Green Light with Chris Long - AJ Brown To The Patriots? + NFL Draft Rumors With Daniel Jeremiah

Episode Date: April 21, 2026

It's Draft Week! The NFL Draft is here and nobody has more insider draft knowledge than Daniel Jeremiah. He takes Chris and Macon through the NFL Draft, breaks down who will go where, teams that need to make a splash at certain positions and analyzes the Dexter Lawrence trade between the Cincinnati Bengals and New York Giants. Chris kicks the show off with a breakdown of the latest AJ Brown trade news as rumors were swirling from Adam Schefter about a trade from the Philadelphia Eagles to the New England Patriots. And finally the fellas end with a mailbag. (00:00:00) - Intro (00:04:08) - Potential AJ Brown Trade? (00:16:18) - Billy Strings Show (00:24:00) - Daniel Jeremiah Dissects the 2026 NFL Draft (01:01:52) - Mailbag: NFL Uniforms, Robots & Bidets! Have some interesting takes, some codebreaks or just want to talk to the Green Light Crew? We want to hear from you. Call into the Green Light Hotline presented by Zone Nicotine and give us your hottest takes, your biggest gripes and general thoughts. Day and night, this hotline is open: ‪[phone]‬ Head to https://nicokick.com/zone and use code GL20 for 20% off at checkout. Check out Green Light's ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube Channel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, where you can catch all the latest GL action: Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

If he's still playing at a high, high level, three years from not great. Everybody's happy in New England, but I think for the Eagles, it's the time to get out from under this thing. And do I think it's them choosing the quarterback over A.J. Brown or, you know, the quarterback driving this decision? No, I think they're planning for the future. So I send Duke Tobin to text, and I'm like, hey, was just going through this process, like, man, you're not going to find anybody like Dexter Lawrence with the 10th pick. I think it was really, this long thing. And literally, once I hit Send, I was like, what am I doing? He doesn't care what I think about this crap.

Several hours later, several hours later, he hit me. The thumbs up. No. Carlos. Strap week. Some teams are going to get better. Some worse. That's true.

They'll make the wrong pick. Yeah, that's right. They'll be pot committed. You know what I'm saying? I feel you. Yeah. What about the G-Burice? men we can't wait to talk to Daniel Jeremiah about what the G men did over the weekend what was your

what's the word that you said to yourself when you read the the headline sick you said sick yeah yeah it's sick dope one i just like it's a giants fan by the way making's a giants fan i like i like teams making moves you know yeah that's fun mm-hmm really valuable draft capital in the top 10 for a really good player. If I may, all right. So sexy Dexy is approaching 30. Coming off an injury in a down year.

I want to go one step further. And this is not revisionist history. When everybody was saying how he was like the best player on the team, I was looking at that a little sideways, Chris. You knew first. I was like, yeah,

he's, he's good but he's not Aaron Donald okay but you know he's falling on top of the pile a lot it's like saying Jimmy Butler's not Michael Jordan sure respectfully

he was he was running into some of those he was accusing him on JOP jumping on the pile a little bit I think he was pretty dominant in his heyday really good player he has dominant football left in him but I think it's a we talked about this like a week or two ago it's a deal you have to make if you, if somebody's going to send you the 10th overall pick.

Yeah. Yeah. And for Sinci, it's a deal you have to make, too, because you haven't drafted a fucking, you haven't drafted anybody in 15 years. Correct. I mean, other than the quarterback and, you know, but on defense, defensive linemen,

they're not going to find a Dexter Lawrence in the draft. And the window is right now. So they had to do it. They had to do it. Really fun trade. Can't wait to see how the Giants grew up the draft pick part of it. It's going to be interesting. It's going to be interesting.

to Daniel Jeremiah about that. Daniel Jeremiah, one of my favorite people to have on the show, and he's going to be on TV all weekend, NFL Network. Daniel Jeremiah, what's his middle name? First Corinthians? Daniel Jeremiah, what's his middle name? Deuteronomy? They're both, their biblical name. I got it. Yeah. Unbelievable. All right. No, I think it is Deuteronomy.

well look it up electric conversation with DJ what if it's ecclesiasty see that's funny where were the last one I said it middle name they were they were the Danor last James James another biblical name oh literally yeah good for him

blessed and highly favored and great at his job so we will have him on shortly we don't need DJ to talk about this This is one of the headlines of the week. Eagles talk. Eagles talk, and it centers around. Surprise, surprise. A.J. Brown.

Developing news. Adam Schaefter. Eagles remain open to trading AJ Brown. The Patriots remain highly interested in acquiring the star receiver and conversations are expected to resume shortly on or before June 1, likely culminating in a deal per league sources. As one source said about the Patriot's pursuit of Brown,

they'll definitely be engaging then a trade to new england is now considered likely this trade was always going to fucking happen and my take is no duh post june one that's a good time no i mean it's we knew this was happening after june first and the reason it's happening after june first is because there are three options here the the way it looks right now is you could one trade him um this year post june one which is the one that we've been proponent i've been a proponent of I'll tell you why in a second. Two, you could cut them next year pre-June 1. Three, you could cut next year designated post-June 1.

The first option, $16 million in dead cap, $7 million in cap savings. The second option, $31 million in dead cap, no-cap savings. You're actually $8.5 in the red against the cap. And then 27 post-June 1, $15,5 in dead-caps, $7 million in savings. So I do think this makes the most sense financially. and it makes the most sense from a football standpoint for me too because I just think at some point you're going to want to move on and I think this is the time where you're going to be able to get the most for him not only do you have the healthiest youngest version of AJ Brown that will

ever exist again I mean he's going to be 30 soon but you also have a team that has a quarterback that just took him to the Super Bowl with respectfully not a lot outside and they think he's very good and it is his rookie deal. And his old ball coach, AJ Browns, is the head coach of that football team. Let's do the deal. I mean, I think they could push this one through. I know we're going to have to wait over a month to make it official. But I do think this is going to happen.

And for the Patriots, it makes a lot of sense. I think Jalen Hertz is one of the best deep ball throwers of the football in the game. we've seen it with AJ Brown time and time again where AJ who's a great deep threat outside the numbers not all he does but he does that very well he doesn't even have to move his fucking hands half the time well you're going to go to another prolific deep ball thrower in new england in drake may he's practically a jugs machine and he's going to throw to guys like romeo dobbs and uh you know we you know we're forgetting about people like pop douglas is going to get kind of lost in the shuffle, but most importantly, A.J. Brown, another deep target. You know, you add

Romeo Dobbs, you add A.J. Brown. These are two guys can go up and get the ball outside the numbers. They have size, and they can both catch in cuts. And I look at these two guys and I say, you know, they're going to unlock a lot of ceiling when it comes to this New England offense. For Eagles fans, you're going to be like, you know, this guy's had a thousand yards, four years straight. It's been a You know, he's been probably the most important part of the passing game. So why get rid of him? I'm not saying, I think he's got one or two really borderline dominant years left, depending on how healthy he is and the play he has around him.

I just think it's getting close. And because of everything I just outlined earlier, like there is a universe where he stays too long and then you can't get much for him relative to what you can get now for him. and obviously when you talk about like the the options relative to the cap like this is the time and I said this last year I saw little little things in his game obviously like people fixated on the effort or the you know the the stuff behind the scenes with not getting along quote unquote with the quarterback which I think is probably overblown um but I'm not in the building um I also saw like a little

stiffness in him sometimes like you know where i'm like he's starting to look a little bit older and that's not like i don't mean for it to be bullet and board material um for a j brown or for the patriots but i just i'm not waiting on his demise i'm just saying it's it's it's coming eventually like is it going to be this year no i don't think so is it going to be the year after maybe um is it going to be the year after next like if he's still playing at a high high level to three years from now great. Everybody's happy in New England, but I think for the Eagles, it's the time to get out from under this thing. And do I think it's, do I think it's them choosing the quarterback over A.J. Brown or, you know, the quarterback driving this decision? No, I think

they're planning for the future, which I think is a, it's a pertinent thing to do. I also think they realize, like, where they are. And I'll talk to Daniel Jeremiah about this. Like, they could be picking offensive linemen, um, thinking about the future. And, you know, this draft early in the draft like the eagle's window is not as wide open as it was the last couple years and you know the other thing that's interesting about this is a j brown is a damn good football player as evidenced by people's reactions of disappointment that he's leaving that sort of thing like he matters when's the last time you saw howie roseman trade a guy that was currently a good football player or

or north of a good football player. Like that's not what he does. You know, usually everything, how he does, you know, he's overpaid for people or he's traded for people that maybe didn't pan out or made signings that didn't pan out. But at the time he signs or trades for a player, usually everybody's, you know,

great fucking job, Howie. Like everything you do is awesome. Thank you for being aggressive. This is the opposite. And you do have to do some of this, if you want to be a GM in the NFL. And every fan thinks like, hey, our time is now. And I think also, you know, GM's no better than anybody.

