Green Light with Chris Long - Bills Comeback AGAIN, Rams Are Automatic + Mahomes’ & Micah Parsons’ Injuries | NFL WK15 Reactions

Episode Date: December 16, 2025

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The Bills can score 40 points in the blink of an eye. I think they're at a crossroads, man. Great teams reinvent the way they play. If you're going to be great for a decade plus, the Patriots morphed into whoever they had to be to win. Packers, leaders, and pass rush wins this season. Micah Parsons got 66 of them. And then 67 go to a combination of Brooks Gary and Ibarre Wyatt Van Nass.

When you talk about seismic, absolutely seismic. The perfect time to start the show. Oh, boy. Nate was like, hey. For you. Did you get around to watching the Jags game yet? Oh, you can say, no. What's wrong?

Oh, it's a Jag. It's a Trevor Lawrence with a Pokemon under it? Yeah, but I mean, it's just like the wig. We just got to display the wig. This is dope. Yeah. Well, I was just saying I didn't get to that game. And there wasn't anything personal.

I know they're, you know, I know they're a wagon. They were down the line. And that's why I have my esteemed colleagues. like you so you can you can tell us what happened i saw trev drop a couple times oh diddy no diddy um nice try ditty that's a i that's what i said when when i saw um those highlights um welcome to welcome to live show for those of y'all who are here you have made it you have passed the test the 2 p.m show that was just some bullshit this is where the real show begins where we moved to 345, like this show's going to be on fire.

This show is going to be so much better. And for the people that were like, yeah, you know what? I don't think I can hang around for that 345 show. Well, you're missing out because we've got some surprises for you today. There's a dog in the building. I was thinking about put him on the show. That's the surprise I'm talking about. Which is something we should do moving forward.

I was thinking dog of the day every Monday. We bring in a dog and put the dog on the podcast. Willie. Yeah, he'll figure it out. Tanner, go get Willie. What if one Monday, how about, how about, what if one Monday? What? We really surprised a guess if we do this.

Yeah. And we get Snoop Dog. Oh, that'd be incredible. I think I could do that, too. That's my buddy. The dog. The dog. Welcome to the reaction show.

I'm here with my esteemed colleagues. As mentioned, Dr. Fax. You're. Nolan. Cowboy Reed went to go get the dog. Tanner's behind the machines. Charlie's beyond the machines. So, welcome to the biggest sausage fest in sports media.

Just a bunch of dudes in here. And one more dude. Come here, Willie. Dog of the day. Willie, get in the picture, big dog. Bring him over here and show him to the crowd. Dog of the day, Willie. Willie.

Willie. Willie, Willie. Willie, Willie. Willie. Willie. Willie. Look at Willie. He's such a good boy.

He likes footballs. He likes footballs. He likes the James River. Look at him. Look at him. Yeah. That a baby, Willie. Does your other favorite show have a dog of the day on Monday?

I don't think they do. Willie's going to hang out until somebody gets to leave. Until he gets distracted. But yeah, welcome to the show. Welcome to the show. That was a wild day. We saw some heavyweight matchups. We saw some comebacks.

Willie's still getting after the football. We love it, Willie. We saw history. Who made history? Trevor Lawrence made history. Did he? Six touchdowns, 51 yards rushing. Incredible.

As a QB, five passing, one running. That's incredible. It's amazing. It was an incredible day for Trevor Lawrence, and I can't wait for you to tell us about it. In the section of the show that features Wins Over the Jets. No, I mean, I think it was a great win. Trevor Lawrence looks fantastic right now.

He does. But it's in the flyovers for a reason. No offense to the, you know, last week we put him first up. It's not going to happen two weeks in a row. You know, and that's just, that's on the schedule makers facts. Yeah, yeah, I know. I know. It's all good.

