Green Light with Chris Long - Beau Allen & Dr. Fax! MNF Recap, Davante Adams & Roughing Penalties. Reply or Retweet & Mailbag.

Episode Date: October 12, 2022

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Tennessee, y'all, 2. 1-800-9-9-7-89. Welcome to the Greenlight podcast. It's another double-drop Wednesday, everyone. So you'll get Bo, Chris, and Dr. Fax today. We're going to do Mailbag, Monday Night Football, and a little something fun called Retweet or Reply. We're going to toss up a couple tweets.

Chris, Dr. Fax, and Bo are going to say, oh yeah, I'm going to reply to that and say why I don't like it, or I'm going to retweet that in support of that tweet. So stick around for that after some interesting. depth Monday night football talk where we talk about these roughing the passer penalties, Devante Adams versus the stadium worker, and Chris's connection he made with one of the first Patrick Mahomes comebacks to Monday night's game. For double drop in the afternoon, we've got David Vibora, Chris's draft class buddy from 2008 and after football has started gym that helps

veterans and people with disabilities. Chris and David have a great conversation, So stick around for that at 2 p.m. And don't forget 4.30 on Thursday. We're going live on Amazon Amp. Make sure download the app, the AMP app, so you can listen to us. 4.30 p.m. Eastern Thursday afternoon. Playing with my lineups a little bit.

That's what I'm doing. This is a good lineup. I like this lineup. We got Dr. Fax in the building. We got Bo on Zoom, even though there's a construction site next to his house. And he's thinking about calling the city of Tampa because he has a decibel reading. Yeah, those motherfuckers don't know how much time I have on my hands, Chris. Okay, you're down to one fuck.

Oh, we're doing this every week? Let's try. Hey, let's raise it to five this week. You know, we're going to like, I had zero last week, so it should carry over. We're building habits. We're building fucking habits, though. And by the way, though, I did see something like that was viral this week that, like,

more intelligent people use the word, use cuss words more. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen that also. And that's good. Like, that's the best news I ever got. So do you think a lot more parents are going to let their kids cuss and feel like that's something?

No chance. No? No chance. I don't know. But if you believe that, then why wouldn't you? Well, I'm not going to let my kids cut. You know, intelligent people drive cars, too. All I know is, Chris, if that's true, I'm smart.

I have a cock. You are smart, Bo. And, all right. So, like, first things first, we've been, some people pointed out, friends, listeners of the show, pointed out that we have neglected. layup line. I vow to be better about layup line. Lord knows I'm listening to plenty of music.

Layup line today, long journey home, Billy Strings, new single. I lost all my money, but $2 bill. Two dollar bill, boys, $2 bill. Cowboy, you approve? Big time. Anything Billy Strings is approved by

Studio J. We love Billy Strings, dude. We love Billy Strings. Nate, you got to check them out. You know what we're going to do? Because on Amazon app, I'm going to play you like a song every week on Amazon amp because we're starting that Thursday. Check us out 430. Nice.

I'm going to play you like this week. We're going to do some dark side of the moon. I've been telling you to listen to Dark Side of the Moon. I'm going to, we're going to listen to Dark Side of the Moon together. And then you get to react to it. A live react. Yeah. Are these people that you know personally?

Like any of these people that like you're going to like let me listen to? No, no, no. I'll warn you before you shit on like, don't know my friends. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, but I don't know Roger Waters. Okay, cool. Okay. Okay.

Monday night, like, my last night, y'all's two nights ago. It's Tuesday afternoon, time of tape. I was, I called Reed. I just had to talk to somebody about this game, the Monday night game. There was, it had everything, and some of it was not good, Bob. It was just, it was a wildly exciting, entertaining game with a great ending. two competitive teams. You had Patrick Mahomes,

you had, you know, Devante Adams, you have Darren Waller for a bit, Max Crosby, like beautiful. Kelsey? Travis Kelsey? Yeah, I'm forgetting

the guy scored four touchdowns. There are so many great players on that field and it's Arrowhead and it's Kansas City and Vegas. It's a rivalry and it's fun, man. But the thing that ruined the night for me was the Chris Jones call. Brutal, yeah.

And the three of us are D-Line. so it's hard to not fucking freaking immediately jump onto that but yeah ruin the night i think what's interesting is you know like number one this guy chefers he's the official who was shooketh by the way when you heard him get on the on the on the i mean

his voice a little watery it's like when you get watery man it's like when you get up to do a group presentation that you're not really that ready for and you're nervous about yeah that he sounded like man or the the presentation that you know you plagiarized yeah exactly and you're like, how is this going to go? I speak for yourself, Dr. Fax.

I'm in these HR classes right now, and I'm playing it by the book. We have an honor code at Virginia. I don't know about you up there in Madison. But so like, you know, this, this ref who's now in the crosshairs, again, like, 2016, Kelsey called him by his name after a game and was like he called this guy out. So maybe there's a little background going into the game. Not to mention, I'm pretty sure Chris Jones is on, you know, the official. most wanted list because, you know, not only that terrible call, they missed the hold on him late

in the game. I know we're going to talk about some of the calls that were missed on the Raiders side, but, you know, he also in recent weeks was flagged in a big situation that might have had a hand in them losing the game to Indy. So it kind of cost them that game. You know, it's kind of like the Chargers Browns this week. Like in a couple weeks, that's going to look like a loss for both teams to me. You know, like even as I sit here today, I feel like Brandon's Daley lost that game. with the Keenan Allen, tweet and everything. But that cost them the game. One of the things that cost them the game was that 15-yard penalty he had,

and why he had it was he walked by Matt Ryan and said something, which I still want to know what he said to Matt Ryan. It had to be incredible or just awful for them to flag him because he didn't even look threatening. I mean, the guy's 325 pounds. You know, he rolls out of bed and looks scary, dude. So, I mean, he, on the Chris Jones looking scary scale, That was like a one, and they flagged him.

So whatever he said must have been pretty bad. I feel like he got the short end of the stick here in a big way, and I was so incensed that I boycotted the third quarter. I had to do a fridge talk. I was like, I'm not watching this fucking game. Yeah, I had the Chiefs laying a touchdown. Yeah, I doubled down on Chief's Money Line, and I'm so thankful I did live.

But I took to the freezer, and I talked about this last night, man. So much has changed since we got in the league. Nate, you know, like you got in a league, what year? 2011? Yeah, 2010, 2011. Yeah, 2011. In 2011, even, we hadn't gone with, you know, there wasn't the below the knees deal. Brady rule.

There wasn't the Brady rule, which obviously came into effect because of Brady. Now we have the landing with your weight rule, aka the Anthony Barr rule. So you're being reactive when a good quarterback gets hurt and you're making these rules up as you go. when I was in the league in 2011, 2010, I can vividly remember hitting Josh Freeman in the head. Okay, I went down in Tampa. I had a pretty good game.

I was after his ass. Sacked him earlier. He got rid of the ball and he's so tall, I was going up to block the pass, but ended up, you know, like, you know, when you go up to block a pass, but you end up kind of hitting somebody at the same time because it's hard for you to change course in the air.

And the next day, I'm just enjoying some fucking toasted ravioli in St. Louis watching NFL live, and I see Trent Dilfer puts me in the spotlight on NFL live, and the next day, actually two days later, I get a FedEx. I don't think they caught that until Trent Dilfer dry snitched on me. No ill will, you know, Trent, but I was even okay at that point because I understood, like, we don't want to scramble dudes eggs, man.

Like, that's, like, I get that part of it. I get the low thing, dude, because I've watched football with two backups. I've watched football with a backup in the playoffs and you're like, damn, this sucks, man. And maybe, you know, the NFL loses money, which hurts my pockets if good quarterbacks aren't in the field. So I'll be a good soldier there. But when the strike zone gets narrowed

and we're calling penalties on Brian Burns in the fourth quarter of a Cleveland Carolina game that leads to a, you know, a Cleveland win, right? They won that game. For form tackling Jacoby Brissette, who's not even like like Jacoby Versette's not going to hurt the the bottom line in the NFL. So we've just come too far. And then last night I felt like a day after Grady Jarrett, it was, I felt gaslit.

I really did as a fan. I felt fucking gaslit because I was like this, this is a game where we're going to do the opposite. We're going to let these guys play because they have to read their mail, right? They did it with Tua. Can you read the mail this week? People hate you for what happened to Grady Jarrett. Some players like Aaron Donald make it look so easy to get these sad. and you don't understand how hard is when you get a clean win and you're bearing down on a quarterback.

I mean, this is something I know. I've had thousands of sacks, thousands of clean rush. I know you have, bro. As a noseguard in the NFL. But, like, you got to, you beat an O-Lignment, and he's hanging off of you. He's pushing you in the back trying to get you by the quarterback. You can't hit him low. You can't hit him high.

