Green Light with Chris Long - Arian Foster! NFL Journey and Retirement, Hip Hop Career, Conspiracy Theories and 'Macrodosing' Podcast. MLB the Show and Lane Johnson's Montana Chronicles.

Episode Date: July 27, 2021

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So 2016, we were playing, I believe, was the Steelers. Yeah, I think we were playing the Steelers or the Browns. It's one of those. I was looking up in the stands. And at that time, I was reading this book called Fabric of the Cosmos by Brian Green. So like at night, you know what I would just be reading my book. And I was looking up in the stands and I was like, I don't give a fuck who wins this game. I could not care less who wins this stupid fucking guy.

I just don't care. I just do not care. And I was like, I want to go home and get in my bed and read me. I want to finish my book. Which open. I apologize about the lack of crickets right now. It is midnight, mountain standard time here in northwest Montana. There are no crickets.

I think the smoke, which is good for absolutely nothing, but making these awesome sunsets and making the moon look exotic A-F. the smoke, I think, is scared the crickets off. I don't know that for sure. So if you're fact-checking me, I'm not being serious. I just, the smoke thing, yeah, I was serious about that. It sucks. And the world's probably going to end at some point.

So anyways, in the meantime, I want you to enjoy this podcast from Aryan Foster and I. I had Aryan on a couple days ago. And this was really interesting for me because Aryan is somebody, with a lot of range. And I mean that in his personality and what his interests are, we hit it all down to him retiring week seven. But more than anything,

you know, outside the personality, this guy was a motherfucker to play against. You know, he was the type of runner that could start to play front side and go backside for 45 yards, you know, and run over the safety on the way. As a defensive end, you know, depending on the defense you play in,

you might be the backside kind of force player in the run game. We don't call it contained in the run game, guys. That would help. If you're going to critique players incorrectly even about who has the edge on a given play, you know, we don't call it contained in the run game. So, like, hot tip for you as you're typing that tweet out, if you're, you know, the backside edge player, you need to run after the running back as deep as the ball carrier is, so to speak.

So if Aryan Foster's at five yards, I need to start my pursuit and climb to five yards and then close on him. Because if I miss him, he whined back around me. That's losing backside edge. Anyways, he was tough because he would kind of tiptoe and take these long strides. And he'd look like he was pressing the edge. And then maybe a Robert Quinn would set the edge and turn him back. And if you're not at five yards, you're going to get a beautiful, rangey, wide jump cut. And he's going to make you whiff.

And next thing, you know, he's on your safety, and he weighs 20 more pounds than your safety. And he was just a bear to deal with. And on the front side, he always knew which gap to hit. And he always hit it at the right time. And again, powerful. So if you look back at his numbers in Houston, I would. would venture to, I mean, underrated. Even as great as people know he was, I think he kind of slid under the radar.

I don't think Houston was a huge market. Houston's an enormous market, but the Houston Texans are not, you know, a national prime time game occupier or weren't while he was there. Additionally, you know, people didn't know how to take him sometimes. And again, the culmination of his career ending year seven or whatever it was, year eight in week seven down in Miami. Plus the fact that his personality is so interesting. I think people kind of, he flies under the radar a little more than he should. And we said that kind of about Ricky Williams a week or two ago.

Ricky Williams, even more so in my opinion. But like, Arian Foster, great dude, great player. So anyways, Arian coming up in a few here. We even talk about his podcast, macro dosing, where he talks about conspiracy theories like the Denver airport and fucking Bigfoot and stuff like that is right at my alley. I mean, PFT, Arian crushing it. I think maybe even Billy Football might be on that show. It should be a point of viewing for me. So anyways, what have I been doing in Montana?

A whole lot of MLB, the show, okay? That game is fucking addictive. I got a PS4 that my brother Kyle got me for Christmas two, three years ago, right? And I was an Xbox guy and he was almost trying to tempt me to jump back over to the PS4 side.

And by the time I considered it, they had this PS5 coming out. People were getting mugged in parking lots for this thing. I don't want any part of that. I really don't. So I just kind of let the PS4 sit on the shelf. I haven't been playing Xbox.

Kyle hurts his knee. He's going to be down and out for a little bit. I know he's going to be sitting in his chair playing MLB the show. So I'm like, okay, I got to dust this PlayStation 4 off and get good at it and start playing my brother to keep his mind occupied and that sort of thing. Well, I've been playing it for three weeks and I haven't played Kyle once. I've been, you know, enthralled up here in Montana when the sun finally goes down at like 10 p.m. And I don't feel ashamed to be inside. I've been enthralled with the road to the show, I believe it's called.

Lord knows I click on it every time I open the game, but I'm like a crack fiend trying to get to my creative player who's playing for the yard goats up there in New England playing the Bowie Bay Sox every other night, like five games in a row. And then we're playing like the fucking rumble ponies. We're playing the rumble ponies. They got me up in that league. Anyways, my guy, Rob Kohler, he's got a big old mullet.

He's shorter, he's girthier, like muscular guy, just country strong. And he's kind of like the Appalachian Otani, man. Like, you know, people are just tuning in on their transistor radios down there. And Beckley, like, clamoring to see this guy play. And he's got sauce. He's a two-way player. You know, he's a pitcher, and he's a hitter. And every time my virtual manager comes up to me in my little virtual clubhouse there,

where I'm always sitting there with my uniform looking dumb, there's dudes with jeans and hoodies on sitting on the couch, and I'm just staring at my phone in my fucking uniform every time. If you don't know what the game is, I'm sorry, guys, but I'm ranting. And anyways, like, every time the manager comes up to you, and they're like, you sure you want to keep being a two-way player? Yes, coach. I want to do it all.

That's why I set up in that fucking recliner every night Because I want to pitch in the bigs and then hit It's more stuff to do Anyways, the game has given me like flashbacks to being an NFL player Because I'm really like feeling like an athlete again I do I feel like I'm Rob Kohler And yeah, I get down in the dumps when I'm in a slump And I've been on a hellacious slump

Like, you know, earlier this week before I busted out And like my batting average went up 100 points And like two nights which is sad 50 games into a virtual season. But yeah, like, the fucking guy has had his ups and downs. And when I go back to the clubhouse, I feel really ashamed. I feel the eyes on me. Like, like literally I feel a tinge, which is enough to feel of the shame you feel when you play bad in the NFL. When my virtual player goes 0 for 5 and gets picked off three times trying to figure out how to fucking steal bases and shit, you know, it feels really bad.

Sure, last night he went three for five with a home run and a double. But really, dude, it's an amazing game. I see why people love it. And that's what I've been doing up here other than enjoying the natural beauty and my wonderful family. Lane came in this weekend too. Lane Johnson, my old teammate in Philadelphia, I talked to him into coming out here for two days. I rented him a sick trailer. You know, here's the deal.

I don't have a really big place in Montana. I just got my own place out here. So I stopped bothering my dad the last, you know, five years. It's been a full house with the kids. We got our own spot. And it just doesn't have a lot of guest space. So what I did is I went on, you know, this outdoorsy website, a terrific website, and found a camper, an Arctic wolf.

Yeah, found an Arctic wolf, 26-footer. So shout out to my boy Tom there. but like next thing you know I got this beautiful trailer in my driveway this thing was sweet really sweet anyways I made it really inviting

I left them like a little gift basket kind of thing when you go into a nice hotel they have like potato chips and like maybe they have a fruit plate and some chocolate and that sort of thing it was Don Julio mac and cheese of course the microwavable

a dial soap bar and I believe there was one more thing there. He definitely had muscle milk in the fridge. Oh yeah, potato chips. Well, I had to do something that the, you know, between the Don Julio and the potato chips and he's practically at the Ritz Carlton. But yeah, it was really tough to see somebody have to go to camp in like a day, you know, because I know that feeling. I've, believed me, I've been there. Camp, even if you're excited about it, is fucking, you just, you're not going to be sitting on a boat. It's going to be 90s. degrees you're going to be swimming in fucking swamp ass out there banging heads with another 300 pound

guy for six hours a day or at least it was before this new camp's a breeze what am i talking about but like yeah right before you leave you're kind of just you kind of have a faraway look in your eye and you know that was really tough to see somebody have to do that but it was really cool to be around a professional athlete. I mean, those guys are amazing. Ridiculous, how focused he was. I'm like, in all seriousness, I'm shocked I was ever like that.

For fuck's sake, he wouldn't even have a beer. Okay, if you're listening in Philly, he was just all about training camp. He had his plays on note cards and that type of thing. Guy looks amazing, by the way. Lane looks like he's going to have an amazing here. So somebody I think is probably the best right tackling football. He looks as good as he looked before.

And he didn't eat any of that mac and cheese. He didn't drink any of that Don Julio. I don't think the soap was open either, which is kind of... But yeah, he didn't even drink. I mean, most of the weekends consisted of shuttling him around in the boat to various places that could help him, you know, maintain his weight, you know, because big fella's got to be moving bodies in a couple days. so, you know, two hamburgers at a time, etc.

The guy, he took a picture with me and posted it. And, you know, we look like Russian dolls, man. Like, we looked like Russian dolls before I retired, but I've lost 18 pounds. So it does not bother me, but the sheer insanity of the sensitivity capital of the world gawking at a 240-pound man, like I'm the fucking Christian bail and the machinist or something. It's just ridiculous. I mean, I got, you know, a woman in my mention saying that she loves me, but in her culture, when someone isn't eating, something is wrong.

And I love you too. But you're like monitoring the weight of a B-less celebrity. Like you're in the Us Weekly comment section. Let's talk about you for a second here. Okay. Like, come on, lady. What do I eat for breakfast, ma'am? A bowl of cereal, protein shake,

Siggy's yogurt, peanut butter, sandwich with a good bit of honey on there. And then a green juice. I mean, that's a pretty big breakfast there. And it's a big bowl of cereal, too. Big bowl of cereal. I mean, you want me to fucking throw a blooming onion in there? I can drink a gallon of vegetable oil. if you want. Before Lane left, the last night I had four chocolate chip cookies and a bowl ice cream.

Okay? I eat dessert every night. My normal rule, which is don't get high in the kitchen. My house here is like 1,300 square feet. The kitchen is seven steps from my bedroom. Okay? So it's hard to follow that rule. I mean, unless I like take 30 paces from the house. But that would be a fire hazard. It's incredibly dry because the climate's changing. It's hotter than normal. And there's a bunch of forest fires everywhere, so I'm trying to be responsible. And the guys, the guys, oh, my God, the 170-pound guys calling me skinny, including Trey Wingo, my friend. He's on the board at Water Boys.