Yeah. Hold on two seconds. Yeah. Duva! Willie's like, what the fuck? He's going to blast one of these cameras. Yeah. I have a dog named Willie as well, but my dog eats his own shit and barks at the door every Sunday afternoon at about 4.05 p.m. through the first half of the late slate there. Willie, you're a good boy, man. A little emotional support on a Monday afternoon. Okay. So we're going to start with a little high school football action because it's that time of year. It is high school playoffs.

state championships going on across the country, depending on what state you live in. You might be able to catch one. I just love the wacky endings of these games because it's the biggest stage, but it's still high school football, which, of course, is the only amateur football still being played. Let's pull up...

We'll do the Florida State Championship. This is the... Looks like the Rams versus another. team. But they, this is one of the, this is one of the Hail Marys. Oh yeah, I love a good Hail Mary. This is the most unique Hail Mary I've ever seen. Nice thing about this is we can actually show you unlike NFL footage unless it's been pulled from the internet. No? No, is it working to load. Oh, we must be struggling with the internet here today or something like that. All right, hold on. Never mind.

We're not going to show you in high school football. Fuck me, right? Damn. Yeah, damn. That's crazy. Maybe show the other one. All right, let's try the other one. Try the other one.

Try door number two. All right, so this one is the Louisiana State Championship. Okay, Louisiana State Championship. Maybe you've got too many tabs open. It's possible. You know, X and XX does eat up a lot of... Oh, we had it. What?

All right. So this is Shaw and St. Charles in New Orleans, and that's not going to play either. But I'm going to summarize both things. The first one was a Hail Mary where one of the teams threw it as far as they could, and predictably it was short of the goal line. And it was like pissing rain. I mean, it was raining hard out there down in Florida. And the guy caught the ball like four yards before the goal line.

He's getting mob tackled by five, six future state champions or so they think. and somebody runs up behind him and he just hands the guy, the ball, and he runs in unabated touchdown. They win the state championship. Talk about crushing. It doesn't get much worse than that, except if you are one of...

Here we go. Oh, here we go. No. I would say let's just abandon the multimedia. You know? We did have less time to get this thing loaded up. So what happened in the other state championship, game down in New Orleans and this is kind of wild.

There was one team kneeling down on it basically at this point. And dude takes his helmet off. And many of you have probably seen this. He's he's high-fiving people like he's walking up and down the end zone, like the front row of the end zone. And he's high-fiving all these fans and shit with his helmet off. And so they flag him. I think I have this right.

And because of the flag, they actually have to punt the football. and it's a terrible punt. It goes out of bounds. Did it not? I don't know. I don't know. It's in the video somewhere. But you end up with a kick to win.

A high school kicker kicking the ball in the Superdome to win the damn state championship. It was just a wacky highlight. Hollow Man, that guy that walked off the field. I know there's some people that say, I know there's some people that say, hey, you don't make that call, but you also don't walk off the field and high five every. buddy in the hands before the game's over. You gotta keep the lid on. You gotta keep the lid on.

When you watch pro football, they kind of call it up there. Probably gonna call it at the high school level. In high school, I don't know if you've seen it, this is funny. If you follow Little Duval, a Jacksonville high school, they beat Teddy Bridgewater's old school

from North Florida, I mean from North Miami and the state champion. And it was just funny following Little Duval, like talking trash with their fans and people, and they're, like, making, like, rap battles, like, songs to the championship, like, towards, like, the losers. And it's just a funny.

That's really got a sting. It's a funny thing going back to a while. Somebody makes a rap paddle. Yeah. But the coaches, supposedly, like, the coaches, they made, like, a rap song first. Oh, that's great. And so it was, like, that's great, man. They were just so sure they were going to win.

Yeah. And they didn't win. And so now they got us. So the coaches are dissing the other coaches? Other coaches and other, yeah, the team. Oh, man. that's Florida huh Florida Florida man and then the other one is I have an America's team for you the America's team is Villanova football Villanova football which of course is a you know we're

not like a Homer Philly pot or anything but it is fun to see Villanova in the in the in the in the playoffs donning the dog mass now I don't know if we're going to have multimedia on this thing but here's a still shot should work this is this is Nova rocking the dog They are bringing the dog masks out. I guess they're underdogs. Hell yeah. They're underdogs. The catch of the 12 C, they've been on a hell of a run in the national playoffs. They were down in Stevenville, Texas, at Tarleton State this weekend. They beat the Texans. This is a defensive coordinator, Ross Penny Packer, walking off the field. My sources here tell me if this picture had audio, the dogs were barking. They were barking. They were barking. Hell yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so they had dogs on the pod today. Yeah, yeah. So the cats, big win for the cats.