And then you have a perfect sack like Grady Jarrett did or, you know, like Chris Jones did last night. It's like, what the fuck do you want us to do, man? You know, I'll take a swear for that one because it's so frustrating. Yeah. Like on Sunday, I was watching the game, the Bucks game with, I mean, I know we're talking about the Monday night football game, but it's just hard to not get worked up about that. And we're all D-Lyman and we've been there. It is so hard. It's pretty, pretty frustrating.

Two points on that. For one, do you feel like if Mahomes, when that happened, if he got up immediately in, like, lobby to the ref, kind of like how Tom Brady did, like, hey, protect me? Do you think that that might have influenced one of those refs to be like, maybe we should call this? You mean when the homes got slung later in the game? Yes. Because they missed that. Yes. And that's what I'm saying.

It was exactly the same play that happened with the Brady, the same type of tackle where it was like, as a D-Lyman, like sometimes you have to follow through on tackles and I just feel like it looks worse than maybe it is. But as a defender trying to tackle someone, you can't let go too early. Guys are athletic and they bounce off the ground. They can stay up. Even unathletic guys can get rid of the ball. Look at the David Tyree helmet catch.

Exactly. That's the type of thing that if somebody was gun shy there, you know, I just think of all the plays where if you let a quarterback, if you kind of hold a quarterback up and they don't blow it dead, and that quarterback completes a pass, especially with like a Patrick Mahomes, especially with the Patrick Mahomes. And Derek Carr, you know, like he didn't get a chance to lobby. You know, and here's the thing that bothers me so much about that call and everybody else has pointed out.

But Chris Jones is 325. He's putting 260 pounds of his body weight. It was a hell of a nice thing to do by him, but he wasn't doing it to be nice. He had the ball in his fucking hand, so it negates, you know, a fumble in a big part of that ball game. That ball game, I mean, if they get that ball before the half and go down and score a touchdown, it's a big swing. So here's another thing, what you were saying that. So are we in the NFL, are they policing, are they basically body shaming like D-Lyman? Because it's like, hey, like, think about it.

Think about when a corner of our safety gets a sack. They land their whole body weight on a quarterback. Are they ever going to call a penalty on that? It's because they're smaller. It's the optics. And it's the, you can still, at me as a safety, I can still crack a quarterback's clavicle if I land on them with all my body weight. But quarterback can get his clavicle cracked outside the pocket, any play.

Anything. Anything. So that's what I'm saying. I think it's just some of these things that's more of the optics looking bad. And it's like, how are you guys like really judging all this on the spot? and is it maybe that they have certain guys that they're like, hey, we're going to watch this, we're going to watch that. Because if it's not that, if they're not giving an explanation, like what's really going on?

Well, here's a deal. It's about money, dude. It's otherwise they'd litigate this everywhere. It's not about safety. It's about money. This is keep, it's about safety for quarterbacks. And like they, they, they said that. Why aren't they protected Mahomes?

Like, Mahomes is one of the, he's one of the premier quarterbacks. It's arbitrary, and I think they also hold certain guys' mobility against them. You know, and inherently that becomes, you know, like a dicey situation because a lot of lawn deer-type guys look like me, right? So, you know, when Lamar's not getting the same protection that, you know, like somebody like Josh Allen, that big strong motherfucker can run and the whole thing. But, you know, there's also to the point, there's a lot of quarterbacks who are even, I told you, I've said this story on the pod before. I broke my rib, tackling Cam Newton, because he fell on me.

Did you flag him? He fell on me, dude. Full body weight. Cam Newton on you. Yeah, I need the 15 there. So I think, you know, like, there's a lot of ramifications of this. One being, the NFL looks disjointed. And they've looked this way over the past decade at different times, you know,

like whether it was DPI getting called at a higher click, whether it was going to call holding more to, they make it up as they go. And, you know, if it's not for prime time, I don't know. know if people get this mad about this game. So we've had two plays in prime time over the past couple weeks that have really dictated the narrative in the NFL. And it's going to be interesting to see because they're going to meet about this next week as owners, I guess, and then as a competition committee in the off season, where are they going to go with this? I have a radical idea, and it's not review. And I know that you think review, Bo. And I know that most people might

think the prevailing thought is to review these bad boys. But I think you got to go backwards and take that, that, you know, body weight part of the rule out. Because that's, that's the one thing we have. We can form, tackle a quarterback. And if guys are starting to play scared in the pocket, it sucks. And eventually if this turns into tag football, not only is it lame, and I'll finally join the group of people who have lamented how soft football has become, because until this point, I've kind of been like, yeah, yeah, go play a football game.

And tell me it's a pillow fight, bro. This is, your, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're Lester Hayses of the world, and yeah, they were bad motherfuckers, but these collisions are huge and they're all over the field. But where it's gotten is now, if in 10 years we're watching the game and it's like tag football in the pocket, I'm going to be mad as a pass rusher because a bunch of guys are going to be like tag, that's a sack. So how's that number going to stack up against my numbers and shit like that?

You're going to be hating on guys. Think about how many practice sacks you had in your career. But legitimately in the NFL, I missed 30 sacks. Because I wasn't a great tackler. I was more of a disruptor than a finisher. I ended up with 70. I could have had a hundo if we were doing tag football. But also too, for a player safety, like all these regulations that they're doing to protect the quarterback,

like realistically at some point, you're starting to put non-safety on the tacklers. Because me as a de-line, me trying to adjust my body not to fall my entire weight on somebody, that means I have to either put my arm and my shoulder at risk, putting it down in an awkward position. where bodies are falling on top of us or I have to try to turn awkwardly not knowing where I'm going and you roll over guys ankles you do a whole bunch of unnatural stuff that I think at the end of the day it just starts making another problem if they're going to be if if they don't really get this under control because just like you said unless you're going to change it to two hand touch or some type of definitive like like tag or whatever it is like how are you going to like how are you going to keep policing this and or like like How are you going to change this rule so everyone understands what's going on and what they're looking for? Ultimately, we have to decide if quarterbacks are football players. That's it, man. Like, you know, like Lamar Jackson bulked up in the offseason.

Maybe some of y'all should hit the fucking gym and just realize that your football players like everybody else. If you're willing to tuck it and run it a couple times a game, you're probably going to get hit hard and tackled. It's not player safety. Player safety would apply to a quarterback anywhere on the field. what it is is you're protecting the money and ultimately you're hurting you know like scoring's down this year so you know hey we got to be a little bit harder on the pass rushers you're protecting the bottom line and i think what they'll find is that people don't you know they love offense but they don't want to see this so um it sucks hopefully something good comes out of it where the reaction

pushes things backwards you know because i'll hey i've been called for low hits when a when an offensive lineman pushed me into a quarterback. My momentum carried him into the quarterback. Maybe the quarterback didn't get out of the way, and I got blamed for it. I'm fine with all that, but the middle of the strike zone should be sacred for NFL players, and body weight shouldn't shouldn't be a, you know, a consideration. But ultimately, too, what I don't like is that, and what fans might not realize, every time this penalty is called, that player is getting fined. And he's getting money taking out of his check. And that really, isn't fair. With something like that happening, the fact that Chris Jones is going to get fined,

maybe they send them a $15,000 fine, you appeal it, and it goes down to 7 G's. Still, why should I have to take 7 Gs out of my paycheck? Because you guys made a judgment call. And at the end of the day, it's a call that like if you go around and look like, it makes me as a player want to go and look at all these calls and be like, why isn't that a penalty? Why isn't that a penalty? But the fact that I have to give money out of my check, I don't think that's fair. And the sacks off the board. So an incentive is fair game. A sack, a $1 million. A strip.

A strip. A fumble. You could lose $5 million over that. I had an incentive that was so fucking big one year. I hit it by one sack, eight and a half. And had I been called, you know, for roughing the passer, I would probably sue the fuck. I'd be livid. I'd be sick.

You know, Chris Jones has plenty of money. He's probably hit his incentives. But, you know, for some guys, this could really wreck their, not just their day. Okay. So the Raiders, man, this, they needed this one. so badly. Okay, this would have been such a, you know, pull yourself out of this, this rut where the court of public opinion is saying you were in the playoffs last year, now you're

one in four. So they've got one win so far. Everybody's mad at Josh McDaniels. You're asking, why is this team that went to the playoffs, fired their interim head coach, they got this shiny new New England guy and he can't win him any fucking ball games. I do want to add into the mix that contextually last year, they won a lot of one score games. I believe, and they were sub-500 going into December. So they went on a run, okay?