I said, Trey, I'm still big enough to throw you through a window. Somebody said I was on the Walter White diet, which I think is a meth joke, which I thought was kind of funny. But, golly, if I'm skinny, y'all are sean bradley for fuck's sake but anyways i am i am i need to put five more on i mean i need to be at two 50 lane was talking me into gaining some weight so i'm just going to start eating blooming onions and drinking vegetable oil in the morning just i need i need to have some neck fat to please you motherfuckers i got to look like i'm at least a little bit sweaty all the time to please some of you

Anyways, Aryan Foster was a lot of fun to talk to. And without further ado, here he is. Aaron Foster's here. This is a dude that I used to play against, and obviously a great player. But I'd like to consider myself an interesting person. And when I'd run into Aryan or run into him on the field, he gave the interesting person vibe out. And I feel like it's easy to identify if you're into shit outside of football.

And so I guess the first question would be, How's retirement treating you? I think it's been three, four years now. Are you happier than ever? Man. Well, that's a roller coaster ride, right? Because like, yes and no, right? Because it's like you, I'm extremely excited about like, you know, it's like a new chapter.

But then like we were talking about before we got on, it's like you, you wake up from this like NFL whirlwind that you really just like a career whirlwind that you just kind of like it was like all a blur. and it's like all kind of just done. And then now you got to like got to sit with yourself. And so then you got to like address all the, all the demons that you picked up along the way. And so it's like a, it's a real thing. And you say a lot of the, you know, people that we play with, you know, people are depressed.

People are going through anxiety. People are going through it. Not to get all deep on the first question, but deep fucking podcast. This is a deep podcast. It's not macro dosing deep. We're going to get into that. But no, I felt like, and I've said this to dudes before, I felt like the NFL obscured my view in a lot of ways.

I mean, like, you don't have any room to look, you know, in your periphery or like really inside yourself to find out who you are. And there's nothing wrong with that. Like, we signed up for it and we loved it. But, you know, there might be something even better on the other side of the door. And that's how I feel in retirement. And I just didn't know because you've been into so much stuff since you finished that maybe the, not the real you, because it's always been there. but the whole you could come out. No, I think you hit a nail on the head, man.

It's the real meat could actually, you can explore it because I think a lot of times, especially in our era, right, this era is a little different because we were on like the precipice of social media and what it was going to be, right? And so like we were kind of navigating those waters before. Like we were getting in trouble for things we were saying and shit like that. Like these guys, like they've embraced the individuality and the leagues have started to embrace the individuality. Whereas we were right before it happened and we were like, yo, we were still, we were on that bubble of you have to walk this PR line and you have to keep a public image.

And so we kind of like broke that mold of like, you know what, fuck that shit. And so like we kind of took all those bullets for the, oh, he's this or he's that where these guys are kind of like more. This is who I am. And the NFL for me, like it was it was a, you know, a dream come true. But it spent so much time. It was something that I loved when I was a kid, and I knew that was my way out of my circumstances. But you spent so much time perfecting your craft that you forget to like massage the other side of you that actually like, what do you, I didn't go to sleep thinking about football, you know. Well, culturally, there's there's a pushback when you're like, I like to write poetry.

Right. You know, like so if part of what you're into is something like that, like, you know, a lot of dudes we play with. Now, nowadays, times are changing where guys have more interest, and that's kind of what you just alluded to. But when we got in the league, you know, like, I was talking to Ricky Williams about this. It's funny because he's the perfect interlude in this conversation. When you get in the league, like in 2008 or whenever Ricky got in, like, 08 for me. And I think it was 08 for you or 09. 09.

09. You were after me. But like, I feel like vets were different. Like you couldn't say, like, well, I'm into this shit off the field. Like, people would look at you sideways. And so I think it's a good time to be in NFL. player. And I think also like guys like yourself or guys like, you know, me to a degree and there's been a whole host of players that were into shit other than football can prove that like you can be

well-rounded and still love the game and still be a bad motherfucker between the white lines and still and still be a great teammate. So I think, you know, yeah, you said it. They took bullets. And I think Ricky was ahead of his time. You know what I mean? I don't even think he knew how ahead of his time was. He took all the bullets for the modern athlete. Yeah. I mean, think about if he was a player in today's league, like the mental health issues that he was going through, the anxiety he faced dealing with the media,

the advocacy for weed, like all of this stuff that was like, during then it was like, oh, he's this, he's that, he's crazy. Or he's like, you know what I'm saying? But he was just like a regular cat who liked the smoke weed, who didn't like, he liked playing football, but didn't like the, the facade around it, which was a lot of us. Like Marshawn Lynch, it's the same way, right?

He took a lot of flag as well. But I mean, I'm glad it's progressed, and I think that's naturally what's going to happen in every culture. You're going to progress more towards individuality and embracing people. Well, it's like they gave us the gun, so to speak. They were like, okay, we want more y'all.

You know, like the 24-hour news cycle is insatiable. We need to know, like, what kind of shoes you guys wear. We need to know what kind of hobbies you have. And people, like, we're almost like kind of bullies about that access. And now they have the access. And a lot of people are like, oh, I don't want to hear about it. Well, you're the one fan who wanted to hear about my life 24-7. And now you don't want to hear about it because there's certain things that you think are counterintuitive or not conducive to being a gladiator on the field.

And you brought up Marchan, who I think is a great example. Marchon literally was, he's the blueprint for an act. athlete that wants to say like, here, I'm going to plant my flag. Like, I don't give a fuck. I'm here to do what I want to do. I'm here to talk about what I want to talk about. And nobody's going to own me. And guess what? He still gets the Campbell's Chunky Soup commercials.

Like, he still gets the biggest ads right there with guys who did it the other way, which is fine to do it that way and to have a brand and to be intentional. But it just goes to show that into today's climate, you can be either and you can still thrive. So I think that's cool. He's one of those cats that, it doesn't matter what he does. he's just so authentically himself that you don't have a choice but to love it. Like, you know, like, if you don't like Marcia Lynch, like something's wrong with you. Like something is wrong with you.

It promises you. But it was funny you mentioned that because I remember I was in the Super Bowl press run the year that the Seahawks was there and that whole I'm just here so I don't get fined thing. Happen with Marchand. And that year, I did the same thing, but in training camp. But I just, I answered all the questions with, yeah, I'm sure to be a good teammate. It was like 20 questions in a row. I just answered the exact same thing.

And I got fucking crucified for this shit. And then Marchand did it in the Super Bowl later on that year. And I was on first take argument with Stephen A. Smith about that exact same thing. I blessed you for doing that. Yeah. You fucking even hear of a medal. It's an interesting conversation because he was like, well, you know, the media is the conduit to the fans. And the reason is why you got to pay so much money.

I was like, okay, that's what's up. I was like, but you guys got to pick a lane, which one. do you want? Do you want the athlete to shut up and play ball? Or do you want him to mind his own business? I was like, you guys are asking both. And anytime one is the extreme of the other, you don't like it. And I was like, that's on y'all. And right now, we can take detours because we own our own platforms, which is a big deal. You said something a second ago that like, you know, it just hit me like March on, you know, one of the great backs of our generation of all time. You were definitely one of the great backs of our generation, somebody that people are going to

remember for a long time, especially that four or five year run, man. But you did it in Houston. and you were yourself in Houston, which is a way different climate than Seattle. I'm not talking about temperature. Yeah. Was that tougher than people realized? Well, yeah. I curved a lot of my early years. I curved it and I was kind of playing the PR role because I was undrafted.

And so that, you know, undrafted guys, the leash is way shorter. And so it wasn't until I was like, when you, once you realize, like, once you get on the field and you ball and you can kind of do what you want to do, then I started opening up. But at first, I was like, I was walking and I was towing the company line because I wanted a job. But like when I started really open up and being myself and I started exploring things like diet, right? Like now, like you like there's, I know cats who are endorsing like plant-based companies, right? I came out when I was vegan in 2012. I got lamb basset all over the media. That's a tough place to be a fucking vegan in Houston.

Oh, it was crazy. You know what's crazy. It was like I couldn't find, I couldn't find at the end, it was 2012. I couldn't find any vegan. It was like one or two, right? And like now there's so many vegan options, right? It's just more, I mean, it's just more an embraced lifestyle. Like, you know, there's better science behind it and stuff like that.

And now like I do more moderation and still do a lot of plant-based meals. When you're on the forefront of that, like it's it's tough, especially in Texas. It was like this is a Bible belt. This is your cows, man. Eat our fucking cows. I don't know what I was a cow on your helmet. You have to. It's like the, you know, it's like a, it's like the Bible belt.

This is like, this is a, this is a, Red State. I'm far from that. And so it's like, I remember what time we was hosting this brunch or something like that for like, you know, it was like the big money people all in Houston. Oh, I hate those with the circle tables and they, no offense, anybody that was ever at a table like that with me. I probably liked you. But in general, like just the, the whole thing putting on nice. Real uppity. Real uppity. I hated it. And so we was up there. And so it was me. Well, it was all the teams and sort of asked like the more notable guys, to come up and say some words.

And so it's me, JJ Y and Andre Johnson, and we was up there. And they asked, what's the best thing you like about Houston? And then Drey, I was last. And so Drey was like, yo, I like the fans and, you know, the people. And, yeah, and JJ's thing. It was like, all the fans and I was like, no state taxes. And like the room, the room went silent, right? Which should be, but to those people, to those people in a red state,

that should be like, yeah, well, he's with us. Yeah, it's just not, but it's just not what football players are supposed to say at that time. You know what I mean? It was, it was funny though. No, and Andre actually answered. Like, I've barely ever heard Andre talk. He don't know. Like, I know he talks, but very rarely was ever a time that in a locker room you were like,

holy shit that, like he snapped and everybody was like, because I'm sure he's that guy that if he snaps, everybody's like silent. Rarely, it'll be like on the sidelines or something like if we're down or something like, come on, man, like something like. And he don't ever say. So I remember one time, it was my rookie year, actually. I didn't really speak to him my whole rookie year. That was, that was Dre, right?

It was like, you know, he's like, all pro. He's going to be a Hall of Fame. And that's just Dre. I was like four lockers down for him. And I just never really spoke to him. And it was the second to last game of the season. And I was like, I was rookie. That was my second, my first start, actually, my first start.