And they have the national semis on Saturday, home, Villanova, Illinois State. Look at them. 7.30 p.m. Look at them. That's unreal. Awesome. That's unreal. And they're the same masks, huh?

Pretty much. Yeah. The same vendor on Amazon. Probably. Probably. Not seeing any white poodles. They must have been a little better prepared than I was. Or whatever the fuck you wear.

That's the stuff of nightmares, whatever you wore. Yeah, that's creepy one. for sure. That was creepy. The cats, look out for the cats, man. Look out for the cats. Catch them Saturday night. ESPN 2.

The undercats. Illinois State. Would you rather be an undercat or an overdog, read? Overdog all day. Me and Bo Necks hanging out in the overdog lounge. I could not believe it when he dropped that line, dude. He had all you Broncos fans been like, yeah, that's cool as fuck. Cool as cool as shit.

Okay, Sunday night football. But first, we've got our best flight and worst flights. We're going to start the mentions right now as we started last week. We'll go around the room real quick. Bo, who's your best flight? Hmm, you know what? I'm going to say best flight for the Chargers. Get a big AFC division win, but also, you know,

kind of knock the chiefs off of that pedestal and the AFC and go home. And, you know, you're in a good spot. So best flight is Chargers. Not too long of a flight either from Arrowhead. It's good, my. What you got, bro? Best flight. My man, nine on his way home from Dallas, watching himself gritty into the end zone.

Looking sweet for a touchdown. After a week of just slanderous stuff talked about him online, has to feel good. Taking that flight home, just watching highlights and scoring touchdowns. J.J. McCarthy on doing the gritty dances he crossed the goal line. I did it in practice, and I was told not to. do it. So just me being who I am, it's like, oh, okay, now I'm more excited to do it. Kevin O'Connell on not liking the celebration. The finish, I would not classify as special. It's entertaining, but I would have preferred him to show that 40 time like he does, like he likes to talk about.

Oh, I like that little challenge there. Yeah, I don't, I mean, my son's going to be like college age soon in the near future. And whatever fucked up dance people are doing at that point, my kids gonna be doing it and i just don't love seeing it i just don't love seeing it i think you leave that to the guys with rhythm and uh who are actually cool as fuck and let the receivers do it um but j j mccarthy that was a lot better that was a great performance i'll go uh best flight i was gonna go bills because short flight you know the whole thing big win but i think it is philip rivers i'm giving a best flight to a loser not the man the team they lost.

I don't usually give best flight out teams that lose. But when you contextualize what Philip Rivers did yesterday and you listen to him talk about why he came back, you know, there is a time when you retire and you realize like everything's behind you football-wise. And, you know, like he's obviously got a big family. There's a lot of important stuff going on in his life. But there's nothing that ever compares to being on an NFL field.

Like it just, it's just there's no going back. when it's over, it really hits home. And I'm pretty sure for four years now he's been watching, like with a daydream in the back of his mind, like maybe I could still do it, because we all do as unrealistic as it might be. And he did do it. He went out and he made some throws.

Yeah, he fell on his ass and looked old as fuck and had to get up and scramble three and a half yards. But he also threw like a back shoulder fade when it counted late in the game, set him up for what would be a game winning field goal, hit some throws, set the protection, changed the plays, man, and ultimately prove to the people that he said he was trying to prove it to that you should never be afraid. You should go out and try anyways. And that's what he did. And he lost,

but he had a nice long flight. I'm pretty sure with a drink in his hand on the way home, I know that's an NFL rule, but you break it for a 44-year-old grandfather. Get that man a drink, sit him in first class. Great flight for Philip Rivers. You did what you said you do. You went out and competed like you always did. You think he drinks? Yeah, I would think he drinks a little bit. Yeah, for sure. You don't cuss. He cusses. That's a total bullshit.

