Green Light with Chris Long - 49ers & Bears Offensive Fireworks, Seahawks Tame Panthers & Eagles Victory | NFL WK17 Reactions

Episode Date: December 30, 2025

The 2025 NFL season is 17 weeks old and with the playoffs right around the corner, a few playoff seedings and spots are still up for grabs. The San Francisco 49ers defeated the Chicago Bears in an offensive shootout to keep their hopes of the NFC's #1 seed alive. Brock Purdy and Caleb Williams traded punches throughout Sunday evening until the 49ers defense stood tall. The Sam Darnold and the Seattle Seahawks knocked off the Carolina Panthers, setting up a week 18 matchup that'll determine the winner of the NFC South. The Philadelphia Eagles held off the Buffalo Bills comeback attempt. Jalen Hurts commanded the first half and Josh Allen owned the second half but it was the Eagles defense that dominated the entire game, allowing the Eagles to stay alive in the race for the NFC's 2nd seed. The Steelers fell to the Browns, the Ravens knocked off the Packers and the Texans defeated the Chargers to all set up wild Wk18 playoff implications. Chris and the fellas break down the games, talk through the playoff outlooks and give their best thoughts on the teams that can win a Super Bowl this season. (00:00:00) - NFL Week 17 Reactions: Dawg of the Day (00:08:35) - Philadelphia Eagles vs Buffalo Bills (00:42:00) - San Francisco 49ers vs Chicago Bears (01:06:15) - Seattle Seahawks vs Carolina Panthers (01:19:00) - Miami Dolphins vs Tampa Bay Buccaneers (01:27:45) - Baltimore Ravens vs Green Bay Packers (01:30:25) - Cleveland Browns vs Pittsburgh Steelers (01:42:45) - Houston Texans vs LA Chargers (01:54:20) - Denver Broncos vs Kansas City Chiefs (01:57:05) - Jacksonville Jaguars vs Indianapolis Colts (02:08:00) - NFL Playoff Previews: Teams That You Trust (02:22:35) - Bermuda Triangle Games: Lions vs Vikings, Bengals vs Cardinals, Cowboys vs Commanders, Saints vs Titans, Patriots vs Jets & Giants vs Raiders (02:36:15) - Locals Landline Presented By Zone (02:41:45) - BetMGM Moments (03:26:05) - MNF Preview: LA Rams at Atlanta Falcons Have some interesting takes, some codebreaks or just want to talk to the Green Light Crew? We want to hear from you. Call into the Green Light Hotline and give us your hottest takes, your biggest gripes and general thoughts. Day and night, this hotline is open. Green Light Hotline: ‪[phone]‬ Also, check out our paddling partners at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Appomattox River Company ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠to get your canoes, kayaks and paddleboards so you're set to hit the river this summer. Green Light's ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube Channel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, where you can catch all the latest GL action: If you want some Black Friday merch, check out our sale:https://greenlightpodcast.shop/?fbclid=PAZnRzaAOR1RFleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZA8xMjQwMjQ1NzQyODc0MTQAAad3Jup6i1N2qH77pK8eUeSbKt2Y0OXMldIw1dRTq_xDRuY3Ctp99Qj4pfyGAw_aem_w9tp_XwGL-ZptFIHvlrM1g Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I love the 49ers for what they did for my family last night. This was a call the police situation, and I called Kyle Shanahan, and Kyle Shanahan made it all okay, dude. I don't want to see the bills and the Texans play. I think the Texas probably win that game. I don't think the Patriots want to see the Texans. No disrespect. No, I don't think the Broncos want to play it.

I said this last night, I'll say it again. If the Steelers won the Super Bowl, I will walk across the country. What's up, y'all? How are we doing? How are we doing? I'm a little bit under the weather, so I'm going to be bundled up today. That's what I get for hanging around a bunch of family gatherings. It's that time of year. Some really nasty bugs going around.

So, excuse me, I'll try to use the cough button. Last night, I really struggled to use the cough button on the show, and I think that was pretty disruptive to the live stream, so I apologize to anybody that experienced that. Hey, I got Dr. Fack. here. I got Nolan here. I got Cowboy Reed here. Bo's inside the computer. Hello!

Holy shit. The boys torched. And then we got Tanner behind the machines. Oh, you got a code red? Look at this. Oh, you got a code red? What's good with the code red? If you're sick, get yourself a Mountain Dew Code Red. I got Mono in college really bad.

One time my roommate randomly brought me a two liter of code red. I was cured in like four days. Did you ever get mono? Nate. It only took four days. It's a kind of white guy. I think it is. The kissing disease, right? The kissing disease. But yeah, never.

Max doesn't kiss. Never, never got Mono. That's what dudes used to tell me when I got Bono in college. I don't think, honestly, I don't think I kissed anybody. I think I just got Mono the good old-fashioned way. I did. I did. After somebody at the bar.

I don't think it was a bar kisser. Yeah. Well, yeah, Mono was terrible, dude. I lost like 30 pounds with Mono. It was in the middle of football season. And then I remember like, they were like, yeah,

you can't practice because you're going to rupture your spleen. And some of the coaches were like, what can you do today? Like seriously, it was like one of those things. They were like, yeah, no, literally the trainers are like, no, literally like he can't.

No. So anyways, yeah. Code Red, how much caffeine's in that thing? Oh, let me check. Hopefully a good amount. I'm about to get fucking. Torque boy caffeine.

Oh, only with 91 migs. That's it? You know. What is that? Like a cup of coffee? Tom Cruise has shot down 91 migs in his career. Yes, he has. That's a good one, cowboy.

That's a good one, cowboy. Dog of the day? Dog of the day, dude. I totally, like with everything that I've been dealing with the last 24, I kind of forgot about the dog of the day. so I apologize you. Bo, do you want to introduce the dog of the day?

Oh, I got a dog of the day. That is Duchess Pappardell of Noodle. That is my niece, I guess. You could say if you're a fucking weirdo. But that is my sister's dog. She's a good dog. She's a Vichla. It's a fun, fun breed, very energetic.

Yeah, there's us watching the quad box. Yeah, pretty handsome breed of dogs. They're pointers too. So why's that ear? A big of a testicle. I don't know. I do not know. They don't shed, right?

That's also a Vesel. No, they do not shed. That's great. Yeah, we've, we had a bunch of Vicholas growing up. Here's another fun fact, everybody in the chat. Our Vichlas had crazy fucking names. So this is Duchess Popperdell of Noodle. Goes by Poppy.

Penelope and Lumpkins Jr. Alan the third was our previous visual. My dumb asshole sister named that one. And then we had ginger pie dancer head, Alan, which is our first feature. Ginger pie dancer head. Also named by my sister. I don't know if you can pick up the trend here, but she basically names all of our dogs crazy fucking names. Dude, do these dogs have personalities like that?

A little bit. Poppy is kind of, I mean, they're pretty energetic. I'm not going to lie. She's still pretty young. She's like two now, I guess. She doesn't have the old dog. You got to exercise it, that sort of thing. Yeah.

First things first, we got a shout out, you know, Virginia football. Because although Tanner brought us, I think he brought Nate this shirt and then Nate just set it on my chair. But this is first team from Virginia to go to a college football playoff, which. We'll just forget about how that went. It's a really nice t-shirt. We actually won our postseason game. We beat Mazoo, and boy, was it close. Wasn't it?

Did you watch the end of that game? Nope. Buddy, I was convinced we were going to lose. When the ball was in the air, I was like, yeah, we're definitely going to be. Well, it was unreal that the starting quarterback had to leave the game for concussion symptoms on the play before that final throw. And then a walk-on had to come and throw the Hail Mary to the end zone. That was almost completed. No, I know.

I was actually happy about that when it happened. As soon as it happened, I was like, oh, he has to come out. Oh, yeah. He has to come out, and they don't have no time out. No time. Great. Oh, my God. Great.

Great. Great. Great. Great. Was that his last game? The Mazoo QB? Yeah. I don't know.

Even if it was or not. What a terrible way to end this season. Like, you having to come off the mail. and have to get off the field for a play. Have to come up for one play, and there's only one play left in the game. Yeah, dude, that's rough. That's rough.

Whether he was going to, you still want the chance as a quarterback up there, right? Like, you want to be the guy to throw it up. Yeah, no, no question. He's a freshman, so he's got a few more shots at it. And that was a weird situation for me personally, having played in St. Louis,

and there's a lot of Missouri fans. I was getting some tweets that were like, sorry this week, I fucking hate you, that type of thing. but we got the win and exercised our demons facts because now, well, I don't know if we had won in the Gator Bowl before, but me and Fax lost our only Gator Bowl. Oh, and one, Texas Tech, eight-foot splits between offensive linemen.

Actually, it might have been nine-foot splits. Yeah. That was crazy. You remember the splits in those games? Oh, do I? Like, legitimately, Mike Leach had those guys. Three feet wide. I only played one snap in the first.

half in that game I had a stack for a safety that was your one snap yeah because those stupid ass splits usage rate bro I lined up next to you and like three old linemen even with these splits all just went to you motherfuckers just had a free world seriously dude Graham harrel Graham harrel dude and crap Michael Crabtree ruined that game for us he did dude he he ruined the game for us and it like it was so bad that like I remember like a year later we were just watching a Texas tech game on like TV or something and my like he scored like some crazy touchdown and my wife was like yo that was a crazy play I was like what the fuck did you say? Like we got like a little argument because I that was still so fresh. Oh my God. I was like that was the worst day of our lives man. That was awful. But yeah now we got a Gator Bowl win. So shout out to the Waho's man. somebody said nobody wants to hear about virginia football christ for real for real well for real for

real amen madam priest i really don't give a fuck what you have to say at all you don't work at my company you're not part of my family um i don't care about you um you can leave it in the suggestion box uh okay uh madam priest what do you want to hear about let you lay this show out. Um, all right. Let's do, um, let's, let's, let's start with the, the wackiest game of the day. To me, the Hemingway game was, uh, Bill's Eagles. Okay, that was fucking wild. I, I would just say that, like, I don't know where you, you want me to start, like, obviously huge choke job by Josh Allen, just a massive choke job on the last player game. And you can't play that way in the playoffs if your job.

like there's no excuse for missing that throw and you know like honestly and and I'm hesitant to start with this because I know we should make it about the Eagles winning the game because there's a lot of things the Eagles did well although they didn't complete a fucking pass in the second half and you know Petulow looks as inept as ever but you know the offensive line looked terrible in the second half it's just it was mind-numbing to watch Buffalo as close as they got in that game I don't know who I don't know who probably walks out of the game feeling better about themselves going into the playoffs. The Eagles are the bills. The Eagles are now 42 and two or something when they win the turnover battle under with Jalen Hertz as a quarterback. Is that, it was either with Jalen

Hertz as a quarterback. It was Siriani as the head coach. And I think that kind of colors in a lot of why they played the game the way they played it. I'll just, it was one of those things where we all look at that last play and for Josh you've got to make it point blank period and I could have an opinion on what the two point conversion call should have been or how they they should have carried the end of the game that way but like there was a lot that Josh did that put them in the position where they had to make that play like to me it's not just about the two point play there were there were situations in that game that he wasn't his best and I will come back to that, but I wanted to start by saying that. I think the number one thing that I have to

talk about in this in this game is that the Eagles won this game by taking care of the football. Okay, like it's a monsoon out there. It's not an ideal situation for either of those quarterbacks. I'm not going to sit here, although Jalen in the second half did not complete a pass and the offense, again, like in the second time this year that's happened to him, I'm not going to sit here and dump on him because they did what they had to do to win the game. And it's not, a news flash type situation that that offense is hot and cold that's who they are you know like we get so caught up in the narratives of like you know is this quarterback you know top five is he top ten is the elite like is he better than this dude fuck all that the eagles as bad as they played in some

spots they hit one shot to get down in the red zone they capitalize with a touchdown they kick two field goals and they did not put the ball on the ground the bills put the ball on the ground and you know But honestly, if you're talking about the currency that really, that really, I don't know what the word would. If you're talking about like the currency this year in the playoffs, it is defense probably. I mean, we talk a lot about like the quality of the rosters and defenses. It's not a year for like all the elite quarterbacks are either either taking a step back or they don't have the pieces around them. Right. So it's kind of like a weird year.

And a defense like the Eagles defense can win you playoff games. And do I trust the Eagles offense? Absolutely not. I don't. But the one thing they don't do most of the time is turn the ball over. And you heard that stat, 42 and 2 or something, when they win the turnover battle. If they don't do what they did in L.A. against the Chargers, like, they're miraculously in a lot of these games. And so while I'm looking at the route concepts in the second half and going like, what the fuck are they doing?

while I'm looking at the offensive line and saying, man, how the mighty have like fallen, dude, like that the groups that that catapulted them into the Super Bowl, those two years, two of the best offensive lines this century, right? Like, and you can go across eras, but I would argue that like sustained success from our team to the, to this team, like up to 24's team, that was an incredible sustained run of offensive line play. I got to say like it would go down to history as maybe one of the best sustained runs of offensive line play, you know, in the NFL, especially in the modern era. They don't have that right now. They don't. When you watch Cam Juergens play right now, I thought he came into the season, probably not healthy. I'm not trying to make excuses for people. You know, people are always like, hey, you're making an excuse for somebody. No, I'm just giving you the context. I don't know that Cam's been healthy all year. I don't know. Landon's been healthy all year.

I don't think Steen's a, like, Steen's a good, solid player, but he's not a world beater. And Fred Johnson is as good as he is, boy, you should have seen. Did you see him get fucking picked Teague? Did you see that pick T.E. Nate? Dude, he got thrown out the club. Is that like a three-text dream, bro? He was pissed after.

He was so mad. But my girl's in, man. He was yelling at Jordan. That's crazy. That's like, that's how you get pissed. Yeah. These motherfuckers won't let me in. Yeah.

Girl got in. Yeah. But it was just that, yeah, like when you get, when someone gets the best of you and maybe he was mad that like someone didn't call it out or It's just one of those things no one you never like to be going backwards on a football field and you end up on your butt It's never it's never a good look And then it's just I feel like taking on that T.E stunt is just for old lineman like yeah That's kind of that's kind of like a staple of like stopping a run block but Stopping like that two-man game is basically like a staple, a part of being a O-Wa-W.

Well, I was kind of surprised that he was so mad. But, you know, I was like, man, like they just got it. I think he was mad at Steen for not passing it off. For not passing it off. You know, like the guards got to punch it off. I mean, I've never seen a guy get so mad at a guard for not passing one off, which tells you, he had a tough game. The reason I brought it up, Bo, is because it seems like a, it's indicative of, like,

where that unit's heads at right now. Yeah. And I think that they have very high expectations for themselves. You know that Stout is, you know, coaching as he always does. Like every single detail. He's on every single thing. He's probably on their ass about everything they're doing. I think, I mean, I'd be mad too if I got the shit picked out of me like that.

And then Jalen had to scramble around him. So it was like pretty evident. Like Jalen almost got caught up in his feet. But, you know, he lost his helmet. He went in without his helmet on a play earlier. And I was watching that. I was like, buddy, I feel like I've had that dream. before so many times, you know, like,

and then you see him sprinting back to the sideline to grab it off the little heater on the back of the bench, you know, and I'm just like, don't call time out, don't call time out. I thought that was funny. Well, we, it was, honestly, again, I want to give the Eagles credit because, listen, we, we, the Eagles, Eagles don't have to win pretty, right? And do I think they're like the best team in the NFC?

No, I don't. I think the Rams are better. I think the Rams are better. I think the Niners scare me shitless, right? Like if you're the... You know who's a good comparison, though, Chris? A good comparison is who? Seattle.

Seattle. In the NFC. Yeah. Now, I think a lot of people would say, hey, I hope you're not comparing the quarterbacks because Jalen's resume is a lot longer and a lot more, you know... No, I'm saying like more so...

Yeah, a good defense that has a really good front seven, an offense that has been that has a lot of potential but it's inconsistent at times a star wide receiver you know shit like struggling in the O line a little bit stuff like that you're right you're you're dead on right now I just want to I just want to point out like as you get into the playoffs the reason we've been I've been so nitpicky with this group all year long is listen like if you were a team that you you're in the playoffs every couple years you know um you haven't won a super Bowl recently. You're defending champ. So like you're going to be held to a higher standard. Like that's the way things go. And like what you know, it's easy to walk out of a game and say,

hey, they won the game. And we've been doing this all year. But you play with fire. And honestly, as much as I want to give them credit for winning the game because they did. And it's such a stupid conversation. It's just, it's so reductive to say, which team won it? Did a team win it or did did the bills lose it? Did the Eagles win it or did the bills lose it? Like this ain't, you know, that's a stupid, reductive kind of conversation, but it's a little bit of both. And in a situation like that, like I can laud the Eagles on, you know, like doing what had to be done in the moment, right, which is first half, scoring enough, getting out to a lead and knowing that your defense, especially against the personnel that the bills have outside, like you're going to be able to

get pressure on Josh and make it really hard for him to move the ball. But like all that second half conservatism really almost cost them. You're talking about hitting an extra point or if a quarterback that admittedly hits that throw 95 out of 100 times, like hits that throw, you're going home with a loss. And then you're looking at the second half through a totally

different lens. So I'm trying to be as fair and balanced in my, no Fox News, in my analysis as possible. But, you know, I got to be honest, like that almost came back to bite you because the bills were very close. They were at the inch line, you know, on the scramble,

that you know Josh Josh tricks them out of fucking field goal range I mean they you know they're probably going to go on fourth down if he just hits the checkdown on that terrible sack right like the bills kind of let them off the hook but I got to admit that you know Eagles defense can win you some of these games where you know you don't play great offensively and you know I can sit here all I want and nitpick and be like hey well the offense is some they are literally a bipolar offense it's just half to half dude like that's the way they've been all year long but at this point looking at

the field i can't say what they can and can't do with the defense they have it's a top three defense matchup dependent this thing is going to be all matchup dependent okay so i thought jalen carter jaylon carter i mean what a big difference the guy makes there was a point this year where because his production wasn't there you know a lot of people said well what the fuck is he doing well he he's the guy that you circle when you walk into the meeting room make no mistake about it when you get ready to play the eagles you circle jalen carter and with good reason not just the block field goal obviously but when he sacked josh allen i had a time i think the time to sack was like 1.9 seconds it was crazy that guy's head has and it was off a power move too his head has to weigh 45

pounds when he lowers his head and gets it into somebody's face mask bro the the the way that their body mechanics react, it's crazy because Torrance, I think, was the guy that he beat, is not like a slouch. Like, you know, he's a pretty solid individual. Another thing that's crazy about Jalen Carter, and I'm not saying this to, like, I know the Spencer Brown thing, like maybe there was more to it. I don't think he poked him on purpose. Jalen Carter does, sorry, guys, Jalen Carter does everything he does with imperfect technique. he doesn't really use his hands he uses his levers bro you know what i'm saying by that i'm like absolutely yeah like you know he's not gripping people there's not like an accuracy

to where he puts his hands because he's so fucking strong guys like a grizzly bear he can kind of just work the levers and by levers i mean the arms dude and um he's just he's one of one dude he really is a unique player and the way a jo mo and and jordan davis play there that's as good an interior three as there is in the n i'm NFL and teams are teams are what you got as big as a sicko I think Jalen Carter might be like just like if you got him in the wrong mindset going against him bro it would be really really hard to mentally think hey I'm going to poke this guy in the eye with my thumb like like it's really as much as like I want to be oh he's a dirty player it's just like people don't realize like how hard that would be

to aim that up and to be like I'm trying to do this and I'm going to successfully like jam my thumb. And why your thumb? Like why would I? Also crucial time in a game. Let me get like a fucking 15 yarder. You know, I don't think, and he didn't. But like, you know, I just want to say that.

And, you know, Epps made a big play down on the goal line. Zach Bonn made a huge play down on the goal line. Like this was a true team effort. Like, you know, obviously DeGine was down there. He was eating glass yesterday. I mean, he's just, you know, so. So great, great job by the Eagles. And also, like, they took some shots at Quignan Mitchell.

And, like, they took some shots down the field at these guys. So they really didn't have a choice. Like, and this is where I would get talking about the Bills, man. I think, honestly, and I'm not, that was a terrible game for Josh, the quarterback, right? But for the Bills, like, if you're a Bills fan, you walk out of that game and you say, okay, that game doesn't kill us. Like, both of these teams were kind of hoping to get out of there. there's reasons you want to win the game, right?