And I had a good game. And we had one drive. We get a first down and we're out of there. And so right before, right before they punish the ball. He's like, he looks at me, says, hey, Aaron, he said, run us on up out of here, man. I was like, oh, shit, Dre. Let me talk to me. Dre has, Dray has smoking to me.

And I got the first down. Dude, that's it. But, you know, it's hard coming in and trying to, you know, impress the vets and not even trying to impress the vets, but just trying to be cool around them because you walk into these locker rooms with like living legends. Was there any, like you got to play in Miami late in your career. That was a different taste. Was there a team that?

you kind of eyeballed your whole career and was like, I'd love to play in that city for that team or for that coach in that system. Oh, Pete Carroll, for sure. Yeah, that would have been a nice fit. Pete Carroll. And then schematic-wise, probably Payton. Yeah, Sean Payton. I like the way he uses the backset of the backfield.

Because when I was in league, like, I was the bell cow. I was downhill zone running. Like, yeah, I got 20 times a game. But like, we would do shit. like in practice where I would like line up against the, they put me in slot or they would put me against the receivers. I was lining up against our ones and twos and I was getting them work. And like, that was my real talent. I felt like I wasn't really exploded that well in the NFL. It was like, I could run routes better than more. That's so interesting because in people know this,

I think like we have over emphasized the straight line 40 time. And you ran like a 4-7. But on the field, I never was like, that guy's slow. Like I was because that did follow me. People listening, he just gave me the, ah. So many. What is, what is, this is why, because yes, that I did run a four seven, but I was in a senior bow and I had, it's a long story, but I had pulled a hammy in the senior bowl. And that was like January, early, late January, and the combine is late February. And so I wasn't, I wasn't ready for the combine.

And so I didn't run in the combine. And in March, it was a great two. It was like, it was a bad one. Yeah. And so, and so I was at my pro day and I told him I wasn't going to run. run and it was like, oh, we need to get a time on you. I was like, we have to get a time. I was like, bro, like, it's just still hurting.

Like, I could run, but I can't run. It was like, we need to get a time. So I ran and I ran a 4-7. Like, I'll probably say I'm like a 4-5 on a good day. Yeah, I was thinking probably if I had to really guess, you'd be like, you know, a 4-5-5 guy. Like, that would have been my guess. But either way, like, you don't have to be a 4-3 guy to play running back.

And you don't have to be a 4-3 guy to get split out and get used in an offense, like in so many different ways. do you think that like the body types are changing outside of like Derek Henry where people are looking at the bell cow type back as kind of a dying breed and do you think it is a dying breed or do you think that we're overreacting to kind of the last 10, 15 years of where football's tried to go? No, I think the toll on the body that it takes will definitely shorten your career. but that's that's ball and that's why I think running back is probably the most it's a hardest position to play I don't say that because I played it but I said it because I mean you look at what has the least amount of years in their prime it's the running back right because you take the most toll to be on the top of the game for that amount of years and so um in order to uh prolong your career

you have to have to have hands you have to catch the ball out of the backfield and you have to rotate And that was a big thing in my career where I was like, I hated rotating. Like, I hated getting subbed in and out. So did I. Because it was like, I don't know, like, I always felt like I could do it. I could do it all, right? And I was. I was a three-down back.

But I just was, I was just young. And I didn't understand, like, the toll that took on my body. Like, that shit fucked me up. I'm still. Oh, yeah. Yeah. When you're young, like, and you're a three-down player, like, the three-down players are going away in a lot of areas on the field. Like for sure, D-Line became such a rotation thing,

like late in my career. They were like, you're going to play 25 snaps a game. What are you complaining about? I was like, I need 60, dude. I was used to 60 in St. Louis. Like, we had great players like too deep, but we also like the guys up front got their reps. And and so running backs becoming less of a three-down, you know, position. And so is D-Line. And I think for me, it was always rhythm, you know, like I can't set people up. And I don't know that you set defenses up, but I know as a rusher, you do set people up. I don't know if there was an element to like, I'm going to break this run off different. I'm going to hit the back door on this run. And then I'm going to have them thinking, you know, I'm going to have the backside

end nervous. And then the next play, I'm going to hit it right downhill. Like, was there a chess game for you that kind of went away when you were asked to play less? Oh, a thousand percent. That was a big part of my game was that, you know, the game. We call it the game within the game. And so there's games I would play with the linebackers. And so there would be, there would be cuts I would give up early on in the game just to keep them honest. So I'm going to keep them honest. And then later on in the game, when you're tired and because they watch film, right, and every, by every defensive corner, they were coming to me after the game.

Well, I tell my players, they got to stay, stay honest with it. They like, don't over pursuit. Don't over pursue because I used to cut back. That's what I did. And so, but I used to set that up. I actually set that up throughout the entire game. I was shuffling on the backside. If you.

Yeah, I know what he's going to do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He got me, I think, once or twice down there in Houston. But, yeah, there's so funny y'all set people up just like other position players. And I think people think, oh, plays called, and it's got to hit this gap. I mean, for the most part, you're going to try to get loose. But we're not, I mean, you play the game. Man, I've been playing since I'm seven years old.

I know if I'm going to break a long one or not. And if I'll sacrifice a couple yards just to keep somebody honest for us to set them up a little later. Yeah. And again, I think one of the hardest things is, just as you said with your person, and becoming established, like, you also got to be a certain amount of established to try some crazy shit out there to be autonomous within a defense or an offense.

Oh, yeah, thousands. Like, I remember one of my favorite runs of all the time was I was playing, we was at Tennessee, and it was running a zone to the left, outside zone to the left. And I had never really done it in the league before I did it. Like I did it in practice and I did it like all the time, like maybe college and high school and shit like that.

But like, I remember I was just like, I'm not going over there. Like I just remember thinking like, nope. And I just like stuck my foot in the ground and reverse field all the way. And that's like a no-no in the league, right? Oh, yeah. I did it. I think I went for like 45 or something.

See, there you go. You can't go for 45 on a cutback and run a 4-7. 100%. Of course. Because like, you know, the boys would always climb me like, oh, you got a 4-7. I'm like, yeah, but like I was pulling off on cast that ran a 4-4. So you do that. Exactly.

And there's field speed. Like, and that's the thing is, you know, like, was there ever a linebacker that you had a real rivalry with you know you said you play games with you know in division was there a guy that you were like uh there was a couple in division where it was like we had battles um clint session hit me the hardest i've ever got hit in my life though oh my god that motherfucker it was a little cannonball um we played alano a few times in uh cat witherspoon me and him oh yeah yeah me and him had battles yeah me and him had battles yeah me and him had battles i love to against him because it was like I I talk shit on the field like I I talk shit I will try to

hurt your feelings with my word but then after the words afterwards like a lot of the time cats like you know take it personally but I I didn't care like but like he was like one of the ones where we was we was on each other's next and afterwards like yo what a battle like that's what I love that's the way it should be what's the worst thing you ever said to somebody that you can share oh man you know it's funny as I was actually miced up and they're I don't know what. I bet you the dudes that watch this, my mic,

because they never released it. Oh, they're not using that. No, it was bad. It was bad. It was bad. So there's a little bit of history behind it.

So I had just came out in a, in a documentary called Schooled, the Price of Sports. And it was about how the NCAA is fucking over people, right? And so I had admitted, I had admitted that I took money under the table. And, like,

a whole bunch of cats, like, we're like, man, why you're snitching? Like, you're doing this, you're doing it? I'm like, bro, like, why are y'all so like brainwashed by these people? Like, if you don't, and that's why I was telling like I was, I was actually at a Harvard, I was speaking at Harvard business school with me, Sherman and Fitz. And we was talking and it was like, why would you, why would you say that? I'm telling him, like, dog, if you told them you took money, if you told them you took

money, if every big player from any big college told them you took money from every era because they did, right? What are they going to do? Erase the entire history of that. NCAA? No, they're going to change the rules. But we're so afraid of them that it's, it's, it's, we just been hoodwink to think that it's, I'm, I'm with you. They need people that are going to say something. I mean, like, you know, when I talked about bud, you know, last year in smoking, I had a couple former players and I didn't even talk about it like, I'm very careful to only involve

myself when I'm talking about something like that. Like, you know, I got a number of questions about, like, what percentage of the league you think smokes? And I was like, none of your fucking business, but I can tell you I do like I be dropping God that was 90% of them niggas smoke now okay well there you go but but but here you go like the climate has already changed and I'm not saying like I had anything to do with that at all but what I'm saying is like when dudes last year were like yo dude like why are you giving them the game on how to be drug tests and shit because the public needs to know how much of a farce it is like it's just a fucking farce and guess what happened the next year and it was coincidental and everything because the tides are changing the threshold went way up So now dudes can probably get away with a lot better than we do. I had to stop smoking for like a month. A month and it was miserable. It's the worst time of the year, dude. So, you know, I think we're getting to a place like where we're better off there.

You make a great point though because that's my problem with people. And this extends past football, man. This extends like even like when you go like into the political realm, right? When you talk about like workers and unions because if we understand that we are the leverage, Like we hold the leverage. Like they will acquiesce to all of our demands or else they do not have a product. Like that is, that's why that's why workers go on strikes, you know, because they want demands being met. And like, like if you're sitting here pumping us full of these opioids and, and all the, toward all shots and all this shit, that's going to fuck our livers up.

But then you won't allow us to find our own means of healthier pain relief. Like, you're a hypocrite. You're just a big ass hypocrite. And I mean, I'm a big, I'm big on the stance of like the NFL. is extremely reactive and they're not proactive, but that's a whole other conversation. No, no doubt about it. No doubt about it.

They're reactive to heat being on them. And that's why people need to put heat on them. That's the only way people don't change. Like, institutions don't change because it's moral. Institutions, like, change because they're threatened. And I think that's why you got to talk about those things. The college thing, I never knew you. Like, maybe I heard this before, but I didn't think it was that big of a deal that you took.

Like, what are those actually? What is that like? the Virginia, I can tell you we didn't get paid. Right, right. And also, yeah, go ahead. No, so, so, for sure. It's, it wasn't like, it wasn't like a salary, right? We didn't get a salary.

But it was like, you have cats, like, I don't know if you dealt with like runners, like agent runners. So my agent is 90 years old, dude. He's like, he didn't do, he had like two other people. I just picked the one who had the least people with him. You know what I mean? Because they just, the one that seems at least agentie. Agentie.