That's like a Santa Claus thing. He cusses. I heard him cuss. Oh, where? Yeah. Although my son did just recently ask last week. He was like, you can tell me. Santa Claus.

How'd that go? He asked Meg. And Meg was like, and then he goes, actually, don't tell me. So he knows. Once you get to that point, you know. Like, you have to know. You know, he just wants to hear it from your, you know, from you guys. But then he didn't want to hear it.

It was almost like he needed the information, but didn't want to hear it. Okay, so we've got best flight. Now we've got worse flight. I think the worst flight, I'll start this one is, I mean, it's Green Bay. It felt like they didn't just lose a game. It felt like their season ended. Yeah. You know, and we'll talk more about the ways they can get out of this jam or whether

or not we think they can, but like the gravity of those two injuries, not just the one, but the two. And certainly, Michael Parsons' injury makes you for. feel like a different team. It does from football standpoint, but also from a morale standpoint. Like this, this was a game in the first half where, you know, they look like a Super Bowl team. They look like a team that was going to represent the NFC. And then, you know, 60 minutes later, whatever it was, they're boarding the bus and I'm pretty sure there wasn't a lot of talking on the way of the airport, which is also an airport that's like 45 fucking minutes away from that stadium.

It's a poorly laid out city. Keith Schmidt in the chat, going back to Philip Rivers, said the Colts lost 18 to 16, but the real feel was 16 to 15. That was the real field, dude. I'm picking up what you're putting down there, bro. All right.

What do you all got? I got a worst flight. Worst flight is Jeffrey Simmons for the Tennessee Titans, flying back from California. and only to get home and find out that his home was burglarized while the Titans were in California. So I'm sure he was probably fielding calls on that flight or like, you know, he probably has some sort of security system that was popping off, knew that he was going back to that.

And then the Titans lost in San Francisco as well. So that adds, you know, a little insult to injury. A little bright side for my boy, Jeffrey Simmons, who I think is a fucking dog. He's been played really well. He did have a really sick touchdown, though, which was cool to see. but tough flight going home to a to a house that's been robbed while you're on the road. That is a tough one. Yeah, that's a tough one.

It's also a tough one to be the guys that robbed Jeffrey Simmons house. Like, that's not a guy that. Those people are probably finding out on the Greenlight Pocket. You couldn't go to DK's apartment or something like that. Right. I don't think those guys care. No, I don't think they care either. I'd be sleeping with one I open.

But I sure hope they get what's coming to them. Yeah, for sure. You know, which I think you can say. All right, Nate, worst flight? Not going to lie, my worst flight was same thing Green Bay. I just feel like just seeing Micah go down like that, you could just feel the air go out of an organization. And whether that's the end of the Super Bowl running for them or not,

it's just tough seeing Micah. Just the type of year he was having, what he went through in the offseason, like just sitting out and then getting traded and just being the player we all like knew he could be and just kind of like, kind of being better than what people were trying to like give him credit for. And I was kind of seeing the front hand, him playing every position up front and being effective everywhere.

It was just one of those things. You see the stat, they showed a stat like just his effectiveness when he's on the field versus off the field and just kind of having to now think about filling that void and it's going to be, can't get one person, it's going to have to be by committee and just thinking that Green Bay has to do that, that's probably a pretty bad flight as an organization

trying to think about all of that and just one flight home. It's a bad deal. And get ready for next week in this playoff run. Speaking of bad deals, oh, shoot, yeah, and this point's going to be made in the Green Bay section, but the Packers' leaders in pass rush wins this season.

