Green Light with Chris Long - Andrew Whitworth! On Playing In The NFL At 40! 2021 Rams. Stephen Schoch! On Going Viral At CWS. 'Necessary Roughness' Movie Review.

Episode Date: June 29, 2021

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And so this year, to me, it feels like this is it. I mean, this is like I put everything in to trying to play this season and play the level I want to. And I feel like this will probably be the end. But, I mean, also all my closest friends would tell you that I've said that for about seven straight years. So I don't know how believable it is, but it feels like it is. A few different things coming down the pipe today. Fiscal year ending. Yeah, of course.

30th. So it's over. Can you believe it? Yeah, it was a good one. Andrew Whitworth is going to be joining us. Massive tackle for the Rams, formerly of the Bengals. You know who he is.

One of the best of our generation. And when it comes longevity, he's pretty good there too. I mean, he's going to be 40 this year. So we'll ask him about like what it takes to play that long matchups. We'll talk a little shop, O-line-D-line shop.

We did. We get a little two in the weeds there for your liking? No, no, no. As a lay person, I was entertained. You know, I, uh, I like to learn about the handwork, especially. I'm a big handwork guy, you know, use your hands. I know, I can see that.

Yeah. Callist. Yeah, yeah. Because I don't have a lot of speed. Yeah, yeah. So I need to. You got to use your hands. When I, when I do rip curls.

Yeah, rip curls. And then I, and then I like to, I like to do a lot of outside spin. Outside spin. You don't see as much. You don't see as much. I don't give away the whole interview here. Okay. Okay, okay.

Okay, but Andrew Whitworth is going to be joining us. I love that dude, good dude. Also, he never takes credit for the work he does off the field. Like, he does a lot of great work off the field. So follow, like, his foundation, run him down on that stuff because he won't tell you he's pretty awesome. Also, Stephen Shock. Big donkey.

Who you know as Big Donkey. You know as the guy who has invoked Kenny Powers comparisons in a Virginia uniform of all uniforms this spring. and Virginia exited the tournament last week, and we kind of had a pot on the books with this cat. We've already done that. It was a lot of fun. There was one revelation for me that that was a game changer.

Sensational. You know the backstory of how we first met. I mean, the backstory, as far as you're concerned, thus far, well, you haven't been told. But when I first reached out to this electric college baseball player, who I only knew through my TV screen, and asked him to be on the pod, you know, figuring Virginia guy

I'd probably be able to snag him. He DMs me back a picture of us hanging out together before at some juncture and said, are we going to do shots again when we hang out? Well, obviously not because we had him on Zoom here. He got out of town as quick as possible, and I don't blame him to get a little calm after the storm.

But I thought because of a thing that we met in Amsterdam, it was an Amsterdam. So spoil her alert. you're going to hear where we actually met and it's much different than Amsterdam. There was a wardrobe thing that led me to believe I was in Amsterdam. It's an amazing story.

It's an amazing story. Stick around. It's even better than the initial story in a lot of ways. Oh, I got my necessary roughness review with Coach Wookie. Coach Wookie is going to come in and join us for Steven Schock, UVA baseball alum thing and then we're going to coast into a necessary roughness review

and then get you out of here. Pack show, we'll try to move through it as quickly as we can. because Lord knows I want to go home. But a little teaser, necessary roughness, exactly what I thought it should be and would be.

Review coming later. Ogden, Utah. Hello. A lot of ingenuity going on in Ogden, Utah. Quick wiki search would yield that the founder of Chucky Cheese is from Ogden, of all places.

And the inventor of the catalytic converter. Wow. The Lord knows where we'd be without that catalytic converter. No, my cousin Vinnie, without that catalytic converter. Nice Paul. Thanks.

Jeez. How'd you come about Ogden? Just how you do everything else? Yeah. Well, do you want to peek behind the curtain? Yeah, I'd love to peek behind the curtain. Okay. I look at a Google image search, U.S. states.

And so then I get a map of the U.S. and I just survey the states. And I sometimes try to think about where we've been recently, and I try to go somewhere else. You want to be fair. Yeah, I want to be fair. Fair as fuck. And so then I see Utah last night.

And then I go, Utah cities by Pocker. And I don't want to go with your Salt Lake City. No, that's so chalky. Shooting fish in a barrel. It's salty, if anything. That's chalky, it's salty. That's right. And so scroll down the list and then I just wait for something to pop at me.

If nothing pops, then I will go on to another state at times. At times I'll take some listener suggestions. This is like when somebody's like, hey, do you want to know a little bit more about the menu? And then they tell you all about the menu. And I'm like, no, I'm good with just the meal. Yeah. have the burger. But it is good to know that there is some fairness involved in how you're picking.

Oh, yeah, yeah. I like that little peek behind the curtain make. Yeah, Ogden, Utah. Hello. If you're a traveler flying into Salt Lake City and then plan to drive up to Jackson Hole, Wyoming, you will pass through Ogden, Utah. I highly recommend continuing on to Jackson Hole via Logan and then Garden City. There's Bear Lake State Park.

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Almanac He's been all the places That they shot the Tiva And Patagonia commercials And then you'll go into Alpine Wyoming Which has I know Jackson has cool

Antler Arches No he knows all this stuff But Alpine Much bigger Antler arches What about powder? Oh, a lot of powder.

Fresh pow-pow. Yeah, you hit it any time between December to April, late April, early May. I can't get over that Blackberry Raspberry crossover. That's like a... It's exotic. It's like Oreo and cookies and cream. People love blackberries, but you know what you can only get up in Montana where I'm going to be soon?

Well, not only. I suppose you could get it maybe somewhere else. Huckleberries. Oh. Yeah, huckleberries are delicious. I didn't even know they were a thing if I can be. honest with you. Dark Horse Barry. Definite Dark Horse Barry.

Layup line today. Relaxation. Facing. Mind-bargling hallucinations. Easy does it to the skull. Get your lungs for. Take a hit by Mac 10. Okay, so I watched the tail end of Friday the other night on TV. It's on TV a lot. Yeah, it's on TV a lot, as it should be. And found myself glued to the TV just like I was the last time I watched it. But what I always do is I go back through the Friday sound.

which is a sensational soundtrack, especially when you're a kid and you see Friday and then you go get the CD because you like the movie and it's got a roach on it. You don't really know what's going on on the cover of the CD, but it's a yellow CD and you get the track listings there. There are some sensational songs on that CD, on that album. It's going to be forever a CD for me.

You can't even stream the whole thing like Spotify. Keep their heads ringing. You got Cypress Hill. You got Mary Jane, which is a great, great song that if you're a kid that first sees Friday and you don't know what Mary Jane is, you just think it's a really cool, melodic, old school,

deep cut. In reality, it's dubies. It's about dubies. Hoochie Mama, and I want to get next to you. I mean, I want to get next to you as a classic, and I might have heard it for the first time on the Friday soundtrack.

So, big shout out to Chris Tucker and Ice Cube, who evidently, you'd probably be able to smoke under the table. I don't think the weed, again, was very good at that juncture in U.S. history. So I don't think Chris Tucker really had it like that. He was trying to quit. And then Ice Cube had never smoked.

You forget that. He smoked for the first time in the movie in his life. And he looked to be about 30 in the movie. I mean, just like we just, we went through this with Remember the Titans last week. Unrealistic casting of appropriately aged actors. Ice Cube was pretty old to be taking his first hit. Good, Bad, Ugly. I'm going to hit you with a one, two, good bad.

All right? Good. Inspired by you. Maybe you can take a producer credit on this. I located the weight bench in my garage and then through some miracle, I located the bolts. The bolts were just sitting right next to it in a Ziploc bag. I inherited this weight bench from my Uncle Bill and I put together. Like in a will? The wait. No, not, no, living Uncle Bill. Said, hey, I have no more use for this. Uncle Bill just doesn't, prior to prioritize pecks anymore. Oh, no, well, maybe that's true. Well-built cat, that Uncle Bill. Maybe he was moving up in the weight classes. So I get this weight bench and your lovely wife use this weight bench once in a time in my basement.

So I move houses. I put it together this weekend, big win because, you know, we're making gains one way or another. So bang, huge, good, awesome. My garage now has a weight bench. I'm mad. Elbow bursitis, I think is what I would call it. I put a five on each side so that brought us up to 55 pounds. Yeah. And I was just cranking them, just crank them because you don't want to go straight to the 225.

No, you don't. You want to build up if you haven't done a bench press in a long time. And I would think that would be absolutely imperative for you. Right. So I'm just cranking 55s. Long story short, eventually I get up to 95. I got 25 on each side. Wake up this morning, elbows barking, barking real bad.

Yeah. Yeah. So I'm on WebMD with the elbow bursitis. You know, it might be some rest. What does it say? What is it say? What is it say? It says basically really painful, worse than any sort of like thumb fusion or ankle

surgery or anything like that ever. It says here, boy, if you also have a torn laborer, you deserve some sort of award for trying to power through it. I know, but just not from your workplace. Yeah. If so, redacted Realty. If you're looking for some like workers comp or to get over on somebody, we have really good lawyers here. Yeah.

Okay. Great. Between the point of the elbow and the skin, there's a thin sack of fluid known as a bursa. The burs a sack. Yeah. Bursas are located in your joints and cushion your bones, muscles, and tendons. It's not a good feeling. I'll give you that. Yeah.

When you extend your arm, it feels like somebody's stabbing you in the elbow sometimes. Right. So, kudos to you. Moral of the story, maybe just stick with the bar for a while once you set up your weight bench. I got some good and some bad. Please.

Good, my family left for four days. The bad, my family left for four days. I really miss those people. A strange thing happens when your family leaves. Namely, when your wife leaves, your lovely wife leaves. You have to find out what to eat on your own. Oh, yeah.

All those nights of, come on, it's so simple. like make a decision well you're looking at yourself in the mirror like make a decision and usually it's not till after grubhub is closed you definitely can't cook for yourself so that the interesting combinations of food that you fix for yourself

never cease to amaze you if you're home alone I mean I stared at the freezer for five minutes you miss your kids and then you just start eating their fucking food I mean that's kind of the way it goes yeah goldfish and that sort of thing I'm staring down the chicken tendons I was so hungry, I was looking to eat some cauliflower pizza,

and I realized it was just the crust. You had to actually make the pizza, and there's no way I was going to make the pizza. I considered just making the crust for dinner. And? Didn't. Found a burrito, frozen burrito. Man, that was one of the most brilliant discoveries I've ever made.

I could have starved to death this weekend. I mean, I could have ended up with my arm in the freezer, like a hundred and twenty-seven-hour situation. Like, nobody would have cared. Nobody would have called. They would have found me on Monday. It's dangerous when your family leaves. the house. The dog by, you know, some act of God is alive and well. I actually had to write a note on the

refrigerator water for the dog. I'm glad you did that. Okay, I have a water charity and I had to remind myself to give my man's best friend water. So yeah, you feel helpless when your family leaves. It's the ultimate good news, bad news. The good news is on the front end. You're like, oh, it's going to be so great. I'm going to do what I want to do. But then by the third day, realize that you're just a blob. Did you do anything fun? Yeah, I hit the river. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

And you had a good time? Oh, I had a great time. Are you hitting the river too much? No, there's no such thing, because come fall, you can't really hit the river as much in the capacity that I hit it. And you're on water in Montana, but not so much a river situation. It's not moving like the James River. It's not like a cradle that's just rocking you into a state of absolute bliss.

I mean, it's just come by some time. Float the river with me. Yeah, I mean, I've done it before and... You've done it. Oh, yeah. Really? Oh, yeah. So your reviews aren't just coming from being a closed-minded guy.

No. Hey, I'll hit you with another good bad. I went to the pool this weekend. I can't stand pools. The yelling, the screaming, the splashing. It's all just gross. The peeing, the pooping, all of it. Code Brown.

of it for me. One time I was on vacation on the balcony, nice resort. They legitimately were on the walkie-talkies talking about a code brown. I was like, surely that can't mean somebody shit in the pool. Yeah, the thing just floated into my line of sight, cleared the whole pool out. Code Brown. Do you get in the pool? No. Well, I think I will. Are you a long-sleeved t-shirt in the pool guy? Well, here's a thing. Yeah, talk about that. You know, impetus for putting the weight bench together might be hitting the pool and saying, hey. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. You know, I'm not bottom of the barrel here, but I'm not at the top of the totem pole either, you know?

Well, usually you'd reverse that and say, I'm not top of the totem pole, you want to put the emphasis on the... Hey, so I'm at the pool. I'm not top of the totem pole, you know? Yeah, I'm not bottom either. Yeah, see, reps, just like on the bench. You just reps with that line.