I got you. You know that agent cologne that certain guys have on, like, I'm like, bro, like, I got it. You're a mover and a shaker. You're in the lobby of the hotel. Like, I don't want that guy. The bits. Yeah.

So how I usually works like a lot of big time colleges is like the agents are saying runners. And I don't know how it works now, but it's how I worked when I was in college. Like the agents are saying runners and they'll like, they'll wind and down you and say, this agency is looking for, you know, they'll slide you some cash every now and then maybe a monthly stipend or whatever the case may be. And then you got boosters paying for your meals, you know, sliding you some cash every down there. Like, it's nothing crazy, but it's, and I have, I know dudes that got more.

I don't doos that got less, but it's, it was just such a known thing. And it is a known thing. No, it is. Like, everybody knows that like, it's like another world when you live, when you play in the ACC. Not everyone in the ACC, obviously, because we have Clemson and that sort of thing. And I'm not saying, I know what's going on down there, but I would imagine. There's no way. There's not. There's no way it's not. And then now, I mean, and this is the thing, right? And so when, when I came out and said that you had a lot of people saying, oh, like, you're snitching. I'm like, first of all, I never gave. a name. I won't give a name. The NCAA actually called me. It was like, we're going to conduct

an investigation on improper benefits being taken from your time at Tennessee. I was like, okay. And it was like, would you like to cooperate? I said, absolutely not. Good luck. And I hung up. Fuck y'all. Suck my dick. Fuck y'all. And so, and so, because it was all paper. I mean, it was all cash. They can't trace that shit. And even if they did, who gives a fuck, what are you going to take away a cotton bowl? Fuck out of here. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, they took away Reggie's Hidesman, you're going to be like, give me back my cotton bowl. Give me back by a duffin back. They're going to come get the portable DVD player. The DVD player, do you know any DVD players I have for the Micron PC bowl?

And we played in the one in Nashville, the Gaylord Hotels Bowl, and that one was pretty fucking great, to be honest. I don't even know where this stuff is. I was going to say, do they really do the, like, the Daps with the, with the $100 bill in the hand? Like, it's like, Or is it, you know, it feels awkward to me imagining it in my mind's eye. Like, like, hey, hey, hey, buddy. Like, you know, like, let's hang out later if you get a chance. You know, like that's. Yeah.

Yeah. There's a couple of those. There was like some envelopes, some envelopes, stuff like that. But it wasn't anything crazy, man. It was just like enough money to get by, shit like that. What Fulper se when he hit you up when he first heard the news? Oh, they don't talk to me. They hate me at Tennessee for some.

reason. I was saying for the most part. Like I was like for the most there's a lot of good people I met at Tennessee. A lot of brothers and a lot of, a lot of fans that still, you know, uh, enjoy me when I run into them or whatever. But for the most part, because I caused that stir because it was like Tennessee was in the national news like they think I threw the school under the bus, right? And they're like, there's ever any sanctions. Nothing happened because it was untraceable. And so, uh, former, I mean, I don't really talk to former like that. I don't really talk to anybody like at a coaching staff like that. Um, I just wasn't because I, I saw the farce in the system and how much it was fucking kids.

I'm just not a cat that's not going to say nothing, right? So I'm like, I wanted to have him on my podcast and I wanted to talk to him. And he was like, well, I caught him. I was like, you know, hop on my podcast and we'll just have a conversation. And he was like, you know, I don't want to get into the business of defending the NCAA. And I was like, yeah, that's wild to me that you, you don't want to defend the NCAA, but you're going to take the millions upon millions that they gave you that we helped give you. And it's just wild that that that kind of play is okay to all of these cats.

Like all these dabble, Sweeney, Nick Sagan, all of these cats. I don't, I don't got nothing to say good about them because you have made millions upon millions of the backs of 18 year old. And you don't, and it's like you could do things like I had like a buddy was talking about this. It was like you could put money in escrow. Like you make $10 million a year. You could put a million dollars in escrow every year. right and they don't touch it until they graduate and you have like this what eight nine 10 guys graduate a year they can get a piece of that that's minimum right but like you don't they don't do they don't set up any funds

and even the cats that that are in the league like set them up with like financial literacy classes like there's so much that there's so much wrong right i don't want to get in no no i'm totally with you i think like if you can incentivize players which now the the floodgates are starting to open i think it's awesome like for people that are like pro america pro free market like this looks like this looks exactly like that. So if you have a problem with that, if you were afraid of what it would look like, it's nothing scary, dude. Nobody's holding you a gunpoint asking for money. Like in Miami, there's a gym that I don't know if you heard about this, but there's this gym down there. In Miami, they're paying every player 500 bucks to endorse the gym. And I don't even know that they

have to do a lot of work. But like, that's life changing money for these kids. Like, I don't think some people understand how broke some of these kids are when they get on campus. And, you know, yeah, to the people complaining, $500 nothing. Like, you. And it's going to be the world to these kids. So like forget about the $10,000 endorsement. It's like there's so much money out there. There's plenty of money. You know how Jay Billis says like,

I don't know if there's enough money. Like that's his whole bit on Twitter. Every time a coach gets hired, do they build a bowling alley in a fucking in Clemson's facility? I don't know if there's enough money for the kids. There's plenty of money. So I guess the question for you would be, Arian Foster, 2006, Knoxville,

they dropped this law 15 years or earlier, I've lost track of time. God, are we old? 15 years ago, they do this. Who are you endorsing? Like, who is Arian Foster going to do a deal with first? Shit, at that time, I was a capitalist. So whoever and whatever, like, it didn't matter. Like, whatever, whoever's coming at the table, I am endorsing you, whether it's the, the burger place down the street or the, yeah, whatever, whatever, whatever, man, whatever. At that time. And you're not, and you're not a capitalist. us now, now you're a little bit more discerning with how you spend and endorse your likeness.

Well, I think my goal in life is not profit-based. Even if I mean, I can hear people now, like, oh, you say that because you're rich. I'm like, yeah. I'm with you. I've seen both sides. I grew up taking sponge baths, no water, no light sometimes, no food. So it's like I've seen both sides. I've seen poverty in America and I've seen wealth in America.

I think I was happier when I was younger, right? What was I? Yeah, I was, I was rich, but, like, I was also happier. Things were simpler. Right, right. I think money had, it dilutes everything, everything. It corrupts people. It shows you who they really are.

And when it, when it's involved in things like politics and the way we're governed. It just it leads people to do really evil things. And so I'd rather go more towards a communal aspect, a communal, where we massage each other and we look out for each other and put value into human interaction rather than profits. Because it's just, it doesn't end. Like there's never, there's always going to be somebody richer with a bigger plane and a bigger house and more cars and more and it's just always this never ending mouse with ever ending dick measuring contest. and somebody's got a bigger dick, like somewhere. I mean, like, it's the same thing for your wallet.

So, like, why are you doing that? Why are you in this arms race? I'm totally with you. I've kind of reached a point in my life where I've never been motivated by money, although it's very easy for me to say that coming from money. Like, but it's interesting to hear you say, like, I've been broke. And it still doesn't mean the world to me because a lot of people, my dad included who, you know, money's not everything to him,

but he wants to protect what he earned because he grew up with nothing. And like a lot of the athletes we play with. with have the same sentiment, but you somehow have felt like, ah, this is more of a burden than anything. And I think what, man, you, you said something earlier. It's like, money does not change people. It is a magnifying glass, dude. Oh, thousand percent. You know, if you're a, if you're a piece of shit, you're going to be a big piece of shit. Huge. If you're a really good person, you're just going to be a really, really good person. For the fuck ton of money. Yeah, man. And like, you, you're just going to extend more. Like, you're just going to, you're going to, you're

going to, you're going to look for ways to give other people's opportunity. opportunity. That's what I've seen. And so it always kills me. People like, hey, it's easy to say that because you got me. I was like, bro, like I've been there. I've been on both sides. Man, I'm telling you this thing. Jim Carrey said that quote. He's like, I wish everybody could be as rich and famous as they ever wanted so they could realize that that's not the answer because it's not. And you'll hear rich people say that all the time. I don't know, I'm going to listen to them because it's a real thing, man. It's like, I've never seen more dark days in my life than all of the problems that money brings.

Yeah. It's just a never-ending, it's a lonely place. It's just not a good place to be. And so I don't think it's. should be strived for. Like, if you, if you wake up every single, this is the, this is the biggest awakening I had, um, having money and then being retired. Retired at 30 years old, though. That's insane. That's fucking insane. Right. I'm, I'm, you go on plane rides and stuff and you meet like, these oil execs or these big time cats in first class and like, what do you do? And I'm like,

I'm retired. Like, what? They're like, 60, 70 years old and like, yeah, I'm like, it's an awkward conversation to have with somebody who you're not trying to tell what you do for a living. Yeah, yeah. And then, uh, you kind of listen to their, like, life story and how they got their wealth and you start telling you about yours. And the, the, the biggest realization I had retiring at 30 was like, yo, when you have all you ever wanted and you don't have to work for the rest of your life, you have to sit with yourself. Yeah. And that sounds easy to do. People snuck at it. Bro, when you have to sit with yourself and you have to really look at yourself and you don't keep yourself busy with entertainment and just movies or drugs or vices or

whatever or a job. You have to sit down and you have to really look internally at who am I, what am I, where am I, what are we doing here? Like those kind of existential questions start to see that you. And if you don't, and if you're not like balanced, if you don't seek help, if you don't seek outside accommodation for your thoughts, it's a scary place. And that's why people go into deep depression. That's why people get into the personal laws that they are. And I've been there, but it's, it's something I have to actively, I don't say fight against, but I have to actively accept that it's just, like, it's a real thing. And that's why, like, I always check up on the cast that I played with because I know what it's like. You have,

you have all this money, you've got kids, and you're seeing them grow, and you're just like, what am I without my occupation? How, how, how, how, how do I find my value and my worth without my occupation? And it's a very deep question. Yeah, we talk about a lot on here. Like anytime this stuff comes up, you know, head trauma and that sort of thing, which is dead real. There's no doubt about it. Like you can see. Yeah. I mean, probably I do too.