Like, they're looking at things year to year and saying, hey, we have to think ahead. And also with the Wix, the Wix trade, I'm not saying it's solidified this is happening. But like, Dantavian Wix is a good football player. I think Philly fans are going to find that out. I haven't really spoken on this. Wix is one of my favorite dudes that came out of UVA. He's a really hard worker. He puts his head down.

He doesn't say much. He's had a case of the drops at times in Green Bay. But he is a big, strong dude who will throw his hat in there and block, and he will work well in Sean Mannion's system. It's not a coincidence that Mannion comes, and he probably raves about this guy and says, hey, we give him a chance to shine here. He's going to be even better.

And Wicks, he was coached in college by one of my best friends of Marcus Hagan's tremendous wide receivers coach so I'm a big fan of wicks when they made this move it wasn't like a for sure thing that a j was gone but you know um with hollywood brown with smitty obviously being your number one and with wixie working in um and the draft still to come i don't see the big issue um and i think for the eagles it was it was the smart thing to do and people like that 2027 draft a whole lot. So if the return is 2027 draft capital. Great. Great.

Great. And how do we trust, right? Even when he's selling off the best players on the team, I mean, does that make sense? You know, you do it now. And this is the time you're going to get the most for him. And, you know, you wait too long. You could turn into a pumpkin. That's the way this thing goes.

So it's timing. And it doesn't hurt that he doesn't get along with the quarterback. seemingly or on the football field they haven't meshed as of late so does he start arguing with drake may at some point do you think i don't think he's that type of guy i just don't think he was satisfied with the offense in philly i didn't agree with the way he went about it but i understood the points he was making yeah i think he's very heavily utilized in new england i think he is too i think he's going to be like it's going to be the opposite he's going to be like damn i'm getting like 20 targets again too much

Are too many targets. Tone it down. Has there ever been a receiver that was like, I need to go somewhere else. The fucking breaks, man. Get me the damn ball less. Throw it to him. So yeah, AJ Brown, probably gonna be a pet.

There is a chance though that some other teams get involved because it's kind of telegraph now. And I wonder what the market is for AJ Brown. What do you think the return's gonna be? What do you think the return's gonna be? Do you think it's a one? No. I don't think it's a one either.

but it's a low one. You don't think is, the rumor is that Howie's been asking for a one, 20, 27 or 2028. Not gonna happen. At least. You don't think so? No.

I don't know for sure, but just keep in mind if you're saying, no way, it is a low one. Yep. So, I mean, you know, I don't know what it looks like. It's not a Dexter Lawrence Hall.

Guys. Noel, what do you think? I mean, as an Eagles fan, optimistically, I'm hoping for like one and a three. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. No, like optimistically, one and a three. Now, as you laid out, Chris, I think what's interesting when you look at the Pats receiver room, you had AJ, you just paid Dobbs. Where does Kisham Booty fit in the equation there?

Does he find his way back to Philly or find his way to Philly as part of the deal? I don't know. I bet you know he could be you know you talked about wicks having the inside outside versatility yeah maybe he factors in the slot and then hollywood brown only on a one-year deal him and booty in the contract you're competing for that other spot on the outside that's an interesting thought a j brown in 2022 yeah was traded from titans to eagles for the number 18 overall pick all right that's one yeah DJ more this year traded by the bear's of the bills for a second yeah I would I still put him a above DJ Moore. Yeah. You know, he's this descending, descending purple, descending high blue? Jalen Waddle just went for a one and a three. Okay.

Waddle went for a one. Knowing the colors you guys used to color us, you make us colors upstairs, you just reduce us to colors. Yeah, we reduced you guys to numbers. Numbers on a color scale. Yeah, exactly. So blues, blue chips, transcendent talents, Aaron Donald being one of them, talked about earlier.

Then you get into your reds. You got a range in the reds. Those are your win because of players. You got high level reds, low level reds. Low level guys are like your quality starters, you say. And then you get into the purple range, which is players you can win with. He's descending high purple or high red. Descending high red.

Yep. Why does red get a gradient? I don't know. Why didn't you just go blue, red, purple? Roy G. Bibb, bro. Worth color. I didn't make the scale. He didn't make the scale.

Anyways, he just stared at it all day and was like, yeah, this motherfucker is yellow. He's pissed yellow. So we got him tomorrow. What do you guys think? That's what they say upstairs. Cowboy, we got a little cosmic tunic this week. You got a mailbag. From Get Out Mafay.

What Billy String songs got you the most cosmic this weekend? Because we're doing a full mailbag on the back end of this show. So stick around after Daniel Jeremiah. This is just the first mailbag we had to exhaust because we talk about Billy Strings. Friday night, Cowboy Reed gave me a ticket to Billy Strings, which I appreciate greatly. Yeah, we had a little sweet. It was in celebration of my brother's birthday. So I invited all my friends to his birthday celebration.

That's pretty safe. You're a good brother. Yeah, yeah. Friday night, we caught a three-hour set. I could not go Saturday. I couldn't fully let loose because I had to coach Little League baseball well. Picture Day was 8 a.m. for one of the kids, and then we had another game later in the day. But, yeah, to answer the question, which, first off, Billy strings get well, dude.

Get well. For those that don't know, Billy attempted a skateboard trick Saturday night in between the final song in the encore. I hate that it happened here, dude. I hate that it happened, period. I almost commented under his post. I hate that it happened in Charlottesville, but that kind of sounds like it's more about it happening in Charlottesville.

Like, I hate that it happened, period, brother. Right. But he's still in town because of the great treatment at UVA hospital. We don't know for sure. Yeah, he said. But if he is still in town, okay, well, if he is still in town. Shouted out all the great doctors and nurses at UVA. Well, that's great.

It's a good place this now. tap your ankle for sure is the is the truth about it and um you know billy if if you're just sitting around charlottesville a couple things you can do i would doordash maya it's a great restaurant call it's fucking banging restaurant get the ribs rainbow trout get anything dude and then um there's a business about 45 minutes south here called james river runners if you if you like the outdoors check that spot out i hear it's the fucking best um and and just Just real estate. And if you're looking to buy real estate,

who do you work for? 434. You can look me out. No, no, I don't see that. But it is a beautiful place. I mean, you're here at the most beautiful time of year. You know, you should probably, when he plays again, because now has some of his tour dates or, you know that song,

You Ain't Going Nowhere by the Birds? Yep. You know, it was about Bob Dylan getting a motorcycle accident. that he was he couldn't he was laid up oh really yeah it's kind of he should probably play that at the next show right right but to answer the question first off billy strings is the fucking man and uh every time you see him he's great to answer the question what what songs have were the most cosmic had me the most yeah yeah we're the most cosmic dude i told you this during the show i'm sorry if some of y'all don't know billy but you're just going to have to hang in here or go listen to his

music. Skip ahead. Skip ahead. No, don't skip ahead. Download nugs, the app and pay whatever it costs and then listen to some Billy Strings concerts. But I was real hyped when it looked like they were taking a break and then he just, he just played the banjo. Which he never does. He sat in the middle of the stage, his bandmates left, one light on him in a chair just playing the music. And I called, I knew he was going to play country blues. Yep. So you had some Doc and then Ruben's Train, which is one of my favorites that he plays.

And then, you know, you had, Am I Born to Die, which was, I mean, it's just him singing. I love that one. White Dove was great. Which is, is that old and in the way originally? Because that's where I learned it was Olden in the way, the old Jerry Garcia. Yeah, yeah. Bluegrass Group. I think that is right.

And the black clouds and so many miles. That was the Billy, it's the guy in his band, Billy Failing? Billy Failing, yeah, yeah. He was fucking, that was awesome. Dude, all those guys are such good musicians. It's insane. They're incredible.

They're all incredible. Anytime they, you know, switch who's leading in a jam, they come back to the next guy seamlessly. They all fit together so, so well. Show is X-ray. Will you pull up the X-ray? Yes. I mean, he really did a number on his shit, dude.

