Green Light with Chris Long - Ben Solak! Jordan Palmer! NFL Draft, QB Training & Best Edge Rushers

Episode Date: April 20, 2023

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They are all up to date on the NFL draft and they're going to download us, courtesy of Miller Light. With Ben, we're going to talk all positions, the risers, the studs, the blue chips, and even some sleepers. We're going to go through edge guys. Is it Will Anderson? Is it Tyree Wilson? Which O. Lyman stands out the most?

And which teams might want to go wide receiver this year? With Jordan Palmer, it is all quarterbacks. We're going to get into the top guys in this year's NFL draft. Jordan's going to talk to us about quarterback mechanics, how he coaches his quarterbacks, and we even get into some Traylants and Mack Jones season outlooks. That'll be the Miller Light draft segment on the first half of the show, and then we're going to end with a fun or read around the world with Chris, Dr. Fax, and Kyle. We're covering a few different stories this week, and it's a Greenlight Softball Update.

Y'all please enjoy. We will be back on Tuesday. Happy 420, all you fucking nerds out there. Spring. Yeah, get your fucking tie-dye shirt on. They're starting. Yeah. Welcome to drug use.

We say no, too. Drugs. Actually, shout out to Coach Miller. Still coaching. Okay, Coach Miller was our little league coach for the Elks. Chris Miller, legend. First guy ever saw eat a whole bag of Levi Garrett in one handful. Buddy, he was a machine, dude.

Cherrys. That little pouch with the wagon. It's a wagon on the side of it. I don't know. It was like a white bag with green. It was like green on it. No, it's a tan pouch. You're thinking of red man,

which you really shouldn't call that anymore. Commanders. Yeah. That's what we call. Commander Chaw. So, anyways, Chris Miller was the man. He was one of the best coaches

in all seriousness I ever had and he's still coaching at McIntyre Little League. And we used to break it down to on three. It was one of these hybrid breakdown. He'd say, what do you say no to? Drug.

All a bunch of 12-year-old in unison. Would scream. Loud as fuck. Drugs! And it made sense. You know what? And to this day, I've said no to drugs.

So anyways, happy 420, everybody. Happy 420. I talked to a guy that day. He was like, oh, I'm taking off work. I'm like, oh, cool. Grow up.

I smoke weed after work. All right, so here we go. We got layup line and we got hello. We're still sticking to that, the basic tenets, the four Fs of our podcast. Somebody give me a hello. Hello! I'm saying hello to Paradise Cove. It's in Malibu, Kyle, and I have found the place.

You know, well, you're not married. You are married, but some of you in here aren't married. Okay. Some of you at home might not be married. I am a guy that thinks about the worst case scenario. Like, hey, if my family ever just up and left me. Yeah. You know, and said, hey, this guy's no good anymore.

Which would be reasonable. What a great way to spend your time. No, no, no. Yeah. Or sometimes you think about what would I do if I didn't have a family? Where would I live? Where would I be in a van down by the river? Sometimes I feel that way.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay. I got that. I would be in Paradise Cove. Okay. In Malibu. It's a, it's a, trailer park, but the houses cost like $5 million.

You know, I've heard of this. Well, you actually, you don't actually buy the, you buy the physical trailer. You don't own the land. You rent the land for like three, four grand a month, right? And like people like Stevie Nix back there doing blow. I don't know, George Clooney might be back there. There's some like real names that have lived in Paradise. Nicky Rourke back there pumping his penis.

What is that how you imagine? My imagination. What? A leather bag back there, like just doing abs at the volleyball court, bumping his wiener up for the speedo, dude. If I was 80, how old is Mickey Roark at this point? How long has that guy been in the sun? I don't know.

Let's get up Mickey Roark. Look at this guy. Oh, my God. Now, he definitely would be a Paradise Cove kind of guy. Pumping it up, pumping it up, up in the bag, getting it ready for the springtime. Warming up. You don't want to get hurt out there. He's 70 years old.

He probably lives in Paradise Cove. that's where I would live. I would live in Paradise Cove and I would be a fucking weirdo. Yeah. It's just the only thing different now is I live in Charlottesnees. But yeah, so hello to Paradise Cove.

It looks awesome. That's a great concept. Kyle, there are two. And like a really high-end trailer park. There's two trailers for sale, Kyle. Yeah? You want to go in? How much is one?

Like five. Yeah, no. What the hell? He said there's two for sale. No, we could, both have them. Yeah. Just in case our families, you know?

Is it close to the water? Yeah. Yeah, it's right on the cliff. Yeah, it's paradise. You look out over the Pacific, one of the best surfing spots on the whole coast there, right outside the trailer park. Have you ever seen the bonita rock?

But their houses, and they're not trailers. The trailers. Look it up. You have a phone. Well, I don't want to mess the thing up that we're about to do. So trailers near the-

picture. So trailers near the water? Show them a picture. Trailers near the water, that's a good idea. It's a great idea. Yeah, because you can get out. Do they turn it?

Do they turn into boats? When the fucking climate changes and the coastline moves in. Move up the hill. 70 yards. You don't own the land. It's just a trailer. I mean, that's fabulous. Look at that, dude.

It's like trailer park boys. Like paradise, dude. Little tiny house. I would love to live in a tiny house. No worries. Yeah, but also like, think about a lifestyle where you got all your neighbors right there. Everybody's chill. Yeah, it's like grilling.

Greg's grilling out tonight. We're going over there. Chicken thighs. I can smell it. Kevin Bacon's getting high on the porch. Kevin Bacon's got his electric vehicle. Yeah. Anyways.

You know? Yeah. He's in the commercials, right? That's him? Yeah. Okay. I thought that was his wife, but it's his daughter.

And that's his real daughter? Real life daughter. Kevin Bacon. It's more about Kevin Bacon looks great. He looks awesome. And also I heard him on smart list. Makes me want to buy an electric. Which is a podcast.

How the guy is like a mensch. He's awesome. Yeah. Like, You just get a man crush on the guy. He's fucking solid dude. It looks great. Whatever he's doing, I need to do that.

Okay, so we're going to do layup line now. We just taught you guys this game, but we're going to do a community layup line. Each contestant gets to shuffle. They're like songs. Bryce. Okay? And then you're going to pick which one you want to be the representative,

and then read after hearing all of our submissions. says that's our layup line song. So I'm going to open my phone and I'm going to press next. Yep. Okay. The first one is Summer Days featuring Macklemore. It's by Martin Garrick's. It comes McElmore.

But does he have a verse? He does. He's almost disqualified. Next. Next song. I don't like Maclemore. Oh, it's still me. Okay, next.

This is Disney Pixar Up Married Life. Michael Giacino. I think this is off my Frankie playlist. Okay, go ahead. Next. Wish you were here. Yeah,

incubus. I could tell off the one. Those are my three. Read. And you go. Not too embarrassing. No, those are good.

One of them fits the vibe, the house music vibe from our last show. This is pressure. Yeah, I don't like you guys knowing like what kind of music I'm listening to. Okay. First one up is

Slot me out. Slut me out. Slut me out. Slot me out. An L.E. Chopper. Next one is Blackout, Joyner Lucas, featuring Future. Okay.

Gotta be a banger. Huh? Okay. If it's got Future in it. One day we'll be straight, though. Next. Okay. And last one is Honeybun.

Honey bun. By Cuevo. Okay. Cuevo, Honeybun. Cuevo. Okay. Honey bun. Fallen rain, Link Ray.

Okay, fine, not going to be my submission. Catfish John, Jerry Garcia band. That could be it. Moving on. Merle Haggard. Jamming gears has got to be a fever. Cause men become addicted to the grind. Very crisp picks.

Big wheels. Roll. A great sound. You guys each, in my mind, I won't give it up, but you guys each have a very strong... I'll go Catfish, John. I'm going to play to the judges. Okay.

Jerry Garcia, band. Nate. Of those three. It's not going to matter. I'm going to go Honeybun, Cuevo. Okay. So we have to pick one to represent. Represent.

I really like the Incubis song, but if we're going... No, out of yours. Yeah. And then he gets to pick. I had an incubus was one of mine. Oh. No, I know. So, yeah.

We're good. We're good. I also do. I'm going to do Martin Garex. It's a nice summer song, spring summer. You know, that was a great summer song. Please don't put McClmore on Layup Line. But we would have had a different winner had Nate picked a different song.

Blot me out? No. Joyner Lucas. Oh, yeah, who you like. That's my favorite of those nine, but we're doing catfish, John. Okay. I should have known Crunchy. You do me, oh.

Here goes Benjamin Solac, and then we'll be joined by Jordan Palmer. Miller Light draft segment with Benjamin Solac and Jordan Palmer, two of the best and brightest when it comes to the players that are going to be getting shipped off to their new cities this week. Stick around for read around the world. The NFL drafts coming up. Have you all been keeping up with the potential prospects? Did the results of the combine change your mind?

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He said, good as draft season. Try not to let the takes drive me too crazy. So that begs the question, Ben, what take is driving you the craziest right now? Oh, brother. A lot of options. Oh, brother. I got love for Chris Sims. But when Will Anderson is ranked the fifth edge, I go a little stir crazy for an hour.

I had to get up and take a lap. I had to walk around the house a little bit. Put the phone down, not allowed to tweet for a second. I put a moratorium on new draft takes out about a couple weeks ago. I just tweeted out. No more new take. no more new opinions. If you haven't watched the guy yet, you're not allowed to watch him.

I can't. The draft process is too long, and we're at the point where we're just now saying stuff to fill the air, fill the space. No more new draft takes. Well, who the hell did he have like one through four? Do you remember? I can find it real quick. Yeah, I think you probably stopped once you heard that.

You probably checked. I know he had Tyree Wilson above him. He had Lucas Van Ness above him, Nolan Smith, and then Will McDonald, the Iowa State kid. And then Anderson is number five. Wow. Okay. Well, let's start there. Let's start with the edge guys because this isn't going to bother you as much. But I have been watching tape. Now, albeit I watched 22 tape. Now, I know the Will Anderson 2021 tape is otherworldly from what I hear. I mean, I've seen them on TV, but to watch end zone tapes a different thing. I think the distance between Tyree and Will Anderson isn't much. And they're two totally different prospects. So it kind of depends on what your flavor you're after is. But I got to say, I watched Will Anderson,

and I'm impressed with his game and that he's a really good football player and a good athlete and he seems like a great kid. I just see more upside with Tyree Wilson, which isn't a hot take. And I'm a sucker for length. And part of that might be because I didn't have it as a young rusher.

So what say you about the, the conversation that's going on about these two, two edge guys, and is it actually possible that Tyree Wilson leapfrogs him on draft day? Yeah. When I watch prospects, I'm a sucker for size. That's because I'm 5'10 and can't play in the NFL. I like the big fellas.

Yeah, so Tyree and Anderson, absolutely, they play in different roles. I think a big part of why Tyree is consensus viewed as a lesser prospect than Anderson is some of the biographical details. Wilson's going to be 23 when he enters the league. And he started producing late, which you tend to worry about guys whose production came once they got a couple years older than the dudes they were facing, right? He kind of just got a physical advantage. He's also got LISFranc issues and his foot. And that's obviously that's a scary injury.

It's a worrisome thing, especially for a guy who's going to be carrying 270, 275, right? So there's some bio stuff that I think makes Wilson concerning. With that said, if you, from what I understand, if you tell me the first edge rushers coming off the board at three to the Cardinals, He goes quarterback quarterback, quarterback, then Cardinals can't trade the pick. From what I understand, they like Tyree Wilson better than Will Anderson. I think there's a very solid chance. Wilson's off the board before Anderson is. With Wilson, right, you're getting that big guy who can crush a pocket.

He can work his big five technique. He can take on a double team and he can move guys against the run. But then you turn on that Will Anderson film. He's playing inside the tackle. He's playing four-eye. And he's doing similar stuff. It's just not going to be the role he plays in the NFL. And in the role he plays, you really want a guy who's a consistent double-digit sack dude.

You take top three, put him in a wide alignment, get after the passer. And that's just not really will. He's so much better at fighting with power for power in the trenches. He's a little bit of like a square peg in a round hole where his traits don't match his size and his role as nicely and neatly as you'd like. Will reminds me a lot of Josh Sweaty when he came out of Florida State. Oh, that's interesting. All right. Like, athleticly, I can see this for sure.

Like, you've got the tools. He's got that ability to just kind of stick an arm on a guy and just walk him back. And you don't think he's going to do that at his size. But then with Sweat, it took a couple years in the NFL for him to start being like, all right, I've got it all figured out, got it all put together and now I'm a double-digit sack guy. I can see that happening for Will Anderson. And I think that's why you see some folks a little bit lower on him. Yeah, you know, for Will, it was more for me.

I don't see him as, you know, you compare him to Josh Sweat. Josh Sweat to me, like, I can see the explosion. when I turn on the tape. That first step is Josh Sweat's first step is almost otherworldly. I always called him a poor man's Robert Quinn, which is a hell of a compliment because Robert Quinn is rich as fuck in those terms. I mean, he has so much talent, so much Ben. Will Anderson, when I watch him, I see a guy who's probably not going to just be able to run by people, right?

And there are very few of those guys. Like I saw a Von Miller comp, and I was like, no. I mean, he's just not that. And the thing that concerned me a little bit was, I don't see him running everybody over. Now, I don't mean, you know, you can bullrush the guy from Vanderbilt, but then when you get in the game against like Texas or LSU, you get these bigger bodies, you've got the,

you've got more established kind of tackles. I saw him getting stoned a lot, you know, kind of on contact and also with Will, and this is the one area where I think the upside is for him, I don't think he uses his hands that well. Like I don't see, he's a really good football player in that he, He's smart. He knows the game. You can tell he transitions, you know, play action pass transition is automatic for him.