But, you know, my shoulders look like I'm a 12-year-old boy. And I'm a... A lot of teenagers running around that pool. 30-something-year-old boy. run around that pool. You want to get something to eat? Yeah, sure. And you see like a couple craft singles barely melted on two pieces of white bread.

I just don't like the pool scene. I'm not a pool person. That's all they have at the pool you're going to? Yeah. Here's a grilled cheese. What kind of pool are you going to? Cheeks? Cheeks pool.

But apparently my five-month-old, just rave reviews. Well, that's another thing about the pool. Yeah, because the baby loves to swim, right? Yeah. Oh, baby loves to swim. Yep, when she learns to talk in about 18 months, she's going to tell you all about this trip that we had to make to the pool, just so the baby could see the pool.

Right. Baby's shitting in the baby's pants. Like, I know because I take the diapers out sometimes from the trash because I'm a good Samaritan, but like, baby's not concerned with the pool. One big good thing this week, uh, some people had tweeted at us about like maybe breaking down the new helmet allotment in the NFL, the throwback news that dropped in 2022.

teams are going to allow throwback helmets, alternate helmets with throwback uniforms, am I butchering this? Now, you're doing a good job. If teams are wearing throwback unis, they can now wear throwback helmets. The reason why you couldn't there for a while was because the NFL always concerned about player safety, was worried that if you throw on a second lid, it might not fit right. You might not have practiced in it enough. So now we have a nice, long runway for everybody to be able to practice in their alt helmets. and there are several that stand out as no-brainers if teams are going to go back. Total no-brainers.

I think there's some of these that fall into the category of, like, this is not necessary, but still great. Like the O.J. Simpsons, we were talking before. We were like, how can we put that in a better way? Is anybody else on that team besides O.J. Simpson? And no one out there can name a teammate of O.J. Simpson on those Buffalo Bill teams. This is the most expedient way that we can talk about that helmet with the bison, just sitting there, the red bison.

You know the helmet? Because I said the OJ. Simpson's, the guy's walking free. Don't look at me. Okay? Hello, Twitter world. So OJ. Simpson, that would fall under the category of like, yeah, that'd be cool, but it's not necessary.

I don't know. I really like it. I really like it. The cat's just chilling. He's just standing there on his four legs. Yeah, he is. And there's not a lot of movement. I mean, the Jim Kelly's brought in the,

hey, this fellow's moving. Listen, Buffalo's in sports. tend to have very cool uniforms. I mean, look at the hockey team from up there, not the Sabres, the Sabres. The Sabres. Which I get confused with the Predators, because they have a Sabre 2 Tiger.

I mean, it's tough. Fuck, it's Freudian slip or something. But like, yeah, Colorado Buffaloes, pretty cool. Oh, very cool. Buffalo Bills, cool. I mean, keep it going. Bucknell probably has cool uniforms relative to their Sheeks profile.

North Dakota State, Bison. Bison. I mean, it's hard to miss. with the buys. Yeah, I would put that under the category of like, listen, the Rams have been trying to do this thing where they wore the throwback helmet with like the regular,

they played one game against Dallas a few years ago. It's just burned into my brain. I texted my boys. I'm like, what are you all doing? All because the NFL rules, though. They had the white uni you wore with the gold trim around the number sort of things. And then they wore just the white and blue helmet.

Right. It was awful. But yeah, I would love for the Rams. to wear what I think you referred to as, like the Jack Youngbloods. The Merlin Olsons. Forever. When I think about the white and blue,

I think about Merlin Olsons, and then when you get into the LA's, that yellow, yellow, and the blue, I think about, you know, Jack Youngblood, Eric Dickerson. Yeah, those would be killer. And then you could wear the white ones too sometimes. Right. Am I understanding that correctly under this rule?

That's great stuff, dude. That's great stuff. Here's one that has to come back. The Oilers. Correct. You need to do. just be the oilers again. Yes. It doesn't matter. Dude, this Titans thing was cute over the past 20 years.

Like, we like the name, it's cool. The Titans can become your throwback. There's no, like, listen, the Lakers, how many lakes are there in L.A.? Probably a solid amount. Thousands. But not as many as in Minneapolis. Right. Okay, that's why they were up there. How much jazz

is there in Utah? We've talked about this. I just read the demo on Ogden, Utah was 79% white. I mean, white guys are just not pumping out good jazz, okay? New Orleans is where the jazz came from, okay? So same thing with the Nashville Oilers or the Tennessee Oilers. Who cares if there's no oil in Tennessee?

Maybe there is. I think you've got to change the whole get-up and then make your Titans, your throwbacks. That's my opinion. Oilers, no-brainer. Dolphins, which they occasionally will break out no-brainer. Yep. the Pats go back to a red uni with Pat Patriot

on the white helmet. Have they worn the Pat Patriot helmet with that? Yes. That's where it's weird to me. Like how did they get the permission to do that and then the rule had to change so they could do it? Like they were the team that when I saw the mockups

and they had to like mock up you know a Broncos helmet on somebody like the old Durham Bowles style Denver Broncos, the one that they should be wearing or you know the sea hawks Russell Wilson obviously didn't wear the

the Cortez Kennedy's Steve Largent's but they mocked it up I don't think they've even had to mock up Devin McCordy wearing I think I've seen that yeah they they wear that I don't know the answer all I know is that it looks fabulous it looks amazing that should be their

uniform the Patriots new uniforms I know you like them well given the constraints of the NFL Their cheeks. They're an improvement on what was being worn. This is an amazing uniform. Yes. Dave Damashek, parking the car in our garage, ours in his garage.

I mean, Pat Patriot, get rid of the flying Elvis's, go back to Pat Patriot. The Ron Jaworski's for the Philly people listening and be like, you haven't talked about this in a while. Okay? Well, you're pretty high up on the list as far as the city that should enjoy a long way to throwback. I mean, like, people have been talking about the Kelly Green. Kelly Green for years, dude. Like, I can remember even before I was there and I started to notice how much people talked about it. Like, I knew that they should go back to the Kelly Greens.

And I'm seeing the Ron Jaworski's out there. So that's a possibility now. John Elways in Denver, no-brainer. Great. Old Bucks. We haven't mentioned the old bucks. That's a... Old Bucks. That's a no-brainer as well.

The old Red Falcons helmet. I mean, I saw Matt Ryan in one. and I feel like he's worn that before. He has, you're right. So what's going on here? You're right. So what's going on here? You know what I mean?

We get the old Sean Merriman helmets. I actually am a big fan of the Navy Chargers alternate. I think that was a really cool time and a place. If I'm the charge, I'm just like, we're cool. Oh, they're great. They're great. They're the one team that you're like, oh, we've got to wear our alternates.

Right. But still, it's a cool change-up, and you got the Don Correale helmets with the numbers. and the two bolts, you could bust those out. Seahawks mention those, get those going again, man. I feel like we gotta be forgetting something, but as a whole, it's a great thing. No doubt about it.

I'll speak to my squad for a moment. Have the Giants ever worn a cool uniform? I think they kinda have. I think they've been, your grandfathered into having a cool uniform. It's just the variance is not gonna be much. Well, because what we did was, we spelled out,

the word giants, put it in bold, italicized it slightly, and put an underline under it. And I know they won ball games. I mean, there's a Super Bowl with NY. LT had great, great, bold, underline, italicized years. But it's just, I don't know if there's ever been a great uni there. What did you think about the Mavs and the, and the,

awful. And the, yeah, the Mavs coming out. The Bucks and the Hawks. The Bucks and the Hawks. Just a gross display. I call them the Mavs and the Mavs. Yeah, as you should have. Yeah, I mean, yeah, dude, I couldn't even remember who they were.

It was silly. They looked like the fabrics. We call it the No Fun League, but you gotta give it to the NFL for curating these brands. I know, but a lot of young kids are like, this is amazing. We want to see different dog shit alternates every night. Okay, but not in the Eastern Conference finals. No, dude, no. Grow your brand.

Well, Cream City. Hey, we're doing a good job here in the NFL. We're moving in the right direction. when it comes to the uniforms. Hey, speaking of hoops and more good. Hey, we're race norming. We're blackballing players. Ah, have some new uniforms.

Here's a throwback helmet. Let's go further into the past. Yeah, exactly. More good. Your name was on Inside the NBA. Oh, yeah, that's true. By Charles Barkley. He shouted us out.

I was doing a Chris and a podcast yesterday. We talked about when you play that football game, your game playing all we can say, We're going to take away the path. We're going to take away the robbery. Can't do both. How about that? Shout out.

Yeah, I want to say us, though, because it's an us thing. You know, I've been thinking a lot since I called you my sidekick. Oh, no, none taken. Okay, never mind. Yeah. You know, clearly this is going to go the way of the scoffian Pelt show, SVP and Rosillo. Rissillo breaks off, becomes a big star.

We don't hear from SVP again. Right, that's you. Right. So, yeah, well, it'll just be in an arc. You want to do a couple tape measurements before we get to, you know, Andrew Whitworth? I really do. I'm going to go diagonal for the first time. It won't bother me.

How long is that? That looks to be about 2'11s. We are at 33 inches. You went 35 inches. Yeah. So very good again. Pretty good. You're always within a couple inches.

Give me one more, just wild one. Give me like fucking stand up, walk around the room, stretch that bitch out a little bit. Okay, I'll do one of those in a second. Yeah. I want to hear your take on, That. Oh, that?

Yeah. Oh, that? Yeah. Looks to be about two and a quarter inches. Yeah, that's exactly two and a quarter inches. This is weird. This is weird how good you are at this. I know most people can figure out what an inch is.

Yeah. That's real good. Thank you. I appreciate it. I'm not to get off mic. Get off your mic. I'll narrate. He's taking off his headphones.

He's going to see if you can really stump the Schwab here. One time I stump the Schwab. Real talk. I met the Schwab and he was like, oh, fuck, here this kid goes. I started asking him trivia questions. He missed like two or three. There's a whole TV show on that. Macon's holding,

oh man, he's trying to blind me with the studio lights. He's holding what looks to be about, I mean, it's tough, but I'm going to say about four foot nine. I'm just going to go with my gut. What is it? Five foot two.

I was close, okay. A motherfucker because I was going to say five one. 62 inches, would you say? I was kind of say five one. Oh, really? Yeah. I'll give you credit for that. Thank you.

I was close. Hell of a skill set you have. Thank you. I appreciate that. All right. Well, Andrew Whitworth, who has a great. skill set. Any skill set that can have you playing tackle for 20 years in the NFL. He's about to be 40, guys.

He's getting into Mike Gundy range. He's a man. He's 40. So I got 38-year vet Andrew Whitworth with me. My man, like you're the guy who makes me feel like shitty about sitting on the couch. I want you to know that. When I see you on Sunday and you're still doing it at what age now, Big Whit? 39. God. Holy, dude. I'm just like turning 40 on December the 12th. That's incredible.

It's just incredible. And it's not a quarterback. I mean, he's in the trenches. How long do you want to do this, man? You know what? I set a goal in 2013. I had a petal injury and just kind of was getting frustrated with it. And I was like, if I get through this, I was like, I want to try to play to 40.

And that was just kind of like, I didn't think it was realistic or that it ever happened. But I was like, I want to try to do this. that. And so this year to me, it feels like this is it. I mean, this is like I put everything in to trying to play this season and play the level I want to. And I feel like this will probably be the end. But I mean, also all my closest friends would tell you that I've said that for about seven straight years. So I don't know how believable it is, but it feels like it is. I think we can break that news. I think we can break that news. That's perfect. One of the largest, most great offensive tackles of our generation might be hanging up after this year because he's addicted to football.