And probably my dad does. I don't want to diagnose him, but he played fucking 26 of our years in the NFL. And, you know, like they can see tau protein on people's brains. Like, no doubt about it. It's a bad thing. But I also think we ignore the existential crisis a lot to the detriment of people who are trying to find their way. And I think, you know, what's so interesting, I'm very proud to be a part of the class of retirees that made it through COVID, like in the first, you know, year and a half, like,

because if you had told me, hey, you're going to retire into a pandemic where you can't leave your house in the dead of winter and shit like that, I would have said I was, I wouldn't have made it. And by not made it, I don't know what that looks like, but it wouldn't have been pretty. So, but you retired week seven, dude. Like, you know, like, that's a tough thing, dude. Like, everybody feels like retiring middle of the season and you had the balls to do it. Like, you know, people have tough years. They go through shit where they're just like, I'm over it. I'm not this guy anymore. When did you realize it?

Like, what was the moment? And then who was the first person you told it and how did they react? I remember my dad. When I was younger, I was like, how do you know? I asked him because he played, he played ball in college and he played, I think he did like a training camp. Yeah, he was in some camps, right? Yeah, yeah.

And I was like, how did you know when to walk away from the game? Because at that time, I was like, I love it. I want to play forever. And he said, he said, you'll know when you know. And it always lingered in the back of my mind. And you can kind of feel, I remember 2015, I got on the phone with Barry Sanders. And I was like, how did you know when to walk away? I had a conversation with him.

And he kind of said the same thing. He's like, you'll know when you know. And I was still kind of dabbling. I had like a year, that was a year or two before I walked away. So 2016, we were playing, I believe, was the Steelers. Yeah, I think we were playing the Steelers or the Browns. It's one of those. I was looking up in the stands.

And at that time, I was reading this book called Fabric of the Cosmos by Brian Green. So at night, you know what I'm saying? I would just be reading my book. And I was looking up in the stands and I was like, I don't give a fuck who wins this game. I could not care less who wins this stupid fucking guy. I just don't care. I just do not care. And I was like, I want to go home and get in my bed and read me.

I want to finish my book. Like it was a very like a, damn. And at that moment I was like, I don't need to be here no more. And so after the game, the next day I went into my coach's office and I was like, yo, bro, like, I know this is going to be wild. I was like, I don't want to play anymore. Like, I'm, like, I'm done. Like, I know I'm done.

He was like, oh, you're sure, man? I was like, I've never been any more short than anything. I'm really done. He's like, okay, well, take two days. He said, come back. And if you still feel the same, he said, you know, we'll help you, you know, through the process. And I said, all right, but that was the worst thing because, you know, who is this?

This was Adam Gase. Oh, Gase. Yeah, yeah. So you feel like he, did you feel like he handled that with, with a lot of empathy and respect? Oh, my dude, like, bro, I got nothing but love for him and the Miami organization because they could have, like, they could have had me old money and I could have been all, but like I think they respected, like, because when I first got there, they were like a young team.

And that's really what they bring vets in for us to kind of like show cats and the ropes, right? And so I had two young dudes behind me. It was Jay Ajai, which he blossomed that year and then Kenyon Drake, right? And so they knew how to work, but they didn't know how to work like on an elite level, right? And so, like, I just gave him everything that I had. If they had any questions, I was showing them how. like in practice like little things with running backs is like you finish 20 30 yards down the field that's what somebody told me like when I was young you always finished like always finished way down the field like little stuff like that just work ethic taking care of your body shit like that like that gave me what I what I had but um I think I think they respected what I brought like I brought like a certain amount of like competition like shit talking against the defense it's like that kind of that kind of brings you know camaraderie you know to your team and and that that year that team went to the playoffs it was like a really good unit um I was in New England.

We played you guys in like the opener in one of those games of Gillette. Oh, no, that's right. Yeah, that was a month before you retired basically. And you had you, hey, yeah, Drake. And I never would have guessed that you were at the end of your rope. Like, you know what I mean? Like, you know what I mean? Like, you could be playing well and not really want to be doing that shit anymore. Yep.

And so I had, yeah, so I went to him and then the two days passed and I walked up and I was like, I don't play a position that's like you can kind of coast on. Like I feel like you can coast on some positions, but like this is like, I can hurt myself or I could hurt somebody else really bad if my heart isn't in it. And that's just not something I'm willing to do. And so I told them, yo, I respect the opportunity. Y'all gave me and everything, but it's like my heart's just not in this anymore, man. And I respect y'all too much because y'all got some good brewing here. And I respect the game too much.

I love what the game has given me to just come out of half asked. And I like I gave my, I gave my life to this. game. I've been playing since I was seven years old and I just, my heart's not in anymore. I didn't have the grind. I don't want to wake up at four in the morning, five in the morning, sitting in the ice tub. I just didn't have it in me anymore, man. I just, I wanted to go read a book. And once that superseded my love for the game, it was like I knew it was time to walk away. How was the book? Did it well? It was a great book, man. Here's the thing, man. Like, you can't fake, you can't decide to want it. Like, and like your pop said, I just feel like there's a,

a day you wake up and you're like, I still want it, but I'm cheating the game if I don't want it bad enough to kill myself to win like I used to. And like, it's just really easy to know where that is, but it's really hard to forecast when it's coming, which is a hard thing.

We want to plan. We want to say like, oh, I'll be done here. Like, I want to finish next year, but it's a really hard thing, you know,

because it just kind of pops up on you, you know? So, like, everybody wants to finish Super Bowl champion, MVP, right off into the sunset. it was like, nah, man, life ain't like that.

Well, football especially is not like that. I mean, like football, you know, and another thing is coaches always tell you, if you don't want to be here, get the fuck out. Well, you got the fuck out. And no teammates gave you shit. Not to my face. It got back to you? No, no, no, I mean, no, I haven't heard anything.

But I'm sure, I'm sure there's guys, because there's fans and there's people in general who are like, oh, you quit on the team. Like, of course, there's probably people that feel that way. But I think anybody who has, you know, played the amount of time and had the amount of success that you've had will respect the decision for the most part man um because you got to deal with yourself after after the playing days over after the startum goals after the interviews go after all that shit goes like you got to look at yourself in the mirror and you got to deal with the body you have left right and so it's like i knew

when it was done when i was done so having a dad who played i think i read this one time that you that your dad wanted you to maybe avoid football to a degree and we have that in common uh because pops didn't want me to play. Not that did mom, but what went into kind of like that for your dad? And then, you know, I don't know if you have kids or not, but would you let your kids play football? Right. I wanted to play because my dad played for sure. That was pops, right?

And he never forced it on me. He didn't want me to play. But it was like, that was, you know, I loved my dad. I wanted to be like my dad. And so, yeah, so I played and I was a baller at a young age. And I knew I was different relative to the kids around me. my kids i got two boys i don't want them to play one of my one of my sons is not even remotely interested in football like he's just like whatever good for him yeah i'm super happy super happy

super happy about it man um but one of them is a fucking sports junkie man he's really like he's i i'm pretty honest when it comes to my kids like um about where they're at he's really really good at baseball he loves football but he's really really good at baseball and i'm like i i'm like all right bro if you want to play these sports like i'm pushing him so like every time he comes over, we play catch. Like we do, we do the baseball thing, but they always wanna play football. I don't, I'm not pushing it.

I don't want him to play. He's like, he's always like, he has my card, shit like that. Like he's like a really, he's like, be like my biggest fan. Yeah. And so like naturally he's probably gonna wanna do it. And I'll never be like, no, don't, right? Like I'm not gonna tell him you can't, right?

But I'll tell him like, something like I just, I just, it's just not the life, man. Because I've seen a pot of gold, man. And the pot of gold is cool, but it didn't fix my life. Like, you know, it made me a lot of money. No doubt about it. But like, I didn't emerge from it, like, perfect and, like, fulfilled. So I think as much as the safety thing is concerned, like my five-year-old, Waylon,

I'm like, I think he's going to be a dirt bike kid. And that's going to be fucked up and scary. But at least he's not going to have to, like, follow in my footsteps doing something, which I think is also a very stressful thing. Like, he'd be, your son would be third generation. in NFL, you know, like, and that's a tough thing, you know, like, because I've lived that. And it's, you know, it's something you got to be, you know, considerate of. It's like, it's a lot of, well, what was that like?

I mean, you probably, and then you were a first round pick. So it was probably like, yeah, you got to have some, you got to be able to, you got to be able to batten down the hatches and fucking suck it up because people are, you know, like, in one way, it's easy. You know, in one way, I had a lot of things good. Like, you talked about it. I have a longer rope as a high draft pick and you're on the other end of it, although you had such an amazing college career, for some reason, you can plummet it.

And your situation where I felt like was unique because everybody know you could ball, but like you just, for some reason, we're undrafted. And I think for me, it was like, I was just ready, I was ready for the pressure. Like, you never get used to pressure, but it helped me as a pro because not only drafted high, but also drafted to a shit storm. Like, St. Louis was a shit storm. And you know as well as anybody like when a situation's fucked up. Like that's like getting drafted to Houston right now.

The only difference is that Houston, there's cameras now and people that know what's going on in the building. Houston is not the first Houston, you know, like. So I think it was really hard. And I think also, you know, whatever you accomplish, it makes you grounded in a way because you're no big deal in your family, which makes me grounded. It doesn't make me define myself by football. Because if I'm going to try to win that game, unless they're going to put a gold jacket on me, it's not, you know, it's like, you know, it's like, you know, I had a great career. I was very happy with it.

But I'm not going to walk around like I'm fucking 10 feet tall because that's a positive. But the negative is you can't walk around like you're 10 feet tall. It's just not in you. So, you know, that's an interesting dynamic though, actually, man. Your climb to the NFL was more so like you're trying to prove stuff to yourself. And maybe following your dad's footsteps. But everybody in your family was like, yeah, but, you know, it's nothing new. Like, we've seen this before, right?

Which is cool. No, yeah, no, I'm saying like that pressure, like, so like that pressure you felt like probably publicly was alleviated when you got around your family. That's exactly right. Like, it's exactly right. My dad was like, the way you describe, hey, I want my son to just like, I'm going to do the baseball thing. Like, my dad was in the dugout.

Like, he would stay out of the way. But like, hey, if you're going to be a baseball player, you're going to take a thousand fucking cuts. That's all I'm asking is that you work your ass off. And so, you know, I was a, I was a kid with opportunity. and wealth and privilege. So all I can do is a dad now, two generations being removed from having the proverbial gun to your head that you've got to succeed or you're going to be out on the street.

