Green Light with Chris Long - Any Given Sunday Movie Review with Howie Long! Stories from the LA Raiders of the 90s & from the Sets of Firestorm & Broken Arrow

Episode Date: July 6, 2023

(1:57) - Chris, Howie and Dr. Fax talk about where Montana ranks among best states in the US, Any Given Sunday's near perfect football scenes and Howie Long's stories from filming Firestorm and Broken Arrow (29:38) - Favorite scenes from Any Given Sunday, Willie Beamon's football talents, Lawrence Taylor's acting chops and Al Pacino's unforgettable speech This podcast is brought to you by Cash App. With multiple tools for saving, spending, and sending, Cash App is the easy way to stay in control of your money. Cash App is a financial platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App's bank partner(s). Have some interesting takes, some codebreaks or just want to talk to the Green Light Crew? We want to hear from you. Call into the Green Light Hotline and give us your hottest takes, your biggest gripes and general thoughts. Day and night, this hotline is open. Green Light Hotline: ‪[phone]‬ Send any Talent Search submissions to: [e-mail] Include any video of your talents, takes and bits as well as a little bit about yourself. Love hearing from the Green Light fans. Also, check out our paddling partners at paddleva.com to get your canoes, kayaks and paddleboards so you're set to hit the river this summer. Green Light Spotify Music: https://open.spotify.com/user/951jyryv2nu6l4iqz9p81him9?si=17c560d10ff04a9b   Spotify Layup Line: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1olmCMKGMEyWwOKaT1Aah3?si=675d445ddb824c42   Green Light Tube YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/GreenLightTube1   Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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That'll be sure to change your look for the better. When you wear Oakley, there really is. more than meets the eye. Don't trust me. Try for yourself. I've worn a lot of sunglasses brands in my life and I can assure you Oakley is not only the best looking, but the best quality out there. Head on over to oakley.com, O-A-K-L-E-Y, for more information today. Welcome to the Green Light podcast. We welcome Howie Long back in the studio, J-2-day for another movie recap. It's any given Sunday, a movie that Howie was almost in, in one that he essentially lived in terms of playing with the Raiders in the 90s. Chris Howie and Dr. Fax

talked about their favorite scenes, their favorite characters. The legendary stories that came from this movie, I mean, everything about it was ridiculous. I'm sure you'll walk away from this conversation learning something. Howie also goes in depth on his movie career and tells some great John Woo's stories. Y'all please enjoy this. We will be back on Tuesday next week. Having a blast. Chris might be checking in, so make sure you tune in. I figured it'd be a good time to start the show with this. I mean, y'all know I'm on vacation. I'm in Montana.

Some of these shows you're hearing have been taped previously. They've been banked. We did these movie things. We're going to do any given Sunday today. You might have already heard varsity blues. We're having fun doing this shit. So I get different combinations of people in. Today I get Dr. Fax and my dad,

which is a great combination. We've done this combo before. This team plays well with each other. But you guys sat down and Nate's, coming out to visit me in Montana this year. So dad asked, have you been to Montana before? Dad forgot that like a decade ago, Nate came through, did some paddle boarding,

loved it. Fast forward to 2023, we do a draft on this show, Dad, of overrated and underrated states. He said Montana? Overrated. You did? Oh my God.

That's like sacrilegious. That's how I feel. Wow. Wow. But he's coming out in like three weeks. You panicked? And to upset Chris, I said Montana. So you admit it because dad's here that you were just trying to upset me.

But you know, people from Montana love when you say Montana sucks because they don't want you to move there. I realize that in the mentions. People in the comments were like, yep, no, nothing to see here. No, but I love Montana. I brag about, like, I brag about the fact that I've been there, I've been in Flathead Lake, and I actually paddleboarded. It's like an ocean. Yeah. And people, you know, the funny thing is people do, like Chris said, people say, hey, look, don't tell

anybody. Don't tell anybody. You know, you wouldn't know, at 28 mile lake, 15 miles wide. You can see 15. You know, the conventile divide to the bottom. Runs along the whole east shore of the lake and we're looking right at it. Yeah. But it sucks.

So if you're listening out there. Terrible. The water's cold. Yeah. People are, if you get these three things down, you can live. in Montana. Yep, nope, and you bet you. Yeah, pretty much. If you get those three things down. Yep, nope, you bet you. To the point. And then you work on it. Yep. Nope. You bet you. So we'll say hello to Pulse in Montana.

Yeah. Montana. Hello. Hello. All right, cool. We're talking about any given Sunday today. my background with the movie is you know I'm 14 years old so I have no frame of reference of what pro football is like and I don't even remember if I watched it front to back you know like dad told me plenty of what football was about he also said the movie was like

loosely based on some of the things he was familiar with watching it back I thought it was really ambitious really fucking long and like well acted by almost everybody in the movie, but the sum of the parts didn't add up. You know, it's a good movie.

It's easy to watch. It's fast-paced, but it felt like it was like a big, ambitious swing at this thing. And it was going to be hard to stick the landing. They almost did. It's a pretty good movie. What were your thoughts, Nate? Kind of similar to yours.

I think looking back at when that movie was put out in 1999, you think about it being two and a half hours. For us doing this, um, this exercise, I watched it twice, but it took me about four days to watch it. You watched it twice? Yeah. Why did you watch it twice? Why not?

Like, I want to go through like, like, it's a lot to take it. It's a, it's a busy film. That's a lot of plots. There's 3,000 fucking cuts in the movie. Yeah. IMDB has a 3,000 cut. Okay. like it's just like bang bang bang and every time you watch it just like you're saying how many cuts are

there in a john wick movie oh i mean he's killing yeah it's probably like cuts in john wick probably a lot but just like you're saying every time you watch it you notice and you see certain things every time that that you're kind of like wait this doesn't really every time i watch the movie this week it's like it's like hey this doesn't really make sense um but you wonder like when they're making these films and they're going through editing, they're just like, y'all, this is going to let things ride because of the action, or they don't really care about the plot, or did they just miss it?

But overall, I think it was great, and then me realizing that now the character is, like, being older and being like, oh, this is this person, oh, this is that person. Yeah, Jim Brown, LT. But more, no. Y Tittles in the movie. No, Jesse from Saved by the Bell is the...

I didn't see Saved by the Bell growing up, Really? Yeah, no, you didn't know that? She's Mandy Murphy. Okay. In the movie, she's the, she's the hooker, the escort. We didn't allow that in her house to say by the bell. Really?

Yeah, I didn't know. I didn't know what saved by the bell is. I thought you're like, you know what hookers in the house. It's like, yeah, well, that went without saying. But overall, I thought it was a great movie. I really enjoyed the football scenes. Believe it or not, I'm trying to think if any movie to date really, like, compares to the football scenes in this movie.

I think the sound, whatever they did with the sound, they did a real good job. And like, you see a lot of football movies and you're just like, even like with the varsity blues thing, you're just like, I don't know, and certain hits and sounds and grunts and cracks. I think they did a real good job of it. Well, we just talked about varsity blues

and that the budget there was 15 mil. The budget on this film was $55 million. And at that time, $55 million is like 100 mil. It's a lot of money. And there's some great actors and actresses in the movie. And there's also great players in the movie. And I think they had access to the best information on what pro football was.