He might not be too. He turns 40 right. before week 14 at Arizona Cardinal. So week 13 13 good weeks. That's just incredible though that he's going to be celebrating his 40th birthday in the next day or the day of his 40th birthday he's going to be doing like well you're not going to be doing any drills

you don't have to practice too much do you? Yeah, no it's hey look I came in at the right time right I mean the game's only gotten easier to play as far as all the wear and tear and yeah so I won't be doing much I'll say that way. Well that's cool I mean I think speak to that because I think some people at home

don't understand like the kind of dance that players do are trying to get ready you need your reps but also during the season after a certain age especially bigger guys linemen of that sort of thing like the wear and tear is a lot what's gone into kind of mapping out your career as far as like hey i'm going to be balls to the wall this day during the week i'm going to be half speed this day like has it changed as you've gotten older and have coaches dictated that change yeah i mean honestly when I kind of going back to what I talked about, the Patell injury, when I had that in 13, really in Cincinnati, we kind of came up

with a, hey, you know what, your Pitella's kind of shutting down your quad, you're struggling to keep strength in your leg, and we can't really do anything about it until after the season. So what's a maintenance program we can kind of get on to get it to where you can get to Sundays and play well? And so we started kind of saying, right, look, you know,

maybe it's one day, I'll go balls to the wall, and then the next day, it's like, all right, let's just rehab it, get it feeling good. And then if you feel good enough on Friday, you can kind of get some work in. And so that's kind of how it started. And then I kind of started just trying to study that and learn from it and kind of diving into all the science behind, you know, some of that just going up and down and having those intervals and training and everything. And so that's really what's progressed to is now I try to really say, all right, I don't want to go into a practice or I want to go into work and say, all right, I'm only going to take this many reps today.

I'm only going to be on a pitch count. I want to go in and say, all right, today I'm going everything, full speed, as hard as I can go. and then tomorrow I'll rest. And then the next day, I'll rev it back up again. And so it's kind of been trying to learn my body and figure out what was best for a big guy. And I think that's the toughest part for people to understand is it's not, it's not really the like, hey, playing in a football game. Like I can play in a football game.

It's all the days going into it. It's like, hey, if you say, all right, for five straight days of my age, we want you to go practice. I mean, by the time I get to Sunday, I'm going to feel so bad that it's like, that's worthless, right? So it's really finding that perfect mechanism of, hey, what's enough to turn it up, feel good about playing, and then also know how to shut it down and get ready and rehabbed and feeling good to play on Sundays, which is the most important part.

How about the young guys when you get to camp? Like it's kind of an unspoken thing. I can remember being young going against like Orlando Pace. It's like I got to try my very hardest to beat this guy because it's very important for me to show my best self. But at the same time, I know that somebody has been in league 20. years, not every rep is as important. So how do you work with like young guys that you might be like, hey, slow it down a little bit partner in this situation or like, hey, don't maybe drive me into the quarterback if I didn't have a good set? Is that something that you kind of talk out with younger

guys during practice and camp? You know, really, I try to treat live reps as just role. I don't want to do too much of that. But let's say it's a walkthrough or it's a jog through period or it's a half period. Like you'll get some of his young guns and it's like, you know, it's like, hey, man, we're walking through and you're like full speed trying to jump counts and rip underneath. I'm like, hey, calm down, right? Like, you'll get all the reps you want, one-on-one pass rush and team and all that kind of stuff. Like, during this, let's work our technique and you work, you're putting your hands on me and let's get to know how to how to do this thing, right? Like, how to actually feel some of these things that you're going to want to do. Because I feel like a lot with young rushers, right?

It's like you're almost in such a hurry to get to the quarterback that sometimes it's like even in a drill like that when you'd probably serve better like learning how to put your hands on somebody in a speed and work in those hands and work in your hips. Whereas you just think like running to the quarterback, you know, and it's like, dude, you get more out of this and I would too if we'd engage each other and feel balance and pressure and everything else. And so it's kind of just teaching those guys what's actually going to benefit them and me and how can we do that together. It's also kind of like when you're a rusher in practice and you know like you get a one-on-one rep, which for people at home when you see like the end zone view of a one-on-one drill, that's only like once a week during the season. It's kind of once a day during training camp, but you only get two, three reps if you're lucky or if you're young.

You don't really like you're afraid to work things because it feels embarrassing to get stonewalled in one-on-ones. It feels embarrassing to try something new because there's somebody competing with you and you're on camera. You're being evaluated. So that's kind of the mind fuck of playing in the NFL. It's like, okay, I got to work my craft, but I'm also getting evaluated on if this new thing doesn't work for me and I fail miserably in August. Like, I'm trying to make a team. Yeah, exactly. And I think that's what's tough for, you know, when you get in the league as a tackle and really any lineman in any guy up front is that, you know, you're worried about winning the rep. But at the same time,

you need to get benefit of truly working your craft at the same time and understand that you're going to have to try different things and find your best version of you. That's what I always tell to young rushers, young tackles. It's like, hey, there's not one way to do things. So you need to find you and like, what's your style and what are you going to be good at? And the reality is if it's great tackles and the way they set, they all set different, but all them have their groove of how they set and how they use their hands. Rushers are no different. I mean, every great rusher has their go-to thing that they're going to do 90% of the time when they rush. And then they're going to have their things that they kind of do off of that.

And it's like a lot of these young guys, it's almost like they can kind of get in that world of like you only get so many reps. So if you've got 14 different moves that you want to try, I don't know how good you're getting at them, right? So it's like go with the thing that you're good at and get great at it and then build off of that. You know what I mean? And who cares if you telegraph it in one-on-ones?

Who cares? Yeah, who cares? The whole point is to work it. Yeah, the point is to work it. And the point is to like see what works and what doesn't. I guess I just sit there and I imagine you trying to talk to the, the younger guys on the other side of the ball, offensive linemen. I know what I would tell

young D. Lyman when it's when it's time to work their craft and we just kind of went through it. But how do you tell an offensive lineman in one-on-one pass rush? Like, do you prep a rookie? Like, this is what's going to be like to block Aaron Donald. Like, I don't have to do it, but I know what it's like. So let me just, is there any advice

you give these guys? Yeah, I think kind of similar to probably what you would say to young rushers is that, hey, do what it is that you set out in this goal and this drill to be good at and just work your technique and understand that there's there's guys that it's going to take time to learn how to block and there's going to take the perfect rep sometimes but you got to just keep working your stuff and not letting really that kind of take away from it if it's if you like to jump or if you like

to set on an angle or if you like to set back whatever your style is keep working it and keep learning and just take these these ops as learning ops and I think that the more you can just be less worried about well AD just beat me well guess what he beats 99% of the guy in the league. So just calm down. Just do your deal. And don't be scared to take your shot, right? Like get in there and try to block this dude. Don't worry about it. You know, worst case scenario, you know what? He beats everybody else like a drum. It's okay. You'll be all right. Yeah. I mean, like you said 99. I feel like it might be 100. If you get enough reps, it's going to be 100. Like maybe some guys will just block him. For people listening at home,

like they can see the way you set. Like they can watch. But I don't know that people know like the terminology of like what Andrew Whitworth set is like how do you set like for people at home yeah I mean I think for me I'm more of an angle setter I set on an angle and and then in times you know I'll do things that I kind of consider setting on a kind of what we would be considered an angle set at 45 but then also kind of fading back vertically at the same time if I feel a guy's a late late move guy or a guy who kind of likes to try to fill out a rush, I'll slow that angle down and make it a little more vertical. But every now and then, and, you know, we obviously run a lot of play action. You'll see some jumps and you'll see some tighter angle sets. I'm not much of a vertical

guy. I've just never really been able to do it that well. Only really when I see twist and games and different things coming, do I really ever set vertically? But yeah, I mean, for me, that's my style. Obviously, playing at 39, that's had to change over the years. I mean, I've had enough injuries to where there's a lot of things physically. I just can't set like I used to set when I was younger. And so I have to find ways. As I say, sometimes I end up waddling backwards just because the hips might not be in the mood to function that day. So some days the hips aren't in the mood to function.

But, you know, it's fine in a way. That's what's really been the most fun for me. Like playing at this age in my upper 30s is really been the ability to just go out and find a way to get your job done. like whatever that takes you know whatever it is workout wise whatever it is on the field um that's been really the fun part of of the game to me is just finding ways and creating new ways to get your job done you know when you talk about oline technique i think we're living in such an interesting time because of what they've kind of done as far as the community of o lineman talking things out and like a lot of things are shared on social that it's just a total different like you have these summits and

stuff where i see lane and those guys go and i know they get great work done the flip side of it though is that you're sharing secrets with other O'Lyman that you are competing with. I mean, like, let's just be real. Like on a level, you are competing with those guys. And I wonder for you who came in a league in the early 2000s, how different like vets deal with each other team to team. Yeah, you know, I think I would have never really seen that when I got in the league. I don't think that guys kind of jobs like that. That wasn't a thing. And I think it's cool to see. I mean, obviously, because I think it's going to help a lot of younger players or guys that come in the league. find different guys.

The only thing that worries me a little bit is, like I said earlier, you know, there's some guys out there that it's like, yeah, I don't know if you can do that. Like, you know, it's like if you think, hey, I'm going to go be Tyrant Smith. Like, well, guess what? Tarant Smith has 40 inch arms and he can bench breast 750 pounds. Like, you're probably not going to left hand stab everybody and have any success. Right. So it's not that it's like that's his style, you know?

It's like how many guys are as athletic as Toronto Armstead? It's like, yeah, you can learn some stuff, but I don't know if you can do those things. You know what I mean? And so it's like, make sure that you're, I always say this. I don't care if it's a mentor or if it's somebody you look up to or if it's who you're trying to idolize. I always say this. It's like, take pieces.

Don't take the whole. Right. And it's like just learn some little things you can learn from them, but don't think that you need to replicate yourself to somebody else. Like you can be you and just take some of the pieces that maybe you're learning at those things and take them and see if you can be successful with them and find the ones that work for you. Well, I think it's so interesting because we talk about this on the defensive line side of the ball and I mentioned this here is that like I think the number one thing a young player can do

to benefit themselves is not only figure out who they are, but like who you're not. You know, like what can you not do? Okay. And you just talked about it with Armstead. When you want to teach them to just inside hand punch and like that sort of thing, well, I watched Armstead on tape doing that. Well, you're going to get you somebody's going to get under your arm because you don't have 40 inch arms and when somebody shows me a miles garrett rush or somebody showed me a von miller rush or shit you know michael bennett and myself played together late in our careers we'd watch each other but we also knew that there were things that we just didn't do that the other person could or could not do and like it's kind of what you're talking about it's

take little things from people but don't try to emulate everybody because it's it's an art form it's not a there's not a manual you know what i mean Right. Yeah, you look at fighting. I mean, right? You know, you obviously follow a lot of MMA, law boxing. All those guys have their own style, you know, and that's where I get into a little bit. Like, and I get, like, I think it's great. Some of these O-line guys that are O-line gurus, teaching guys in the off-season stuff. But when I see them kind of like make everybody get in the same stance, everybody get in the same position, you all kick the same, you all use your hand. Like, I just, to me, like, I can dispel that immediately. Like, we can go watch tape on the 32 teams that play and all 32 left tackles. completely different. Use their hands, completely different. So, like, there's no way you can tell me there's a robot way to do this. So, you know, that's where it's just like, yeah, I encourage guys to be them and understand, find your style and what works for you.

But football's changed, too. Like, schemes change. Players have changed. Like, I remember when I got in the league and you were in it before me, it was like, you could count on your right tackle being a big mall and punching motherfucker. Like, you knew that on your third step, if I could just knock, you know, I don't know, was Jeremy Bridges hands down or, you know, I'm just thinking about names, the guys who you just punch you in the face.

Like that was the set, you know what I mean, that you were used to. And every once in a while you'd have guys that would start to pull their hands back, like a lock, lear kind of guy was different. But mostly you saw the same sets. And I think that like now the game's changing where to your point, there's 32 different sets on Sunday. And there's a lot of different offenses. How is the game change most notably for you as you get older?

Really, you look at it. I think even not only is the game changed from like who's playing the positions, but really even the styles. I mean, I can remember when I got in the league in 06, it's like you might face a team that they really, they, you know,

kind of put them, so they hung their hat on pass rush. So they might have some great edge rushers. But then the next week you might face a team that it's like, their only focus was stopping the run. And so you might face kind of your bigger four or three ends who are really not rushing that much and they're really not that worried about getting to the quarterback. They're just going to make sure you don't run the football on them.

And then they're going to blitz. to get to the quarterback or they're going to do whatever, you know, and send pressures. But it's like every week, it's like one week you might face the guy to get after it. And you're like, all right, man, technically, I got to be perfect and pass sets. And then the next week you're like, ah, I kind of got to go out. It's like, been passed. I'm not even worried about it. You know, it's more can I move this guy on the run game?