He sifts through traffic well. He's versatile. He's played inside in a four eye. You can play him in a nine. He'd probably be a backer. But when a guy's not like overpowering and he's not a burner, I kind of worry a little bit about, you know, that top end production from a sack standpoint. When I turned on Tyree Wilson's tape, there were like five, seven plays in the first game I watched that,

you know the plays where, like, you actually. actually make a noise when you watch that oh that NC state tackle where he's like 45 degrees off the ground man yes and I love his long arm I'm a big fan of length the thing that worries about me about Tyree Wilson the things you just said for sure uh and you know as a guy that was a late bloomer myself like I totally see that but um you know he is on the ground a lot you know and part of that is his center of gravity I do think he steps under himself a lot I just see him as rar and i like the carlos dunlap comparison um you know and if you drafted carlos dunlap in the top five you probably you wouldn't even get a you wouldn't get any shit for it because the guy's

almost been a hundred-sac guy uh he's been consistent now he's a really good veteran kind of uh rotational rusher so i think it's going to be interesting and i i'm glad you feel like it's not like hey i'm not saying will anderson's the fifth best end i'm just saying this competition is a little bit more open than I assumed. You know, hearing Will's name for multiple years now, he's got that long resume. He's a Bama guy. I do think it's going to be interesting. And to put it that way, I mean, you could see Tyree Wilson go three.

And maybe that's the case. Yeah. And that's the thing is, like, we've been spoiled with some crazy top five picks at pass rusher in recent years. You got a Bosa. You got another Bosa. You got Miles Garrett. You got a Brian Burns up there.

You got a Vaughn back there back. You had so many guys in the top five who just all of a sudden are turning out like 12 plus 14 plus sack seasons. Last year's class and this year's class serve as a really good reminder that like Edge is still a premium position. It's so going to get drafted early. That doesn't mean every year's top five has a guy who's going to pick up a 16 sack season at some point, right? Like that was none of the guys last year. That's none of the guys this year. They're still going to go early.

It's just we can't get too far over our skis with Will Anderson and Aidan Hutchinson and Tyree Wilson and Trayman Walker and all. these guys. They're just going to be good edge rushers. It's also hard to, you know, it's a tough position to dive right in and be really productive. And that's why Aden's last year was really impressive to me, because you could see him working through the game and learning skills that he was adding to his toolbox. And he came on as the year went on. We talked on our podcast about when he was at Michigan, he really liked standing up. And he hoped that at the next level, he was going to be able to stand up because it helps his vision and the whole thing. And, you know, the second half of the season,

and they started letting him stand up. He got more comfortable. He added a couple new tools of the toolbox. It isn't an automatically translating skill set. You know, the NFL is so different from a pass rush standpoint. Who do you like from the rest of it? Like, is there any reason for a team? Would you call a team crazy if they like Nolan Smith better than Will Anderson?

Crazy? No. They're out there. That man, it's 240 pounds. You got to have a plan, right? And that's the thing is, yeah, this, the league's changing, right, prototypes at positions are changing. Edge is absolutely getting smaller. There's no two ways around it.

With that said, when we go to the list edge rushers came into the combine around 240 and had double-digit sack season. So we go Hassan Reddick, and then we stop because that's, it is a very limited list for guys who came in sub 240. You're really trying to hit a window there with a Hassan Reddick caliber player with a new Chenna to Wosu. sort of a player right now at Seattle. And the thing about these guys is they took legitimate reps off ball, right? They spent parts of their college careers playing off ball. They got really good to block deconstruction. They got really good with their hands and reading out run plays and doing the little stuff

such that they could survive on the edge at this lower weight. Smith's film against the run is awesome. Like he cares. He loves it. I don't know what they feed him in Georgia. He's better against the run than Will Anderson. I don't mean this disparagingly. Will Anderson's fine against the run, but I don't see him.

like an edge shutter when the tackle comes out that we used to rate it on like our D-line coach was a hard ass so you have a 340 pound tackle like I'm supposed to stop. On contact we're graded on do our feet stop like all the way or do we do we have to gather and give six inches? Like you know I don't see Will as and Will doesn't beat up

tight ends like I don't see him beating up tight ends the way some of these other guys do so I see that Nolan's pretty good against the run. Yeah and so I think and you've heard from like insiders that there's like potential Nolan Smith top 10, top 15 conversation. Again, I don't, I don't mind it. I really don't. He's a dynamic player. You don't find an athlete like this in every single class.

You got to have a plan. You can't toss him out there and ask him to figure it out for you. That's not going to land. And so if he, he's going to be limited to the teams he goes to, right? It's going to be limited to teams that are okay with the guy that size. And then it's about, all right, how often do you drop him? How often do you rush him? And what alignment are you rushing him from?

So it's a specific thing, but there are teams that are, tripping over themselves to the chance to draft him. He's exciting. And I think the Van Ness kid is versatile enough. I think, you know, like he's stacked. The kid's built and, you know, he could play inside. He's a tall guy, but, you know, I think he understands playing at Iowa. He understands leverage enough.

He plays with his hands well. My biggest concern about him is obviously like, you know, I know Iowa has a thing where, you know, seniors are going to start and that sort of thing. Well, he couldn't find his way into the starting lineup. My actually, my biggest concern with him is watching tape on him. I'd go through a whole game and he wouldn't attack a single edge. You know, I don't know if it's, that's how they coach things, you know, because sometimes you'll be on a team where, you know, they don't, you know,

encourage guys to attack edges. Maybe they don't give them the tools to attack edges. Maybe it's a thing of getting Lucas Van Ness into an NFL D-Line room and he learns a chop club and a swipe and, you know, a post, you know, a long arm and a spin off it. Like he doesn't seem to have that toolbox yet. what do you make of him? Yeah, I like to say that when Lucas Van Ness learns with the things that the end of his wrists are, he's going to be a good player.

Someone just got to tell him, though. Once he finds out what they are, it's going to be great. He's such a good example of where we're kind of stuck in this draft class overall, which is you watch him. Okay. Oh, some ice ex-closters. Oh, there's some power right there. I can get this whole NFL build.

Yeah, this makes sense to me. I can see this coming together. You read the scouting reports on him, you know, a few little experience, wasn't a starter, you know, okay, he's got to get some reps under his belt. This guy makes sense to me. And then you check a mock draft and he's like 10. You're like, what?

Wait, wait, it's like cartoon reaction. Like how did that guy get up here? That's how I felt. That's how I felt. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, it must be the class. Yeah, and so I like, for me, like, I'm an Eagles fan, right? I see him at 10.

I just my heart starts doing palpitations. I see him at 30. I'm like, that makes sense to me. Like, end of the first round, take a swing on a guy, get him in the building. He's going to be behind some starters for a year or two. and then see kind of, okay, what creative ways can we use them? Can we play them on the inside, sub-package rush or so on and so forth?

I think there are some dudes. William McDonald out of Iowa State is one of them. BJ O'Don LSU. Derek Hall out of Auburn, who I think are better rushers now. I think that Van Ness is a great chance to be better than them in one or two years. And so now you're gambling potential versus products. Kind of where do you want to go? Yeah, it seems like he'd be a luxury for a team that can develop him.

How about inside? Do you think Jalen Carter's back in shape? Were you concerned about the pro day? I don't think we've talked since the pro day. Yeah, it's a tricky thing. I struggle a lot with it because why was Carter's pro day poor? Well, he got arrested a couple weeks beforehand, and I feel like that affects a man's life.

I agree, I agree. affects his preparation for his pro day. Carter's film is unbelievable, such that I'm not going to let a bad bag drill affect the way that I think about him too much. Like, I watch him play, and there's some dominant play. The weight is more of a concern, right? Especially because he didn't play a ton of snaps every game, every week of Georgia.

They shouldn't need him to. So you do have, I think, some conditioning concerns and some ideal playweight concerns, just understanding, okay, how many snaps am I going to get out of you in year one? But then you watch him turn a corner at 310 pounds, and you're like, oh, I don't get to draft this every year. This doesn't come out every year. Movement skills for a guy who's a true 310 is really, really impressive. So I'm inclined to just fall back and trust the tape on Carter. Obviously for NFL team, the majority of their homework isn't so much on the tape as it is on the off-field stuff.

You know, why did he make the mistakes that he did? Has he made more mistakes? What's Georgia program kind of done for him? Can we trust him to keep his head screwed on straight when he's a professional? And that's a part of the process that's just always behind closed doors, very difficult to read into. Yeah, I got a public urination before Pro Day, and it really stressed me out. I really did. That was the one thing they found on me.

I was like guilty as charged. I had to be. You got me. Yeah, exactly. Who do you think is the best team fit for him? Ooh, I like that question. I always get him to Chicago at nine, and I started thinking to myself of the Bears

really not going to take an elite defender when you start to look at their roster. Matt Iber flus, that defense, man. They like to line up forward rush four. and when you don't got a true four deep and some dominant players, that could be a long way to die in an NFL game where you're not like adding to the rush and you're not creating confusion.

They could use a strong interior player. The Eagles at 10 is awesome. I mean, if you want to know how well he would fit with Jordan Davis, the 2021 Georgia Bulldogs won the national championship. We have some data on it. It wasn't too bad. And so he's a guy who can, I think it fit there extremely well. But this is a true overtackle.

This is a true. Line him up at three tech, try to get the tackle away from him, get him a two-way go and let him work. And that's going to fit on teams until the sun consumes the earth, man. I mean, that's a fit everywhere. Yeah, I feel like if I'm picking at the top of the draft and I need an edge and on some level I need a defensive tackle, no edge rusher wows me enough to pick unless you absolutely have a necessity for it over a Jalen Carter.

This guy is, I mean, yeah, I agree with you. I mean, he's well worth it. And I just don't see a need unless you're sure about the other guy to go with anybody but him early if you're looking at defensive line. How early could he go? I think Seattle at 5 is the first spot where I go, okay, maybe Carter. And they've taken guys who have some character questions before. I know that Quantra Diggs was joking about this on Richard Sherman's podcast where it's just like get him to the Pacific Northwest. You don't know anybody up here?

You know, kind of this is a bit of a fresh start for you. So he they're at five, which like they got real needs of defensive tackle. That's where I start to think about it. But they're tricky because they can take quarterback, they can take an edge rusher. Like there's a lot for them. I think five is where you start. Lions at six, you see that connection sometimes. I would be very surprised.

Given the way that Dan Campbell's talked about them publicly and given the way they run character there, I don't think that's a spot. So to me like five is the ceiling and then nine, ten is the floor. Drew Rosenhouse, who is Asian, said, we're not meet with teams outside of the top ten because Carter's going top ten. Okay, so somebody told him something. The Bears a 9 or Eagles of 10 said, hey, we got you. So I think the 510 is your range.

All right, Collagia Cancy, love the guy. Yeah, I'm very curious what you think about Cancy. He stood out to me. I got to tell you, the interior D-line outside of Jalen Carter didn't move me. I really like this kid. I'm a big believer, and I know you talked about his length or his arm length. What did he measure out at? So he came in with 30 and 5 eighth inch arms, which is the seventh shortest arms of the defense alignment ever at the combine.

That's the problem. That's the issue. When you looked at Aaron Donald and we don't like comping anyone to Aaron Donald, but he's a Pittsburgh guy who's undersized. So at least you say like, well, there's a precedent for this. I'm a big believer in like if I were a GM, I would draft short fucking detackles. The shortest ones I could find, but they need to have long arms. That's your height. Your height is your arm length, okay, like functionally in the NFL.

In fact, taller players inside, like, there's actually nothing to it except for blocking down, knocking down passes. You know, the arm length concerns me. However, I look at his tape and the guy knows how to get skinny. He knows how to attack edges. You know, the arm length is one thing if you're just a power player, but if you got finesse and you got wiggle in your game, maybe you can overcome it. but 30 is getting to be a problem.

I mean, that's like, that's down there. Yeah, when you, when you start looking at comparable guys, you don't find a lot of names you remember. You know, you still looking at that list, like, oh, I kind of remember. Elijah Qualls was in the league for a second. Anthony said, oh, yeah, okay. I play with Elijah Qualls. Yeah, right, six-round pick on Washington.

But in general, it's not a list of guys. When you look for defense alignment who've had at least, I think it's 10 sacks over the course of their career, there's only one who's got over, He's got substantial numbers under 31-inch arms. And he played for the bills for a long time. Kyle Williams. Kyle Williams.

Yeah, Kyle Williams. So, right, if you're real crafty, and that's the thing about watching Cancy is like he looks like a point guard out there sometimes, right? He's just like manipulating space and finding a little tight window and bending underneath. If you're real crafty, real quick, real wily, you can penetrate. But the issue for me is like, I think he can do that. But now as a defensive coach, I have to build my defense a line. build my rush plan around getting this guy the space he needs to work. He's really got to be

productive in terms of sacking the quarterback for me to justify that approach and build my rush plans. And he's got concerns with getting quarterbacks down because he doesn't have length because he's not very heavy. You saw his film against Hendon Hooker. He's got a sack on there, but he had other opportunities to get Hooker to the ground and couldn't do it. And so I worry about, okay, yeah, I can get you in this role where you succeed, but is the juice worth the squeeze? What am I doing to my other three defensive linemen to get you in the spot? That's a real thing, like arm length and finishing. You know, you can see it in the tape.

I watch Tyree Wilson. Like there's a play he's out of it. You got a nice rush, but the quarterback steps up. He just puts his arm out there, forces the fumble. You see Dunlap do it all the time. You see guys with great length do it all the time. Rousseau, you know, the difference between actually having that production and not and just having a good looking play on tape,

which I had a lot of because I didn't have, like, great length from an arm standpoint. There's so many plays. If I just had two more inches there, you know, that's another sack. And yeah, you've got those concerns with Cancy. Who would be the number two for you then? I'm assuming based on his mini-me arms that you wouldn't put him to. You watch any Keanu Benton out of Wisconsin? I have not.

Oh, Chris. Treat yourself. He's pretty, I treat myself. All right, okay. I like this. Bowellon would like this. Okay.