We could debate whether they missed the landing strip on some of it. But, you know, when it comes to knowledge of how to play out a realistic football scene, I thought they did a great job. The plays felt real. and I would argue that making a football movie, if you have the budget for it, is easy, you know, with all the extras, I mean, it's a lot of people,

and it's a lot of people that, you know, you never heard of. And like with varsity blues, it was they had four out of five of the offensive line or former offensive linemen that play. So they know what they're doing. And it's really hard for a fan to critique a football movie

from a technique standpoint. You know, a basketball movie, I can tell if somebody's jump shot looks like shit. The reason Puff Daddy wasn't in this movie is because you couldn't throw a fucking ball. Like supposedly somebody on set, so he threw like a girl and they sent him home on the plane. You know, like quarterback's tough to emulate, but the blocking. Jamie Fox did a good job. Yeah, he did.

The blocking, the running, except he's 5'9, he probably couldn't. Maybe he'd be like Bryce Young. But like it's you can recreate that. There's enough former football players who need a check and you've never heard of that you can throw into a movie. and I thought they did a really good job of that football action. I thought the football action was as good as it gets. Yeah. And I think there's a number of reasons for that.

I think one, Oliver Stone probably trusted the people that were in place. The stunt coordinator is a guy by the name Alan Graf, who played at USC, who's worked on tons of films. As a matter of fact, I worked with him on Broken Arrow. Great guy, knows football. USC guy, the whole thing. Did you blame him for you breaking your rib on set? No, you know, I was jumping from one train to another,

and we did it like nine times. Wait, I thought it was the dock that you broke the roof. Oh, no, I broke my, that was on Broken Arrow. That was on Firestorm, right. Firestorm, I hit a patch of black ice, and explosions were going off behind me as I'm running down the dock. No shit. And I want to stop at the end of the dock

because it's November in Canada. Yeah. And I don't want to be in the water. Yeah. So I go to stop, my feet go up in the air, and I've got this axe on my hip. Yeah. And the axe goes up and breaks my rib. Yeah.

Wait, wait. So you did, you did all your own stunts and move. No, I didn't do all my own stunts. I didn't do any of the motorcycle stunts because I didn't have drive a motorcycle. Yeah, and plus. But the rest of the rest of the I did. Do you remember your double? Oh, like Danny Winning.

Yeah. And plus. Did he really look like you? He did look kind of like him. He's like, uh, not quite. He was like, at a distance. You know, he was, he was leaner. same size.

Flat top. You know, they gave the flat top and all that. And ironically enough, two days before principal photography started on Firestorm, he took little Howie around a parking lot in Whistler up in Canada on his motorcycle. Because he was going so slow, he hit a patch of gravel, the bike slid out, how he had a spiral fracture going up his leg, how he had a cast from here down to his toe. It was nasty. The cast weighed more than how he did.

Did you see the bone? I saw the spiral fracture. You saw it? No, you don't see it. No, but you didn't see. There wasn't a compound. No, it wasn't a compound fracture. You watched this happen?

Yes, we saw it happen, and you're up in Whistler, and here we are in an SUV, and we're scrambling to get to a hospital. I don't know where to go. Yeah. But, you know, it ended up working out well, But I worked with Danny Wanen a number of times, good guy. You were also tight with one of the stunt guys and the Predator, Henry Kinji.

Henry Kinjee, classic great guy. And he's like in everything. Like once you know the guy doing the stunts, you know where Arnold goes down. You'll see him in every movie. When Arnold goes down, he kind of army crawls down the hill and there's a pickup truck for whatever reason that has some kind of a belt that's running on a loop. He cuts the belt. Henry Kinjee's the guy that runs and jumps into the pickup truck and blows up. Henry was always the guy that did all the stunts.

But I thought, getting back to any given Sunday, I thought the football stuff was so realistic, as realistic as you can get. I mean, there were a lot of football players. They had a lot of former players. They had a lot of probably B-level players who were available. I think the thing that always gets me about the movies, and it was the same thing with North Dallas 40. Where are these parties they go to?

I mean, I played for the Raiders. I played for the Raiders. Guys disappeared two, three days at a time. I've never seen a party like that. It also never looked at glamorous. Like, we've all been at NFL parties, and I'm not speaking for you, but like there's some seedy, gross shit going on.

There's people acting up. It's out of control at times. But it's never as coordinated as that LT party. And that's what I like. And that's what I saw on a car in half. Yeah, I mean, come on. I said in my notes, the only thing I can chalk it up to not being at a party like this is that I'd never end those than Coke. And maybe like guys who have parties like that.

Yeah. Like that happens. But like the doing the lines off of females and just. Yeah. Like it's now. I feel like this maybe maybe this movie is the reason why people think this type of. I do think this movie. As ambitious and at times, like, as well as the try went, like, taken on these issues,

it also, like, made us look bad in some way. You know, like, you know, it just, the thing about it was, an NFL locker room, yeah, there's three guys on every team that act like the guys in this movie. But there's also, there's 50 guys that are, like, normal, they're going home, they're going to chap. Yeah. They're like, they're good parents. They have like stable marriages.

And it's Miami. You know, like most NFL franchises are not in a place like Miami. So I thought the partying was a little bit unrealistic. The tension with the owner, with coach, and Al Pacino, I thought he was extraordinary in it. I thought he did a great job. And really, I thought captured the whole, the essence of the locker room, the speeches and all that. And trying to reach the player on the field, particularly Jamie Fox. I got a call on the film, and I never considered it for a couple of reasons.

One, I was like, you know, I don't really want to go do a football movie. Two is part of the movie was based on the book, It's Just a Bruse, written by Rob Heisinga, who was an internist fresh out of med school at Harvard with us, with the Raiders. and he was just shocked at, you know, how our whole medical process took place. And Dr. Rosenfeld was the doctor that he was kind of budding heads with. And we had a philosophy. And hey, listen, you know, here's the way I look at it. I like Dr. Rosenfeld.

Dr. Rosenfeld had a job, and I knew what his job was. His job was to get us on the field. you shot a lot of players up in those days and you made a lot of decisions for yourself as a player I made those decisions you know Dr. Rosenfeld didn't say get on the field you have to get on the field at the end of the day I make the decision

there was one one situation that was really botched and mishandled was I felt like I strained my calf my calf something popped at the Coliseum playing Miami I'm on Dwight Stevenson down on the nose double reduce. I remember it like it was yesterday and and that first step

where you and bang, something goes in your calf. And they, we were, for two weeks, we were draining it and draining it and they were telling me it's just a bruise and, you know, that's the title of the book. It's just a bruise. So I get an MRI and you could only see the team doctor at that time in the NFL. No second opinion. No second opinion is nothing. So you got what information he wanted to give you. What ended up happening was I didn't get the information on the MRI. So I go to the same breakfast place I stop at every day, get a full breakfast, pull into the facility.

They tell me I got to rush to the hospital. I have a blood clot in my calf. I wake up with a 10-inch zipper on my calf and there's virtually no calf. And you've got no calf now. Right. Right. One of your calves is like. Yeah.

Well, it's a 10-inch zipper. Yeah, it's like totally deflated compared to the other one. Was Rob Heisinga supposed to be James Woods? No, Dr. Rosenfeld was James Woods. The young doctor was Rob Heisinga. And Rob Hezenga was, I liked him. It's funny because he was a wrestler in college. And to give you kind of an idea of what the organization was like at that time,

I'll never forget we were in the training room. And he was telling me he was an All-American wrestler in college, but obviously not in the same weight class. So at that time, you know, I feel like I'm bulletproof. I said, okay, put me in your best move. And we're in a training room, there's just two or three of us in the training room. He puts me in his best move. I'm starting to throw him around.