Now the game has changed so much to where it's like, I joke. Like used to, I could kind of set a calendar and say, all right, I got to play Jared Allen. I got to play Frini this week, you know, but there's like separation, you know, or I got to play Suggs and Harrison. Now it's like all 16, seven. 17 weeks, you're going, all right, well, dang, this team's got this guy. And it's like, he's great at getting the quarterback, but he uses this style. And this guy's great to get the quarterback that uses this style. It's like you almost, you don't get any days off anymore. It's like,

all these guys. Or if they're a team that does, you do that, they might have a third down specialist guy who's a tremendous structure. And you're just like, all right, man, it's like every week, you've got a dog. And so it's just different. And only that shoot in 06, Chris, you know, that's like, we were in a center. Like, I don't know, 95% of the game. Yes. We only got the shotgun when it was third. and 12. And the ball's coming out quicker, which helps, I feel like. I do feel like, you know, there were two things I noticed as I got older in the league

for me and I retired at 34. But like the one thing that made me think, how the game's starting to get a little different for me was the perimeter run stuff. Like not the perimeter run, but the perimeter like passed to make it a run. Like everything became much more lateral. And I did not like things slowing me down to have to like, plant my feet and then go run my 5-1-40 at 33 years old, like and chase down a bubble screen. Like back in the day, we'd play Sam Fran.

It'd be power counter. You know, it'd be, you know, or you'd get a hard zone either way against Seattle. Like those were kind of the type of offenses you ran. You guys do a hell of a lot of stuff to make people uncomfortable in L.A. Yeah, trying to stretch the field everywhere. Like we say, we want to make defenses depend every blade of grass, horizontally, vertically, vertically everywhere. So, yeah, I mean, it's a lot of that.

And I think that's one of the things that's made the game a lot different. I mean, I know for me, when I got in the game, a perfect example, I played at, you know, probably 360, 355 and 06, 07, 08, 09, somewhere in there. And now I probably play around 315, 310. You know, it's like my, I've had to change because the game's changed. I got to cover more ground. There's more things laterally where you're getting out in space than ever before. I mean, shoot, you know, back in the day, big Willie Anderson, you know, play with Incentsia, a tremendous player. It's like, he stayed in his four-yard box and, like, he never left it.

You know, you didn't run after a play. You didn't, like, chase down people on screens. Like, just you stay in that little box and you moved people in the run game and you didn't let people get to the quarterback, and that was it. You faced some great rushers. You just siphoned through a bunch of them. I'm curious because when you were in Sincere, you obviously had to face James Harrison a good bit. You also faced, I don't know if Dunlap rushed on your side a lot.

Did he in practice? No, not really. So looking at Dunlap or somebody like him who's very tall, and then looking at James Harrison who's shorter, most people would think like you know styles make fights we just talked about that like maybe james harrison leverage that's going to be trouble for you shorter guys do you have uh is it tough when a guy can negate your length or are you more of like hey the leverage guy sucks you know james always seemed to have a pretty good success against just because he was more of a even

though he had leverage it was more pure power yeah now earlier in his career when he got to got off the rock a lot more. I thought he was like harder to block. But as he got older and he really kind of used more just strength, that was kind of my game. So I felt pretty good with that. Plus, I had to play Suggs twice a year two. So it's like I was so used to power rushes that it was kind of that's what I preferred. But I would say if I had to go, all right, some guys that were tough, obviously.

I mean, Dwight Frini, obviously, in his heyday, it's like so rare. That get off and power and leverage he had with his legs and his ability to just spin and everything. Are you getting crazy? Are you guessing on him because, like, there's no selling that spin? No, you know, with him, you'd have to kind of watch his inside of hand a lot. When the hand went high, the spin would come. And then he got good at using that and then doing kind of a knotdown with it, you know, eventually when he started realizing guys would sit for the spin.

Right. But, you know, really you would kind of try and study his hands and his body movement. But you'd realize that the reality for him was if he got enough reps at it, his get-off was so good. That's really what made it work is that, you know, if you were a little late one time and you started to lean with your head or helmet and it just you know the spins coming and you're going to look like an idiot i mean you're going to be running up the field i think freeney deware that little like class of dudes that were just so dominant

mathis like we had some just amazing rushes to watch do you remember joe staley getting hit with a fake spin oh yeah oh yeah everybody around the league remembers that like hey offensive tackles and defensive ends alike are watching that like you know that doesn't work. Robert Mathis outside spin. It's like, dude, what is this? What is this? Like, it just destroyed guys. But it's like, you had no idea when it's coming. And then it's like he hits you with it. And it's like, what just happened? It's like one of those where you literally like look around like where did he go? I can't even. Yeah, like, but the rules have been broken. The rules tell me he's supposed to be here, here. And he's behind me. Like what is going on? Who's somebody young that you can see

being in that mold? Like we don't throw those names around, but that are going to be the gatekeepers in the next generation of past rushers. Somebody young that you really like. Obviously, I think, you know, Miles Garrett's going to be really rare. But, you know, I think Nick Bosa, unfortunately, with the injury, but, you know, I think he'll come back in a storm this year. I think he's a special rusher. I think feeling him as a rookie, he's one of the most powerful kids I've ever felt that young. When you're really in the run game, past game, everything, he's got some serious pop. And so I think there's youth strength. And then there's like, man, when this guy kind of hits his stride, if he's that powerful now, wow, he's going to be a guy that's going to really be able to

push the pocket and obviously plays an incredible motor and has a big brother to look up to his outfit player too. Oh my God, dude. He's, I mean, Joey's, Joey's rare. So Nick's, Nick's, uh, I would say to me, Nick has felt, uh, more powerful than, then what I feel when I feel Joe, I think Joey's just an artist. He really, he's an artist rusher, but, but Nick is, man, he's got some rare power. I think he's one that's going to be really special for sure. What have you learned? I mean, you've been away. So I don't know that you and Matt Stafford have spent a lot of time, but what has been something you learned about him that you're excited about that you didn't know while he was in Detroit or something unexpected?

You know, I think just being around him, obviously, I haven't had the chance of knowing him, you know, like how you know guys in the league just from playing and kind of getting some experiences around each other. But actually personally getting to be around him and spend some time, just that he's kind of, what I would say is kind of a man's man. Like, he's just a guy, man. And he's tough and he's rugged. and he kind of wants it. There's no excuses with him. I mean, I can remember a story while back, you know,

just when he was getting back rehabbing this thumb, you know, of, I remember one of the guys, somebody asked him, like, you know, if they wanted, like, the football's, like conditioned a certain way for him to start throwing with it again or whatever. And he's just like, does it have laces on it? Like, I don't know what you're talking about. You know, it's like, but that's just him, right? It's like, I don't need any of that kind of stuff.

I want to play football. And I don't need the ball to feel it. a perfect way. Like just you don't have to brush it down for me. Just give me a football that has laces on it. Let me spin it. And I think that kind of attitude is just cool to see him, a quarterback who has obviously made a ton of money and had a lot of success in the league,

personally, who wants to have that team success. I think, you know, seeing how hungry he is, it's fun to be around another guy. And you know this. Like once guys are over 30, there's just a vibe.

You have like, you know, you get it. You just, you know each other. You feel each other. You've got to almost be around each other without saying a word. and there's just a there's a feel you have there.

So being around him and that experience is cool, man. I'm excited about getting the opportunity to go to war with him. You know, golf ended on a bad note, and everybody knows it didn't work out. We don't have to go like two down that road. But I just think I watched him at the end, and I thought his toughness, you know, was impressive. I thought that, you know, mentally and physically to go out like he did,

you know, to give it a go on the road in Seattle and that sort of thing. Like, was there a sense of, hey, this guy didn't work out, but you know, you can really respect him coming out the door as a teammate and that type of thing. Oh, I think there's no question. I mean, you go all the way back from Jared's videos getting drafted, the famous video of Cal when they just all go nuts. You can tell how much guys, teammates, people he's around, love him, and they care about him.

And so I think Jared's one of those guys who's just, he's a real dude, and he's got a big heart. And I think guys just endear to him because of that. And so I think, yeah, it was impressive the way he fought through that. and really just wanted to be out there regardless. And I think obviously, you know, we've both played and you as well long enough to where you see all kinds of stuff happen and things happen and teams move on. And one thing you can be assured is the next training camp, it always looks different.

And this is another one of those situations where things happen for whatever reason they happen. And I mean, no guys will leave anything other than a lot of respect for Jared Gough. And obviously, I mean, you know, a guy that a lot of us are close to him will continue to be close to years to come. What do you think Gino Atkins still has in the tank? Guys still sitting around and I'm like, have we forgotten this guy? I mean, I know there's health issues as you get older, but I feel like the country should pay more attention to Gino

going back to, you know, when we got in the league to now. Like, what's he still got left in the tank? I don't know. That'd be interesting to see. I mean, you know, he's a guy that, man, how special he was. I mean, you know, there was a run there that he was just unbelievable. I always used to say, like, it would be amazing to block him and feel just a guy who felt like he was 500 pounds,

except for when you look at him, you're like, man, I'm going to just rock this dude. And he would get under guys, and you would see their cleats in the ground. And they're just digging through the dirt, like a bulldozer. Their feet are just sliding through the grass all the way back to the quarterback with his rare power.

I mean, it was really special to play with him, and he was a heck of a player. And I'd love nothing more to see him get back out there and start doing his thing. But, you know, he's also one of those guys. He always had a great balance to where he enjoyed football. but he also liked his personal time. And, you know what, he's, he's had a great run.

So maybe for him, this is it. But if he gets out there, it'd be great to see him do his thing again. You could make a case for the Hall of Fame there. Yeah, he's a special player, man. Yeah. I mean, you know, since he's tough, because you guys didn't enjoy some of the national kind of, yeah, I mean, which is crazy, because in a lot of ways you get to L.A., and it's not as much of a football town, maybe,

but you get more national exposure playing in L.A. And I wonder if in Sincis for a long time. There's no questions. There's no question. I mean, it's, you know, going to a bigger market, it gives you an insane. I always joke, like, in my five years here in L.A., like, I got more people to know who I am, like, that I play football for a living than I ever did in 11 years in Cincinnati, as good as the runs were. It just is what it is.

I always just an example. Like, I'm always like, hey, look, you know, Tony Romo and the Cowboys were pretty good. They didn't, like, win a Super Bowl. But they had some pretty good runs there, right, for a couple years. And I always tell people, I'm like, who won more games from, like, 2008 to 15? Romo and the Cowboys. I'm like, no, not even close. Cincinnati won more games. Y'all were in a lot of playoff games.

When I look back at Andy Dalton's record and the type of things that you guys were able to accomplish and obviously not able to get over the hump in the playoffs, but y'all were a good football team. And I think sometimes like that Cincinnati kind of, you know, lamenting that we haven't been in a big one in a long time could kind of rub off on the national consensus. It's a, you all had a good run there.

And I wonder, because the Pittsburgh and Cinsey rivalry, was the thing that we always used to tune into, no matter if you weren't a fan of the AFC North or they weren't on your opponent list, you were definitely tuning into that game. How rough was it on the, how violent was it to sit there on the field and be an offensive line and see some of those hits?

I mean, different than anything else? Oh, man, it was, you know, the AFC North for a while there, man was just, it was intense. I mean, the physicality in that division was really, really special. And playing those guys and seeing some of those hits and obviously James Harrison, special he was and how powerful he was. That whole defense fed off of all that. And man, I mean, I can go all the way back to the Ryan Clark and all those guys in the Steelers secondary and

Palomalu, obviously, the hits and just the things, man, that division, playing that division was a lot of fun during that era. I mean, you look at even Baltimore when I got in. I mean, it was Ray and Bard and Ed, you know, Nagata. I mean, Hologi. I mean, you got all those guys. I mean, it was Trevor Price. I mean, you're talking about some legends, you know, in there. And it was a lot of fun playing the division just from that standpoint, just that physicality that existed in the NFC North. It was really special. But like you said, I mean, that run we had, I mean, people don't realize that from 09 to 15, six out of seven years, we went to the playoffs. And we won like 60-something games in those years. And so, you know, it's one of those things where when you get to that

playoff, how much that playoff win really dictates a team, right? And it's like you have a lot of success in season. You win three division championships in that era, but you don't win in the playoffs and that's all people remember. And that's why it was so sweet getting to the Rams and having that opportunity in 2018 and went in a playoff game. That was a pretty cool moment. I think I can speak to some

of the obscurity in Sincere. We're the official podcast of sports uniforms and you wore just a gorgeous jersey in college at LSU. Were you aware of just how awful the Cincinnati Bengal Uni was when you got there?

I knew it was different. As my wife says sometimes, is, you know, orange is a tough color, you know, and it's one of those that sometimes just doesn't exist on people's color wheels. You know, if you have your color wheel in your closet, orange ones are tough to pull off, you know. And so I knew it was going to be different, going from the purple and gold to the orange and black. But you know what? It served me good. I can say that. For 11 years, I had a lot of fun and a lot of good memories. And now we need your take on a gradient numeral you're wearing on your chest. Blue uni will go from yellow to white.