And pull up all the screws that are in there. This wasn't like, this wasn't like a, oh, hairline fracture. This was like, because it started, it started as a rumor in the group text that people were on like the police scanner and said that like there was an artist who broke their leg. Yep. And everybody was like, oh, shit, was it Billy Strings? Like he was supposed to come out for the encore. I didn't make it back Saturday night because I promised the kids that I go camping. Good dad.

well great dad considering the the show was was was going on and um but the nice thing is i had the nugs lined up soon as it dropped i'm grilling hot dogs in the field kids are swimming in the inflatable pool and uh i got the i got friday night show on nugs yeah so it was just it was awesome um that's a nasty break right there get well soon billy strings come back to charlesville i hope this isn't like a man i'm never come back to charlesville um he comes back every year he always puts on a great show it's amazing really kills it is amazing and that that the fact that he just sat on stage he never does that ever like buddies who have who have known who have been to like 80 billy shows in the last uh year they're like modern day deadhead

yes yes these it's insane there's people dancing in the concourse they've got uh they're not even in seats they're just people dancing and they've got the uh like a shakedown street type thing in the parking lot. It was crazy. Dude, when the dead came to Charlottesville, we were in college, and they, shake down street was like the parking lot outside our football building. Man, I got a contact high, bro. You're out there practicing.

Couldn't get anything done. Yeah. Like, I wonder why. Because it just smelled. It just smells. Like Shakedown Street out here. But, yeah, shout out to that whole band. From Friday, Drifter's Escape was a terrific tune.

I thought that he played the Bob Dylan cover. and then ending it with Richard Petty, how long have I been waiting for you an old slew foot right around the microphone was top-knott. I heard. I left after White Dove because I had to get home. Be a good day. Yeah, by a certain time.

Which I feel like a total pussy about. You did the right thing. Yeah, well, the Uber was a lot quicker. I'll tell you how much. Did we win baseball on Saturday? Yeah, one baseball. One Longboy is undefeated Saturday. It was a good day at the ballpark.

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there's a thing called the draft that's going on this weekend. I don't know if y'all have heard of that. But welcome to the show, DJ. How you doing? Good to see you, man. Yeah, my hotel, I'm in Pittsburgh. I look right out at the Pirates Park. Galley, what a cool looking park, man.

The water right there and everything. I've been to a million Steeler games. I don't know why I've never really paid attention to the baseball park, but it's nice. I kind of support the all pro teams in one municipality should be the same color. because of Pittsburgh. I like that too. Yeah. I like that too. That's good stuff.

I also got Makin here with me, obviously, and there is some Giants news to talk about in a second. But I think the first question I've got, it's kind of a macro question, DJ, is, does this draft remind you of any other year? You know, you probably have a pretty good institutional memory of the profile of each draft class. And I'm wondering if this draft kind of rings a bell. Yeah, I mean, I think there's, it's never a perfect match just in terms of, you know, where everything is. It does feel a little bit like the picket draft, like the Kenny Pickett draft.

You know, like I felt like when you're in a draft where it's like the, is this guy going to go in the first round or the second round? Like, you know, you're talking about the second quarterback in the draft. Like the discussion is always framed around the quarterbacks. So from that standpoint,

it kind of reminds me of that conversation and the lead up to the draft with the Ty Simpson comparison there. But, you know, it's, I've been using this phrase to describe it. And I've used this in the past. But this one I think especially feels that way. Like starters, not stars.

Like it's not as star studded, but I think there's a lot of good starters in this draft. Yeah, that's kind of the way it's been described, which can create some kind of tricky situations where maybe you have to weigh your needs against how good the players actually are and try not to get too greedy at the top of the draft. I think it makes the top 10 very interesting. And one thing that just made a little bit more interesting is the Dexter Lawrence trade.

Obviously, Macon's Giants, I think they had to make this trade, DJ. I mean, we were talking about it leading up. I was like, if somebody wants to send real capital over, I kind of feel like it's what you have to do. And I think for Cincinnati, a team who has not drafted well, especially on the defensive line, the last decade, it's closer to a surefire thing.

What was your takeaway when you first saw this trade come down? So I was making calls this weekend, and I was talking to a bunch of different GMs and coaches. and I was on a phone specifically with one GM, and we're like, let's just run through the top 10. This team was not picking in the top 10, so we can have a very candid open discussion. So we're going through what teams need and who's there,

and we're kind of ripping through it. And then, you know, it's kind of this subplot of Jermad McCoy's knee and some teams are really concerned there. So we'll see what happens with him. But if you take him out of that mix of that top 10 to 12 players. So we going through everything. And then we had Mancer-Dalain, I think, going to the Chiefs. So we get to the Bengals at 10.

And we're like, okay, you know, they have to, they want to go defense. You know, they need to do it for Burrow. They feel good about their young edges, even though, you know, they got Stuart, they picked in the first round last year. In free agency, they brought in Amafi. So they've got those two guys. They like the future with those two guys going forward. And so it was DT and corner. Well, the corner, there's now one corner instead of two, and he's gone.

There's no DTs. Right. So you're sitting there. We've got to do something to help Joe Burrow. we need a defensive player at these two positions. We're literally on the phone. We're like, the Bengals are kind of screwed. Like with the way this is fallen,

literally within one hour, that trade goes down. And like, I texted him. I'm like, dude, I feel like they were listening to our conversation here. Like this, like, I think it was a really smart, I think it was a really smart move. I do. And then I, this is where, like, you were being kind and saying, like, like, I'm the most wanted person this week

because this is like the draft and this is what I do. But this is like a classic case of like, you got to remind yourself like how unimportant. you are. I'm so excited about this trade, dude. And I'm like, this is fun. Like, it kind of gave it. We need a little fun. So I send Duke Tobin to text. And I'm like, hey, was just going to this process, like, man, you're not going to find anybody like Dexter Lawrence with the 10th pick. Like, I think it was really, this long thing. And I, and literally, once I hit send, I was like, what am I doing? Like, he doesn't care what I think about this crap. He might.

So then literally, no. So this was, this was the confirmation. Several hours later, several hours later. he hit me hit the thumbs up no there's nothing worse than a thumbs up oh but I deserve the thumbs up dude that was deserving of a thumbs

up like who doesn't care who cares what I think about that stuff but I just I had just gone to the exercise dude and I'm like that makes all the sense of course they did this we had a buddy who claimed he was friends with a head coach and this is a calendar year ago who texted the head

coach before the season and told him to draft Cam Ward in the next draft, which is kind of a-a-move. Which insinuates that you're going to be there in the top three. You're going to hit the worst team in the league. He tells the story. This media member will go unnamed. But he was like, man, fuck, I really messed that up at 2 in the morning. I'm drunk texting the coach and told him, hey, you got to take Cam Ward next year,

which is basically to say, hey, you guys are going to suck. But I do think I agree with you, DJ. It's a good move for the Bengals. They have not drafted well. Maffei, yeah, I think people look at his stats last year and they say, oh, it's an overpay. But he has the ability to go get double digits for them. Yeah.

And the only thing I is, Stuart did not show me a lot last year. You didn't do anything last year, but your pot committed. I mean, you took my support. You're pot committed. I just thought technique. I hope somebody is working with him on his technique because, yeah, the gifts are there. but like from a hand usage standpoint, he was so far from where he needed to be.

Further evidence that they don't do a great job in the draft, at least up front. And so this Dexter Lawrence move is a no-brainer. Macon, did you like getting the 10th pick as a Giants fan? The draft is my favorite thing in the world. So the answer is yes. I've done three dozen mock draft simulators with the fifth and the 10th. There's nothing more fun.

I'm curious, though, Daniel, you talk about Ozzie Newsom saying a lot, especially in the first round, hit doubles off the wall. At 5 and 10, who would be, you're the GM, you're Joe Shane, who are the two most surefire hits? Because I know there's talk of maybe Jordan Tyson at 10 and reasonable minds can disagree on Jordan Tyson. are there just Sonny Stiles, Caleb Downs? Who would it be for you? You just gave me my fifth and tenth picks.

Nice. I would take Stiles at five, and I would take Downs at 10. And I think there's a, the decent shot that he's there with downs at 10. But the sense that I get of what they're going to do is I think of those two spots,

they really want to come away with a receiver. And it sounds like Tyson's their guy that they want to come away with. So he's polarizing, just because the talent is all there. Then everybody kind of agrees. I feel like the draft process, not to get on a soapbox, but I feel so much of it is we're all saying the same things.

And then there's this disagreement. It's like, no, no, no. You love him. I acknowledge the ability, but I have the reservations about some of the play strength and then the durability. And then you're talking about you love the ability, but you have some of those. I'm like, we're saying the exact same thing.

It's just where you value, like where are you comfortable taking them with those things? you, you know, it's kind of like the risk assessment. How risk averse are you? Yeah. Yeah. Where are you at in your thought process there? But I think we see the same things. I don't think we're seeing anything different there. But I was told that they, that Stiles was not going to be, not going to be their guy at five. But I'm just looking at it going like, man, it's your first pick. You get a new coach. It's such like this is what we're about. Like the guy's like the elite wiring.

Plus I get the rare traits to go along with that. I'm going to park him right in the middle of the field. Like it's a leadership position. Like, man, that checks a lot of boxes there. And Harbaugh is kind of used to having one of those guys. And I think, you know, you talk about how important the middle of the, the middle of the defenses in today's NFL. We kind of went away from the offball linebacker value thing. But I would argue it's right up there.