Like potentially the Eagles now could be playing for a two seed, which is a big deal, right? Like you talk about like not getting the Rams in the first round. Like there's a real reason you play for the two seed. But I do think both those teams were kind of like, let's get out of here. And I also think in retrospect, last night I did the thing where I said,

and I still feel this way if this was like a playoff game, if I was the bills, I would have gone for two to make it 13.8 because I'm talking about the first touchdown because at that point in the game Eagles are one shot to AJ Brown away from making it 16 points right like that's where I would have gone for two

Badgley misses the field goal now you got a decision to make at the end of the game and I think the rule of thumb is at home when you have the momentum and they certainly did and the opposing quarterback hasn't completed a pass in the second half I think in that scenario you kick the ball but I also understand in retrospect after the game that Josh Allen went into

the x-ray room, which means that his ankle was probably banged up, not an excuse, just reality. He's still going to hit that fucking throw. Come on, I can make that throw on one leg. All right? So, you know, like, I also think what factored into my reasoning when I said, hey, I'd rather just kicked it. He was not, they were not, and he was not precise in the red zone. The throw to Shakir on the crosser earlier in the game is a touchdown if he's got it on his front hip. You know, like there were little things like that. There was, hey, as spectacular as that fucking circus scramble is where he's pumped faking three guys out of their shoes and he's trying to get in the end zone, Josh, where he's at his best and he's seeing the field and he's not pressing, because I think

that's what he was doing yesterday. He's flipping the ball to fucking Brandon Cooks. He's at the pylon stand there like this, seven feet away. And there's nobody out leveraged. He's not out leverage he's just standing there at the pylon go back and look at the play you know like josh was not his best yesterday and and you know you could see it on on the third down where he takes that inexplicable sack to jailix hunt just hit the fucking checkdown buddy the problem is he gets in these games and it's like he says i got and i totally get it they're not working with a lot outside and that's not an excuse but you got to manage the fucking game buddy it's a 13 nothing game it's not a fucking 45 44 game he has to know the difference between a game where he has to put his cape on every play

and a game where he has to just hit the check down hit the check down in the big situations right and the fumble you can't have that like what are you doing like what are you doing dog you know so i just in all these situations look back at him and you're like there were easy outs so i think bill's fans know quarterback played as bad as he could have. I would put it up there with the Miami game this year. I don't think it's a Houston kind of thing because I'll give him the pass for being sacked eight times against Houston. They just match up really well. Buffalo's real problem coming out of this game is knowing how bad they are without Dalton, Kincade.

And you can say, hey, that's tough shit. You don't believe me? Bills with Kingade, 9 and 2, 30 points a game, 6.1 yards per play. Bills without Kingade, 2 and 3, 23 points a game, 5.4 yards. cards per play. That's crazy. He's their number one pass catcher. So in a game like that, it hurts you in two ways because you're trying to dominate in the run game, but people are triggering downhill. Those safeties aren't afraid of fucking Dalton Knox. Dawson Knox. Dawson Knox, Dalton Knox, Dalton, King Cade. A bunch of Dawson's and Dalton's, do they get the whitest tight ends on the planet.

So anyways. Let me ask you. Yeah. Was that a fumble or did he grip it? I'm not, listen, I'm glad because, you know, like the birds get the call great. Yeah, but I think it's the right call. That was a fumble. Last night, I was a fumble. I was a little confused about why the guys on the broadcast were like kind of unsure about it because I thought it was like maybe a tuck rule kind of thing. But when you slow it down, yeah.

Just don't put yourself in that position. That's the point, like to me. And you know how I feel about- throw that ball away. You know how I feel about Josh. And you know how I feel about, and boy, am I glad that he's going to play his worst game against my favorite team? Yep.

Right? but it doesn't absolve him for not knowing the situation you got to know the fucking situation brother you got to know the situation it is a 13 nothing ballgame if you just do the things to stay on schedule and i understand they got you strapped outside the fucking front office has brought in keon coleman and palmer who hasn't separated really all year he's supposed to be the big like separation guy and Shavers who's you know

he made a circus catch last night whoa what about Brandon Cooks Brandon Cooks with four catches for but prior to that he's been dropping balls dude they're just not and that's the reason both of these teams I'm not shocked if they go home

the first week in the playoffs and that's not to take a shot at either of them they're just so inconsistent in their own ways you know and when you were making the comparison to Seattle earlier, in a weird way, Buffalo is kind of the same way in their variability, but a different root problem, right? You know, like these two teams are super fucking variable. And that's scary

going to the playoffs. And so coming out of this game, I think both fan bases, I know Eagles won the game, but I don't think anybody feels great after watching that football game. Feel good about the first half, though. I mean, there were some, not to talk out of both sides of my mouth here. Like obviously the offense in the second half like it didn't do anything. You know what I mean? Like we all saw that. But to your point, Chris, you said this earlier. Like they kind of didn't really need to. Like I get the sense that maybe the Eagles, you know, offensive coaching staff understood that it was going to be one of these games like this. Like it was shitting rain. I don't think the broadcast really, you couldn't really get a good tell of it until the

broadcast kind of pulled away to that shot where you're like looking up at the lights, you know. Tom was so happy not to be out there. I know. He was going on about his gloves for like 15 minutes. Like, can you talk about the game? But anyway, I'm just saying like, I think the Eagles did a good, really good job offensively in the first half. That's encouraging.

And then they did enough in the second half, I guess, where they didn't turn the ball over. They didn't make the same kind of mistakes that Josh Allen and the bills did to come away at the win. I guess that's, you know, kind of looking at it through silver linings for Eagles fans. but I think fundamentally there is something so great about, you know, this is the last time they're going to be at that stadium. It's two good organizations and it comes down to one play and it's just, you know, December football and it's raining and it's literally like a two-point play for the game. Like I just think there's something so cool about that man. And as a fan and as a former player, like you got to appreciate that.

It's kind of fun when it turns out like that. It was an incredible game. It was the Hemingway game. We had all types of drunk shit happen in this game. For real, it was. and of course Ernest Hemingway was a raging alcoholic and that's why we um but he was a great but he made it cool he did make it cool it's cool to be an alcoholic and write books it's not cool to be an alcoholic and like you know coach jv football do anything else you know what i'm saying like it's like

man that guy just fucking he's pissed drunk he's just pissing himself he's just a tortured artist he's got his quill he's passed out on his quill yeah dude that's a fucking you know that's cool so anyways i i guess the point is if I'm looking at the Eagles through rose-colored glasses, they got one of the best defenses in the league. Vic Fangio is electric, dude. He is awesome. And the guys that they brought in from a personnel standpoint, you want to talk about hitting a home run. They had a home run on both the cover guys in the draft. They hit a home run on all these Georgia guys. You know, even when Jordan, we thought Jordan Davis was a double. He's closer to a home run. Dude, you know,

it's just like they're a really well-coached defense. They're top. three defense. That's what makes you. And then you think, oh, you keep waiting for big game, Jaylon to show up. And he did in the second quarter. I want to say this about Jalen hurts. It wasn't pretty in the second quarter. Some of those balls were ducks, but they were right where they needed to be. That ball that he fit between fucking AJ, between Benford and somebody else to AJ Brown where he broke the pocket roll right. Some of those play extensions in the second quarter, I thought his second quarter of play was very good. And that's what he had to do, right? Like, you had to do that. If you're the bills, the rose-colored glasses say, hey, we got Josh Allen.

I know there's a lot of people that, you know, like, you know, he misses a throw at the end of the game. You think it was a Super Bowl. Let's get on with the playoffs and figure out who's who. I think if the bills, like the thing you can hang your hat on is McDermott's done a really good job in the second half of ball games making adjustments. I thought, you know, yesterday's game was no different. So you feel like you're doing a good job adjusting. There's some young players learning on the fly. I don't think they can expect to have their interior defensive line play that well against other groups, which is an indictment on how bad the Eagles have become up front.

And so, you know, like best case scenario for the bills, you get Kincaid back, and you look a lot different. But both these teams need things to go right, right? And I'm a little bit nervous about them because these are two of my favorite teams in the league. Right? and I'm just telling you, I don't feel great about either one making a run because of the volatility of these groups. And Josh has got to realize like, dude, know the fucking situation, dude. Read the room.

That's my thing, dude. You know, just read the room, brother. So, anyways, I'm trying to find my laptop charger because my shit. Chris, you mentioned how much better the bill's defense has been in the second half. and that's true across the entire season. Their third and success rate allowed the entire season in the second half. Only the Browns and the Broncos are above them. Those three units allow a success rate of less than 30% in the second half.

Like you guys as three defensive players, how do you explain that? Well, I think there's a lot of coaches that can't adjust. They don't know what's happening in real time. They draw up great game plans, but they don't adjust. They don't know, like, hey, what are we seeing outside? Like, what are the matchups that are being exploited? you know, hey, what are the run fronts that we need to get in, you know, that are a little bit more conducive to us slowing these guys down? I thought in the second half they packed the box and they played man coverage.

And they said, hey, due to the, due to the weather, due to, hey, maybe we want to make the quarterback beat us. Right. Like last year in the Super Bowl, Spags was like, we're going to make Jalen Hurts beat us. And he beat him. But he also had the best offensive line in the fucking league. Right. And right now you're staring on an offensive line that, you know, they can't block anybody up front in the middle, and they don't have their best player in Lane Johnson on the right side. It's just, you know, they're kind of a shell of themselves.

So, and you think about what McDermott's done, as bad as his defense is, and from a personnel standpoint, as incomplete as the group is, like, that Kansas City game playing was really good. Yeah. Like, in some big spots, he's got something up his sleeve. So, you know, these are the reasons if you're the bills, you're excited about the playoffs and maybe some,

say, hey, we can make a run. If you're the Eagles, it's, hey, our defense is fucking insane. And we have a big game quarterback and two number one wide receivers outside and Saquan Barkley. That's got to count for something. They just got to figure out how to fucking use these guys. Right. Because right now a bunch of stop routes, it's fucking lame.

And I will say this, Benford and AJ Brown, if that game was played indoors, would have been a fucking fantastic matchup. Yeah. Wouldn't it have been? Yeah. Awesome. And I was just about to ask you about that. Are we at the point now like that it has to be like a hurricane for them like to stop a game or postpone a game? Like did it look like at any point it was raining too too hard?

No, no, we're not there. I don't think we're there. But there was a point where I was like if that was snow like I'd feel like there would be no visibility. It would be awesome though. I'd be so sick. Awesome for who? I just feel like it was that time when they zoomed out. You're like, oh wait, it's really. There was a snow game like that in Philly. It was Detroit. Like, Selle, Kelsey, Connor, those dudes talk about it all the time. And they show me some photos. It looked awesome. I think they only stopped the games with lightning. Yeah, Shady went off that game.

Yeah, lightning. But seeing those guys, like. Hard to operate. Like, it looked like a fucking, what is it called? Slipping slides. Yeah, it was crazy. Like seeing the beach in the waves of fucking water from the turf. I'm just like, when does it get too crazy?

And that rain looked thick. That's what I'm saying. It's like that. Lake rain, dude. They got that thick rain, that rain that comes up from sideways. Listen, for both these teams, man, it's about the playoffs. So I was riding in today with Nolan. I was like, bro, I can't wait until the fucking playoffs.

I'm so tired of on Mondays being like, what does this mean? What does this mean? What does this mean? We get in the whole ESPN fucking like, you know, reductive A or B answer question. And like eventually we just want to see the. the best teams play each other. And, you know, like, and we can, all this, hey, you know, this, the Eagles might turn it on. They might figure some shit out.

I don't know. We'll see. The Eagles. That's the beauty of the playoffs, man. You talked about the Eagles defense for the last games. They've played 70 or more snaps, notably that Bears game. They played 87. Is there anything to talk about week 18, like play a half for these fellas and get them out?

Or, you know, I know you're playing for the Tuesday. out in front, right? Because the most important thing is who you're matched up against. And, and, and so I think you need to jump out in front. I also think, like, truth be told, I think they think the backup quarterback can pick up where the starting quarterback leaves off. And, you know, like, so if Tanner, if Tanner McKee comes in the game, they feel like they can still route the commanders, right? So I think you want to, I think you want to give Jaylen some rest if you can. So if that's a half, great, because I'm in burn the ships mode, both these teams. And, you know, when it comes to the quarterback run in the playoffs like in the playoffs that that's got to be jalen's got to carry the

ball five 10 times a game and the same thing with josh and and that's the concern was me and chris we'd be playing every snap in this game oh for sure dude for sure dude yeah i don't get me started but so and i love football i'm like i'm like the b yu coach you know i love football you know the after the i'm actually i'm going up to that game chris i'm i'm excited because i was i was thinking about that with New Year's Eve coming up and our little adventure that we had over at Tavern on Broad and man what was that like 2017 New Year's Eve and yeah all those I'll be I'll be at 21 by now at that bar some of them might not be this fucking guy took me to the most ridiculous bar dude ridiculous that game was like dude that game was like 10 degrees I was so mad

um you got to put Vaseline on dude that's when that's a Vaseline game is it not and Oh, yeah. Yeah, you got to really protect your skin barrier against the elements for that game, Chris. That's exactly right. Also, it makes you look shiny and more jacked. It makes you look jacked. But throwing on Vaseline for this week 18 game anyway. I'll be up there.

We'll see what happens, Cowboy. You never know. I'm always down to get to get vast. The last thing I'll say. You just heard what he said about the 70 plays a game for the defense. The Eagles offense can be, and I've said this before, And people are like, I feel like when I say certain things, like people are like, what the fuck are you talking about? Three and out.

The Eagles offense doesn't have to be good. It just has to be consistently, predictably not great. Okay. I know I feel like Trent Dilfer on the set of like NFL lives saying, you know, a lot of teams in the NFL win games by not. What did he say? I can't even think about it. But they fried him for years. What I'm trying to say is, I don't give a fuck if you score 17 points a game.

Just don't be three and out the whole game. Because we, as defensive players, can't take that shit. The sitting down getting one sip of water and grabbing your helmet. Like, you know. Sudden change. Well, the good thing is they're not sudden changing, but you know what I've done. Yeah. Sometime of three and out feels like a sudden change.

It does. Three and out feels like, bro, what? You just. So I don't know what they have to do to figure that out. But like, eventually it's, you're looking at, you're looking at, looking at everybody on the offense it didn't just the fucking can't put everything on kevin petulow again that was a laughably bad game plan the second half it makes you think they're not confident in a few things so anyway Trent dover said you cannot lose games in the NFL and still win and still win them

holy shit you know like the meme where yeah for the brain exploding yeah so if you just if you just kill three cows to feed your guys for Christmas, would you want it back after that game? Like, yo, bro, I got sacked and pinballed around. Oh, who did that? Who did that? Josh Allen got his old lineman quarter cows for, for Christmas, which I think is probably one of the most awesome. That's a good gift. That's a, if you're a meat, we got to talk about these gifts. Unless you're a vegan, unless you're a great gift, this is an absolute great, get a quarter of a cow. That's pretty good.

To the point that this couple, she's telling about it because her husband's on the O line, and she's saying they had to buy a whole extra free... Like a meat locker. A freezer for all the meat. Yeah, dude. Because how much a quarter of cow is.

No, I know. For a guy who loves steaks, that's amazing. Hell no. Hell no. If you just got your O line, a bunch of gifts, even like Aaron Rogers or whatever, like guys who lost, if you're a quarterback, if you get your O line,

these extra if i were josh the only person i could be mad at is myself in that game i'm just going to keep it a bean man because i love the guy but i'm i'm be mad at josh i'm josh i'm looking to the mirror i'm fucking pissed at josh and he is i'm also pissed at brandon bean at some point dude they they got to be able to they've got to be able to get the dudes some toys because you play an eagle's defense man those guys are strapping outside it's like playing the texans the reason they look that way against the texans that's a nightmare matchup bro that's a nightmare matchup for just about anybody in the a fc it's just like but especially a team like the bills all right so we've spent a lot of time on eagles and bills this is a fucking 25 point total game let's get

to the game that that there were like a hundred points in there was a thousand yards of offense um oh man um somebody said just realized this is an eagles glaze podcast i'm not even going to name you this is a jaggs glaze podcast actually we just spent 20 minutes giving you measured eagles takes and actually like criticizing the team and you called it a glaze like i'm i'm very i'm i'm i'm i'm like really interested in what this new phenomenon is that fans have where they they accuse all content creators of glazing it's like some sort of projection on like what they hate they just can't take the team even being talked about or something like that So anyways, we'll talk about Niners and Bears.

That game was incredible. And just trust me when I say. And I know I don't talk about gambling every week here because I don't want to annoy people that don't gamble. I fucking love the 49ers for what they did for my family last night. This was a call the police situation. And I called Kyle Shanahan. And Kyle Shanahan made it all okay, dude.

That was incredible, man. And honestly, guys, the roller coaster, I was sitting there last night, basically like maybe the flu. I don't know. I got the shakes. I'm like, I'm like shaking. And Nolan's like, do you get these shakes a lot? I'm like, I've never seen a make a shake like that.

I was like, I was looking at a read. I was like, should we call an ambulance? Bro, I'm wrapped up in a blanket. And I'm watching that last drive. It's the drive of the year for me. And I have to depend on Upton Stout's backup. And four guys that haven't sniffed the quarterback all week. They score, they leave way too much time.

I was screaming at the TV for Juan Jennings to get down because it's such a certainty that they're going to score a touchdown. Like that's how good they were offensively. That's how good both those groups were offensively last night. That for the Niners, it's kind of like going forward. It's not about if you score is when you score. It is they have a privilege, schematically, you know, and from a standpoint of having Christian McCaffrey and a well-established

program where, like, and Purdy, dude, the way Purdy played last night was after that first pick, especially to just be like shake that off. And he was playing like MVP-level football late in that game, dude. The way he was running around, there's something about- Dude, he looked so good. I don't know why, but Purdy doing the fucking Dougie after a touchdown. I don't know why it pisses me off, but it does, but I like Purdy. I like Purdy, but like, was he always like a celebration guy when he scored touchdowns? Maybe not as much as the Dougie, but he celebrated it. He was layering some throws in there, though, like into the second level, into the zone. He was dropping some balls right in the bucket. Yeah. No, no, no,

it's great. He was, uh, that first one was shaky, but like that was real shaky, dude. To turn that around to start the game like that, that's like, that has to be a quarter, I mean, obviously the worst way, possible way you can start a game, right? Just throwing a pick. Yes. But you could kind of tell both these coaches knew how much they're going to score. Like the Bears threw the ball 42 times. All right.

And they got out to a 7-0 lead. They didn't really even try to establish the run, which I think was maybe a little bit of a mistake early. But you can't really nitpick. They ended up scoring fucking 38 points or something like that. What a game. And for the Niners, it really comes down to two red zone stuff. You know, like, and honestly, when you think about that, if you're a team, if you think you can score 35 points a game, which I think they can.

Like, you know, maybe not this Sunday they're going to play Seattle, but I still think they're going to score. Like, when you think about the viability of this team in the playoffs, I really don't know. I'm kind of stumped. Most years I'd say, can you win a Super Bowl with a defense like this? Yeah, it's the opposite of all the teams we were just talking about. You know what I mean? Like, we were just talking about the Eagles and how their defense can carry them. We've talked a lot about the AFC, you know, the Texans and yada, yada, yada. But it's like for them, they've had so many defensive injuries.

It feels like their own, like their best defense is scoring 42 points, you know. It's kind of interesting. Makes for some good, potentially great matchups. Well, has there ever been a team that won a Super Bowl with a, with a piss poor defense? I don't mean to say piss poor, but like they're not talented. I mean, well, some would say Super Bowl 52 with us, dude. Well, no, we played Tom Brady. We also were a top three defense.

in the NFL you know it's like from a scoring standpoint like we just got we got carved up by by the goat dude but remember the exact years i feel like there if you guys remember too i feel like there were years with the chiefs during their run where the offense was elite and the defense maybe wasn't piss poor but the whole name of the game for them was let's just make stops on some key third downs and they were able to do that this defense right is like and i respect the hell Robert Sala and I think he in a weird way is maximizing what he has but like you're lining up with the game on the line you've got like gross matos you know chase Lucas huff I'm talking to the guys up front like they just don't have the horses man um so anyways I I you know and they and they have

won some games on defense this year but a lot of them were early in the year like the LA win where you get to force a fumble that's a red zone stop right you know the safety that they had at the end of the Arizona game. I think they ended up with a big play at the end of the game on defense. Huff had a big strip sack to win one of those games. Maybe like... Oh, did you mention the Rams game early? Yeah.

With the punt. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, like, to me, you know, if I'm Robert Sala, I can sell these guys on, hey, man, we've done this before. And if our offense is playing this way, all we got to do is make one, two stops in the second half of a football game. You know, and I think it should kind of inform Kyle Shanahan on.

how to how to call offense you know and and that includes like being really aggressive on fourth down i think and just scoring touchdowns because field goals aren't going to do them any good they can't trade field goals for touchdowns um i thought the end of that game was just when you look back at it did you see what they ran on that final play dude it was there drop nine it was there though oh i know is they're talking about the for the bears but i'm talking about the niners the niner's dropped nine people. They rushed two dudes, and they had like three dudes sitting there on the, on the E in 49ers in the end zone. And, you know, I thought Gross Motos actually made, he was the most important player on the whole deal.