All four games, less than 14 points, I think, combined total. I think less than seven facts. I think they've lost less than seven points. So we always know that, like, that can swing your perception of a team, and the team may not be that far off from the team last year or vice versa. But they needed this one badly. I want to bring up the other big comeback that Patrick Mahomes made in the past few years, and people remember this one.

this is the playoff game, the Bill O'Brien and the Texans, they let up a 21-0-0-0-0-0, or maybe it was 24-0, actually, Cowboy, yeah, because we went through this last night. It was 24-0-0. So they're down at the 13-yard line in that game, and they've got this big lead, and they've had some good luck, right?

They've had special teams' luck, they've had turnover luck, and they have a chance to make a decision where they can go up another touchdown or kick the field goal. It's fourth and one on the 13. They lay up, People are, you know, yelling at Bill O'Brien on Twitter.

It's almost like he heard it because a few, you know, minutes later, he gets too aggressive and he fakes a punt, which gets stuffed. Ultimately, they lose that game, right? So last night, I thought it was interesting because Bill O'Brien's a New England guy, Josh McDaniels, New England guy as well. He's not aggressive enough kicking to go up 17-0 on 4th and 2. And foregoes an opportunity to go up 3rd. three touchdowns. Now that's ultimately not enough, but it feels differently as a player when you're

down 21-0, okay, in the first half. Later in the game, to draw a parallel, he's too aggressive by some people's standards going for two. So you have not aggressive enough early, which is the time to be aggressive. There's more possessions at the end of that football game. The later you go in the game, less possessions. You want to be a little bit more, you know, conservative fine. But early in the game when you shouldn't be up because the other teams better objectively. And that was the case for Houston, plus they had luck and for Las Vegas. You have to build a bigger lead. It's like playing the Warriors in basketball. Now, I mean, it's a little bit different, I'm sure, for an NBA head, because, you know, possessions, there's a ton of them and you might want to slow it down and

taking the whole shot clock is useful. But there's no lead that's safe against Patrick Mahomes. I don't care if it's MVS, juju, and a bunch of fucking, you know, like found parts. He's still Patrick Mahomes. I'm here, is what he said. So like that motherfucker's Jason in Friday. You try to score points early and build your lead. And I thought that was interesting. Both of them took the foot off the gas early,

and then they were aggressive late, but it's not enough. And when it comes to that decision late, and I think we're going to talk about analytics in a little bit. I don't hate it. Like I know that I'll probably get killed for this, but I don't hate it because you're taking the context the situation into count and in Kansas City has been moving the ball up and down the field. You're on the road and all that. So I don't know if I would have done it.

So our coach is going to get like ultimately start getting paid less because like if you're just going to follow it's just like, you know, playing Madden. That's like playing Madden and just asking Madden every single play. Like what's the point of playing the game? Like I get it if you do that. But it's just like, yo like you as a coach like that that's your flex like that you're picking plays or you're you're you're coaching the game if you're going to sit there and listen to a computer like at what point does it does it start being like uh but i don't think josh was listening to the computer and this and this is part of the interesting uh discussion about analytics is sometimes people are going to blame analytics for things that aren't analytics driven you know like i think

josh is making that decision independent of analytics which by the way we're split on that decision so interesting there the raiders they have a chance to get back in this thing, and they're going to get back in this thing. The thing I alluded to this in the beginning of this discussion, the Raiders, they weren't as good as maybe we thought last year, and they're not as bad as we think the beginning of this year. They're still working it out between, you know, Devonte and Derek, and they missed the tight end waller for much of last night, so even more reason to go for the points early, right, in hindsight. And then the next six games, look at the teams that they

play the next six games it's i mean it's extremely mid as kids would say it's the texans the sands the jags broncos seahawks and the colts they got to take it one game at a time no question like it's you know you know how it is in a locker room it's hard like you can think about all those games but all it takes is to lose one of those to really crack the locker room to be like damn this fucking season's over or all it takes is losing a game like that on the road to make you closer Hey, remember how that felt, guys, when we were walking out of the stadium and they were throwing bottles at us and they were saying things to us and remember how it felt to blow that lead. Let's never feel like that again. I felt like their backs were against the wall. And like, you know, maybe their backs are even more against the wall. Maybe they're, maybe they've said enough is enough. And maybe this is what, what pushed over the edge. I'll give you a stat that maybe was in McDaniel's mind to make him go on that fourth and fourth down call. The Chiefs are now 12 and 9 with Mahomes as a starting quarterback when they faced a 10 plus point deficit since the start of 2018.

During that stretch, all other quarterbacks are 156 and 873. That's a 1.152 percentage. That's crazy, dude. And as I was, people were saying, don't bet the Kansas City live line down 7-0 or down 14-0, wait until it gets bigger. I bet it as soon as I got it at like minus 170 early in the game when they were down 7-0 and dudes were like, wait. And every time the rate of score, people were looking at their phone like, this can't be.

Like the odds aren't changing. Like you were getting like even money at 17-0. So, you know, these guys are, yeah, this is what they do. Okay, so they're leaving the field. And Devante Adams, who, like, found a Packers fan before the game, and it went viral. And he was like, I almost tweeted, I think Devante Adams is a mensch something without effect before the game. I swear to you, I almost quote tweeted that.

And I'm so glad I did not because I don't think it's true, but because it just would have been like one of those things, like this didn't age well, which is my least favorite thing on the internet to read. I mean, you need to get it, though, right? We're all sitting here as form of, like, okay, let's just be honest about this. Or at least maybe this is how I feel. I don't know if you guys agree, but football's an emotional game. That's why everybody loves it.

You put so much into it as a player. Okay, what he did is wrong. You never ever shove somebody like that, especially not on the field, on your way off, frustration's high, but how many times have you been in a locker room after the game? You're getting questions from media, stupid, pointed questions. They're trying to get a reaction out of you, and you want to just fucking go off. Just shove Les Bowen. Exactly.

I mean, what he did is objectively not good, but I don't think it's out of the realm of, you know, emotion. I don't think he should be crucified over to the extent that he like, I think he'll likely be suspended. I think it's very understandable given the emotional and physical aspects of the game. And right, it's wrong. I know that. But it's like, let's just be honest here.

You're asking these guys to shut it off the moment they leave the football field, and you're barreling out into the, into the locker room and someone's in your way I mean I think I could see I could see you know any one of us in that I don't think I don't think I would have done it yeah me either me either he was completely

I wouldn't do it but I've wanted to that's kind of that's kind of what I'm getting at he was being emotional but I think about it like this first off I think the NFL like for these games there's too many fucking people on the sideline I agree why the players are on the field, I think they should have some sort. I know you need to get pictures and all this shit, but realistically, it's too many people. There's too much access to us. And if you know that

at the end of the game that, like, guys are emotional, things like that, get everyone away until guys get into the locker room. And the fact that it's like this, me as a player, if I catch a pass out of bounds and I run into a sound guy or a video guy, and if I get hurt, can I sue that video guy? Because the fact that now that- I think you'd sue maybe you can't probably. But now that that guy can sue Devante Adams for that, I don't think that's fair. Like I don't think that's fair. It's like, hey, if you're working and you're on the field and you're in the line of fire,

like you got to know that at the end of the day, like if that guy's taking pictures or in the game and Devante Adams catches a touchdown and lands on his head and he gets pictures of it, he's not going to sue them. Listen, the police report things over the top. Okay, with all the problems we have in our criminal justice. system in this country. We don't need to file a police report against Devante Adams for pushing a guy. Is it wrong?

Absolutely. And by the way, Nate, your take of less people on the sidelines coming from a guy who gets press passes to take pictures off of the gym again. I know. I know. That's what I'm saying. It's like you would gladly turn that in. And if I'm a crazy person, I can streak the field.

I can do whatever I want. But I have access. I'm close to these guys, not saying that the people who have, but I'm just saying when I think about it, you're just like, yo, there's a lot of people who actually have access to us as a player while we're down here. I'm with you. Okay, so a couple things framed this discussion. Number one, he's frustrated. The last two plays of the game couldn't go on any worse from effect. He collided with two people that were in his way in the last three minutes of the, or before he exited the field. There was Hunter Renfro who, like, listened, Devante, I guess he's got to release

outside, but Hunter's got a clear for the outside route. So Hunter's got to let him clear. They collide. He's really frustrated. And the play before that on, you know, where they probably get in the field range and win that game, he's got to have that catch. And he knows it. And that wasn't even close to a catch,

okay? Like I saw some Raiders fans. He's got the ball on his left hand the whole fucking time. No, he doesn't. And I know there was some bad calls. There was definitely a hold on Max Crosby, but there was also a hold on Chris Jones late in that game.