All right. Yeah. Benton can play. Now, Jim Leonard defense, right? And so they're using this guy all over the place and he's moving gaps

and he's lining up over the nose. Pull some highlights up as we talk about it. Yeah. But Benton's got that squatty build, right? Talk about a guy who's got some good natural leverage him, got some good thickness to him. And then he can play on all three downs.

He can defend the run. He's got the length to do it. He's got the explosiveness to do it. And then he can, he can push the pocket as well and he can finish around a corner benton is a is i cometon to quond short i think he's he's a round two player i like i like the account of benton quite a bit okay all right i'm gonna check him out our friend bow allen actually helped train him yeah bo allen trained him well there you go oh so we have we have an end for the podcast if he's any good that's good yeah so i like benton

and then the other player who's a fun watch is uh is uh gervyn dexter he is out of florida nose tackle just a son of a gun just a just a big angry young man a lot of fun We love that. Yeah. Then you need that to be a zero-nose because otherwise you're, yes, it's a long day at the office. Yeah. So corners, uh, take me through the best couple and the, and the schemes that they fit in, you know, because I think people sometimes, like,

I know you don't, but there's a lot of people, you know, look at the lions who, who might take a corner. People have talked about Gonzalez going to Detroit. You know, like Okuda last year, the scheme changed and everything that he was working on kind of crumbled. and then he's he's on the block and now he's in Atlanta and their scheme's different. He might thrive there. I mean, like, it is such a scheme dependent position.

Take me through the top prospects and what schemes that they fit best in. Yes, your clear top two are Christian Gonzalez out of Oregon and Devon Witherspoon out of Illinois. Gonzalez played at Colorado, transferred to Oregon with the quarterback, the defensive backs coach there. Smooth as silk, man. I mean, just six to two, 200, a moves as easy as you'll ever see. People talk about AJ Terrell with him. People talk about Passertan with him. So Tan's a little rich for my blood.

Gonzalez at times has some recognition issues. I think he'd be a little bit late to identify where the ball is, a little bit late to identify route concepts. But that AJ Terrell, where he's got the size to move with the good receivers on the outside, but he's not deficient in movement skills. When he gets hit with the Justin Jefferson, he can stick with him. That, I think, to me, is a good rhyme and reason for Christian Gonzalez. He's going to be more man coverage as is Witherspoon.

Witherspoon can probably do both a little bit better. Gonzalez, again, I think his eyes and his feel needs some work. And so we got his own corner, you really need them to know common route concepts, be able to feel space, split those routes. And that's where Gonzalez is weak right now. Devon Witherspoon is a son of a gun. I mean, he's 5-11, a buck 80, and just hates wide receivers, hates quarterbacks, hates off of the coordinators, hates passes,

very upset whenever a ball comes his way. Great on-ball production. Great aggressiveness. really, really good at playing through that catch point, right? He gets tight to receivers. He bullies them, he hassles them. He just makes catches really, really, really challenging. The other thing that's cool about Witherspoon's film is that before he was playing in

this defense, he was playing for Lubby. Lobby was head coach Illinois. He was playing in Tampa, too. And so he's got experience squatting down on that flat and playing with eyes and baiting quarterback's into throws. I think he's a little bit more scheme versatile. However, he's $5.11 and buck 80. And so for some teams, they're going to look at the size and say, no, this guy,

this guy's too small. When you go and you look for corners who went in the first round with that thin of a frame, you're in like the Jair Alexander Denzel Ward family, which is a great family to be in until you start looking at like the D'Andre Bakers and the Noahing Benogynes and like some of these guys who went later in the round one who just couldn't hang at the NFL level because of their size. So Witherspoon, he's got that Jaya Alexander cut of his jibb. He's just aggressive and chatty and physical. But you're hoping that that frame and that size can hold up.

I like him a little better than Gonzalez, both of them, I think, ideal man coverage players. And the same is true of Joy Porter Jr. Out of Penn State's behind him. There's a big guy. Yeah. Joy Porter Jr.'s pockets are at his knees, man. I mean, he's got 34-5-inch arms. He's a true press man dude.

He's got to stay up at the line of scrimmage. When you go and look for versatility, the player that I like is Deonté Banks out of Maryland. Tested really, really well. Jumped out of the gym, ran sub 4-4, has NFL size. and then Maryland just asked him to solve problems. Step into the slot, defend the run, play in the zone, split routes. There are so many reps of him yelling at his safety because his safety doesn't know what's going on. He's trying to explain stuff to him that's not even within his cone, right?

He's got great recognition, great feel. Ball skills, eh. Kind of kind of close your eyes sometimes, watch him try to catch the football. So we're in that like Xavier, or excuse me, Byron Jones realm, that Ronald Darby realm, or maybe they don't produce on the ball as much as you like, but altogether a complete corner prospect. I think all of those guys are round one players and you'll probably see one or two more by the end

around one. Where does a linebacker go first? Oh, sweet Christmas. This is not a class for fans of linebackers play. As you can tell by my curtailed question. Yeah. I think that you can see one go to Buffalo at the end of the first round. They've been connected to Jack Campbell out of Iowa, who Campbell would have been a great linebacker in 2005.

I don't know about 2023. I'm worried about that. Drew Sanders out of Arkansas is the name that I would circle. I like him. Talk about, yeah, he's very enticing. I like him more than is responsible. Yeah, I like him a lot. Yeah, he's, and that's the thing.

As I talked about Asan Redick and Ruchenoosu, guys who play the linebacker now play on the edge, Sanders played on the edge at Alabama, and then went back to Arkansas and played a middle linebacker. And you can just tell when he blitzes, and when he drops onto the edge to be a pass rusher, he just gets it. He's not thinking.

It's just the brain's doing the work for it. He understands at a fine angle and slip it. He's great movement skills, great length. He's very tempting player. It's just he's totally theory at this point. You really got, like, if you're playing with a true linebacker, it's going to take some time for him to get accustomed to the role. Tremaine Edmonds coming out of Virginia Tech,

who he went to Buffalo, was a guy who was 20. He hadn't started that much. Great measurable. Just needed a year or two under his belt in the NFL, and then it became a solid player. How did the guy from Montana end up last year in Atlanta? Did he get a lot of... Yeah, Troy Anderson.

They ended up just kind of sticking him out there in the back half of the first year and just kind of, all right, let's get this guy some reps. And he's a... He'd seek a missile when he arrives with... I like him a lot. Yeah. Yeah, you said Drew Sanders. I don't know.

It might be just kind of lengthy white linebacker. Right, yeah. But yeah, I like that kid coming out. Needless to say, I didn't crunch his tape a lot. Yeah. He was a guy who's, you know, eventually at some point, you got to put them on the field and just let them start learning. And that's, I think, where they ended up with him last year.

Obviously, Dean Peas was the D.C. there's like, send him. You can't cover. Rush them. They're just throwing him at the line of scrimmage. I think Ryan Nielsen's going to be really good for him, the new D.C. in Atlanta, who, you know, they've churned out good lineback after good linebacker, for a good lineback of that in New Orleans for a while. Good, good.

Like that kid. Okay. Offense, running backs. This is an interesting position to me, obviously, because of the differing opinions on the value of running backs. the whole thing. First, Eagles question, since we both have an interest in the Eagles, do you think there's a chance they change course on their theory on running backs?

And if Bejohn Robinson's there, would they take a shot at a guy like this, especially considering Jalen Hertz's new deal and needing to build pieces around him? Yeah, say a prayer for it. As football watchers, we'd all be so lucky to see it. With that said, I'm not holding my breath. the effort to get hurts to maybe carry the ball fewer times and protecting from more hits to me is less conditional on the quality of back back there and more conditional on the coaching staff making the choice.

The number of times during an Eagles game last year, I'm just screaming at the TV. Just put the ball in the belly of the back. No more read options, no more RPO's, no more RPOs, no more play action, repuggester. Call a run and put the ball at the belly of the back and let Stoutland's group go to work. And I very much expect them to take a back at some point. in this draft decently early, but I think 10 is way too rich. I don't think Bijon is going to be there at 30. I like Charbonnet, the kid from UCLA.

I like him a lot. And I was going to ask you, like, if you don't get Robinson and you're like an Eagles team that wants to pick one up in a later round, are you more of a, you know, you look for that kind of modern, do it all, returner, speed guy. Are you drafting somebody like this Charbonnet guy? All the above. I like everybody you're just named. It's a good running back class.

I definitely tend to lean once we get to the role player world of running backs, right? We get after round two and we start talking about guys who are going to be committee players. I always want to have a player on my committee who is a home run threat, right, who has that speed to kind of, you know, hit the house call. You can see that in the way Philly managed their room, right? That was Sanders for them. He was that, you know, okay, when he gets to the second level, he's got the speed. He leaves, and they bring in Rashad Penny, who, when he's,

Rashad Penny gets to the second level, it's house call. It's just, you know, the issues that he has stay in health, whatever. So that's your Devon A Shane, right? That's that player out of Texas A&M who's, you know, was like a high school sprinter, unbelievable speed. He's actually, like, weirdly good between the tackles, a tough son of a gun. But Charbonnet, Charbonnet is just right. All reliable, smooth, eddy, steady.

And then he actually can give you a little bit as a pass catcher, too, just because UCLA used him as a, usually I would use him as a safety valve for their quarterback there. And he was successful catching the ball outside of his frame, making a guy miss with Wiggle. Charbonnet is very, very likable. I have a lot of running backs ranked, like top 100 or so in this class. It's just a glut of talent at the position. H.N. Gibbs, Charbonate, Eric Gray out of Oklahoma is extremely talented. Tai J. Spears out of Tulane.

Awesome film. Just got knee injuries. And you just got to wonder how long you can kind of keep them up, right? But, oh, man, such a natural runner. Like, there's a flavor for everybody in this class. Whatever role you need, you know, you're the Cowboys. and you like go a Zeke and now you need a banger, there's a guy for you. The Eagles and now you need a speed threat, right?

A Miles Sanders replacement can catch past. There's a guy for you. Like there's a flavor for everybody in this group. Yeah, and a chain and Gibbs because they're going to be kind of compared to each other probably. And Gibbs is the more well thought of back, I guess, universally right now. But, you know, when I watched him, I didn't see him like making a ton of guys miss in the open field. Like he gets there. His wiggle isn't as good as his straight line.

and I thought, I think a chain, like you said it, in between the tackles, you could see a little bit more instinct, a little bit more vision. And another thing with the Gibbs guy, he'd get to the fucking sideline, and he's so damn fast, but you know, some people can't run that hoop, you know, like, where, you know,

you get to the sideline, now you've got to, now you've got to round it and go straight. And like, he just, he's more linear, like, straight line. You know what I'm saying? I don't know. I don't know how early I'd take a guy like that, but I just thought it was interesting comparing those two guys. And then the McBride guy from UAB,

I don't hate him. I mean, he's definitely a later round pick, but you're right. Like, this is a really good class. There's a lot of flavors to choose from. Yeah, McBride, dude, talk about a proof over volume. The whole offense right there running through McBride, and he's able to sustain that level of volume.

Right, exactly. I wonder this, I really wanted to ask you, like, do you think running back's the most college team dependent position? Is it up there? Like, would you be more apt to take a guy from a smaller school that maybe had less big holes to run through at this position relative to other positions? Is that factor in at all when you evaluate running backs? Yeah. It definitely has to. Like, level competition is going to matter everywhere.

And then with the running back, because the running game is so dependent on other players, every single offensive. lineman and then the seven guys that are in the box six guys that are in the box for the opposing defense that context becomes magnified i don't think it gets over quarterback for that exact same reason we're like you know you watch yeah quarterbacks yeah exactly quarterback's the exception yeah exactly like i think it's never going to touch quarterback but it's definitely up there and then the other thing with running back is you start talking about that volume and seeing what's the tread on these guys tires right and that's where you look at a a mcbride and say well okay he's got 283 carries last year. Chase Brown out of Illinois is like over 600 career carries. And these guys who go back

to school, it's sick. It's awesome. Like they love college or whatever, but that gets back in for NFL teams where you want to make sure a guy is not going to run out of treadmill his tires early in his career with you. Well, yeah, Bill loved Alabama guys. And I was like, okay, Bill, well, I never said this, but in my head, I was like, all right, Bill. You know, these guys have already played like five years of pro football. You know, Dante Hightower has played 30 years of football. I mean, you know, when Barrett Jones got to the Rams, he was beat up. You know, there is, depending on not only the position you play, the volume, but also the school that you go to and how they do things, the conference.

These are things you got to take into account. How about the guys blocking for these running backs? Do you like the Paris kid from Ohio State? Do you like the Skrotsky kid from Northwestern if you, you know, you had to make a pick in the top 10? No, great question. I'm a Skoranski guy. I think that we're getting better at better at dealing with offensive tackles who have maybe suboptimal length. Those guys are doing better surviving at the NFL level. Rishon Slater, who's the last great tackle to come out of Northwestern two years ago is a good example. Skoranski, man, he's so good. Really? Yeah.

I mean, the film is just, it's awesome. He just understands running game, passing game, levers, angles, adjustments, you know, take it inside, take it outside. He's balanced. He's under control. Like, he's just T-stap. Zerline, right? Lance, obviously, pops in an offensive line coach. Compton to Zach Martin.