We don't count it as a premier position the way you count edge and the offensive tackle and that sort of thing. But in today's NFL, I think it's really important to win the middle of the field. I do. And I think when you look at the athletic quarterbacks, that can be an racer, you know, with, you know, we see so much, you know, RPO stuff has trickled up to the NFL. So now all of a sudden, like, you're playing Washington, and they want to run Jaden Daniels out to the perimeter.

Well, can go run him down laterally. You want to RP on. Well, now he's got, you've got a freaking teradactyl back there. You've got to navigate and throw around. Like, I think it's even more valuable today than it was 10 years ago. So is there any chance to Giants kind of do the love thing and load their backfield up? because that's been kind of talked about as well. Yeah, Macon's just giving me the head shake there.

You don't like it. I just saw it. Yeah. But I do think, I do think, you know, they have some more pieces in place there now at least than they did when they got Sequin in there.

So, I mean, I definitely think that's going to be part of their calculus if he's there. And I think that would be more of a hardball thing than maybe a Joe Shane thing. Yeah. Because, you know, Joe Shane went through the whole process with Seekwan. And that's all out there.

I mean, that was the end of front office hard knocks. That was the end of that whole thing once the way that played out. I hope we'll ever see that again. But that's going to all come back. I think the Giants get a bad rap for that whole thing. They were going to waste Sequan's prime. Yeah. You know, at least they sent him on his way and he got a chance to win.

I don't know. The kicker of it, though, you know the kicker. The whole thing was just that one line of, oh, as long as he doesn't go to the Eagles. Yeah. That's tough, man. That's tough. Well, this is actually a topical question because I think the Giants have a chance

to be a lot better pretty quickly if the quarterback is the guy. And I wonder what teams in this draft have the best chance, maybe middling or south of middling teams from 25, have the best chance of flipping the deal in one draft and does Miami factor into that conversation? They seem to have a long way to go,

but they got a ton of picks. And I actually, like, before the Waddle trade, I was looking at their offense, And I was like, man, they're a couple players away. You know, they've got two damn good offensive linemen, a premier running back. They had a premier wide receiver. But the point remains, they got a ton of picks. Who do you count as a team that could make a big jump?

And is Miami one of those teams? Yeah, I think Miami's got a chance to just be, first of all, they're going to be completely different. I mean, there's just been a lot of Exodus. And they've got seven top 100 picks. So they're going to be playing a lot of good, you know, young players. I put them more on the, like, remember last year, Cleveland, all those rookies played great. They all played great. And I think that's, you're going to feel

that more in the overall win total, you know, maybe in year two and in year three. I think that's more of the timeline with Miami. I think you're going to see a lot of good young players on the field this year. I think they got a good GM, a good coach, and you'll see them kind of in the buildup phase. The team that, you know, nobody wants to, everybody gets sick

of talking about them, but like the team with the most opportunity is Dallas. Yeah. You know, they're sitting there. Two picks there, 12 and 20, you've got the quarterback in place. They've got a lot of the key things there. need to fix the defense, you know, and you need to add some pieces in there where they are. If they say, like, look, we're going to come away with this thing and, you know, they could go one edge rush or one secondary player or they could just go, you know, Christian Parker's coming in here. He's got a background in the secondary.

Like, we're going to take DBs at 12 and 20 a corner of safety and like we're going to turn the secondary round in one year. Like, I think they could make drastic improvement on that defense. Are they as big a trade-up candidate as people have talked about? I haven't heard that, dude. Yeah. I haven't heard it. But it doesn't mean it's not going to happen. But just the people that I've talked to, I haven't.

I haven't heard that. And it's kind of not really been their style as of late. You know? Yeah. I haven't been that super aggressive. Like they, you know, the Parsons trade and then you get the Quinn and trade. But this hasn't been a big, big swing move up team. Who are the teams that could move up early in this draft?

And, you know, somebody floated the chiefs. The chiefs to me are so interesting because they're never here picking. in the top 10. It's like, okay, you're up. What are you going to do? Let's see how the other half lives. What do you think of a team moving up in the top 10? I think of the two teams. You mentioned the chiefs and I throw the Rams in there of teams that don't really belong up there. I've talked to Howie about that before. I think it was the like when they took, gosh, what year was it? I remember going back, but it was Carter because you're like, like, okay, there's a little bit of a risk here, but like, we're never up here.

Like, let's take a big swing on like an Uber, over, over talented player. Like, we're never going to get a chance to draft this type of a player. So take your swing. Well, that's why I'm like with the Rams, if somehow Jeremiah Love started drifting a little bit and you're less need, you're like, well, hold up now. Like, I've got the girly, I had the girly era and the Stafford era,

and guess what we're getting ready to do. We're getting ready to marry the two of them together. That would not, that would not shock me at all. Like, when are they ever going to get an opportunity to get a player of that caliber up that high in the draft. I mean, they've drafted unbelievably well. They've got verse, you know, they've got all these guys. But to get like this guy who's regarded as the best player or the second best player in the draft, like, you know, you get an opportunity, you take your swing. He's not afraid to take risks. Well, drafting well makes it all the more,

you know, it's all the more reason to move up. You know, you, you know you draft well. And people have mocked like the lemon wide receiver at 13, which is great and everything, but if love is like a generational talent. And I, you know, you know, you know, you know, you draft well, um, and I think for them, they're in a unique spot where it's like three, four years from now be damned. We're trying to win another Super Bowl and Matt Stafford's window small. Yeah, they're this close. And those years are going away. So that's one, those are the two teams to me of like they could have the guts to go ahead and do something big.

What do you think the chiefs do? Because obviously you see kind of a little mini-exodus, the guys in the secondary there. I think they could use edge rush. I think they use pass rush, obviously. You know, it hasn't looked great as of late. their tape up front. Although I like the, I think the Galati kid could develop into a nice player.

Like, I'm not saying the coverage bare, but what do you think they need to do the chiefs at nine or whether they trade up? Yeah, to me, when you look at their overall picks here, 9, 29, 40, those are the three. So really, I look at it almost as like three,

40, you know, three top 40 picks, three first round tight picks. The two of the three, one's a pass rush or one's a cross, one's a corner, you know, and just a matter of where you want to situate them within your three picks. Usually it's, you always work big to small, like the, it's put the premium on the edge rusher at nine, or even if they were to trade up, like kind of feels like that could be a direction they could go. And then I think there's going to still be, I believe, they're still going to be really good corner options at 29 and at 40 if they, if they waited on that.

There's edge rusher guys too, but I do think it's a different class. Like if you can get one those top premier edge rushers. I think you have to do it. Do you think Bayne is being undervalued a little bit? I'm watching the way people are mocking him. And it just seems like unanimous that Bailey or Reese are going to be the first edges off the board. And I put edges in quotes because I'm still, I don't know what Arvel Reese is at the next level. Like should I be seeing something that I'm not? Like I worry about the variability of the outcome there. I think Bailey is a good football player, respect his instincts a lot.

There's just something about Bain that I think could be really differentiating. Is he kind of getting docked for the T-Rex arms a little too much? Yeah, I'm going to turn that around to you and ask you, but that's why I've been going Bailey, not only just the information, I have Bailey over Reese. I think I'm in the minority on that one. But I have him over and I had the Jets taking him just because of certainty. Like I'm picking up there in the top five.

I want some certainty of what exactly I'm getting here. I see all the upside and the athleticism with Reese, but you're not going to take him as an off-the-ball player. He's a good player, but he's not worth the second pick. You're taking him at the second pick because of what you're dreaming he can become as an edge rusher. And it's still a work in progress there of what you get. My question, I was talking to a D-Lion coach about this, and I know, and I've talked to other people that feel differently,

what about the main thing that was presented to me was he's going to be able to leverage guys, going to be able to power guys. This coach didn't thought the escape stuff bothered him. Like he wasn't going to be able to escape. So what's your take on? If he gets into guys. Yeah. You know, there's always that possibility.