Because Huff, Huff kind of makes Caleb bail. But Gross Motos has got to cut him off at the pass, and he's got to do it without overrunning him so hard that Caleb just kind of pirouettes inside. So if you watch him like end zone, he's running like 45%, 65%, then he throttles it down, and then he speeds up. Like that was a very, very underrated job by him and them, just bottling him up. And I know it's there. I mean, the ball skips like six inches short. DJ Moore is standing on the N, the NFC logo.

Did you see this? It's the funniest fucking thing in the world. He's like 50 yards away because he's across the field. He's jumping jacks. He's just like, Caleb, I know you can make this throw, which is a tremendous compliment to the quarterback, right? Like, he really does scare you in these situations because he can make every throw, dude. Like, do you think part of the logic with that with dropping on is like, we can't sack this guy? Like, we just want as many bodies in the end zone as possible.

Absolutely. I think it's just giving him a completely different look. Yeah. And that too. You know what I mean? They didn't really rush well all night. But just like give him something totally unexpected. But the Dea Diori Swift.

Swift was there, Chris, though, and he got in the throwing land. I can't remember who exactly it was. It was the right end or whatever. And then Caleb kind of tucked it and then ran around him. But I think they were trying to scheme up. I think Ben Johnson was trying to scheme up, you know, that flare from Swift. A quick pass. He jumped up.

Caleb tucked it. And then his man defender was able to sift through all the trash and end up covering. I mean, dude, that's. Well, I also think, I also think like you just know. if you know anything about Caleb and any other quarterback, you're like, why the fuck would you bail out the back of the pocket? Like you don't have the arm strength to make that throw running backwards. He's gonna, like, you think about all the big situations he's gonna play in

over the next 10 to 15 years of his career and yes, he's gonna play that long. He's, he's just got, like, there's nobody that has you more puckered up because he can make the throw from anywhere on the field. And, you know, there might be better quarterbacks, but, um, as far as like, his ability to make the throw from anywhere behind the line of scrimmage. The guy's torso torque is crazy. Like the way he can roll left, it's like he's throwing a ninja star, dude. It's crazy.

Seriously, it's nuts, dude. He's got such an arrogant arm. And, you know, you look at that fourth downplay at the end of the Bears game, at the end of the Packers game, you know, a little flick of the wrist. I'm, I'm, it, that's the reason to answer the question that you don't waste the rushers in the A and B gaps, because you know where he's going. He's going to bail backwards. And you can make the play if he starts to scramble up the middle. I thought it was so interesting because Ben Johnson, I thought this was really good after the game, took accountability and said, hey, listen, that's on me. I didn't get us aligned right. Like, I kind of like botched this whole thing because he only got part of the call and had to piecemeal together. I had him the call late. and Shanahan didn't panic. They didn't call a timeout. There's some credence to maybe spike in the ball there.

But I think the biggest mistake they made was this. Maybe it was second down when they did the hook and ladder. And they end up getting tackled in bounds. They're on like the 11 or 12 yard line. At that point, you got no timeouts left, right? To me, a five-yard completion out of bounds buys you two plays. and the risk of doing that hook and ladder deal is like Lenore's all over it. There's three guys there.

They get you down in bounds. Now you got to spike the ball and you get one play. Right. Yeah. And so like for me, I probably would have hit a quick out if it was available, got to the five, six yard line and bet on myself with two shots at the end zone. Because I think you would have had enough time there. I thought that was a little bit of a misstep.

And I think Ben Johnson's done. obviously an amazing job there this year. And they're scary. In a year, they're going to be fucking terrifying. But Shanahan's coach of the year. And you give it to Vrabel. No questions asked. I love Mike Vrable.

But like what he's done with the, if the Niners don't have injuries, they're the Super Bowl favorite. Yeah. They can be the number one seat. Bro, they ran the ball up their ass last night. They ran the ball up their ass last night. Without Kittle or Trent, they just continue.

They got a guy named Tongus, who my son thinks his name is Thongs. I walked in after dinner last night and Waylon was like, hey man, Kittle's not playing. I was like, oh, yeah, he's like, yeah, but I put in this guy Thongs. And my wife's, I were laughing. Look at that. First, second touchdown. He goes, what, what, his name's not thongs?

I go, no, you're right. But it's thongus. Thongus. I didn't want to But him, Farrell Feral blocked his ass off in the run game. I just think like, I just think considering what they've done

with the injuries they've lost, you got two Hall of Fame level talents sitting up in the fucking booth you know, with Fred Warner and Nick Bosa, you're missing those guys. You're missing,

you had Mack Jones playing quarterback for a number of weeks. Watching the show last thing, I guess I didn't realize Ushack went to Harvard. Yeah. nerd ass backfield Yeah

Oh, I know Nerd ass backfee Also, I was saying I was saying this last night With Trent out They're the whitest offense In like the history of the NFL Dude

They really are Think about that That backfield is now thinking about Purdy, Euchar and then McCaffrey And they got pierce all outside As bad as he You know, chapstick, chapstick Waiting for my chapsic

Yeah, plastic Plastic No, but he's still still a white boy. Exciting whites. They are the real exciting whites that team. But no, I think Shanahan, bro, I think Shanahan really does. Awards are cool and everything, but like honestly, he, he, um.

What about Liam Cohen? Come on, man. Dude, Liam's on a great job. There's a lot of great candidates this year. But I think Shanahan considering everybody they've lost and the fact they've, they might secure the number one seed. Like, dude, the guy's been, the guy's been nails. I just think there's no offensive play designer that when you watch them, and we were talking about this in the passing game, everything they do, it's like, I know why you did that.

Everything makes sense. Everything's intentional. It's the opposite of watching the Eagles. Right? Yep. I said this like a month ago. I was like, it's like a different sport. When you watch San Francisco or some of these well-coached groups, and so the delta between a good offensive coordinator and a bad offensive coordinator in the NFL is like, whoa, man. And then I just think about this, what the hell is up with Iyuk? Like, Iyuk can be helping this team right now, right? Like, essentially, if he was on the same page, he would be back and playing that. That's some crazy shit, is it not? And so he's another, that's another thing. That's a whole other thing because he would be helping them.

And it's like, bro, like, you're going to the play. Maybe you thought the team was going to be dog shit and you're just like, I want out of here. But, like, when you really think about it, you could be in this rotation, like, very well helping this team. team somebody's going crazy in the fucking chat we'll shoot him up the shot says shannon wishes the league wasn't integrated well it would make a lot better it's making a lot easier to call offense all go specials dude seriously it'd be so easy um you bring up brink i got a lot of respect for the guy dude i really do like he is just he is just a ball coach man i know he used to give him a lot of shit because he called a pass play in the super bowl and i can thank him for when

one of my rings, you're right? They get a little aggressive of Falcons game. But I got to tell you, man, he's as good as it gets. I just, I got a lot of respect for the dude. I really do. He's a hell of incredible. He's all time. Yeah, he really is. I put him in that all time category. I know he hasn't won a damn Super Bowl, but like, if you gave this guy, now Brock Purdy's a really good quarterback, they just haven't been able to cash in. But what he's done at, with the guys he's had at quarterback. You know, Jimmy G to the Super Bowl, the whole thing. Like, come on, man.

Yeah. He was, what, three Super Bowl appearances between head coaching and O.C.? I think so. I think. And his bald counterpart is doing amazing. Saul's the man. Like, even though their defense, it's not, it's not as it was. You look down and be like, damn, they gave up 38 points.

Yeah. But just with all the injuries they're going through, you know, it gets to a point in the league, hey, no matter what, you just have to find a way to win. And it's just the guys that you watch that Sala has out there from a week-to-week basis when it's not Fred Warner and some of these guys, they're all, whether they're making the plays, it's consistent that everyone's... In the right places a lot.

They're in the right places and everyone's playing hard. And that's all you can ask from a coach. Like, is putting guys in the right places so they can make plays? And San Francisco, those guys are all. Always two guys I'd love to play for. And it was funny, Nolan last night, Nolan goes, Nolan goes,

you think you could rush for San Francisco? He's looking at the, he's looking at the, back in rush for San Francisco. I'm like, uh, come on. I was like,

I don't know about that. I don't know what I'd have for darn out right. I was like, I don't know about darn out right. But I'm going to say this about the bears. Caleb Williams is that fucking dude. And it's another reason why it's like, it's silly to,

Listen, two end-of-game situations, he's missed big opportunities this year. That doesn't change the fact that he's absolutely one of the guys, dude. You know, it just, he missed that crosser. Probably would have been a touchdown, right? Like, that's the one that got away this game. The Nixon ball from, you know, two Packers games ago, he was late. You know, he's a little late. Now, it depends on what his progression is there.

But, like, you know, otherwise, he's been fucking. nails at the end of games, dude. I mean, they just, there's probably nobody in today's NFL. I don't want to say these absolute statements, but he's in the, he's on the short list of guys that I don't want if I'm on defense leading that two minute drive because he's impossible to sack. Sacks killed two minute drives. You can't sack him.

He can throw off platform. You know, you got to be careful blitzing the dude. The arm on this motherfucker dude, when he threw the ball to Luther Burton, I mean, He's got people at his feet. It's just like he can't even follow through. When I talk about arm strength, I think sometimes people get confused because somebody would be like,

oh, that guy has a strong arm. What are you talking about? I'm like, yeah, but he can't get off this spot. You know, certainly he's a jugs machine, you know, but this guy is a guy that his jugs machine moves 15 miles an hour. It's on wheels. His platform doesn't matter.

His platform does not matter. It's the same thing. Luther Burton, St. Louis's own. Shout out to Luther Burton is a stud. That guy, that third and ten on that last drive, imagine having him in man coverage. I mean, he just, after the catch and then Loveland, they're really assembling a scary group.

Next year, he's already probably the guy in the NFC North. I'm not to speak in that. I mean, Gibbs? If you just sign, no, I'm talking about quarterback. I'm talking about quarterback.

And you know I love Gordon Love. I think Jordan loves great. I think Jared Goss is stud. But you get me, line him up. Yeah, what about nine? Not nine?

Developing. He's developing. I'm with you. Loading. This guy's a stud. I'm just saying, dude. I'm just saying.

So anyways. And we just shout out CMC real quick. His workload over the bulk of his career is incredible, man. I mean, he had 23 cares. Dude, he looks, I mean, he had a, what, he had that 141-yard rush where he was just, like, weaving in and out, like a little jitterbug. You look great, man.

I mean, just is there any player that's more like singularly valuable to their offense or I guess to their team, you know, in the NFL? I don't, I think the case could be made for him for, you know, an MVP season or at least offensive MVP or something like that like who'd you say he's a stud man cmc yeah CMC he joined ladenie i mean the only players in the NFL history with three seasons of two thousand plus scrimmage yards and 15 plus touchdowns he's he's remarkable because he's had the crazy workload he's also had the big injuries but he's just continued to get up off the mat and you saw him at the end of the game there his backs locking up he's trying to like activate his core

muscles on the sideline. You can see him wincing like he's just he's in burn the ships mode consistently. It's crazy. That's why I call him a coal miner because they they don't care. 399 touches on the season. Leads the league. It's crazy man. Dude's down there with pick axe man all day long. We also have to shout out Joe Tooney. He's won a division title every year he's been in the league 13 nine years. I love that guy. That's that Dude's of, yeah. He's a fucking rabbit. He's a fucking rabbit.

Yeah. Mr. Rubik's Cube. You know, you can do a Rubik's Cube. Supposed of, like, really fast. It's a pretty impressive shit, in my opinion. More impressed than the division thing. Do you know anybody that can do a Rubik's Cube? A few people.

Really? Yeah. For real? Yeah. You do? Yeah, one of my uncles, he's like a magician, and he could do all that. You have an uncle that's a magician? Yeah, he does a lot of shit.

Why do I not know about this? My uncle, John. Shout out to John. Is that your dad's brother? my mom's what kind of magic tricks does he do bring him in for the playoff he has good ones okay somebody's at the door downstairs you hear that yeah fat chance we're letting you the fuck maybe it's a max have a uh facebook marketplace deal or what um mellow with the dots at whatever cmc got done in germany needs to be brought here asap i'm just telling you dude i went to

germany it doesn't it didn't work like that for me i'm just it's it's not that simple you got to you got to have he's like a he's like a he's like a he's like a he's like a he's like a biomechanical he's one of the most fun running backs to watch like he really is like a perfect biomechanical athlete like his stride everything like his cuts like everything's just so perfect have you ever heard him talk about how he was trained by his dad by like like since you know he was two or three yeah to do everything you know like every motion you know like every motion and every movement is to get, you know, the extra three yards, four yards. He said his dad was cutting off pieces of his jersey and his shoes to get every little

piece of speed because that's what Ed McCaffrey did in the NFL. He said he would wear kicker pads as a wide receiver. And so he said Christian McCaffrey and all his brothers in Little League and youth football, they'd have like the tightest jerseys every movie. He said he would like have fourth period would be nap time of high school. Yeah. he could get a nap in before the high school game and shit like that just all optimizing a football player all the way i promise you it wasn't like that for me my dad just was like run him till he cries

it wasn't like that like like scientific you know what i'm saying he was more just straight trying to build character do you think that um christian mcalfrey man if my dad had me out out doing this shit i would have been so fucking man if i'd have got my you know do you think Christian McCaffrey's, do you think his performance this season is just him trying to prove maybe the fantasy doubters wrong? Maybe some teams, some guys drafted him in fantasy and they weren't that happy. I wasn't that happy. I got auto-drafted the guy and I was like, fuck, he's going to be hurting like three games, dude. It's just he just keeps, of all the people that got hurt on this team, right? It's not him. Right. So shout out to the Niners, man. Thank you for, thank you for my kids are

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Oh, shit. That's a good call. Um, let's save it for the end because we didn't, you know, we, we jumped in too fast. We'll just, we'll just throw it all at the end. Seahawks Panthers. Seahawks Panthers. Hell yeah, dude. That was, um, that was a fucking, that was an ugly game, dude.

Was it not? It was ugly. I was down in Martinsville, Virginia, watching this game at a bar. It's on the border of Virginia and North Carolina. So there's some Panthers fans? What? So, how do they feel? Do they like Bryce?

Bro, it was one of those things, the emotions in that room. because I've never been around, like, majority, like, Panthers fans. And it's real, bro. They were excited just talking about, like, the fact that they were losing, they didn't care because the bucks were losing. So they're watching it at the same time, and everyone's like, it's all right, it's all right. They're losing to Miami, so we're okay. But they was, they was talking shit.

Bro, it's such a fun team to root for, like, because I was a Panthers fan growing up, man. Like when they're good, bro, it's a fun team to root for, man. They got some of the best colors in the NFL. Like, it's like, it's just a fucking, dude, the market's not too big. It's kind of a chill place to play, too. Who's a famous Obada? Obata. Number 94.

I see, I was seeing like, I was seeing jerseys from like, like, like, long time ago, like Stuart jerseys. Like this is like the fans that were in there. Like a Mike Rucker jersey. Like I was like, I don't know half of these. half of these players you have to be like a real fan to be yeah having this type of jersey yeah in there dude i i fucking remember man we remember fred lane god rest his soul fred lane there was uh there was like uh golly sam mills i'm not dude sam mills they had a statue outside the the

stadium um i remember i just tell the the story again because i was a panthers fan growing up but like My dad took me down to Carolina because it was driving distance from where, from Virginia to see, he was like interviewing some players. And I didn't always get to go on the trips or whatever. I got to go on this trip and I met Kevin Green, bro. And Kevin Green, man, they got a lot of dudes that are dearly departed, man. Sam Mills, Kevin Green, Fred Lane, like, damn, dude, a lot of my heroes growing up. And whatchic call played there, Pet?

Pep, obviously, dude. That was why when I got in the NFL, like, Pep being so cool to me. and you played with Pep, so you know how cool he is. Unbelievable. But one of the nicest dudes and like really showed me love. And I was like, man, I'm like, why are you nice to me? Like, you got no fucking reason. I'm like, you don't even understand, dude.

I grew up. You were like my favorite player, dude. I used to say that to him all the time. I'm like, bro, I'm like, you're one of the only people that can say that they're playing in the NFL and you played in a goddamn final four, bro. Yeah. Like, what the hell? Dude's unbelievable.

Dude's unbelievable. All right. So let's talk about this game. my thought coming out of it is man you can really see how far the panthers have to go from personnel standpoint offensively like they just you look at bryce bryce's uh little chart ice young's hit chart it's a bunch of green dots of the line of scrimmage like they couldn't they couldn't set him back there and try to get people open like they weren't being ambitious it was like honestly playing out perfectly for them when it's three to three in the second half like to

to be honest the thing i came away from this game is the panthers defense is a lot of fun and if they slide in the in the in the playoffs like the way they they disguise some of the things they do and as much zone as they play and you know they will blitz a little bit more they blitz the fuck out of sam yesterday relatively speaking i think averro man i know he's already had some head coaching interviews, but you talk about some of the guys that, you know, we're talking about Jeff Halfley and we're talking about mentor and we're talking about guys like that. Like, this dude, this dude is doing a lot with a little. And I like the players. Like, I'm a big Derek Brown fan. I think Derek Brown's underrated as fuck. Scorton, I've been, I told you about this

scorting guy all the way back in August. He had a great play yesterday. Although I thought maybe the ball was coming forward. Um, they just, and the big physical corners that they have, dude, they played their asses off and my takeaway coming out of this game was Seattle scares me you know I know I had them to to win the West and you know like I've been banging the drum for these guys but I would not be shocked if they went home early you know um because of the quarterback and and I think Sam again he's not the guy that that people made him out to be in New York with the Jets he's not that bad he's a good player there's only so many damn starting quarterbacks on the face of the planet he's one of them but he does make me nervous he does make me nervous and the way they called the

game at times uh in this ballgame made me think he makes them nervous um the way they called like in some spots the last couple games makes me think he's making them nervous like December is where it's time to beat the allegations bro and i'm not sure he he he's beating him thus far it's funny seeing that stat where they're like hey the only two the only two the only five quarterbacks in history to win 13 games consecutively. Who is it? Far, Rogers, Brady, and Manning and Sam Darnold. Okay, which is another reason.

Don't hit me with these fucking stupid stats where you manipulate reality to put your favorite quarterback with whoever. Stop that goofy shit. But I'll tell you what, as good as this defense is, they can kind of hang in there as long as he doesn't do the thing that he did in the same. second half, which was, I don't know why on second and 10, you're burning that ball towards the corner of the end zone. Like, it's just some of these decisions that he makes that, and he gets more balls tipped than almost anybody in the league. We looked up today's third most tip balls in the league.

The way that they have to work against zone coverage sometimes, when they're not beating you with these long developing routes off play action. If you play man, if you play zone against these guys, you can kind of put him in a pretzel where you got to work under. Ethan. He gets a lot of balls tip. There are a lot of balls, if you'll notice, that end up in harm's way. Luckily, what they did in this game was, and he did make some big throws down the stretch. I don't want to make this. I mean, he won the fucking football game. Okay. And I think he's a good quarterback. Does he make me nervous? Yeah, he makes me a little nervous. Charmone was great. And just being able to run the football in this game was kind of like their life preserver.

And I will say, Cooper Cup, as up and down as he's been catching the football, I mean, he had a drop that almost ended up in a pick yesterday. That's not really what you're used to, like Mr. Reliable. He blocked his ass off. Those guys are blocking their asses off. Barner needs to be one of their big targets down the stretch. No, you know, not literally, but, you know, figuratively, he's got to be a big target for them.

They have to find him. You think about like a quarterback's best friend in the middle of the field, guy like Sam, put it up where this big motherfucker can get it. because he's got to be what like 6-6 it's a big dude he's huge i mean um but charbonnet was great cup those guys they did enough to block their and demarcus lawrence who going to the pro bowl again um great punch out great punch out man like the timing on that thing right after you make a terrible mistake to know it's time to make a play he's kind of got that clutch gene you know um to punch that ball out that was huge and and carolina makes it hard on you because again like

you're playing zone they're making you they're making you dink and dunk they're disguising things and they have big big physical corners that can come downhill and tackle on the screens and that sort of stuff that you know the the fuck i don't know what else to call let me just pop it out to our best athlete there was there was a play early in this game where jsen got bent backwards do you remember this play oh yeah it is a miracle that he didn't pop his hip. Like literally like hip dislocation, dude. That guy's an incredible athlete.

Yoga. He probably does yoga. He probably does yoga. Yeah, for sure. But Seattle, Seattle, they win Sunday, and that's why we talked about the Niners right before, and now we got Seattle. If they win Sunday, that's a really hard place to play.