And an executive walks in, he picks up a scalpel because we had this magnetic thing. And it was stuck to him. He grabs a scalpel and says, don't ever touch him. If you touch him again, I'll f*** stab you. it's a lot easier to get doctors than it is all pro-defense of us. I was kind of one of the... And we both kind of like, didn't you mean you'd fire me? Yeah, that's crazy.

That happened. What about, were there any guys in the movie characters that reminded you of anybody you play with? I would say probably Lawrence. You know, I mean, Lawrence is... You seem most realistic. Yeah, Lawrence was the most realistic. And, you know, Lawrence was...

I don't want to say that was Lawrence because I didn't play with Lawrence and I don't I don't have that kind of perspective. But I mean from the on the outside looking in, Lawrence went to a place mentally that very few players get to. You know, he from, it's like Ronnie Lott, Ronnie Lott, you know, when it buckled up. Ronnie's one guy here and he's another guy when it buckles up. You know, I remember just putting Ronnie's chin. strap back on in the huddle he's just so knocked out yeah you know he really was and we're what an extraordinary guy runny lot is as good a man as you'll ever run into so what are your favorite sports movies before we get into the rest of the film you know i it's interesting because it's like

with this film is it the best football movie i don't know i you know there are a lot of movies that i go back to, you know, and they might not be the best from a directorial standpoint or a cinematic standpoint or the realism. I love Cinderella Man. One of my favorites, I've, Russell Crowe was great in it. I love the story of the Depression, it's a historical piece. Rocky, for obvious reasons. When it came out, your mom and I were at Villanova, and it was an amazing. amazing film, and Carl Wethers played for the Raiders. So North Dallas 40 to me, from what was being asked of the players physically, mentally, you know, what you had to do to get yourself on the field to play at that time. It was a different time. Things were done differently.

I thought Nick Nolte was amazing in the film. I thought he, and he based that character on Freddie Blitnikoff, ironically enough. And you could see it. If you go back and watch North Dallas 40, he is Freddie Blitnikov. Now, I'm not saying he was Freddie Blitnikov off the field, but the way he captured the physical toll that it takes on you and the mental toll. And I thought he did a great job. Mack Davis, who I don't remember being in any other films, was the quarterback, and I

thought he did a great job. John Matusack, a teammate of mine, was in the movie. movie and was the prototypical cartoonish football guy, 6-8-2-95 in the movie. But there was one scene in the locker room that he just nailed it. It was talking about, you know, you tell us it's a game and then it's a business. And he went into this rant. If you go back and watch North Dallas 40, I think we will. It's one of the most poignant scenes in the movie.

but Nick Nolte's walk in the morning that, you know, when you're beat up and you're, you know, you've broken everything you can break and you've had, you know, the surgeries are approaching double digits and those first three steps on your way to take a leak in the morning. Fucking mystery. You just don't know how those first three steps are and things are cracking and your back's locked up and you can't move and people can't understand. You're in that condition and on Tuesday they're saying to you, we need 80 snaps out of you this weekend.

And you're thinking yourself, how in God's name am I going to play? Usually you feel worse on Tuesday than Monday somehow. Yeah. Like it just, it just happens that way. Hey, Matt, question for you. Is this Oliver Stone's last good movie? I think so. It's probably my second favorite movie of his.

I really like Wall Street that he did in the late 80s. But yet, he hasn't really had a ton of super successful movies since this. But it is interesting that, you know, we all love this movie. The critics didn't. only 52% positive critic reviews, but the audience score is 73%. So once again, don't trust the law. They didn't know what to do with it. I also think this, like the NFL didn't know what to do with it. Like suppose the NFL was all like into giving them film and that sort of thing. And then when they found out what the movie was about, they were like, nah, and we're going

to include this in the preseason meetings and tell everybody like don't associate with anybody who's doing this movie. Errol Owen still went into the movie. But it makes sense because Oliver Stone's known as like a conspiracy theorist. So the NFL really didn't want to get. Yeah. With that. No question. He wakes up in the morning thinking conspiracy. Breakfast is a conspiracy.

Hey, one more thing, man. Like, what was being an actor like? I mean, you know, like, is there anything that would surprise me that you haven't told me? You know, when you play football, you're on a team, you're accountable to everybody around you. And, you know, I thought Kurt Russell was great in miracle. one of the other films. And he's a guy worked with and in 3,000 miles to Graceland

with Kevin Costner. I thought those guys were like athletes. Kurt Russell, Kevin Costner were like athletes. They're accountable. John Travolta was cool. When you're on a $50 million film like Broken Arrow was, they asked me to come and I was supposed to be there

two weeks, three weeks. And then I got to call your mom and say, John Wu keeps coming in my trailer and saying, we make you bigger, John Wayne. She said, you John Wayne. And the next thing, I know I'm there three months. And you guys are home, you know, putting ramps, putting ramps down by the pool and riding bikes into the pool.

And there's only so much you could do over speakerphone. You know, I would say it can be kind of, you know, and I don't know if John even remembers this, but we were driving down the road in a chase scene in the middle of, you know, somewhere in Utah. And there's nothing out there in a Hummer, and I'm driving. And, you know, in between scenes, there's a camera truck in front of us. And John says, he says, between takes it. I'm like, I'm all business.

You need me for 15 hours. I'm here for 15 hours. And fine, fine, fine. He says, how's your energy, Howie? And I said, I'm good. You know, I mean what I'm going to say? I'm tired. He said, no, I'm good.

He said, you know what? I think we need some cookies. And we're out in the middle of nowhere. I mean, nowhere. He radios up on the walkie-talkie to the truck in front of us. He tells them we need cookies. So on a Hummer, the center console is probably this big. Yeah.

And he has the chopper that's on the set, go to God knows where to get cookies in the middle of nowhere. Were they good? Oh, they were, you know, pepperage farm, you know, assorted cookies. So we've got a tray of cookies here. Yeah. You know, that's the kind of thing where if you did that at foot, it's not going to happen.

It's not going to happen. Hey, you know what? I need a cookie. Yeah. Let's stop. But John, John cut a big hole in the water and he was good to people on the set. He was good to me and it's fun to be in a $50 billion film. Yeah. Same thing with Kevin Costner.

He was great. They were all great. Yeah. How'd that feel to kind of get called up? Like you're sort of inexperienced at that point. In experience? No experience. The first time I'm on the set, I walked on the set and they miced me up and that was it.

Was that like surreal that he started giving me the thing? It was kind of surreal. But you know what? when I came into the NFL and I, you know, I got drafted by the Oakland Raiders, those first 20 or 30 steps on the field were a lot like those first 20 or 30 steps onto the set because I, you know, I hadn't played in anything. You played in much bigger college football environment than I did. So, yeah.

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the first when willie beeman first gets in and he throws up I feel like that's like culturally like iconic Drake raps about it in a song like a lot of people use it as reference now and it's something that I feel like They do? Being, yeah, being a football player,

we can kind of like all relate to, like, whether it's nerves. I've definitely thrown up before a game because, no, from overhydrate and drinking too much, and then going out there and warming up and getting back in the locker room, and my stomach is just like shaking up from doing high knees and whatever. Or the other end, like number 69, like Latimer from the program,

he had to take a shit with the IV on, like all the drugs they pump you full of, Like the first half, it's anybody's guess. So you're going to have to go back to like Tort All, All-Tram, all that stuff, and it just tears your stomach down. We just did Chorazilacane so you could hit a wall. But we did cortisol too, but, you know, when you need a little bit. They didn't have Toradole when I played.