I mean, is that? We absolutely, we were like everybody else. We dumped on the logo. We did the whole thing where everybody was upset with the Rams. And I got to say, I actually don't mind to get up. Yeah, I think it's getting better. I think it's starting to warm up to people. I think people are starting to kind of take it in.

And I think, you know, it's one of those things. It's like fashion, right? I mean, somebody comes out with someone. You're like, that's hideous. And then two years later, everybody's rocking it. You're like, okay, well, I guess I got to take that back. But I had kind of the same reaction. I wasn't sure I liked it at first.

And then when we got in the season, you kind of start seeing like how everything works together and the logos and the colors. It started to grow on me. And now, like this year, you know, another jersey in uniforms coming out that's really sharp because of a throwback to the old Rams unies with the yellow and everything. So I'm looking forward to it. I'm excited to these unies. I think they're going to continue to grow. And who knows, there's no telling what gradient thing we're going to add next to our union. It's another testament to how long I've played in the league.

I know. You told 2006 they were going to be wearing some faded numbers. At an indoor, outdoor stadium with palm trees and shit inside and like the whole nine yards. It's like, it's a brave new world, dude. Oh, but there's no doubt about it. If you, you know, if you told Kelly Greg back in the day, he was going to be wearing gradient numbers. I don't know if being Kelly Greg, we'd be excited about that. Yeah, exactly.

Two things to finish up with you. Number one, they really fall under the category of things you're going to spend the rest of your off season doing number one training and number two golf let's start with training you got golf on your sweatshirt i was told that you you're a really good golfer but you train your ass off you're up where right now at what altitude uh i'm right outside of vale and beaver creek colorado in walcott colorado it's called and um yeah i bought a house here about five six years ago and i spend the summers basically from when many camp ends until training camp starts uh we spend about five and a half, six weeks here. And I train here in the altitude. I turn my garage

into a gym. And then I got a mountain bike and stuff. And so I do some biking up the mountains. We do some hiking with packpacks and stuff, weighted stuff. And weighted carries up the mountain, all that good fun stuff. And I just enjoyed it. Being in the altitude is a heck of a workout. And I've really enjoyed having this time when I get to camp. It's like the shape I'm in. It just blows me away. So I've kind of jumped into it. And I really love it. And so that's one of the things I do. In the off season, I train at my house there in California. And then, you know, when we hit really kind of the end of OTA mini camp time, we spend the time here and just hiking as a family and going to do some cool hikes across Colorado. And it's a great family time, a great unity

time and also just a good time for me to get in shape and get ready for camp. And it's also, Chris, just the hidden secret, a little easier to get in shape and altitude. So for the big fellas, you know, it's a little less having to get out there and run and be out on the grass. And, you know, chugging along doing half gassers. I can just do a little walk up the mountain with the kids and I'm ready to roll. That's so interesting that you can actually cut down on the wear and tear because you can do less and get the same out of it. Oh, yeah.

I've had years where literally I've done, like I had a couple years there. One of the years I had ankle surgery and another deal where I just spent the whole summer here. I didn't run one time, didn't touch the grass the entire time, just hikes with the kids, weighted my backpack a lot and would do some of the hikes and that way and then get a lot carries and stuff like that here and just kind of push like sleds and stuff like that in the mountain no no running at all and then I just show up to camp and I'm like dude I feel better and I've ever felt my career like just shape-wise and I haven't put on a cleat or run or or done anything you know

other than just do this and it's like man it's insane the difference this altitude can have effect on you that's impressive and for people listening at home you have to stay there longer in a couple days exactly you got to actually put in some work that's why big fellas up there five six weeks but you're also playing golf, I suppose. Are you the best big man golfer in the NFL? You know, I've heard there's a couple guys out there that are pretty decent. But yeah, I would have to say, I mean, somebody's got to get on the grass and show me if they're better. But I'm always up for that challenge.

But yeah, I mean, I'm probably a three index, something like that. And, you know, probably, you know, I'm a solid single digit. So, you know, it's fun, though. That's what I do. So it's part of what I attribute also to my career. I mean, I have always literally my offseason, I train in the mornings, and then I spend, you know, a couple hours on the range in the morning and then usually, you know, go see the kids, do whatever I'm doing with the kids in the day. And then the afternoon, I try and close out my afternoons with a couple hours on the range again. Almost dang near every day.

If I'm not playing around the golf, it would be the only reason I wouldn't do it if I actually played 18 holes. And then here in the summer, I train in the mornings and then I get 18 holes in every day in Colorado. of and then, you know, plus the hike. So for me, I call it feet time. I just try to be on my feet, man. I like playing golf, moving, walking, hiking, whatever it is, just off the couch, moving and staying active. How far can you drive the ball?

I can hit it a long way. You know what's crazy, though, as I've gotten going in this, you know, I've learned that that it doesn't have a whole lot to do with why I want to be good at being good at good off. So I've actually become a guy, I hits a little bit of a driving iron off the tea, Chris. Okay.

You know, I like to hit fairways and have a good second shot, you know, because I can hit it a really long way with the driver, especially up here in the mountains. I mean, you can get up to 380, 400 yards up here, bombing it the right way. But, you know, I can hit it a good ways. I'll put it that way. I can let it rip.

I just, for me, you know, there's not many golf courses that I hit it well enough with the tea with the driver off the tee to really hit driver a lot. So I've learned to just put it in the fair way and let's play some golf. Hey, teams in L.A. and Aaron Donald's in the locker room, but inside the Rams organization, there's still a lot of stories, a lot of talk of Chris Long. No, there's not. Former D. End. No.

I mean, in the barbershop with Reggie Scott, yeah, there's plenty of talk about. Yeah, those guys liked me there. I think. Those guys have a good time, man. You know, it's one of the things that's been really used. unique for me going there and being around Reggie Scott, who now, I don't know how he's got 14 different titles now, but, you know, Reggie's, you know, the head trainer, the head everything over there now with the Rams. And he obviously works with Chris a lot. And he's just a special

human being and his crew and all his guys, they do just an amazing job. I've never been around a culture where like the training facility, just in there, being in the training room and doing that kind of thing, it was that cool of an atmosphere. And I mean, it's, it's, it's pretty special the culture that he has going on for sure he's a big part of what's special about the Rams that's for sure it's like a clubhouse in there it's like just you don't want to be in there because you don't want to be hurt but you do like to walk through to see what's going on like that's the best way I put it yeah and you don't want to be the one that the circles on that day either but you kind of want to walk through to just kind of get a feel of who is getting ripped

or who is in the middle of the circle because there's always somebody their name on the board or something about them or a picture that Reggie's found. Oh, yeah. It's a constant humbling process to go in that trainer room. So it's a lot of fun. No doubt about it. Andrew Whitworth, look forward to seeing you play at least one more year, man. Much respect, dude.

Come back another time and good luck this year. I look forward to it, man. What a challenge, 2021. Let's do it. Ooh, let's go, big dog. Let's go. All right, man. Hey, holler at me, man. Good luck and tell the boys high, okay?

We'll do, man. Take care. Okay, see you. Okay, see you, bud. Class act right there, dude. I don't throw that word around. Class act. Guy can talk about his trade.

He's so smart. He's always been so smart. And you can tell when you do chop it up with him, conversations like that. I mean, he's just a good, solid dude that's worked his craft really hard. He's also incredibly gifted. Like when you ask people in L.A.,

like tell me something about Andrew Whitworth and what it's like to play with him or coach him, it's a guy's a freak of, nature just like country strong enormous cat that body type is not supposed to last that long in the NFL like it really is not he's an anomaly in so so many ways to use that to his advantage is wild because for so many guys that size and that strength even at times can be in today's NFL like that can be a problem so we've got big donkey coming up steven shock he is again the guy you know from Twitter.com and from the TV pitcher for the Virginia Cavaliers.

And I mean, he's got nothing to hang his head about, nor do any of those kids. What a run. I mean, like, I was talking with people. It is no fun to be invested in watching a baseball game. Yeah. Now, I know you love your fills.

I love my Blue Jays. But when UVA is on the front of the jersey, it takes it to another level. Yes. And even when you're up for nothing in the eighth, it is baseball is just a cruel sport man yeah and and Mississippi State won that game fair and square and now they're in the college world series championship series against the van derbilt commodores and not the NC stay wolf pack so there's the thing I want to ask you what you think

about this because I think sometimes it's okay to say as a podcaster I'm not really positive what I think about it by now you know the story I'm not saying necessarily that the rules should have been the rules or the protocol should have been the protocols, especially with the NCAA touting 22,000 in attendance, unmasked without being tested, et cetera. But NC State did know the rules going in. And if your team and travel party was completely vaxed, you weren't going to be tested. Right. In part because if you're vaxed and contract COVID, it's not as bad as if you were unvaxed and contracted COVID in theory. So some players took the risk, knowing the rules,

and it stinks so much. You can't lessen that blow to those dudes, but am I the jackass for saying there also should be some accountability? I mean, this was in play. I don't know what the take ratio has been on this thing. I think I'm in the minority. Okay.

I mean, I don't have enough information to make a definitive. call on what might take would be. I just think that, you know, if they had enough players to play, then maybe we let them go necessary roughness and try to go out there with a fucked up set of numbers and get a win. I'm just a big rules guy.

I think either follow the governing bodies rules or you don't. And NC State rolled the dice and it's too bad. Four unvaxed players tested positive and then four vaxed players tested positive. Right. or members of the support party. Details are still gray. JJ Reddick's got to be crushed to see that team not go through.

Yeah, his wolf pack. He was a stud there for four years. I really do think he could have been an NC state guy. It's just stuck in my head since we interviewed him. I just have the picture of him and his shells in a red undershirt or white undershirt. Now, to be fair, he was also classic Duky. Yeah, no, for sure. Poster boy for Duky.

So if I can speak out of both sides of my mouth, and we can put a bow on this bad boy. Very sorry for the NC state players. Can't imagine going out that way. For some guys, it's going to be their last game. Or not their last game. The last game they weren't allowed to play.

But, I mean, the rules were the same for everybody. You go home, and before you have to quarantine for seven days, according to their coach, you mix it up with thousands of fans in Rale. It's just, yeah, they probably weren't.

weren't at major risk. If they were to keep playing, Vandy, now Vandy has an advantage with their pitchers rested, but them's the brakes. I feel like you and shock are gonna disagree here, but we're gonna go back and forth. I think so too. Yeah, just because I just feel like

it's gotten to be one of these things that when it comes to the vaccine, I've made myself pretty clear. I've done what I've done. I hope people would do the same thing and any situation that this applies itself to, That's kind of my stance. I mean, it's just that simple.

And when it comes to sports and that sort of thing, I do think it's hard to be consistent. It really is, because all these situations seem different from sport to sport from the regular season to the college world series. But I'm not going to get up on a soapbox and get mad because I can't generate outrage. I'm bummed for them.

I'm not a rules guy like you, but I also think that there's a kind of a forward-thinking way about going about playing sports in the post-COVID era, especially in the first couple years. And yeah, you would have liked to see everybody who vaccinated and they took that risk. It sucked. But I don't really have a take.

Go Bulldogs? Sure. For me? Sure. They haven't won an adie yet. They're one of three schools, Mississippi State, Kansas State, and Virginia Tech. In any, yeah, that was a great way to bring that up.

In any sport. In any sport. Damn, I can't wait to tell Fletcher Cox that. Yeah, there you go. I mean, he was gloating the other night. because we decided to let him back in the ballgame. But yeah, Steven Schock, all-time memorable who for sure. And we get to talk to him for a little bit here.

Hopefully not the last time. I know he's talking about going to work for bars still. I saw that on Twitter. So what I do? I quote tweeted Dana Beers over there. And I'm like, hey, listen, man, and this is true. We can't have the big donkey and a small pen up there in New York. You know what a content salary gets you here?

8,500 square foot house. Brick. Monicello. Yeah, you could buy Monticello. Cowboy Reed lives at Monicello. Cowboy Reed lives. Cowboy Reed moved from Monticello because it wasn't nice enough. Cowboy Reads, crunchy ass, now lives on the mountain beside Monichello, the bigger one. Carnalto.

Mon Alto. Yeah. I fly my kites all the time. There's a tunnel. His crunchy ass flying. Flies kites and shen? Flying kites. Yeah, you could fly kites down here, dude.