You know, that was my dad's fight. My fight was way different. My fight was like, in a way, you don't have the necessity. So I'm not saying it's easier. It's just different. Like you got to be intrinsically motivated. And there's no like, if I don't do this, my family's fucked or my mom. Like, if I had that motivation, I don't know.

Maybe I'd be better. And maybe I'd still be, I'd probably still be playing, which not a great thing necessarily. But I think, you know, there's a positive and negative. There's a flip side to everything. And you're right. Like when I got around my family, you know, my dad was just my dad and I was just me. And that was cool, man. It was cool.

So I was just saying like, because like I was the exact opposite of that, right? Like coming from. I didn't sure you met plenty of cats like me in the league where I was like, this was the way out. And also like the pressure off the field was probably more than it was. on because it's like you taking care of everybody and your family you showing them the way like this is like this is first generation wealth right yeah it's like and so it's like you you learning the finances on a goal like you learning all this shot on the go like you don't know who to trust like

that's it's just a really wild ride like looking back and it's it's like I got lucky along the way because I met some really ethical people yeah I know I know cats who didn't have that those ethical people in their corner and they got got man and I think that's a bigger bigger conversation to be had, especially with the NFL. It's like, you don't put guys in the best positions to have their finances in order. The financial illiteracy is something that like even plagued me deep into my career, even coming from money. So the irony is like even, you know, because I wasn't third generation wealthy, so we're not practicing at this. You know what I mean? Like I was the first generation. Like I'm your kids. You know what I mean? Like actually,

not even not as much money like you know when in the 80s they made you know my dad made all his money after football you know so so it's just it's such an interesting thing and then you get in locker rooms and like if your son ever becomes an NFL player or something there's going to be cats that hate on him you know because that's the thing that is harder is people do dislike you because they perceive nepotism but the irony of hating on somebody in your locker room because their second generation NFL is that you're hating on your own son yeah wow if you ever gets there eventually yeah yeah you know it's just it's a wild thing so but anyways you're you're a rapper now you're bobby fina well you're a lot of things now which which is awesome i mean like we get to

see the whole area in foster which is cool man and actually i'm not blowing smoke i'm sure a lot of people have told you this i mean when naz is interested in your music like you know go figure but you're fucking good at it dude and there's a lot of athletes who take swings at it and they you know they're just not that great so where do you want to go with it like are you have any big plan or are you just kind of doing what you love? Yeah, no, I'm just doing what I love, man. I went on a tour right before COVID hit. It's a little small tour.

We had to play some small venues in the south. Like eight or nine cities. But yeah, like you said, man, like Nas, I'm signed to Mass Appeal, Nause's record label. And it's not that I don't need a record label. Nowadays, digital distribution is everything. And so it's more so just like if people do give it a listen, it's like, okay, it's not just somebody doing music.

like I love this like this is what I do um I was I would say I'm probably more talented at this than than football but football was just an easier route for me to like I've been writing and making music as I was a child like nine 10 years old I've been doing this um and so now I just get a chance to do it at a level where I've always wanted to um and uh it's just it's just a part of me man so it's like something that like I'm not looking I don't want to sell out no garden I don't I don't want to you don't even want to make videos I like I you know I have to kind of something sometimes push the content. But leaving like this last project, I got to make any videos.

I'm just over marketing in general. I fucking hate marketing, dog. Yeah, dude. It's the biggest. It's the biggest mind fuck. I got a podcast now and people will be like, yo, you got to share your socials. You got to put your face out there.

And I'm like, no, I actually just want to do it. I want people to like it, but I don't want to try too hard. You know what I mean? Yeah. I just don't like marketing because it's like, it's almost like gimmicky, man. And it's not why I make music. I'll probably make music to,

I'm dead. Whether I release anything or not, I've been making music since I was a child, but I'll probably make it until I'm dead. And I've really enjoyed it. I really love the musicality of it, the instrumentation of it, the strings, the horns, the percussion. I'm in love with it. I love it. And so I'll be making it forever, but it's such a small piece of actually making music. Like nowadays, and really all the time, man, it's never really about the music. It's more about like the show of it. And like if every, every music, musician is like almost a character, right? And that becomes almost a caricature.

And people fall in love with that. People fall in love with the backstories and yada y'all. And so like I'm a well aware like when people listen to my music, they used to play football. And so it's like they always listen through the lens of, oh, this is a football player. Well, they don't grow musicians on fields. Like we all come from where we come from.

Which can be detrimental too, right? Because people don't look at the way. This guy's got fucking skill. He's a football player that became a rapper when you were doing this before football. Yeah, it's the worst thing for it. But again, like I'm not trying to get famous off this shit. Like, I couldn't care less, but I really just, I think if people look past it and enjoy the kind of music that I make, it's, it's your, it's right in your pocket. Like, I respect the craft. I take my writing very seriously. Like, I'm a writer before anything else. Like,

before I was a football player, I was a writer. I think it's great, man. I like, I think you've got, like the bars are great. The fucking flow is. cool and I like the production. I think a production is I'm not afraid to say like when it comes to listen to hip hop, which I do less of than I used to because I think there's less good music coming out. And I know I sound like an old man listening on a fucking cloud, but I grew up in the 90s, dude. You know, like, production's important to me. And I think like you crush the production side of it. So you can tell you're definitely immersed in the whole, the musical side of it, not just like, oh, I got these bars that, you know, I've written in a notepad.

Yeah, no, I can't. I think I come from like the branch of like a Kanye where it's like, I like making conceptual songs and conceptual albums where it's like I'm not just rapping to rap. I mean, there are songs where I do just spit the bars. But for the most part, there's like there's like a message and there's a like in the song. There's like a there's something I'm trying to express. And like that's what I used to love about Kanye. I still do. I love Kanye. Just not everything. It's a little differently. It's like, yeah. It's hard, man. When he put out that that album with the mountains in the background and he was going through all that idea. biological bullshit. I was like, I'm checking out. There's like two or three or four tracks on it. There's like bangers though, man. It's like, I'll always check for him because he's a musical genius. Oh, I got yelled at. I got yelled at at at the time on the internet because I said, like, I'm not boycotting Kanye. I won't buy his new shit because I think like as a person, I'm not buying what he's selling anymore. But even like, you know, Kanye like from,

you know, when I was in college, we'll always in college and even beyond that. Like, I'm going to listen to his albums. Like I'm not going to cancel Kanye's old. music because I think he's he's got some stupid takes these days. Like I'm not going to listen to his new shit because I do think that rap above other like forms of music, like it's a very personal thing. So it's hard to separate the artist from the art, in my opinion. So like if I think a guy's a douchebag, like it's really hard for me to listen to his music. You know what I mean? Yeah. I understand that, but I'm the exact opposite. Like, yeah, because it's like if it, if it resonates with me like that's what art is dog it's like I could disagree with 99.9% of who a human

being is and what they think but this point one they put in a song that I fuck with that's the beauty of art and that's what keeps us connected and that's what it's why I used to not think art was like important like if you even look at like in these um a lot of these like these COVID relief bills there was like uh 30 million dollars for like an art center or something like that and like on the face it's like oh why are you trying to give money people need money like why are you giving it to arts, like arts and the preservation of arts is literally ushering in what our culture is. Like it is what we are. Like if you look at any deservated society or culture, like all they do is, if we were to keep, there's two things that we keep when we look at old societies that are in ruins.

We look at their science, like what they have attributed technologically. And we look at their art, their culture. Those are two things that we always keep from society. So those things should always be preserved. And so it's like, I'll listen to anything. I'm the type of cat where if a dude is at the on a gas station with a CD, he's like, yo, listen to me. I'll listen to him. Yeah, you really get a lot more of that now. That was going to ask.

You get a lot of people like, yo, check out my song cloud. Oh, yeah, and I'll do it. And you know, it's crazy. I mean, I would say over 90% is not my cup of tea. Every now and then, bro, I will find a dope artist. I found out like two or three like really good. Like I will go to bat for them because they just dope, man. I found like two or three really good ones.

Just on some like, you know, listen to my shit. And I'll listen. I'll give anybody listen. Well, no. And where we differ is I feel like there's enough art that I can pick and choose. Like, if I don't love Kanye's new shit and I'm like, I think he's a fucking quack now. That's my opinion. Then I can go listen to the 50.

And you were talking about concept albums. Boy, do I miss Kendrick? I mean, I think he's the best out in my opinion right now. Kendrick is unreal, though. Who else? I love Freddie. I just had Freddie on the pod. I love Freddie as a 90s kid.

Like fucking this guy is the 90s kid with the production of the 2020s, dude. Like the alchemist stuff. The bandana is probably my favorite thing he did. But like, who else now is out that you really, really like? If you could put, here's a better way to put it, talking about putting things in time capsules to get in the mood from macro dosing here. But they're talking about putting things in time capsules. Like they're putting a time capsule in the Space Needle in Seattle and they were arguing over,

do you put a Nirvana or a Pearl Jam album in there? Give me one album that Aaron Foster wants to put in a time capsule for aliens to find in a thousand years. Oh, man. That's tough. A small shout out to somebody now, though, just to answer your question, now that I'm thinking about, is Isaiah Rashad. I don't know if you've heard of him.

I don't. I don't know Isaiah. He's on TDE. He's on the same label, Kendrick and, like, school. Okay. To me, he's like, he's like next up. He's so far. But I think the most complete, and to me, it'll be hip-hop because it's the best

storytelling, right? And so, like, I'm a black man in the, America grew up in in society I grew up in to me what encapsulated that in the best way that that also merged the kind of music that I fell in love with which I think the best era of music is the 60s and the 70s agreed is to Pimper Butterfly that album is fucking perfect dog oh my god you know fucking perfect and you're right it had all it had so many like outside musical influences, but they're not really outside when you think about it because hip hop came from from other musical influences. Like so when you're outside of the genre, like, and it's funny,

me being a white kid in the 90s listening to New York hip hop, which I really fell in love with it, you know, and to the point where I had all the Papoose mixtapstapes in college. Like, yeah, dude, like Stobeck name. Like, Saigon and shit like that. Like I'm really listening to like real New York rap and I'm like, I got to buy mixtapes.com shit. But like, the, The way I learned about old music was I learned on it on samples. Like so like a lot of my favorite music, I was first exposed to through samples. You know, so I think it's just so interesting when it comes to hip hop. Like you can always go backwards to find more good music.