At all. End of my career, I was two shots of Tor-Dall, two All-Tram, and two more of something else. And, you know, a lot of times, like, you'd run out the first for warm-ups, and I was like, I'm buzzing. No. I feel good. College used to get the tortle on the butt.

Oh, I didn't miss a game without tort all. I didn't find out until like the last half of senior. That you could actually get it, that it was actually available to you? And I was just like, oh, that was behind the curtain the whole time. Game changer. You know, I love the scene. It's a totally unrealistic scene. It's a plot hole in a way, and we'll get there.

But like, at the end of the movie, when they're walking out of Dallas. and you know, you would never be out there. The stadium's totally clean. So obviously, like, you know, they've been there a while. Usually after the game, you get on the bus and you go home, you don't put your jersey back on and throw out on the field. You know, like, Willie Beeman was out there in his jersey and no shoulder pads. That's where it got away from.

Yeah, but I did love that conversation between him and Willie Beeman. It was like, you know, at the end of every season in the NFL, there is a point where everybody's like, it's over. And, you know, it's exit meetings. It's the last party. It's like whatever. It's the last day on the field. And you kind of, you kind of close the loops. Now, they had a couple more playoff games to go and they lost, I guess, San Francisco or something. But these guys had a really fracture relationship. And you could see that it was like they were mending it. You know, whether Willie was going to be on the team next year or not, like at least they could leave with dignity.

And, you know, Pacino's saying, like, it's all about, you know, I met a guy from where way back in the day that played, and he said the one thing you miss is looking at the guys in the huddle. And I got chills hearing that because it really isn't any of the other stuff that people imagine, but it's that feeling of like,

we're locked in, the stakes are high, we're all on the same page, and I can count on you and you can count on me. And there's nothing I can replicate, even podcasting business, my family, like there's nothing I can replicate that with

after football and the line, I'll miss you, Amigo. I love that line. And obviously, they didn't miss each other because he went to Albuquerque with him. Great post credits seem. But I thought, which was great.

I thought that was a great scene. And I really love Pacino's connection with Jamie Fox. And I love Pacino's connection with Cameron Diaz. I thought Cameron Diaz had a great performance. I thought them yelling at each other was so fucking raw and the arguments that they were having. Like, I've never been in an owner and coach meeting. But I would imagine it gets heated.

I thought it was really cool. with him and Jamie Fox so because Jamie Fox I just saw an interview where the first time he met Pacino he asked him to come to shutters on the beach you know where that is I actually stayed there for the Willie Nelson thing with Tom and Kevin and I know exactly where he's talking about he walks in he meets Al Pacino and he said Pacino was just like he was a great coach you know like that that's what he was for Jamie and he was a coach for Jamie in the movie yeah but off you know off screen he was coaching him up and took him under his wing and he was like a real team player you know not to Pacino he said Denzel when you meet Denzel it's the same guy you know like he he sounds the same

he talks the same the whole thing Pacino's like a totally different guy kind of disarmingly unsure of himself the whole thing I love that scene and I love their connection I loved Pacino throughout the movie and you know that relationship was great I thought his relationship with Dennis Quate's character, you know, the guy that, you know, you build that up over a period of time, that's your guy. Yeah. You know, that's the guy you've won with, you've lost with, you've done battle with, and, you know, Amigo and all that. Dennis Quaid was that, and there's, it's as inevitable as a wave hitting the beach, you know, your time will come. And the coach, if he's lucky, is going to have to bury you.

Yeah, yeah, he's going to, you know, I, that's one of the reasons why I got out when I got out. I said, I don't want someone telling me to go, I want to go. And that was the way I did it. But I liked Al Pacino did a great job. I thought in looking at it, you know, I called you the one night I was watching it, or I texted you the one night I was watching it. I thought Lawrence Taylor in sections of the film was great. Yeah. Was great. You know, with the injury and the neck and, you know, the head,

and they're not giving him all the information, and he's got to get out there and play. And, you know, Jim Brown's as coach. And, you know, Jim Brown as the coach, you know, he can love him all he wants, but at the end of the day, he's got to get Lawrence Taylor back on the field. But I thought Jim Brown and LT had a really, really, relationship between an old vet and an old coach that played.

Like I had some old coaches that played and it's a special connection and that guy can motherfucker you with like almost like it's endearing. Like you know it's it's like affectionate, but they're telling you the truth. He can do that, but nobody else can. Exactly. Because nobody else on the team could do that to him. And I love that connection. I thought they had that like and even at the end when they were playing with Sharks' life,

LT's life, you know, effectively. with the diagnosis that they had their hands on, like Jim was not comfortable with it. He knew his place, but he was not comfortable with it. And the one thing I thought was unrealistic was, I don't think you could sign a waiver on something like that. I don't, yeah, I'm not sure that there's, I don't think there's a check that box.

Well, yeah, you could check a box on a knee. You could check a box on a maybe a back, neck you start to get a little bit. But conversely, I also thought it was unrealistic that when Cameron Diaz and James Woods, I believe we're having this conversation about cutting him in the all season, that they actually cared about his family

and how much money he had. No one's having that conversation. You know, James Woods is like, he has four kids. You know, like that's never a part of the calculus. Well, you know, I know it's not to a great extent. You know, I thought Al Davis could be a lot of things. Yeah. But the one thing I will say,

say about Al Davis is he helped a lot of former players that people don't know about. Well, maybe Al was influencing that conversation. Yeah, you see, that's what I'm saying. You know, I think if you're consulting with someone from the Raiders, and, you know, obviously that dynamic of the two doctors, the old doctor who's made his deal with the devil to a certain... And had a lot of chicks. No, Dr. Rosenfeld wasn't like that.

So they embellished that. No, Dr. Roosevelt. That seemed like an unnecessary part of the plot, like where again were. I think that was, to me, the reason why they did that was it kind of explained why he was hanging on and the lifestyle. Doing what he had to do. They do like the lifestyle. They do like the life. There's a big lifestyle.

No question. And a lot of the reason that coaches stay in so long, too, is what I found is, I'm not throwing shade. but we go on the road, you know, we got a curfew. We can't be doing anything but studying our shit. These coaches and doctors, they go out and have a good time and they go out to dinner, and they're the ones who're supposed to be working on the fucking game. How many times can I study, you know, heat and hot?

Like, those are my two. So I just, my point is, like, there's a definite lifestyle factor when it comes to, like, sticking in the league a long time. And these coaches, it's like a country club. Same thing with the doctors and the- And the- The other thing I thought they really captured with Al Pacino had, there was so many dynamics to his character,

and there were so many scenes that you could point to, the Willie Beeman, you know, the Dennis Quaid character, all that, but him sitting alone at a bar. Yeah. And, you know, he's trying to get a hold of his estranged family. Because that's real. Because it's real because he, you know, people don't, realize how hard it is to coach in the NFL or in college football you don't have you have to have

not a good wife not a great wife you have to have an amazing wife and you kids have to be understanding I apologize to you for the first five years of your life because you know you're playing 13 years you don't have a dollar guaranteed I could be cut at any time not one dollar yeah and we didn't make big money at that time I mean my check was $1,07 my rookie year after taxes. But it would have been the same for me. How to use Coop DeVille, man. I was in Oakland.

Yeah. But it would have been the same for me, though, with my kids, if I'd have had them earlier, because it's impossible to be present. Yeah, because you put so much pressure on yourself. And I thought that was one thing that really showed up in this film. They captured the essence of the pressure that the players feel, that the coaches feel.

that the owner feels, everyone feels, the doctor feels. The pace of the movie helped do that. Yeah. I mean, it was just, it was in your face. I mean, I honestly felt like with all the cuts I was going to have a seizure. It was like one of those things. The one thing that they actually capture really well on a family level, like a relationship level.