Almost fell out of my chair. Lance, you got to relax, brother. That's Zach Martin. Talk about we don't call people to Aaron Donald. We don't call people to Zach Martin either. You can't touch him. So that was eye-popping. Yeah, he might be a guard.

at the NFL, but I really think if you start a metafo, he's going to be able to hang out there. I think that he can do it. Paris Johnson, likable, a little bit high cut, some balance issues, some anchoring versus power issues, really big guy, really great length, right? So he's all the tools that you want, but that's also true of Project Jones out of Georgia. It's also true of Darno Wright out of Tennessee. DeWan Jones, his teammate at Ohio State is an enormous human being. There's a lot of ideal length, size, weight, foot quix.

witness guys in this class who still need a little bit of polish. There's only one dude right now who I would take a nap if he was my left tackle in the pocket. That's Goronski. Yeah, he's ready. Yeah, that makes sense. Tight ends, man. What is the range that you've identified that mayor could fall in? Because I had heard some people have speculated he could be a top 10 pick. Now, that's kind of faded a little bit like he could be in that 5 to 10 range. But now how far down does that range go like how long could he sit and how long could he yeah how short could that weight be as well yeah so the tricky thing for mayor is i don't think he did anything wrong i think the tight end class is awesome right like you know you go to take a a Kyle pitts top five okay cool but then if you're going to

take a tight end top 10 top 15 he's got to be a high tier player without a lot of other options and the class just super deep first round second round third round ton of guys and so for mayor i expect mayor more likely to be a back end of the first round back half of the first round then it'd be top half of the first round. Green Bay at 15. I think we start having the conversation. Detroit at 18 is a spot that makes sense. Tampa Bay at 19 also possible. Once we get to Dallas at 26, the word on the street is that Michael Mayer is available at 26. Michael Mayor is a cowboy. No further questions, which they have an opening there. And so I think they, right, 15 to 26 is kind of where you're looking for him. I do expect him to be the first tight end off the board.

There was a dalliance there with Dalton Kincaid out of Utah. It's a great receiver, really cool mover awesome player he's got back injuries he wasn't able to do the entire pre-draft process yeah there's there's worries about that and tight ends man back injuries guess what routes tight ends run they're on seams and benders you're taking some hits like it is a tough position I have a back injury at so I don't know I don't think

can kate's that first got off the board anymore I think it's mayor could the cowboys trade up if they love them that much I mean now that they've let the world know that they love them that much there's nothing better than a Dallas cowboy pre-draft process where by the time we hit the draft everybody knows who Jerry Jones top 19 prospects are. It's definitely possible. I think we see a very trade-heavy first round.

Quarterbacks, obviously, driving it in the top 10. I think there's going to be a run-on tackles once we start to get into the early teens. And then, like I say, it's not a great class. And so everybody's boards are going to look a little bit different. And all of a sudden, guys are going to be falling, that other teams didn't think we're going to be falling, and the teams are going to be more aggressive getting up. And now there's more compics than they ever before. So there's more picks of trade than ever before.

Yeah, everybody could trade up for anybody at any given moment, which I know is not good analysis to give on a podcast. Not helpful, but that's what I got. No, that's good. That's good. The last thing I'll ask you about this year's draft, the TCU wide out, the big guy, Quentin Johnson. The NFL said, hey, don't come to the draft.

We think you might slide a bit. I know that I've heard rumblings that there's probably only one receiver going in the first round. How do you see this wide receiver class panning out? And there's so much variability in size and style of play. And the NFL wide receivers getting smaller. How do you compare apples to oranges when it comes to these guys? 100% right. Daniel Jeremiah has the line that he likes to say,

which is you want to build your wide receiver room like a basketball team. You need a stretch four. You need a point guard. You need a three and D. You just need guys of different sizes. Then you kind of mix and match the roles. This year is the year of the small. Man, if you already have a small,

it is not a class for you. We got Zayflowers at 183, Josh Addison, 177, Josh Downs, 179, Jailahite at 179, like it is just a small, small class. Even Jackson Spith and Jigba, who's decently sized, like six foot 190, 192, it's probably a slot. Like, it's just the role he plays. So Johnson benefits from being, I think, emphatically, the best receiver who falls clearly into the big category, right?

It's like him, Cedric Tillman, and then that's kind of it. Will he go round one? I think, yeah, that's become a bit of a question. He's one of these guys who suffered from unnecessary pre-draft promising, and he came in below expectations. Like, there were rumors like, oh, Quinn Johnson can run a 4-3. And you'd watch him and go, this guy can't run a 4-3. What are we talking about?

And then he went out and didn't run a 4-3. And everybody was like, oh, Quinn-Johnson, loser of the combine. Nobody should have ever said he's going to run up 4-3. That never made any sense. So he's kind of got a little bit of that going for him right now, where he just underperformed athletically. but when you watch him, it's the craftiness. It's the comfort through contact that kind of makes it for him.

He wasn't ever really a big burner. The question for him is, if you're this big, why are we basket catching stuff in the air? Why have we got our hands flipped the wrong way? You ever watch DK Matt Kaff and go, like, DK, just catch the ball. Like, stop doing whatever you're doing, just catch it. Quinn Johnson's the same thing. His catch technique is just a little bit haphazard right now.

And he's making acrobatic catches. He's all over the place. He's got a good catch radius. He needs a good wide receiver coach for a year, I think it'll feel a lot better with him, like on the downfield bomb stuff. And so that kind of slides him down a little bit. Smith and Jigbo go first. I think Zay Flowers is going to sneak his way into round one.

After that, wide receiver class is weird. All right. As for next year, I heard you say that you can predict next year's top five better than you predict this year's top five. Give us a go. Yeah. That's because I can maybe get two picks of next year's top five, correct. At this stage, I'm not sure I can get more.

Who are the best five players? We know it starts with Caleb Williams. And I guess before you rank the top five players, who's the biggest candidate to tank this year for Caleb Williams? Oh, I love that. I do think the Cardinals, I mean, if you look at that roster, you can't tell me this team's plan to do a thing in 2023. So I think that they are a strong 2024, make a quarterback move candidate and then go take Caleb Williams. Caleb Williams is a quarterback at USC, Marvin Harrison Jr., who, yeah, Marvin Harrison Jr., who, yeah, Marvin Harrison Jr., which I haven't started to reach that stage yet where I feel super old by who has kids.

Joe Porter and Marvin Harrison is really starting to throw me a little bit. Harrison Jr. is going to be about as good of a wide receiver prospect as we see. There are two great offensive tackle prospects, Joe Alt out of Notre Dame and then Olufashon, who out of Penn State, who was going to be like a top 15 pick this year and went back to school. Kudos to him. And then you have Drake May, the quarterback at a UNC and Brock Bowers, the tight end out of Georgia, who Brock Bowers is really good. A football, I don't know how early we're taking tight ends anymore.

The Kyle Pitts thing didn't really work, but holy smokes, Brock Bowers can play. Stanford Steve is in love with the kid. Like, he's just in love with him. He might, yeah, I mean, he's, he's, he's, that's his fan club right there. Okay, that's good. So we jumped ahead to next year. The last question I want to ask you, it's not football related. Sometimes ringer personalities go on the rewatchables.

If you went on the rewatchables, what movie would you want to, would you want to rewatchable? I'm not sure. The reason is because whenever they bring it up to me, there is joke and say they want to bring me on a podcast called The Watchables, because I've never seen any of these movies. And they always see it. Oh, okay. You never see.

You're not a big movie guy. Not a big movie guy. And then like, you know, they're usually rewatching old movies. And think about old movies is I was not doing stuff when they were on. And so I never caught him. You've seen The Godfather. Nope. Have you seen Jaws?

Nope. Have you seen Star Wars? Yeah, yeah, I see Star Wars. Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay, keep him going, Matt. Give him another one. This is why I know so much about football. This is why I know so much about Ferris Bueller's Day Off.

Yeah, I've seen that one. He's seen that one. Stripes. How about Happy Gilmore? He's seen Happy Game Moore. No, I know he golfs in that one, but that's all I can. Keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going. Stripes.

Never even heard of that. He's not seen Stripes. Caddy Shack. They also golf in that. That one. That was on at my in-laws the other day. And I was like, what movie is this? They were like, Caddy Shag. Obviously, it was like, oh, yeah, yeah, it's that scene.

My bad, my bad. My bad. I had not seen it. Broken Arrow. Never heard of it. Never heard of it. It's got one of the greatest actors of all time. Congrats to John. We're going to do a podcast where we have Ben on and just ask him if he's seen

Morris gum. Forrest Gump. Yeah. I think so. time again. He runs Box of chocolates there's a shrimp boat. When I first one on the first time I went on

Mina's show for like the five questions at the end she just asked me about like 80s television and she got so mad at me she ended the show early. She was like we have to leave now. Like this is not I can't do this anymore. How about remember the Titans? Fuck. I mean. I love remember the Titans.

That's a football movie. So that falls into my scope. Invincible. Yeah, invincible. Philly. Philly. Yeah, Philly stuff. Well, that's good. We got to work on this. Benjamin Selag, he knows all things football, no things movies.

But he's not here for the movies. Thanks for the time, trying to lose your mind over the next little bit here. And hope your mock draft hits like perfectly, bro. Yeah, every year, 100% guarantee. That's the Ben Solac way. We just get all the picks right. There we go. Appreciate you, Chris.

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doing what we've been doing all fall every Thursday at 430 on amp. Check us out. I got Jordan Palmer on the show. And what's exciting about this, he knows everything there is to know about quarterbacks. I don't know anything about quarterbacks. Neither do I. That's why JP's here. He also might know more about my brother Kyle than me because he played with him in Chicago. Jordan welcome to the show brother yeah thanks for having me just a minor correction Kyle's really the one that got me on the show because I've been dying to catch up with Kyle I do some workouts every now and then at a little place called saddleback junior

college oh yeah they got a 40-foot banner of him up there and so I see him quite a bit but I haven't talked to him Chris we don't know each other but I just met a huge fan of just insane career that you had. Thanks, man. And then I'm big on the entrepreneur media, love, been a fan of everybody who's doing anything. McAfee, you guys, Kelsey brothers, I think it's fucking awesome.

And then on top of that, there's just not that many sets of brothers that actually, like, did it, you know, like got to the league. Now, I'm not putting my, as the younger brother, I'm not put myself in Kyle Long's category, but, or Eli or any of the other great players, I was kind of like a barely their guy, but still,

you know, pretty sick to make it to the league. We're all there. It's a unique relationship that we all share and nobody really understands it. And you can hang out with any set of brothers in the league and be like, I feel like I know these dudes. Yeah. And I end up when I or we or my brother ends up talking to another set of brother, like you're just kind of talking about different shit that other people don't really get, you know, because I mean, I'm a dad. I got three boys. I got a seven-year-old, a four-year-old, and a five-month-old.

That's awesome. And they're just fighting and wrestling. And I still like think like, wow, how cool with that. being. You know what I mean? Whatever their thing is, if they did it at the highest level. So I think that's something really cool we have in comments. So, Chris, I don't know you well. But I've just been watching from afar.

I thought it was so amazing what you guys have done. Thanks, man. And yeah, it's good to meet you officially. And yeah, I think being brothers with another quarterback in the league is a lot less stressful than being brothers with a guy that you got to play against. And then, like, the game you play against him, he decides he wants to go and get ejected maybe. I fucking hated you when I played against you.

You're just a piece of shit. Like, at least you don't have to like. like actively talk shit to your brother on the field. You guys have like, what is it, 50 yards between you, sideline to sideline, whatever it is. Chris is in my face, like calling stunts and twists and talking shit. It's tough. I remember he came to pull you off of whatever you did.

And I was thinking, I remember watching that game live. I remember going like, that might be the last guy that you actually, like, I don't know that he's the guy that should pull him off. Yeah, yeah. You've got Kyle, I would assume, has landed more punches on Chris Long than any other human. Actually, he's never punched me in the face. Never.

Never. Never. A lot of grappling. A lot of grappling. Yeah. You know, he was a, he's younger enough than me that we were kind of like in different age groups in that, in that respect. But yeah.

No, it was stressful, Kyle. And that was a weird way to say thanks for saving me $50,000. But anyways, uh, I think it is cool. We're all part of a fraternity man. And, uh, you, you're working with QBs now that's like the, you know, obviously I've listened to your podcast and like, I've heard you on Mike, but I, I, I, I know you do some really good work with QBs. You've been doing it for a very long time.

Like that's not missed on us. Like you've been doing this. For so long. Like a decade? What was your rookie year, Kyle? 2013, dude. I remember like you were into this shit when I was a wee lad. I got approached in 2012 by one of my best friends that I lost two years ago,

Trevor Moad. I don't know if you guys ever crossed past with Trevor Moad, performance psychologist to a lot of different teams, a lot of athletes. And he approached me about doing draft training when I was a bear and Kyle when we dropped to Kyle that offseason. And Blake Bortles was the first guy I trained. I was like, shit, I did draft training with my high school coach, Bob Johnson. Like, I don't really know it. I didn't know it was an industry. I just kind of threw up my high school because my, he trained a lot of draft guys for athletes first who I signed with. And so I was like, I was like,

I don't have context for what we to do, but you know, you bring one of these guys in here. And, you know, it is when you're in the law, league you're not watching college football you don't have time and so i didn't know who blake portals was i don't know ucf was good and um they go yeah bring somebody in here and it was that they opened a new exos facility 30 minutes for me in san diego that year and i was like let me eat for free and train for free and give me like 10 racks and yeah bring some guys in here and i'll teach them all the shit i think you should know as a rookie yeah and went through the process he went third overall i left like phase one o t a's to fly to new york i put my suit on in the bear's locker room i think you were there

Oh, yes. To go to New York and sit in the green room with him. We thought he was going like 20 to 25 and he went third. And we stayed up all night. I don't know if you guys ever crossed Basin Blake, but he's a good time. He's a beauty. Yeah, I'm disappointed that we haven't crossed Basin. I love that guy.

Oh, you guys. I met him like twice. And he was just, I got a camel crush for him whenever I do run into him. He's a siggy guy, I think. And so that was the first year I did it. Yeah. And I was like super fun.

And so for me, I look at it like Q1, January, February, March. I've been doing it ever since. I've probably had 40 or something guys by now. A couple guys go one. A lot of guys go first round. And for people that don't know you very well, you're a young guy not only in spirit, but in age at that time in 2012, 2013, you were a young dude in the league. And to work with these players, you have to have a unique relationship. So Chris and I were trying to figure out how do you balance being a being a homie to these guys and being an instructor and a life coach and all that kind of thing? Yeah, I think it's evolved.

