Green Light with Chris Long - AQIB TALIB & MATTHEW MCCONAUGHEY! Can Patriots Contend? Jameis in NOLA.

Episode Date: November 18, 2020

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Bill just got that shit, man. He got that direct line to the football guys. Like he said, hey. He turned the rain on. Hey, Mark coming to town, man. Y'all think I get a fucking tsunami. It's all right. It's a bit.

It gives tsunami bill back. Happy Wednesday, everybody. This is the Green Light Pod. I'm your host, Chris Long. And I have a jam-pack show for you today, so I'll get out of the way. I've got Akeeb Taleb and Matthew McConaughey. Where else can you get Akeep Taleb and Matthew McConaughey? Nowhere.

Not in the same pod. Here's what happened. We had Matthew McConaughey on the books for a while, and it was election week when we ran it. So, you know, a lot of you guys have heard this pod. It's about his new book, Green Lights, and a whole lot more. I had a lot of fun doing it. It was a lot of fun, you know, hearing some of the feedback from some of the folks who listened to it.

But because of the craziness of that week, we just figured we rerun it on the back end of a football pot. So here's your hump day pod. Akeep Talib who just joined Fox's color commentary team. He is doing color commentary every Sunday it looks like on NFL on Fox. He did his debut this weekend

with Dan Helly. Dan and him had the Washington Detroit game and you know when I interviewed Akev it was one of those things where I was like you know what are you thinking coming into this game because it's Washington and Detroit. It's a game that you might look at as like a training wheels game, but it ends up being

incredibly exciting and really, quite frankly, got a little nuts at the end there with the Chase Young penalty with Alex Smith, his first start out of his own end zone under two minutes to go, doing enough for them, multiple penalties on that drive to create a field goal opportunity. They kick the field goal. Detroit gets it back with like no time left. The Chase Young penalty that I mentioned. Sunday night and just a moment ago, the roughing call, put the ball on the fringes of Prater's range, and he booted the fuck out of a football, and it sliced right in between the uprights for the win in Detroit. Detroit's first win, I think, at home this year. So,

Akeep thought he had overtime coming, and he didn't. He had maybe one of the most dramatic finishes Sunday that you didn't see, and I thought he did a great job. I've known a keep for a long time. We came out the same year. He was Kansas guy. I was a Virginia guy. And we shared a couple trips. I think Playboy All-American trip.

The whole crew went out to Tucson, I think it was, to hang out and party for a couple nights. And we got to be recognized. There were guys like James Laronitis, Tommy Blake, Kaleas Campbell, E.J. Henderson, Talib, myself, Deshawn Jackson. I mean, I got the picture. I look back, Jake Long, and only a few of us were left.

Every year I'd look at that picture in my office, and there were just a couple of us left. And Akeeb and Kaleas Campbell were two guys that had some of the best careers out of our draft class. I thought up front, Kaleas was the guy to leave. And Cliff Averill was awesome, too. Cliff and I battled it out, his rushers in the NFC West for a long time. But Kaleas, to me, was the gold standard.

that class and Talib might have been the gold standard on the back end. I'd have to look back and see who else was in that class. But awesome player, part of some great defenses. Man, no fly zone. He had a stint in LA, had a stint in New England, obviously. A lot of fun watching him play over the years. And you almost forgot about the fact that he played for the bucks, right? He played for the bucks first. Great player. And he's doing his thing in the booth now. And what I love about, you know, hearing him and a lot of other former players. You know, I mentioned Pat McAfee getting in the booth and doing college games. He's calling it like a wrestling match, right?

It's different. It's not your cookie cutter shit. Talib is going to talk to you like you're in the living room with him. And I've always said this. You learn the most from watching old players watch a game. And I think a lot of times I could imagine when you've got all the pressure of what goes into being a booth guy, bearing down on you, you don't experiment, you don't lean into who you are, and you try to do, you color inside the lines. And I think, I suspect that you probably spend so much time thinking

about how do I say it, when do I say it, and you don't say what's on your mind and you don't assert the knowledge that you've accumulated over a long career. And I love the way to leave, went out, and called that game Sunday. The cadence was great. And the back end knowledge is, is awesome. For somebody who played in the D-line for his entire career and didn't pay attention to what was going on behind him, I'm learning football on the back end. It's nice when you can absolutely, without a shadow of a doubt, trust the guy that's calling the game to tell you what's going on in coverage. He also did something at the end of that game that I thought was awesome. They asked him about a holding call in the secondary in that drive. He said, I didn't see it. I think

that's great. Didn't see it. I wish they'd teach every other color commentator. how to say those four words. I didn't see it. Or I don't know. That's three. I thought he was great. So without further ado, let's get to Akeep Taleb,

fresh off his first Sunday performance for NFL on Fox in the booth. All right, so Akeeps here. It's been a long time, man. And we come a long way since Playboy All-American circa 07 was that? It was. Dude.

It looks like we made it. That was a lot of fun, by the way, though. Yeah, that was a good trip. That was a good trip. Me and Deshaun was just talking about that trip, man. We got some old footage from it and everything, but yeah, that was the one. I go through the picture sometimes and try to pick everybody out, and we lasted a while, man. Callais.

Callais is still rolling. He's still rolling. I don't know how he's doing it, man. Shout out to Callais Campbell. He's been an Ironman and a really great player. I think he might be a Hall of Famer. I think so, too. I think so, too, man.

Just, you know, the body of work that he put together. Yeah. It always take them years. You talk Hall of Fame, you've got to be in them double-digit years. You've got to be a starter for double-digit years to get them numbers. And, you know, the wins and the chips and stuff, that account for stuff. Your leadership in the locker room, I think all that stuff coming to play. And Collet's got it, man.

That book is filled, for sure. The book is filled. And the book is just getting started for you post-career, man. I had heard some rumblings that you would be in the booth, and it kind of came up on us quick. I popped on the game the other day. I told you offline. I thought you did a great job, man.

It was awesome to hear one of my guys doing the suit thing, man, so to speak. But your debut with Dan Helley on Fox for the people listening. It was Washington, Detroit. And you're thinking, okay, this is kind of my training wheels game. This isn't a huge game, but it could be exciting. You get a 21-point comeback, and you get Alex Smith out of his own end zone running a two-minute draw with the game on the line. I mean, how much more exciting was that than you expected?

Man, it was, I had a feeling, though. I don't know what it was, Chris. I'm like, watch, this is going to be some type of overtime game. It's going to be some crazy shit. I just, I don't know what it was. I swear, the whole time I just had a feeling like, it's going to be something crazy about this game. And look, look what we got, man.

My dog, Prate hit the game winner. Prater. Man. You called it. You called it, too. You called it, which was money. Because you were like, listen, if they, if they get 10 yards here, I saw them in pregame.

You had the pregame kick down and everything. That was a good callback and you nailed it. It was cool. He hit it too. I was like, come on, pray. Just hit it for me, baby. I want to cheer for you right now. He hit that thing, though, man.

So it was a good time, man. I enjoyed it, man. It's for the most part. That's what I want to do. I want to see if I got in the booth, if I enjoyed it. You know what I'm saying? And shit, it started off, you know, it started off rough. I'm trying to find places to talk.

and the producers talking in this year, the game going in this year. It was like, it was a lot at first, but I think I kind of slowed down, found the rhythm, and I had a great time, man. Dude, absolutely. When I, when I popped on, you were in a rhythm completely, and I want to get to the game day mechanics, but just the way that game ended. You know what I love? Because I'm a front end guy, you know, like I watch the game from the front back,

you know, because that's the way I played it. Obviously, you watched the game from the outside end, I would assume. But I love when I can watch a game in a lot. learn about coverage from a guy that played. And just in that three-minute period, I learned a lot just listening to you. And you know, you talked about Maddie P, opting for man. That's more him on that last drive, playing the soft zone.

These are things that us football players might know as Givens with a big lead and that sort of thing. But they let the fan in. And I wonder, because Troufant had two big penalties on that last drive, is it hard for you as a defensive player as a DB? Because I know DBs, they never think it's PI on the defense. is it hard for you? Is it going to be hard for you to call it like pretty neutral down the middle on those 50-50 calls?

I don't think so, man. Hey, I'm in for, you know, I'm just here to do my job, baby. I ain't needed to make no friends and nothing like that. You feel me? I got enough friends. So I'm going to call it how I said. If he peed out of him, I would have said, oh, yeah, he's there. He too early.

But I just feel like he was there early. I felt like it was a great place. So I think, I could be pretty straight down the middle with it. Now, my decisions might be biased, just because. I look at it from a defense. You know what I'm saying? But if it's a flag, I'm going to say it's a flag. If it's not, I'm going to say I don't think it is.

Here's one of the hard parts. And I've had trouble with this podcasting because, like, people want to come to you. Like, my value I add is I'm honest. I fucking call it how I see it, okay? And I'm sometimes I got to criticize my friends. Now, there's a line there where you don't want to be, make it personal or question somebody's effort or somebody's toughness. Those are the things my pops taught me about.

what are the rules that like so as you because you're fresh out of league and you know all these guys and that's that's something that dan was talking about you got buddies and coaching staffs and on the field what what are what's your set of rules for how you criticize players because there's going to be moments where you're going to be up there and you're like oh shit that's one of my friends and he just fucked up how are you going to criticize like when your friends get fuck up and you're like oh shit i got to criticize the buddy that's you're right that's the tough part that's the tough part but i feel like man us being in this profession.