The fight. Was the fight. Where Jamie and his girl. Yeah. You can see that play out with a lot of guys that we play with and like, don't let my success go to your head, bitch. Well, yeah, that just the minute he got successful, like it strained that relationship.

All the insecurities. Because it just brings to the forefront, all the insecurities and all the temptations of being that star player. And there was an arc to his character because I think he was humble. He was out of control. Then he kind of came back down to Earth. Came back down to Earth towards the end of the phone. And that's how it goes for a lot of guys.

And in the meantime, they lose people. They lose whether it's their wife, their friends, like, you know. And sometimes it's just that player is not even. even changing. Willie Beeman was, but it can be the appearance of all the things that this person now has to do, the responsibilities, the hands they have to shake,

the parties they have to go to, the attention that you can just feel on your significant other, I think that's a big strain. And right down to, I'm going to call your mama. Yep. I'm going to call your mama.

It was just so, it was so on point. And then like the gals getting the guys in trouble in the party, like that shit goes on. My guys always tried to get me to go out. Yeah. And I wasn't really much of a go-out guy.

Yeah. And I'd say to them, and it worked for just about everybody. I said, you know what? Do you want me to go out? Call my wife. One guy in 13 years said to me, give me the number. Who was it? Tim Brown.

Oh, Tim Brown. Tim Brown called Diane. And he said to your mom, hey, Howie said, you know, he can't go out because, you know, he said. Oh, if we play together, I would got you out. And she said, do you believe that bullshit? He just doesn't want to go out. too. Was that realistic?

Because one of my favorite scenes is when Cap's wife is like yelling at him, telling him that he can't retire. Lauren Holly. Yeah, Lauren Holly. Dumb and dumber. Like you have three more. Well,

you want to talk about, I think there are people who definitively like the lifestyle. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And, you know, your identity is, listen,

I'm not throwing stones in anyone. There's enough guilt for everyone. The players, coaches, wives, whatever. and they're great players, great coaches,

great wives. It's just a question of, you know, what your perspective is. And then there's some Godzilla's, some wives that everybody on the team knows, like, but yeah,

but usually the quarterback, that chick is running that guy's life. And if your wife goes anywhere near that chick, like maybe you should make some shit up about her because, like, I don't want my wife being friends with the Godzilla wife. That was Lauren Holly.

That's the, that's the dynamic. And then, get back to you like um to what you were saying earlier about the NFL not liking and then putting kind of like a bad name on football players i'm sitting here watching this movie with my girl and they show um what vladimir the old lineman in this in in any given sunday they show him being mad watching on willie beeman on tv at his house and he has about three kids running around his wife looks like she's like nine months pregnant and she goes, like, she's, like, cleaning up, and she goes, like, why can't we get a maid?

And he was like, why do we get married? Like, what did I get married for? And then the next scene, when it cuts, it's the party scene after they win, and he's pulling up on the bike with an escort. Yeah, I mean, like, is that the same dude that just had the last scene that I was like, yeah. It gives you, like, it gives you a, it's a bad look at what, like, most NFL players are like, That's what most guys are like. There are a number of scenes that, like I said, where are these parties? Exactly.

You know, I played for the Raiders. Yeah. By the way, cap, supposed to be 38, which is how old I am. And when the movie started, I was like, is that how old I am? Because you know, sometimes you go back and be like, how old was that actor when he did that role? That's how old I am right now? Like, you know what I mean? Like, how old was Kevin Costner and Tinkup?

38, Dennis Quaid looked rough for 38 in that fucking movie. He was actually what? How old was he? 45, I think. 45. And another one of my favorite scenes is when he gets Elwayed right at the end, like his last possession. It's a total Elway.

Total Elway. Yeah, so we got through the scenes. What other mentions do we have? Well, we were just kind of talking about some of the supporting performances. So why don't we just jump right to that? Howie, I know you're a big Charlton Heston fan. Chris has told me that you like some of his old films. Yeah, I really set him up for success.

He always plays, whether it's the president, or, you know, someone significant in the movie with the western, two different versions of it, ones with Kevin Costner. Dancers of Wolves? No, no, no. The shootout at the OK Corral. Matt, what's, you looking, yeah. One's with Kevin Costner and ones with Kurt Russell.

Yeah Tombstone? Tombstone, yeah. Yeah. And at the end of the movie, towards the end of the movie, when he's got his sick friend and he's staying with him,

Charlton Heston comes out, and he's, you know, seems like he's two feet taller than everyone. Right. He says, if they come for him, they've got to come through me. Mm-hmm.

You know, he's always that kind of... Badass. Just a larger-than-life character. He was perfect in the film for that. Yeah. Yeah. And I didn't really get, I mean, like, part of the movie that I didn't love was, and maybe you could include the Gladiator stuff in here, but like, the shots to all the fans, like, they were like ghosts.

They were trying to tie that thing together with like Willie Beeman and Al Pacino. I didn't get that. Maybe somebody could explain that. That stuff was kind of a reach. Yeah, somebody could explain that. But, you know, that's just a, I think that they went that in that direction creatively. And like you said, I think they had the flashbacks. Well, they swung at the fence.

I guess, I guess it was trying to. I felt like I missed something. I guess it was trying to emulate the championship he won. Maybe that was the way he wanted. But again, like that's maybe it was like a plot hole. Maybe that's something that they watched at his house, like that they cut out the movie. I think they just tried, they tried to do some things from a cinematic standpoint that were, you know, from a visual standpoint that were a little bit of a reach. So best supporting actors and actresses like, I.

I thought, and also I just, we'll give out the dad, you can just sit this one out, but smoke show of the movie is obviously Cameron Diaz, in my opinion. I don't know that's that obvious. Oh, I think it's pretty obvious. No, Mandy Murphy. Who's that? Jesse from Steve Barker's Bell. And I kind of like Lauren Holly. Dude, I just, you know, her run in the 90s, the mask, she'd never been in a movie before.

People were like, who the fuck is this? And then, you know, I thought. Something about Mary. But also, the point is she was great in the movie. And she, I thought, I thought her role or that subplot was necessary because that was another layer of football. And, you know, it's funny, like, because with ownership, you get to see it. Like, it is a succession kind of deal.

And, you know, not everybody is the same. It's like a total crapshoot, like what your kid's going to be like if you own an NFL team. She was, she was ambitious. She was. And I think also probably the way she felt on set with all those alphas and doing that very masculine movie is how her character in the movie would have felt. So it was kind of interesting. How tall is she? I think she's like 5'8.

Because the scene with her and Jamie Fox in the locker room. He's little compared to her. Well, she's probably wearing heels. She, like the way the angle of the camera, she looks like she's towering over him and it's so funny. Well, another thing from that very same scene. it's kind of a plot hole is there are no meat handshakes after games like owners don't come down and and like a spay i've never had a well i did have a female owner she never came in the locker room georgia frontier but yeah no there we know she walks right up to a naked guy and shakes his hand

shakes his hand that's not that no one's doing that yeah they didn't have they didn't have that in the movie um i also thought jamie was great i thought james woods was great uh there really wasn't a bad performance in this movie. Aaron Eckhart was good. Aaron Eckhart told an interesting story on our friend. He's good. Yeah, he's great actor. He seems like a great guy too. He's on Rich Eisen. I saw him tell this story. He rolls up. He's not working that day. He's just like watching things like I guess he had just gotten in. Hasn't been introduced to anybody. Oliver Stone's like, you want to fucking get busy today. Like he's like, no, I'm not working. Like what do you want? He's like, go out there and talk to out Pacino go talk to coach. So he walks out and I was like, you're not even scheduled today.