And I'm always looking for more good music and I always go backwards, you know. A thousand percent, 100 percent, man. Like sampling to me, like a lot of people like have disdain for it. But I love it because it, like you said, like you find artists. sampling. And it's like the only place where art creates art, you know what I mean? Like it's like the art, art has a baby and you get to like see what else was created from it. I think it's a beautiful thing. And it's a nod. If you're doing it respectfully, it's a nod. And so who are the best athlete rappers who actually made the switch or do both?

And you were like, yeah, that guy's pretty good. There's not many. And I don't say that disrespectfully, I just think a lot of the times cats do it, they just do it for the wrong reasons. Like they just, they like rap and they're just expressing himself how they express. But they haven't really like understood like, yo, this is an art form and people have been doing this. Like this is what they give their lives to. Like people study language, people study. Yeah, you can't move right. Yeah. And so there's not a lot. I think, you know, of course, I think the most famous one is Dame. He cares about what he, yeah, he cares about what he puts down. One that nobody really knows.

about, bro, is, um, he's not, he doesn't do rap. He does like Afro. I forget what the genre was called, man, but Tomba Ali. Oh, Tomba, yeah. Tomba shit is fired, dog. He has a song called, oh my God, that is like heavy on my rotation always, bro. Like, that shit is, I love his style, dog. I love it. There's a lot of good music coming out of West Africa, especially like, I mean, you know, when you're out of shit on Spotify, and really before you're out of shit on Spotify, you should go look at Afro beat and stuff like that. If you're out of music, music because there's so many great musicians there. And there's so much intermingling between like the British rock and roll stuff and like, you know, the soul from the U.S.

And like it's just so cool, man. I really like Schumpert. Amon Schumpert. I thought he was pretty good when he... I've never really listened to it. I've heard that he raps. I think I saw like one video of him once, which I thought was good. Debt, D-E-B-T, the B is silent. Debt can feel crippling, but Upstart can help you. on your path to financial freedom. Upstart is the fast and easy way to pay off your debt with a personal loan all online. Whether it's paying off credit cards, consolidating high interest debt, or funding personal expenses, over half a million people have used Upstart to get one fixed monthly payment. Upstart knows you're more than just your credit score and is expanding

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So macrodosing now, okay? How does that happen? I had a podcast, like, I think 2017 is called Now What? And I had like probably like 50 episodes and I had like really dope conversations. I remember that actually. It was really dope. We had like I had like Snoop Dogg, Neil DeGrasse Tyson. They was on like a whole really like an astronaut.

It was really dope, man. I just I stopped because it started to feel like a job, man. And I was like, I don't want to do this shit no more. And there's a guy who is like. Like the behind the scenes guy and most of Hollywood stuff is got them named Tommy Altered. You know Tommy? Tommy's my guy dude. I talk to Tommy every week.

So everybody knows Tommy. Everybody knows Tommy, man. Tommy is what I call him the plug. He just he just hooked shit up, man. And so he was like, yeah, so every now and then like I'll be in LA or New York. He'll be like, yo, let's go out of dinner and he'll set up these big dinners with like a whole bunch of like, you know, movers. And so every now and then we would meet up and PFT or Big Cat would be there or both. And it just loved the vibes, good people, whatever.

Yeah. And Tommy hit me one day. He's like, yo, I got an idea for a podcast. Like, what do you think about this? And I was like, sounds good. So it was just wrapped and it bloomed from there. So I think it's really dope, man. It's like I'm saying, we're really young.

We're kind of still feeling ourselves around. But they're starting to develop into a really cool show. I wanted to do something that wasn't as like, I think politics is infused in everything. But I started to get really heavy into politics, man. And it's draining. And so I haven't even been on Twitter. I'm off pretty much all social media lately because it's just draining, man. I still follow the news.

But I wanted to do something that was like lighthearted, that kind of was fun for me and wasn't traumatic. So this is fun. We just take like conspiracy theories, which, you know, can veer into politics. But we just take like conspiracy theories and we kind of break them down and talk about why they are and what's going on with them. It's pretty fun. So I was reading, I was reading, and I'm so interested in this. And I've been saving this for a trip. So I'm going to start macrodosing now.

And I'm not talking about shrooms or anything. I'm just saying I'm going to start listening to Arian. She'd take the shrooms too. Oh, if I were to take shrooms, I would probably love them. And I probably take them with regularity. For sure. But probably the best buzz, I would probably, I would, if I ever took shrooms, I would probably think it was the best buzz and the, the,

Buzz Kingdom. It's a body high that's so fun, man. It's like, you know, it's always tell people that there's difference between like taking a hero dose where you like got to sit down. I don't want five grams, dude. Yeah, yeah. No, like that, that's like that.

That's like the, where like, you know, I think it was in, it was in Terrence McKenna where he's talking about like it opens you up. Micro, micro dosing is to me, they're actually doing a lot of studies like a John Hopkins. I actually had a fucking visit set up to John Hopkins. and they were going to kind of show me all the like the research that they were doing. But COVID hit.

I got to set that up, by the way. But they're doing innovative research into how psilocybin can actually be used for medicinal purposes for like anxiety and depression. And it's just really fast. Like when you start to look at like the research and the science behind it and how like when you take it like connects neurons that aren't necessarily connected beforehand. And the doper shit is doing it, right? So, yeah, I have microdose plenty of times in my life. And it's not like a, oh, I'm like a smoking high where you're just like, I'm zooted and you can't really, I'm stuck on the couch. It's nothing like that.

I always tell people like when you do it, it makes you feel like every day you walk and you get up and you're going throughout the, you know, your daily routine. It feels like you're in the earth. You feel like you're part of the world. Yeah, it's like you're in it. But when you take that, you feel like you're a part of it in like this very succinct way to where it's like, you'll listen to music and you're like, y'all, I am this music. Like, and it sounds really like, oh, he's on drugs. But it's like, nah, like if you really break it down, like scientifically, there's nothing on this earth that isn't a vibration. All we are is vibrations ourselves.

As universe is just a bunch of different vibrations. Everything is vibrating on a very micro level. And when you take it, it just opens your eyes to like a different reality. Like I took mushrooms. First time I took mushrooms when I was, I was like 13, 14, something like that. And I accidentally took them at school. Like, I was a bad kid. And they weren't dosing back then.

They didn't have a little skin like, it just got a little stem and a cap. We took them. And I just, I just remember like it just broadening my horizons of like, yo, what am I doing? with my life. Like, because I was like ditching class. I was doing this. And it just opened on mind. I was like, what am I really doing here? And like, I've never really met somebody that's taking shrooms or any kind of psilocybin who's a closed mind and human being. I just don't think you can leave that experience and be self-centered because it, it makes you realize that you're just a part. You're not the center, but you're just a part of it. And it's really profound, man.

I think Eminem had a line a long time ago. He was talking about marijuana, but like I use it for shrooms. Like, it's like nature's way of saying hi. Like, it's really like the universe talking to you, man. And I'm not even a spiritual cat, fan. But it just feels like that when you take it. It's really wild. It's funny. I thought you were going to refer to the verse where the chick ate the whole bag back on.

Like, on the first shady LP or whatever was. Come on, you ate the whole bag. No, but you're right. You're right about it. And if I were to take mushrooms, I'd have probably come away from it thinking that, that I'm not that important and that's great. Yeah. You know,

you feel incredibly centered, like right where you are. And I think one of the hardest things people have a hard time doing is, is being present. And I think it's used responsibly. I think it's an incredible, incredible tool. I think it's,

it's one of the best tools we have. They're talking about CEOs in the Bay or, you know, taking tabs of acid. And, you know, and I think people also need to realize that when you're talking about microdosing shrooms, you're not talking about getting fucked up. You know, it's a lift. Now, you can do any normal tasks that you can do it on when you're, when you're microdosing. But to define a microdose, it's not, you know, it's not, it's the threshold for a microdose is going to depend on your weight and that sort of thing.

But it's definitely not a gram of shrooms. I mean, like, you know, that's, it depends. So we endorse responsible shroom usage. But you guys talk about a lot of like conspiracies on on here, including the Denver airport, pseudicide, which I didn't even know the word for, which is basically when you disappear and act like you're dead. The Bermuda Triangle hasn't come up yet. I don't think.

But I guess I'm wondering, like, has there been anything that surprised you as being like, oh, I buy that? Like you guys talk about it. Some of the shit you don't take seriously probably. But has there been anything that you could sway? somebody on after talking about it? There was one we did early on. It was about, like, MK Ultra.

Okay. So that was not really a conspiracy theory. And so, like, that's what's interesting about the show. It's like, we set the topic a week before. We, like, all do research for the week and then we all, you know, come together and talk about it. But MK. Ultra was interesting because I always thought it was like, because I saw one, this is like a famous clip of Al Roker.

When he was on Good Morning America, he just zoned out. Like, he was just staring off. For like a good, like 40 seconds. It was really wild. And then he just came to. And it was like, oh, that's the government doing M.K. Oter. Right? And it was like, you can literally Google it, like, Al Roker, MK. Ultra.

And it'll pop up. I thought it was like some like wild ass, like, conspiracy there where the government's trying to write. But when you dig into what it actually is, it was a real thing. And so what it really was, was now I'm going to, yeah, super paraphrase it. But what it really was was the government was experimenting trying to create super soldiers. And so they would put them full of, they would pump them full of LSD. Yeah.

And they would like do really unethical studies on people that they were to tell them they were doing something giving them and they were giving them something entirely different. But the irony of it is like, it's American as apple pie, by the way. 100%. And the irony of it is you're trying to. And actually they copied the Nazis, right? they were trying to mimic what the Nazis were doing, which is hilarious, because that's on point for America as well. But the irony of what they were doing were they were giving these soldiers trying to create super soldiers. They were trying to have people do hideous things and have them not remember, which is fucking gross.

But that's what they were trying to do. But the irony was they were giving all these soldiers like LSD. And a lot of them went into psychosis, but the ones that came back. too LSD does nothing but open your mind like it's like the government like what am I doing trying to fight the government's war like that kind of shit right so it's yeah dude it had the opposite effect of with instead of creating soldiers you created like a really free thinker um uh and if if if you weren't you know thrown into full psychosis because of the overdose of the LSD well not just that you shouldn't take acid if you have like underlying mental health conditions I mean like you shouldn't take shrooms

you should be careful about all that stuff that somebody's listening. I'll go try this shit. Like, you should make sure you're straight. Like, you're in a good place. Yeah, I'm an advocate for psilocybin and LSD or any kind of hallucinogen. But you have to do research on it. You have to understand what you're doing. Understand the doses that's safe for you.