I think that's, we dealt with that all our life, right? So we kind of used to that, you know what I'm saying? So at sometimes, like when I played, if I did something bad, if I did some good,

if Dion Sanders would, you know what I'm saying, critique me a little bit, I kind of appreciate it. You know what I'm saying? Dion Sanders telling me what I could have did better, what I can't do,

where my eyes need to be, or, you know what I'm saying? I, some, some critique I appreciate it. If you trust it, if you trust it. If I trust it, that's what I'm saying. Trust it, I appreciate it. So when I do it, man, I just try to do it in the way that I'm teaching.

Like I'm saying, he need to be at this landmark. Like I had to do it in the game, Jeff got hit. Jeff Ocuder. That's like, I've known him since he was at Grand Prairie out here in Dallas at high school. Seen him go to O State, seen him go to the league, number three pick. So boom, he got hit on a little corner route or something and covered three. So when I criticize him, I kind of

do it in the way where I'm teaching him. Like, you know what I'm saying? He's supposed to be at this landmark. So when he listening to him, he's like, all right, so maybe I need to call-keeping and see what that landmark is and see where my eyes need to be. I'm not saying it in the way like, oh, Jeff, man, you terrible. That's a terrible. I just kind of do it in the way where I'm coaching him a little bit.

You know what I'm saying? And I think they'll appreciate it that way. Yeah, I think that's the way to do it. And to be honest, I haven't run into much. I mean, I've criticized some friends that play for the Eagles. I mean, I'm still tight with all those guys, and I got buddies on the Rams and whatnot,

and the Patriots. And like, listen, I talk to Devin McCordy every week, but I'm going to trash the Patriots some Sundays. I mean, it's just kind of what it is. It doesn't mean I'm making it personal, or I'm just being realistic about what I see on the field. So that's a tough tightrope to walk. Was that exhausting Sunday?

Because, like, when Ronnie Lott made the transition into the booth, I remember my pops told me that Ronnie said, this shit was more exhausting and draining than playing a football game. Hey, bro. Hey, it really was, bro. I say the first half. I feel like the second half, I kind of got in the rhythm. I calmed down. I found myself enjoying the game because it turned out a good-ass game.

But that first half, I was like, oh, shit, it was so fast. I was standing up. It was just so fast. It was kind of exhausting, man. I'm like, the game go way slower when I'm playing in the game. You know what I'm saying? It felt like it was way slower when I'm playing. It was just going so fast.

And it's, it was a moment where I'm even like, man, it's, hold on, man. Like, am I in the right spot right now? Like, it was frustrating. I'll say more frustrating than exhausting. You know what I'm saying? Well, so how do you, how do you get like, because this was one of my big things.

I mean, it's scary. Nowadays is the scariest time to do color commentary because you've been on the other side of where you were just scrolling your timeline. All anybody's doing is talking shit about the crew. Like everybody, it's not good enough for Twitter. Nothing's good enough for Twitter anyways, but God forbid, they don't like the call. What about when you have a moment, like when we were on the field and we had a bad play? If somebody ran in my gap for 40 yards, I don't have a choice.

I got to get up and I got to set my jaw and I got to come back the next play. How do you do that in a booth? Do you know the moment where you fucked up and you're like, did you have a moment Sunday where you're like, oh, I feel terrible about that. It was situations like that too, but it's similar to the game, bro. It goes so fast. If you mess up, the next play is coming. And you know what I'm saying? They're talking to you in this area.

You don't really have no time to dwell on the messups. You know what I'm saying? So, man, preparing for that and doing that commentating, it was so similar to playing, but I just wasn't playing. It was like I was messing up and it was like, oh, I got to move on next play. Yeah. It was, I'm saying? It was just like that.

And the preparation for it, just watching the tape, how much tape I had to watch and things like that, man. It was super similar to playing. But if I did find myself messing up, man, I just had to act like it ain't happening, move on to the next play, just like if I was playing in the game. How do you walk the line between being you because you're in the booth because you're you're not in the booth because you're doing this cookie cutter? These are the rules of color commentary.

These are the ins and outs. And like, how do you walk the line between playing within the system to you? use a football metaphor and being Akib Talib. Yeah, it was, it was, that was kind of tough too, because you know shit, I'm from where I'm from. I talk how to fuck I talk. You know what I'm saying? So I was kind of having to pull it back and it was, you got to watch how you talk.

Yeah. Did you want to cuss ever? Because like, when I do these live streams, like, I do live streams on Thursday night. They're for Twitch. They're for Amazon. So they're less buttoned up and they tell me I can cuss. But I can't help it sometimes. Fuck is like the third word in my.

vocabulary. That's the next time, bro. I love, my third word is worse than that. It was, it was difficult, but I think me doing the podcast, well, I could cuss on the podcast, but like me doing NFL network all my time in 2018 and doing stuff last year. I think doing a whole bunch of the TV stuff that I've done so far, that kind of helped me, you know, stay filtered and still, though, you still, you want to, you want to be

semi, you want to be yourself, but you want to be the professional version of yourself. Yeah, that's all we're doing. We're just buttoning it up a little bit. Exactly, just buttoning up a little bit. So, man, it was, it was a fine line that I had to walk. It definitely was a fine line that I had to walk and, you know, be lead. Don't be too regular of a lead. Be, be, be, be, be, be, be, me.

I got to, boof leave. It's a, it's a, it's a way I got to talk. It's a way I got to be, the way I got to present myself, man. So it was, that was one of the, that was one of the boxes I had to check as well, man. Make sure my lingo is right. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. But I mean, I think people like it.

For anybody that was complaining about Akeep talks to me like I'm in the living room. Like that's how I want to. And my thing was, if anybody has a criticism for you, I say, did you learn something? Because that should be all you care about. Because I guarantee you learn more about him and his experience in the league and coverages and that sort of thing. Because we're not so obsessed with fitting in this cookie cutter system. because I feel like guys have to spend half the time in the booth

thinking about how to say what they need to say rather than just say what they need to say. And that's why I think streaming and watching games with like live watches and shit where people are just sitting on a couch, that's the way I would, I prefer to watch a game. You know, like three players watching a game. You learn more watching three old heads watching a game than you do watching TV by far.

So yeah, I think it's awesome. I wonder if anybody ever tried to steer you in this process away from being you. And did you ever have to be like, no, I'm going to be me and I'm going to bet on me. I'm going to do it my way. Well, now, see, no one never really told me how to be. Yeah.

But I did an audition, right? I did an audition during the pandemic. I did it in my living room on Zoom. Yeah. So I did my audition and I know how I act. I know how I talked. I know who I was on that audition, right? Yeah.

And shit, that was good enough to get me a game. So I'm like, shit, they must like. what I did. They definitely like what you did. They must like the way I did it. That's like, this is my audition. All right, this is the way I think I got to do it. You know what I'm saying?

I'm buttoning up a little bit, but I'm still going to be leave. I'm going to call the game. How to fuck? I'm going to call the game. I'm going to call what I see and talk what I know. And I'm going to do it like that. So it was good enough for the I looked at it like that. It was good enough for the audition.

So it must be good enough for Fats. And I think to your point, I mean, like, I love watching players call games because there's the tradeoff. of you know like normally when true font got into it with about uh with a teammate on that last drive and they were talking about help and you you pointed out that he was talking about middle of the field help and that's what they were arguing about you know what a normal color commentator knows they're arguing you know what they're arguing about you know exactly as soon as it happened i seen how he looked back i knew exactly what you've been in that argument i've been in that

same argument where the fuck you at so and then his comeback is like man he came low bro your dude went it's third and three. I got the low one. And I'm like, man, this McLoran, though. Like, you know what I'm saying? So we, you know what I'm saying? I've been in that same exact conversation. So as soon as it was happening, I knew exactly what they were talking about. So things like that. I feel like little stuff like that. That's what I could bring to the booth that a regular guy couldn't bring to the booth. You know what I'm saying? And just, you know, being fresh out of the game, knowing a lot of the guys on the field, man. I'm able to call Jeff before the game,

call a dude the night before the game and stuff like that. can call due the night before the game because he's over there with all the Patriots that I could bring to the booth that some other people can't bring to the booth. So that's a question then. I mean, going to the production meeting side of things, like you did a production meeting, right, this weekend? Okay. So for people listening, the game day crew always does a production meeting in the hotel like on a Saturday in the dead time when we get there, like usually right off the bus. We go upstairs and meet with the guys in the suits. I don't like call. I don't like call. and you a suit.

But like, these players, there's only three and maybe the head coach are going to get called in to talk to the crew that's going to commentate the game and they gleaned some information. You remember a couple weeks ago, Brian Greasy had something to say about what Nick Foley said about Matt Nagy,

not knowing how quick the rush was getting there. These are the things you've got to be careful what you say to the production meeting folks and it depends on how much you trust them, what's on the record, what's off the record. That's a dance. Do you feel like you have an advantage you know, like over guys that might be 10 years old

or whatnot? because you know a lot of guys. You might be sitting in the hotel ballroom talking to three guys you played with. Exactly. Exactly. And I think I do. I think it kind of happened this week. You know what I'm saying?

I just was talking to, we started off, we started off talking to, I think one of the corners, Amani. Yeah. We started off talking to Amani. And, you know, usually I play, they're like, are you following? I'm like, man, y'all going to see tomorrow. Y'all know Coach don't want me to tell y'all following a lot. Right. I'm like, Amani.