I know everybody knows that, but I spent a long time playing there. That is as big a home field advantage in the playoffs as any place. Beesma. Beastquake, Richter scale. Brain. Yeah. Possibly rain.

And that's the one thing. It's like you get this Seattle weather outside. Like your quarterback is susceptible to making some mistakes. Like that's the one design flaw that I know like, you know, you try to be as, you can't be that picky. You found yourself a starting quarterback, you know, and you slid him right in and you won 13 games. But ideally it'd be a guy that takes care of the football a little bit better. you know you play in those conditions in january in seattle like that is going to be interesting kind of almost works against them a little bit um but you know i can't i can't take anything

away from they they beat a good solid team in carolina that that beat l a at home and then and then just like travel wise like who would be the furthest who's the the furthest nfc team like what if tampa made it and they had to go to fucking like that's yeah and how different do they look from the team that beat them 38 and 35 like what the fuck no kidding Chris no kidding do you want to talk about that right now you want to tell us what's wrong with the with our bucks yeah why don't we get into it actually before we do it's while we're on the NFC south real quick Chris what do you uh you know we got your young prince's fifth year option coming up here I think I kind of know what you're gonna say yeah you think you re-sign him or take the option what do you think uh I think take the option

because he seems like a really nice guy that wouldn't take it personally okay you know what are the downs of of picking up the option and just i agree yeah you know like i was just kind of curious if you feel like he's earned uh you know a pretty lengthy extension at this point dude if he takes the panthers to the playoffs in a season where they had like a six game win total and you know people were calling him all the times of bad names a year ago and they benched him last year like he i mean show me a lot the problem is it's a short it's a short um body of work. Short. Right. No pun intended.

But like... Definitely short. Like, you know I believe in this guy. I'm just telling you, I'm just being extra safe because I agree. Like in some of these big games, the problem is like Carolina is so ahead of schedule that you look at a game like this and you're like, well, they only scored 10 points.

Bryce couldn't push the ball down the field. Like, he didn't really make any big plays in the passing game. I'm like, all right, well, I also kind of look at what they have. You know? I think they're a receiver away for sure. And not for nothing. This is something they mentioned in the broadcast.

They come out in 13 personnel, and one of their tight ends gets hurt right away. You know, so I think they had a totally different game plan. I just don't think this is a complete team yet. And I think you can pick up his option and improve the roster and try to figure it out from there. I'm confident, though, that if you do, you will in a year from now be like, yep, this is our guy.

I think he's one of the guys. Not one of the guys, but one of the guys. of you guys he's a tier below Caleb Williams but a tier above fucking I don't know J.J. McCarthy does that seem? Who's tier what I put him in? I think I think he's got a chance to be

golly that's an interesting one. You know, Brock Purdy is a pretty good one for me where like listen I think I think Brock's done a lot in this league so I'm not trying to compare Bryce to Brock that he's got to update

his resume but I don't think hey look at Baker Mayfield and Bryce Young play this year I mean Jeff you know I'm a big Baker fan but um what is this this is all this quarterback ranking stuff he's a tear above I think he's a tear above Darnold call me crazy I'm not a tier above I think he's like he's definitely win higher ceiling yeah yeah yeah I maybe maybe I have a blind spot. Anyways, you know. Yeah, let's talk, bucks.

All right. I mean, this is a, dude, Chris, you and I were texting about this before the game. And I was like, I wanted to will it into existence, but like, man, they just don't look good. And they just feel so off, man. And part of the biggest frustration for me about where the bucks are out offensively is you just feel like they have all these weapons back. and you're expecting, you know, fireworks on offense with Mike Evans back from injury, you know, Jalen McMillan's back from injury,

Bucky Irving is back. Now, they still have some key players that are injured, like, you know, Tristan Wirth's and stuff like that, but you just expect a lot more out of the bucks offensively than kind of what you're getting. And I'm trying to figure out what exactly it is because you look at Baker, you know, he had he had 346 yards passing, which on paper is great. But then, you know, two interceptions. and it just feels like they're pressing so hard offensively to make a big play.

And I'm talking a lot about Baker specifically here, where he's rolling out of the pocket, trying to take a deep shot. I think it was to, I think it was to McMillan. I can't remember. It might have been Igbuka, ends up throwing a pick. And that happened twice. You know, two of his interceptions are like deep balls where you feel like he's really pressing and ends up throwing interception.

And that's, you just kind of can't really have that against a Miami Dolphins team that has a good run game and can control. control the clock. So that's a big thing. They didn't really get their run game going. They only had 53 yards on the ground, which it has been better at, you know, previous times during the season. But it's just disappointing. Like they just can't, they just kind of can't click offensively. And I don't know what exactly it is. I can't quite put my finger on it. I think that's why it feels so frustrating. Not to glaze Nate, but I think it might have a lot to do with the guy in Jacksonville.

Yeah. I mean, that's that's that's a big part of the same. Yeah, Grisard has been getting a lot of, you know, he's been getting a lot of, like, people have been kind of saying that. And when you think back to last season, there were periods of time where Mike Evans was out, Chris Godwin was out. They didn't have a book. Obviously, he's a rookie this year. Shit like that. And they, the box offense completely shifted and went to like 12, 13 personnel really ramped up their run game and really made it work. But yeah, I mean, Liam Cohn is a good coach.

And he was great with the Bucks offensively. Nate I got to pause Nate real quick he's in the the chat going not to glaze Nate not glaze me son Nate Nate's been really rallying his little fucking minions in the chat in the chat army hey uh yeah what about the guard play though uh I don't think it's been great I don't it hasn't been great I I didn't honestly like Cody mock's been injured uh Bradisson has been banged up too right but that like that's been a problem i don't think i think it's been a huge problem the run game chris like baker is still pretty decent with his feet yesterday um just kind of escaping the pocket and you know he doesn't look like obviously the same baker mayfield we saw earlier in the season

with all the MVP chance and all that shit like that's very obvious i think the guard play is you know due to injury i think it's mostly showing up in their run game like like i said they didn't rush very well. Yeah. But the defense, dude, has been fucking very disappointing. You got vets like Jamel Dean, guy who I played with when I was in Tampa, like biting on short shit and then getting murdered over the top early in the game. Like, you can't have that.

I think that was, who was that that had that? Theo Weiss, Jr. And, I mean, that was a nice play. And then I just think the linebacker play and coverage has been really bad for the bucks defensively. Doltzich had a really good game. had five receptions like 60 yards at a touchdown and to me that's indicative of like yeah Greg that's just legend yeah that's just bad um coverage out of your you know most of your linebackers

for shit like that they they still have youers look at trussure that's the thing dude yours look man i mean i we all kind of know how we feel about too but like when you're in a in a miami offense uh you just need to protect the ball like their run game is fucking sweet like the way they stretch you laterally makes it so hard to defend like because you can hit that shit front side if you get a nice block on the front side or you can kind of cut it back so as long as you're and we all know how good a chain is as long as you're really protecting the ball not making dumb mistakes like you can make a lot of hay in that offense and that's what I was going to say about Quinn yours like he seemed really comfortable it felt like he wasn't you know reaching he wasn't

I've been doing in the chat too. You finally saw it. The cough counter. But yeah, no, I mean, to your point, Chris, like the Dolphins' offense looks a lot better with Quinn yours as opposed to. Yeah. Because it would be like anybody, bro. I can't believe I had to waste so much time arguing with people about this.

And he probably won't even be the guy. It's Malik Willis's job. Unless mostly, though. wants to go back home to Georgia. But okay, you know, all this to say about the bucks is disappointed. Dude,

this game was so frustrating to watch, man. They still are somehow in control of their own destiny in the playoffs, which just feels like some sort of fucking tragedy at this point. Yeah, dude,

it's like, it's like honestly, like if they get in the playoffs, everybody's going to be like, how the fuck are you here, dude? How the fuck are you? What are you guys doing here?

And then they're going to look over at the Steelers. or whatever and it'll be like the Spider-Man meme. Yep. The AFC North and the Fsd East. Maybe we can put the not want to be in the playoffs. Put the Bengals in the transfer portal to the south.

To the south. I'm telling you, this is an at-law, this is at-large bit. I think when people heard me say it a couple weeks ago, they're like, nah, that's stupid. But really, be honest. Would you rather have one of two Steelers and Ravens

in the playoffs or the Bengals? Like from an entertainment value standpoint. I mean, if we get the Ravens team that we, we got last weekend. I'd watch that. Oh, is just Snoop Plumley is going to play? Snoop Huntley is like the Quinn Ewers of the Ravens. And are they going to be the Packers who?

He's like the Malik Willis of the Ravens. You know what I mean? Yeah, no, I know. I understand. But don't disrespect Malik Willis. And I got a lot of respect for Snoop Huntley, but I think Malik Willis is a dog. I 100% agree. I'm just saying like there are times where the Ravens' offense looks better with Snoop Huntley. Put the Saints in? Let's just put the AFC North and the NFC South team in like the Pop-Tart Bowl.

Who would the NFC's at large be, bid be? It doesn't have to be from... I mean, your first three out are Vikings, Lions, Cowboys, based on current standings. Cowboys can never figure it out. But like, nobody would be happy if the Vikings made into the playoffs because of B-Flo's defense. That's like hearing the rumor, and I don't know how this makes any of it. any sense but like Flores to Dallas like people in the NFC East are like fuck you know like

oh yeah oh probably problematic majorly problematic anyways that's two coughs so you know that's 17 um last night if you'd have one in my room bro i i'm so like last night you ever get sick and feel sorry for yourself sometimes literally every time yeah you got that to be called that the man flu on tic-tok the what flu? The man flu? The man flu. Or like as a man you get sick

and just complain about it non-stop that's allegedly what I think it is. I didn't complain to I just I didn't have anybody to complain to man I was coughing so much my wife left the room and went to sleep upstairs. You ever look at what you call it? You was like good luck. Do you have allergies? Do you have

Oh I got allergies? Is it from that? No, this is like my whole, like, all my kids were sick and. Oh, okay. Yeah, apparently something's, some, something's been going on. I got my damn flu shot this year, too. So if this is the flu, I'm kind of pissed. Yeah.

You had one coughing fit, though, so bad. I thought you were going to die then, too. No, it got worse at night. There were two times. I got, it got worse at night. Sounds like you need like a big ass fucking joke of hot tea. Yeah. I've been in.

You need some Mountain Dew Code right, Chris. Trust me. It's got to do it for, yeah. Do we get to talk about the Steelers? now. Oh, yeah. Okay. Time to talk about you guys brought up the, I'll go backwards to to this, to Saturday. I guess it was, feels like 10 years ago. Sheesh. Okay. Um, I, dude, the damn Packers are so disappointing. If anybody had any doubt why you make a trade for Michael Parsons. look at that tape unbelievable so it's going to come down to the ravens and the Steelers

this coming week um i thought derrick henry ran like a man possessed and the packers sat in fucking two high structures and they're like come on derrick fuck us all up like it was like that was crazy again like huntley i don't know he hit an in breaker the whole game um Um, but alas. And, and honestly, Malik Willis getting hurt, not even getting hit. Like, they put in, what is it? Who's the third string guy? I was in such a, uh, uh, a glass case of emotion at the end of the game.

Is it Clifford? Yeah, Sean Clifford. Sean Clifford. Sean Clifford came out there. It was a Clayton Tune in this one. Tune, tune, tune, former Cardinals legend. Uh-huh. Clayton Tune.

They were like in Clayton Tune enters the ball. game. And, you know, Matt LaFleur, he just, he can't stop talking about what a great personality he has. And then immediately, he throws a pick through Bow Mountain's hands, who that target should be going to presumably wide receiver that you drafted in the first round in Robert Golden, who hasn't really panned out for them. Matthew Golden. Matthew Golden, Robert Golden. I don't even know who Robert Golden is. Who's Robert Golden? Is there Robert Golden out there? Let's find out. Man, Google that shit. But the point is. Robert Golden, American.

Yes, Robert Golden. Former safety. I know Robert Golden. That's where I got Robert Golden's, he's a former Steeler. But I just, the Packers, man, there's such a frustrating team to watch. When you bet on them, you really feel like one of their fans. And I totally, like, I never had empathy for them because they've always been good. They've been the franchise that went from, like, you know, Farr to Rogers and to love.

They're like, life is good. You got a bunch of Super Bowls. Honestly, if you watch that team closely, you understand why their fans might feel miserable watching them. That was just, that was unbelievable. So anyways, we got the Ravens. They get their win. All the Steelers have to do is win a damn game against the Browns. And they can't do it.

And I got to say, man, I know. that Rogers isn't working with much outside with DKMet Calf down. But my God, like, dude, you got to find a way to win. You got to find a way to win. And Arthur Smith,

I don't know if Arthur Smith's the guy dialing up the shot to Scotty Miller on fourth and one. That's an ego throw, bro. If that's Rogers saying, going to line and be like, no, I want to throw, I want to throw... I was just his best friend.

Gainwell was just his best friend. I know, and all of a sudden you just phase him out. He's wide open. I know. Like, oh. They ran man coverage down there, one, two, three times. They throw it to NVS every fucking time.

The tallest guy on the field. And I don't know. Who's, who's, like, literally, there are so many different better options, dude. It was just the Steelers are unsurious, bro. And did you talk about the fact that people are saying that their whole offense was revolved around not letting Miles Garrett get that. I do think there's something to that. I think that is one of the reasons why they probably lost.

I think there's a thin line between saying, we're not going to let this guy wreck the game, and we're not going to take, he's not even going to touch me. Like, I'm just going to dump the ball or, you know, like they had to find ways. It's my only point is like, you know, you start the game out.

It's a lot of running into like single high looks because you can't beat man coverage. So I get it. Like you're not in a great spot. There weren't a bunch of plays to be made out there. But I didn't see any creativity until late in the game. It wasn't until that last drive of the game that you saw some of the quick game

kind of designed quick game, whether it be an RPO or something like that that you could just get the ball out of his hands. They don't have the man beaters. Cleveland's got a pretty damn good defense, man. And, you know, I've never seen a guy that liked the back shoulder fade more than Aaron Rogers in every situation.

It was frustrating to watch. And the slide, man, like, again, this is what came up before the Scotty Miller shot. He's short of the sticks. And, you know, I just think you're being a little greedy, taking a sack at the beginning of the fourth quarter. It's 10 to 6 in that spot. Again, it's a team. It's one of my pet peeves. Teams that don't understand the game that they're in.

I talked about it with Josh, specifically with the bills. but with the Steelers in this game, I just did not feel like they understood the kind of game they were in, which is wild to me, considering it's that way every fucking time, dude, and it's 13 to 6. It felt like self-sabotage at times watching them play.

Chris, I got some chip stats for you from Miles Garrett because I was like, you know, Aaron Rogers spent all that time under Brett Farv, who famously gave up, you know, that sack to Michael Strayhan. maybe that was at the top of his mind but Garrett generated six pressures on 39 past rushes. Five his pressures

coming in the second half. Obviously he did not record a sack, so he's won away from the record. They chip blocked him or double team him 16 times, which is 41 8th highest rate for an edge in a game this season and third

highest for Garrett game this year. So, you know, it wasn't the highest, it wasn't the most amount of times he's ever been shipped but like you got to think they're they're in there like you know their pass rush meetings and stuff like that and that has got to be the number one thing on their mind i'm just curious to hear i'd be curious to you know see if aaron rogers actually like i don't know how much how much of a hand he had in that personally well i think he the time to throw is probably quick he wants to get the ball out he don't want to sit back there it's been quick all year too

it's been quick all year i said this last night i'll say it again and i don't like generally i don't mean this to sound disrespectful but like take it as you as you must if the Steelers win the Super ball I will walk across the country like that's how like that's how sure I am for us gum that shit in a year where like every team in the I would love to honestly go Steelers here we go Steelers here we go you guys I'll see you in two years but like um I'm living out in like Colorado in a van I stopped there for like a decade. Isn't there someone who just did that at the open news?

There's some people doing some crazy shit. I feel like people do it. There's a guy that's been there's a guy that's been traveling around the world for like two decades, bro. Oh, maybe that's what a great life he has. That guy hates his family, right?

No, he never had one. Yeah. Carl Bushby. And he's walking, right? Yeah, he's been walking since 1998. He's the real forest gum yeah how does he bankroll well you don't you just walking it doesn't cost you anything to walk you just you're like you're like um you're like um what about room and board yeah well

you figure it out i always try to think about the kind of a kingpin situation but it's like when you do this you end up in some kingpin situation so like when you do this and you get famous and people find out about it it's just like okay i've been walking since when like is he not paying taxes. Is he not paying? You don't have to pay taxes. Like, yes,

you do. No, you don't. You're not, you're just, I'm just passing through. You're just walking free, man.

You got to have a place in residence. Sleep in a different bed every night. So I don't know, man. I would definitely, the point I'm making is, it's remarkable to me in a year where I kind of feel like

anybody can win the Super Bowl in the whole, in the whole playoff. And we can do this as a, a fun exercise at the end of this thing, or maybe we'll save it until the seeds are really. But this team can't. They can't.

Steelers. They can't. They can't. At least the Ravens have Derek Henry. You know what I'm saying? If John Harbaugh will get it through his thick skull, just give him the ball, he can win a lot of games that way.

You know, and honestly, watching Snoop Huntley run the offense, like right now it looked as good as it looked. You know, because they're, playing with timing and and you know it's again it goes back to the thing where it's like and so there's just no situation in your mind you're like Steelers can pull it out no somebody paint me that picture what about defense and i hope that defense just taking over defense a touchdown you better get six turnovers every game like that any game it's specialty that's got to be it that's the only way with DK off the field Aaron Rogers passer rating drops 30 points from 99.9 to 69.1 he threw

to MVS three times in a row in that situation? Yeah. Yo, I wonder, like, if I'm DK, has he thrown the ball like three times in a row to DK in a series yet this year? Like, that would piss me off. Oh, DK's like, man, what the fuck? But I did hear, and I did hear that they're not going to, like, they're going to avoid it. Yeah, they're not going to avoid, which I think is the right thing to do.

Yeah. That's good on the Steelers, man. They're a proud organization. I just got done dumping all over this particular team, but I will. Denzel Ward after going to him three times in a row he said I don't know who's bright idea it was to try me for the game

on three plays in the road. I think it's Rogers. I think this is one of those games where Rogers made piss poor decisions. Whether he was frustrated or like that ball to Scotty Miller, like sell me on it, bro. Why? It's funny. It's funny because I wonder if they had any type of tiff during the game

and Rogers was just like, I want to throw this game winner on your fucking head or what. Yeah. Like no matter what, I just want to throw this on your head because you think you're... It kind of feels like something like that because it's like it's inexplicable. And nothing, there's no ball I like less than a fade in the end zone with the game on the line, dude. There's no ball I like less.

There's like two people I feel really good about throwing that too. Devante Adams is one of them. Yep. I was just about to say my... Mike Evans. Mike Evans is probably the other one. Yep. I mean, I'm sure there's others, but I guess that's the point.

This was his fastest time to throw on the season across the whole game. Was it like 2-2-2? 2.12 seconds. 2.1-2 seconds. You know how fast that is? It's crazy. So I'm empathetic to his plight, for sure. This whole offense was built around D.K. McK. McHath. And he's not out there.

And so I'm empathetic to Rogers' his plight. But again, like, bro, it's kind of like the Josh Allen thing, dude. You've got to know the situation. What's the darn-all-right news? What do you see? Darnel Washington broke his forearm. But there was, did I see, oh, damn. Oh, that's a retweet to get him to the Pro Bowl or something like that?

Yeah, yeah. So Washington broke his forearm. Brook his forearm. So that hurts them even more. Golly, dude. I'm not walking anywhere. Hopefully they get Calvin. Hopefully at least Calvin Austin will get you, you know.

Somebody in the chat said, hey, Chris, would you, would you, you know would you go to mars if two won a super bowl gladly if i could be so lucky but with the tools on the bench like does he does he have to play like what if oh that's interesting what if he but i did a couple years ago i had on levitard when all those guys you know levitard they're like a miami group and and i think at that point

they still thought i was kind of loony tunes about this thing it was so funny to me because i was like man here's a list of the good team they played here's a list of the bad teams they've played they averaged 19 points a game when they play good teams they average 50 when they play bad teams it's so clear to me but everyone's like I don't know what you mean okay but I got on levitart show and they were like well how certain are you him and Stu got some and I was like I'll get a tattoo of like snowflake the dolphin if Tua wins them a Super Bowl that's how sure I was dude that's how sure I was so I don't know

uh man the steelers are steelers are frustrating you know how you you can tell when i bet a team because i kind of get into like man i know what it's like to be a steelers fan in a money line parlay dude and i'm like all of a sudden i'm like yin's i'm like talking like them i'm like you know all of a sudden i have a pat mcgavey accent yeah you really saying don yeah i'm saying like man first down error rogers threw the ball down nothing he won't He wanted to throw a down the field to Scotty Miller. That's a tough accent to do, honestly. It's a very unique one.