Had they lost that ball game, I'm going to want those 10 yards back. There was the field goal thing. That's fine. But there was a turnover that Chris Jones was negated. on that so it can go back and forth either way but he's frustrated leaving the field right and raiders players say that there were racial epithets thrown their way there were bottles thrown at them so like i don't know what kind of headspace he's in right he's he's he's he's he's full tilt

fucking mad and i've lost my temper before but the guy ran in front of him no question probably at worst pretty inconsiderate at best just oblivious or he's under the gun he's got to get somewhere or it's a football reaction and i just left a football game and i know my hands are like well but he pushed him he extended and pushed him and it's ultimately how you deliver this take because this is my my least favorite kind of thing after something like this happens in in the coming hours you get nothing in between he's he's the devil he should go to jail or why are we even talking about him and it's usually like it's unfair to devonte adams he's the victim in this that we're all we're all we're all talking about Devante Adams.

It's been like four hours. People are going to talk about Devante Adams. He's not sitting in a fucking holding cell in Kansas City. He's on a private plane back to Vegas. So it's not like anything bad is happening to Devante Adams by talking about this. But if you want to formulate a take that's balanced, we could acknowledge both things. The guy should be more considerate running in front of him. Devante's mad.

Who knows where his head is? But, and this is the key when you're giving a take, the prevailing take has to go on the back of your tweet. It can't go first. He can't go. Devante's wrong, but the guy can't run in front of him. I saw a lot of guys fumbling over a tweet like that last night.

No, it goes like this. The cameraman could be more considerate. It's chaos down there. He's upset, but Devante Adams is wrong. He's wrong because he collided with him and then extended his arms and pushed the fuck out of this cat.

Okay? It's just the push. He's not a criminal. How about this? At the end of the games, they have someone to put up those little fucking barriers near the tunnel. And until everyone from the team gets into the tunnel,

no one can cross by. Yeah. Problem side. President Nate Collins then. They need a get back guy for the tunnel. Yep, a get back for the tunnel. But I do think it does matter taking into consideration. Like, he did not see the guy until the very last second,

but he's one of the best athletes on the planet. Like, legitimately can get off press against the best players on the planet can high point of football. You can't tell me that in a split second, he can't decide not to extend his arms and push the fuck out of the guy. And here's the thing. The NFL is going to suspend him, but I think they secretly love it. There's no such thing as bad press. Do they, you think, suspend him? No, you think, you think so?

They're talking about suspending him. They're talking about suspending him. I think they do. Or at least find the shit out of him. No, I don't think they. If they do suspend them, they need to change all, like, the sideline regulations. because I think that's going to be silly. If they suspend him, then they need to, yeah, like, no one should be allowed on the sideline.

Because if that's what you guys are worried about, then don't put us in that position. Like, get everyone off the sideline, get everyone away from us. Like, because that's absurd if they do end up suspended. I can see if they want to find. So many sideline dweaves are going to be scared for their life now. They're probably petitioning Roger as we speak. No question. No question.

if you're bright bart today is like if you're talking about Columbus day but not Devonte Adams you're part of the problem you know like shit like that dude so I just hate these discussions man like Twitter is not a real place Twitter is not a real place no but what a dynamite segue Nate you fucking you pro yeah I was driving in today and I was like man I got this segment idea and it's probably probably sucks no it's but actually it turned out to be a pretty good idea because like there's so many great takes on Twitter and And I want to give people credit for their takes, but I also want to discuss them in an organic but orderly way.

And so we can go with retweet or reply. And basically we're going to run through some tweets on Wednesdays. And we're going to either retweet them because we like them or we're going to reply and talk about why we don't. We're going to reply no matter what. But you get the idea. What about quote tweet? We should really, quote, tweet.

Oh, I might quote tweet. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If we want to retweet, you just say, hey, Joe. Just retweet and just move on the next one. If you want to quote tweet them, we can talk about them. Football season brings back many traditions we know and love.

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RG3 said, you never do this to your quarterback. The difference between Washington and the rest of the division is coaching. Daniel Jones has a first-time head coach, and they took the best. They look the best they have in years. The Cowboys have gone undefeated with their backup quarterback. Coaching matters. I just want to say this first off, RG3 is a great follow. He loves capitalizing words in his tweets.

I'm going to quote tweet this because I agree with him. You never do, you never do this to your quarterback. You know, but, but it really doesn't matter after that. Like none of the like why Washington sucks matters. None of, you know, okay. And Kingston's literally quote tweeting in real time. But no, we've got we've got a bunch of stuff in here about Daniel Jones, first year head coaches, the cowboy was going undefeated with the back.

And I understand what Ron Rivera's point would have been had he made it properly and said, we haven't had the continuity here to get Carson Wentz in a groove. but what he did is through Carson under the bus. And when he did it, I watched people's reactions. I thought it would be interesting because people fucking hate Carson. Like, viscerally hate Carson Wentz. I don't hate Carson Wentz, but people hate him. Something about him really bothers people.

And to see people rushing to Carson's defense shows you how bad this is. And Ron Rivera came out. He apologized. He talked to the team in the morning and all that stuff. But he's a smart man. And he knows how sound bites work. he was given ample time after his answer to qualify it. Same thing I just said about giving a take on Devante Adams.

And he knows this. You know, you can lead with the context and finish with the. So ultimately, we need better quarterback play. But when you just go quarterback and you stand there and stare at the pool of reporters, like the message is sent. And as a football player, I think it's below the belt. And I really like Ron. And I thought this was out of character.

because we can't do this the coaches. We can't. You know how many times in my career? I could have gotten up there after the game and been like, yeah, we're playing off the whole fucking day. Like we're not pressing. We're just giving up, you know, five yard outs the whole day. You're asking me why the D-line couldn't get there?

Oh, our corners suck. The coaches are in too much too high, you know, or, hey, you can do it. What? No, you can, you can't, but you can't. You can't throw coaches under the bus. You can't. You know that. You can't throw a coach under the bus.

And when you do, people, are like, you know, hey, you just can't do that. I remember one time in practice, and I'm not going to name the coach, but I was, I was walking from one drill to the next after a loss. And one of the coaches was like, you're too tired to jog or something like that? I was like, I'll start jogging when you stop getting out coach. And that coach did not like that. The coordinator pulled me aside. I was like, we never do that. And I did that in the privacy of our home. You know, had I done that at the podium, like it'd be like all hell broke loose and they probably trade me.

But Ron Rivera can do that to Carson-Wenson. It's bullshit. Even though it's true that quarterback play is a lot of the reason why they're not where they want to be right now. You really said that to a coach? Yeah. Did you feel like that those memes when you get the glasses, the ultimate gangster

means? Yeah, they deal with it. They put the glasses on me. Deal with it. But you know what? Like a shot of truth, it's a coach's favorite thing when it's directed to the players, but when it's directed upstairs, it's It's not my favorite thing. But is Riverboat Ron?

Like, he, he does things differently. He doesn't, he doesn't think like everyone else. Maybe this is like a motivation. So what if Carson wins, this starts picking it up after this? Now, like, does he, does he look like a, like, maybe he lit the fire on him? Maybe he thinks that's what Carson would. Maybe he needs to be embarrassed publicly. Well, I also think, I also think he's getting ready for a Thursday night game where if he loses,

he could be, like, the seat could literally burn his ass. Like, it's. So why wouldn't you be trying every tactic out of the book? But what we're not talking, we're talking about, is it right or is it wrong? Yeah. And to me, it's wrong. Yeah, I'm going with option C. If we're getting back to our retweet or reply, I'm going to favor it that one from the bushes

and just kind of wash that one, monitor that situation. Yeah, I think I'll probably like it also. Okay, okay. Okay, this is good. Retweet or reply number two. We've got Dave Damasek. He responded to a tweet, the minus three podcast. He said, the NFL 2020.

the season that no one enjoyed, except Deshawn Watson, going to be just great when he wins the Super Bowl in February. He posted that with four pictures. Tom Brady, Tua, after that big hit a couple weeks ago, Melvin Gordon,

staring at Russell Wilson and Carson Wentz on the ground. Yeah. That's a great tweet. I'm retweeting that one. Yeah, I'm actually replying with a jiff of Leo on the couch and pointing because it just perfectly encapsulates something I couldn't put into words, which is that this season has bad vibes.

Yeah, it's been a weird one. It really does. It's been weird. We've been talking about this. I was talking about this with somebody's bucks. You know, I hang out with all these bucks guys on here. There's been some bad ball and some weird shit that's happened this year. And it's like, hopefully we can get it squared away down the stretch.

But I am with that tweet. I'm retweeting that bad boy. Yeah, I'm probably going to retweet because the icing on the cake is that I do feel like Deshaun Watson is going to go to the Super Bowl. And the NFL is going to have to deal like, what do you do for marketing? Like they're going to have to deal with all of that. And I have to drop all your massage related sponsors. Or give them a commercial space.