What's up? Y'all, what y'all got going? you're following hit media was like man yeah we following kee we uh he was talking to me like i was his partner yeah even at the end of he was like man keith can i ask you a question man is anything that i can do man that you see you've been watching tape on us anything that i can do to get better man or who even asked me a question you i'm saying i think i think that plays a part that play a part too i mean i was talking to matt patricia too look yeah and i asked mattie p a question like all right so coach y'all going to be following is that is y'all going to let him just

follow or y'all going to lean that safety with a little bit of help or what then mattie p kind of was like nah kid you got to see that in the car he almost told me he almost gave me the game right there I was close to getting the game from mattie p but he so once you hear it do is there if you hear something in a production meeting have you thought about this if you hear something in the production meeting that you're like okay that guy slipped up and i could get him into some trouble you got to walk the line right between all right i'm gonna leave that off yeah yeah i don't think i'm i'm not going use it to get nobody in trouble. I'm going to use it for myself, man. If there's some information that I could use. To prepare. To prepare, right. If there's some information that I could use.

So I'm like, okay, boom, uh, Trufine following McLaurin. Like, that's just helpful for me. So you know what game starting and we started talking about these guys. Booba started talking about Truffine. Oh, yeah, he's going to have his hands full today. He's going to be following McLaren all day. That'll leave him money with the assignment to follow Cam's Simpson. Just get me something to, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, absolutely. So I, you know, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a player-friendly media guy at the end of the day. And you got to be. And it's hard. It's hard. Sometimes you accidentally cross the line and you're like, no, I'm not that fucking guy. You can trust me, that sort of thing. But it can be tough.

I don't think I could be that guy. I don't think I could be the guy who will leak some shit. Like, oh, yeah, he said, fuck Nagy on the low. I don't know if he was playing around, but it didn't seem like in the third quarter. I never go on TV and use that part, man. That's just, that's not what I'm in it for. Once you do that and it looks purposeful, guys don't trust you anymore. It's over. It's over. Who did you watch before you got in the booth?

Do you like, you know, you watch tape of players. Who do you like listen to his color commentators over the years? Shit, you know, you got to start with the best, right? You start with the best. The best is dictated on that check. Yeah, the check. Got the highest check. Of course, you start out watching Romo.

Let me see how Romo do. Let me see. After the days, what do he talk about, blowouts, what he talk about, close games. Like, you know what I'm saying? I'm just, I started off with Romo. I watched Troy Aikman. I watched Charles Davis. I think them the three guys, I really, when I let the comment, the broadcast version of the game go,

if I wasn't watching Detroit or Washington, I was watching one of those guys' game, and I was listening to how they called the game. If you could do a play-by-play with anybody in history that's been in the booth, who would it be? Dead or alive? You can go back to Pat Summerall, man. Yeah, see, I'm thinking, you know, I'm like John Matting, but John Matten is the color. commentator, yeah. You know what I'm saying?

He's not a play-by-play guy, but play-by-play guys, I'd probably definitely go Pat Summerall, man. He's a legend. He's a legend. Dang God, I'm saying. He won the game for so long. That would bring us back some nostalgic days playing Madden 04. I mean, I was playing Madden 96, some of these young people listening.

You don't even know about Madden 69. You both. Look. Some old motherfuckers. How about Game Day mechanics? Okay, what's the biggest thing that shocked you? I know you got people in your ear. Where are you watching?

How do you watch the game outside end? Do you watch the field? Do you watch a monitor? What's going on in the booth to tell people how nuts it is? So game day mechanics, you got your monitor right here. This is what everybody's seeing at home. Yeah. Then I got my stats monitor right here. Ooh, got a stats.

I got my All-22 monitor right here. And I got my Teletraitor monitor right here. So like I said at the beginning of the game, I'm like, shit, am I going to watch the all-22? Am I watching the game right here? But I kind of was trying to find a rhythm. but the rhythm I found that worked for me is shit. I just watched the game from the booth. I watched the field.

I can see the disguises. I really watch the defense. I'm seeing the disguises. I'm seeing if they blitz. I watched the offense personnel. So I get the offense kind of like I did in the game. In the game, I never waited for the coach to give me the personnel. I just look at their sideline.

I see who come in the game. See who go out. Hey, 21. I always had the personnel before they sent it in. I was the personnel dude on our team. So I always pay attention to their sideline. So I kind of did that. I see, okay, they're in the left.

I know what the defense is in, then at the defense, I kind of see where guys moving at, what coverage they is. Oh, did they blitz? Did they not blitzed? And what coverage they was in? So I got that down packed

before the replay even come. So then I kind of see what they in, see if they bliss, and then boom, I switch to the offense real quick and see if it's a run or pass or that was my flow. I found. I had to break down the defense,

and then when the ball snap, kind of get on the offense and watch whatever I'm going to watch. Do they yell at you while you're talking or do they wait for you to like? You got a producer in one ear. So if you see the game, it was like early in the game, Adrian Peterson was in. He first got in the game.

He had like two runs, and then I'm going to comment on these runs because I know how I've been watching. I see how they use Adrian Peterson. They bring the big guys in. They give them the ball or they fake it to them, boom, they take shots. Right out the gate. They faked it to them, boom, took a shot, hit it. Oh, I was ready to talk. I started, well, they hurried up or something.

They hurried up. They ain't know if it was a catch. So I talked, my TV coach, Jerry Madeline, he's like, Don't talk over the rev. Don't talk over the snap. I started. I started the thought and then who they hurried to got to the ball. I stopped it.

And I'm like, damn. I'm sitting here like, damn, should I should have finished that. It's kind of quiet now. I'm like, that was one of the moments. I'm like, all right, next play, man, let's just go. They get the ball to Agent Peterson. He had like a 15, 12-yard run.

So boom, I'm like, all right, I'm going to hop in and finish that thought. Then you hear him right in the middle. I'm saying, well, Agent and Peterson, they like the brain. Then the producer coming in here. Let's go to Carissa for a game break. I'm like, shit.

It's like, oh, I can stop my thought again. So you definitely, you got to just find that rhythm, man. You got the game, what people here at home in this ear, and you got your producers in this ear, and they'll talk over you. He'll get your countdown and everything, man. So you got to be on your shit. You just got to get used to talking over what you hear in your ear.

I had to get used to that. I don't think people realize how many things are going on in people's heads. And they're saying, okay, we're getting out. We're going to commercial. We got a break right now. Like, okay, hey, you want this stat on Adrian Peterson? here's a stat on him like I know that there's a lot of

replay on this we got to the replay you got about 15 seconds you want to draw it up on the telestrater now we can we'll come to it after this place another play going I'm drawing up the last play is man the names and the names like I saw Joe Buck's sheet Joe Buck's sheet is like full of like hieroglyphics bro

it's like I can't even discern what he's writing out it's just he's got all the names and all the information on his sheet do you have one of those sheets yet yeah one of those boards Yeah, one of the big boards. That probably feels cool.

You should have seen Dan, though. Dan got two boys taped together. He got a roster tape right here on the monitor. Before the game, he taping shit together. I don't got nothing but one little card in my phone. Am I, them saying? What's going on? Do I need more shit right here?

No, less is more. Some guys like to show up and play a little bit. What's the game day fit for you? Because I saw Joe Buck, my guy, got skewered over his camel car coat the other night on Thursday night football. What's the game day fit for? I had on the little, what you say? L.A.V. or L.A.V.?

Dude, I'm so afraid to fucking pronounce that. I've seen, you know that you always see those people come in the building to fit everybody for suits and I never talk to them once because I can't dress. I've been known what since 2008. My rookie year, right? My rookie guy bought five suits from a Monday, never worn. Good for you.

Hey, when it comes to like a dream matchup, if there's one game that you want to call, before I ask you one or two NFL questions to get you out of here. One game, two teams, what situations would you like to call? Obviously, it be a Super Bowl, but would it be like a Hail Mary in the Super Bowl? Would it be an onside kick? Would it be a big comeback? Give me your fantasy.

This is the game I want to call one day. Yeah, I want to call a high-scoring game, man. Give me some defensive touchdowns in there, a straight nail-biter to the end. Something like our Monday or Sunday night game, Rams in a. Chiefs. That's the one I'm thinking about. That's the one from two years ago. I'm thinking about that in a Super Bowl. That was one of the most exciting games I've ever seen. A game like that, make it like an NFC championship or a Super Bowl or an FC championship game. Yeah. Or even if it's just like a Monday night or something, you know what I'm saying? Just a spotlight game.

Defense of plays, though, man. Yeah, but this is not a no-fly zone game where the score is going to be low because you guys are out there. I mean, I won't even mind calling the game like that, honestly. Like, all right, Super Bowl, Rams and Rams and the Patriots. I felt like it was great defensive plays being made that game. It's a lot of, that's cool. That's favorite in my favorite because I can explain to me. You know,

it'd look like I know something in those type of games. Look like I know some. I'm doing a lot of explaining and stuff like that. But if I had to pick one, man, I'll definitely pick a nail-biter blowout Rams and Chiefs type of game. Nice. All right, cool. NFL stuff.

What's the place? I mean, I mean, we're going to talk about New England for a second, but what's the place you learned the most playing? Was it New England? I see your jerseys behind you. You played on some great defenses. You played with some other great players.

Did you learn the most in New England or somewhere else that helped you kind of learn what you're doing now? I say Denver, man. New England taught me a lot. But Joe Woods, man. Shout out Joe Woods. He's the defensive coordinator for the Browns right now, right? Yeah. He was our defensive backs coach in Denver.

Yeah. And he really taught us that kick step, that technique, right? and I feel like, man, once I learned that technique, I became all pro status every year. Like, it didn't matter how fast guys was. It gave me something to stand on, right? So that's, look, that's year 7. I learned a major technique in year's 7, 8, 9, 10.