But anyways, that sucks. Did you see this tweet from the Browns? The Ravens said perfect timing. Yeah, don't think we did this for you. Cleveland Browns. Man, they couldn't wait to get that Fanon touchdown on social media. And then they showed the pylon cam. And that ball was.

Fanon quietly having one of the. the best really tight-out years. Dude, he is good. He is good. And I kind of like the 44 thing. Me too, because it's unorthodox. It makes him go into the radar. Yeah.

But it's just like, you always say, like, you make the number. And, like, that'll be cool. Like, he starts bowling out. Then you see a bunch of people be like, you know what? I'll grab 44. Unconventional number at the end of your old line. He's making his own. Dallas Clark.

Killing it. Dallas. part. Yeah. So if the winner of the, we're about to kind of, well, let's finish with the Jags and then we'll talk about playoffs before we get to Bermuda Triangle and all that stuff. Do you start with the Texans? Texans. Oh yeah. Hell yeah. I forgot. Who did Saturday. Dude, the Texans, again, you know, I know I'm biased, but I think they can beat anybody. I really do. And it's just as simple as like their defense is that good and their offense is more consistent than say the Eagles offense, which is a wild fucking thing to say, dude.

You think about where their offensive line was at the beginning of the season. I think Trent Brown was huge for them coming in this year. And I also think just a great job of everybody improving. Like schematically, you can tell that they've kind of gotten a little bit more comfortable. CJ Stroud, obviously being back helps a lot. You know, it kind of makes you wonder if they had Joe Mixing this year, are they like a wagon? I think that's the big if they had Joe Mixing this year I would be I would be worried I think the fact that they don't have him Yeah is a big big different no question and I'm not saying look Woody marks what they've done to like fill that void or try to fill that void

They've done a great job but it just kind of shows like how good and how much of a weapon mixing oh mixing was yeah and he kind of was he was kind of the centerpiece in a lot of ways like running the ball catching the ball the backfield. 13. Lock in for CJ. 1300 all-purpose yards last year with 12 touches. Well, think about it. C.J. Stroud does a pretty good job of firing that fucking pig skin over the middle of the field,

doesn't he? Yeah. Hitting the fucking dig, pulling up the linebackers. Well, linebackers don't pull up so easy when you don't have the guy in the backfield that, you know, demands your respect. And so, like, you think about all the things that come off of that. I still think it's incredible what they've been able to do to piece this thing together. I will say on the.

Texan side of things. It was a perfect game plan from a standpoint of let's take some shots early, right? What's the worst thing that happens off the rip? We go three and out. Let's just take a shot. Let's see what happens. You get the old Mina Kimes special, cover four-beater. Shout to coach Jason Brown.

And you're off with a lead in a game that, like, honestly, you know Justin Herbert's got nothing up front and you're going to fucking abuse this guy. And I thought, and they hit two of those shots, obviously. But I just think going on the road from a standpoint of a game plan and saying, hey, we're going to take a couple shots and try to get a lead. It was the perfect kind of, my brain doesn't work because I'm sick. But it was the perfect kind of thought process for them, dude. It was. And they executed a perfection.

They didn't have to do much for the rest of the game. and on the the charger side of this thing listen I got some bad takes I got some good takes what I said about Justin Herbert two weeks ago or a week ago and that social came out and you know 90% of people were like yep you're exactly right like considering the circumstance there's nobody playing better right now and then you know you get 10% of people that are maybe short kings and they're just mad because Justin Herbert's tall or something and they're trying to they're trying to discount what he's doing

Maybe they don't watch Chargers games, but I'm so glad that the Chargers played in a nationally televised window. So you could see. And if you didn't see, that was like, that was the, what's the word? That was the, it was the perfect example. It was the perfect example of what I was talking about. Huh? Quintessential. It was the quintessential Justin Herbert game, this era of Justin Herbert, which is fucking great football.

But my God, dude, the letdowns, Gadsden, dude. And I know there's people like, you got to take something off that. Fucking guys in NFL tight end, catch the ball. You know why he's ripping that ball? Because Will Anderson's about to cue-tip him in the ear. Seriously, it's a fucking, Will Anderson won so damn fast, and you got that thing up. The other one where he's climbing the pocket, he's got two, three people. This is insane, dude.

The problem with Justin Herbert is that he doesn't play all 10 positions, tall other 10 positions on the field. Yeah. I don't have to go back and forth with you. If you don't think he's, if you don't think he's one of those guys, I'm just watching the game, or that the deck is stacked against them

in the current form of this offense. And like, you're just a hater. Like, and that's bad for you. Like, honestly, hating will age you. It will, like pretty fast. And it's not good for your health. So I would just try to stop or just watch more of the games.

games because this is legitimate and Justin Herbert will not play against the Broncos. That's good for his health. We'll see. It's fucking great for his health, dude. We'll see Trey Lance on Sunday. The Broncos will. And, um, oh my God, Mellow with the dot, I really do like you, buddy. He goes, Herbert gets all the ifs and excuses. L.L. gave the same treatment to Lamar is such a bad take. Brother, you might be a hater. You just might be a born hater like you you might have you might have been born to hate dude and and it is not healthy how can you watch justin herber like in a game like that and not like i'm gonna tell you why because some when he got drafted everybody hates the tall central casting quarterback because of what's been done to quarterbacks

that look different i'm just telling you and and it is unfair as fuck what has happened to quarterbacks that don't look like justin herbert in the nfl over time but that doesn't make hating just and Herbert right you're basically you just hate the hot blonde you just hate that you're like a chick that hates the hot blonde i'm sorry you're brannette brinette there's a lot of hot burnette chicks but like you're you're the blonde walks in the room and you're the chick that hates the hot blonde you know that that's that's you dude and i'm just like you know i feel bad for you in that right you know either that or you just you're not you're not watching the game because that was the quintessential that's a good word yeah it's the quintessential fucking game that i'm talking about

They left 10 points out on the field. I mean, Dicker missed an extra point, a field goal. You got three bad drops, one that goes in for a touchdown. You're playing against the best defense in the league. You've got, what is it, 19 offensive line combinations this year? I'm sorry, bro. You can't gaslight me. You can't gaslight me.

You know, maybe join a support group for people that hate Justin Herbert. Where do you go to the player hit his ball? And he might, bro. And here's the thing. I don't think this team's going to, I don't think this team's good enough to go all the way. So like, you know, in two weeks when they lose, don't be like, dude, read the fine print. The fine print says considering the circumstance, it doesn't say Justin Herbert's going to win a Super Bowl this year. And to think that, you know, you know, Super Bowls and playoff runs is everything when it comes to, you know, considering what the guys got around him is just reduction.

I'm sorry chances are it's not going to be there year but fuck they made it interesting down there they made it interesting so you do you can feel optimistic though for your charters fan right like you can see what harba is trying to build and like all the injuries of the O line and you know the running backs and the injuries in general to their team has derailed that a little bit this season but you got to kind of tip your cap to them for at least Justin Hurst for just being so fucking gutsy and it's like dude the quintessential play i know exactly we're talking about you you get but you get a win on the three tech and the edge player just her rolls out rips a ball that's immediately dropped by his receiver it's like how many times did that happen

dog i'm just talking and and the other thing is like it's the constant and this is what i hate about today's media and social media landscape is that yeah but you don't do this for lamar i have made a living of defending Lamar on this show. I'm the one who after the Buffalo game last year was like, yeah, but he's the best. I love the guy. I love Lamar. Lamar hasn't done dick in the playoffs, dude. You want to be real? I love Lamar. Lamar hasn't done dick in the playoffs. So they're on the same plane, dude. The only difference is MVP, regular season awards. And Lamar has played poorly this year. I'll give him, I'm the one who's giving him the out all year. I think he's hurt. And I hate their offense, but you can't, you can't do this. You know, fans are, it's wild, dude. Like,

you just, it's like you, you just don't like using logic. It's too much emotion. I don't know, man, because I love Lamar. I do. And I don't even know, this again, it's a stupid thing where it's like, you know, but you don't do the same thing for my favorite quarterback. Like, that's just the dumbest line of thinking. Um, I defend, I try to think in nuance on all these quarterbacks. There's a couple I clearly don't like and I think you know who those are. But I've given Lamar, he's like a cat, dude, he's got nine lives. To be honest, if Josh Allen played the way Lamar's played in the playoffs, what would you say about Josh Allen?

That's my version of that. What would you say? Fucking scored like nine points against the Titans. It's backbreaking turnover after backbreaking turnover. But I still love the guy because the playoffs is a crap. shoot. You know how long it took John Elway to wait? Didn't Elway it took him a long time to win

a Super Bowl? Dan Marino never won one fucking some of these quarterbacks it took a decade plus to win so I don't disrespect quarterbacks based on not winning a Super Bowl I kind of take into account how they play in the playoffs

and Justin Herbert doesn't have a resume there yet so that that's where the rubber meets the road in about two weeks here so But anyways, Chargers. I'm just ranting about the way we break down quarterback play. It is so immature the way people kind of, you know. No question.

The Chargers lost here made this a hat and t-shirt game for our guy, Cowboy Reed. Which, thank you. Which Sean Payton said they don't even know where the hat and t-shirts are. They're like, yeah, we don't worry about that. We're on next week. And another thing is, you know, we do it. here's the thing I haven't even covered on this show. The article that came out about Lamar,

which could just be salacious bullshit, right? You got a lot of people saying, and what exactly was uncovered in that, you know, stays up late playing video games, falls asleep in meetings, like yada, yada, yada. You had people saying, like, this is a hit piece.

If it's true, this is not a big deal. I don't think you understand how an NFL building works then. Because if that stuff is true, it's not great. and if it's not true it's really fucked up and I know this writer has a history of hit pieces for players but the point is is like

a lot of people might be anti-Lamar and a lot of people might be what would the opposite of kid-gloving Lamar be I'm the one who actually stands up for the guy on a regular basis on this show I just keep it a bean dude which I know has some people in a pretzel mentally

okay we talk about the Broncos Quickly. So yeah, a little Christmas action. We saw the Chiefs backups, you know, half backups, half starters. Chris Jones was out there, but the rest of the squad, they were a little light because of injuries. I'm happy with the way that the Broncos played. I'm happy with the way that Bow Nicks ripped the ball. He took what the defense gave him. When you play Steve Spagnulo, especially that iteration, you weren't going to be able to push the ball down the field. You weren't going to be able to take shots. He took the underneath throws. He threw to the sticks. you needed to and it was ugly but we got that dub and uh rolling right into week 18 another two years in a row a week 18 game where we get to play a team that is resting their starters where we don't have where where fingers crossed it's going to be smooth sailing so that was that was that was a little close for comfort but you guys are used to flying close to the sun and i like again i i think the one concerning thing is you've seen a couple teams that have made Denver earn it offensively

and I think they're really good but I don't think and I don't want to be unfair there might be another quarterback that I'm being more fair to but I don't think Bo Nicks if you make him convert six third downs on a drive eventually I feel like I can get off the field and so if that's the way people want to play them then it does concern you a little bit it happened in the Raiders game. It happened to, you know, obviously you're going to sit back and make them earn it. I think, I think if you can kind of keep them in front of you, and part of the thing that hurts is you don't really have like a dynamic run game. Yeah. And so you can't play people out of sitting in two high structures. Right. You know, so I kind of wonder how that's going to work in the playoffs.

You know, one interesting matchup is like when they play the Chargers, the Chargers, the Chargers, they kind of dare people to run the ball, right? That's kind of a nice, that's a good way to play the Broncos. You know what I'm saying? So. Bo Icarus Knicks. Is that his name? Icarus, like fly close to the sun.

Okay, got it. Yeah, okay, good, good, that's good. But one thing, a couple, a couple weeks in row, we've had long, long drives early in the game, and we've only come away with field goals that's allowed teams to stay in it. so we're up six nothing and then boom, the other team goes down and gets a touchdown. Having it happens against the Chiefs. We're going to punch those touchdowns in come playoff time, I guarantee.

We're going to knock it right down the field. Corlin Sutton is going to catch the ball in traffic like he always does. And the reps are going to give Troy Franklin the benefit of the doubt on those when he's not down and call it a touchdown. So look out, playboys and girls. Playboys and girls, yeah. So that's the AFC, isn't it? Oh, we got the jack. Sorry, fuck, fuck.

Hey, here's what I'm saying, Nate. I don't care that it was close because they're a good team. Now that you trust the team a little bit, I'm not going to be sitting there like, man, you almost lost the fill of rivers. They weren't great in the red zone. You guys weren't great in the red zone.

I think it's fine. It's more important that you win the game. It's more important that you find a way to win the game, and that's what they did. Having said that, like, what were you, two for five in the red zone? Yeah, we didn't have a good, we didn't have a good day in the red zone. and then Trevor threw a pick.

But the crazier thing about it was just like, I still feel like we were in the right spot. We got cute early, which I think threw off the momentum. That threw our momentum. That was cute. Bro, like, and the worst thing about it was, if you watched the play, it just got muddied up at the start with Intian

trying to get out that, like that the initial pack in the middle of the play. that play was going to be a first down maybe if not like if he could have made a move to get to a touchdown but i'll just keep it conservative it would at least would have been a great play it would have been like a ooh ah if you just kept that but those type of plays where you got to handle the ball there's always a risk in there and to fumble in that spot after driving the ball like we were it's just it throws momentum off and that turnover was big and then Trevor to throw a pick in the end zone, which he hasn't done in so many games for a lot.

No, everybody gets one. Yeah, everyone gets one. And especially when you have a good four to six weeks, this is how it works. Then you get one of those. Everybody's like, all right, fuck, no big deal. You know, I don't think, I no longer think of him like Sam Darnold. Mm-hmm. And I think everyone is one of those things.

The switch has flipped where I feel like the, the, The coach, he trusts Trevor, that he knows that if Trevor does make a mistake, he's going to be able to bounce back. We're going to get it right. We're going to have my guys in the right spot. And even that interception is just like, I feel like that was the hit on that linebacker. Hey, he turns his back one-on-one balls. Like, it's geared toward the offense to win those.

And he made an amazing play. He made an amazing play on interception. And I would say as a Jags fan, the reason why it makes me happy is that, that as well as everything's been going these past six, seven games, it's like you don't want to be riding too high on your own supply. That shit can sound cliche, but it's true. Like going into the playoffs. You need to have a wake up Monday.

Exactly. And you got to see. And it makes the team feel good. Like, hey, we had a little adversity, but, like, we still won this game. Like, we still got to win. It wasn't like we blow, like, we're not blowing teams out. We had to play to the last minute of the game where we, like, were unsure. if we're going to pull this game out

or if this game is going to stay closer than it was. But honestly, not to be a big time hater, I just feel like the cults four weeks ago, they dropped the ball. And like, yes, it wouldn't have been an amazing comeback story with Philip Rivers. But I honestly felt like because when Daniel Jones got hurt, it was against the Jags,

I thought that Riley Linder played well enough. You thought he played well. I remember you saying that. I just thought he played well enough. If he was a guy that been playing good, been doing practice squad stuff the right way, just been waiting his chance to get in. That just sucks to be like,

oh, my shot is here. And then at the end of that game, the way it went, you hear, oh, they're calling the 40-year-old. It's kind of a cool thing to see. The reason it's so people get enamored with it is number one, it's the nostalgia of like, and the, holy shit, you never see this. Somebody like off the couch.

And then what you see in real time is like the very human element, of not being able to throw the fucking ball very far. And also, he has an NFL, is a fringe Hall of Fame guy who, four years ago, he was starting an NFL game, and their throws, they just aren't on the menu for them. And, like, honestly, it's funny when you see them play schematically,

he has them in the right place, going to the right place with the football. Can't give you. If he had, bro, if you gave him somebody else's, arm yeah like it's just it's the perfect example of the elevators you know the mental elevator his mental elevator is there is way up here he's in above the penthouse because he's coaching at this point you know he's quarterback then he's a coach he understands like i heard a story about somebody on raw room i think it was mccluster was talking about where shout to rar room where and bates i see him on tv all the fucking time but you know mccluster gets uh san diego and uh they're lining up

And he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know it says block him. Don't block him. Like, just run over here. It was kind of like the Rogers telling Gainwell to, hey, do this. Just it's not a, when you're that type of quarterback, and honestly, I think it is like the quarterbacks of yesteryear for the most part because the game's changed a lot. And I'm not saying the new quarterbacks aren't as smart as Philip Rivers.

I'm just saying they had to come up in an era where it wasn't pure progression passing. It was like truly reading defenses. it's like being able to check, check protections, check in and out of stuff. It's a pretty interesting experiment to watch. And, you know, kind of a rock and a hard place, I kind of do wish in retrospect that, I mean, I wish for the young man anyways that he didn't break his orbital. But fucking Anthony Richardson, it would have been fun to see what they had for him in the last four or five games of the year.

And now you have no idea. No, what would have, but like even saying that, I would have like to see, like, I would have like to see how Riley Leonard did. And then I just feel like it's somewhat of a slap in the face, like knowing that you guys can't do anything and there's no playoffs. But like, hey, Riley, we're not going to start you this week. We're going to tell you now before this game that we're going to start you next week when the game really doesn't fucking matter. Like, when, like, when it's fucked up. But Riley Leonard, but, but I will say Riley Leonard and a bunch of guys around the NFL this year, as you know how it is, is, hey, all of a sudden, hey, we got a, it's an audition.

No, absolutely. But it's just like a four. game audition will look way better. It would. Like, you know what I mean? Because like, it's like, now you think about it like, okay, they go to this last game and they play with Houston, right? Is it? Hold on. No, they play, um, or no, they play at Houston. Is it Houston? Yeah. Oh, yeah, hey, hey, here you go, Riley. Exactly. Have fun out there, buddy. To Houston, but like, even if, but like, think about this. They can't put, they can't put Phil Rivers out there, bro. Yeah, that's elder.

You could be liable. Like you could get a guy killed. I know. But they played him already. The NFL is like, hey, he came back for his insurance, but we don't want that to kick in. You can't. Like he's going to die. You guys can't play.

But my thing is now for the Colt, it's like knowing that Daniel Jones isn't starting your season next year. And realistically, Philip Rivers isn't starting your season next year. So if Riley Leonard goes in here and throws five touchdowns this game and wins, like it's still, it's one game. Yeah. It's a one game that you. have to read off this and like I feel like your offseason was already fucked the fact that Daniel Jones got hurt and it's going to be a scramble to figure out what you're going to do but I just feel like if you had four games to watch Riley Leonard and be like you can at least be

like all right we know that he's our definite to maybe he plugs the hole for us while we wait for Daniel Jones or we do something else but I just think now you're back in a crazy position because yeah Riley Leonard did play last week for the Colts though he did play He can't, what you call it? Yeah, he threw that hell, Mary. Okay, culture, we can put that. Here's the thing, and we're looking at these numbers now. Trevor Lawrence blitzed on 43% of his dropbacks the last month,

39 to 60, 588, 5 touchdown zero interceptions. He's got answers to the test now. And honestly, when you look at this group, you know, who are the teams that can get pressure with four in the AFC? I was talking about this. Who are the teams in the AFC didn't get pressure with four. Texans. The Texans. That's the

matchup, dude. I'm telling you, honestly, those two teams I like it. I like it. Hey, um, Marco versus Kemp. Let's talk about the AFC. Fucking,

my dude, my dude, Melo with the Doddy's like, get cussed out for defending my QB. It's a tough time. We love you, dude. The problem is, I just hate. I hate when I'm told that I'm thinking something I'm not. The gotcha, what about this guy? What about this guy? Oh, I also defended Lamar.

What if I also defended Lamar for the last three years? All right. Real fast, we were talking about Dexter McCluster and Philip Rivers. J.J. Watt had this viral, you know, story when Philip came back and said, I'll never forget lining up for a play. And Phil pointing to one of our linebackers and telling him he was line up wrong based off the blitz we were about to run and being 100% correct. That's crazy.

That's crazy. What do you do if you're that linebacker, you're like, oh, what? Oh, shit. Cerebral players. I mean, I've told this story before. You got to just drop. The couple of games, the couple of games I got to play in with Brian Erlacker as noseguard. There was definitely times he was just like.

Get lined up. No, no, he was like, dude, you're supposed to do this, but he was like, do this. And he goes, if they say anything to you, he goes, I got your back. He goes, I promise you. And then he told me before he was like, listen, if I tell you this in the game, he goes, it might not be the pleasure. He's like, you'll probably get yelled at it, but he goes, I guarantee,

he goes, I promise you, I will have your back every single time. And let them know that I told you. And I remember the time he was like, yo, shoot this gap. And he ran through the other A gap so fast and got a TFL. Yeah, he's just, he's using the chess board.