Micah Parsons got 66 of them, and then 67 go to a combination of Brooks, Gary, and Ibarre, Wyatt, Van S. Yeah. Those are the next five most pressure-getting players on that team. When you talk about seismic, then we will talk about this in a moment, but absolutely seismic. We're going to start with Sunday night football and then work our way through the day, ones, through fours, and then we'll get to the flyovers in the Bermuda Triangle as the show goes. But Sunday night football, I think it's It's about two things. It's about obviously the Cowboys run being over. And for like little pockets of the season, they really are such a confounding team because, you know, they look like a team that, you know, if you were to give an at-large bid to a team to get in the playoffs based on who deserves it the most, like they're up there, right? Like they've played, they've played some teams really well this year. And they've also, they've also had some stinkers. And there was a moment after. after the trade where or the trades where you said hey quinnon williams and the guys inside we have iber flus is getting one-on-ones for all the interior guys you know some of the guys outside are growing up

clown he's playing better but you know if your corners or your corners you know that doesn't change throughout the year and then on top of it um they're sitting here and they're a sub 500 team i mean that like that's what it amounts to and like all the the the hooting and hollering and the big moves and the you know, the hijacking of the biggest Monday morning stories, you know, week after week. The Cowboys are just, it's more the same. And that's a tough way to go against the team that look totally lifeless at different points this season. You know, and who are, they're playing for the future is what the Vikings are playing for. And I think the future looks a little bit brighter coming out of this game where J.J. McCarthy improved from last year or last week.

and honestly was able to build on that. There are still things I see where, and I turned to the guys last night after one of these incompletions that probably shouldn't have been, and he played really well. Where I'm like, I see what, I see the work, the construction zone yellow tape, right? Like where KOC, when he talks about timing

or, you know, rhythm or, you know, progression, it's all mental for J.J. McCarthy. He has some physical tools that he can make the plays. He can extend plays off schedule. He can move well enough to do that. We talked about his legs. He hits some deep balls. But for him, it's going to be like, is it won too many hitches?

You know, is he throwing the ball when the receiver gets out of the break? That, I think, is the game within the game now for them as they go down the stretch of the season where they're going to make a decision as to what they're going to do in the off season. And obviously, you know, it's not over for J.J. McCarthy if he doesn't play well the last month of the season. But they will be thinking about who are my answers in free agency, who are my answers in a trade because of JJ's resume to this point this year. But he has time to really give them the confidence that they need to go into the offseason and say, hey, we're pouring everything into this quarterback. And this was a good game and a game that is a step in the right direction for him. for them. Oh, you're on mute. You're mute. Hit that. Hey, guys. There you go. Unmuted. I'm hoping in the

final stretch for the vikes, him and Jay Jeff can get on the same page because it's been, you know, so frustrating watching them just kind of fail to connect. I think Vikings fans are are, I mean, based on my group chats that I'm in with some of my buddies who are Vikings fans are pretty fed up with that. It's like, you know, part of it, I wonder if it's kind of all the mechanics stuff that everyone has talked about with J.J. McCarthy. It seems like at times, like his ball has so much zip on it. But I mean, just to call a spade of spade, like Justin Jefferson is an elite, elite wide receiver. He's got a ton of drops. So like they, they just need to get on the same page, man. And that's something I would love to see down the stretch here for them offensively.

He did drop one last night that kind of went right through his hands in the end zone. I think JJ can do a better job of kind of a layering throws and be taking speed off some of these balls. Now, he threw a couple really nice touch passes outside the numbers last. last night that you're like okay that's what you want to see it's going to take time it is absolutely going to take time for him to get to get up to speed i'm not going to write him off or anything like that let's let's give him some time um at you know the end of the season here so um what you got nailer when he went down the first touchdown his teammate yeah fortnight yeah trying to revive It's lost on me, but I know, yeah.

It's part of the- Somebody explained it. Yeah, it's just so funny, just like him really being hurt. Yeah. And your teammate, like, excited for your touchdown. That's crazy. That's crazy. That's crazy.