It probably my best year's plan. Dude, it's like coaching matters. Like, you know, it's just sometimes we assume with these players that when we see a quarterback struggling, okay, we always assume it's just happening in a vacuum. You know, they all the next to them is happening in the back. They do. We don't, yeah.

But we as the public now that we're on the other side of it. It's just like, it's just every, every situation matters. You could get more or less out of a player depending on the situation they're in. The players, they're playing around, the coaches. I mean, like, we looked at Nick Foles last night. Okay, it's Tuesday for the people listening. Nick Foles is not playing well. Nick Foles is not maybe your go-to guy for a decade.

But Nick Foles has had two high highs. in different schemes. So the bears, in my opinion, I'm looking at them too. I'm saying, you've got to get something out of this guy. I mean, he's shown at other places. So what's the deal? That's a perfect example to me.

I mean, you know, there's great players in this league who have, who have, they get into funks. A lot of it's because of the coaching and the scheme and that sort of thing. Is New England a contender team right now? Because they tried to make them one the other night on Sunday night football. Chris was trying to will them to be a contending team. I don't see it. They could be.

You really think so. I think they can get there, man. They, they, it's build on defense. I see the shit that they was running against Lamar. They had one defense. I'm like, is they playing man? If they're playing a zone, they got guys floating on the outside, waiting for Lamar to run.

They got Dave almost spying him and robbing stuff in the middle at the same time. It's just like some shit that I can't even tell you what coverage this is. Well, I know they wanted to pack the middle and, and make Lamar beat you outside, right? But then the rain came. But then the rain came. So now they're like, we don't even. worried about the past. We kind of stopping Lamar from running. So I'm telling you, they, I don't know what it was, man. It's build on defense. But I feel like, man, that offense, if they could tote that

rock, if they could stay healthy and they could keep toting that rock like that. And then they get one guy to come alive like Myers. They get a guy who can win some one-on-one matchups because you almost got to play man against them. Right. Right. They get a guy who can win some one-on-one matchups, man. They slide in the number seven, maybe number six. I feel like they're a spoiler. They could beat anybody because they're so unorthodox and it's so annoying to play a team like that but i just don't see them like being that super bowl team i mean no that's just me now i don't see him i don't see them as like the top contender of the afc right now but i see them being able to slide in to be able to be able to slide in fuck somebody's day up six and seven six or seven and you know

bill just got that shit man he got that direct line to the football guys like he said hey that's he turned the rain on Mark coming to town, man. Y'all think I get a fucking tsunami. It's all right. It's a bit. It gets a tsunami bill. Dude, it worked out for him.

He got that. I mean, I think as the season go on and this weather starts, you know, late in the season, the weather start, you know what I'm saying, affecting games, right? And you know what Bill used to say the season doesn't start until after Halloween or whatever. That was the whole thing. I tell every show I say that. Bill always said the season don't start to November anyway. So now he's going to really start game planning.

he really know what he got now I like him to slide in like seven man and surprise some people maybe win hey it's bill two and oh in November that's a great point and they're two and oh in November how about Drew Breeze being on the sideline that sounded like a that sounds like a rough injury

I never had a lung punctured I've had broken ribs I know it's got to be tough to throw the football listen it felt like they just got back to firing on all cylinders and they kicked the bucks asses so you're like these guys got this division on lock what happens now how long can they survive without Drew?

I honestly think they're going to be hard. I think they're staying the same position they is now. Because James James, we laugh and we joke about James all the time. But shit, he'd get it done, man. He threw the ball around. His nuts to the flow.

Yeah, the nuts are definitely on the floor. He made big time. I played against James one time where he caught absolute fire on us. Yeah. and was hitting everything quick decisions. He was like all pro. Was this to L.A.? Was this in L.A.?

Yes. I remember that game. Caught fire on us, bro. It was like a whole different James Winston. And then, you know, sometimes he tried to force things. He threw a lot of picks. But I think that's where somebody like Sean Payton come in, man. He just, you know, you wanted a quarterback whisperers or the lead.

You know what I'm saying? So it's your job to bring that turnover number down, you know what I'm saying? Right, exactly. Like what we just talked about. You got to get something out of him. here. You've got a guy who's talented and he's been sitting here watching for almost the whole season. I think what's working in his favor is, Keith, we've seen, like, we've seen guys who were rookies take the field with no warning this year and play well. It's been like that kind of year,

like guys with no training camp, no OTAs. What surprised me, the most have been young quarterbacks stepping right in and playing well. You got a guy with that talent and Sean Peyton on the sideline. He should be able to be serviceable, but that's the key. He's got to be serviceable, not to take big chances guy. In my opinion. I think he's going to be straight. When Drew left the game, they had seven points. Yeah.

They end up with 27 points, you know what I'm saying? And win, you know what I'm saying? He came in. This week he had prepared as the starter. You know what I think he'll up his confidence a little bit. And, man, he got the weapons, man. He got he got Mike, he got Cook, Camaro. He got the weapons surrounding you.

And you got a great offense you stepping into, man. So I think the saint's going to be a lot. I think he's going to do some Teddy Bridgewater type shit and really be... That's the tape he's got to watch because last year they didn't lose this stuff. I think he just auditioning to either stay here or to be on auditioning for the mother 31 teams, man. I'd love for him to stay there. If Drew calls it quits, I'd love to see him winning in the division where he got run out of his old town. I think that'd be a cool, happy ending for him. So... Yeah, you know how guys is on that. It's almost like a contract year, Paul.

Oh, yeah. how we is on the contract year. We had an extra little mojo, extra little fire up so he probably up right now, studying or who know what's today. Yeah, he found his day off. He probably got the building right now. Uh-huh. You know how you be on when your contract year is, man? So he got something to

prove. A little extra pep in the step. Last question, because you were on one of the best defenses in NFL history, certainly in recent history. Are there any great defenses this year? Just some. I don't I don't know if I say great because the Ravens play a weird way, man.

They, they dominate people at the beginning of the games. And then they get leads and then they kind of start playing their soft defenses and teams start, you know, getting some little shit at the end. Eagles did that to them. It makes their stats not look as good as they should look, right? Yeah. But I don't know. That's just how they play.

But we had way, like we used to get up. way it used to be like, nah, y'all want to be the best D in the league? Y'all want to be known as the best. Well, all, we stand on their ass. We're playing. We're up 14, 17, and the 4th. We're going to still play, man, if y'all want to be the best. And they used to kind of crank us up.

Like, hell yeah, let's go then. Yeah. We ain't letting up. But, you know, I mean, that's their style of coaching. They, you know, they let you let you get yards. But I'll say they're probably still the best D in the league, man. I like that right. They got it.

They got it up front. They could stop guys. Claire's Camel get back in there. they can stop guys from running the ball. You can't really throw the ball on them when they don't want you to and they generate turnovers out the gate. They score touchdowns, they fast.

I like the group right up the road in Pittsburgh. I mean, I know they've kind of taken a step back this year, but I guess that's it. When you came to the season this year, you were like, okay, there's one really dominant defense because Pittsburgh played last year like a defense that had no room for error. And I think that's one of the biggest things is, and you've been on defense as you know this.

It's hard to explain to fans. You're busting your ass like you want to pitch a shutout no matter what. But it's a little bit easier to do that when you know the guys on the other side of the football, you know, you're dealing with Mason Rudolph and not Ben Rathlisberger. So like speak to that because you got some teams this year that I feel like they relax a little bit because their offenses are playing well. How do you keep that mentality? Because you guys weren't offensively prolific that year.

How do you keep that? we have no room for error mentality on a good team that you guys had that year. I think it's the guys, man. It's take the guys in the in the huddle, man. So we had guys like me. We had guys like Vaughn. Yeah. Man, we just had real leaders on our team who, you know, we practiced a certain way.

We met a certain way. Like, I can recall me like, man. Hey, coach, we need a break, man. Von Tired, man. Come on, man. We get up and walk out. I'm gonna get up and walk out. Like, man, come on, bro.

We start to meet one time ready. Like, just hold each other accountable, man. I think it's starting to meet a room. And you just got to, you just got to set that goal at the beginning of the year. Like, man, we're going to be the best being the league. Right. And it takes a couple people. Everybody, you got soldiers too, but it takes a couple leaders to stand on that all year.

And I think we had that, man. You got to have the dogs, man. Right coach who cared about that shit, too. Our coach care about stats. Wade Phillips care about being their best. Yeah. And that rub off on the players, man. So some coaches don't care about that.

Some coaches just, you know what I'm saying? We have playing a great game, man. Let's make these dudes take long to score now and ease up a little bit and make them. If they're going to score, it's going to take them six minutes to score. Yeah. Or five minutes to score. So way it ain't look at the game like that. You guys kept the pedal to the metal even when you were up like that.

And we tried to, at least we tried to keep the pedal to the metal as much as we could. Akeep Tili, man, the newest voice in Sunday football. and I am excited to see my guy in the booth killing it. And we'd love to have you back another time. I want to let you plug your pod real quick because you've got a couple of pods I hear. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Call to the booth, man.

It's on all the major Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube, me and Harrison Sanford. That's my co-host, man. It's called to the booth. We do a little, you know, DFS stuff, man. We do two shows. It's on Wednesday and Friday. Wednesday we talk, you know, football,

the past weekend. Friday, we kind of help you out on your DFS lineups, fantasy, and all that kind of stuff. It's fun, man. It's fun, man. And I got another one coming out, Catching Fades. It's called Catching Fades. It's in the works right now, man. Y'all are here by soon.