You have to get real good at reducing, you know, surface area. You have to be a one-arm bull rush kind of guy, a lot of counters. Listen, a lot of people, and it might be a lazy comp, comp, comp into Brandon Graham. I talked about that last week with Nate Tyson. I think if he's Brandon Graham, you'd be very happy. with a Brandon Graham in the middle of the first round any given year, right? However, if you're going to take them in the top five,

maybe you'd say that was a reach, but I still think like the class that you're looking at, and that's why I look at a team like Kansas City, and I'm like, if Baines falling, you need a good win right now guy outside. I think you look at the totality of what you have in the class and you make a gut decision. I don't know how you feel.

about, you know, saying, hey, this class isn't great. It's a lot of good players, not great players, so we're just not going to take swings at rushers in the top 10. But I see Bain and the ankle flexion. I'm not usually a bag work guy, but I watch him work the bags. A couple guys that I played with, like older guys in the NFL sent me videos of Reuben Bain on the bags. And they were like, whoa. You know, like just, he just looks the part. So maybe I'm falling for it, but the fluidity, couple with the leverage. Like I just think there are some outliers, man. And this class, like, I don't know if you notice this,

but there's a lot of guys with very imperfect. There's not a lot of clean players. Yeah. So it's tough. I'm not sure what the answer is. I don't envy guys that coming in this draft that absolutely need an edge. So, you know, because Bailey, to me, there's something about the top of the rush that's a little scary to me.

It's a little tight. It's a little tight. He's a little tight. his get off is incredible and he's got great instincts great spin move all that stuff but i just worry a little bit about there's nobody in this class that i'm just like yeah pure pass rusher yeah no that's what that's that's what that's that's what you got to you got to make compromises somewhere because there's just no perfect players the the thing that helped me with bailey for whatever i to me like burns coming out like some of those concerns i had with burns i had

with bailey but burns had a real good feel was real instinctive guys he can say guys are overset and he's got a good feel for he'll use that span he'll just that span he'll different things kind of counter off that. And then the get-off is legit. Like, you're going to have to, he gets off the rock. Like, he's going to win a couple times just with, just with doing that. So he's, that's where I kind of arrived at with him. I looked at, I was talking to GM in the day, and he said,

we're starting at their team starting to look at our third rusher is the same, the same importance of a nickel or slot receiver. Yeah. Like, our third edge guy. Yeah, because you're going to NASCAR. Yeah. So, like, I'm looking at, and I haven't, I haven't, I haven't, haven't talked to anybody in Washington about about him specifically. But when I was going to the

teams and I'm like, okay, well, Washington goes out and they get away, I had away on my brain, they get away and chase on. And I'm like, Bain's kind of like the perfect compliment to those guys. Bain can kick in and kick him inside. And let him rush guards with those two fastballs, you know, more speed guys on the edge. And then even like you want to give Oway some, you want to take some snaps off him, then Bain on early downs is out there just setting a firm edge and doing all that stuff. I don't know what Tully's arm length was. But I'm a little longer, but there's a similarity there. I look at Tully and I say, well, that's a guy you'd be real happy with in the top 10 to 15, like for sure. You know, some people might say it's a reach or he's not going to be a 15

sack guy. I mean, he was damn close this year and you can kick him inside. And I do think that increases the value because if it doesn't work with Bailey outside, like what are you doing? And if Reese can't rush the edge, what are you doing? If Bain gets enveloped a little bit, you can move him inside. Like Brandon Graham moved inside when I was in Philly and didn't have to. It just helped with the combination of players we had. And he could play

up and down the line. So if Bain has that positional flexibility, I do think it adds value for him. So I was curious because I wanted you to elaborate a little bit more on that, because on the third rusher thing because I was talking to a mutual friend of ours and we were going through comparing D lines. And he's like, yeah, everybody

makes a mistake and they're like, R4 versus your four. It's like, no, no, no, it's our eight. It's our eight versus your four. Our second four is why we're winning. We're good. Our four, there's a lot of teams that have four. Yeah. We've got eight. Yeah. And I just feel like the smart teams in a draft like this with a bunch of edge rushers, people are going to go, ah, they're not taking an edge rusher. Actually, they are. The last two two Super Bowl winners were freaking one with depth. I also think this, and it rarely happened when I played end in the league, but there would be a couple teams that would rotate tackles. It's very rare. But when you get a different look in pass pro, it really throws you off within the span of a game

because as a rusher, you're waiting for clean pass rush opportunities. You only get, you know, team might throw the ball 30 times, but how many of those are clean dropbacks? Not quick game, not RPO's, not boots, not play action. There might be 10. There might be 8 to 10. So if all of a sudden, like, it's five minutes between, you know, rep one and rep two and all of a sudden, now rep two is a different guy with a different set. Now you project that on to how an offense lineman feels about, you know, you've got two guys that have two different skill sets, maybe a thunder and lightning type thing, maybe a guy who likes to go one-arm bowl, you know, maybe a guy that's just straight side, you know, side scissors, swipe on the edge.

Like, they're different styles, and that can really make an offensive tackles headspin within a game, not to mention the fresh factor, which kind of changed in the early 2010s. I remember when that came on and it was like a tough adjustment for guys like me who was like, hey, I want to play 70 plays. there's only a couple left. Like Max Crosby's like a dinosaur in that, right? And obviously we covered that a lot with that trade going up in smoke

and his kind of rep count through the first six years of his career, whatever it was. So it's an interesting deal. I share a lot of the same worries with Reese, but he's an incredible athlete. And the way he was described by James Laronitis, his linebacker coach was like, dude, he's just the biggest freak on the planet.

So I've kind of been watching him a little bit. Speaking of dinosaurs in college football getting so much older, a guy like Mesodore, who's at the top of that second tier of edge guys, but just turned 25 years old, are there some teams saying we don't care about what he looks like in 10 years? We care about what he looks like right now. Yeah, I was looking at the other day. He was just speaking of Tully. He's two years older than Tully.

Tully's like eligible for an extension with the Chargers, and he's two years younger than Mezedor. Like that's crazy. But everybody always, it comes up in the conversation, but I haven't had one GM tell me, but like, so we pushed him down. Like, the contract, there was like the second contract, the second contract. I'm like, you know what the contract teams are worried about their own? Like, this guy gives me, this guy gives me five good years on the first contract. That's a great pick, man. We'll take that at this point in time.

So I don't think they're as concerned about it as maybe 10, 15 years ago, it was, it was more of a factor. Look, if I've got the same grade on a point, player and one's 20 and one's 25. I'm taking a 20 year old, obviously. But it's not going to, you're not going to take a lesser player because he's younger. You're just not. So it, you got to do it individually with each player. But I haven't heard it as like, oh, I wouldn't touch that guy. He's too old. You know, I'm not taking him in the first round. But Mesdor, by the way, is the, I go through all these teams. He's everybody's fallback guy. Yeah. Everybody always goes, well, if we get wiped out, we'll take Mesodore. He's a high floor guy. That's exactly. So it's

like okay we can't get out we can't trade out we're stuck we'll just take we'll take mezzior he'll be fine i mean shit he's he's got you know he's 25 years old he's like a pro right now and that you know like juxtapose to falk he's a guy we talked about in aub that's a that's a great comp between those two guys i don't love his tape there's it leaves something to be desired but when i see that big s ob walking around on the field and know he's 20 years old it's more of a like how closer you to your ceiling i don't think it's like uh hey this guy's too old right like he's he just might be a little bit more maxed out, Mezzador. And so I want to turn the conversation a little bit away from D-Line

because I can get addicted to this and kind of stay on it for 20 minutes. By the way, I had Mezador three spots over full, so they're really close. And they're pulling up for the reasons you just mentioned. Wow. Hey, watch out that UCF kid. I don't want to go too far into the... Oh, dude, I got to do my mock draft. You want a little sneak peek?

Yeah. I'm flirting. I just need some courage. I need a text from your new cell phone number that you just gave me. I need you to send me a text and encourage me. I'm this close to put him at 20 to the Cowboys. Put him up high, dude, because I'm just telling you, if you're looking for upside, he has as much upside as any rusher in the draft.

I'm not saying his fucking tape's great, like top to bottom. But when you look at him in space finishing, the running people down on the line of scrimmage, which is a bigger deal than people make it as a guy wasn't that fast on the back side. That's a big deal. There's a lot of cleanup plays out there. But the top of the rush, the hoop for him. I like him. I like him. 20 to the Cowboys. Take it to the bank, dude. Take it to the bank. If the Eagles, if the Eagles go O-line, does that tell you something about their state of mind right now? You know, because O-line to me, although it wasn't great last year, I think edge rusher and safety is a little

bit more emergent in the first round, but maybe you think differently. Like, if they pick in the, in the first round, they do successor plan for Lane or for Landon or whoever it is. Does that say something about who you think, they think they are this year, if that makes sense? I think they, I get the feeling that it's offense and offensive line. They've drafted so much defense over the last few years. Their defense is stacked with all these guys. First of all, all those guys are going to kind of be coming up, so you're going to end up paying, you know, a bunch of those dudes. But they've given Vic, I mean, so much.

And then now you look on the offensive line, Lane's older, Dickerson's health. I think it's a howy thing to do to get a year ahead of it. And then if one of those guys is not available at times next year, you play this dude. And then, but really, this is about next year. I mean, it's like with Jehad Campbell last year. He's a great player. He's going to be a really good player.