Right? He's like, I was a dummy in that play, but it opened up what he needed. It's pretty crazy to see somebody like that that just knows more ball than you're, you know, he's forgotten more ball than you're,

ever going to learn it's like man it's crazy you think about somebody with that vantage point a hall fame player like that um so okay let's look at the a fc playoff picture um so we can make sense of what we've got going on this weekend obviously we have and the NFL hit it out of the park congratulations guys you get the aFC north title game um which is kind of like watching a basketball game at madison square garden in april college basketball game if you know what i mean um or is it March is that when the NIT is? The Big East? No, the NIT tournament. Yeah.

The NIT tournament. Not in tournament. No. So this is So playoff clinching scenarios. The Broncos clinch the AFC's number one seed with a win versus the Chargers. New England gets it with win versus the dolphins and a Broncos loss. Jacksonville

gets it with a win versus Tennessee and a Broncos loss and a Patriots loss. Jacksonville clenches the A.F.C. South with a versus the Titans. Houston clinches the AFC South with a win versus the Colts and a Jaguars loss. The Patriots clinched the AFC, sorry, Pittsburgh clinches the AFC north with a win versus the Ravens, and Baltimore clenches it with, that's just straight up who wins the division. Riley fucking Linnor for the South. So, so teams that you trust here in the AFC,

again, there's one team that I'm just like, I don't, I don't believe it. It's the Steelers, but you know on it if your other teams in the league would you rather the Steelers or the Ravens win this game i would rather the Steelers win it want the Steelers to win we we don't want to see derrick henry right that's fuck that and like what if Lamar gets healthy and like looks like the Lamar from last year right what if he doesn't stay up all night gaming okay okay okay that's that's salacious we don't know if that's true you taking Rogers or see just Jay Stroud right now. Considering the situation?

With the defense for the Texas? I'm taking CJ Stroud. Dude, I think honestly, I know you're going to say I'm like, you know, just me being all my bullshit, but like there might be no team, team I trust more than the Texans. Texans. Team. I agree. Because you think about the type of game that they make you play.

Yeah. Like, it is so uncomfortable for people. Like, you know, I love Josh. I don't want to see the bills in the fucking Texans play. I think the Texas probably win. that game. I do. They did it earlier this year. They did it two years ago. I don't think the Chargers, the Chargers proved they damn near could beat them,

which is a wild thing. I don't know of any team. I don't think the Patriots want to see the Texans. No disrespect. I don't think the Broncos want to play him. 14 fucking 9 or whatever that was with Davis Mills playing quarterback. Half the game, Jalen Petrie might have been damn right when he said after the game against the Chargers God is the greatest. The Texans defense might be second. That's hilarious. Might be. Might be. So that could be your AFC championship matchup. It could be an AFC South championship matchup. You know, I don't know how it's going to fall from a stamp. So if the playoffs started today, what are the matchups? So today, Broncos have the buy. The Patriots see the bills.

The Jaguars see the Chargers and the Steelers see the Texans. Can you put it up in like a fucking, don't we have like a if the playoffs starts? Chargers will have to go back to Jacksonville. And we just have to watch that tape. And that was belt to ass. It was belt to fucking ass that game, bro. Okay, so, so I'm looking at it. You don't have like a little like,

I'm trying to find one. Bracket. Somebody give me a bracket. Yeah, we got to get the. Okay, here we go. Here we go. Here we go. Here's a bracket.

Shiny bracket. Put this thing up on the screen. And chances are in the AFC, nothing really changes, yeah? There's just one team that really subs out. Oh, Pittsburgh. That would feel good. Pittsburgh knocking off the Texans. You could start getting your walking shoes ready.

I'm not getting my walking shoes, brother. Maybe by a walking shoes. You have a new Rogers meme. Then boots on. You have a new Rogers meme. Just stay in Africa and Killian and just walk back. I really like. If they found a way to win, Rogers will find this clip

and he would probably buy you walking shoes and like a walking stick. The Super Bowl? If he wins a Super Bowl? I'll be on my way, dude. I really will be on my way. And that's no disrespect, Aaron Rogers. I'm talking about the damn team. Because you know he's going to use it as an out after the season.

He's going to be like, man, I don't have enough around me. Like, come on, we all know. So, like, you know, right now you can big up Scotty Miller and big up Kenny Gainwell and all these castsoffs or whatever you want to say. But like, you can't have it both ways. Okay. So if you look at this right now, Chargers, Jags, you kind of feel like the Jags are favored in that matchup for sure. I think they'd be like field goal plus favorites at home.

I think the Pats would be favorite at home, but I think the Bills win that game. I think the Bills want the Pats, dude. I think the Pats, dude, I'm with you. The Bills, they've beat the Pats. They just beat them most recently. The Pats don't have a super strong schedule. They've got some holes without, you know, Milton Williams.

Like, I honestly think that that's the best possible scenario for the bills. So you get Denver would get the lowest seating, the lowest seated, man, you could get Denver Buffalo. You could get Denver Buffalo. Be a good game. I would love that game. It would be a good game. This one in Mile High.

It kind of would be a good game because y'all can't run the ball like that. Right. So that's the one thing where it's like, and you got Cortland Sutton, you put, you put Benford on Cortland Sutton and you figure it out the rest of the way. But if it went the other way, it would possibly be what Denver would have to play the Texan. Yeah, Denver could have to play the Texans. So Denver's got, and here's the thing, and Logan Ryan brought this up, my old teammate Logan Ryan, who's in the media now, and I saw him talking about this on my timeline today, which is like, listen, everybody wants that buy.

Not saying you don't want that buy, but for teams that aren't used to having it, what I learned when I got to New England, obviously, I didn't even know what the fucking playoffs were. But like, hey, I'm in the playoffs and we got the buy. It was evident to me how important how you spend your buy was. Like, you know, it's like, but it was so, like, regimented and so, so intense. You know, like, which it should be, right? It's not a week off.

It's an opportunity. It's a bowl game. And it's also a trap. It's like a bowl game week. Yeah, but it's like a trap too. Because if you don't do your thing, you're going to get stale. And that's why I always worry about teams one season in the first half of games coming out. You know, you talk about Denver the way they're up and down.

Like they get a week off. They come out of that thing and they're fucking like their tip tone or whatever. All of a sudden you can find yourself down. Jacksonville would face probably. Probably if they beat the Chargers, they would face the Texans in the second round? Yeah. Golly, dude. We might get a Yags.

Oh, man, Yags, bills. And obviously, since the Texans... I'm not exiting the chat. Seriously. The Texans, Chargers, and Bills are right now. They're the three wildcard teams. They're all 11 and 5. We're talking about it.

The season ended today. day. Obviously, they're going to change a little bit in week 18. But the charges do have the tiebreaker over the bills right now based on common opponent win total wins. Okay. So that's why they're sitting in the 7th. And then the NFC, and a little can change here. Yep. NFC, the Seahawks right now have the number one seat. Obviously, the 49ers are still in play. but the matchups would be bears packers eagles rams and panthers niners well so the eagles are going to want to want to win and hope that detroit takes care of business because you would much rather see green bay green bay is truly that they're looking like a seven seed they're playing like every nfc team wants the bucks

to get in i feel like to oh man of this fucking group i'm trying to see this tiny little graphic cowboy But how about the way San Francisco beat up Carolina at Levi's man two ago like and you were like if you had told me hey this is a playoff preview I'd been like crazy yeah so I don't think eagles want want the Rams man no they don't that's why they're yeah but I got to say there's a wild thing I don't think Detroit can beat Chicago as bad as they might want to spoil it like and and six weeks or 14 weeks ago whatever it was. was 14, 15 weeks ago. Detroit blew the doors off Chicago.

The rapid growth cycle of this Bears team, I think they're ready to take care of business and hold onto that two seat. And honestly, this is how wacky things are. I think Green Bay can beat them. Now, they didn't have burden. I talked up burden a lot, and they didn't have them in the second matchup.

But I do think Green Bay as weird as it is, is to say, I think they've got a shot in that game. So it's all matchups, man. And the NFC is suddenly wide open a little bit. Yeah, the scenarios for the NFC, Seattle clinches the NFC West and the one with a win or a tie against the 49ers. The 49ers clinch the NFC West and the one seed with a win versus the Seahawks. That's just straight up.

And then the other straight up is Carolina, Tampa. If Carolina wins or ties the bucks, they're in with the NFC South title. Tampa wins. the NFC South title with a win and they have to have the Falcons lose. Okay, Tales of Weed Smoker in here. Eagles do want the Rams.

Sell me on that. Wrong. Without saying they beat them the last few times. Just sell me on that. Wait, no, you're not on the show. But it's a rhetorical question, dude. Like, if it's, what's the alternative? We're talking about either playing the Packers

or the Rams. you're telling me you'd rather have the Packers than or have the Rams than the Packers? No chance. Is that what you're telling me? Tales of weed smoker? I need what you smoking. I do. And I can't even smoke right now, really, because I got this terrible.

Got emphysema. I did smoke last night, though. Smoke through it. Shocking. Yeah. I can't sleep. You're built different, bro. Grine.

Built different. Coughing all night. All right. So anyways, this is, bro, I cannot fucking wait. I cannot fucking wait. This is going to be incredible. You know what the best thing about seeing those, those playoff what ifs? What do you mean? What is? What is the best thing? Not seeing the Cheves up there. The Cheves, bro. It's just not seeing the Cheves. I think that honestly, it's a good, it's for the NFL. It's a good, well, no, but it's a good case test for them. like everybody talks about how they don't want to see the chiefs in there yeah but like does this playoff kind of suck you know how everybody's like man this is

this is great there's no good teams but then are we going to see some bad ball in the playoffs and like do you meet the heel like who's the heel I don't know but if there's no chiefs who's the jaggs are the heel they might they might have to be they they honestly they might have to be well I got to say they kind of make themselves the heel because Liam Cohen and I I'm all about this whole thing. But isn't it funny though? It is funny to be like stay on that side but then feel disrespected when we do. Yes.

You know what I'm saying? Wait, how have you not bought in? I'm like, well, I tried last week but you told me to stay on this side. You know what I'm saying? Like that's a silly fucking line of thinking where you almost feed off the disrespect. We've all done it before. But it's the perfect thing for a locker room. It's great for a locker room.

It's not. coming from where they came from it's not like that's a winning organization no you're faking it no it's really like this but i'm more talking about the fans yeah the fans are funny because if you were to be like yeah you know what all right i'll accept that you guys are good you've had a really good eight weeks no no no don't do that no you can't do that no you don't like the jags you hate the jags stay on that side very terrible and then the next week it's like well you're not giving us enough respect still you're not giving us enough no it's because of people like richard sherman like he has He's been loud and adamant about Trevor and the Jag.

He might really might not like them. Like me, I just legitimately didn't believe. Yeah. I had to see it to believe it. We're starting to believe, though, Chris. If you're not in a market, like, you might not see the jack plate at all. Like, you might not really have a chance to see. Cough counter is about to break.

19. Was that a serious cough? Oh, holy shit. I was fucking with Tanner. I don't know if you saw Liam Cohen on Sunday hit the refs with a, are you guys fucking drunk? Oh, yeah. And how about this?

I don't, look, wrap this. You know who was drunk? Wrap this around. The Carolina crew. Yeah. Seriously. No. The refs, they were fucked up.

They had me thinking for a minute. And I totally understand. When you're gambling, you start thinking that it's like wrestling. as much as I know it's not scripted why did it seem like in the first half of that game calls were going Carolina's way and then when Tampa started getting their shit pushed in they're like all right we're good

we're going back off we're going to get our championship game man they assaulted JSN on the sideline they threw them into the fucking yeah oh my god there was a face mask and a horse collar the same play they were like yeah I don't know they somehow I don't want to say this and give it any But look, since Puka went at that stream, he said the shit about the refs and the

reps kind of wanted the spotlight too. Like a lot of shit has been happening where it's like, you know, like, I thought you were going a different direction with that. Oh, no, no, no, no. No. He said in the stream, he was just like, yo, you got to think about it. These refs, they want to be famous too. Like they want people to know who they are.

Yeah. So like that's why some calls like they're, they're, they make calls and they're excited and they do it a certain way. And the last few weeks, you watch some of the games. You're just like, what the fuck is this rep? Don't know, man. That's why Sean Hockler's all yoked up. There was a guy last night on the fucking Sunday night game that he's got this perma smile.

So when he makes a call that you don't like, you're like, fuck me. Fuck you. You know what I mean? He's having fun out there. Yeah, he's having a little too much fun. It's kind of like people when they saw Darnold hit that ball on the sideline and both reps were like, you know, like instead of like, hey, completed pass, they were like, You know, but it was still complete.

All right. Here we go. Get lost. The Bermuda Triangle, where football games disappear. Oh, man. I don't know, Jim. This one might disappear. Brought my laptop up today.

Oh, yeah, no problem. Really not too much to talk about. Only through half the games in the Bermuda Triangle. Listen, Christmas Day. football uh take that NBA we just throw some bullshit together last minute and still somebody pull up the ratings uh NBA ratings Christmas day did we win again fucking guaranteed dude even with the bag dude honestly Carl's Barclay was talking shit he's called he called the NFL is greedy as fuck and the NFL is greedy as fuck you know uh I would

watch a Pittsburgh Steelers inner squad scrimmage before I would watch doing everything he does which is saying a lot it's just saying our sports superior because you know like I should want to watch the seven foot six guy what was the ratings Charles said the NFL got greedy and started adding Christmas games we used to have this day to ourselves but Roger Goodell and then pigs at the NFL always want to hug every day of the week now. They are pigs. Give me it all, down to the gristle.

Yeah, they're pig. But yeah, here, here. Oh, you could watch LeBron or Josh Johnson. To the same age. I think I'll watch Josh Johnson. Josh Johnson, career journeyman, got to play on Christmas, and they covered.

Washington commanders covered. That was something else. Washington, this is some wild shit. Washington had eight stand-alone games this year. Eight. Do you want to talk about, like, a monumental fuck-up that really couldn't be avoided? Like, who would have thought that they were going to be as bad as they were going to be this year? That's how good Jaden Daniels?

When my kids are like, Dad, how good was Jaden Daniels his rookie year? I was like, they gave him eight standalone games. A ton. Eight. You had to be there. It was crazy. Now, I don't know how the rest of this experiment works out, but I think you're going to go back to the 1 p.m. next year. Oh and eight in those games. Negative 77 point differential. Golly. That's some wild shit.

Back to the Bermuda triangle for y'all. Back to the triangle. You know, you also had Detroit on Christmas Day. That was a bloodbath. The classic, yeah, throw them in a teaser. What could go wrong? They're not going to lose this game. Brasmer's starting. He's going to throw for 25 yards. They lost to a team with a quarterback that threw for like 25 yards. Detroit is not well, dude. They are not well. We will talk about them more on the preview show later this week. That was a really concerning thing to see,

especially because their season was kind of on the line. What was the other Christmas Day game? Triple header. We had so many good games. Broncos Chiefs. Oh, Broncos Chiefs. Yeah, we already did that one. As for yesterday, you had Patch Jets,

which turned out to be the biggest lock. on the board. They were up like 14-0-0 before you could blink. Didn't see the game. A clinic from Drake May. Was it? Oh, yeah. Just another. 18 for 21 for like 500 or something. Yeah, damn near perfect passer rating is outstanding. You could sell me on him being MVP. Because at this point, Matt Stafford, I'm sorry if it's close, Matt Stafford's throwing the ball to two absolute numerous UNOs. Yeah, compare the arsenals. He's got one of the best offensive coaches in history. He's got a great offensive line. And do I think he's a Hall of Famer?

Fuck yeah, I do. Fuck yeah, I do. But if Drake May and him got the same numbers, same record. Now, the only caveat is their schedule's been easy. I got it. But Drake May, you know, you could make that case. You could definitely make that case. But if you're going to do the Drake May thing,

then you might as well do the Herbert thing because they haven't won. They haven't lost that many games relative to the Pats. So anyways, you had Patch Jets, Saints, Titans. This was a quarterback clinic, Saints and Titans. Dude, one of these days

when Tyler Shuck and Cam Ward are playing each other in the Super Bowl, they're going to be like, remember that sleepy week 17 afternoon when these guys combined for like 15 drop dead gorgeous throws. And Tyler Shuck's thrown for like 900 yards the last three weeks of the season.

This dude's a pro quarterback. New Orleans Saints, found yourselves one and your defense has played well. Yep. It really is. You know, honestly, there is a case to be made that you're the best team in the NFC South. It's the at-large bid that Nolan's, we've been talking about the at-large bid. Nolan's a proponent of putting the Saints in the playoffs.

Put them in. Best team of the South. It's hard to argue with him. And by the way, fucking Cam Ward is incredible. I mean, he's going to be incredible. And if they fumble the bag with this kid, he'll be another NFL player. a long line of guys that wasn't in the right situation, but I have so much confidence in this dude. I really do. I do. His highlight reel from this season will just be outstanding,

and a lot of them will be from this game, made some absolutely inappropriate throws out there. I need to talk to HR about something. No doubt. Unreal. He's got, you want to talk about arm arrogance. Yep. He's got a lot of it. His arm is, his arm is Kanye West. He's got a Kanye West arm, dude. It's unbelievable. The guy's fucking unreal. The fucking throw where he throws it backwards as he's climbing the pocket and barely taps his knee. So it comes back.

It was fourth and two or whatever was. That play, by the way, made Kim Jordan how much money? 800K? Yeah. It was like, yeah. I think so. It's over half a mill. Yeah.

Talk about living right. Yeah. Kim, you living right, bro? That's wild. No, I will say this. I wanted to shout out a guy in this game. I don't even know who it was. I just saw the highlight of it that got shook out of his shoes.

I think it was Pettish, shook him out of his shoes, dropped him, and then he gets up and re-enters the frame like five seconds later and forces a fumble in the end zone. That was an incredible play. I didn't catch the license plate. We'll see if we can find that. On that compact car, but there's a defensive back. So we'll shout him out. And then Bengals Cardinals, what happened, Nolan?

I mean, this was just another offensive clinic from the Bengals. Another example of why it sucks for all of us as football fans. We won't get to see Joe Burrow do what he was put on this earth to do the third consecutive January. 300 yards for him, five receivers with 40 plus yards. Chase Brown, 100 on the ground. Best part about this game, we had a real hallmark moment to end the holiday season. Bengals offensive

lineman Cody Ford 21 yard reception in this game play was not designed for him he was split out wide burrow got all the way through his progression and sent it over to Cody who actually broke some tackles on the way to first down a pretty impressive run from the big fella

Ford called this moment a dream come true afterwards adding today will be with me for a long time if not forever it was also his birthday no way what a week for him he gets a fossil for Christmas from his quarterback, which is the coolest gift there is. It's the coolest gift there is.

I don't care. You know, everybody's, don't give me some shit I can buy. Like, I can't buy a fossil. Like, if you give me a fossil and supposedly take care of said the first pick. Um, but this was, and then you throw me the ball. You give me a fossil and throw me the ball, dude? Awesome. That's my fly on the wall question. How do you think Joe got the fossils? I mean, how do you get a batmobile? He just, he just dug him up somewhere. Honestly, he's Nicholas King. Maybe he did dig him. He has some Nicholas Cage sensibilities. He's got a false guy. Okay, Giants Panthers.

This is about Abdul Carter. That's all this is about. You know, I just, could I plant my flag once more? You know, in a year, I'll be pulling up receipts and old tweets. This guy's a stud. Okay. Since Joe, Shane Bowen, Joe Shane, you wish. Shane Bowen

got fired Abdul Carter has had nine pressures two weeks in a row over the four games since Shane Bowen got fired four games, three and a half sacks two force fumbles

I keep leaving the triangle I'm just gonna I get stats here two force fumbles 10 QB hits 10 fucking QB hits 22 pressures 52 pressures second all time for rookies

and since they started charting that in 2017. Enough for a rookie of the year? No, because I think Shuck's going to win it, which is a wild deal, considering his market and where he kind of came from. It also speaks to there being no rookie superstar. You see him post? He thinks he's going to win it.

Who, who? Oh, not verse. Carter. Yeah, no, he's just being greedy. There's people that ask for pro-bow votes all the time that I'm like, bro, you really doing this? I'm kind of anti on the asking for pro bowl votes. So I don't care who I offend.

But are we surprised he asked for Lawrence Taylor's number, right? Yeah, the guy that asked for LT's number is definitely going to ask for, hey, vote for me for DPOY. You know what I mean? Like he's not shy. Worst you can hear is no. That's kind of like his whole thing. So, but this guy's a stud, dude. Just wait.