The dual meaning there. Yes, sir. That's exactly why we picked it. I know. You're the man, dude. Akeve to leave. Hey, check him out on Sundays on Fox, and we'd love to get you back on here. Take it easy, bro.

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a lot of fun to catch up with a guy hadn't seen in a while. I've spoken to in a while. And great to see he's doing good. Look forward to seeing more of him in the booth. Also, interesting to see that he had very specific people that he watches, that he prepped through watching. He mentioned Charles Davis, Troy Aikman, Tony Romo was the gold standard, said that he would call a game with Pat Summerall.

If you call a game with anybody throughout history, The guy is a student of the game. You could tell as a player calling out personneles and shit. Like he beat the coaches to the punch on that sort of thing. That's the type of player he was. And that's the type of guy he is in the booth. Let's go to Matthew McConaughey. One more time.

A little background here. The book is called Green Lights. It's about identifying things in your life that are green lights and identifying the things in your life that are red lights disguised as green lights, yellow lights, that sort of thing. Most of you guys have your driver's licenses, I would hope, that listen to this pod, because some of the language isn't great. Think about that when you're listening to him break down kind of his mantra as he applied

it to the book and shared some of his life experiences. I had a lot of fun doing this interview, and he was very gracious with his time, Matthew McConaughey. Matthew McConaughey, who needs no introduction, although I, did intro I'm coming in. The book was great. I don't read a lot of books, which is a flaw of mine. This thing flew by. I think one reason this flew by, man, is because you don't try to be too, you don't try

to overthink anything. You speak it in a way that people can understand it. Do you consciously do that in the book? I mean, it's profound, but it's simple. Yeah. I mean, you know, I mean, I've done a lot of thinking to get it down to where it's simple. You know, early drafts, like an early thought, I can look at it.

That's how I kind of do all my creative work. The first version is long and way overridden. And then I just try to nestle that down and go, okay, let's get rid of all the wasted shit that you don't need in here. And what's the nut of the conversation? And what is it? How can I express it in a way that's true to me, but also relatable to you or whoever else can read it? Yeah, and everything is relative. Like some of these stories are, you know, only stories that somebody with your life experiences or access might be.

be able to to gain, but people have to go apply it to their lives in their own ways, right? Yeah. I mean, no one's going to have, you know, a particular, the exact same kind of year I had where I was saying an exchange student abroad in Australia for a year right out of high school. It was a hellacious insane year. No one will have that exact experience, but everybody's had a time where they're all feeling lost going, what the hell's going on? I got to find my footing. I got to get back on track and how the hell do I do it. I got no one else to rely on but me. So everyone's got that time in their life.

And everyone's probably found a green light asset from that time after it happened, even though they were going through hell. Everyone was probably going, oh, there actually was a lesson I learned when I look back at that. And so, you know, in that way, hopefully my stories are relatable. Yeah, they are relatable. I was going back through, and we'll get to a few of the moments that resonated with me. The Australia trip was won. Holy shit.

talk about being trapped. I mean, in that age, like, you know, like, it's not the, the iPhone age either, where you can FaceTime people and whatnot. It was the shining age. Yell as loud as you want and nobody can hear. I just got done reading a book. Actually, the last book I read was about Australia and just how desolate it can be. And that story, I was like, oh, shit, he's not going to Sydney. I get where this is going. He's going to the outback, basically. I think one of the coolest things about the book is that it's called greenlight and that it is about our podcast, which is really cool. It's all about your podcast.

We also have another thing in common. Our dad's played in the NFL. The size sounds like it checks out, 6-4-265. My old man, 6-5-270. One of the things that resonated with me is your dad, you loved him, you respected him, but you feared him. Your dad was scary, but when you came to him and told him, I'm changing career pass.

You know, here. It reminded me of my pops because what he said to you was, don't half ass it, whatever you do. It wasn't, I want you to do this thing. It was do whatever you're doing 100 miles an hour. And that's what my dad told me. Well, that's, our dads are obviously similar in that way. I mean, that's what, and you said,

your version, do it 100 miles an hour. My dad's version was don't half ascent. If I wasn't convicted about going, hey, no, I really want to do this, dad. And my dad heard that in my voice when I said, I don't want to go to law school, I want to go to film school. I think, and that's the first time he is,

had ever heard me say anything other than going to law school. But the way I said that to him, he could tell that I was nervous to call him and ask him about it, but he could tell I'd made it my mind. I've been doing thinking about it and I believed it. In 10 seconds on that phone call, he, one, is hearing his son say he wants to take a career path in the arts and not be a lawyer, which he was always expected to be. But he hears his son, me say it in a way that he's like, oh, my son's going his own way. He's making a rebel move.

He's breaking out of the mold. He's coming up. He's choosing his own path. And ultimately, I think that's what any great parent loves for their kids. If we're going to bring it up, if we're going to break out of the mold, our parents, when he hears, you better mean it. You know, because we've all, I've done it before where I didn't mean it. You know, oh, I really want to do this.

Come on. I want to be a skateboarder. Can I just get in you, buy me the elbow pads and knee pads? Are you sure you want to do this? Yeah, dad. I really want to do it. I want to take it seriously. Bullshit.

I didn't. You know, it was one summer. and it was gone. It was a fad. But I think he heard in my voice there going like, okay, if this is not a fad you're talking about. This is something you're going to really grab a hold of and go balls for the walls with, don't half ass it. How do you spot the difference in your own life between an idea and a conviction because, you know, as an ADD long sufferer here, I get ideas all the time. And I've had various costumes I wanted to try on throughout my life. You know, like, and that's not that you're not, you don't know who you are. But as you grow up, you try different things. And you, you,

And you see something. That looks cool. I want to go do that. How do you spot the things that you're convicted about in relation to the things that are just cool ideas? Yeah. And look, I still go through the same thing all the time. Now I can get ate up with ideas. Right.

And, you know, I've got a line in the book. A man ate up with ideas needs to be putting some starvation. A man ate up with truths needs to be fed. Right. Yeah. You know, but we got a, you know, there's a testing time, man. And I talk about this in the process of elimination. It's hard as hell to figure out who we are and what we want to do.

Right. But it's easier to start that journey by saying, well, wait a minute. Who the hell am I not? Yeah. What is it that I'm not? Where do I not want to go? By process of elimination, let me put over here, the people, the places, the time I spend, that really don't feed me. They're a green light, but they're plugged into a battery.

You know what I mean? They're not hooked up to the AC or solar power. They're not long-lasting green lights. Right. Invicted about. So you kind of go, okay, I know for me, you know, as I got older, I started to realize time is my life where I was like, oh, I'm loving it. I'm single. I'm rolling.

But this is a stop, not a stay. Right. All right. Give yourself a license to enjoy this for a while. But you know, you do know. Or the time, you know, start dating a woman after, for me, after 28 years old. I wasn't going to date anyone. if I didn't believe that they might have potential for us to get together and become a long-term relationship and maybe have children.

Right. Because at that point, that's a red light? Well, at that point, you're just, no, at that point, you're probably just doing circles in a yellow light. You know what I mean? You just got the steering wheel crank to the left and you're just going to circles. And that's okay for a while. It's a fun circle, you know. But it comes to time where you're like, let's have some ascension here.

Let's get down the road and see if I, see if I. If the person has the potential is the right person for us. So, you know, look, and sometimes I try to measure now from my life now, do I love it? Is it something that, you know, I project 10 years ahead? And I go, I try to look back and have an interview with myself 10 years from now and go, this thing you want to do right now, what would you, what are you going to think about it in 10 years? Yeah. Is it going to be something that you're going to be honored with?

Is it something that's maybe going to live on for the rest of your life that you're going to hand off to your kids. That's the real green lights there. The ones that'll outlive us. But look, man, I dibble and dally, and then sometimes I have gotten into things that I only liked and I learned to love them.

And was damn glad that I took the chance because it was just an idea, but it turned into a conviction. But yeah, you got to watch it. I mean, look, I hear you. You get so many dim ideas you look up and you go, I need more than 24 hours in the day. And the last time I checked, they ain't given more than 24. Dude, my brain never stops. And I'm not saying that like I'm bragging.

It's actually a fucking problem. The book's called Green Lights, and this is Green Light singular guys. So for the listeners out there, don't get confused. This is coincidence. You know, I'm looking back through my life, and I'm looking at my football career. You know, I played 11 years. A lot of people would kill for that career, you know, two Super Bowl, whatever. All the things that you would think fulfilled you, right?

But I sometimes didn't feel fulfilled. And even at the end, you really walk away from the game with as many insecurities as you do. victories, right? And what's worse is in the last two years since I called it quits, I've grown exponentially as a human being. And so the thing that everybody looks as a success in like your life's work, which is why I think a lot of guys struggle with it existentially when they leave the game. They're no longer that person, but you've been the same fucking person all along. That 11-year career obscured my view. It didn't allow me to grow personally. There are things I've learned about myself that like, I hate that about you, Chris, or

Or this is more of this, please. Or, dude, I just don't like that person. I never was able to do that self-inventory because I was under the gun. Or because it obscured my view. So is that career a green light? Is it a yellow light? Is it a red light? Well, shit is obviously, I mean, it's obviously ultimately, it's obviously a green light.