He's going to be a great player, but they didn't need him last year. But it was like, that's why the Eagles have been so successful. They're projecting out of where the pockets are, and they're filling them before they even pop up. And N'Cobie Dean gets paid and goes to the Raiders, and it doesn't even matter because this dude's going to be awesome. I think Jihad will be better. Yeah, he's got more in his body. Yeah. And anyway, yeah, I don't want to go too deep into the N'Cobie Dean analysis.

but I just, I think, I think Jihad, the same thing. I'm watching him play last year. I'm like, this gets really good. Why didn't he on the field yet? It's just kind of like, it's just kind of the deal. They think a year ahead. And maybe that is what they do up front. Is there somebody you like as a fit for them?

I think that they really like Proctor from Alabama, who's big and just super athletic, you know, Freeling matches that timeline. Freeling from Georgia is not ready yet. Like he's got a little bit of a project, but he's a physical freak. He's six, seven. He's, you know, 320 pounds.

He's probably the best overall athlete of all those guys. And so if you believe in, and obviously it's a little different now because Stout's not the O'Line coach, but they believe in how they develop linemen. So if you want to take a guy who has probably the most in his body and you don't need him to like start day one, I could see Monroe Freeling being a good match. And he went to Georgia so he can join all of his teammates. Well, and the other one went to Alabama. I mean, it's six of one, half dozen of the other.

Yeah, no question. sticking to the NFC, and I think this team is an elite NFC team. I think I know they won a lot of close games last year, but I think the Bears are going to be really good. You know, they got work to do offensively, but I know defense is a big deal for them. Like I thought they maximized their talent last year on defense. I didn't think they had a ton of talent up front.

And so edge rusher, we kind of talked about that. But Corner and the little mini-exodus they had in their secondary. could they be a trade-up candidate at 25, and what do you think they target? Well, I mean, I think with edge rusher and corner, they're still going to be staring at some good players where they are if they want to go in that direction. You know, where they, you know,

what their comfort level is with the tackle position going forward. I think they're going to, I think they're okay there. So I don't, I don't really see them trading up. That would surprise me if they did. Somebody would have to implement. But they're another team where I can make a case for Malachi Lawrence, like kind of matching, matching what they do. Plus, they're going to be playing with the lead a lot.

Yeah. So let's just kick this dude out and let them go. No question. And then that staying in that division, the Packers, they, you know, they lost a lot. I think the Packers quietly lost as much as, as anybody. I mean, like, and they don't have their first round picks the next couple years. So you look at, you look at them having their work cut out for them. I know they got some comp picks back.

If you're the Packers' GM, what's your kind of general game plan? What order are you attacking this thing? Well, so they don't have the ones. They're picking 52 and 84. The losses I was just looking at it over. Gary, Inigvare, Quay Walker, Hobbs, Dobbs, Malik Willis, Walker, Elton Jenkins.

They lost a lot of guys. Bring in Hargraves, Zaire Franklin, and St. Juice. I hope they don't do a receiver, man. I think they finally unclogged it. You know, so I kind of like, I'd like to just see, like I was a big fan last year of Golden. They took him in the first round, and there's no balls to go around.

They have 50 receivers out there. So Wicks gets traded now, and then Romeo Dobbs has gone. So I'm hoping that they leave the runway clear for him to see what he can do. On the other side of the ball, I think getting another edge rusher, especially when you got Parsons coming off, That makes a lot of sense for them.

52, 84. I mean, I just think one of those two picks is going to be an edge rusher. Who's Nick Emanwere this year? A second rounder at any position where we're suddenly talking about him pre-Super Bowl. So I'll give you two guys. There's not, I mean, a clear match there with him. Last year, he was my 15th or 16th player. So the similar situation to me is going to be McNeil Warren from Toledo.

He's my 15th player, so the same exact range as Imanwari. He's not as explosive or as twitchy as he is, but he's just, he's six, three and a half, he's rangy, he's got really good ball skills. I think he's a little better in coverage of the Eman Wari. He's a more explosive, dynamic athlete, a little bit better against the run. But I think he's going to fall to the second round, and this will, so if I was going to peg one, that would be one. The other one I would say is trading Stoakes, who's, you know,

I think it's a second rounder who could sneak into one versus McNeill Warren was kind of viewed as a one who's going to fall into two. But those are two guys who were, you know, six, three long, rangy, versatile guys. But this will keep the string alive. Like if McNeill Warren ends up being that guy, we'll go back to Cooper DeGine, following the second round, go to the Super Bowl.

Eamon Wari followed the second round, go to the Super Bowl. You can go back even before that of safeties, like Branch fell to the second round. McKinney fell to the second round. This league pushes a good safety to the second round every year, man. It's just one of those things. What do you think about teams adding wide receivers before you have the quarterback of the future? I don't know if that's like a pet peeve for anybody besides me.

I know that it's worked out in the past. Like nobody knew JSN wasn't going to be catching balls from Gino. And that worked out pretty well this year. But like, you know, I personally think it's like kind of kind of a risk and a little bit out of order. I saw the Browns, you know, tape muck to the Browns and that sort of thing. and I'm all for it. Sometimes you just got to draft the best available, but I don't see a quarterback of the future on that roster.

And so using them as an example, where do you stand on that stuff? I talked to a head coach the other day, and we had this exact discussion. Hearing it from his perspective made a lot of sense to me. So I'm going to see if this helps you. But he said, there's so few. I use the phrase trucks and trailers, right?

There's the very few quarterbacks who are the trucks that can pull the team. Most of the quarterbacks are the trailers getting pulled by the team. Like, they're dependent on what the team's going to. it look like. And he said, so if we all acknowledge that there's only a handful of quarterbacks in this league that are situation-proof and they can make anything work, he's like, then if you're, if the rest of these quarterbacks, whether, like, if you took those other quarterbacks and you ranked them from like 12, like from even like eight to 30, say, who's the best one? Well, the best one's going to be the one with the best team. So we're going to try and build up the entire team to make

it quarterback proof. And then we're going to drop the quarterback in there. So the quarterback has a chance to be successful. So I don't need as much talent at the quarterback position for him to excel versus taking maybe a little more talented quarterback in the process. We don't have the machine built for him. He's got no chance. So that was kind of how he explained it. Besides Baker Mayfield, though, when's the last time the Browns had an upper echelon trailer?

You know? Yeah. No, that was the one. He was a high-end trailer. They sold it on Craigslist. I know. That did not work out well. I mean, that was a good quality trailer.

And so I always say quarterbacks you win with or quarterbacks you win because of, you know, and then there's the win in spite of guys. So it's kind of like that truck and trailer thing. But I think it's an interesting conversation. I'd love to keep Pepper and DJ with questions, but we only have a limited amount of time. And I appreciate him spending some of his with us at the Greenlight Pot. I appreciate you, DJ. Have a great weekend.

No, you guys are great, man. Making good to see you. And I like these conversations because you do like, you know, we all do interviews and stuff. But like I like it when we just have this free-flown ideas kind of going back and forth. That's why this is such a great sport, man. That's why DJ's just a bulletproof guest any time of year. But this time of year is awesome. So thank you for spending some time, dude.

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I promise that we would. answer some of your questions. So here comes mailbag. Thanks everyone for sending them in. First question from Sam in LA. You can tell they're fucking rusty. Yeah, a little rusty, but we'd get there. What are your thoughts on the new uniforms for the commanders, Rams, and Ravens? And did uniforms peak in the 90s? Should the NFL as a whole go back to that era of uniforms? First off, absolutely, uniforms peaked in the 90s before consumers started like driving everything and it was like well what kind of sweatshirt is going to sell the most let's narrow the color palette down a little bit like the blueification like the navification navy vacation of american sports what year do you think that was about

when everything got kind of boring grotto switched over late 90s yeah i think it was yeah i think it was yeah I think it was around the turn of century. Like the Rams changed. The bucks changed. Like, what is pewter? Yeah. Yep. Oh, I've just bought a pewter car, dude.

No way. I was like, what? Puter? Wow. Send it back. But, uh, yeah, she did. She bought a Kia. Key Illigma?

Nope. Real talk. Bought a Kia. This fucking Kia's nice, dude. Fucking Kia. So everybody knows my wife drives a pewter kid, too. But it's nice, though. Kids love it.

A lot of cool features. Which uniform you're looking at first? So I got the Rams up right now. They put out a little hype video. Yeah, a little less hype videos from these teams, a little more like just show us the fucking, show us some good pictures of the uniforms. That's right.

look I don't know what just what I saw what the Rams did it's the same uniform no come on now let me see a picture of the uniform it's moving too fast okay there we go it's excellent what they did it's excellent they removed the gradient okay they removed the name tag which honestly

I didn't hate they made the the shoulder sleeve horns better can you pull up a this is for I can This is old. They're definitely better. Way better. The gradient was bad. Gradient didn't work out.