Like what's going on? And they're like, go over there and lead that drill. So he has to walk over to all these 18, 315 pound guys and start fucking yelling at him and they don't know he's the coach. And so he's motherfucking these guys and the drill ends. And one of the guys has to be separated from Aaron Eckhart. He's threatening to kick his ass. He's like, who the fuck are you? Have you ever talked to me like that again? I'm going to throw you up in the stand. And he goes, I'm your offensive coordinator in the movie. So like Oliver Stone's style is just wacky. And the way people describe shooting this movie was like chaos,

down to like shooting. They did that with the Godfather. Did they? They had a dinner. Yeah. And, you know, he didn't tell them. He just said, you know, we're the entire dinner you're in character. First night.

They just met everyone. Just throw you in the deep end. Yeah. You know, which is kind of, yeah, we were just talking about tin cup. It's like Cheech telling, you know, Kevin Costner just put some shit in his pocket. Fix his swing. Stop thinking about it. Just go act.

Oh, this guy, Jack Rose, John C. McGinley. He's in supposedly a lot of Oliver Stone movies. And he was based on Jim Rome. And you can see that. I don't know if I saw Jim Rome. I'm not sure of which kind of. I could see Jim Rome. I thought it was a mix of Jim Rome and Nick Wright,

who Nick Wright is a guy. guy now who's on TV. And I think if they recast the movie, Nick Wright would be the guy to play Jack Rose. That was more of a time with, like, local beat reporters, which I think it's sort of based off of. But they also used the Jim Rome because Jim Rome got attacked by Chris Everett. Well, he was calling Jim Everett.

He was calling Chris Everett, which, you know, listen. Yeah, be prepared to, yeah. You know, I, listen, I've, I've done Jim Rome show a number of times. I wonder what he thinks now. course of my career i mean i've never had a problem with him but if you're going down that road yeah but but with the beat riders that's a real thing though like coaches and beat riders like they have like rivalries you know there's guys in philly that the coaches are like fuck that guy you know what i mean that they're like i don't want him anywhere near this player that sort of thing because they grind

these axes over a course of three four seasons and all of a sudden you got a rivalry between the head coach and uh and the beat writer all right we want to add in any other like unnecessary scenes plot lines oh yeah oh yeah so my first thing is did anyone notice that jami fox has a tramp stamp in this movie no he has a tramp stamp that says cocked with two guns pointing at his life i i have no idea and that you know what that to me that that's that's where you go off the rails You know, you're trying to kind of oversell the idea of this is what football players are like. And then the Cayman in the shower.

No one's got the game of Alligator. There's no heavy metal circle after games. You see how they were all playing Metallica and there's like a battle over there. No, but it's not heavy metal, but there's definitely an oxwar sometimes. It's more country. The country music gets cut on. Exactly. By guys.

But yeah, there's definitely no one throwing an alligator in the locker room. Okay, there's definitely Beeman hands the ball off in his first game, and they drill him. Like, that's a penalty. Yeah. The team playing too nice, too spacious. Like, planes are not like that. I don't know about y'all's. No.

No. No. L.L. Cool J. supposedly making 10 mil a year per the kid, confirmed by L.L. Cool J.'s character. Not realistic, especially not in the 90s. I mean, right now guys are getting tagged at $10 million. I mean, back in the day, that wasn't the case.

You know, maybe you could weigh in on this, but, like, When Cap and L.L. Cool J and Pacino are in the back room and Beeman starting, and they're going to more of a passing offense, I thought it was unrealistic that L.O. Cool J in front of like four people is talking about his Reebok money to the head coach. It seemed a little bit far-fetched. I've never heard that. Okay. I've never heard that.

I've heard, look, I get one more sack. I get a $50,000 bonus. And that's a good segue to the next plot hole to me, which was, And Nolan, maybe you can help me with this in today's day and age. But like, I don't remember ever getting a bonus that was based on, you know, incentivized by my play that stretched into the postseason. You know, at one point he was volleying to, he wanted to play. And he said if I get two more tackles in a sack, I get a million dollars.

This was the last game of the season had ended. So remember, this is not the NFL. This is a, yeah, you're right. It's a different league. They could have a different salary. They could have a different side. that the Miami Dolphins exist, so the NFL in theory exists in the same universe. Well, I think it's like anything else. It's like the two guns down

tramp step. I mean, it's an exaggeration or trying to get a point across or over-emphasize something that they perceive is happening all the time when it really, it really doesn't happen. And can you step on somebody to get in the end zone? I put that too. I don't think you can step on. Like, Beeman's last touchdown in Dallas, He basically, yeah, you can't do that. But it is the AFFL, you know, so fuck. They have a terrible special teams team. Oh, they do?

Yeah. Throughout the movie, they're getting gashed. Special teams is bad. Gashed on special teams. All right. Not a plight. You think about coaching, how many actors do they have to coach them up? Yeah.

If something is going to suffer in a production, it's probably going to be a special teams. kind of these special teams. All right, let's move ahead to best prop. Oh, also, Cameron Diaz isn't even watching the last playoff game. Yeah. For fuck's sake. She would be watching the game, especially her character.

Next. Best prop? The eyeball. That's what I got to. Okay, the eyeball, which was the most unnecessary part of the whole movie. Unrealistic, too. Like totally unrealistic. I mean, you had the Orlando Brown thing with the flag, you know, eye injuries happen,

but an eyeball. That happened in college basketball, right? Like the kid from Villanova, right? He got his, the thing, someone's finger. I don't know about Villanova, but. Yeah, like, right, something. Somebody got their eyeballs scooped out. Yeah, the finger went in and it popped it out.

Yeah, had to get it reattached. Yeah, it was still attached. Yes, yes. It was still on the street. This was ridiculous. Yeah, that is wild. Yeah. I'd like the shark's gold tooth, I think.

An eye popping out of the socket is considered a medical emergency. Yeah, no, No shit. Coaches. That's on Google, huh? Uh-huh. Yeah. That's good to know.

The prop, I like his coaches, jambalaya. Oh, yeah, yeah. And the fact that he was calling it jambalaya, the entire movie is so funny. It was a play on him trying to be relatable. Yeah. I mean, like, everything, he, his first pass at Jamie Fox was to be relatable, you know? You know what he said? No, you already said, he's got him on the sideline.

He said, you know, just. Just don't worry about it. Simplify things. You know, just think to back. Run to the Buick. Back when you're, run to the Buick. You're in the hood.

You're in the hood. You're in the hood. You're in the neighborhood. It's like the whitest thing to say. You're in the hood. Yeah, run to the Buick. Yeah, I thought. It's a good callback in a movie when Jamie kind of throws it in his face.

Like, look, like you don't get it. Like, you don't get it. You think you do. But I thought that was another great scene. It was a real good scene. Him going over dinner, Dalichino back and forth. And it's crazy to think that this movie was in 1999. And if you run that, that, that Willie Beeman's speech to his coach,

it's still pretty accurate. Everything he's saying. What's interesting, that meeting to me was like the clash of the two eras. It was like, that's what was happening right there. It was like new football, you know, awareness, players being self-aware of their worth, but, you know, black quarterbacks talking about race, talking about. And then he jumps into the college. like he even says in that speech about like what college like it's the same dynamic and now we're

about to see that even more coming up with the NIL deals and parents having to figure things out he was the new age athlete he was the old school coach and this was like the collision course and it was interesting because they were finding they didn't find common ground in that moment but they both make good points it's a new school owner yeah yeah and the old coach and then the fact that they played into the storyline that he was a kid that had his stock dropped because he took something minor. Someone gave him a suit. Which in today's day and age seemed so ridiculous. So, so ridiculous. Someone gave you a suit. But, like, we hear about those stories. The whole, when it first started. The Ohio State, the kid, they were getting free tattoos.