You go up there with, I mean, yeah, there's a lot of them. lot of stuff you can do and that sort of thing and there's a lot of funny guys there and that sort of thing yeah but they're mean uh dan cat's mean guy no he's not me piff piffed commenter mean guy not mean dana beers mean guy dana beer's just drunk guy hey i don't know much about dana beers other than dana beers here's the thing about dana beers his uh whole brand which is just genius if your brand is an alcoholic you can literally do that your entire life like his job security is alcoholism and he does a great job at it my favorite beer guy though in the world is that kid that um bum chillips posts a lot he's the frat boy looking kid

with all the flags on his wall probably a big flag day guy and he records himself drinking 12 beers of like different varieties yeah yeah yeah and then he stops after every like four man i remember one night he did like butt ice or something which obviously is a whole another ball game and he was just fucking speechless by like eight i love that kid uh yeah Yeah, no, I don't know how we got here. Dana Beer is the beer guy, but yeah, I think there's a lot of positive, sure, to, like, join in the mothership and that sort of thing. But, like, do you want to be a part of building something?

That's right. We'll send you a correspondent type shit. Buy your plane ticket. I be standing in haunted houses and going to, like, tractor poles and shit. That'd be great. Send them on. We could have a segment called Shocks, shocking takes. Yeah.

And so cease and desist, anybody else that uses that after you. hire him. Yeah. You want to be a cog in a machine or do you want to be a... Do you want to be the machine? Or do you want to be the machine? Can't put a big donkey in a little pen in Manhattan. You need some land to roam, buddy. All right. So Stephen Schock, listen, we don't beg anybody to work for us. We don't. We just put the facts out there. You can lead a donkey to water, but you can't make him drink. I can speak from experience. You presented me a contract. I said, oh, let's change. a couple of things.

You said, fuck you. Sign it or don't sign it. So here we are. You know, it's a great place to work. That's a ringing endorsement. Oh,

and by the way, Coach Wook's walking up the stairs right now so he can join us to sprinkle a little baseball. That's Megan's hand. But we can sprinkle some baseball IQ in here with this interview. And then Wook and I,

stick around for afterwards. We're going to review necessary roughness and find out what the movie will be next week. All right, big donkey. So the big donkeys here. We've been waiting for this moment.

I mean, there's a backstory. Okay. And can I let you, Steve, tell the story about you and I have hung out before? Yeah, we have. And if it weren't for my camera roll, I probably wouldn't have remembered it. Health and personal. No, same. I was like, wait, I met this kid.

But, yeah, it was the third floor of Millers. I was there with my girlfriend, one of my buddies. who's a huge Eagles fan. And he walks up and he goes, dude, I just saw Chris Long because he went downstairs to, you know, maybe buy some tobacco products, maybe cigarettes. Who knows? Possibly. He knows what the night's doing.

That could have been it. And he was like, dude, I swear to God, I just saw him. I was like, well, let's go down and find him. I mean, I'm a UVA guy. So he kind of has to, he has to at least say hi. If I say hi to him, because otherwise it would be really awkward for him. him. Yeah, dude. We had a little hang at Millers, bro, which is

which is hazy for me. The best part of this is that Chris thought that Millers was located in Amsterdam. I thought we met in Amsterdam. That's fucking insane. He's never been to Amsterdam. For three weeks now, I was like, he sent me the picture, and I saw the picture, and I was like, I think that was in Amsterdam because I met some guys that I thought were football players in Amsterdam and they were UVA guys.

And in my drunk brain, your face. molded with that guy in Amsterdam and now you're telling me that that picture was at Miller which means there's a follow-up where somewhere out there are three UVA football players with another really good story they do have a good story because that was a totally different vibe in Amsterdam okay well the question was I asked you I said I said were we ripping heaters yeah it's third floor of Miller's I remember that part actually at least so we were just asked you've kind of taken the country by storm like people are i think what do you think it is about you that's appealing to people

i don't know i think it's like people see college baseball players and like they see the way they compete and stuff and they're like oh these guys must just be like hardos they hate everybody you know they're just thinking of murder and the other team the whole time in the dugout it's like that's not really the vibe at all and right i kind of just you know they put a headset on me and i just kind of rambled about random shit to be honest with you And I guess people expected me based on, you know, how I pitched to be, you know, kind of of Captain Insano, just not really thinking about anything but winning and competing. But, you know, I don't think really many people realize that there's a line when it comes

to competing. And I happen to be someone who's really good at just, like, drawing the line. And, you know, as soon as I step off the field, I'm just a giant dipshit pretty much. And so. Well, I mean, that's a nice way to live because I always say, this is like I'm all out of competing by the time I walk off the field you know I mean like yeah exactly my last job I competed perpetually for 11 years like I don't need to compete at stupid shit and I don't need to be like a hard oh when it comes to hey complimenting the guy from mississippi

state with the fucked up pants I will say the pants were fucked up yeah that's a look that I've never he likes the look he saw on Twitter above the kneecap is unique I would I would never fucking rock it because they're very interesting legs. Yeah, they're a little tight, but I mean, he's a fast guy. He's an outfielder. He's supposed to look fast. So let's do it.

So credit, if you're going to pull that look off, you better steal bases and not get caught. 100%. What's a big uniform no-no for you? For me, honestly, for me, is high pants. I can't do it. I got a really funny body. That's why I wear.

Like, I'm just proportionally not something something happened. Like, I don't know what the hell it is. My arms are super small and my legs are super small. Maybe it's because I'm not strong. I don't know. I always got to wear like loose pants and a three-quarter sleeve under my jersey just to, you know, hide myself from the fact that I look ridiculous. To feel together, I totally know what you mean. I had maybe some low-key body image issues in St. Louis. Do you remember I used to wear those loose sleeves? You know, there's just a bunch a big strong guys out there. Can you agree that our numerals,

and I say our, because we're all Wahoo's in here, that our numerals this year brought to us by the great Nike Incorporated were just so dopey. They put our script Virginia up by your Adams Apple, and our numbers, which are supposed to evoke thoughts of the straight lines and circles of the rotunda

looked just hideous, your thoughts. I'm going to be honest. I never really have written a number, and thought, let's make this look like a fucking building. Or that's never really been something I've been interested in. I didn't even know that it was supposed to be like the rotunda. You know, the front of the jerseys were a little rough with the spacing of where they decided to put Virginia.

I mean, I'm a hard nipple guy, so that really helped me out. I bring those up. But it was pretty, the most frustrating thing was taping the dot from the eye to my neck every game. Back up for a second, the hard nipple thing, expound. I don't know what it is about me. Like I said, weird body. You know, sometimes they're like puffier. You're in different climates all the time.

Totally. And your body's never going to fully adjust by the first day. So, you know, if I'm puffing out, it's, it's nice to know that there's a V over one and A over the other. I think so many guys can relate to this conversation. I just think so many guys are carefully choosing, you know, the graphic on their t-shirt, depending on what climate you're in and you know what you don't want is the soft nips with the pit stains out at the club that is that's college 101 that's walking into the bar saying hey everybody ignore me and make fun of me that's it's so true dude what about superstition man you a superstitious guy

i feel like all you guys are you were very yeah so i have to do everything left to right which is weird So like when it comes to putting my clothes on, I go, you know, left arm first, right arm, and then left sock, right sock. I used to have this superstition that every morning I would have to eat a McDonald's sausage egg and cheese me griddle before I pitched. In light of the fact that I was 280 pounds, I had to eliminate that ritual because as a relief pitcher, I didn't know what days I was throwing. So I would have to make the sacrifice and eat one of those every morning of every game day. I'm not even mad at you honestly because I just figure you're going to burn it off

but to your point you don't know if you're going to be like relieving somebody or not day to day the sticky stuff okay I just figure you got an opinion on it we don't you know you're a pitcher you pitch at a high level you're watching everybody take their pants off and show people their belt every night it feels like it's a new dance routine what's going on there and where do you stand on that I mean I think that the belt checks and everything like that's good for the game because you got to think, you know, a large viewership of the MLB is men. So, you know, if there's an opportunity for a professional baseball player to be hanging dogging at the field, I feel like that would, you know, influence a little bit more

female viewership. Yeah. I personally never used stuff because when my ball spins, it flattens out and then it gets shelled. So just because I'm a low spin rate guy. So the way it works is like the sticky stuff makes it spin more. Right. And if it's more, it does that shit where when you throw your fastball,

it looks like it's just going, it kind of looks like it's going up. If you have a low spin rate, your ball will sink more and it'll be kind of heavier. So I always like pitching on the low end side of things because if I have a high spin rate, it just gets flat. You went to Abstate out of high school, then UMBC, then UVA. When did the throwing your glove as far as you possibly can come into play? That's a cool move. Thank you.

I appreciate that. But the summer of 2017, I was pitching in the Cowherr-Ripkin League, which, you know, it's a summer ball league that it's not the highest level of competition. So it's like, you know, go out, get your work and have fun and shit. And we were in the championship game, and I closed out the game. And the last play of the game was a ground ball to first base where I had to cover first, which it was immaculate that I beat any runner over there because I'm it's my least favorite play in baseball. I think it should just.

But while I was running down, I got the ball, caught it, everything's fine, tied first, the kid's out, and he tried to slap my glove. I was pretty upset about it. And so I offered a few choice words for the individual about his integrity as a human being and mine and I threw my glove and said go get it baby boy I just kind of stuck with it one thing that came up a lot in the last week that you've spoken to length about was the NCAA stuff for people that have once you guys exited the tournament just went to sleep tell me what's going on and tell me what your take is so as shocking as this may be a lot of people have been watching the college world series college baseball boom in and naturally the NCAA thought hey

People haven't been saying anything about us lately. They're just talking about the team. So what we're going to do is we're going to blindside these motherfuckers and just bend them over a barrel and shaft them. So they did. And the fact of the matter is like everyone says, oh, if NC State just did protocols, just listen to protocols and none of this would have happened. And that's true because the NCAA tested vaccinated players, which was breaking the protocols.

So technically these people are right that if NC State. adhered to the protocols, nothing would have happened. But not the way that they think they mean. Yeah, exactly. So people are right, which is shogging because there's a lot of idiots out there, but they aren't right for the reasons they think. They're all, everyone's a health official now. I don't know if you guys.

Oh, yeah, this is a hospital. Did you know that? Yeah, pandemic broke out and then, you know, Harvard was just handing out medical degrees. I don't know if they have a medical system there. I don't know. I think they do probably. they have to Harvard has to they gotta have everything but yeah so dished all those people on

twitter and for some reason people think i give a shit what they think about code in my twitter so that's kind of roll with it you had another tweet uh having to do with beer the beer fridge thing what were you saying with that with that picture um i was saying that you know i may have gone out there on tv and admitted that i'm afraid of caves but some caves you know some things you know sometimes your fears are just hiding the good things that on the other side. I mean, think of the Goonies, for example. No, you're right. And that's one of my favorite caves.

We're going to fire a couple topics at you here. Diff and dots. There's a shortage because I tried to get some Dippin Dots today. Literally the only place in Charlottesville you can get them is in my cafeteria. So where do I find Dippin Dots in Cville? If you go to the 7-Eleven off Ivy Road, they have a little trainer. that you can get them in. Okay, I'm going there right after this.

Aliens, you want to talk to them about aliens? We've got to get this take on aliens. So the DOD just finally released their report on aliens. It's a nine-page article, and it basically says out of hundreds, there's hundreds we can't explain whatsoever, and they classify all of them. I'm personally a pro-aliant guy. Where do you sit on aliens? I think they definitely exist, but I also feel like they probably wouldn't care too much

to come down to Earth. They probably, I mean, everyone thinks about aliens and they're all futuristic and, like, they have hovercrafts and shit like that. I feel like every other alien population probably has a little bit better, so why would they waste their time? Why would you pick Earth to vacation?

I think they're here on safari, Steve, because I... It's not a vacation. I don't think, like, I don't think they're considering coming here. They came this far. Think of how good their technology is. They don't need anything we have.

Like, this is just another planet to them. Yeah, and they're just like, okay, look, this is, it's kind of like where the, where the panhandle floored to them, you know. Yeah, it's like, man, I'm going to head down to Orlando and we're going to drive right by it and probably not stopping there. Exactly. That's probably doing dope shit on like Mars or something. Exactly. If the aliens came down and you could make them watch one baseball player, who would it be? One baseball player?

probably Bartolo Colon. Oh, yes. Like, if this guy is one of their best athletes, then what the hell are the super fit guys like, you know? Yeah. Speaking of, in Bromaha, you ran into Michael Phelps. Does that fellow have a personality to him? Yeah, he was pretty interesting. I only talked to him for a few seconds, but he was holding this, like, metal sculpture of a dinosaur that, like,

I was really thrown off by that. Like I was like, hey, that's Michael Phelpson. What the fuck is that thing? You know, it just kind of blew my mind. What kind of dinosaur was it? Had to be a T-Rex. It was just a T-Rex, you know, basic. It's just a basic city dinosaur.