Massage envy, you're going to get the biggest commercial spots. Lean into it. So listen to all that. I've made a list of like shitty things. Like Tua obviously is tough because he was the only, he was one of the only feel-good stories. Bad refing. The bad, bad officiating, which is a constant. Every year there's something different.

Russ, okay, he's in the pictures. Carson and Ron, Dan Campbell, there's nothing but bad vibes about the lions right now. Deshawn Watson, you mentioned it. Scoring is down. Mack Jones limping off looking like he's in like his leg got severed. It's a high ankle. Brady divorce, right? So you have Brady.

I know who knows. James, transverse fracture. Burroughs O line struggles. Rogers is fucking, he's trying to manifest. Tyler are studying. Rams suck. Dude, like, there's so many bad vibe stories in the NFL this year. Hard knocks.

Hard knocks is bad for them now. It keeps that going. And no one wants hard knocks because after they have hard knocks, they don't play well. Oh, yeah, the hard knocks. Detroit. Yeah, is that, well, you know, I think it might be, I don't know if it's a chicken or egg thing. Yeah, it's kind of like the running the ball leads to more victories.

Yeah, like, don't they only put bad, aren't good teams? Like, aren't, don't you have to have a new, head coach and have a losing program in order to qualify for hard knocks. Yes, yes. The programs that are going to, you know, the perennial powerhouse, like you don't see the Kansas City Chiefs on hard knocks. Matt, that was like my Sue Bird stat of every time she threw out a first pitch, the Mariners missed the playoffs.

That was a wild conspiracy theory. Well, I enjoyed. All of this NFL weirdness is lining up for the New York Jets. It does feel it, you know? Is this the year? 1969. It's upside down land, dude. It's both New York teams are good.

I'm loving everything you're saying. Yeah. I'm getting me very honest. We need to do like a feregoat. Yeah. For these bad vibes. Like we need to light some of that same. We really do need to do a shrine.

You know, one player, one storyline at a time. Each pod we're going to do a shrine. I've got prayer candles unless we throw them out. But I can go back and get some more. As a bit, I was going to come in here last week with a sage stick to light it. Just to make sure you have the vibes. Man, you could have done that bit. next week. I was going to do it for Thursday, but I didn't know that. It's just audio.

Yeah, I like stage. I like sage. I like sage. Retweet a reply with field Yates. He tweeted a image of the Bears uniform that they're going to wear on Thursday night against the commanders. It's a debut of their orange alternate helmets. What do we think? Reply, fire emoji, fire emoji, fire emoji, fire emoji, fire emoji. That's what I'm doing. Quote tweet fucking awesome All of these helmets Not all of them

But some of them are really awesome Like that Cardinals helmet Was great Sunday The Eagles have a black helmet Now Giants have their old school helmet This year So it's really cool

I don't love them Jesus Christ If they're I mean if they were playing well I don't know It doesn't really get my dick hard I don't know It's like

Unlocking That's all I got It's like Madden It's like Madden in real life seeing teams like show like make like new helmets kind of you know when you're playing the game that you get to unlock different uniforms and jerseys after like going so far and now that it's happening and you're seeing different helmets it's kind of cool the bear and it just switches things up like like little difference it never never hurt anything the bears like you know

if you throw under 10 passes in a game you unlock an orange helmet but when my when my kid got the old Mario. It was like, oh, on Mario Kart 8, by the way, which isn't the best, the best game ever. Retweet or reply with Bill Simmons. Bill tweeted in 2022, an NFL head coach would jump out of the, out of a four-floor window because analytics say it's faster than taking the stairs. It's pretty far. Reply, does it equal a win if I jump out the window? Right. Exactly. Well, Okay, Bo, go ahead, because I have more questions and answers. I'm replying. It's like when you're in blackjack, right?

You know, you hit on a 12 and you bust and it's like, oh, well, the book says you should have done it. That's a little bit of how I feel about coaches with the analytics. You know, you got a little bit of a fallback, you know? Yeah, and Josh didn't take that out last night. I mean, because the analytics were split on the decision. He could have certainly blamed it on that. But like, I think number one, you get some people get caught in the crossfire of that

guy probably did it for analytics when when in reality he just went with his gut but people applied their their logic which just become so dominant like the way people it's it's it's sometimes the most unnecessary subplot that we've just forced i think twitter has affected the way the NFL is played dude i really do i think twitter and just like think about it it's fucking crazy i really think chatter uh kind of works its way into NFL spaces and i think over the past i don't know know how many years, but this has become a big thing. And now we're kind of at that crossroads. It's not a crossroads. Analytics are important when used correctly, but where we're like maybe a little much analytics. And I think it's going to be interesting over the next couple years

how analytics shape analytics. That might sound like I've been hitting the pen here, but but the way that analytics instruct analytics going forward, right? Because I have questions here. I'm not, I'm not alleging to know anything. I've talked to people in NFL circles. I know who who has strong departments for analytics, like the Eagles have a really strong analytics department. I think they have four people on staff there. That's a big budget allocation for analytics and numbers. Four quants, so four people specifically just doing math all the time.

All day, like human computers. And then in Seattle, I think they just launched an analytics department. It's got one person in it. So there's a delta to use a math word between the people that care and don't. It's not an even playing field. but what's really interesting is I don't know how far back each team are going to to gather their numbers and bow like if you're going back far enough the sample size for people that are actually informing their decisions with numbers it's small and so like the guys

that were doing this 10 years ago maybe they were the most aggressive most brilliant coaches in the NFL and maybe had the best offenses so like hey if you if you do this if you do X, then Y happens. Okay, how does it change as now all these bad teams and bad coaches objectively join the party and they're like, oh, is what we're doing? So now you've got a bunch of bad teams and bad coaches making analytical decisions, regardless of the context surrounding their team or that game and the analytics change over time because the sample size grows. So like, is there a reset? Are you kind of like, and somebody is rolling their eyes at home like this is how statistics work? but maybe it doesn't the NFL.

This is what I want, Chris. I want some analytics on analytics. Let's get some meta analytics in here. Well, think about it, Beau. And maybe I could put this better. But like, now all of a sudden in the past couple years, everybody's doing it. So the sample size changes greatly.

And the people doing it, like, there's some bad teams, there's some bad coaches. What's that going to do in the future for how? Are we updating the sample size every three years? Like, are we keeping it current? Like are we going off of what happened last year? Are you what's your control for yourself? You know, bad teams are going to skew the numbers.

And, uh, and Brandon Staley like, you know, I heard this yesterday from Kyle Van Hoy after the fourth and two decision. He was like, yeah, well, he trusts us and so on and so forth, which I don't know if he means that. I think he probably means that. I know Kyle. Um, Brandon trust the numbers, man. It's not even, it's a cold calculation. It's not about you. It's not about the team. because if you trust the numbers, that's not a declaration on how much you trust your team.

It's just a declaration of how much you trust the numbers. And, you know, even self-scout models, all the statistical models are assuming you're going to replicate your performance over the last five weeks. Things change.

Things change within the game. And these teams are competing against each other, so they're not going to make these models public. Like, those are proprietary that they want to keep to themselves. Right. In some way, it's kind of like

how we look at elections. Like we take the information from the most recent election to mostly project the next one. But we also look at the one before that and the one before that, but don't give them as much statistical value. Like they weight it differently. And so I wonder how much they're weighting their analytics based on, you know, recent. And I'm sure the Eagles are doing it differently than maybe the Seahawks. And that's like another little battle. And there's so much information out there these days.

I mean, in the fucking real world and on the football field, the real battle is figuring out how to apply. it to each individual scenario you know what i mean i think we're all kind of saying the same thing no it's just there's a lot of stuff that's going on behind the scenes and i have no idea how it's working like we we kind of trust analytics like it's this monolith but there's different models even for subscription based like services like ngs or the you know even like the free fourth down decision bought on twitter we talked about that was they thought differently than ngs did about brandon staley's call so like we're just assuming everybody's going off the same sheet and they're not and the way they're weight, you know, the recency of the sample size is different in each program maybe.

The way the numbers are coming out are different because, you know, the sample size grows and bad teams come to the party and bad execution. Yeah, at the end of the day, like, isn't, wouldn't, like, these be the same analytics that they're basically using for, like, Madden, like, simulating a game in a season? Like, at the end of the day. Do you think about becoming a head coach? I mean, like, if it's all doing or try to predict all the same thing, you know, all the same thing, same thing, there's probably just a monetary value on that, on getting that software or whatever

that computer is and finding one person who knows how to understand it and input numbers, because if you're just going to listen to it all the time, like, why can that be a head coach? So I'm probably going to quote tweet this because it's true. Not every NFL coach is jumping out of the fourth floor window because some people we criticize for not being aggressive enough. I just think it's more prevalent and we understand it better. We know it's in the room. and now we're always looking at analytics case in point josh mcdaniels two point conversion not analytics driven but people are mad at numbers last night at midnight and so yeah just it's complicated and we don't understand it i guess what i'm saying is like i don't fucking understand it like i understand

what they are i understand the application but we can't assume everybody's going off the same sheet we don't know how the sheet's going to change over the next couple years because of the sample size we don't know how the staffs are applying the different analytics and they also teams protect their information they know things that we right as you know fans and people that are watching the game don't know. But it is interesting to, you know, the interesting thing about, I mean, we're talking about Twitter here, but like social media, Twitter or fans watching football is they, we all love commenting on the games.