I still don't love the numbers, but they're a major improvement while looking like the exact same team. Excellent. Here was the name tag. Do we lose bone? Good question. RIP bone? Yeah, they got rid of bone. Oh.

Damn. It's rough. That's too bad. Gone too soon. Well, I think their fans hated it You know, that's crazy Yeah, well, respectfully, who gives a fuck? Yeah, I think you're watching the games anyways

It was a record thing What about the people that like They're just watching, that don't have to watch Rams games? Yeah I may have preferred more bone Boner Anyways I think

I think they fucked up with the bone thing But they do look better They look better Does this mean no midnight? blue? I like the midnight blues. I think that's still there. The midnight blues. Oh, the midnight blues. They wore late. Was that like a rivalry one? I don't know.

I kind of dumped on them and then, oh, I dumped on them and we told Byron Young that we thought they were cheeks. And then I got to L.A. to, you know, see the game or whatever. And they had one made for me. They were like, we heard you think these, they're dog shit. I was like, yeah, they are, but I'll take the jersey. That's fucking cool. It's fucking cool. Yeah, dude, like rip the Band-Aid off go full, you know, throwbacks. This would be like to answer your question, obviously. It's better, but is it like greatest show on turf good?

You often refer to them as the Jack Youngbloods. The Jack Youngbloods. It's not Jack Youngbloods. It's not the Merlin Olsons either. These. Got a lot of feelings here. You do. I do.

No, we're talking about the Ravens. The terrific... I love video video game screen. Improvement of the number font cannot be overstated. I love the iridescent. You familiar with this? Iridescence?

Yeah, it's like... It's not a color. It's like the outline of the number. It looks great. Yeah, I do think it looks good. I don't like the collar. I don't like the feathers around the collar. A for effort, I guess,

trying something new. Understand the state crest is like a part of the deal, but like it doesn't have to be. Amen. You could just, you don't have to do it. And also, I understand we're looking at one graphic here. Do we have to see like all the alternates

that they're going to wear? It's overwhelming. It's really fucking overwhelming, dude. While we're here, why don't we rank them? Go up, go up real quick. What's your, What's your favorite combo? Literally 14.

If you play for the fucking Ravens, what's your favorite combo? All blacks, right? Nah, dude, because that helmet is weird. That's a matte helmet, my man. Yeah. It's got red eyes on the... Pimp, I kind of like this.

Black, purple, white, get up. I kind of like purple pants. Like a lot. Like purple pants. With high white socks, purple pants, purple helmet. I reckon it is. Yeah. Anyways, yeah, it's cool.

Improvement. Improvement. Improvement. Yeah, collar. The collar. This is... This is commanders. On to the commander.

Okay, the commanders. So this is their primary. It's really about the alternate logo that I'm excited about. What? Yeah, the one with the spear through the fucking W? Okay. All right. Okay.

All right. What I'm really excited about is the Super Bowl era Unis. That's an A plus. That's an A. I mean, the all blacks look incredible. That's the all blacks. I haven't seen these. This is fantastic.

Can I say something? This is the best all black uniform in major football. I don't know. Who's got a better all black get up? NFL? Definitely not. Nobody in the NFL. I'm sorry.

Eagles. Love the Eagles. Love the uniforms. All black is sick. but this is like, this is elite. May I say something seriously? Yeah. What is the spear?

What does the spear connote? So the spear is a nod to the obvious... The early commanders? The early commanders, dude. All right. You hear what I'm saying a little bit? No, I hear you. I hear you.

But it's a part of the deal. I think they should have changed their name to like the Braves or something and been more respectful about it. I'm just saying we're doing the thing again. We're not doing the thing. I think they're claiming it's like a gladiator type. They don't have to claim it's gladiator, dude. The Kansas City Chiefs, here's what the Chiefs cannot do.

This whole thing. Don't do this whole thing. The Chiefs is a cool fucking name for a team. It's a cool mascot. Cool thing to call your bro, too, Chief. Yeah, Chief. Yeah. Am I on an island like not liking, you know, or liking the nod?

I don't know. It's not a nod. I don't think of it as a nod. I just think of like. Sounds like you kind of think of it as a nod. I do. I mean, Florida State. Yeah, dude.

We sit there all the time. It's a cool helmet. We sit there all the time. Seminoles. The whole thing, bro. I'm just saying we took it apart. We broke it down for this particular. The name of the team was the Redskins.

And so do you know what the spear makes me think of, Chris? The Redskins. Well, maybe it should make you. think of Native American culture. Okay. It makes me think of the caricature. It doesn't make me think of it. I promise you it doesn't.

Okay. I promise you it doesn't. I just think it looks dope. Does it bother you? Guessing the answer is no. That it's not possible for the spear to go through the W like that. The answer is, fuck no,

it doesn't bother me. Guess what it does to me? Bothers me. It bothers you too back there? Yeah. Really? Yeah, it was the first. I mean,

I immediately went into a full. spiral being like because there's such an easy way to fix it too well you don't need it number one this uniform is great take the w off yeah yeah that's that's that's what i thought we were getting take the w i you okay okay i was thinking for all uniforms their main helmets we're going to be burghed so let me ask you something are am i total boomer mode on this thing like just being okay with a spear like people will love this okay yeah yeah because i'm like you know this will be the logo next year the official one and by the way dude dudes will go out of their way to be like to call this team the redskins like and i'm like oh cool protest bro like you know like okay but that was the right thing to do

was to change the name in my opinion and i'm okay with it i'm fine with it i'm not one of these people that was like oh don't change the name like right you know um raise hail i do think you know what that makes me think of raise dale redskins okay i do think the spirit is cool i i you know it's not not cool. Yeah, but you're thinking about the Redskins. I'm thinking about it. Yeah. I'm thinking about it. Maybe it's OCD. The highlight for me is, if you're having an OCD thing. The primary unis look great. They look awesome. That's what they should look like. That's what they should look like, but I have a hot take. Like the W is not dope without the spear. I don't like the W. I'm with you there. Better W. Fix your W. The W with two colors in the

fucking in the black uniform looks a lot better than the W there on that otherwise beautiful uniform. A lot of fans were calling for a white outline. They said that would fix. The W does need white. Why is it got to be white? Or black outline. No. Why is it got to be the outline?

Why can it be the main color? See? The other thing with this picture and dare I question Jaden Daniel's swag, with the black T with the, like run that back? Yeah, that's tough. And I don't mean that in a good way. Yeah. Good observation.

It's an improvement. Teams are starting to understand, like, you know, we can't just throw the same bullshit out there. Do you know what I'm really struggling with? What? Is those Titans joints, which from 30,000 feet look good? Roll them. I really don't like the guitar strings on the sleeve. Yeah, dude.

Like, we get it. Try harder. It's like the, it's like the Ravens thing. I mean, again. When you try to, and we also, on the side of the helmet,

there's a small drunk woman to a nod to the Bachelorette parties. It's like, what the fuck, dude? Like, we get it. We know where the team's from. They're so close right there. I can't get over the strings. By the way.

That's very Dallas renegade similar. Yeah, and the face mask is wrong color. Yeah, it's, it's a, they recognize the problem, but they don't have the right solution. I actually like those black uniforms, dude. I challenge you guys and the people listening and watching. We got a couple of, so the Panthers. No way, Jose.

We got the Eagles. No way, Jose. We got the Lions. The Cardinals are a couple. I think the, no, the Eagles are number two. A lot of people liked the new. Ravens ones, but I like the, I think the old Ravens, all black blacks were pretty fucking good, but they don't have many more.

I'm going to tell you who's all black getups don't work that well is the Saints. They need to, they need to, up the Annie a little bit on that thing. I'll just say, I'm just saying, somebody, y'all let me know what's better than what I just saw, because what I just saw is great. from John in New York. He's been a fan of the podcast a long time. He was recently, well, I'll read it. Well, my mind was recently blown when I took a vacation and the hotel had a Japanese

toilet. It had an automated seat lift, heated seat, and a built-in bidet. Felt like a clean. I've never felt cleaner. I felt like a king. I've never felt cleaner. Should I bite the bullet, renovate my bathroom, and get a Japanese toilet at home? You know, it's funny.

the reason I said let's answer this question is because I came home recently and my fucking toilet was disassembled and I had to take a shit and I said what the fuck is going on in here and my wife said

oh I'm sorry we're putting together our bidet damn right and we have talked about this on this show before and you're a big bidet guy read Love badees. I don't remember where you landed on that thing making. I have never experienced a bidet. Biday's been in my house for a week.