Whether you notice that tomorrow or on your deathbed or you're, you know, the next generation notices it. I mean, that's, that's, you know, until, my guess is that until you've latched onto something here, which you seem like you're latching onto things in the last two years of going, oh, this is, I'm growing into more, more of myself now in the next, these last two years since you retired, you latch on to something. You're going to, I think, probably have a new look at that 11 years. You're going to be able to see, ah, you're going to probably be able to go, you damn right. I did. I was on, I was on the big stage. I maybe I did maybe I felt like I was now maybe now I'm saying I didn't grow as much as I did but

oh come on a meaning meaning a lot of things I know that I meant I in my past and I found this going back to the book that I said I'm going to be ashamed about I'm going to be embarrassed about I ended I ended up laughing at and forgive myself for and going you know obviously you're thinker I'm a thinker we got to watch so we don't get that old paralysis of analysis man we can overthink something and just go what the fuck man it's a Saturday I'm just going to this. I'm not quit thinking about it. I got to play on the field. I got to be a gladiator on the field. And that's what I was for 11 years. And I came out of it and I'm still walking around. And that's what I did. I was on the playground. I mean, we get a little less, I think,

sentimental about it over time. But it probably takes finding out what it is. What's our line now? What's our frequency? Our new frequency. When that was your only frequency, but you're going, hey, that ain't the station that really I ultimately want to be tuned into. But I listen to that station for 11 years. And I was good on that station. I was part of the band on that station. And all right. So I think we give ourselves, I mean, I know for me, I've had to learn. Nobody forgives. I forgive myself later than anybody else forgives me. I'm the last to forgive myself. Sounds about right. Yeah. And you go away, you know, you spend time with yourself. You got to figure out, okay, what shit am I going to forgive myself for? And what am I going to say

the buck stops here? I'm not putting up with it anymore. And we got to shake hands with ourselves because we're the only seven bitches we can't get rid of. I've tried. I've tried. I wake up every morning. It doesn't work. So I guess one of the most interesting things to me was, again, getting back to your dad because I thought that was a really, he was one of the most interesting characters in the

book. Maybe the central character outside yourself, not just his support. He comes out of the gate so hot like he's this scary fucking guy. You guys are getting in fights. You know, corporal punishment. We could save that for another pod. You're doing all right. Yeah, I got hurt, I wasn't injured

Yeah, one of the coolest things was he kind of softened And showed his sentimental side And his supportive side at different points And then, you know, learning that he passed away Five days into your first big movie I wonder if you look back at it And you had him here today Which movie he'd be most proud of

Or that you could show him one flick Yeah, well, let me tell you about that You know, to go back that Don't Half Asset There was some serendipity in the fact that he he died five days into my first movie days confused, which turned out to be a career. Right. That I had not half-hassy.

So all those other fads, like I talked about earlier, skateboard and all that stuff, he was alive for me to start what became more than a hobby. That has always made me feel like, yes, all right, we had a crossover there. At least he was alive for that. Now, the movie I think that I see him coming up to me as a 12-year-old, and going, hey, buddy, you seen this movie, Mud?

Oh, it's a good, it's a good one. Let's go watch it. That's the one where he'd have been like, it's a good one. That was his deal. Oh, it's a good one. Oh, yeah. Let's check it out. I think it was it mud.

Mud would be the one, I think. That's the one I see. He would have liked all of them. I miss, you know, sharing a script with him. Because he would have loved reading the script and having an opinion. Or asking him, hey, do you know anybody? And you're like, oh, yeah, this is like, like, Don McGlaglo. and he's sort of like to hear his stories and hear him ham it up and say,

he reminds me of this and to hear a different point of view on characters and stories. I think about that a lot with him. And, you know, I got stories in there about my mom. While I was on the proverbial famous stage, she wanted the limelight. Right. All right. Dad wouldn't have wanted the line. Dad would have been on the front row, but he wouldn't have wanted to be absolutely in the limelight.

He had been there as sort of a, real supporter on the front row. And I do miss creatively going over things with him and hearing his opinion on stuff. You ever think about that oyster shack that, you know, I thought that was a really cool little tidbit there, you know, and does it say anything about like this dude worked his ass off his whole life? He's got this kind of vision like, you know, you know, Robbins and Shawshank or, you know, that beach, right? Yeah. And you never get to that beach, but he lived a hell of a life. You know, does that say something about our deepest aspirations? You can still have a successful existence that's intrinsically awesome for everybody around you,

but you just don't, you never get that extra credit thing. And you can still have hit the ball out of the park. But you're chasing it. Yeah, that's what it's about. You know, you're chasing it. I think as far, you know, I think we individually as people are an aspiration. I think America is an aspiration, meaning we're always chasing yet. we never have been arrived.

We never get there. America's not going to find perfect social justice. We're not going to find the utopia we chase. But that's not the point. The point is we keep chasing it. And hopefully there's a little evolution and a little escalation. Our better selves, our truest selves, man, what better thing to chase? What better thing to be an investigator of, an interrogator of?

Get up every day and being like, I'm going to chase it a little more today. And then we never get there. We don't have a ta-da moment. I made it. No, we don't have it. We never reached the shack. We never actually, you know, you get the shack. My dad's dream was the oyster shack on the beach.

If he had the oyster shack on the beach, hell, I don't know. Maybe he would have been like, today I've retired. But it would have opened up new things. I don't know. That's the question. Somebody asked me in a mailbag the other day. We do a stone mailbag. So I sit here and I hit my pen until I'm cross-eyed.

And then I try to answer our listeners questions. And somebody asked me if I could have one superpower or which superpower if I woke up with in the morning would have I pissed off about. I would be pissed off to be, and this was listed on Google, I don't know how this is a superpower, omniscient. If I knew everything,

I mean, it's over. It's over. That's how I feel about destinations, and one of the biggest things I had to get out of my head in my own life. And you know, you're somebody who's, it's apparent, you are an individual in the best sense of the word.

You never cease exploring. you're curious. I was afraid of marriage. I was afraid of a family. I was afraid of a destination. I've been afraid of destinations my whole life when I was 18. I thought about being 40. Me too, man.

Yeah, I mean, like, I hear you. So how do you get over that thing? Because you're somebody who's like done all the crazy shit, and I've heard the interviews and I've read the book. And like, you're synonymous with some crazy shit. That's like everybody would love to just go do that wild thing.

Act on your wild hair. You can't get up and do the, you know, the stuff that you did in running downhill. that chapter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, you know, you can't just wake up one day and be spontaneous. How do you reckon with destinations? Yeah.

Well, I'm not like, a desk, what I, you know, that's why, that's, hence the title, green lights. What are you doing in the green light? You're going. You're on the way. That's why I don't really care for destinations. Because, you know, the verb is the holy word, man. The verb, which life is on the ways, what's fun.

You know, I got a, I got a, my mentor who was an acting coach, I do so much preparation. I like, I love to come into scenes. And she was like, you love to come into scenes, stable. There you go. Right. You're solid. She goes, okay, you've done the work. Now, she goes, you want to have some real fun?

I go, yeah, she goes, come into the scene on one leg and try and find your balance once you're in it. That's what's fun. It's not, it's the overcoming of whatever, the finding, the seeking, beyond the way that I find so fun. Then it's like a relationship. Families, I'm with you. I was scared of marriage. Family. Jeez, oh man, get married. Is the adventure over? It sounded like death for a while. Am I, like, you know, as a younger dude, you know, my lovely wife, Meg, who, you know, she's maybe 50, 50, listen to the pod. Meg, you know how happy I am to be married to you. I love you so much. I love

the kids so much. But we've talked about this. There's a, there is a fear, you know, for some people settling down. But once you settle down, you realize it's, it's really. really no different life's possibilities are still endless. And then wild new adventures open back up, you know. And how do you keep it going, though, in a relationship as well with our wives? How do you keep, we want to keep chasing each other. We don't want to get in a relationship where we're like looking at each other going, okay, I know everything about you, you know everything about me, he's ho-hum, what do we do now?

Yeah. You know, we want to stay on the adventure with our partner and charge forward. having kids is part of that adventure for sure. Yeah. But that's not all of it because we made them, and we got to remind them of that, that we're first, mom and dad are number one. You know what I mean? It's healthy to be, you know, not number one, but like 50-50.

Hey, I'm still important here. And my, because if I don't feel fulfilled and I'm having some midlife crisis and I'm, like, losing my mind because I haven't traveled or I haven't gone to do this bucket list thing or that thing, then I'm not going to be as good of a dad either. Well, 100%. The best, you know, the husband, the best thing exists. example we can give our kids to show them how we love their mother. Yeah.

You know, and that that's the best thing that the mothers can give the kids to show them how they love their dad. But hey, we got to watch this thing, too. I'm sure, I don't know about you, but Camille and I got to watch, man. We got three kids. We got my mom here with us, who's 88. Damn, man, there's some nights where all of a sudden we look up and 10 o'clock at night. It's the first time we're going, hi, hey, how are you doing? I just finally got the kids to bed, I handled everything. And we've got to go, hey, let's not have too many days in a row like that. We got to sneak off for a date or solo time somewhere and check in a little earlier.

She's really good about reminding me of that. But that's part of keeping that adventure going. I mean, you know, you're now married. You got kids. It hadn't got less adventurous. No. We cannot tomorrow. We can't, you and I can't decide right now, let's go to Africa tomorrow with a backpack.