We all love feeling like we know what, you know, what the fuck is going on, what we would do in situations and pretending like we're, you know, head coaches with all, with the access to all the information that they have. They know so much more about their team than we do. And they've been prepping for this game. I mean, that's a. great point though but no i just don't think and i just don't think we have access to the same analytics that you know these multi-million dollar organizations have and it's the one place that we perceive

we have a bulletproof in to talking about the game and shouting down a player or like a football guy everybody can read numbers right anybody can do math retweet or reply with the herd with calling Coward. They shared a video of Sean Payton in studio talking about the now open Carolina Panthers job. Sean Payton said, it's almost a unicorn, the open job with a great quarterback waiting for you to come in and be the foster parent. Oh, he said, wait, I missed the great quarterback part. Wow, sounds like Sean Payton wants that job, huh? He said there's a great quarterback there? He did. It's almost a unicorn. The open job. with a great quarterback waiting for you to come in and be the foster parent. I think his language is interesting there because at the time he would take this job, Baker Mayfield and Sam Darno

it could be free agents. So like he's got somebody in mind as he watches Carolina. He plays at Ohio State right now. Yeah, exactly. He's got somebody at mine that he's like, that's a great quarterback. I think this is an attractive job. I really do. And I'll point out the number one reason here. The number one reason is that division is an unknown commodity in the next couple years think about this brady's 45 there's no way if i'm brady i'm like yeah let me run it back after this unless you want out and finish somewhere else uh you now you don't have you're not married you're like fuck i'll play till i'm 50 like nothing to worry about but like i don't think Tampa is something is is a place he's excited about being over the next two to three years like this year has been tough sledding for him

unless they win a super bowl or something like that and then he might run right off in the sunset But I don't see Brady being an impediment over the next three to five years in Tampa. I don't see who the quarterback is down in New Orleans. I don't know who the quarterback is in Atlanta, although they've made stride. So you're entering a power vacuum that you could occupy with a win now defense, which is big for a younger QB. Look at QBs historically, even not elite ones like Mark Sanchez. Look what you can do with a young quarterback can get the job done and a win now defense.

Also, got a lot of people you can trade away and shed 11 million in cap money and grab some assets for a DJ Moore or CMC who's like 26 now and has a lot of injuries. Like now would be the time. And you don't have a three or six next year in the draft, but you've got picks and you're going to have a high one. So I think it's a very attractive job. Yeah, my gut reaction, you're pretty convincing, Chris, because my gut reaction, I thought there was a stupid thing that Sean Payton said. but talking about it talking about it a little more, I actually am kind of with you.

You kind of won me over. That's my job. That's my job. I'm just going to retweet that one. I kind of like that. So you're going to retweet my quote tweet. I'm going to retweet your quote tweet. Okay, cool.

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We've got two more tweets that aren't technically a retweeter reply. We just want you. There are more questions that we want to hit you an answer from. So Ricky Jervais tweeted, which three pairs would you eradicate from the world? television and dysentery, alcohol and famine, pets and AIDS, comedy and terrorism, nonces and books, war and medicine, serial killers, and holidays. Do we have computers still? Like, televisions are going away anyway. You're right about that. So, like, that's like a no issue.

We could probably eradicate. No, I got some good TV shows out here that I'm watching Dr. Fax. You can't get rid of television in the middle of rings of power. I can't get rid of medicine. I'm just not really willing to part ways with medicine. You know, I'm not ready to die from polio. Yeah, but war. I know. War and medicine, that's a power one.

Serial killers and holidays. Yeah, I mean, like holidays. Well, if you get rid of war, then you don't need medicine. Not true. You know? Not true. That's not true. Objectively not true.

I needed medicine two nights ago. I didn't just get back from Vietnam, dude. I had a cough. medicine for dysentery, bro. And AIDS. It's gone, though. We're television. Okay, okay, okay, okay.

Okay, pets. Yeah, I don't need to own an animal. I mean, my bulldog is awesome. My lab is getting there. Shout out to Willie. But, like, AIDS is terrible. Pets and AIDS, I agree with you, Chris. All right, alcohol famine, serial killers and holidays.

And then the third one for me will probably be television and dysentery. those are going to be my three i'm going to get rid of serial killers and holidays i'm going to be i'm going to get rid of pets and aids and i'm going to get rid of alcohol and famine because what what's going on here is ricky jervaise is trying to is trying to mind fuck me into saying that me getting drunk once a week is more important than people starving and i'm not going to do that agreed chris so i'm going to alcohol famine pets and aids Okay. Nances and books?

I could noodle on this one all night. Yeah. Yeah, that's what she said. CNBC tweeted, two-time Oscar winner, Tom Hanks says he's made four pretty good movies in his 40-year career. What are those four movies?

Easy. Knowing Tom Hanks's filmography. Okay, toy story count? I was just about to say, Toy Story 1 through 4. Game over. Tom Hanks. I mean,

here's my Tom Hanks. I love Tom Hanks. He has made some shitty movies that he gets a pass for. Okay. Talk to it. Cloud Atlas? You ever seen Cloud Atlas?

No. It's actually good. Okay. It's not, it's not Forrest Gump, okay? But Forrest Gump's been talked about in this podcast. Forrest Gump is in the crosshairs, man.

Have you seen the new Elvis movie? Tom Hanks made some perplexed. Lexing choices in that one. I'm not watching the Elvis movie. I liked it. Actually, I liked it. But Tom Hanks was probably the worst part of that Austin Baller killed it.

I thought, I don't know. Check it out. But Tom Hanks was kind of weird in that movie. You're right. I'm kind of scrolling down. There's a lot of these Tom Hanks movies that I'm like, oh.

But I'm a big castaway guy. It has to be Woody. Bro, it has to be Woody playing Toy Story. Bro. You might have a case here, dude. Rote it for this. No, saving part of Ryan's awesome. Apollo 13, great movie.

Apollo 13, great. Yeah, there's some good movies here. The Green Mile? Great movie. Sully just gives me anxiety. Charlie, Joe versus the Volcano's low-key, a good movie.

Philadelphia is kind of heavy. Don't think I'm just going to curl up to Philadelphia anytime soon, so. Yeah, but I mean, we eliminated AIDS. We did, you're right. Great callback. Might have to keep that just for, just like callback.

So castaway. I'm going castaway, toy story, Forrest Gump. Like, Forrest Gump is, it's just a classic. You can't, you have to. It's synonymous with Tom Hanks. Okay, okay. He also played about... Charlie Wilson's War.

Terminal is a great movie. He also played like seven characters in the Polar Express. Howie Long is he made the extended cut of that thing you do. He was supposed to be Tom Hanks' boyfriend or something like that? No. He wasn't gay in the movie? No, I don't think so. My dad wasn't gay in the movie. No, it's a good, it's a good deleted scene.

What was he doing? He's just like a big jack. You've seen the deleted scene? Yeah. I had a whole like best deleted scenes in movie history segment that I was working on, but he's up there. It's very good. Okay. But they're just business partners.

Maybe I'm a misinterpreted partner. Kind of, kind of sucked. You sure you weren't picking up what they were putting down? I got to ask my dad. I think he was supposed to be gay in that thing you do. This fucker's been in some good movie Catch me if you can Yeah

One of the best holiday movies there ever is It's a weird thing Tom Hanks's Discography here I know Big is kind of a fucked up movie If you think about it Let's talk about this

Kind of an immature character And he's banging a girl in that movie Like a woman Imagine if the roles were a little bit reversed We still talking Tom Hanks Imagine if the gender roles are reversed and big. He's getting his ass canceled. Yeah, you know what?

Well? Yeah. You're pretty good on Tom Hanks' stuff. I've watched a lot of movies, dude. That's why I'm not trying to eliminate television. Cuts Clothing has perfected the art and science of men's shirts, so you can throw one on and look great without ever thinking twice about it.

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Let's jump there. Chatsworth asks, you're on a desert island. You get one album, one board game, and one Hall of Fame athlete to play with. Who were you choosing? Okay. First things first. Am I understanding the question correctly? You're basically in an island that you're stuck.