I think, one, my perspective on the league is unique. So, like, there's very few things, I would say to you, Kyle, there's probably very few real things that Chris has been through in his life that you haven't, like, been brought into, right? Any drama with family or health stuff or highs and lows and contract negotiations as a little brother, it didn't happen to you, but it kind of happened to you. Is that fair?

Yep. Right? It's not like you guys didn't confide in each other on big shit. Yeah, like when he got drafted, I was like, we got drafted. Way to go, Chris. I sat in the grap in the green room next to my brother, you know. And so my brother was the number one recruit in the country,

Heisman trophy, number one pick, retired, highest paid player in NFL history. So I know enough about what those guys go through. Face of the franchise, once they pay you that big deal is when coaches feel totally fine with throwing you into the bus and all the other shit, right? and all the bad trainer who screwed up the rehab and the contract. And so I know what that's like, at least from one vantage point. But I only played my senior year, the only year I ever started it. I played quarterback my whole life.

This is the only year I ever beat everybody out and was the starter, Michigan Bureau High School. And I was, yeah, so I had one offer to the only school I didn't want to go to. And I went to, I was a six-round pick, got cut at the end of training camp. I signed with Sacramento Mountain Lions in the UFL to play with Denny Green. I was there 48 hours and bounced. I signed an AFL contract with the Arizona Rattlers. Got signed by the Bengals when I was driving to Arizona for training camp.

Did a U-turn, drove home, flew to Sensee crazy. And then I got cut like five times, six times. So my vantage point is from Scrub, who's trying to claw his way into the league to, you know, blue chip number one and everything at every face. So my vantage point on the position is super unique. And then with the Elite 11 that's been around, I think this is 25th year, top high school quarterbacks in the country every year. Well, my dad read about that in student sports magazine when I was in sixth grade

and dropped me off when Drew Breeze was a junior in college counselor. And I've never missed one. So when I was a college counselor in that, the little high school guys were Maddie Stafford and Timmy Tebow. So like my exposure to the position. is just super unique. It's not that I'm smarter or better. I just nobody's seen more quarterbacks

and really seen where the bodies are buried. And at more stages in their lives and their careers, right? Like your body changes, your mind changes. I remember being 15 versus being 24, and I was two different human beings. You get to shepherd, you get to shepherd these guys through that. What's, like, if you had concise messaging, what's your messaging to these guys?

Well, I think, one, the one thing I've just seen play out, right? What I tried to not do, I think the best coaches I've ever had were the ones that actually had the most humility and were actually always looking to learn and didn't feel like they had the right answers because they got them from some guy five years ago that they worked for. And so for me, I think one, the way you, Kyle, this will play it with you. The way you live your life off the field directly mirrors the way you play the game on it. Yes. I have not seen somebody whose life is in disarray off the field. And then they're just a game manager, great, you know, instincts on the. field process organized going through for got i haven't seen somebody who's totally buttoned up in life

just grip it and rip it and say fuck it and run around and try play so if you look at johnny mel mansell's play his lifestyle makes sense and if you watched Peyton manning and how he approached the game as a player i've been on some business side of things with and got exposure to Peyton he reads the contracts and red lines stuff and it comes to the meeting prepared like it makes sense. And so anybody who wants to just solve for the field thing and then be a slapy over here, I've not seen that play out. And so really, there's a lot of fundamental things you got to get good at and you all that stuff with quarterback. But it starts with like, there's reps around you every day in life. Like if you actually empower people around you and if you connect, and if you're a

quarterback in every phase of your life in the classroom with girls on social media, for young kids, I always tell them, like, find somebody at school who could benefit from being the starting friends with the quarterback. I guarantee there's a kid getting smoked on social media or bullied. Yeah. Like so if you start showing up in every phase of your life, I just seen that play out where that ends up being the type of leader and player you become. Now there's still things you got to get good at. But the reps are not just on the field. Like you can get reps around you. And then for me, the most important trait in a quarterback and like whatever second is debatable, but it's a super distant second is self-generated unwavering confidence. And so,

And so I believe confidence is a muscle. So I kind of argue I'm in the confidence business because what I do for middle school, high school, college, XFL and NFL is everything we're doing is about getting them more confident in what they're actually asked to do. And in the off season, you're asked to do different things than you are in the AFC title game, but confidence to show up in every single phase. And I believe it's a muscle that you can train and develop. I don't think it's hereditary.

What, like you're, the industry for coaching quarterbacks outside the confines of an NFL locker room that has kind of grown like you see there's all types of gurus now and you're one of the most, you know, the foremost guys. Do you think that's born out of, you know, a situation Lee wide where quarterback coaches and buildings really aren't as good as they're cracked up to be because I've heard that from time to time from guys that play the position and as the defensive lineman I know from experience that position coaches, there's a lot of faking it until you make it. There's a lot of who you know. There's a lot of you know like a lot of how you handle your talent, not what you do with you. Yeah. And I just wonder like is the development piece

it's kind of backwards. They seem to gloss over who the QB coach is in a building, but they're going to pay a guy all this money. It's sometimes like Jalen Hertz just signed a big deal or if you're signing a quarterback in the top five on the rookie wage scale. It's still a big commitment. You would think that you would do more to help develop that quarterback in the confines of the building, but I don't think it's caught up to the type of thing you're doing. Is that accurate? Yeah, it's spot on. And it's not an indictment on one team or this one guy. It's a systemic issue. So I believe that the quarterback position is a decade in terms of how it's developed. It's a decade at least behind golf and baseball. So I'll tell you story. My high school buddy,

you backed me up in high school, played at Yale. His name's Josh, and he married Natalie Golbis, who's been on the LPGA tour. I think she's still playing but like 17, 18 years, right? She was a phenom. And so I was one offseason, I think it was Chicago offseason, is when I was training guy, I was after that, but I was training guys, and I was doing drills and stuff, you know,

and giving them whatever I had. Like, what's what pretty much much coaches do. Whatever I learned from whoever I learned it from, I'm going to pass it on to you, and then maybe I'm going to add a wrinkle based off my own personal opinion, and there's coaching. Yeah. But that's not what they do in golf.

So I went to play golf with her and her husband one day, and she pushed the tea time back because she said, my swing coach is coming to town. We're going to hit balls for 90 minutes. And it was Butch Harmon, who's at the time had Tiger Woods and blah, but this long list. And so I'm hitting. I go, can I watch? And so I'm hitting balls next to them.

And I'm listening to them talk. And at this time in my career, I was living in San Diego in the offseason, training with my brother and Drew Brees. So two dudes who, like, have a reason for why they do what they do, right? and they don't wing it. And I'm listening to her talk to Butch Harmon, and I'm like, there's not a quarterback in the world who could talk to their quarterback coach this way. They're talking about body parts that I don't know.

I can't follow what they're talking about. Yeah. And I'm like, holy shit. And I'm on like my 15th. And I'm like, whoa, we're way behind this. And so I just kind of went down this rabbit hole of like, yeah, I started learning more about golf and stuff. And I'm sort of working with swing coaches. Like I have a partnership with Titleist.

And I do a lot in golf. I do a lot with the golf guys as it pertains to what I do. And so this guy, Greg Rose, is like the father of rotational training. So anybody who trains rotational athletes, it all comes from Greg Rose. And so as I study this, and now I can definitively say it, we're at least a decade behind. We don't use data. They don't use, they don't, I do. They don't use data.

They don't use feedback. They don't measure any metrics. They tell you to aim a little higher. They tell you to not get so low. they tell you to get a little deeper, like they tell you what to do, not how to do it. And so I feel like I don't really do, you know, there's a lot of like QB gurus out there. I don't really do what everybody else does because my full approach and really the last four years, it's evolved.

It's all tied back to the human body. How do we move? Like most guys lean into what they're doing. We're upper body movers. And honestly, I consult for some teams now, college and pro. And I end up seeing, I'll tell you the left tackle why he's getting beat because his first movement is his upper body shifts. forward, then he's using momentum to be able to kick back. And so I can see, you can't unsee it once you see how you're actually supposed to move. And so not to get too nerdy, but the quarterback

industry, they tell you what to do, not how to do it. And nobody got a quarterback coaching job, like in their job description, there is no paragraph on kinesiology or understanding of the body. Right. And it's not the quarterback coach's fault. The head coach who hired him, it wasn't in the job description. It never came up. Yeah. And every building, and this is true, you guys will resonate with you guys, the quarterback coach, or think about your position-specific coach, and the strength coach and the physical therapist, whoever does the exercise therapy at that team, they don't talk. No.

They don't know each other. That's a misconception in the NFL is that the trainers get on well and communicate with the strength staff who gets on well and communicates with your position coach. That's a misconception. But they have three separate initiatives. Yeah. Right. So the physical therapist has to get you healthy.

And then typically, and I encourage my, like my quarterbacks, my vets who are here in the off season, they do physical therapy four days a week. Yeah. Even if they're healthy. Because what we're doing is we might just be working on ankle mobility on the left side because of what that's causing their right hip to do. And now that's not, it's keeping them from loading a line of tension when they throw, which is why their elbows bugging them.

Yeah. But it starts with their left ankle. Yeah. And so physical therapy is a piece, but on a team, let's say the bears, right? The physical therapist goes, I did my job. He's healthy. The strength coach has, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, He's at 225 or he's at eight reps now or body fat or these metrics that don't connect back

to the position. And then the quarterback coach has, he didn't get his job based off his understanding of the body. And so all of a sudden we're paying, I mean, Burroughs' new deal is going to be 50 a year. And his quarterback coach makes 300 grand, who works for who? Yeah. Yeah. It goes on down the line like the orthopedic surgeon is disconnected too far from the people doing

the rehab. You know, they're like, oh, you're structurally ready to play. I'll pass you off to the trainer and the trainer's like, okay, this is what I have in my little handbook. Next thing you have a helmet, you're in practice. Yeah. Just there's no, yeah, to your point, no matter what position is, there is that disconnect. And you can see it. And yeah, it's a poor investment in a $50 million investment in Joe Burrow.

Yeah, who I hope he gets the bag because I love that guy. Who's a quarterback in the league now that you're like, he's mechanically like the cystine Chapel like this guy's a fucking he's a textbook thrower mover in the pocket and then who's a guy who's really effective but you're like golly i can i can't i can't i can't throw him on tape from my guys yeah it would be joe burrow is the first one so i've been working with joe since his junior year college um and what we've done is just taking momentum out of his game so even if even ls u joe went nuts and you know had the best year we've ever seen um he did not use the ground move and his arm's gotten, I would say, 25% more velocity. And we track it. We'll use,

I have a chip in a ball with Wilson. I have a partnership with Wilson. So we put it, we chip in the ball. We look at three data points. So one is velocity. One is spin rate. So RPMs. And velocity is just miles per hour. And then spiral efficiency. It's an algorithm and it's nerdy. But basically, a hundred is a perfect spiral. And one is like a helicopter. And so we can monitor those things. And then I use a lot of 3D motion capture, the company called Biometric. And so we're able to actually like see the root cause of things. And so we just start with the body and how you move and we start literally from the ground up.

How do you use the ground? And so what's happened with Joe is when I watched Joe and we work throughout the year, we're really looking at inefficient movements. And maybe it's like just on a, you know, maybe it was a complete and it was a dime. But like where are the inefficiencies coming up? Where are we losing stability? And so I look at a quarterback. We've got to do three things.

We got to start in a place of stability. Most these guys are in gun. We have to have an efficient first movement, and that means different things based off what that movement is. And then we have to maintain stability throughout the movement. So whether that's three and a hitch, five in a hitch, play action, RPO, the bubble screen to the right, are we actually maintaining stability throughout the movement? And so honestly, like draft training, I get these guys for like work-wise, about two and a half months.

I take the ball out of their hands the first two weeks. We learn how to move. And how we move is I put force in the ground to create leverage. to push my hips in the direction I want to go. And that plays out in every single position. That's force through the ground. That's O line. That's like O line. Being in your in steps and driving your force through the ground and generating power.

Now I'm thinking about Joe Burrough. It's also golf. Hitting darts outside the numbers. You know what I mean? That's where he excels right now. He's dominant outside the numbers. And that's all arm's training. Where he excels to me.

And I'm out of class right now, I'm out of my depth. But like, and I'm glad he trained him because I want to compliment him. because as a defensive lineman, I watch his pocket mobility and the efficiency with which he moves in the pocket. And when he first came out, I was one of the first people to say this. And people called me crazy.

He reminds me of Tom Brady. You know, because Tom Brady, like watching Tom Brady move in the pocket and there's no wasted movement, he's always from a position to strength. And Joe's athletic as fuck. Like he can get out and run and tuck it. But he doesn't, it just every, these subtle shifts and like his eyes are always,

he's downfield it's like watching a magician work back there when he's he everything he does there's no wasted movement and i'll challenge anybody watching this pull find me a clip and add me on twitter where you can find him without two hands on the ball yeah he's fucking he's it's like you won't find it he's the perfect like marriage of like perfect technique but also just he's got that dog you know like he's a technician well what i said about confidence yeah no that's he he's right there at the time i'm not going to rank him because i were with a couple of guys at his level I ain't ranking, but they know the ranking. They are ranked number one.

They show up because Joe showed up. They're like, hey, you know, I get to work with Jordan and Joe Barros. Yeah. Well, that does. So who's a guy that you're like, well, fuck. I can't teach what he's doing. Well, this isn't a knock because I think he's going to be the number one pick. But Bryce Young is a guy where I see elite playmaking, complete control.

You know, Matt Jones played when he was a true freshman. But honestly, had Bryce played that year, he would have had. the same year. He was ready. He's going to be, worst case in Nario, the second pick in the draft, right? And I think he's a stud. And he's tiny, right? He's, whatever he is, 510, 185.