Abdul Carter double digits next year. Book it. He's, I'm telling you, turning the pressures into sacks is not an easy thing, but he will because he's plenty of athletic enough to do it. And their coverage is going to get back. better. He's done this behind. Here's the thing. When you play on a defensive line with a lot of great players, they are overfactoring into the game playing in the front. And so sometimes the ball is going to be out a little bit quicker, especially when you have a good defensive line of poor

secondary, which they've had most of the year. Like, I've been on these groups where it's almost worse, you know. And I think if they can get the fire put out behind him and these guys, I mean, fucking um brian burns had 16 this year's uh one and a half yesterday i got him to 16 and a half 16 and a half career high but you know abdul carter you know next year he might not have to ask to get in the pro bowl he might just get in the pro bowl so um yeah good on him pro bo's a joke now pro bowl's been a joke right it's kind of bad it's like a fine line like it's easy for a guy like me to say because i never went and i was like a seven time alternate but but you know i did like Like, the NFL, it's just certain stuff.

It's like, you want to think some stuff is rigged. And then like, when the Pro Bowl comes up, it's just like, bro, no offense. Are y'all really, are you really, really discounting all the votes that are coming in for people? But no offense. No offense to the fans. You should not get to vote on the Pro Bowl. No, I agree. Like, the fans should not have.

And I know some people might say, oh, it's not that much of the Pro Bowl. Coming from someone who cheers for a small market team, I definitely understand that. Cam Little should be in the Pro Bowl. Yeah. If not for just the drill. Go to bat for your kicker, bro. If not just the drills, you want to see stuff like that.

You want to see the longest kicker. Yeah. And all that, but. And I remember thinking I was going. And they were like, you're going to the Pro Bowl. And I was like, well, I'm going to go to the movies while they tally this up. I don't want to be like by, you know, the computer. because back then we didn't have like smartphones like that you had to sit by a computer

and I went to the movie and when I got out of the movie there were a bunch of I'm sorry texts I was like golly bro what do you got to do they told you if you get double digits you go you know but that's not even the case anymore look at a lot of these guys that make it at defensive end they don't even have double digits you know the goalpost moves constantly yeah it's just all fanfare so no more fan voting in the pro bowl man no offense to y'all I know there's some real ball knowers around there, but Chodor Sanders was 10th in the Pro Bowl vote at some point this year. No offense to the young man who I think has a chance to be a developmental kind of quarterback in the NFL.

But that is some wild shit. And it's that's your quintessential. There's that word again. Reason why the Pro Bowl shouldn't be a fan thing. Golly. Oh. God, I want to talk about the Pop-Tart Bowl. Let me get out of the fucking triangle before we do that.

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i would honestly get a couple of days rest first but a man's got to do what a man's got to do keep it up that was an absolute baller night thanks man i think they call that a glazing in the business that was a but you know what everyone's good to get a glazing Oh, it sure is. What did Nate say in the chat? Nah, bro. Glaze me, bro. Yeah, glaze me.

Yeah, for sure. Glaze me. All right, now we're going to get the anti-glaze. Yo, Chris, Casey, calling from Houston. Quick question for you, man. I got a pretty bad trust issues with my team. You've been playing D-line, or you played D-line for quite a while, and, you know, you've been around some pretty good O-lines.

What is it about, you know, the Texans? where we just completely can't build a fucking O-line to save our life. A bit of fan for about 24 years. And I don't think we've ever had a good O-line. We have okay luck at quarterback, pretty good at drafting receivers and defensive ends. But I feel like you might have some analysis there on what constitutes a good culture or if it's scheme, you know, whatever it may be. I just have big trust issues with this team beating up on a Chargers team we should beat.

but that O-Lineman, it just stresses me out. I think, brother, Brother Houston, I think you are, I understand that you're like, you're kind of expecting the worst, but I think things are better than you think. And, you know,

when you talk about drafting O'Li-Men, I think there's two parts there. It's number one having the, finding the right players, but also the right scheme fit. It's a very scheme-dependent kind of deal. Like, are you a zone? running team are you a gap scheme running team um you know do you get your guys out on the perimeter

do you need do you need big powerful guards do you do you want i don't know there's just a lot of different ways that you can draft up front um but i think for instance like adding i keep shouting out trent brown adding a trent brown like sometimes it's just putting a big human being in there that's hard to run around and i think he's helped your group a lot ursary's young man like give him some time. And they said he would die on the field. Like that's enough for me. That buys him a year.

They were down both guys in that game too. And they were down, dude. And that's the thing is like you go, you, you play the Chargers. I think you're, I think you're taking that win a little lightly. I know you kind of were like, yeah, well, we should beat the Chargers. Dude, like, that's not an easy deal. Chargers are very good team. I mean, sometimes when you see the Chargers play, you're kind of like, man, this team has to squeak it out sometimes.

But that's a good defense. You talk about, Tully. Congrats on the Pro Bowl. Speaking of guys to go to the Pro Bowl. Tully with the Pro Bowl. Kille-Mack, who is hell on wheels to deal with. That's a tough group you just played, you know? O.A., the whole group.

So those guys inside, too, are pretty good. That's a good defense, man. Be happy you got that win. I think Houston, we have a... No. Houston, we have an exciting month on our hands coming up, dude. it's Houston we have a chance you know what I'm saying

put it on a t-shirt but as far as drafting a line you guys drafted Dwayne Brown you know what I'm saying like it hadn't yeah it's not been all bad anyways boom those are thank you for calling in as always

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to enjoy up to a $1,500 new player offer on your first wager. BetMGM. Make it legendary. Make it legendary. Let's make it legendary with the best flight. y'all boys start me off with the best flight best flight easy easy flight from indy back to jacksonville i love it got to give it to the jags feeling good going into the postseason feeling good feeling great still still having a shadow of a doubt or a chance a shadow of a chance of winning the whole

a fc if a whole bunch of dominoes fall this weekend so we're sitting we're feeling good both Right. Best flight. I'm going to go. A nice whole Saturday game. You get a win against an AFC opponent that's, you know, they're 11 and 4 at the time. It's not too far from from L.A. back to Hsu. I'm going to go to Texans.

You also terrorize Justin Herbert all day. So if you're a defensive lineman on that flight, you're probably really feeling yourself. Best flight, Texans. Texans. T. Xen. Hmm. Christof. You know, I'm having a hard time deciding.

but I think it might be the Philadelphia Eagles there's nothing like a hot shower and a hot meal after a monsoon game where it's cold as fuck big physical monsoon game those D-Lyman when you play a game like that and you just dominate somebody

and you just you feel like an alpha male you feel like Gingus Khan riding a big horse back to Mongolia is what you feel like and you're sitting up in first class presumably and you got snacks and you're probably getting ready to watch the Sunday night game. And you're like, look at all this fucking scoring. None of that today because we're really good. I want to give it to the Eagles defense.

Nothing like getting dry, getting warm, getting on a flight. That's a short flight too, by the way. And Zach Baum was all over that in the post game. He was like, I'm going to go get this warm shower, get home. Brother, there's nothing like it. He knew it. There's nothing like it. It feels great.

All right. So we are picking and Nolan, your selection? I go with Bo with the Texans. Get that day off. I'll go Jags. I'm going Texans too. That day off sounds nice. That's like a snow day.

Like a day you're not expecting I bought from school. And you get to watch everybody else. Yeah. All your other, you know, compatriots have to, they have to go to school. You're like, ha-ha. Yeah, yeah. Already did my work. Worst flight.

Bo, what you got for a worst flight? Ooh. Oh, okay, worst flight. I'm going to go with the Chicago Bears. You know, you lose a game. It's a good game. Sunday night football. You lose on the last play of the game.

I think I was on the East Coast. It was like 11.30 when that game ended. You know, obviously 10.30 in Chicago. They probably didn't get home until... They just got home. 6 a.m. Yeah, exactly. So that's a long flight, late game on the West Coast.

they they you know you're that's a red that's a red eye baby tough you know tough loss at the last very last minute but even worse those west coast you know sunday night football or monday night football games are fucking terrible terrible travel situation bears worst flight okay um Nate facts gonna go with damn where the worst fight the from Miami to Tampa Bay I know you're gonna say it nah just said no i wasn't even gonna do that that's funny though i thought about giving the best flight to the bucks because you know it's your one flight closer to being put out of your misery for the season it's a really short just got to fly over alligator alley what do you mean man they're uh they're the driver's seat i don't know they're in the driver's seat bro they're in the

driver's seat the way that fucking that gonzaga coach was in the driver's seat driving around The way that the Steelers are in the driver's seat for your inter-USA walking trip. Dare we say pilot seat? Yeah. Yeah. They're in the pilot seat. Yeah, that's good. Worst flight is going to the Giants.

The Giants flying back, just like if you know, this is Chris's favorite flight or worst flight, leaving Vegas, right? Oh, nothing better than leaving that hellhole. Is it better or worse flight? Seriously. There's nothing better than leaving that hellhole. There's, I know there's a lot of people like,

wait, you don't like Vegas? There's no trees. Chris hates Vegas, yo. It's the, yeah, I'm with you.

It's so far. It might as well be China. It's so far away. You go there, you lose your ass, dude. You know, like you just go there to donate money.

You can bet from your damn phone now. Like, that was the only point to ever go in there. What are you going to see a show? Fuck out of here, man. You don't even. till 7 a.m. I'm 40.

One time I was in a fucking nightclub and I saw Ed Too Tall Jones sitting there at the table next to me sitting there all big as shit old as shit to be in the club and I was like man I don't need to be in the club anymore. I'm gonna be end up looking like Ed two tall Jones

dude. But also to swear off clubbing. And the Giants they got the worst flight because they're not getting the first pick anymore that's what I told. Yeah and Jackson Dart may be best flight though because he's like we don't got to pick that fucking voice scout from Indiana dude it'd be fuck up my vibe then the giants are like surprise Diego pop surprise

surprise motherfucker we're gonna have the kid surprise that has more swag than you imagine that imagine that fucking meeting room no Diego Pavia's got that like they have a swaggy swag dude yeah he's got that shit to him man he's like yeah I agree with you Chris and the giant Is that swag? No, it's just untrustworthiness. They've done this before. Last year, literally won on 12, 29, 2024, the Giants had the number one pick all sewn up. They beat the Colts in week 17 and lost it, just like this week.

Chris, your worst flight. Worst flight. You know, some people never think about this, but the hat and t-shirt games, what happens to them when they're on the road and you don't get the hat and t-shirt? worst flight all the afc north championship t-shirts and hats sitting in boxes on the pittsburgh steeles fucking team playing home i was just thinking last night i got to go to killmanjaro in a couple months we can me and reed can pass them out because that's where they go right they go to these foreign countries i'm telling you i'm going to be walking up the mountain and seeing one of the porters wearing a fucking a fc north championship t-shirt with the steelers logo on there that's so great i'll bring them over

there. Dude, just send them to me. Worse flight. Yeah, NFL, hit us up. We'll take them for you. No problem. Everybody that you, all the shirts that you printed are not going to use. That's a write-off for the Waterboys organization, Chris. That's smart. That's right. That's right. How many

minutes of NFL film will we earn if we bring shirts over to... None. None. They're pigs. One second. Charles Barkley's right. They're a bunch of fucking pigs. There was a shot last night. Did you, when Chris McCaffrey broke that run on the left side line, did you notice his bald strength coach, presumably his strength coach, flailing his arms around and running.

Do you remember this guy? Do y'all see him? Well, I wanted to show him, but I was like, would we get in trouble for showing somebody on the sideline of a game on all 22? If I, like, cropped out the game action? No, that's just a picture of, that's a video of Booker trying to decapitate another quarterback. I'm a hit Booker with a bill, dude. But yeah, the NFL's too greedy. We'll never get away with it. We'll never get away with it. All right. Let's vote. we had AFC North championship t-shirts

on the Steelers flight Bears and Giants. Tanner. Steelers T-shirts. Shirts? Yep. It's unanimous. That is a bet flight.

Runaway winner. And I mean, shout out all the staffers that probably have to load those. They loaded them off and they probably have to load them back on.

Did you remember to get the shirts? Don't forget the shirts. Yeah, those fucking shirts. Oh, damn it. Shirts. All right, Bevel Conway, Chris. Ooh, Bevel Conway. Man, that's a, why don't I go last?

Or Nate. It's like at a restaurant. You go, babe. Or Bo? I'm ready. All right. You know what, guys? I kind of mentioned this earlier when we talked about, sorry, when we glazed the Eagles.

But there was something about that game that just looked so good. I texted our group chat. I don't think we ever got to wear the white unies with the, you know, the green helmets and then the black pants. and the bills unis looked nice and tight too but the rain was coming down and then you know the fourth or the the two point conversion to win the game with you know you got one play to do it it's raining it's a miserable December game it's a defensive game that to me was the bevel conway there's something about that that I loved and then there's a shot you know where they're showing the the snow or sorry the rain pouring down right in front of the stadium lights I thought that was really cool I like that

I like that experience okay I'll give you a bubble conway let's go to college college. Penn State Clemson. Classic uniforms, a nice balance of colorways, right? You get the blue and the orange, the navy in the orange, nice balance, playing at the pinstripe bowl where they don't take care of the grass. And it looked like an old school college football game to me. That's the thing of beauty. Look at that right there. Look at that. You get the orange. You get the blue and you get dabbo Sweeney losing a bowl game. Nothing better than that, which is pretty tough to do when the team is built in the name, image, and likeness of God, and you find a way to be an interim head coach to Marcus Hagan's wide receivers coach at Penn State. That was just a thing of beauty.

I like that game for some reason. Those Penn State helmets are sweet. Yeah, that's clean. That is clean. Is that snow on the side of the field? I was about to say it sure is. A little bit of a dusting. Nate? Beville Conway is going to the Pop-Tart Bowl. trombone slide cover which is fire it looked like a trombone slide cover yes it looks like a long ass pop tart that's funny it's the slide cover on the trombone is a pop tart yeah it's a pop tart and just a pop tart and just as a whole the marketing and the visual and the details of the pop tart bowl i think is just a bevy it's the best thing in college sports it's a bevel conway yeah and i laugh just thinking

about it. Whoever came up with this big marketing plan, like I feel like they had to be nervous going in to pitch all this. This is like either the person is like all the way in. It's like, yo, this is awesome or they're like, get the fuck out of here. No, dude. You want to like, you want an edible live mascot? Like, get out of here. Like, no one's going for it. Speaking of edibles, it feels like their focus group was all on edible. Yeah. When they were like, yeah, let's just, let's blow this bowl game out. I think they did such a great job. Let's lean into it. So good. The toaster at the end, pulling the toaster now.

It's the best tradition in. Oh my goodness, bro. And the funny part is they want to be eaten and they want to be toasted. It's their dream. It's hilarious. How quickly did that BYU coach eat that Pop-Tart? Oh, my God. Let me.

He inhaled it. Also, let me remind people out there, you're a borderline psycho if you just eat a Pop-Tart raw without a toaster. Dog, I used to eat only raw. Yeah. Some of you weren't bad. But it's just like they're not not no I'm not saying they're that bad raw but like they're meant to be heated Did you see cinnamon and strawberry gotten the Pop-Tart Hall of Fame? Which begs the question how long does blueberry have to wait?

Great question. Now we're going to be doing. Is Blueberry not first ballot? Like what's going on? Honestly, look how quick he ate that fucking Pop-Tart bro. I like this. You know what he said after the game?

Smoors is the number one. Smoors is. Smores is the go. am i can i admit something blueberry i'm not sure i've ever heated up a pop tortuart oh my yeah me neither oh you're me neither it's it's you're missing out i don't think it's that crazy like i think if you like pop torts now if you heat heat one up you're gonna be like oh then you might burn your mouth at least when it's room temp i can get right down business i think it was like freezing a candy bar you know like you can still enjoy the candy bar it makes a lot better yeah i love cold pizza i think it's almost as good as hot pizza back to the i

So I think for the Hall of Fame for the Pop-Tarts, I think that's the ones that have died. Am I correct? Is that one? I think it's past two that have died. Oh, so it's like in-memorium. Yes. So they don't even get to enjoy their...

No, they're dead. They got eight. That's crazy, dude. That's crazy. You said they got eight. I thought you said something else. That's crazy. All right, Beville Conway.

My vote, I'm going Pop-Tart Bowl. Yeah, I'm going Pop-Tart Bowl. Drum bones slide covers. Topsoid bull is just fucking awesome. It is such a great scene, dude. So unnecessarily great. Oh, Cowboy, I want to send you something that is a late entry for anti-bevel Conway. Mm-hmm.

No, you'd be the first entry. Oh, really? Is this anti-bevel Conway? Anti-Bel Conway. Well, I just want to say this. I'm going to, what I'm sending you is anti-bevel. Okay. But I'm pushing way the fuck back on that.

Eagles, bills match up being beautiful. Right. Dude. Black and green versus red and blue. Like it just didn't, it didn't have the balance, dude. It didn't have the balance. I think it was the rain for me. And the turd.

But I just thought that black was cool. I think it's the, so this is the anti, this is my anti-bevel Conway. This fan is out of control. Zooming in on Tyler Lockett's sunroof dog, but Tyler Lockett can go out there and get buckets. And he is just hanging on for dear life, which I respect the fuck out of that, dude. That is awesome, dude.

I've always had a lot of respect for him. You're just ready for the season to be over. That is really rude. You're just like, I'm not going to call my barber. I'm not going to, like, I'm not going to go buy a $30 shaver where I can just at least get that shit off and balled me up for the game. It's also like, I play for the Raiders right now, dude. Come on. But like, that's what I mean at the very least.

Nobody's washing us. Like, at least I have a fresh baldie. No, that's nuts to me that he's just letting it go like that, dude. But I guess, I mean, you can hatfish people. Like, if you're not on the field. Hatfish people. Right. Did you guys have the FIU shoulder pads?

Did you watch the FIUTSA game, which by the way, McCown's son was playing in the game, quarterback of UTSA? Oh, my God. He's a fucking good player. He got damn near decapitated, but he's tough like his dad, dude. His dad's one of the toughest fucking quarterbacks that we ever faced, dude. As a D-Line, we used to talk about him all the time. Also, coolest dude ever.

He's wrapped up in some. Anyway, his son can play, but he almost got decapitated. Look at the FIU uniforms, though. I know I'm just throwing a lot at you. Look at these eyes on the shoulder pads, dude. Yeah, there you go. Is that idiotic or what? They could have been accented more and really pop

Yeah, that's too bad I kind of like it You like them The owls I'm indifferent I'm the same person I used to like It's not the similar from the The helmet here

What is it the lookout this one? They have those They have those tautoper thing here With the yeah Yeah but that's for a helmet You know if you put eyes on a helmet But have you ever seen like a body part On a shoulder plate

No You see what I'm saying? Yeah Anyways that's not my my submission is lock it Okay, Bo. Oh my God, bro. I regret to inform you guys that I tuned in to the press conference from Lions fan Ryan Kennedy. And that is my anti-bevel Conway.

Just the image of him sitting there on a foldout table, backwards of Lions hat, talking about talking to his bullshit, holding his little press conference, leaning into his 15 minutes of fame because I was able to go. D.K. Metcalfton is slapping him. That was such a bad look at him. my opinion that guy dude it seemed like some sort of Charlie said this and I just can't stop thinking about it like some early internet skit you know it was so dude that was an early internet skit that was what exactly what it looked like and I got a DM look at

this guy backwards lying this fucker that's a wrong typism he got it he got the he got the real not my type no I got my not my not my type yeah that dude man something about him but like his lawyer's a highlight of his life you watch that video this lawyers i feel like they're sitting there like what the fuck this is a dm i got this i'm convinced this dm came from him allegedly okay that joe p is the guy's name your lengthy diatribe on public airwaves earlier today repeatedly accusing ryan kennedy the fan who dk mccav punched of using a racial slur and shouting the n word was highly inappropriate not only did you never include any semblance of allegedly or if he made those statements

during your rant, but none of the fans, including African Americans, seated nearby, which, dude, you're so racist, if that's how you talk, including the African Americans, or a stadium employee expressed any reaction, which one or more of them clearly would have if the severity of your defamatory accusations have been factual. In addition, Mr. Kennedy's attorney with the head Murphy law firm have emphatically stated the allegations are completely false and then added that within the past 24 hours their client has experienced harassment threats messages advocating violent which your abhorrent conduct is undoubtedly exacerbated holy shit did you have a thesaurus to write this your slanderous unlawful statements merit an immediate public apology

and more consideration for civil charges to be filed against you by his law firm that's the dm i got after we talked about it last week that's so great you know what i said dude just reply to say touch grass. No, you know what I said? I said, fucking sue me. It'll be good for the pod. Good luck. Hit him with too long, not reading that. No, I hit him with the pleas. By all means. That's probably him. I love the gotcha moment that they went back and they seen that like that maybe he did.

He was saying derogatory stuff. Yeah. But when D.K. played for Seattle and they were at a different stadium and they already, the NFL has record of the same guy and D.K. trying to get this guy kicked out of a game because he was saying crazy stuff. So it was just like whether you were saying it that time or before, get the fuck out of here. Oh. There's a pattern of behavior.