That's crazy. But I'm glad he was okay. That was the, it's funny. That was one of the craziest celebrations I saw all day. The other one was the guy from the Browns trying to take Miles Garrett's sack. Bro. bro like as soon as i was shelby yeah i was like dude he's been a league a long time he knows how this works yeah yeah it's like i feel like it's a natural instinct as a de lineman right if you get

there close you got but you got to know what's going on you got to know what's going on read the room oh man you got to read the room man this is a three car accident let me look over here who's the other guy in the party with me oh it's miles garrett he let me put this hand down so i mean yeah he's a certified for that no you can't say that I'm just joking I played with Shelby Wisconsin Shelby's the man he's the one who was saying all that stuff about Joanne Jennings so it's just you know seemed like a good opportunity that's good this good joke went right over my head that went way over my head too I was like we can't just be on here calling players hose no I love Shelby he's hilarious but but that was funny it was like that there's always

that D line thing where it's like when you get a sack you always watch people run away with their hand in the air. Like they want to distance themselves. The key is you want to get your hand in the air and you want to distance yourself. They know the spotters up there with the binoculars like, oh yeah, 93 with the sack. Because that's going to get awkward. Because if you get a lazy statistician, I mean, they're like, they're like, hey, that's his. Yeah, that's exactly right. That's exactly right. We're talking about that game in a little bit. But I, look, you're getting trigger. You're thinking about all the sacks you lost. No, no, honestly, I'm thinking about, like, the code. The code is, you know, like, it is so hard to navigate the, by the way, did they get full sack to Miles on that one?

I don't know. I think it was a half. So I think it was a half sack. Okay, that's the saving. Yeah. It truly was. But like, imagine if Miles was like, hey, bro, I'm turning that. Like, you know.

I got hit with that by Vinny when I was a rookie and I was so pissed about it. He turned one in that I had a half a sack on and it took it away from me. I was still butt hurt. about it. Dude, I'll never grab. If it was the last game and it was for the record, I'd be like, hey, turn it in. Well, yeah. And then people would be like, oh, it's just like Brett Far, if Shelby Harris had half of that

thing, it's an asterisk or 17 games. So I'm glad that's not the one that breaks the record. But I'll never forget, like, 2018. You know, me and Mike kind of shared a sack, but like, honestly, I'd never let go. You know, it was like, if you get there first and you don't let go. I remember one time hanging on Tavaris Jackson's ankle for like six seconds. just holding him up trying to get the sack and they blew it dead it's like there was another time in 18 where me and michael benin as i mentioned shared a sack-ish and i remember being in the locker

room like doing something whether it's brushing my teeth and the you know between meetings or something and i heard mike walk in with his high-ass voice and he was like lodi and the guys and he was like be honest you think this is a you think this is shared should i turn this one in and i heard like Odie being like you gotta go talk to Chris like you know and I'm listening to it and I'm like I'm being a little bitch about it I'm like hiding behind the door because that's my home boy and like I'm gonna I'm gonna talk to him about anyway the other one was by the way I kept that sack the other one was James Laronitis me and James Leronitis I fucking dominated it was like maybe Vernon Davis I like forklifted his arm and like threw him out of the way I earned the damn

sack but James came in and tried to knock me off with his big ass head And, you know, we end up sharing the sack-ish. And then he's going on Monday to be like, hey, I'm going to turn this in. And I said, the fuck you're not, dude. I said, first off, that's not how you get paid. This is how I feed my family. At this point, I have any kids. But I had to really appeal to his, you know.

And I said, I'll tell you what, I'll give you, like, a lot of money if you don't turn this in. So I legitimately wrote him a check so that he wouldn't earn it in. and I ended up with, I think, eight and a half that year, and I think it helped me get my incentive by a half sack. That's a good investment, Chris. Every little, it's called investing. You might not be familiar with it, but it's called investing. So anyways, there's a lot of sack talk,

as somebody just said in the chat. We don't have talk long about that. Those two eliminated teams, basically. The only way the Dallas Cowboys are not eliminated is that the Eagles lose out, which I don't see happening. I just don't. You think they are? No, no, no, I don't.

But if that did happen, ooh. You just want to be on record going, ooh, so you can call back to it. Remember I said, no, no, I just like, I think it flashed through my head, like, in that scenario, if they did.

Oh, it'd be awful. Like, they would burn the city down, dude. They would burn the city down. That's just what I'm thinking, like, if that, it would burn the city down. Especially for cowboys to get in, like, it's just like, I'm like.