So he's too small to play. And he's still going to be the first second pick, and he's got a Heisman. So he's an unbelievable player. I've been around since he was a little kid. But I see an opportunity to change his game. I don't work with him. And it's not a knock or anything because, again, he's an unbelievable player. But there is,

it's not even a right or wrong. good or bad. It's is that necessary. Yeah. Right. Like the way you put your hand on that tackle, Chris, was that necessary? Or could you have been more efficient? And did you not add a step? Right? Simply a false step, but any inefficient movement. And so once you see it, like when I sit down with new clients, we sit down, I show them and I'll compare them to a couple players. They can't unsee it. And so they go, so that's why guys, if I get an hour and a half with guys, they go, all right, how do we deals. Yeah. You know what I mean? Because they, I show them themselves. And again, it's not right or wrong, good or bad, because I just named the Heisman trope winner who's going to be the

number one pick in the draft and have a great NFL career. But I think that he's a guy that comes in mind where I go, there's an opportunity to remove inefficiencies, and it really comes down to using momentum. And the problem is, is a lot of guys, they want to be in rhythm. And so they associate momentum with rhythm and being on time and all that. But they're two separate things in my mind. Richardson, how much efficiency is there to add to his game and thus how high is his ceiling? Because, I mean, count me in the camp that would take a fucking flyer on that guy. Yeah, I've only been around him a little bit. I've watched him a little.

It seems super efficient. I mean, athletically, I mean, that's like a creative player. Yeah, he's built for battle. Yeah, I just think his evolution is just going to be playing the game. hasn't played a ton. That has hurt guys in the past. There's guys who haven't played a lot that didn't hurt. Guys in the past, I would argue it's helped some guys. No bad habits. I don't know, at least positionally, like a position player, some guys who are raw, they don't have bad habits. And I think with those guys it comes down to is how are they going to handle the adversity and the scrutiny and all that? Because if you have to learn how to get good at quarterback,

I don't think the NFL's too late to learn that, right? If you haven't played a lot. But the guys who aren't built to take all that shit and just work through it. Yeah. You know, um, those are the guys in trouble. So I think of Mitch Trubisky didn't play a lot in college, but then the magnitude of Chicago and the pressure and all that stuff, it ended up probably being more than, then he was ready for at that time. And maybe he's ready now, but at that time he wasn't.

Um, you know, Trey Lance had like 300 and something attempts in college. Brock Purdy had 1400. Yeah. So like, you know, I'm not comparing two players. but I am comparing their experience heading into the league. So would you take a flyer on Lance? I know teams just today. As a free agent right now?

Yeah, teams today are talking about trading for him because San Francisco obviously, you know, like trying to go in a different direction. Do you see enough there that you're like, I could I could work with this guy? 100%. Yeah, it just takes the, it's what's the comp, right? So I'm making it up.

I don't do the GM thing. I don't know that whole world. But like, let's say, let's say it was a fifth round pick for him. I'm just making up a thing. Do you like Trey Lance better or do you like the guys who are going to be available potentially in the fifth round this year? That's how I'd look at it. Right.

And so I don't know who's going to be there in the fifth, but like, do I like him more than that with this experience and just experience of having money and being scrutinized and being a part of NFL teams and seeing how it works? But one of the things that's really valuable about Trey, not going to show up physically for him is that he's been a part of a winning organization who does things correctly. Yeah. Right. And the guy who's going to start there, Sam Darnold, has not yet been a part of an organization who does things the right way. The right way and has built a winning culture. He's had like four head coaches in five years,

five coordinators in five years. Sounds like the Bears in the mid-20s. I watched it happen with Sam Bradford, one of my good buddies. And, you know, like obviously he got pummeled. And, you know, like but the turnover of coordinators and schemes like it was hard enough as a defensive player as all those coaches cycled through there it's got to make your head spin as a quarterback yeah i mean these guys the real guys are thinking ball all year right it's like they may be in the home chilling or whatever in february and march but like they're thinking about stuff so are you thinking about how you're learning the new offense or like what's josh allen and patrick my home's thinking about this offseason yeah like little tiny wrinkles josephs i'm thinking about a lot

there's off season we tell you yeah but but they're like offensively they're thinking about like little tiny details and minutia that's like going to advance that they're not learning the system and so it's just a huge advantage when you're heading into your third fourth eight ninth year in a system at quarterback particularly so we touched on bryce young um obviously size is a factor do you think height is is is as big a factor as they make it seem like some shorter guys i see throw and I'm like they're not good at finding windows and then some shorter guys are like really good at manipulating the pocket to be able to find those windows to make those throws what are the toughest throws to make for a shorter quarterback and how do you do you know I don't know what the word would be

supplement but how do you overcompensate for that issue yeah so I think part of it is efficiency of movement it's the subtle we've all seen Drew Bree's slide to his left a foot and get a throw off Like it's not like he jukeed a guy and landed over here and ripped one across his by. It's the subtle movement, right? This game's played in a five-yard box. Some would argue a three-yard box. And it's how efficiently can you move and get the ball out and stay on time. But I think underneath stuff, shallow crosses, checkdowns, it's harder to find.

To be honest, I don't know what it's like to be short. I'm 6'5. I had a hard time seeing. Not a problem. Many of us have you. I don't know. I had a hard time seeing. I played with Whitworth and, you know, these guys are taller in me.

So these D-Ns are huge. long and they jump and so um shit chase daniels figured it out yeah he does yeah what i here's what i would take i would not take a short guy who doesn't have a shitload of reps in college oh yeah that's interesting because like a short guy who hasn't played a whole lot who can throw it a mile and is really fast and there's really smart it has all these like tangibles that you you like have they done in games like can does that play out rock pretty's a perfect example short guy right 1400 or something like it

attempts in college so you say it's the big 12 and it doesn't matter I disagree because he's figured out how to find completions you know at a high level consistently over a long period of time that's interesting and then the other thing with you know being a number one pick

obviously your team's not very good that's how you get there and quarterback I feel really bad for those guys because a lot of times the coverage bear the O lines fucked up you know, Bryce, Young, he's probably going to end up in Carolina. If you're a rookie quarterback

with all that expected of you, I know you hadn't been in that situation, but, you know, and talking to your brother and, like, coaching these guys, what do you think is the number one thing, like, or one and two things that you need to make a guy comfortable

that people might not think about, you know, just so he doesn't get hit into, you know, he doesn't get shell-shocked He doesn't throw the ball 40 times a game. Things like that. What are you doing to make a quarterback comfortable schematically and then from personnel standpoint? I think there's three things the rookies got to be able to do on each play

and the checklist, so to speak, right? Like you leave the house and you're like cell phone, wallet, keys, you know, whatever. One, you've got to have a plan versus pressure. And so you break the huddle. There's a lot of things to look at. And the more you stare at a safety, the more they move to where they're not going to end up, right? So you guys are veterans, Chris, you're one of the best to do it on defense.

And so they got to have a plan versus pressure. I got to know what their issue is. And they may install nine protections. They're running three. You know what I mean in a game, right? And so and the other ones are going to run is some play action where they're not going to have an issue anyways. Or a check.

In Chicago. 22, 23 Haas. Like, that's what we're running. Let's go, baby. Four down to the mic. You know what I mean? Yeah. And so you got to have a plan versus

pressure too you got to understand your progression like that's a memorization thing that's not how good you are at football you got to memorize that shit yeah um and then you got to be okay with make a play like if it's not right back there good things don't happen when we sit back there and like pat and wait and wait and wait and wait and stuff doesn't happen there put pressure on the defense move uh if you can move and attack on a scrimmage and and then the overarching theme here is like you just it's the best year you're going to get and Trevor Lawrence is the perfect example of this I trained Trevor and had a lot of conversations with him about this as rookie year, is this is the best reps you're going to get because there's a chance of not having a lot of success early.

It's the best reps you're going to get at taking all this negative feedback and making a decision as an adult now that I actually don't give shit about it. I'm not even going to use it as fuel, right? That's giving it power. I'm literally not going to give a shit what these people say. What a get back he had. Yeah. Bounce right back out of it.

It's just like it never happened. Oh, Dougie P. Man, he came right on time. Not to go down the Urban Meyer Road, but I felt bad for Trevor. Because you can't control who drafts you. I mean, the surroundings you enter could be chaos, and that's what it seemed like it was.

How about Will Levis? I'm being funny, but I'm not being funny. Is he too fucking jacked? Is it possible to be too tight in the pocket? You know, like I saw the pictures of him, the transformation he made, and he looks great. He looks like you'd be Mr. Olympia.

Looks like a top earner on only fans right now. Yeah, people just line it up to watch of eat mayo. Just like a bunch of protein heads. All right, so what, so what do you make of guys and like how much they need to lift? And like, is there a point where you're like, this guy's a little bit too muscular? Honestly, it doesn't come up a lot. You know what I mean?

I worked with the last four months with Will. So it doesn't come up a ton. where like that's not a thing you know what I mean like oh quarterbacks aren't like damn this guy's getting tight does he have too many abs does our left tackle have too many abs because in baseball you know like in baseball you know that you pump the you pump the weights too hard is rotational sport yeah you get stiff you get a little stiff you know I was I'm doing boxing now just starting and good and the guys like hey you know glad you warned I'm like yeah

I'm just going to walk around but uh no I did but like the guys like, yeah, we might want to, you know, tamper down the weights a little bit. You know, like there's certain movements that, yeah, you know, like, and I wonder how much of that is even talked about. It doesn't sound like it is. Just, hey, creatine away, Willie. Well, I think one, it's, it's kind of how his body is, right? Like, if he didn't take care of himself, he'd have veins in his arms, right? And that's not true for everybody, but it's not that he's a skinny little dude who trains like that, and that's why he's like it. He loves the weight room. He loves the weight room. He's a football guy.

So he loves that stuff. But it's really, everything's about loading lines attention. How do we utilize leverage and how do we load lines attention? So, you know, Will, one of the things that he wanted to work on and teams wanted to see him get better at was just control of the football. And that's really layering, touch, with accuracy. And I've been through that with guys. You know, Josh Allen, working on his junior year and he's still today. and he lives down the street for me now here in the off-season.

You know, with Josh, you know, he completed 54% of his passes in college. And his first two years were rough. And we had that COVID off-season where for eight months, there was no off-season. And so me, him and Sam Donald and Kyle Allen were finding random parks to throw at because everything was shut down. And it was able to just, like, kind of find a breakthrough and really find his stroke. And there's a lot of contributing factors to that. But it was a metric of time. because he had a fast fastball,

and so he threw his fastball as many times as he could. And when you get to the league, I would say that's Josh's third most utilized throw is the fastball. He layers and touches more than anything. And that's what he, you know, it's like a golfer. Like when we're shitty at golf, when we golf in the 90s,

you got a shape shot. We just care about getting off the T-box, right? But like, you want to go get your card. This game's inside of 150 yards. And so, you know, Josh's favorite club went from a driver to a three wood, to a seven iron. So now it's like, you know,

his eight iron and his wedges game is money. And so with Will, it's just loading lines attention and how we use leverage. And so whether somebody's tight or somebody's sloppy or somebody's weak, I've had some weak guys,

I would much rather have Will Levis than somebody who is not really connected or weak, or just kind of sloppy and doesn't really manage that side of it. So I don't see it as a problem. When guys' biceps get too big, you want elongated muscles.

That becomes a problem. But he's jacked, but it's not like he's all biceps. So he's all ass and core. And he works at it. He doesn't do the bodybuilder lips. He's got a very strong core. A lot of this comes down to non-contact injuries too. A lot of it comes down to how do they actually recruit their glutes when they change direction,

when they decelerate. So many, every player I get out of college for draft training, which is interesting because when I get somebody for draft training, that's that college's finished product. Like they can't say if we had a fifth year, we would, we have a fifth year, with him he'd be different right everybody's quad dominant so these college strength programs they get these guys out they don't utilize their glutes and not to get too nerdy but they're all quad dominant and so that's one of the backside chain going do you got to get that backside chain brother posterior can't shoot a cannon you can't shoot a cannon out of a canoe that's what they say that's that what they

say yeah bro that's why you train your back and your lats i wanted to ask you about uh mac jones and bill o'brien uh and if you think that marriage is going to work out uh do you think that you know That's enough to make Mac happy. Because I got to be honest, it's easy to be like this petulant little child. People don't like his facial expressions. I don't like it when he kicks people. They're kicking people. Yeah.

Well, that's a Brady thing too now. So I don't want to hear all that. He's the goat. Brady's the goat of slide tackling people. Supermodels, bro. Well, yeah. But here's my question is like, is this, do you blame Mac for being pissed off about last year? And do you think that Bill O'Brien's going to fix things?

and be a good fit. I do not blame Mac, and I think that Billy O.B. is going to totally fix it. And it's not so much about, I don't think it has a whole lot to do with Mac. I mean, they asked a defensive coordinator to be the office coordinator,

but not really to be the office coordinator. We're not going to give them a title. I don't want to get too into, you know, I got guys a different team. The whole line coach situation is baffling, too. And so it was one of those, not to like who said what, but like there was a lot of uncertainty

in the Patriots. the whole off season of who was doing what and how was it doing. And if that wasn't Bill Belichick as the head coach, there would have been a lot more questioning going on, right? He gets a long leash, right? But they were, I mean, I got guys on other, all the other three AFC East teams that were like, dude, these guys are so predictable.

It was a bad offense. And Bill O'Brien is, I mean, one of the better football minds in football, who don't realize, like when he was in Houston, He was the head coach and the GM and the office coordinator. And, like, and Deshaun Watson came into that league and didn't have a bad game for five years. You know what I mean? As a rookie.

