thing called Life with you. I'm Jonathan Field, signing off for Good Life Project.

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