Yeah, I used to make fun of James Lerner and I all the time. They were like, did you pay for those? Exactly. Or giving away, you can think about ruining your college legacy because you We had that we had someone a jersey or something like that. We had that problem of Billing over there was just cash just flowing. I bet it was. Oh wow. Yeah, it's slowing. I tell everyone I wish I tell everyone I wish.

I tell everyone I wish everyone's like yo you guys definitely had that at virginia and I was like guys I would have no problem telling you and I was like I really really wish. no chance. Howie just so you know Ben Hur was actually playing on the TV in the background when you know has Jamie Fox so yeah like a callback. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Nice catch. All right.

So best use of music in the film. Nate, what you got? I got Kirk Franklin Revolution during the TD Pass, Jamie Fox throws versus the Crusaders. I think when that song hits, it's, I think it's strong in the movie because it seems like it's a hip-hop song, but it's actually a gospel song.

I was going to say. Yeah, and just like with the tie-in. He's gospel, right? Yep. And just with the tie-in of, like, Jamie, the storyline that, like, his mom has never seen him play because he plays on Sundays. And it's sort of, like, realistic, like, where there are some parents, like, who are really, like, churches.

Hey, like, I'll go to your game if it doesn't interfere. They change. They change. They change. You know, Nate, you celebrate Halloween? It's a pagan holiday? Yeah. What?

It's a pagan holiday? I didn't know that either. The day of the day of the devil. So, Nate, all the other kids were dressed up. Nate was at home. I used to, I used to only be. be able to dress up as like sports people so like I used to wear like I remember it's reasonable Bernie Williams jerseys nothing demonic no like witches or warlocks

and things like the warlocks in the college household I actually like the my name is Willie Willie Beeman rap song by Jamie Foxe oh I like you I like them dropping some bill where that withers on us use me in the yeah Dallas game yeah you know and then the and then obviously that like the DMX like the DMX like the DMX Yeah, I was just about to say the DMX, my... You're into Bill Withers? Gate, a good track. No, I don't think so.

Bro, come on. Wow. Does that bother you? One of the coolest people. Yeah? Yeah, seriously. You're going to watch a documentary on Bill Withers. Okay.

You're going to watch it. You walk away, still Bill. He's a West Virginia guy. Just a voice of a fucking... Really cool guy. Okay. What genre is he? I mean, like, I guess you would call it Soul?

I mean, you know. Okay, I'll have to check it out. Drip Award. So this is either the best or worst dress. Any comments on any clothing? Yeah, worst dress. The Dallas Crusaders. They had the worst uniforms in sports movie history.

I mean, not to mention that whole setup there in Dallas. It looked like a Knights thing. It looked like a Clan meeting place or something like the Knights Templar kind of thing. Like a culty like Al Pacino's up there at the podium. I'm like, what are they usually? do with this fucking podium where my mom took you guys to some you know they reenact yeah it looked like the medieval or medieval times you got the same yellow on as them right now yeah I do this this kit's a lot better I thought that was a

hideous stadium hideous uniform the whole thing also all these old coaches were really well shot well do you guys know I think how we might do you know who this old coach is Johnny nice there we go yeah and they had they had that's an easy one they had they had tell you what if you pull up Pull up, I don't know if you can get him. Offensive tackle from the San Francisco 49ers, Hall of Famer. Bob St. Clair. He's 6-8, 6-9.

Yeah. Bob St. Clair is the opposing coach. Dick Buccas is a coach, too. Yeah. Which was like, oh, there he is. Like, you know, anytime you see Dick Buccas, he kind of stays to himself. But L.O. Cooja, after the Crusaders win, his drip. His drip.

Yeah. Was good. His what? His drip. What he was. Swag. His swag. I think Terry, was Terry Tate in the movie?

Can you look that up? Lester Spate, whose Terry Tate was in the movie. He was the security guard. See? See? I know it. Like they flashed when I watched it this morning and like. Was he the guy that wouldn't let Willie Beaman in?

No. Like he's like a sideline security guard or something. He's one of the sharks security guards. So like they flashed to him and I'm like, that guy looks familiar. Who is it? And then I remember, I'm like, I literally put Terry Tate question mark, question mark. That's so good. The one thing we should mention is that L.L. Cool J and Jamie Fox really got in a fight.

Now, I think a lot of people probably know this about the movie if you've read up on it. But in one of the scenes where it's supposed to be arguing on the sideline, I guess L.L. Cool Jail was putting a little extra English on the shoulder pads and, you know, just getting a little physical, but not over the line. And Jamie swung. And Jamie, Jamie swung on him. He said, don't, don't touch me like that. They do another take. He touches him like that. Jamie hits him in the face. and L.O. Cool J is like, what the fuck was that about? Rips his helmet off. And L.L. Cool J. in the interview describes how he did it.

You would like this. He pulled the face mask up and was throwing up cuts. Downing that up. Yeah, down and that up. But they said he was knocked out cold. Knocked out cold. They said initially, Jamie Fox, they said initially Jamie Fox, they said initially Jamie Fox pressed charges.

They were police. And they might, that it put filming on hold for like two days until they rectified it to get them back. Jamie Fox is like seeing things and shit. He's bright lights or he's sensitive bright lights. So like you got to get out there. Then the plot hole in the movie, it's funny because the scene,

it goes for them racing. Yeah. I think that that racing scene with them outside, that originally that maybe there was a fighting scene that was cut out because they go right from that racing scene and Jamie Fox beating L.L. Koojee in that race, which is a good scene the way they did that. but it goes straight from there to L.L. Kouj getting stitches in his head and the doctor telling him, like, I know a good plastic surgery that can, because he has a ball head that can fix that up.

And I'm just like, what happened? And it's funny to hear, like, to think about that. They got into it. They got into it in the movie. But like, you watch it twice, though. But like, it goes straight from that race to him being into the thing. It's not when they get into it. They get into it. Yeah, they get into it. after in the shower but still in all those scenes it's always LL Kool-J getting the best of Jamie Fox not the other way around oh yeah you mean Jamie Fox getting the best of LL cool no no no I mean in the show because he actually was probably beating him up in real life they probably kept some of that footage well I think they lost some of it and they wanted it back but all right we'll wrap this up here a couple quick hitters uh Beville conway award most beautiful scene was the most beautiful like shot most beautiful location well

to me is because it's unrealistic, but it's the party. Yeah, you love that party. Yeah. Bill Belamese getting a blowjob. Everyone's casually walking around. There's dudes doing Coke. And then other, like, two other girls come in. It's in the game.

Like, they come in casually to get mad to grab their guys out of the party. And I'm just like, you know, first off, like, nothing like this would ever happen. What you're going to say, like, you know, the end of the game. His son was heading over the stadium. Why he's here? Yeah, okay. Perspectives. Why?

I would ask you this. Whose house was not, whose house did you like better? Capp's house or Al Pacino's house? Pacino, it was a gorgeous house. He had a beautiful tree outside his kitchen. He's on the water. He wins.