And so, and Mack has had success with him. He had success at Bama with Billy L.B. And so I think it's going to be exactly what Mac wanted. I don't think he's a petulant child. I saw everything I needed to see on Mack Jones when he, as a rookie, Tom Brady and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers come into Foxborough, mega, mega moment. Sunday night game and he went toe to toe. And Brady won the game and, you know, they ran out of time and Max, I remember they cut to Mac on the sideline if they, whether missed the field goal or got a third downstop, you know, the other quarterback's like warm it up in case they get

that last drive. And you can see it in Max's face. Like, we're going to go down and I'm going to beat Tom Brady. And after that night, I was like, I'm good. I don't care about stats. They got their guy. They just need to build it around him. And then I just, I think it was a bunch of four decisions last year and some reaches. And so write the ship, bring in Billy O. And I think New England's going to be really good. I couldn't, I don't know the receivers and all that stuff, but I think they're going to run a good efficient offense. They're not going to be predictable. And Mack is accurate and knows how to get the ball out of his hands. Yeah, I like Mack Jones. I actually think he's going to be pretty. I still think he's good. You know, it's funny, like the, the, the, him and Tua kind of like

Bama guys, and then, you know, comparing those two. And it was like the first year, Mack had the better set up, Tua had kind of a coach that didn't fuck with him, then Tua had a coach to fuck with him and a ton of weapons. Then Mack had a DC and a special teams guy telling him where to throw the football. And it's just been like they've been on different planes. And hopefully next year you get to see both those players in the AFC East with loaded cupboards or at least closer to that with Mac. And you get to really, you know, actually this league is amazing how there's so many factors that go into your success or fail. No question. No question. Also how each division changes every year. So So think about this.

Going into last year, the NFC West was the best. You got the Rams coming off with Super Bowl. You got Kyler Murray and Cardinals are supposed to be really good. Right. Seattle was the one we're like, we're not really sure. And San Fran was the number one or number two seed, right? And so they got Jimmy G going into the year and all that stuff, right?

This year, it's Sam Fran and the Rams are terrible. Like, Arizona is the 32nd best situation in the league right now. Seattle's in a rebuild. and now look at the AFC East. Miami is loaded. New England is New England. They have to have five bad years before I stop saying that they don't have a chance. Exactly.

Right? The bills are the bills and the jets are getting to Aaron Rogers and loading up at Whiteout. Are they though? They will. The AFC East is now the best division of football. It's crazy. No, it is. The Hebs and Flows, man.

And in division, it's like an arms race, like oftentimes with position players. Like, oh, this guy's giving us trouble. like George Kittle arrives in the NFC West. You've got Steve Kahn drafting like Isaiah Simmons. You've got all these chess moves, you know, for guys that you've got to see twice a year that are interesting and dictates personnel sometimes. So, okay, so Will Levis puts the core and quarterback.

I want to talk to you about other quarterbacks that train pretty hard. A guy that we cross-pass with Jay Culler in Chicago, he lifted his ass off in Chicago. And more often than not led the strength like, Well, that's a really interesting juxtaposition to the guy ripping heaters, you know? And I was going to ask earlier, the one guy that like maybe the best quarterback of all time that lived like the people he was describing that usually can't take it to the field. You know, like if you're doing X in your personal life, you're doing, you know, like Jake

Cutler was in the streets, man. He was, he was just a regular. I think he was probably in the streets because he was trying to get Brandon Marshall to come home. Was he? I just felt like Jay lived his life irregularly. relative to a normal quarterback and that's why he's a really interesting case. Let him full life. The stories you told me about him pretty interesting.

He was an interesting, interesting dude. I hung out with him. He's one of the most fascinating teammates that ever had. Yeah, seriously. I've hung out with him. He guys fucking handsome devil guy. The last time I saw he was in New Orleans,

he had like a P coat on. He looked like an actor. You know, he's easy. Why don't people understand Jay Culler? Yeah, what do we, what do we have to, how do we understand Jay Culler? Jay was never interested in people understanding him. There you go.

That's it. That's it. So I met Jay. We were counselors at the Elite 11 when he was a senior and I was a junior in college. Yeah. And then his now ex-wife, Kristen Cavalari, she's from where I'm from. Yeah. And so he was never interested in being understood, I don't think, and I love it.

Yeah. I would not train a quarterback to behave and act like Jay, but I absolutely respected it. And I thought it was him. And he's a perfect example of what I said because, yeah, he was in the streets. And he'd also bounce around back there and whip one sidearm or car. He was a dog on the field. Like he was a dog and he talked that shit too. He also was a guy who was like Kyle said and Kyle would notice better anybody,

but like, dude, he's strong as shit, right? But he was not cool looking with the shirt off. He wasn't Jack. No. He was just, he was just really strong. Type 1 diabetic. You know, he's got like an insulin pump in his little beer belly. And he's, you know, he's got the trainer coming out for timeouts to give him insulin.

Then he's going back out there and fucking people up. You know what? Getting booed. It'd be really good. They hate you here. a really good documentary. Jay Cutler documentary. And also,

the other thing too about Jay, so, you know, Kyle, you mentioned he was a type one diabetic. I would argue that, that Jay, if he were to have a conversation

with a doctor who studies diabetes, he can go toe to toe and understands every single element of the disease. He is super smart. He's like Peyton in that regard where he reads everything.

He's going to come with facts and he hopes and challenge him. And his ex-wife, Kristen, she's got two. three cookbooks. My wife, I'm married to the healthiest person on the planet. She cooks out of Kristen's books. So there's also the element of when he was married, he learned a lot about nutrition. You remember he'd be drinking like weird mushroom teas? We're like, what are you

drinking? And he would totally explain what this. And now I've learned over time, but like, no, this is Ashwaganda and this is what it is. And when he was on his anti-vax campaign. I don't leave house. I don't leave the house without my adaptogens. I really don't. I'm in the morning. I'm in there like a fucking thing. And you know who understood it. You know who's fucking adaptogens they are that I take? Jake Plummer. Jake Plummer. I take Jake Plummer's mushrooms.

That's amazing. He's the homie, too. He looks great. Plummer is the man. Plummer and Jay, color and Jake are actually pretty similar. Yeah, yeah. I remember a Christmas card from Jake Plummer a long time ago,

full beard, long hair, close up, and he had a siggy hanging out of his mouth, and it just said Merry fucking Christmas. It was great. I was like, this is the best Christmas card I've ever seen. He's so cool. Cool, man. He's a really nice guy. I got to meet him after my career. A lot of quarterback talk and draft coming up. I can't wait to see the drama, the tradeups, tradebacks. This guy knows as much to anybody, Jordan Palmer. Appreciate the time. It's really good to officially meet you,

man. Yeah, man. We want to do Kyle and I, Kyle Allen and I have a podcast. We've got a big announcement this week, too. We're finalizing a partnership that's going to really shift what we're doing but uh yeah we've we've talked about doing some co-labs so maybe we're talking about doing something together yeah no doubt that he's got a great bedside manner you just got to keep him fed and you got to get him out of the building quick yeah he comes in the building to go play video games you know what i'm saying you know about 90 minutes in he's like oh i got my bong is calling my name oh man that was a lot of fucking fun dude i appreciate it we appreciate it we appreciate you bro yeah it was awesome yeah we'll get you guys we'll get you back on again it's up dude it'll be fun okay all right thanks guys

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Cost per application pricing, not available for everyone. Need to hire, you need indeed. All right, guys. Before we get to read around the world, our softball team's pretty good. We're not getting ahead of ourselves. We won two in a row. We're on a winning streak.

Two in a row, we're surging. We felt we've, it was looking bleak for us in like the third inning when Chris and I are talking to each other at first and second base. I'm like, Tom can't throw trucks right now. Tom was having trouble with his control. Now I think. But we've been there before us pitchers, so we didn't want to ride him too hard about it. He had hit the group text about getting stone before the game.

Yeah. And, you know, he just couldn't find the strike zone. And I'm back there thinking like he's our, who was the guy that was on acid? He's our Doc Ellis. Anyways, the bats came alive. We were just hitting singles, little piss missiles here. We had an umpire situation, didn't we, Chris? Well, we did.

We also had a triple play. We had an infield fly. Here's a great strategy in softball. Yeah, how great is that? If there's ducks on the pond and you get a pop fly hit to you at second base or shortstop or third base or pitcher, drop the ball because no one knows what to do. Force somebody to make a decision. The guys start running because they think it's a force.

Oh, damn, go back. Yeah, and we got them all. That's what he said, right? But how about, I don't know if you guys heard it. Did it twice last night. I don't know if you guys heard it jokingly before it happens. I go, here we go guys, let's get this triple play. Yeah, well, not how you thought.

thought about it. And Kevin started dying laughing. And I started laughing. And literally, that's what happened. Exactly what happened. We had zero out into a triple play. That was the turning point because we were down for nothing. And then, you know, we did that.

The bats came alive. We were the classic team that we got our big win and we came out flat. You know, I'm flat coming off of the bachelor party. I'll admit it. I thought I was going to pull a muscle last night. But we fought through it. And we ended up on top and we're two and three. We're in the day.

With a big. was I think top four inning. We had 11 runs. What really turned it was when we were coming to the bat top three, Chris was holding all the bats going into the dugout as we're coming off the field and said, wake them up, wake him up. Mike Cochran and Chris were on the bat wake up.

Yeah, we were trying to wake y'all up. Then we have two broken bats. Chris broke one, he shattered one. It was like the natural. Well, he broke the scoreboard. He hit the lights out. Yeah. So anyways, I just, before we move on from softball, oh, yeah, before we move on. Okay, hit us. Can I be constructive a little bit?

Critical or constructive? Are you going to be critical or constructive? You got to pick it up at second base, man. I had two errors last night. He plays hard. I'll give it to him. Chris plays hard. You know, honestly, if I'm being on, if I'm being honest, last night I'd have my best night in the field. I dropped a ground ball, and I missed that pop-plight. Which turned to a triple play. The ball was being in a lot. If I could be constructive, if I could be constructive, if I could be constructive, can you not ground into a double play every week?

Bates' legs had to be exhausted. He hit little dinkers to the third base in a whole night and had to sprint down the line. You can be honest. I don't think I've been a liability to this point. No, I don't think yesterday it was a liability. And I'll say I'll add on to that. You had a big hit that kept a- talking about at second.

You did fail to cover second base one time. I did. You did. I just wasn't myself. Even though I ground in the second, can we at least before the season is over, can we turn one double play? You really think turn a double play season? No, I don't, but I wanted to happen.

I wanted to happen too. Well, if Tom would get the guy that's 240 to put the ball in play. And I don't want to put anyone out there either. It's like, are we ever going to think about it? pitching change. No, Tom's great. Also, let's do this

because I think someone, by the way they're talking, hurts our pitchers' chances. Why don't you say good pitch after the pitch after he calls a baller's strike? Why are you squatting as a catcher if you're just going to stand up?

So listen, first off, I was doing it like I was because that umpire last night, he was calling balls before they were even getting to the plate so I was trying to you see it on video I was trying he was yelling the illegal like halfway through and I'm just like bro he can't do that wasn't high enough at the apex so because our pitcher was so what if the guy still swings if the guy still swings it's a strike

Scott you get what we're talking no I know but if the guy still strings swings it's a strike regardless illegal cancels it no it doesn't not if you swing bro so that's why I call good pitch The batter. Oh, so you're faking people out. Yes. That's what you're doing. Yes. Every pitch when you stand straight up and go, good pitch.

It's for the batter and the omp. It makes the omp think about it a little bit. And then the batter makes him think about it. Can we get a closer that runs out of the darkness behind left field? Just have him out there. Celebrity closer. No, like, and have him sprint in and we'll have a boom box and play. you know, whatever.

Exit, right, line. Also, I want to do this. Can we ask you guys? Last question. Last question about softball. At the end of the game, a guy slid in the second.

Yeah. Do you slide in softball? I feel like that's a code break. I slide. No, we slide. Mike slid a couple times. Rob slid. Kyle slid.

I think I said, we slide. I think I tried to tell everyone before the season started that I wouldn't be sliding. But I have a couple of times, not going to lie. about it. No, no, no, been directly in the throwing lane going from first to second when

I probably should have moved out the way and I probably did one of these. But I feel like that's better than me sliding and potentially hitting your legs. Yeah. You got to tie Cobb their ass. More importantly, I want to give a shout out to umpires without them. We couldn't do the league. But last night, the umpire was really fucking a dickhead. He was being a dickhead. He was being a dickhead about. I called him loose. Runners about runners. We were respectful to him the whole night,

but he was like, you only get one pinch runner in any. I'm like, we got half the guys are injured. That's like part of the theme of our team. We do not know the rules about pinch runners. And I think we're always wrong, bro. We learn after we're wrong. I think we just don't know the difference. There was a certain point in the game where the guy wanted to go home,

and he went from calling ball every pitch to strike every pitch, and everybody was out. And then he was like, it's four. 14 to 4. He was like, no, they have seven. He was like, get us the fuck out of here. Long. And then we were, the game ends.

I think our first guy made it back to the dugout. And we were like, great game, great game. Lights out. Lights out. We started our interview. Yeah, we anyways. Actually, it'll be right here in the video. So I wanted to know after the softball game last night, how do we shower?

Did we use rags? Okay, so this is the mailbag. Oh, funny. You should ask. This is a very cultural debate here. Guys in locker rooms in the NFL used to have this debate all the time. You know, some guys use a bar of soap. Some guys use body wash.

Some guys... Take pill. Have to have a rag. You know, like one of those little square rags. Yeah. And somebody like Nate will be like, you, you, you, you know, old pink asses. White? Yeah, all use...

Whites. You're not clean. because the whites don't use a little rag. So that's the mailbag question. Yeah. How are you cleaning your ass, bro? With the bar of soap. How are you efficiently cleaning your ass?

Are you putting your finger in your butt? You're holding the bag. See, like, if you say yes? No, that's gross. See, no, it's not. If, like, then how are you cleaning your ass? I tell you, if you'd let me. Okay.

Okay. Irish Spring. I got this fucking. So you're shoving the, bar of soap in your asshole. Charles Barclay said you might lose it. Charles Barclay is using the hotel soap, which is small, dangerously close to it. Too small. Yeah.

Okay. Here's what I'm doing. Irish Spring Sport. Turn it sideways. Why are you doing this with your hands? Because I'm showing you, turn it sideways. So you're Nelly tip drilling your ass with a bar of soap to keep it. I don't know what you mean.