That's right. But you're waiting. It's cast away. It's cast away if you get to bring an album and a friend who is in the Hall of Fame of any sport and a board game. So we get a board game, an album, and a Hall of Famer in any sport to, you know, Michael Phelps would be a cheat code here, but I'm not going to pick Michael Phelps because he could just swim everywhere and get.

Is he a Hall of Famer? He's there's a wing just for him and in the swimming hall of fame. But I when they say deserted island a lot of times, I'm like, well, deserted or desert? Because desert implies no vegetation, nothing you can gather, hunt for. So I'm going to go with their stuff on the island. Okay. Uh, is this Hall of Famer in their prime?

Pern age. This pick a hall of famer. Well, I can't because I was thinking about Harold. Carmichael and he's six foot eighters are always in their prime bro no they're not because harold's it's like 60 70 years old man like i could be here a while you know what i mean like also i want harold car michael the guy was catching high pointing the ball for jaws and shit like so i'm ready i'm going i'll tell you i have mine too hold on because this is i put a lot of thought into this while Reed was in the bathroom.

I want Tim Duncan. He's literally from the islands. He's how tall? He's 6.11. So spearfishing's going to be a breeze. Spear fishing, fin to be a breeze. And he's not going to talk your ear off. He's cool.

He's cool as fuck. He probably showed up in a giant pair of jeans. I can fashion those into something to survive with. Like a wind sale. Yeah. I can live off coconuts, man. he's just going to reach up there and grab those motherfuckers dude so i think tall fun to play scatigories with not technically a board game but it's also not technically

a desert island and then um yeah dark side of the moon i can't go without dark side of the moon all right i'm going well dude i was going to say god damn it um i'm going serena williams obviously um he's going my route because you want a trick there but i'm married and i love my wife Serena Williams, she can literally do it all. And I'm so attracted to her, which is such a good thing. Board games, big sellers of Katanga. I can't get enough of it. You know, playing with Serena has always been in pleasure.

I was going to say Darkson and Moon too, Chris, but I got to pivot. Let me think about that. Fax, if you want to, if you want to take, I'll go. I'll be more wholesome. I'm going Monopoly. And I am picking my sister, Alicia Collins. because she is being inducted into her college's Hall of Fame next month, Stonehill, Skyhawks, Basketball, D2 Women's Hall of Fame. So shout out to Alicia Collins.

Well, here's the deal. I didn't want to pick my dad because I thought it would be kind of a cheat. No, I mean, why not? I mean, this is Hall of Fame. Yeah, I guess I could pick my dad. I could have picked, yeah, I could pick my pop's. I tried to make an interesting plus the coconuts and the spearfishing. I should have picked your dad

I'm going I'm going up there's a lot of people screaming at their stereo right now is that how you listen to podcast I'm going and I'm going album I'm going I'm going life in times volume three Sean Carter JZ album

it's going to be a beautiful sunset you're going to be listening to like okay I'm going random access memories daft punk me and Serena just fucking viving on the island That's good. Vibing.

N.P. Sully Sullivan asks, what fast food restaurant would you rob if you could be Jack Jones for a day? This is a call back to Jack Jones's collegiate career at USC. He robbed a Panda Express. You know what I said?

When I heard this, he robbed a Panda Express? I was kind of wondering. I was like, you know, Bill's like, Oh, he's a pretty fucking good player. He decided to rob a fucking Panda Express. That's how he fell to the fourth round, dude.

This is the guy for the Patriots who has a bunch of picks already, and people were like, how did he slide? It's because he robbed a Panda Express. I just learned this. Times is hard. I'm going to rob a, like, a KFC Long John Silver's combo. Oh, my God. Oh, yeah.

Oh, way. Just go in the rest stops that have, like, four fast food restaurants. hit them all. Yeah. But like, you know, I feel like a long way's right there. But I think about Long John Silvers,

you could go in there and they can literally have like 75 bucks in the register. And I thought I had a good point. I thought we were talking about robbing food. Okay. He's taking. So you want to eat Long John Silvers? Are you going to get them? Yeah, on my island, bro.

I'm eating that shit on the island with Serena. And, uh, and like, you know how sometimes they have like A&W root beer combined with like fucking long John Silver. I'm probably one of those. You're taking the frozen stuff to cook later. I'm thinking about money. He's thinking about fucking tendies.

Yeah. I want to run away with some fish sticks, bro. Bro, the guy likes fish sticks. Honestly, he's crazy. You're going to love the deserted island. But you picked the most mid-fast food places, and you were after the fucking food, man. Yeah, well, you know that you can walk in

and try to rob a long John Silverer's just like, all right, here you go. No repercussions. Well, then maybe my idea is not so good because I was thinking Arby's because people tell me nobody's in those motherfuckers. I wouldn't know. I always dine out, not in. But like, nobody's in the Arby's. Oh, yeah.

We're going to. I'm going for like a chick filet then, you know? If I want that straight cash on me or. I don't know if a chick filet on a Sunday. Or everybody's at church. I'm robbing the cash register. I'm going. I'm robbing.

I'm robin Popeyes after they dropped a chicken sandwich. which yeah that's true there was a lot of money there was a lot but oh mcdonald's man because you can dress his fucking ronald think about that isn't the hamburger you can dress hamburger yeah all the guys not face paint and shit like they're like people are like oh look the kids are going crazy and everything and everybody's yelling and then you lean over in your hamburgler mask you're like give me the fucking money and like nobody knows what's going on everybody's like oh they're they're entertainers Wallace, would you rather be a groomsman or be invited as a guest to the wedding?

Man, easy. Be invited. Be invited. I was just a groomsman a couple of times and it's fun, but it's just too much responsibility. And depending on the bride and like the groom of the wedding, it's just a lot of pressure that you can only fuck shit up. Like no one really cares about you and really there's a lot of pressure on you like as a groom groomsman to like fuck things up.

So I think I would rather just enjoy myself, get drunk, not have any responsibilities to show up because when you're a guess, that's what you have to do. You just have to show up and get drunk and be nice to the bride and groom. No, I think I think you're right. But I want to hear what Bo has to say too. So before I give you my take. here's the thing i i want the spotlight i'm low-key but hurt if i'm not made at groomsmen at weddings but then you do like three or four and you're like fuck this and it's exactly what you're saying facts

it gets old after a while but but then you're sitting in the in the you know then you're just watching it you don't have any you don't have any behind the scenes it's fun to get that behind-the-scenes wedding drama that you can get when you're a groomsman you know so here are the pros and cons here are the pros and cons bo uh pros ready-made sex if you're like a good-looking single guy and there's like a single gal on the other side of the deal like you have a it's an alley you that's a movie thing that's a movie thing it's an alley you for a hookup man that's a movie thing usually on the other side you usually have a date still and the other side she usually has a date still like in you're probably right about that but in movies everybody's

single and shit and people fall in love at wedding so that that's my only experience as a single guy is through the lens of a guy in a movie. And there's always some chick on the other side of the bride. It's like perfect. Yeah. So that's a pro. I guess not a pro. So this supports my,

I'm with you. Hot bridesmaids. Okay, well, that's also like the same thing. And then, oh, you got to stand it,

you got to stand up during the wedding. A lot of people that think that's a bad thing. I think it's a good thing. Because you get real stiff at this age sitting. You want to stand. Dude, once I broke a chair at Robert Quinn's wedding. Why would happen?

I was at a wedding recently. and one of my good friends that I grew up with, we were groomsmen together, and we got pretty hammered the night before, and the wedding planner told us plenty of times. What's the one thing you can't do while you're standing for a long time? Lock your knees. Do not lock your knees.

Oh, you did it. Not me. My friend did. And on the peel out of when all the groomsmen were supposed to walk to get to the front row, our buddy was halfway into passing out. and like while walking out, walk straight into the wall.

And like one of our other groomsmen had to grab him and slide out this side door like really smoothly. But it was like a scary instance. Damn, dude. But it's like it was one of those things where like we laughed about it. But like the lady said it like four or five times. We were like, she's like, no, like you guys are laughing, but she's like, don't lock your knees.

Like you guys are going to be standing for like 10 minutes. And like it's easy to forget about it. but don't do it so so standing at the thing i think is still a positive just do it the right way and then cons um bachelor party big con at this age especially i don't know bow you're like you're you're you live in florida bro like i'm bored dude i need that single like you're good that's game day bow i don't say that say that again i did it for you man you're good looking and then so you go you go out on a bachelor party at this age it's so fucking you only get so many trips as a dude I don't like passes, hall passes from your wife.

You don't want to go to fucking Atlantic City with 14 dudes and button downs that you don't know and have to plan shit and like just be annoyed by half the people like, no, cons badge a party, cons rehearsal dinner. Con's rehearsal dinner, huge con. Cons, you're not the best man and you're close. So that kind of hurts people, I think. Both sounds like one of those people. You have to get close to the other guys. And then you got to go to like men's warehouse, which. I like.