So, yeah, the press conference so funny because he was like, he was like, I didn't say anything. And I got to take my glasses off of this. He was like, I didn't see anything. He was like, come to think of it. He had to think about it. He was like, I don't think I've ever said the N word at a lion's game. I was like, you had to think about that? What about a Seahaw?

I was like, he was like, come to think of it, I don't do that at NFL stadium. I usually wait until I get home. That was a skit, dude. That was like a skit. So yeah, if that's the dude DM and me, brother, sue me. Sue the fuck out of me, buddy. Chris, someone in the chat goes, the guy with all the shit on his wall with green glass and hoodie, don't give a fuck, homie, L.O.

Yeah, I don't care, dude. I don't care, bro. Dude, I was face-to-face with death last night when Caleb Williams had the ball with 2.15 to go. I'm not afraid of shit, dude. I'm not afraid of some lawsuit from that guy. Face-to-face-face-that's when you're shivering and coughing your lungs up. Yeah, I was shivering and coughing. I'm about to be doing it again.

All right, so what's next? Nate, anti-bevel. I'm just going to give it to, I'm just going to give it to, but I'm about out of this one. Oh, yeah. Because I had like a. similar one vote for bow Nate uh nolan i'm going with bow as well there's been a rough year for the PR image of lines fans

like they just they just sucked this started in e-course the fans yeah like sound off in the comments about not getting talked about it's like come on rough year for what kind of fan the PR image of lions fans oh yeah they had a rough year dude i really liked them before and seriously weird i'm gonna tell you what you know when it started when it started when it's start St. Brown doing that damn. Well, that's, yeah, that whole.

Doing that dance. It changed the trajectory around there. And then I love, I love David Montgomery and on St. Brown's podcast. Oh, yeah, I know. Being like, being like, yeah, your brother one time, he raised his voice at me in front of company. I was going to whip his ass. I was going to whip his ass, but it was his house.

And the way that you're saying that to the first. person that you say that he's on the boom he's right there he's right there and you just like stone cold face like and then amad like he goes let it let's just move on and he goes let's just move on yeah that was fucking hilarious i'm gonna tell you what though no i'm honest shit you got to understand i know that you've been like you've been going through it for like your whole lifetime as a detroit lions fan but you know like you got to like you've been there before because you have now you have now you you got a great head coach it was a tough year but I did notice this year their brand kind of and we went to camp and

again it's the rule of the internet dude everybody we met sure it was so fucking cool their fans were awesome I did a lap around there because like like shocking some of the people were like hey can I have your hundred come like really but they were so nice man like everybody was so nice dude so you can't take online people seriously they're they're just mad Right. I don't want to make it all about Detroit fans, but it has been a weird year. Ryan Kennedy is the icing on the cake. Tanner. Dude's a boner.

The only thing that makes me mad is racism and animal abuse. Oh my God. Tanner, your vote? Yeah, I'm going with Bo. It's good. I think it's a sweep. Good old-fashioned. Worst eat by seat.

That seat. Anti-Bavble. Best seat. Best seat. I got a best seat. My best seat is going there. Burger McFarland at the Peech, at the Beach Bowl as a college, as a college player, saying he used his $987 per deal. That shit went fast, didn't it?

Hey, book, that shit went fast, isn't it? At Magic City. eating wings and enjoying entertainment. And as someone who had a bowl game in Jacksonville. We did. And they had an establishment called Mascarus. I didn't have $987. Yeah, what kind of per diem were we in?

I think we got 537. How did they get more than us? He's older than us. I have no idea. He's probably better. He probably got some under the ground. He was to LSU, right? He probably got that little.

No, he's a Florida State guy. Or you sold your gift to someone and took someone else's per die. Dude, I like Boog. We should get Boog on the show to talk about strip clubs, man. Now you're not going to be able to get rid of us, man. We're going to be. Oh, man. We found our niche.

But the bowl game, but spending your money at the strip club during a bowl game week, I'm sure it's a story that's not talked about a lot, but I'm sure it's a story that happens all the time. Well, you know, the funny thing. When you go into an establishment like this, They make you take all the money out and get it in singles. And then, like, what are you going to do, walk out of there with a bunch of singles? Yeah.

You got to spend it. No. You know what I'm saying? You're going to walk out with a sack of a single now. If they're good at their jobs, if they're good at their job. Man, if you're a college kid and you're going to Magic City, that per diem is going so fast. What?

And then you're walking there like, damn. And then how good the wings are, too? It's gone. Yeah, the wings, dude. I'd be just sitting at the bar eating the wings, man. I'll never forget, dude. We were in the Rose Bowl. We got our per diem straight to the body shop, baby.

Was that a tripub? Oh, yeah. Entertainment Center. I don't know that we ever went to a strip club in any of the bowl. Well, you did. I don't think I went to one. Mascar. I never forget that.

I was like, oh, I'm going to play well. I'm going to be in bed early. Lose. I'm not going to matter anyways. We're going to lose the Gator Bowl. All right. Your best seat. Oh, my best seat.

My best seat is. it's the James Harrison thing, dude. Remember the fan? Was it the Cleveland fan? Incredible. That he decapitated on the field because the guy walked out all blacked out. They had a reunion, bro. This is definitely some NFL.

It's really good that they did this the same week that D.K. and Ryan Kennedy got into it. It's kind of like one of those things. But look at this. Pretty cool. They're just them shaking hands. Look at them. They met.

He tackled this fan 20 years ago. And they get together and eat a nice meal together. Now, this meal had to get awkward. after a little bit after the yeah like like what's been up to anyway but the funniest thing was james harrison said that he goes do you remember what you said after i body slammed you he was like man i body slammed you on your head i got on top of you you looked up and you were kind of getting your bearings and he goes this is how i knew you were fucked up he goes you looked up at me you said i got you right where i want you now is that not classic

but also a really heartwarming story. You know what I've learned about James Harrison since I've been out of football? He was on inside the NFL, and as intimidating as he is, he seems like a really nice guy. Like, he's definitely serious, but he's a fucking,

he's a nice dude, and this was, I thought this was pretty cool. And now this fan... I'm sure he got paid to do this, but... Man, this fan is apparently sober. He's been sober.

Like, that moment helped him get... Oh, that's super cool. Back into, like, hey, I'm kind of losing that. That moment got him sober, but also gave him CTE. So yeah, you can't drink anymore. Both. My best seat.

This is so great. Dude, I was dying about this last night. Watching the Sunday night football game last night. Hurdy makes a nice play. You know, he dances around, throws that touchdown or whatever. And he goes,

that looked very Patrick Mahomes-esque. Mike Tariko immediately calls him out for it, talking about how. He's like, yeah, you know a lot of people online are saying that you compare every quarterback to Patrick Mahomes. And Collinsworth had no idea what the fuck he was talking about. I don't think for a second. Yeah, I'll continue to do that. And then, no, he goes, yeah, and I love memes.

Colonsworth talking about how he likes the memes. He's not self-aware enough for that. You know, he doesn't, he's not there. He's not. The best part was this, Tariko is just waiting. You know what I mean? Just waiting to roast Collinsworth was something like that. It was fun.

And then like two drives later, he compared one of the tight ends to Travis Kelsey. I was just like, God damn it, dude. Learn from your mistakes. I'm going to get out. I'll give you a worst seat. Is this worst seat? Hold on. We're going to vote.

Oh, my bad. Nolan? Snake draft. Best seat. I'm going to go with Nate. Bougar McFarland. Tanner? I like booger too.

Yeah. Boom. So I'll give you best seat or worst seat, right? Worst seat. I already forgot. So, no, worst seat. Worst seat's probably. I'm going to say it's Arthur Blank because a few years ago, they had a chance at Lamar Jackson.

And now it's seeming like at least the machine is putting some feelers out there to see if like this is going to be a thing this offseason. And you're going to have to probably overpay for a player who's got three more years of mileage. And you've been through Desmond Ritter, Kirk Cousin's giant deal. fucking Michael Pennock's draft you could have had Lamar Jackson and now you're probably going to have to overpay to get him and end up with the 30 year old version of him worst seat whichever team and I'll use the Falcons

had an opportunity and didn't do it and now we're going to be in the market for him three years later yeah it's a good one Beau pretty simple one here from your boy BAA my worst seat is Justin Herbert in the pocket versus the Texans defensive line You're self-explanatory if you watch that game.

Fucking tough place to be, Jay Herbo. Yeah, but he's such a pussy, though, right? He's just got shaky hair. He's just such a... He's a social media quarterback. Yeah, totally. You called him a social media quarterback at one point? Acho.

Dude, Acho lives on social media. No kidding. Worth seat. Jags fans watching the game on Fox where they consistently, instead of showing game replays, showed Philip Rivers family in the box, Philip Rivers High School team on the sideline or in the stands. And literally one critical part in the game

where one of the Jaguars players after a tackle just came up with the ball and it looked like it got stripped out in real time, they did not show the replay. And instead, they talked about the great story. it was that Philip Rivers was back and losing games so we're seat jacks fan yeah tanner your vote I'm going Arthur Blank orther Blank yes fucking seems like a nice guy but Jesus man Nolan I'm going with the Herbert in the pocket we talk about unblocked pressures when like

like design fails. There was untouched in this game. Dude, it looked like practice two minute. It's unbelievable. Uh, yeah,

it's going to bow. Justin Herbert. Poor guy. But I'm not going to lie. It was interesting the first time, the box. Yeah.

Then being like, yeah, this is Philip's whole like immediately. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's crazy. He probably had to get two boxes.

He probably had Two boxes. Yeah. See and everybody in there, just the lineage, like, of his kids, his grandkids and his wife and whoever else was in there. I'm like, yeah, that is cool, but like, come on. Like, once you show it once, it's like, all right, we get it. Hollow man.

Josh Allen, I'm going to give it that Josh Allen. You got to play better, brother. You got to know the situation, my brother in Christ. True. You know. Hot crazy scale. though, you know what I'm saying? After he did that, I was like, man.

Who is it? The scale. No, I got, I got a hollow man. Am I saying his name right? Trent, Balki, Balki. Balki. Balkie. I feel like he's a hollow man in a sense that you have a coach get interviewed

and basically say, I'll only coach here if you get rid of. the GM and they counter and say we'll call you back tomorrow yeah and in that meantime they just fire they get rid of bachy well it is isn't it interesting that Liam Cohen his resume was so short compared to a lot of guys yes they knew this guy was a hell of a coach like like you had to if you're if you're willing to do that like if that was like the if that was his his last like his why wouldn't you take this job if they asked you if they asked him that no i know i'm just saying they had to know like it's amazing how it seemed like in league circles everybody knew that this guy was special he was

next up because i think he is kind of special i think so too um and he and it follows the rule of the worst year opening press conferences the better you are as a coach um it might it might i mean he's doing another thing is for trin well he's watching harbaugh crush it in a second team and harbaw and him never got along in fucking San Francisco. He's just like wherever he goes, the second fiddle. Second fiddle. Yeah, but I would say hollow man,

just, even though it's not really hollow, but it's more like, it's hollow. It's hollow. Things are hollow. Yeah, like, just seeing like, damn, I just left this squad. If they gave me a chance, like,

would it been the same? Or, damn, like, they just turned it around like that, like I was in that building. I see what type of shit was in there. Yeah. It's all going well. So that's my, that's my, Hello, hello, man.

Uh, what are we on? Hollow man. Hollow man. I talked about this a little bit earlier. I kind of blew my Hollow man load, but, uh, Fred Johnson for getting his helmet and going on the field and then panic, rooting back and grabbing it from the bench, pretty benign Hollow Man, but like, dude, I've had that thought so many times or like, you know, you had that dream where you can't lace

your cleats up or you can't find your helmet or whatever. And then you see, I saw the funniest clip on social media, man. Like Jordan Milato is like looking at him and like you could tell like he didn't realize he wasn't wearing his helmet for a second, which is hilarious considering it was pissing rain. And then he just takes off to the sideline to grab his helmet. They showed a little clip of his helmet just sitting there on the little warmer behind the bench. I thought that was so funny. That killed me. My vote, hollow man.

It is Josh Allen. Nolan? I'm going to Trent Ball. Tanner. I'm going Josh Allen. see that's how i get a win today shitting on my favorite quarterback all right um stl memorial i just sent you my stl memorial you know not enough people are talking about the college sport of meat watching meat judging sorry uh texas an m's meat judging team come on finishes the

successful season with a national title you talk about this is this is a real headline out of people Yeah, this is, this is important, though. Yeah, it is important. Yeah, yeah, it's important. Look, we're laughing. No, I'm not laughing. This is what my man Judd does. Like, yeah, this is like his real job.

He goes to farms. Your man, Judge. Judd is a meat washer. To get you to like, be like, look, come on. Be like, pause. Nah, this is, this is as a guy who, as a meat connoisseur. Yeah. Pause.

Wow. Top comment. D1 meat inspector. Yeah. Yeah, meet inspectors. I mean, if these people weren't good at it, though, think about... Is that a liberal arts college or... That's Texas A&M, bro.

What type of... They march around with torches. Just like it's regular, dude. Oh, God. So, anyways, you need not yell, dude. STL Memorial? Mm-hmm. I am going with...

You're getting shuck. I'm giving this Tyler Shuck last three games. He's playing out of his mind. Young rookie that I would say probably no one, not a lot of people knew until five, six weeks ago. And I just feel like, hey, you step in, you take things in stride. And he's been good.

I mean, not a lot of bright spots, bright spots down. there in New Orleans, but I think for him, he's made a name for himself, whether you get to continue to start down there. I just feel like it's still a good shot, like being a rookie quarterback, not knowing if you're going to get any playing time, your playing time is going to come from, if you're even going to get in. And to be on a team like that where it's like, it's not the best supporting cast for a rookie quarterback, I think he's, I think he's been playing really well. Shot for Shuck. Bo? STL.

Oh, dude, this is so funny. The Giants Raiders game, side judge, Dominique. I got to figure out his name. I can't even read my own damn writing. Dominique Pender for the Giants Raiders game. First of all, nobody watch that game. Okay, so it's in the spirit of the STL Memorial, Dr. Fax.

There's a fight on the sideline, and there's some funny shit on social media about it today with like Russell Wilson, James got in this dude's face. Anyway, this motherfucker, this guy judge. sprinted like 30 yards climbed over benches was pushing his way through players that was also going break this thing up man what a warrior you know that guy takes his job seriously and i was kind of looking into him a little bit it turns out he's like some sort of uh CEO at like a local bank or something like that which is half the problem dude yeah right this is incredible athletic prowess for a referee

but like you shouldn't have these guys shouldn't have two jobs no he's got two jobs and he takes is reffing very seriously based on that little clip. If you watch him, man, it is a great clip. That dude is weaving duck, dip, dodging, climbing over benches and shit. So yeah, that's why I see on Memorial. No matter what. Puka might be on to something.

Yeah, no matter what, if you get blocked into the fucking Gatorade, you have to fight. Like, you have... Yeah, you got to. Like, you have to fight. No matter what, I don't care if you're fighting the whole team. It's just like, dog, don't block

me into the fucking gator can't do that to me you can't Trevor penning me that's just sucks you can't Michael or me right tanner your vote for us to all I'll take the meat yes wow we're double we're double meat over here are we going triple triple triple me triple me triple me we're back in it heading into game ball heading into game ball Chris and Boa tied to the top with Three, Nate with two. Wow. All right, game ball. Who wants to start?

I'll go. I'll start. I can't win. You can tie. Yeah. I could. Freeway. Because of the meat.

It don't matter. I'm giving it to my guy, whether I win or not, Parker, Washington, Mr. Washington, to you, if you don't know him. Get acquainted on knowing this guy. He is a kick returner or third or fourth string wide receiver playing like a number one and he just week after week he's been a safety valve for Trevor on some of these deep passes he could be there edelman bro he really could be and it's just the scramble when the scramble drill starts happening you best believe they throw on the ball to parker washington or jacobby

meyers but parker washington he knows how to find his spots on the field and get open and i think he deserves a game ball oh this is game ball game ball I was going to do Parker Washington. I'm just joking. My game ball. My game ball goes to Derek Henry's. Dude, he looked fucking good. That was insane.

He's a battering ram. Like, you just got to respect that, especially where the Ravens are at offensively and, you know, kind of where they're at, fighting for the AFC North. He had 36 carries, which is nuts late in December for a guy who's been doing it for a long time. Four touchdowns, two hundred and 15 yards.

You had a whole bunch of other accolades and is, you know, rapidly. climbing a lot of all-time lists for the NFL. Like he was playing hard as fuck, man. You got to respect it. He gets my game ball. King Henry, stud. Yeah, it'd be cool to be him for a play,

to feel like he feels for a play. Just speed bump a bunch of 200-pound people. Like, it's nothing. All right, game ball. I'm giving it to Kyle Shanahan, man. I know I glazed him earlier, but when you consider, that was a quintessential Kyle Shanahan win.

The defense has given up 40 points, whether you're like it or not. You know, by the way, you got your guy back in Sala, but it's a personnel issue. You've been missing Bosa, Warner, you've been missing, you know, you missed your quarterback, Purdy for a long time. You were missing Pierceaw. You don't have IUC out there. There's countless other guys that have just been injured, and maybe we should be starting to talk about the strength and conditioning program out there. But the head coach is just such a weapon when he controls the offense. controls it the way Kyle Shanahan does. When I watch them play, I'm not sure there's a better

coach group of individuals in the NFL. And I didn't say talented or best, but best coached, especially with the multitude of things they do in the rug game. Kyle Shanahan, I think he's coached the year this year. He's game ball this week. Had a chance of the one seed. All right, game ball voting. I am going with Derek Henry. Tanner. Yeah, I'm going with Derek Henry. He's not going to come in the studio and beat you all up you never know you never know for worth worth i was going on kyle shanahan feel very fortunate as a football fan that was amazing watch him in his prime he's amazing he's amazing all 22 every week Kyle I hope you see this if you need a pass rusher it's going to be five million dollars hmm let's go you're in chick fillet in five million dollars fuck I have five

million dollars I'll walk across America we could we could that's a lot of zones for 90 90 Would you get your jaw broken? Yeah. Somebody break my jaw? Yeah, the Jake Paul? Easy, dude. Hey, right here. Right here.

Right here. Right in the kissing. Anyways, the last thing. Yeah. Congrats, Bo. Good job. Good job, Bo. Good job, Bo.

Good bit MGM moment. Hell yeah. Is that your first win? What? No, I've went every week. Last one of the year. Last one of the year, fellas. Oh, no.

We got some more. We got some more. We're going to run these. Playoffs player. Say it again? It's just beginning. Alfax is making a 2026 show. Oh, yeah, you're doing the year thing.

See you next year. Hey, see you next year. I mean, next show is going to be next year, right? It will. It will. I'm going to be, oh, that's the thing. I get to go to Florida tomorrow. Florida.

It's a good time to go on vacation. But first, before you go, we're going to watch a little Rams Falcons tonight. You guys got to lean? Okay, so let's talk this out. I kind of feel like the Falcons covering is, is, a decent possibility. Especially with the back door being open. Balkans plus seven, the total is 49.

Pitch 2-any-time touchdown. He's been bowling out of control lately, right? Well, let's see who's public. Contract year. Who's public tonight? Who do you think's public tonight, if y'all had to guess? I bet the Rams, right?

I would think Rams, yeah. I would think Rams, yeah. Yeah, so Rams are public, 6139. That means it's going to be like, it's going to be a, You like that. It's going to be you like that night, dude. You like that. You like that. Falcons lose by three.

And honestly, I could see if you want to tease it, which I, you know, I'm not a proponent of teasing totals, but I do it sometimes. It's a dirty little secret. You could tease the total down to like 42 and get the Falcons at plus 14, which breaks every rule in the book. But I would just, yeah. Yeah, Falcons.

Hey, we were right on that indie over a week ago. It felt like 20 years ago. Anyways, be careful with these standalone games, folks. As you notice this weekend, that's when they get you. Hey, I want to do some live streams during the playoffs, man. You in the chat? Would you like a live stream? Duvon!

AFC title game, Broncos, gag, live stream. Pretty awesome. Holy mackerel. We get the student class going. Dude, I got that one, Nate. That's 24. That was like 30. It was 24.

24. Yeah, I love it, dude. I was fucking coughing like Chris. That's what it was. I used it. Yeah, bro, I almost threw up the first time I used it. Yeah, I felt like I was in high school smoking reefer again. Dude, that shit is like, whoa, I'm hearing the silence.

I literally felt like the first time I got out. You know what I mean? When you get so high, you can hear the silence? Yes. Tinnitus? Yeah. Yeah. All right, y'all, take it easy.

Take care. We'll see you later in the week for the preview. Happy New Year. Happy New Year. See you next year.