But why are you sexualizing this whole process? Because Nellie in a music video, he ran a credit card through a girl's. Yes, I'm running the credit card. Oh, decline, decline, decline, decline. Back. You're not clean, bro. You're talking about the butt hole? I'm doing, I'm actually doing what you're trying to do. I'm cutting out the middleman.

Middleman rag. You know, like ultimately what you're trying to do is get the soap onto the skin and or the butthole. And what I'm doing is I'm taking the soak to the butthole. You're using a middleman. Your rag, after you fucking rub your asshole with a rag, guess what you're doing? You put it on your face.

Oh, oh, oh. your butt hole chest ass boy oh my god bro what bro whatever whatever floats your boat bro no i'm just telling you i think the shower pill is the most efficient way to do it oh my goodness well you definitely don't have to touch your butt that way yeah you don't man like dude i don't know how you come out of this argument feel like you want it bro like like it's not about winning or losing it's not about winning it's not about winning or losing would you argue that if you think you're clean that way, then you think you're clean. That's fine.

Would you argue that if you brought a scrubber in? There's probably multiple ways to clean your body, guys. What about a scrubber? Do you think I want one of those things that you can scrub with? Yeah? Like a dishwasher. You should have wanted. Just go get it, bro.

Is that weird, though? Like if you saw me in the NFL locker room with a dish. With some dial soap? No, with like a dish tool. In my ass. And then you're like, oh, you towel guys. You're not really. God forbid I use my God-given hands to clean my ass.

This was in the news this week. Rachel McAdams joined the armpit hair movement. How do we feel? All the feels. I think there's a fly on the Mona Lisa. Let me just say I don't know how to feel. I think women should do whatever they feel comfortable doing. I don't know how to explain how I feel.

How do you feel? It's a good feeling. It's not a bad feeling. He's 44. Yeah. Looks great. It looks great. Mean girls.

That was like yesterday. I'd let her, I'd let her soap up with some irispring and walk under her armpit like a car walk. Yeah. If, if, okay, I'm not even going to bring it up. There's no problem. I mean, it's no problem. It's attractive because it's confident as fun. Armipid hair is not attractive to me.

But, you know, it's kind of cool. It's different. Yeah. It's something we haven't seen. What? In our generation. Really? Armip hair on girls is not.

It has not. been the norm. Admin a thing. But people like Rachel McAdam stepping out being on magazine covers with it. All the kombucha babes, they don't shave. Yeah, there was like,

you know, one guy wore a dress on a magazine eight years ago and now dudes wear dresses. Perry styles. Started with like David Bowie. Who are the, no, but for our generation. Who are the kombucha babes?

There's just hippies, like hippie, hippie babes. On Twitter the other day, someone asked, who is your most hear me out person. Someone you think low-key is attractive.

Lo-key is attractive or could be like an evil kind of person that you don't want to be attracted to? Easy. Problematically. Easy. I got a few. Okay. Candice Owens. I mean, I got another one.

Stacey Dash. Yeah, Stacy Dash for sure. Like, that's a big one, yep. And, I mean, Another far right. Name one more. This might be different, but there's some perks involved in this choice.

So I'm going to say, Oprah, Martha Stewart. Oh, yeah, no doubt. She looks great for her age. Yeah, you know how she is? You know how old she is? 75. No, it's, it's 80.

81. She's beautiful. But, bro, she can cook. And you know, she brings to the table. Is she cooking here? Does she have like an army of people who are getting paid 10 cents an hour? Whatever.

Fran Dresher. Yeah. Okay. You know, the office did a whole thing about Hillary Swank. There's no doubt she's hot. Right? Right?

No doubt. Yeah. Okay, I'm just making sure. Reed, yeah? Yeah. Nate? We're looking for a confirmation here? Million dollar baby.

Who? Hillary Swank. I need a picture. I'm not good with actresses. My bad. No, you're good. Flank. Hillary Duff.

Yeah, she's a... Yeah, she's really hot. She's a pretty woman. Yeah, yeah, walking down the street. And, um, Kathy Griffin, a young Kathy Griffin. Lois Griffin. Pull her up. Yeah, like news radio, Kathy Griffin.

Yeah, young Kathy Griffin. Yeah. Yeah. Hear me out. I got one for you guys. Guys, guys. Young Kathy Griffin. Oh, I put Peggy Bundy up against Kathy Griffin.

in any day of the week you know hear me out Chris has a type hear me out hear me out uh young Francis McDormand right now hear me out not so much the avatar uh water yes yes yes yes dude did you see the new we were together we might need a check ID I remember after we left that movie I don't know what the rules are I asked you like one of the first questions I asked you was like Like swimming girl. Like the swimming girl. Like swimming girl. Yep.

Young Francis McDormon. Hear me out. Yeah. Tommy Lauren. Yes. Okay, sure. That's like a classic, Hear me out, though,

because she's so radical. Okay, okay, guys. Hear me out. Casey Anthony, when... Oh, no. Keep it going, Kyle. Jen Psycky.

Former press secretary. Okay. Smart. Also Redhead. Yeah, like Bundy. I'm hearing you out. I don't even know how to say this girl's last name. Hear me out.

Dana Loche. Yeah, I'm hearing you out. Oh, fuck. I heard you. Hear me out. Hope Hicks. Trump's. Basically just anybody on O-A-M.

Christy Noam. Marjorie Green did. Hold up. I'm kidding. We're looking for Governor of South Dakota. For strangely hot women, not line back. Alaska, the gal from Alaska.

No, that's not true. That might be his here. Tulsi Gabbard. No. Tulsi Gabbard. No, I'm not in Tulsi Gabbard. But look at Christy Nome. That's my hear me out, Chris.

How have you looked at her in front of that NRA banner? You're not hearing me out. You're pointing at something else. Kyle, you got to hear me. me out first. Who is this? The governor of South Dakota. She's got biceps.

You want to go viral? For what? Pick a mail here, hear me. Okay. Young Steve Bouchemmy. Hey. Young Steve Bouchemmy. Matt's doppelganger.

What was the actor that was in umbrella academy? Oh, the big guy. No. Small guy. Elliot Page. Good show. Umbrella Academy. The other day we were playing golf in Denver, and Russell Wilson flipped his golf card.

Are we out on Russell Wilson driving? What are we, are we nervous of the Denver Broncos seasons? What's happening? I know exactly what happened here. Russ had a marijuana cigarette. This is one of the most marijuana cigarette things to do. Or drunk. Just miss a fucking, there's a big sand hole.

I'm just going to drive into it. Like throwing a pick into cover two. How funny would the. Mugshot have been. No. No. Listen, do you understand, like,

how memorable that is for whoever was there? Yeah. Like to see a golf. Like, to see a golf. To hear and see a golf cart. And whoever ran over to help him, and if they didn't know it was him to be like, hey,

it's Russell. Oh, it's Mr. Unlimited. Yo. Oh, my goodness. He's not contained by pockets or fairways. No.

He just drives wherever he wants. No, usually he has good. pocket awareness. I mean, this is not him, dude. But time out. Marijuana cigarette. Is this like the course, like their like security camera? Like, who took this picture? This is someone from far. This is like the group behind them. They were like, oh, we know Russell Wilson's. This is, yeah. Here, you know what I need AI to do? I need AI to, to, to like make that video real. I want to see the video. Russell Wilson crashing the golf cart. Yeah. I forget the video. I want to hear the audio. I want

hear what he sounds like we're okay man when he was going down like oh oh there's a lot of let's ride jokes there you know and it was at arrowhead golf course no way wow you can't you can't write this stuff yo it's hilarious so uh we saw this week Netflix shut down their DVD service after 25 years

5.2 billion discs they had in their arsenal when was the last time you ordered a DVD from Netflix well i think i did in college and this is weird for people my age i mean like this is the end of uh an era like this was a thing for a while people ordering DVDs in the mail apparently they still did it until yesterday yeah that's wild shout out to the hood i had a lot of a lot of bootleg dvds in my time that not from netflix shout out to the hood the hood gets a shout out so but they probably got Got them from Netflix. The guys, the guys who know how to jailbreak the DVD so you can record them.

Hey, shout out to you guys. I used to jail break my TIA-83 plus. All right. All right. That's a Texas instrument. Yeah. Yeah. Drug wars?

Anything. It's a calculator. You don't really even know about it. That was the game on the TI. You'd be like slinging. Yeah. You can pull your answers in there if you wanted, if you were into that. I'm my honor.

I neither given nor received aid on this test and or exam. Yeah, I'm just saying, like, dudes used to, like, have whole things programmed in the back. I didn't know how to work it.

No, I don't know what you're talking about. So, you know, like, maybe would I have? Sure, maybe. Okay,

uh, here's what's interesting about this. In 1997, Mark Randolph, uh, he was like one of the co-founders of Netflix. This started because he was like, he had a Patsy Klein CD,

and he wanted to, uh, to test whether a, could be delivered through USPS without being destroyed so he sent Patsy Klein to the other guy that started Netflix and and that's how it started like it just read like something out of the 1940s to me that's amazing I want to see if the US Postal Service can manage not to damage a disk 25 30 years later they made I don't know how much money off the companies out of business well here's the

reason I'm not fucking sad they kill Blockbuster yeah you know I'm not No, they kill Blockbuster. This is what killed Blockbusters. To me, this is more like reading about some guy who was a serial killer dying in prison like 20 years later. Like, I don't care, man. I worked at a video rental store in high school. You might remember it.

And I remember when Netflix first came out talking to the owner about it. And he was like, oh, I'm not worried about it. Yeah. Doesn't exist anymore. The word rewind isn't even a thing anymore. Like, remember, you just have to rewind the VHS tapes afterwards. It's like, be kind of rewind. We don't rewind anything.

They just go, go back. Yeah, we scrub. Go back a little. You know, and the 10 second. Yeah, replay. Blockbuster, man, going to rent in a video game, going to rent in a movie. No. Fucking getting some of those, those candies at the front, the sour ropes.

For all the Pokemon lovers out there, blockbuster had the Pokemon snap, like, video console, like the physical game in there. Yeah. And for me, when I was younger, that game was always rented out. Yeah. So it was never available. And you can actually play it in the store. Well, all that got killed by Netflix.

So I'm not worried about these people going out of business when it comes to the DVDs. There was a couple. They had a wedding. They spent $25,000 on it. It's a Harry Potter themed wedding. Yes. For 25 grand. If you were to get married again or if you want to go back in time, what TV show would you pick for your themed wedding?

I think if you wanted a really cool wedding, you'd do like a Star Wars theme wedding in the cloud somewhere. No, you're doing like the EWalk for it. I imagine all the wild animals that would be there that are like alien creatures that would be carrying like children. You sleep inside one of those, those, you know, where Luke Skywalker slept inside one of those animals. And if you wanted a bad wedding, Chris, you go Game of Thrones and you just like have your entire family killed. Yeah, that. And get some good. If you're not sure, maybe you go Game of Thrones red wedding.

Yeah, that's your get out of jail. But no, there's probably a bunch of different, like, scenarios from Game of Thrones are scenes that you can probably do a dope wedding with. Like a feast. Yeah. With the pig of the apple. What about, like, Bear Grills wedding? Oh, yeah.

One. Okay. Squid game wedding. Well, okay. Why? I don't know. This is so beautiful. You get into the wedding and then boom.

Everyone's wearing the same outfit. Everyone's locked in. Everyone's locked in. Nobody can be jealous. A bunch of shit you don't want to do. And the last one's standing. I don't know what they would particularly win. It has to be money.

Oh, I like it. Locked up. You remember the show locked up? Everybody's got to be like in prison. Naked and afraid. Because, you know, it's kind of like marriage. Yeah. I'm just joking.

Marriage is awesome. Naked and afraid. Marriage is like being out on parole. Uh, naked and afraid. Yeah, sure. Fear Factor theme wedding. I thought you would have picked sopranos, Nate. You could do your bachelor party at the Bing.

Oh, that would have been good. Actually, actually, I'm not going to lie. If we're keeping it real, the Bing looked kind of trash. Like, it's more, no, but it was more about the people you go there with. But like for entertainment, I don't know. Oh, no. We saw a video. This is in the Philly area.

Oh, it's the Philly area. The Philly area. A pizza delivery driver stopped a high-speed chase suspect. He parks his car. He's bringing the pizza up to the customer at their house. He sees a car ripped down the street. It almost hits his car. He yells, hell no.

The driver gets out of the car, is running down the street. The pizza guy with the pizza in his hand runs up. They're kind of running perpendicular towards. each other and just swings his leg takes him out and then yells. So there's two cruisers on the scene. The guy is just dipping out right now. Boom. Yeah, I'm giving him four capes, man.

That's a lot of awesome. It does look like the cop in the front had the angle on him and he probably would have got him anyways. But to have the wear with all, by the way, this guy's six foot eight. So he's got a great length. Talk about all guys. Yeah, no, this is like four capes because this guy's a carjacker. He's dangerous.

He could jack another car. Wait, wait, wait. We got to mind our business sometimes. This lady got her pizza and this lady got her pizza and your chicken wings without any issue. I mean, the guys, the guys serve. We have to mind our business sometimes because look, like luckily this happened, but it's just like, worst case to Mary. You a pro carjacker? No, what if that guy has a gun?

And he turns in like this guy who just wants to be a hero, whatever it is. He doesn't want to be a hero. In fact, he said, I don't consider myself a hero, which is another reason he's getting four capes. I consider him a hero not because, you know, he kicked the guy, but because he delivered the pizza afterwards. And the lady was like, do you want to stick around for it? He's like, no. It's a local. It's a local pie, too. He's not like a domino's guy. Yeah, exactly. I mean, the guy's trafficking locals off for Christ saying. But what about what about, what about when the classic incredible scenes happens in this guy that he kicked, he's going to sue him for assault because you just can't do that.

You got to mind your business sometimes. Dude, there's not a judge in America. Hey, man. You're fucking represent this asshole. I don't know that guy's life story. I don't know. He's a hero. I want dedicate this pod to this guy.

What? Pizza man. Pizza Batman. On 420. Don't order some pizza.