We'll be back with a one-way ticket. be back when we're ready to come back. That's irresponsible. We can't do that. Our friends understand that now. It takes him a while that, hey, Chris, you can't, wait a minute. We should just call you up and we can go. I need 12 hours before I go down to Miller's in Charlottesville here and slam eight butt heavy. So, yeah, no, but you know what's replaced is like when I do go to East Africa and it's funny, you mentioned that like, and I'm climbing Kili or whatever. And all we have is a fucking sat phone. It's the most terrifying thing in the world. I feel tethered where, you know, at one point in my life, I'll be it very brief. I had the autonomy to make moves I needed to make,

but without being tethered. Then, you know, we had kids and we started a family. Now, I actually don't mind being tethered because it's a trade-off. The kids were like a missing piece for me. You know, like the old Shell Silverstein thing. Like, I searched for my identity far and wide. I knew who I was, but like, why am I living? Because to live for myself is insufficient.

And at some point, and actually it came right on time, because I was going through a tough time in my career, and it was questioned, you know, existential stuff, which is dangerous. And the kids came along. And I felt like, holy shit, this is why I'm alive, you know, so the tethering, there's a tradeoff. Yeah, well, you go, you know, there's that, I've heard this quote about, you know, you can ask someone about the meaning of life and someone can intellectuals, we can talk about it for everybody. You ask, ask you, someone asked you that right if you had your first newborn.

You're like, this is it. Yeah. You know, what are you talking about? It's as simple as that. You know, the older man tells the new father tells the young man, what are you talking about? This is it. Yeah. You know, life, a birth.

I just helped create something that just be, you got introduced into the world and it's a living, breathing thing. Now I am immortal. We're not needed the first fucking six months, though. That's when you feel like, this is scary. You're kind of a blob. Yeah, we're just useless. But man, six months on, it was like I just fell in love with this new, a different kind of love that I've never felt.

And, you know, actually, I was going to save this for a minute from now. You know, I got my little fucking workflow here. I'm interviewing Matthew. I'm going to be on top of it. It's all going to be in order. Fuck that shit. You reminded me at Interstellar, which is one of my favorite movies of all time. And I'm not going to lie.

This is not a lie. I cried today, okay? Because in 2014, it hit me hard. I'm not a person that watches movies over and over again. I don't know about you. But, like, even my favorites like that. movie in particular. I've watched maybe two, three times. I watched, I got on YouTube today to jog my memory to ask you about the movie. And it's the scene where, you know, you are on the spaceship

and you're talking to Murph and company and your son. And, you know, it's a powerful scene, but I just started crying in my office at 11 in the morning. And for me, what that movie was at the time was confusing, but also exhilarating. and like trying to make sense of all this and then seeing this and digesting again is like I'm thinking about my kids I'm thinking about it it illustrated the inevitable prospect that you and your loved ones will no longer be together but the the mind fuck in that movie to me was that you have the ability to consciously digest that as as coop right you know like you're living and breathing Yeah. Talk about tethered. I mean, yeah. So I guess is that, did you think about that when you made the movie?

Like, have you thought about that as a theme with that movie? Because I know there's a thousand. For me, it's like, holy shit, that's what scares me about death. It's not dying. We're all going to die. Right. You know, they're going to put me in a furnace at some point. But like, because I don't want to be buried. But like your kids, man, like not being able to know them and be with them anymore. And then that leads me to think, why are we even doing this podcast? podcast. Why do we do any of the stuff we do? Shouldn't we just be in their faces all day for the moment that we're on the other side, whether that's in a library in the fourth or fifth

dimension or it's the afterlife? I think it's good. We have our podcasts in life that are independent from our kids. You know what I mean? It's good for them to get bored on their own and figure out how to do stuff. No, the re-entry is fun. How you doing it launches is also fun, 24-7. No, maybe just less time, though. There's so many things that I do when you talked about that. You know, with your wife and it's like 10 o'clock, you're like, I haven't seen you all day. Yeah, yeah.

And I'm prepping for stuff or I'm running around and doing stuff. And I just hit me this morning. It's like, there will be a point where we can't be together anymore. Sure. And that's what struck me about that movie. Yeah. Well, you talk to, you know, the wisest elders I've talked to do all very soberly say. enjoy this time with your family and your kids and your and your wife.

That's what's really important. And these are people that have, many of them have succeeded, you know, wealth and success career beyond. I often, I know I'm very selfish, man. I have,

I'm happy to love what I do. I'm happy that I keep chasing down stuff and creating. I need work from my own self-significance. Yeah. I like to accomplish things. I love to make my list and mark them off. You know what I mean? What I've done that day,

I need that structure to feel like myself is significant. If I was just with my kids, I'm good on a vacation with my kids for a couple of weeks, meaning I can handle being in nothing but the kids and me having a great time for about eight days. And then I've got to have a little something I've got to check in and build on my own, you know, on the side and still continue the vacation, but not completely free, just to be with nothing

but my children having fun. Yeah, man, I've gotten, worked into a pretty good relationship with death, I think, and our impermanence that we are and the impermanence of this life. But I think what turns me on about it in the kid part, and I said this word earlier, once we have kids, we're actually immortal. So that's not the end. Right. That we pull off the big magic trick having the children and making the children with their mother.

Yeah. That's our shadow. That's our light that we leave. That's the big green lights we're talking about that we leave in our lineage behind us. And hopefully they can have children. At the very base Darwinistic level, we've done that. We've survived. We've helped procreate. We've stayed alive longer. or pass after we're gone. So that excites me. And I don't, you know, I want my kids to be autonomous. I wanted to be self-reliant. I wanted to be confident. I want to be kind.

I want to be conscientious, all those things. But, you know, what are we got? I can figure if it's, I don't know what it is now. My house, it was you turn 18, done. You're out of the house. Move on, whether you want to or not. You know, nowadays kids stay around the house longer. I'm hoping my kids are going to want to go.

We're out of here at 18. We've got, and hopefully, Camilla and I've done a good enough job to have them suited to go negotiate the world on their own. And that'll be hard. I've heard many a father go, boy, taking your kid dropping them off at college the first time. Just father's weeping.

They're out of the house, you know? And now I have to watch them from afar. And hopefully we get to watch them fly and we've let them step in the right amount of shit. By the time they turned 18 to be able to now. navigate and negotiate that in real life. And let's see. Hey, we'll have a different conversation. How old are your kids?

One and a half them four. Waylon will be five in March. Okay. Well, I got 12, 10, 7. Yeah. So there's a great African proverb that no man should be an actual leader until he has raised kids through adolescents. Okay.

Well, I'm not there. You can be a captain of an NFL team, but I don't know shit about leadership. Yeah. No, and it's readily apparent. But I do think, as long as you know that, time is a fucking freight train like yeah and you're aware of that every day your feet hit the floor and you go see your kids in the morning and the and you know how quickly they're going to change if you have that mindset i think you're okay but it's inevitable that you're going to want to

slow it down so i mean let's take a hard right turn from death yeah to like interstellar was a great movie okay you've made a lot of great movies man and and and by the way mud the scene i remember was the snake scene because it reminds me a lonesome dove and i hate snakes yeah i remember the scene Lonesome Dove? Hell yeah, I remember that. Lonesome. I just sat my kids and mom. We watched it during quarantine.

We sat there and did it over four nights. It was great. That one of those like, Dad, what the fuck? My dad, on a rainy day in Montana, we're on vacation up there. We go every summer. And he has the whole family in there. And he's like, it's movie day, guys.

I got a great movie for everybody. And this is kids spanning, you know, 18 to 30 years old. And, you know, there's guests in the house. And we sat there and he's like, yep, it's called deer hunter. And so we all. Yes. So we all watched Deer Hunter. And by the time Russia Roulette rolling around, I'm looking at my dad, like, what the fuck, dude?

It is a great movie. The whole fucking room is like, Howie. And he's like, I forgot it was this dark. So it is a good movie. But bad, but bad movies, okay? And I'm talking about things you deem bad movies because I've had bad games and it's, and it sucks when you are in the meat grinder. And, you know, like, it's going to last three more.

hours you get made fun of on Twitter you know you could get stiff arm like Josh Norman the other day like we take our lives in our hands when our masculinity into our hands when we step on no field but it's not subjective as much as like you're sharing your art your soul and I know that like you might say well football you know and downplay it but what you guys do is you share your creativity and you bear your soul for people who are just consumers have you ever been in a movie that you're like yeah this ain't working like if I'm in a bad game I know we're getting drug and everybody can see that. Do people talk on set and you're like, man, this thing's fucked? Like, you know, or do you worry about that? You just have to hit send.

No, I mean, look, so I've been in, I've been in movies that felt great going in, felt great in the making of it. Then all of a sudden I see the final product. I'm like, what the fuck happened? That's not, were we not making what we thought we were? Yeah. Or did they go just screw it up in the editing room? Is there a great movie on the editing room floor. Yeah. And I've been in the editing rooms, trying to help rearrange things with studio heads,

trying to fix things, have failed at that, have helped some things out, put some band-aids on some situations. I've also had the other way around where I'm not sure if it's going well. I feel like I'm doing my job. But remember this,

this is part of the reason why I wrote a book. What I'm doing, when you're on a football field, you have zero filters. It's direct contact. It's live. What am I doing? I'm performing someone else's script, being directed by somebody else, being lensed in a camera by someone else, and framed, edited by someone else before my raw expression gets to you in the context of a story.