I like going to men's warehouse. I don't like having to put on clothes that don't fit me well. You know, they're like, oh, no. That's another thing. Yeah,

as a big guy when they send you the suit, you're like, I couldn't even, I couldn't even, the suits we had rented, I couldn't even dance, like fully like I wanted to. Oh,

that's the worst part. I thought I've ripped a lot of pants. See, I was so scared to rip my, my rental pants. Bro, but here's what's the worst part. You said dance.

It reminded me, here's the absolute worst part of being a groomsman, especially at a black, wedding, which I love black weddings. This is my favorite thing ever. But the fact I would rather spectate than have to have an entrance dance. I got no rhythm, which I don't.

Spotlight is the one time for white guys. Like, you can dance with no rhythm and like everyone loves it. I know, but it's still, it feels like I'm running out of the tunnel for a game, dude. Like honestly, dude, I'm telling you. And I nailed it at Clint's wedding, bro. Like, everybody fucking cheered. And we're like so into it. But it's terror-inducing, man.

And I'm looking over and the chicks just like grooving. And I'm just like, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. It's terrible. Oak 5. If you didn't know Macon, what would you say his profession is? Dr. Kavorkian. I don't, I feel like you guys are.

Legitimately, somebody in a state where they let you die. on purpose. It's like... I don't know making as well as you guys. So like... Euthanasia is what I'm talking about. I would say train conductor. What about like an...

Like an actuary? Is that a thing? Like an actuary? An actuary. An actuary. He's just crunching numbers or something. I don't know. Amtrak.

Train conductor. What the fuck is an actuary? An actuary is somebody that calculates like... Yeah, with a hat and shit. Yep. Yeah, actuary. It's so funny. you said Dr. Kavorkin because my number one answer was mortician.

Definitely something that has to do with death. And then I got wedding planner, flight attendant. I just am going to say that. Hair stylist and actor. I was going to say, I can see him being a flight attendant. Or actually, I can see, I could see him working like being the head of, like, complaints for like an airline. Yeah, for like an airline or someone big like that.

If you just grow some facial hair, I could see him being a whole host of things. All of them is decent. He had a beard. He looked fucking cool as shit. I still think he looks cool. I'm just saying that look kind of narrows the, you know, the career. He's shaved, you know, he's got a nice haircut, like. Good looking dude.

Just grow the beard out a little bit. You could be a crab fisherman or a fucking hard line work. A talent, a talent manager for like child. He probably would be a good PI. Yeah, he could be a stunt double for Mr. Bees Oh my God, he could. Yeah, that's very sure. Yep.

Mr. Bees does a lot of videos where they probably can use stunt doubles and stand-ins, and he could probably make good money doing that. All right. Merry, fuck, kill. Breakfast, lunch, or dinner. Killing lunch. Killing lunch. Murdering lunch immediately.

Just driving the fucking car back and forth over lunches dead body in my driveway. I think I'm agreeing with you. I hate lunch, dude. I hate lunch. Lunch is the way people deliver some bad news or fucking ask you for something enormous. Like, let's go to lunch. Having caught up in a while,

why don't we do lunch, which is worse. If you're going to, you know, if you're going to solicit me for something, just do it in five minutes. I don't need to sit, read the menu,

fucking order a sandwich. out of the office for an hour. That's my thing is I'm not a, you know. You're not at like a nine to five office guys. Well, I was a lifetime football player. So there was never like I'm going to Hamilton's today for lunch. Like one of the cafeteria. So and you know me when I work here.

I don't even eat lunch a lot of days. I skip lunch. Or you scarf it down in like two seconds. Yeah. So yeah, breakfast is fine. We'll marry. Who, Marion? Dinner.

I think I'm marrying breakfast. Yeah, me too. Breakfast. Breakfast is more. breakfast is a more is more versatile i think you can eat breakfast whenever i can eat dinner whenever i got into dinner for breakfast no dude i swear to god i have like chicken and mashed potatoes for breakfast i mean you can but are breakfast for dinner is way better than dinner for breakfast i don't care dude i'm on a floating meal schedule dude i'm like i am not i'm meals don't have profiles for me i don't see

meal profiles. You know, breakfast, I legitimately, I get like food shipped, like ready made shit. And I'll, I'll have meatloaf for breakfast. Who the fuck cares? Kind of a weather food, but I mean, like, I'll have a cool, or cold weather food. Yeah. I'm fucking dinner. Yeah, I'm marrying dinner.

I'm fucking dinner today. I want to fuck dinner every day. Yeah. Yeah, so I'm marrying it. Is that what you do when you're married? Something you fuck it every day Well I mean like he shoot for the stars You get the moon

You shoot for the stars You land amongst the mashed potatoes and meatlobe And you make love to dinner So With great respect So so so little housekeeping here Bo you got some housekeeping I know you're playing you were playing a little pickleball

Oh I got a lot I want to talk about Chris Played some pickleball this afternoon with me My buddy Ryan Griffin who's quarterback for the bucks are their friend Allen and then Rob Grancowski Gronk said if I won he would come on the pod Went two and two we played for like two hours

It's 90 fucking degrees in Tampa Sweated out a lot but Long story short I said we talked to him a little bit He said he'd come out at some point That's what I'm talking about Yeah I'm out here working for the pod Chris And then the other thing is I got this cactus Wait did you win

You said two and two like you put it out there You must have lost Tie goes to old teammates no you know there are some wins in there in my defense my partner you know we played some dubs but i was the highest i was the highest uh handicapped would i like would i like pickleball though i don't even know how it works like small you'd like it you'd like it's more like ping pong in my mind but it's kind of blown up a little bit it's there's some nice courts on here it's like it's like you're softball bro it's like the softball version it's you know it's like yeah i think

lebron kreman daren and draymond green just purchased it's a team. I know. I know. Dude, all these awesome NBA players are taking all the white guy pastimes, you know, like, like a sipping Merlot on the barbershop. LeBahn's got that now. He's got pickleball. Like, what's next? Let's do a green light pickleball team. I call team captain right here. Okay, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool. Yeah, yeah. So, okay, pickleball is cool. We got that. Gronk might come on the show. That's great. Yep. The cactus, I warned you. I said, I don't think this makes the cut, but you know, you really want to talk about this cactus.

Go right ahead. It's watering day. I'm soaking it. You see it back here? Beautiful cactus. Thing of a name. Polly. Kind of like Polly the cactus.

Polly. Yeah, that's Polly. Yeah. Along came Polly. Here we are right here. Okay. I don't have a clever name for the cactus. I'll come back to you.

Do you want to talk? You want to send a well wishes to our gal? Yeah. Yeah. And then one other thing that I got is dear, dear friend of mine, Adriana Chechich. It's tragically injured. She's an actress. One of my personal favorites.

She broke her back, jumping into a foam pit at TwitchCon, which is surprising because, you know, she's had her back blown out a lot. Okay. All right. I don't know who this is, but I think you're being a little bit mean-spirited. I don't know anything about this fine woman, but you, you, this sounds like you're making light of her injuries. The doctor said I need a backiotomy. Yeah. final

but yeah in all seriousness I watch that video and it was I've seen a lot of her videos that was one of the harder ones to watch which is really saying something

but Is it? Anyway it sucks I think the others have good retention rates yeah so you know

sit down quiet night at home and you know I'm wishing her the best as well I have no idea she is but I'm wishing her the best as well Nate you want to wish her the best I wish her the best

yeah And when she gets on her, when she gets well, she can come up on the show. Yeah, let's send her a care package. We really should have some art of gel. Like,

you know, some shit like that. I don't know what else. Like maybe. Some bengay or like a lumbar spine support. Yeah. One of those. One of those back massagers,

you know, like one of the bag massage. Your closest, your closest sharper image probably has about 50 different things for your lower back. I'm pretty sure like this gal has some back massagers laying around that maybe, you know, like that she can use for her back. Oh, yeah.

So anyways, we wish her the best. Um, friend of the pod. If Beau has anything to do with it pretty soon. Okay. So that concludes our Wednesday. But we also have a David Vibora podcast dropping later today. Double drop Wednesday. Um, as I mentioned in the open, um, um, um, David and I played in St. Louis for a few years, and he was quote unquote Mr. Irrelevant. I was the first pick for the Rams. He was the last pick, and we became really tight. Awesome dude, a reminder to check that out later in the day.

We talk about an hour, about a whole host of stuff, including ayahuasca. He's done ayahuasca. And then we've got Amazon Amp this Thursday, 430. Read, do I have to know anything else? about Amazon AMP if I want to consume that content. We're on the app. So you're going to go to the store,

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