What's your favorite dinosaur? I really like Bronosaurus. I think they're dope. I like to imagine that they fight each other with their necks. I don't think they did though. They have a funny evidence, but I'm good, I'm good to go with that. They're strong and silent to me. Yeah, and I like that.

The sneaky killer. The sneaky killer. So Michael Phelps was cool. Who's the coolest person that you've noticed? Knows you exist. Because that was a moment for me when I got like, when people started recognizing me, I was like, oh, that person watches me play.

So, Dee Gordon, you DM me on Instagram and was like, he posted me on his story, like my interview, and messaged me and, like, said some really nice things. things. I was like, holy shit, you're Dee Gordon. Like, why do I own any area in your brain? Because Omaha, bro. Because Omaha. But now next, what is it for you? Because you obviously have a personality. You can do a lot of different things.

Do you want to keep playing baseball? Are you going to, you know, do some crazy content? What are you doing, man? Yeah, I honestly, I have no clue right now. I mean, I'm just a big go with the flow kind of guy, which, you know, a lot of people tell me, you know, be proactive, but I kind of like to just hang out. I would love for baseball to work out. I don't know what all the suits who decide whether or not I'm good or not come draft time are going to do. So I'm interested to see that, but I also want to just, you know, keep making

content and keep just putting funny stuff out there and making people happy. Do you think that you could handle, like if it didn't work out in the majors, like the big bigs, could you do like 15 years and double in AAA and have fun. I would definitely be able to have fun, but also that fun would come with so many stressful moments. It's just like not being able to afford things, kind of putting your life on hold. So I get way more excited for the debuts of the guys

who have been in the system for like 10 years than I do like the top prospects because like, you just know that they struggled so much to get to where they're at. So you just have a level of respect for them. well if you find yourself back here in charlottesville stephen come join us studio j studio j uh we can we can make some content we can bullshit around a little bit you know where to find us we are uh we are downtown here do you know where uh mose is margou spot yeah you look a little older than the average college kid so i figure you could

really get away with the downtown mall which is evidently where we met not amsterdam you know you know what's funny about the the afsterdam thing is i had this one fucked up jacket that I thought was cool for like a couple months, and you caught me in that window where the only time I ever remembered wearing it was Amsterdam, but evidently I wore it to Miller's too. It was a good-looking jacket. It wasn't that fucking.

Yeah, that was a decent looking. It was just a big chance for Charlottesville. It was a, we'll post it on a social or something so you can be the judge of the jacket. But for the second time, we've gotten to hang out. Definitely not a disappointment. Appreciate you so much for coming on and come back again, ma'am. Yeah, absolutely.

Thank you all for having me. I had a lot fun. Of course. Wahua, man. Wahooah. So that was fun. I mean, like, what a run for that kid, huh? And what a story arc between YouTube? Because as you told it to me, hey, I met this guy, Scooch, an Amsterdam.

Oh, bro, I was convinced I met him in Amsterdam. When really his name's Shock and it was Millers on the downtown mall. He told him the same thing about Amsterdam. Yeah, I was waiting for a photo of Amsterdam. Yeah, dude. He dropped Millers and I was like... Well, I was too. I was like, this is going to be an all-time.

we were both in Amsterdam. But whoever the fucking kids that look like shock in Amsterdam show yourself. The UVA did yeah. Admit it we met. I mean it's just like I was so sure I had pieced it together. I always go to Amsterdam

on the way to Killy. Well, anywhere I can stop on the way to anywhere in Amsterdam. I just like the city. It's not even about the marijuana. It's not either like people like make it this but you can't even I don't think I've gone in and bought any, I bought Reef for once in Amsterdam. It's not like as easy as they make it sound. But I stumbled into this bar and evidently it was pretty hazy because I thought I thought

big donkey was in there. But about like the kid, I think when you look back at this run, I think what makes like college runs like cool are the personalities. And so like having a kid that you remember, like I remember when he kept it loose and I think every team needs that, especially I'm sure baseball teams and him being an older guy. He looks like he could be like an uncle to some of these kids. I think he was perfect for him. Well, it allows all the other guys to focus on ball because there's a media scrum around the big donkey. In the Virginia team, four and 12 at one point in the ACSC,

despite being preseason top five. Rebounds, makes it all the way to the college world series. Low-key, maybe the toughest tournament to win in college sports, this baseball tourney. Hey, we're going to break down a football movie now. Necessary roughness. You've seen it? Nah, I'm going to peace.

Okay, well, you can peace out, and me and Ebert here, or are you Siskel. I don't know which one. We're going to break down necessary roughness and make will be back later in the week. Now, let's analyze what's been working for us. Working for us. Like this goddamn suit doesn't work for me.

And this stinking time, this goddamn shirt, it doesn't work for me. You know how to play winning hard-nose football? You play football like Engineer played football. A guy who gave his life for this football. He was a 140 pound halfback And he played like a goddamn wild man Do like a goddamn rampaging beast

And that's the way you're gonna do it You go out there You take that fucking heads off And you shit down their necks Let us break So yeah this is an after shock This is the segment after shock Yeah

I'm waiting to say that So we did remember the Titans last week Which objectively to me Kind of suck It was watchable but it kind of sucked. I wouldn't watch it a third time. That was the second time I'd ever seen the movie.

I won't watch it a third time. You won't talk me into it. No. Necessary roughness now. This week, I finished watching it this morning, okay? I enjoyed it. But it's,

it is what it is, right? Like the movie is not selling itself as being some, like, ultra-deep, thoughtful narration on college football. Correct. It is based on the, SMU scandal. So basically the plot of this movie,

Necessary Roughness if you haven't seen it, and there are spoilers coming. And I've never seen the movie. I was told, definitely got to watch it. Saw that it was like 33% on Rotten Tomatoes, which is not usually a good sign. But with a 90s movie like that, that's about football, it's supposed to be kind of a meatball comedy. It worked. It worked. You know, the plot moved from thing to thing. Yep. They didn't spend too much time on anything. There was a lot of things that were telegraphed, the whole nine yards. But the thing's based on SMU and the plot of the movie is listen, this

Texas state, and they look just like North Texas, this school has broken the rules. They've cheated. Yep, they need a cleanup man and they got this coach with the mustache who's... Who's like, clean as a whistle. He's the cleanup man. That's what they know him to be. Like the AD hired him

on site after an interview where they just drugged the school through the mud. The guy was shitting on the school and then the AD walked in. It was like the pony express 30 for 30. guy comes right off of that 30 for 30. He's like, you're my man. Yes, you're my man. Like literally, I don't care if you win a game,

but we just want to run a clean program. So we can have a program, which makes no sense, actually. Cost benefit analysis would tell you running college football programs, like, why just do it to do it? Anyways, it's based on SMU, and everybody remembers the sanctions when they got the death penalty in the late 80s.

So there is some truth to the movie, but it's not like, it's not a serious movie. It's not that good, but it's exactly what it was promised to be in my opinion. My opinion, it was, I appreciated it for the, I remember watching it in the 90s, and it was just a funny movie. It was a way, it was like the perfect airplane movie where you're like on an airplane to Hawaii or something and you got to pick something. It's not too long. It's not too big of commitment.

It's an hour 40 or whatever it is. It's mindless. You don't have to do any deep thought. You can chuckle at some stuff. And for me, it's all about Kathy Ireland. It is. And you had to wait exactly. Do you know how long to see Kathy Ireland?

I don't know. 61 minutes. Oh, my God. Yeah, it was like to celebrate an hour of necessary roughness, they brought Kathy Ireland on. Yeah. And by the way, like, immediately I was like, I remember getting that swimsuit issue. Oh my gosh, dude. But Kathy Ireland was unbelievable.

Probably still is. Like, listen, and she was much needed because the worst football scene in the whole movie was the kicker just drilling the offensive lines back with an extra point. I've always wondered what it feels like as the long snapper to get a, imagine like Greg the leg. Yeah. At like 50 when he's when he goes all in. Yeah. And he just happens to pipe that right up your butt.

I don't know. And the verbiage is interesting there. But yeah, I mean, like that definitely would hurt. And here was the thing about Kathy Ireland. I mean, like,

what? I mean, there's just a girl like that who can kick a football through the uprights. I mean, from an athleticist. It looks like that.

Like, it was just unbelievable. And you know, it was unbelievable about the whole movie. I get it's Texas, but you got beautiful. professor. You've got, remember the workout class? They were all dimes in that workout class. Everybody was in shape. Like literally, everybody was in shape. I know it was the 80s and people did a lot of like jazzercise and

ship. The rate on beautiful women in that class was hot. You pan across before you see them. And you know what? Here's the thing about talking about beautiful women in the early 90s. I can't get in trouble. It's not who they are anymore. So if my lovely wife's listen to this and I say, oh man, Kathy Ireland was a smoke show in necessary roughness. First is undeniable. But it's not that big a deal. That was 1991. She looks different now. The only thing that got me was the athleticism of her kicking the extra, the field. I think they played up her unathleticism, which I think was fucked up. Like, I think they made her try to look like laborious kicking that ball.

And like the kicks were great, but the run up to the kicks, I was like, oh no. Goofy. Yeah, yeah. But you know what? It's pretty cool. Some foreshadowing. We had a Vandy female kicker this year. Yeah. I mean, like, so we're there. I mean, that's exciting. Bateman, by the way, Jason Bateman's in this movie. And so it's like a very young Rob Schneider. Rob Schneider. You can see his SNL skit. Yes. Rob Schneider blew me away because young Rob Schneider had Miles Teller vibes. Yeah. And you could see like the later movies that Rob Schneider would do. And like his SNL skits, you can kind of see him in his, in his press conference. Like his, what do you call him? Yeah, well, he's so dry and so sarcastic. I mean, I remember the one time he's like,

He only had eight men to beat. Like, he was just shitting on the team. I, uh, but he was perfectly cast. Rob Schneider was perfectly cast before he was like Rob Schneider. Kathy Ireland was perfectly cast. And, you know, I thought the Samoan, Manu. Yeah. He's my favorite.

Like, listen, this movie was cast very well. Yeah. And there were a lot of likable characters. Whereas last week, remember the Titans, I was like, oh, this movie, like, it's hard to like anybody in this movie. Of course, it dealt with racism and that sort of thing. So, but Manu was one of my favorites. the coaches, okay? Yes.

The coaches were a strength of the movie. The coaches were a strength of the movie because they were the type of guys that you'd want to hang out with. They were like real football coaches, extremely dry, like great sense of humor. Like everything wasn't taken too serious.

Like there's this kind of like fatalistic air about being a football coach. Like just shit's going to go wrong, especially when you're coaching somewhere like Texas State and you've got to field a team of 17, kids who weren't on scholarship the year before because the program got essentially a death sentence. So they're out there recruiting kids. They're going to, uh, what's his name's how?

Scott Bacula. Scott Bacula. Is that how you say his name? I think, but. Is it Bacula or Bacula? I think it's Bacula. I don't know. Count Bacula was out there in the field.

Blue 32, Blue 32 hitting a fucking scarecrow. I mean, he was like he was Uncle Rico. He was Uncle Rico personified. But the thing that. that struck me was when I was like, oh my god, my daughter has been into NCIS New Orleans. Yeah. And I'm looking at him there and there. And I'm like, that's where he is.

Yeah. Now, dude hasn't aged. He looks the same. No, he hasn't aged. And you know, it was funny about the thing. I think he was, he said he was 34, but he was probably about 37 if I did the math correctly, looking it up. At first, like all these other football movies, I'm like, oh, fuck, is Scott Bacula going

to be like, is he going to be like the Gary Burtier of the world where they're just trying to sell you on the fact that this 35 year old is in college or, like, or, Like, you know, our guy, any of those guys from Remember the Titan, they were way old. We talked about that. No, it made sense. He was a washed up, but like prolific quarterback from at that point the 80s that played high school football, nothing beyond it because his dad died. So they go out to recruit him. One of the best lines was maybe you should just be a 34-year-old quarterback.