And don't just walk into it. Have a spotter. Have somebody there that's season that knows what they're doing because it can be a very joyful, enlightening experience. If you do it correctly, and you respect it. Because it's not a party drug. You don't take LSD and go to the club, man. You do it like in nature where it's just you and somebody

where you're trying to connect with yourself and others. Like it's a really powerful chemical, man. It is powerful and it should be handled with care. But you're saying that the MK Ultra thing, they were trying to fucking just wipe these guys' brains. They were trying to create super soldiers to where they can do like crazy, like murderous shit and have them not remember.

Yeah. And so this is documented. And this is literally like, there's, there's court documents that it's not like a conspiracy that it's really happened. And there were there were like thousands of files that the CIA burned. It's wild. So like there's even more tests and stuff that they've done behind the scenes that we're like unaware of. And so that's what kind of dope about this podcast is like we'll go into like something. It's like we've done like flat earth before.

Right. So like flat earth is fucking hilarious to make fun of and shit. But then you'll get into something like M.K. Ultra where it's like, yo, this shit really happened. And it's wild. Yeah, and Al Roker was pumped full LSD. Yeah, that would be fire. What's the weather like today? On LSD.

Another thing is the Denver airport. And I'm so glad you guys have talked about this. And for the record, I didn't hear what you had to say. But, I mean, who hasn't gone down the walking side, the moving sidewalk there and seen the guy with the sword? I mean, the guy with the sword is just stuck at my head. The gas mask and the sword and the, yeah, yeah. You believe that? You think there's shit under there?

No, no, not. So I actually did a lot of research on this one for the podcast. And so it's like, it's funny and it's so funny that like they, the Denver Airport now makes fun of the fact that people think about it like this. Right. So even have like a, yeah, they have like a gargoyle that's like a mechanical gargoyle that talks about all the conspiracies. And so there's anything from like there's, there's, there's like a bomb shelter that they're hiding children in. And like there's just it, it goes, you go real deep down to rabbit hole. But what I think happened. was just like they um they spent so much time and so much money building this airport out that um that they overshot the budget shit got pushed back and when there was just so much room that people just started to talk and after a while like and they wanted to do it like they wanted to design it in a way that was like kind of like modern art form and so they put like this wild blue mustang that's like creepy yeah yeah so it's like creepy and so and then and then the the store like shit kept happening, which I think is just kind of coincidence, but like shit kept happening to where it's like, come on, man, something, something with this airport. So like the dude that was creating the Mustang,

he was putting it up and it fell on him in it. He got crushed. Yeah, he died. Yeah, he died. No, I'm not laughing, but he got crushed. But you know all the ways to go to get crushed under your beautiful 30-foot statue of a horse. I mean, it's wild. And so, and so like, people are like, oh, look at the eyes are creepy of the horse. And it's like the family after he died posthumously made him that they made him like a neon red because it was like a it was an ode to the man who made it because he he was actually, um, he made light like neon light signs for a living. And so it's like an ode to him. And so people ran with that saying like, oh, it's a devil horse at the beginning. You know what they're like they just they just commissioned some fucked up art by the walking sidewalk. If they did

just not commission this art, probably we'd never have this conversation. Well, if you, If you look into that art, I forget the artist's name because it's been a minute since I researched it. But if you look into that art, that art is actually gorgeous, dog. But the reasons as to why it's beautiful, right? So the reason that he made the, if you listen to how he made it and what he made it for, it's like, it's beautiful, dog. And so it's like, I think in general, people, like, if that shit was at an art museum, they would not, no problem. But because it's at airport and people are used to those boring as, you know, hexagoners

hexagon paintings where it's just like a whole bunch of patterns. It's boring shit like that. People aren't used to like abstract art in an airport. And because they're not like, you know, the rumors get to flying and I think it's fun. But no, I don't think anything's going on at the airport. The last one here.

And this is something that made news for you. And it's like in your Wikipedia and shit, I should let you know. I stay away from that. You spend days defending the take that you could defeat a wolf. in total combat. So do you still feel that way? Do you still feel like Arian Foster against the wolf,

you're the favorite, like minus 200 odds? You know, it's funny though, I like escaped poverty in America from the slums of Albuquerque, New Mexico, and grew up in a high school in San Diego, California, beat the odds when undrafted, and the most thing I'm known for is me arguing about me being a double wolf. It's fucking hilarious, though. But so it was funny how that shit happened, man.

That shit, you know how big that shit got? Because I, you know, you fought me on Twitter for a while. I just be shooting the shit with whoever shoots the shit back. That's why you're great on there, dude. That's why you left, but I get it because I'm trying to get the fuck out of that thing. For sure. But that shit actually got me on Joe Rogan, man. Like, that shit got me on Rogan.

That's what got you on Rogan. Yeah, bro. So I'm buddies with Neil Brennan. And Neil Brennan hit me. He was like, yo, you want to get on Rogan? I'm like, yeah, for sure. And he was like, your wolf tweet. Everybody wants to talk about the wolf tweet.

I'm like, that's what got me on Rogan. That's crazy. But all right. For the record, I want to say this. I also believe I can beat up a wolf if that's going to get me on. What is the thing, man? So it's like, there's a, there's a scale, right? So it's like, people are like sending me these 250-pound wolves.

I'm like, fam. Like, let's be realistic, dog. Not every wolf looks like that. One, two, wolves rolling. packs. So it's the odds of me seeing a wolf one-on-one, it's probably going to be an outcasted wolf, and he's going to be injured or old, you know,

something like that. And so the conversation started was like, yo, when we go camping, like, do you go camping like that? And I'm like, I don't really go camping because I don't fuck with nature, because like I'm scared of nature. I'm scared of the water. I'm scared of the woods. I'm scared of bears. Grizzly bear just somebody two hours from me,

an hour and a half. And it's not an attack. That's just grizzly bear doing a grizzly bear shit. It sucks, but you just stay away from the motherfuckers, bro. And so I was like, but I probably get a wolf one-on-one. And, yo, people just like, they went crazy. Like, you cannot. And I'm like, fam, I think I can.

And so it's like, and I'm like, okay, if there was one thing that I would have to square up with, like the bear, I'm just going to die. I would try it, but like I'm just going to die. It's like, it's like a cougar or like a wolf or something like that. It's like, yo, I have a slight possibility. But there's a chance that I can come out of this alive. I have to think I could beat him or else I'm going to lose anyway. So I got, I don't want to like.

I don't want to like rain on your parade. I just don't feel like I don't like you as much in a fight against a cougar. They scare me more than grizzly up here because, well, again, you're in an octagon. You're not on a trail. But as far as being somebody in nature, like, you know, Mount lions will stalk you. And they'll, you know, like, they'll be on the back of your neck before you even know they're on the back of your neck. Like you've got to come across a grizzly bear and fucking surprise the bear or be between the bear and the Cubs. Like the old adage goes.

But I really do. I'm not going to laugh at your wolf thing because I don't think people realized how much you had thought it out. And maybe you're getting a lone wolf, a dying wolf, an elderly wolf, an undersized wolf. I know I could fuck up a coyote. But then this happened. There was a Russian lady. She was like, she was like 70 years old. She got attacked by a wolf, a lone wolf.

And she fucking killed him. Woo! So I'm not saying I'm that Russian lady. I'm just saying I like my chances, bro. That's all I'm saying. I love it, dude. I love it, dude. I love it, dude.

I'll send you that article, too. I'm just saying. Please do. And have you seen the movie The Grey? Is that with Liam Nelson? Yeah, Neeson. Yeah. I think I saw it on an airplane once.

So I was getting out of sleep. Spoiler alert for people listening and everything. Watch it again. Take an edible. Watch it again and tell me if you think at the end of the movie, he'd be, because it's kind of left. left open ended. But anyways, a poll came out recently. Which of the following animals, if any, do you think you could beat in a fight if you were unarmed? This was a real legit U-Gov poll,

not that polls mean fucking thing, which is what we've realized. But I don't know what's more confusing here, that 8% of people think that they could beat an elephant or that 28% of people don't think they could beat a rat. 72% of people think they could beat a rat. And 8% of people think they could beat an elephant. Eight percent think they could beat a silverback gorilla. Are you fucking kidding? There isn't a human being on this earth that can be the silverback gorilla. No chance, dude. What the fuck? No chance.

So I want to see where you land on this. I'm going to go down a list. Rat, obviously, yes. Yeah, I'm going to get a rat. House cat. Yeah, I'm going to get that. I'm going to get them. I don't even like house cats, honestly. I hate cats. I hate dogs too. Ooh, a goose. Yeah, I can get a goose.

They scare me unnecessarily, but I'll snap that thing's neck. Like, I don't want to be around it, but if I had to, I'd snap it's Yeah, I should preface this all was in. I don't fuck with animals. Like, I don't, like, they stay in your lane. I stay in my lane. Medium-sized dog. Yeah, I got a dog.

Eagle. Yeah, I get eagle. Well, you've already asked about a wolf. I'll skip large dog. Chimpanzee. No, I don't think I get a chin. Because the thing about the chimpanzees and 17% of people think they can take a chimpanzee. What?

When you see a chimpanzee without hair, bro, Go Google that shit and tell me you can beat that thing up. You know how you're a teenager and you start to lift weights and you're starting to feel big, right? And then you go mess with like some 30 year old who don't add no muscles and you just shake his hand. And you're like, why is he so strong? There's a different strength. It's called grown man strength, right? And so chimpanzees, they be swinging on trees.

They grab their entire lives. That grip is different, though. Last one here, kangaroo. No, I can't get a kangaroo. bro. I can't get boxed. They literally boxed, gee. They boxed. And they stand on their tail and they kick. Nah,

I'm straight. All right. Well, we ran down the whole list, man. Aaron Foster definitely can beat up a lone wolf. Definitely, maybe. You heard it here. Definitely a coyote. We could both fuck up a coyote. I could definitely get a coyote for show. Aaron Foster, appreciate it.

Bobby Fino, new album out. It's called Bohemia. Where can you get it? Probably anywhere. get any really good album yeah it's any any streamers whatever your streaming services Apple Spotify Google whatever whatever your shit is is there I gotta come see the studio man hey come on again I really appreciate it man it was great catching up with you and congratulations on all the success and I hope you come back to Twitter a little bit more because that place sucks anytime my brother I appreciate you having me on