He wins. Caps' house is really Dan Marino's house in real life. And that thing was palatial. I don't know where that is, but that's a beautiful house. In Miami. Well, I know where, though, because as we know, Miami's got... Sunny Isle probably.

Not Miami Gardens. I read that that we ran it out. Yeah. Did you have a favorite location? I would be more like that, more the visuals. I mean, I'm not thinking to party. How about a goose bump moment, something that gave you chills. You mentioned one earlier.

It's the speech. I mean, it's the speech. Like, when it comes to sports movies for me, this is the speech. And last night, when it finally got to the speech, I was just sitting there and I was so zoned into it. I had goosebumps and about 10 seconds left in the speech. Meg's like, hey, can I ask you something? And I'm like, fuck.

You know, like, just let me get through the whole damn thing. I had to rewind it and watch it again. I love that speech. I used to watch it before games. And the older you get, the more you identify with it. You keep going back to it. Yeah. Yeah.

It's truly, and it was inspired by a Schadenheimer speech. and Al Pacino supposedly went Marty was good Yeah and he supposedly shadowed Shanahan for a while before he played the role. Any, any,

I don't know, I never viewed him like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Marty was, Marty was all about emotion and relationships and had him at the Pro Bowl. He tried to trade for me a couple of times.

Like Marty a lot. Yeah, I thought that was just an amazing. speech and all the other sports speeches, you know, people talk about Kurt Russell and Miracle. I think it's overrated. You know, you look at the Mock's speech at half time of the last game varsity. But he's trying to, in Miracle, he's capturing a guy that's not really dynamic. And hockey's a whole other world. Yeah. And, you know, a kid who grew up two, three streets down from me, Jack O'Call-Anne was on the team. So for me, it was kind of. Yeah, I just didn't like Objectively.

No, it's different. It's just the Pacino's You got Al Pacino giving a speech. Yeah. It's pretty amazing. Now it's a little unrealistic. You never haven't. That's like a night before the game speech at the hotel more than it is.

The best speeches you ever get her at the hotel. Yeah. You know, like the speech you get before the Well, I talk about coaches. Like, you know, sometimes coaches will talk to you the night before in today's NFL. They got a different message every fucking week and sometimes really good. And, you know, sometimes you have players get up and talk.

and some of the best most emotional speeches I've heard have been in hotel ballrooms. The game day speeches, like, it's hard to fully, I think. You're not going to have somebody on a knee for five minutes either. Exactly, and it's hard to fully take in, like, everything, like a game day speech, because realistically, you know. Not listening, you're just like fucking. There's a lot of guys that just, like, ready to go.

I want to say this, though, Pacino's first speech, which I loved, his, maybe the first game at the half. Yeah, when L'LJ raises his hand. He's like, what are you doing? But I'm just telling you, that speech, that is Jeff Fisher. Like, I don't know if Fish loved this movie, but Pacino at the half, at the beginning of the movie, sped up or actually slowed down is Jeff Fisher. Down to his hand movements, you know, fish would talk like this and his hands would go like this. And there was something else Pacino was doing.

Fish was exactly like that. And the reason guys love Fish was the same way. Al Pacino was like peer to peer with you. Like he was like, I'm the fucking the king, but we're in this together and I'm going to talk to you like a man and I'm going to appeal to like the realness in here. You know, and Fish had that like you get into half. We'd be down.

We'd be playing like shit, but he was leveling with you. He was like, come on. Like what the fuck are, you know, like he would just appeal to the most realistic, um, the most realistic thought in your head. And, you know, I don't think you relate to. A lot of coaches, they talk at you.

A lot of coaches, they got these preconceived messages that they're trying to push. Like, fish was real like that. And he just reminded me a lot of fish at different points in the movie. And that's a compliment, because I think anybody will play for Al Pacino. Al Pacino's crazy. Yeah. All right, let's just do a closing thoughts or anything else that you guys had notes on that you wanted to hit that we didn't get to hit. Yeah.

So I think when it comes to the casting, It's kind of interesting when you look back at some of these movies who was almost who, I mean, we talked about Puff Daddy was almost. At that point he was Puff Daddy, I think he was almost, Willie Beeman. The studio wanted him because his music at the time was generating a lot of revenue. Well, they also made a run at Will Smith, who was not interested. Puff Daddy came with an entourage and Puccino was like, nah.

Like, I'm cool, but this is not going to work. So we had that. Another fact about the movie that I read was that they'd have Miami models, and like, you know, on the line between model and sex worker, they'd have these chicks, like, bust out to the set to encourage the cast, which is a lot of players and a lot of, like, you know, A-listers to stick around and work.

So they'd, like, keep them around with some of these gals that you saw in the movie. Marketing game. Crazy. Yeah, I thought that, I thought Clint East would, I read, was almost Al Pacino that wouldn't have worked as well. Yeah, I thought it was a great movie. Not great movie.

Let me not say that. But like a seven, seven out of ten. So after watching this movie again, I want to ask you guys, is Brock Purdy the white Willie Beeman? That's interesting. That's really interesting. Minus the personality. Minus the this part, you know, the bell curve.

was like thought he was, you know, next grade's thing. Like, Brett, I think Brock Purdy, the storyline. The storyline, yeah, not like, obviously not. Because they lost in the championship, too, to the Eagles. Yep. Yep. That's pretty good. I thought about it.

I was just like, because my girl was like, like, she was like, does this really happen? And I laugh. And I go, like, actually, this just happened with, with Brock Purdy. I was like, it's a shot in the dark you going into starting a season as a third string quarterback and you think that like you're going to end up playing.

I just watch Marshall Fox, you know, ESPN, late at night in the hotel in Philadelphia, and one, Marshall Falk was amazing. Yeah, baller. It just reminded me, re-reminded me that he was great. But Kurt Warner, that was the whole deal with Kurt Warner. And Marshall Falk, ironically, missed the block that, you know, hurt the quarterback.

So I think they did a great. To me, the essence of the game itself, they captured, all the peripheral stuff. I think it was a little bit exaggerated, obvious, a lot exaggerated, and you swing for the fences, and I give them credit. I thought they did a great job, and I thought Al Pacino was fabulous.

You know, I thought there were really a lot of great performance. And I thought, once again, I give it to LT. LT was, LT really showed some great emotion in the movie. And they knocked it out of the park, I think, with the final football scene, slowing the clock down, all the way to, like, L.L. Koujay's position. When he takes that screen and he's running, they actually have him, like, switch his hand to the right hand, like to get ready to go out of bounds. And I'm watching, I'm like, yo, this is actually a really.

good. The little minutia of it all. Yeah, because it's the thing as a football player, you know, two-minute drill, like that's what it kind of seems like for you. It's, you know it's only 40 seconds, but like, you know, like, hey, 40 seconds, we're about to get six or seven plays in if we do everything the right way. And he has to, he has to trust, you know, for Oliver Stone, who, you know, has obviously has no football background, to trust the people he has in place and to trust the players. I'm sure people are getting coached up during the scene as they're running the scene by whether it's Terrell Owens or it's Jim Brown or whoever Lawrence Taylor.

No, no, no. That's not the way you do it. It's a five, last five seconds. Switch hands, get out of balance, do this, do that. And Alan Graff does a great job with the second unit. Oh, yeah, one more thing. If the Justin Jefferson thing never happened later, I would say that scene is unremembered.

Realistic when Willie Beeman gets flipped into the end zone. But now that we've seen it, you can't say that it's unrealistic. All right, Dad. Thank you for coming through and talking to us about the middle. You guys validate on tickets. Do you do that online? Yeah, we'll do that. Yeah.