I have never experienced a badegh either. It's like a silent protest. I'm not doing it. It makes noises. It's kind of like unsettling. You sit down to kind of get down to business and it's like making little noises like it senses you and shit. Say you swear. I swear, dude.

one squirt it's like I have not I have not done it dude and my wife keeps asked me how is it how is it and I'm like I'm sorry I didn't splash any water on my but hole I'm just not guys it'll change your life I got dude wipes for a reason how she saying how it is I really didn't I didn't even want to give her the satisfaction of asking you know asking asking exactly exactly dude I just remember you talking about it and raving about it and I'm just not, you know. You will, you do it once and you'll be like, man, those dude wipes are so cavemen-esque. So, so what about my wet butthole?

Dude, you think wet, it does not get that wet. And then you, how do you dry your ass? You use like one. You dry your ass with a towel, but you didn't just get done shitting in the shower, dude. I guess the problem is I just don't. You know, like, you think, you think your ass is going to be like I'm sitting on a fire hose. Yeah, no, it's not. Like, I can hear it.

It's like, what is it? Why is it warming up? Like, why does it need to warm up when I sit down like start? Now, I do like the heated seat thing. But, but why does it need that when I sit down, it goes, it's getting pictures, dude. Yeah, dude, it might be fucking taking pictures. Taking pictures. That's film developing.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, dude. You said this from Japan, huh? Yeah, a bunch of people in Japan. You got it. There's Van Morrison going on. There's a brown-eyed girl going on. You know?

Taking a peek at, you know? So I don't want to do it. And I don't think I'm going to. You really should. I'm like just one try and then you'll be like, oh, that's how I do that. That's how, wow, that's way better. What if I don't like it? it well then you can say hey

i tried it might be repressing some things that it could be traumatic i just you know it just doesn't interest me doesn't interest me fair and this isn't some homophobia thing dude i actually picture of a day being a chick it's like a huh

i'm serious dude because i i kind of feel like it's gonna get ready to like talk to me one day you know what i mean like it's doing so much stuff down there it's like a fucking robot it's like hello do you know what why aren't you using me in like morgan freeman's voice you know i picture bidet being a dude you do yeah well i was covering my ass on that one so but um yeah i picture i know i picture it being like um like syri oh no

you i see a dude we had a half marathon in Beijing videos just wanted to show you how much of humans racing against robots Have you seen this footage? You've seen this footage making? No. Why? Look at this shit. Because this is just Asia showing off, dude.

This is China just showing off. They're like, you guys are struggling with a lot over there. China's just, China's like, why not, dude? Why not? That's crazy. Look at this fucking thing, dude. Dude. Getting out there, dude. The people holding up their phones.

Tyreek Hill out there, bro. Holding up their robots to record a robot. This one's a little bit slower. Those aren't that arm movement, though. Yeah, dude. There's some incredible footage of this stuff. Why do we care about this at all? Because eventually when you, when you jaywalk or say something bad about the president,

one of these fucking things is going to be chasing you with a total recall gun, dude. Okay. that's why it matters like if they just like this one's funny I think this is AI dude look at the way this thing that's AI dude

you know it's also pretty it's it's it's pretty dystopian that we're watching this and it could be real and at the same time it might not be real well it's not real

well I understand that but what I'm saying is that that could be an AI video and we're having to contend with like is that a real robot running a marathon half marathon it was a half marathon okay well talk to me when you guys did a full 26 dude you guys can't do a full 26 right I mean if if we're on the chopping block here we need to be accurate there was a they don't have it in them to do a 26.2 You just, you can't even

affix the sticker on the back of there, Kia Sorrento. Dude, I mean, Pewter. Unbelievable. Yeah.

Unbelievable that we're looking at this right now. And if they stopped at marathons, it'd be okay. But they're not going to stop at marathons. And I've been saying

this for years now. You know what I heard in our lifetimes for fairly common surgeries? They're going to be robots performing the surgeries. There's

to be an assembly line of patients who have been prepped for surgery and the robots just knock out the surgery it's kind of what we're doing now robots are doing a lot i have a friend that uh works in in that business um was you know not orthopedic but like a spine surgery thing robots are doing a lot yeah humans are just kind of here right now to babysit the robots how terrified would you be of going into surgery with a robot as your surgeon would you be terrified or would you be feel like you're in good hands. Oh, yeah, I guess I'd be scared. Yeah.

Once you splash water on my butthole, I'll just, you could just open up my C spine, dude, no problem. No problem. We've already crossed that threshold. This is from Henrock on Instagram. Will the birds trade anyone else in alluding to the potential? I don't know that they'll trade anybody else, but here's somebody I want them to trade for.

You know who I'm going to say? And I actually, we talked about it, I think, in the show. And I'm not the only person that said it. Jonathan Grenard. I saw Mina Kimes talking about that today. And there were rumors a couple weeks ago about, you know, a Grenard trade. And I think it would be the right thing to do. I think Grinard's a good player, dude.

He's fun to watch. People would love his style of playing in Philly. Make it happen, Howie. And he had a, I know his sack numbers were lower past season, but he still had a 23, 25% pressure rate. Dude, he's up there. That's the thing about him. He gets pressure. He's going to get, he's not going to die on a lot of rushes.

He's not going to just get blocked. Need more of that. So anyways, from. He gets a run too. Yeah, all-round player. You know, he can handle Fangio scheme. You know, he just went through the whole B-flow thing. He's, he's a ball player.

So good guy too. This is from Ryan Murwede. Should Aaron Rogers come back and play? Yeah. For the Steelers? Yeah, dude. Yeah? I think so.

We talked about it with our guest on Thursday. I forgot to ask Daniel Jeremiah about that, dude. Daniel Jeremiah. I should have asked them. No. Okay. But here's the deal, dude. What was the question?

should Aaron Rogers play? Fuck yeah, you should play, dude. The guy's throwing seeds out there. He just can't move, but he's throwing fucking seeds. And the Steelers could be good. And McCarthy is coaching the Steelers.

Now, the problem is Aaron Rogers is not going to tell them anything by the draft. And so they're going to draft the quarterback at some point. And then he might get mad. Of course he's going to get mad.

He's probably doing this so that he can get mad. Yeah, exactly. They don't trust me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I want him to play, I want him to play for the Steelers next year. Right now, if he doesn't come back,

they've got Mason Rudolph and Will Howard in their QB room. Yikes. Obama, I'm in fear for my life from a government inside job. Achilles put an end to my running being chased by a woke mob. Boom, boom, boom.

Obama, I can hear planes are flying. I saw the towers fall. Hangman is coming down from the gallows and he works for the cabal. Wow! The jab is up, fake news is out, they finally found me. whoever I said did Pizza Gate Epstein I'm not counting

CDC should go away I saw some camp trails today third most wanted man One day I'll actually use that on this show All season that have been alluded to him so glad I wrote that last year The Light a day? No no It had been highly alluded to It might be too it might be too good dude then I'm gonna

Here's the problem then weirdo yankovish is going to hit me up he's going to be like dude like you're a prodigy like we got we got to cut an album and i'm like fuck and then like roger's going to be like that was kind of tight i have to go on pat show i mean that wasn't a political statement no it just you know put it in the show put it in okay put it in the show All right, I'll put it in the show. And I'm not implying that he said something about 9-11. I don't even remember what he said.

He did, but I don't remember what it was. I just, you know, what did he say about 9-11? No, we're good. We're good. We're good. Just fire that fucking pig skin. Well performed, too. I do, I do really want Rogers to come back.

I do fucking guys unbelievable I mean you guys don't like him so much anymore I can tell you don't want him to come back you don't think he's good anymore I want him to come back

hey man give Will Howard a shot you know no don't give Will Howard a shot give it to Rogers give Will Howard a shot then you get a quarterback next year yeah fuck will Howard sit there like what the fuck

what did I do to anybody to be fair i've never seen him play yeah right okay Jimmy G's allegedly retiring maybe you know the Steelies can talk him into heading up north and he can back up will Howard no Jimmy G too many Italian women in Pittsburgh

he'd be just he'd need a police escort home every night he'd let that man go fuck chicks and peace and peace dude he's like I'm too good looking for the NFL dude this shit's talk about a hot piece of ass I thought that's what we were saying no I didn't think yeah yeah jiv jicks love jibb jit's it's fucking honestly disgusting honestly disgusting when my wife was like what's jimmy j like i was like yeah he's he's a murderer yeah all the bad things yeah he uh

does crimes does yeah evidently just started beating up his own mom one day terrible i think i saw him on that chris hanson show terrible guy that's what sucks so he's a good guy dude he's like a fucking good guy dude jimmy jes the man saw him when i got that when i when i um when i went to LA to see the Ramsey shook my hand and I was like man I better watch this fucking hand dude I was out there hooking up dedicate this show to Jimmy G what's the G stand for good dick okay