So there's four filters that's gone through. Now, my goal has always been, let's close those gaps. Well, that's why I ended up going off, write a book. There's one filter. Yeah. It's a written word to you. Right now, the interaction or what you do when you used to play football, that's the thing. No film. Stand-up comedians is the most direct form of expression. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's

it's there. You're live. There is no re-record. There's no take two. And it's a direct and unfiltered connection. That's sort of the the ultimate place to go. I saw you say that on Rogan. Yeah. I saw you say that on Rogan about you made this book and part of the motivation. Correct me if I'm wrong was I don't know. For me, I'm a bit of a control freak. I'll admit that. Cowboy read behind here my producers like fuck yeah you are like you want things done your way and that and that can suck but as long as you know it can be awesome though yeah let's say let's hit that for a second a lot of people get to try people talk about people getting a bad rap for known for for being a control freak hey it's a hell a lot better than showing up to your boss and their boss going I don't

know hey whatever people in Hollywood people go oh but that guy or that girl that actor actress is so weird they need all these things I'm always like are they clear about what they need however goofy weird idiosyncratic are they cleared like yeah i'm not going then say thank you give them whatever they want set them up be let them be as weird as they want to be what you don't want is someone going i don't know and then just all of a sudden come up and saying i want this and they the people that are supposed to do it go well i don't know how to get that done for you i think that's why people that know what they want scare people yeah because they're going fucking places you know what i mean like i'm not saying i'm going anywhere i might just be going to the editing bay after

this to piss cowboy reed off to tell them no i like this done this way but i do think that being in control and finding that line aware like okay you're a control freak that's like toxic or like you're a control freak that's that's particular about this is what the fuck i want and this is how i want it done and that's okay if you're the boss you can do that but you're the boss right in this book but on the field like if if i'm a victim of a bad call the people at home don't know what the bad call is if you're the victim of a fourth filter on a movie you know um so that makes a lot of sense. By the way, I had a drone, you know, one of those DJIs that you go take up in the mountains and take cool pictures. I named it Coop. So I'm a method consumer. Oh, there we go. You did method

acting. I do method consumer. I also, I also crashed an Impala SS because I got it because the movie drive. I totaled it the second day. I was really into the road drive as well. Okay. Nice. You are a method consumer. Method consumer, man. Method consumption. I wanted to ask you about the industry because of COVID and the pandemic. And I know what it's doing to sports. That's a complicated deal. But like I miss going to the movies, man. I really, it's one of my favorite things in life is to go to a theater and eat some candy

and some popcorn or maybe some pasta that I brought in from a restaurant. Are you okay with that people bringing food into movies? I'm fine as long as you don't in my ear. Pasta's okay. It's not over the line. I've been told like some. Hey, man, I'll bring my homemade tuna fish salad. Now, that's not a sound thing.

That's a smell thing. But I'm like, forget it. Yeah, but there's a hippie in here or something. Yeah. So what's happening in your industry right now? Yeah. So a lot of my peers are working. Yeah.

They're on sets. They have what they call these little bubbles and these pods of when certain people in a crew and how many come at what certain time. They're still making movies. still creating content. I'm not right now. I'm over here bearing down with my family and my 88 year of mother trying

not to bump into this this COVID thing. Mind you, I'm in a privileged position to be able to do that, but that's what I'm doing. Hey, so how much of right now is the new normal? A lot of it. A lot of it. Yeah. A lot of it. I'm going to hug people when there's a vaccine. Okay. I don't know.

Some people say handshakes are gone. are gone. I can't live without hugging my friends. Well, you will, but there are millions out there that will never do that again. There are millions out there that are never going to a theater again if there's even a theater to go to.

Look, our floor has been in our industry has been moved beneath our feet in a real way that things are going to change. I don't know. Do films become a more of an

event that's once a month in a secured area that you buy a ticket too early and you get tested and you're every it's all set up where like a luxury event in the Cinerama Dome where you have your own sort of pod that you're watching collectively the movie I don't know I don't see how right now the theater business they just they're just trying to keep their head of a water right now and how do we consume it but this has been a question even before COVID but the we would how we consume our, our entertainment. We, you know, Quibi just went down, and that was about consumption on this thing. Right.

You got small screens. You got TVs. You don't have to plan to be there Monday night at 8 p.m. when the show is on, because you can order it whenever you want. You can stream it on Netflix. Now, the question with streaming was always, wait, is streaming cannibalizing the theater experience? Right.

In actuality, you could argue that, no, it wasn't. It was actually feeding the theater experience. people that want to watch it on, watch it on. People like yourself, that's great. I want to go to the theater. That's where I want to consume it. So, you know, I'm going through this now with the book. Audio? Does audio cannibalize the, the readership of the hard copy? Or does it say, no, it actually makes me want to go buy the hard copy. Does the hard copy make you want to buy the audio? Does one feed the other? Just choices, I guess. I think that they can feed each other. I just don't know physically coming out of this, when, you know, how much, how much, how much, how much

how much of what we're doing right now with sports and the re-engagement of people is just a grand experiment that may bite us in the backside. I don't know. I hope I'm wrong. I hope that I look up in a year and go, actually, I was overly cautious. I would love to be wrong about how cautious. It's always better to be overly cautious, and we're doing the same thing, and that's what thing. And you mentioned the privilege of being able to stay home and work from home and all that stuff and get to be around your family. You mentioned theaters. We were talking about, you know, theaters going out of business. There's one ratty old theater here in Charlottesville that's long out of business. And it's like, you know, they all turn into roller parks and shit like that.

Right. You were there, bro. You came to Seaville to do the time to kill for John, who was my baseball coach. John. Oh, really? Gisham? Yeah, dude. I got in trouble twice because John Grisham sent us on these baseball trips, and I would get in trouble on the trips and come home, and it's bad to piss an author and a football player off at the, ride the bus all the way home. Are they still open? Are they holding their head? No, done. It's been a while, you know.

In general, I think they're all struggling. Is there a biopic when things get rolling again that you're like, I want to play that guy? I don't know, man. I mean, I've been circling for years, evil can evil. Perfect. Got to got to get that script right. Because I got to know him pretty doggone well. Really?

Yeah. And, you know, his story. stories. He was a badass. His stories were incredible. I spent a lot of great time with him and had a lot of late night phone calls with him as well. But I got to say you this, man, I'm, what's turning me on right now and hopefully will continue to turn me on is what's the role that I want to play in the big show, life? Right. The one where the record is always on. The one that, action was called when I was born and there will be one take and they will only say cut when I die. What am I doing? I quit acting like one. What kind of? Hey, be one. You know what I did?

Let's go. Let's go. It's live. We're in it. The camera is rolling. Who are you going to be? So that's what I'm challenging myself. And this sort of leads back to our earlier conversation about what is it? You know, family and fatherhood and husbandry and how are we leaders? Are we fit to be leaders in what areas? Do we have something that we can share that can be helpful for ourselves and the most amount of people? That's what I'm trying to chase right now is what does that answer for me? What's my legacy choice to make now and going forward? I feel like my values are in pretty good order. They get rearranged from time to time. obviously is all ours do. But that's what I'm looking at right now is I still want to act.

I still want to go put something a performance in a capsule that you can go watch in a theater. But I'm really interested in this more existential question of like, what about the big show, bro? I dare you. What about I dare you? You know what I mean? That's that this is the one that's that's just turning me on. And look, that was part of the fun of writing the book. You know, a lot of these truths were more exciting and wilder and funnier than most fiction I read. So I'm, I'm like, all right, well, you have, you have done some things that could be movies. There's a lot of, there's a lot of movies in this book, or at least characters, you know, that I've met traveling the world and, you know, you're a traveler.

Culture, man, that's been my greatest educator. And hopefully we're back where we can still, I still want to go back to Molly. I want to, I've been, every week, it's on the tally to take my family back there to meet those families. I can't go back, or I can, but it would be foolish because they've been in a civil war for so. long. And my good friend over there lost all of his tourism job. He became a farmer, just as he becomes a successful farmer five years in. He gets, you know, a group just comes and takes over his house one night and steals all his farm on him. So now he's broke again. But, you know, I want to travel again. I keep traveling around the world. Like you said, you want to go to the theater.

We want to get out there and re-engage and move around this big backyard called Earth again. And I want to do it with the family this time and hopefully, you know. So let's see. I'm questioning the big show. Good deal. Question the big show. Real quick. Two football questions.

One, prediction for Texas, Oklahoma State. Give me a score for that if you can. I know you like gambling. I wish I could have talked to you more about gambling. I love calling back. I love calling back to that Buffalo Bills Oilers game. I lost a lot of money on rice on the quad doink, so I hear you on the gambling. the quad d'i how I got in that hole with fucking rice is absurd

I didn't know it was I didn't even know where the university where did you it's in Houston where did you even where did you find rice the rice football game blame your boy Stanford Steve Stanford Steve and I do a gambling show he gave it out he's like bro you got to get on rice okay so give me a prediction for that game and then one compliment for the Oklahoma football program sure prediction on that. Texas plays the big games well. We can come out of Stillwater 35-31 victorious.

Compliment on Oklahoma. My compliment to you, Oklahoma, you Sooners, is how you compliment us, the Longhorns. Every time you do this. Thank you. You are using our sign to get your confidence. You know, all you really got to do, if you want to get technical about it,

is turn over and now it's facing up again. It's not that hard to do. Thank you. I hope you get your own sign one day, and you can be proud of that. In the meantime, welcome to keep putting horns down for us. It is a backhanded compliment.

Well, they've always been thieves, haven't they? The whole mascot is predicated on running out there in a field and getting the land first. It was somebody else's. Hey, Matthew McConaughey. This has been such a pleasure, man. It's great talking to you. And the book was awesome, man.

I can honestly say it went fast. People should go check it out. Green lights. Lots of answers in there and really introspective look. Thanks again, Matthew. Right on, Chris. I enjoyed it, man. Yeah, man.

Have you, brother. Yes.