It should stay here with all your high school trophies. That was the classic 90s. Like, I'm going to change your mind on a big life decision with just one bar. Yeah. And then the guy just sits there and looks down at his boots. And you know the wheels are turning. And at that point, you know he's convinced him. People were so easy to convince a shit in the 90s, bro, movies.

Like, it was just unbelievable. This guy's like, no, I'm happy here on the farm. I don't want to go, like, get C's easy. Like, who's going to take care of the farm while you're doing a dorm? But in actuality, that's the best thing you could have done. He was single, right? Presumably no wife. He was just a farmer.

Like, why wouldn't you want to go to college? He never got to go to college in the first place. This is like Nate Boyer, who's my buddy who's a green beret, you know all about him, went to play at Texas at like 30. He was Scott Bacula because he was out, you know, defending our country, came back, and was like, I want to play college football. What I was saying about the coaches was they're perfect because they were terrible football coaches, but they were perfect football coaches off the field. They were like the type of coaches you want to get a beer with. And they had a great relationship unlike Denzel and the other guy last week. Yeah.

I mean, boom. O and D. Oh, and D. They had it split down the middle. They had very contrasting styles and personalities. You had the one guy who was in Scarface. Remember, he was the Cuban kingpin in Scarface. And now he was the D-Corpsinator.

I didn't realize that. And then you had another guy with a mustache. It looked like he could have been in a Bronx tail and anything else in between, but somehow they found themselves in Texas. The other guy was actually in a princess diary. Oh, oh, oh, oh. He was the assistant to the queen of whatever that.

That's where I was like, why do I know this? like damn kids. They've like, kid movies have filled up too much of my brain now. But they, but they did have that dryness about them that was perfect for college football coaches or any coaches. Like after the heart attack, quote unquote, before the last game, uh, Wally comes in and introduces himself like he, like he didn't recognize them. Like the joke was that you're really fucked up. Even though he thinks he had a heart attack, he's busting the guy's balls. Like that's, that's football coaches. Uh, he said, I charge these flowers to your room. Like, that's football coaches. You know, I thought they were funny, but they had no discipline.

on their team. Everybody's helmets was unbuckled during practice. Like the terminology, fly pattern right. They said fly pattern right like seven times. Yeah. Like they ran out of routes in the script. Like, but they weren't going to teach 17 kids. They've never played football before a whole tree. I know, but the least you can do. I'm sure they could have been drawing it up in the sand. It would have been believable. Yes, but you, when you draw shit up in the sand, you don't have quadruple coverage in the words of Rob Snyder on one end of the field. If you can see the quad coverage on one side of the field from the press box and you're Rob Snyder like those kids should be able to know the basics and he didn't even get them lined up we were doing a headbutting drill

they were just doing a headbutting drill in practice bro we used to do the headbutting thing me and James Laronitis before games to try to wake up like on the sideline and by late in my career I was like this is a bit ritualistic and not as cool as it seemed when I was 23 maybe I should stop there was a guy named Chuck Cecil he was a man of a like just torpedo free safety in the 80s, played for Green Bay. They damn near outlawed this motherfucker. He was one of our coaches on Jeff Fisher's staff, and he loved to do the headbutt thing. He would run up after me and James Laronitis headbutted, grab me by the face mask,

and headbutt me. And one time he started bleeding. Are you serious? Right before a noon game at the Edward Jones Dome is so good. There were no cameras. Like nobody was paying attention. Thank God because he would have gone viral with a streak of blood coming down his face. But that was the type of 80s shit that was going on in that practice.

I mean, but to your point on the coaches, one of my favorite scenes was the bar fight. Bar fight was good. It was very like cliche college. Like the sheriff comes in and cleans it up. They didn't do that in Virginia. Like they the local police weren't looking out for us if we got into trouble. And Dean Elias was the classic douche. Oh, he was perfectly, perfectly, perfectly cast as the classic doucheback. Classic douche. Shows up all happy. Which by the way, like how fucked up was his whole like leveraging his position at the school with the teacher hitting on the the quarterback yeah it was bad and they were kind of like oh that's a joke it also

shows how far we've come yes in 30 years but I just thought the self-respect speech was weak they were kind of laissez fair about everything you let a player play with no pads they let simbad just eat veggies a guy's out there doing kung fu shit they're like whatever whatever goes but that's what I like they they knew they were a fucked up situation they were institutionalized these coaches any coach would turn down that job but coaches get institutionalized and they can't not coach football. Yeah. They miss it too much.

So that's what I took that relationship and that decision making and taken that job to be. God, that kung fu scene. It was unbelievable. It was unbelievable. What was the one where, wasn't it, who was in the NFL drop kick somebody once? Oh, I think it was an accident, quote on quote. It was a wide receiver, I want to say.

Do you guys remember a drop kick? Antonio Brown. Antonio. Kicked the punter. Yes, dude. It was exactly like that. And then the official in the last game was like, which I thought was actually pretty funny.

There were a few really good lines in this movie. He said, Takatami and sword block to the, never mind. He went through this whole thing, dude. And he was going through every name of, yeah, he was like sidekick, blah, blah, blah. That cracked me up.

But the best line and maybe my favorite scene, I don't know about you, was when the prisoners came up. It was so short and so out of place, but they made those guys look like fucking just the scariest people. Jim Kelly had a do-rag on. Jim Kelly had a do-rag on. You had Dick Buckus who acted as well as anybody in the movie.

Well, in that scene, he's like, he's like, gentlemen, it's nice to be on your field. Yeah. Since it's your home field, why don't you have ball first? And you're like, how's this going to play out? But it was perfect, like the comedic element to it was great. And he acted it so well. And they really just beat the shit of those guys in the last. Before the snap even came.

So I'm like, oh, we're going to actually play. And then before the snap, they're beating the shit out of everybody. They're just beating them up. And Herschel Walker, it's amazing, looking back at that cat and being like, oh, he totally lost his mind. And I could see it in his stare. Like, he totally lost his mind in the last like five years, right? And in 1991, I could see it in his eyes. He was just, he was a little off.

I mean, the craziest most prophetic fucked up thing. I don't know if you caught this was Holyfield saying, I swallowed a finger out there. I did. And he still had to eat. He still had his ear. Yeah. That was 91. Yeah.

That was weird. I caught that. The best line was Sinbad lining up. I believe you're all innocent, man. I truly do. I mean that. I mean that. So I love that scene.

I love seeing Jason Bateman. He delivers lines just like he does now on Ozark. Yeah. Well. Arrested development. Yeah. Oh, just, yeah. I mean, he's been the same, like he is.

So his, he's been able to be in so much stuff. And his dry kind of humor and like his ability to like say a, say kind of like a, like he just, he's funny without him trying to be funny. No, I mean, it's hilarious. He's bone dry. He's bone dry and he delivers the same line. He delivers a line on necessary roughness that sounds just like the line on Ozark. But you can use it for two totally different things.

I got to see sounds like I buried him in the backyard. You know what I mean? Like so I was really happy to see Jason Bateman. Loved Manu. We talked about Manu. By the way, Manu's name is Peter Tuyasasopo. He was actually undrafted with the Cardinals in the 80s and then played during the strike season

for three games as a center. So kind of a little reality, or art imitating reality for that cat, like he's been a replacement. He was a replacement there. And by the way, this movie was the replacements before it was the replacement. It was on a college campus.

That's all it was. That was playing on Hulu or something last night and I was like, And it was just, I saw a fleeting image of Keanu and I was like, I wonder if that's gonna be Yeah, one of the ones we'll do. No, we gotta do the replacements. I'm really looking forward to doing the replacements,

North Dallas 40, the whole nine yards. I do want to say the locker room fight, there was a crossroads for this team. They were 0 in 5, and then they wanted to tie or win a game. So they were at the crossroads. And I think they lost actually the seven straight game and they go in the locker room and some guy tells another guy to bang an armadillo or something.

It's like the weird lines that people use in movies. But the guys just start swinging on each other, and it gets broken up so fast. And this, like, preceded the bar fight too, so they had a bunch of fights. And a lot of times, I think fights do actually bring teams together. The fight was ridiculous in that they got over it so fast. If you fight in the locker room,

like you throw punches at each other, dudes aren't going to be over it that fast. You know, it's going to take a day or two. So you're saying you can fight in the field. It's one thing. But when you fight in the locker, locker room, that's a whole other thing. When you fight in the locker room, it becomes like it's spilled over and it's a bit more like

man-to-man-man-d-o player. You're now outside the lines. But I always looked at it like, hey, if you got in a scuffle or you were watching two guys getting a scuffle, you tried to, coaches always say, tried to say, don't take it off the field. And I totally get that. But if you're fighting somebody on the field, to me, there's always the risk that it comes off the field. If you're punching somebody in the face, it already is personal.

Yeah. And we had a fight in college that was like in the locker room and our, and our, you know, season did like take off from there you know like so I mean it happened right in the locker room and and dudes that are very tight now or we're punching each other in the face and you know it takes three four days to get over something like yeah but eventually when you do maybe if your team's built right and you have the right leadership you can come out on top and you can actually get something from it and in this very silly movie I like you know a lot of football movies it's

It's either 10 and O or O and forever, but you win or tie the last game. Yep. And I like the buildup of the last game. I thought they were probably going to have them lose the game in some like, hey, it's okay. Or tie. You know, like fashion. But they, and by the way, they tied Kansas. You were tying games and shit back in the day?

I didn't think it was a thing. I didn't think it was a thing either. But the final game, how about the win or I'll die quote that Wally came in there with to talk about the coach who had. indigestion. Intigestion. I mean, that was legitimately a funny part. So I give the movie credit where credits do.

It was funny. It was mindless. It moved along. Perfect airplane movie for me. I'll give it a five out of ten where I gave Titans like a four out of ten. But it's almost on a different scale because it's self-evident this movie's right in the middle. Yes. You know?

So I'm calling it the perfect airplane movie. I'd give it a five or six out of ten. In that on an airplane with no other options, besides like a litany of other, you know, mindless movies. I'd select it. Absolutely would select it. And by the way, Philly Special to win, I think, some sort of Philly Special. That's what they did to score that touchdown.

And then they run another trick play. Well, and then you have the flashback to the beginning farm scene and the number. Oh, yeah, which is just corny, cliche. Perfect football stuff. But throw it so hard that the guy can't knock. It just make, turn his, turn the catch into a sucker. chest wound so that he can't really not catch it. Somebody was throwing that game because there's no way they have that much time to

throw just because in the second half, Wally told him he needs at least four seconds to throw back there, Paul, which by the way, golly, I'd love to play in the 90s and the 80s. It took four seconds to get a sack. Another thing is, like with no adjustments, 55 was literally humping Paul, the entire first half. Well, so some of the early sacks were like a quarter of a second. Oh yeah, dude. It was like they just let him run free.

It was like when the racist, the, yeah, the David Duke of the Remember the Titans team, just let somebody go hit our guy from the wire. Yep. You know, it was just like that, except they were like, why are you mad at Paul? And all Wally had to say was give him more time. The adjustments were pissed more. They went from a quarter of a second to four seconds. I could go on.

But next. It wasn't about the football. Next movie, what should we watch? You pick. It's fun for me to go back and visit these. I want to see a good movie. I want to watch North Dallas 40. I've never seen it.

Okay, let's watch North Dallas 40 next. Got it. Book it. Done. Okay. Oh, can I say one more thing? Best part of the movie, most ridiculous part of the movie, was when Manu hit number 55 at the end of the game,

and he started bleeding profusely out of his mouth immediately, like during the play. I'm just telling you, I have never seen a more ridiculous scene in a football. movie. Didn't he knock his mask off or something? Bro, I'm just telling you there was like dark red blood, which dark red blood I think means it's been there for a while. It's like coming. Everybody knows that's like Clotty Blood. Like my man had like Clotty Blood. He had a leader of Clotty blood on his chin within half a second of Manu hitting him. There has never been somebody hit that hard on a football field that bleeds that number 55. But he had it coming to him. He did have it coming. I didn't

noticed the color of the blood. Manu was an all-star. He was the best character in the movie. Yeah. I was rooting for him to get more than a kiss on the cheek from Kathy Ireland. But you know what? Manu was so cool. I was fine with him. He was just there to be supportive. I was hoping for where are they now? I think we do it. I think they need a reboot with Manu and Kathy Ireland. Where are they now? I was hoping. I was hoping for where are they now married. They're married. Yeah. They're married. Right with like they're living in Samoa. They're married. with 11 children it's fucking awesome yeah but we didn't get it where are they now peter tuia sasopo deserves kathy ireland 100% cleared out that shower for her

he was a towel rack yeah y'all take care