I don't think it's happening. Do I think the Eagles are like some wagon because they beat the. No, the Eagles are not a wagon because they beat the Raiders. They beat the brakes off of the Raiders. We'll talk about that in a second. They're still building. They're still working their way out of this whole of poor play that we've seen over the last month of the season. But I thought yesterday was good.

We'll talk about that in a minute. Let's start with the Bills and the Pats. The 1 p.m., the big game. man, I thought I was going to be wearing it because I said the bills would win this game. And all of a sudden they're down 21-0. And I think part of it is in a game like this, and I always talk about on the road, there are a lot of instances where games get away from teams. And, you know, you'll say, oh, there's a, obviously the pads are much better.

At half, you're like, well, the pads are much better. Or, you know, the bill's offense didn't perform. Well, the first play of the game, Brandon Cook plays volleyball with a 35-yard explosive. that probably changes the whole script of that game. And, you know, the reason I wasn't panicked watching it for the bills was because that play was followed by a play where Josh just missed an open receiver for another explosive. And there were instances like that early in the game

where it was just like they could not get out of their own way. The opportunities were there. And of course, you know this coming in, that you have the run game in your back pocket. And if I have any regret, you know, if I'm the bills about the beginning of the game is like, I know you're trying to take control of this game, right? But you can do it with the wrong game. And, you know, hindsight's 2020, probably Brandon Cooks, who's a NFL veteran receiver,

is going to catch that ball nine out of ten times. So, you know, all that haven't been said. They find themselves down 21-0. The offense really doesn't get an opportunity to go and kind of get into the flow of the game. I thought, you know, when they scored before the half and they flashed that statistic up about how the Pats talk about wholly foreshadowing. And I said that. I texted Charlie. I said, I'm not worried about it because of that stat they just put up.

You know, and I almost fixed myself to bet the Pats first half and bet the Bills second half because that's something is not a secret in the NFL is that the bills have become a second half team. the pat's more of a first half team and they got the score to go 21-7 the defense played so poorly they left too much time for Drake May it's 24-17 but the way they came out of the half was just so big and

sometimes I know we talk ex-s-nose on this show but y'all know it haven't been in locker rooms I feel like if I were in that bill's locker room and somebody gave a fuck what I had to say I'd have said Hey, did you guys forget who the fuck we are? Like, we have owned this division.

I don't care if they win it. They got to go through us. We were in line, man. You know, all this like, whose turn is it? Mahomes isn't in the playoffs. We've been waiting in fucking line for five, six years here. We were first in line. You don't get to just jump us, all right?

And let's come out of the half and act like we're the better team. Because when we lost this team, we the bills i'm being you know i'm being god knows who whoever delivers the halftime speeches i don't really know who that is in buffalo but when they played them the first time i think that was the beginning of the whole thing for the pats like we you know like this is a very young team they're a very good team but they're going to have to earn it they're going to have to prove it this is december in the nfl another thing is i think if there's a cold weather game If there's a snow game, if there's a rain game in December, and I had to pick, well, you know, I think Josh is the best quarterback on the planet.

But if I had to pick somebody to play in that game, it's Josh Allen. You know, you talk about handling the football in those conditions. I did not think Drake played his best game. That's okay. He's been great all year long. And they were on schedule for much of the game. But once the bills started creating negatives and pressed him, you know, where he had to make throws, he came up a little. short. And there were those pockets of the Tampa game where it was rain in cats and dogs,

and his accuracy wasn't on point. So I kind of, I think still to be proven, can he win those games in December in the big spots with the weather being the way it is in the AFC? So valuable learning experience for the Pats, you know, obviously there's some calls that we're going to talk about. But I think it comes down to the bills are a team that even when they're down, kind of like a basketball team in the NBA can make up ground fast and they can do it without selling the farm to throw the football

because even when they throw the football they can run the football you know it sounds stupid as fuck but Josh Allen extends plays he can be your run game and they have a dominant running game and I think with Spillane out in this game that made a huge difference

and with Milton Williams out in this game that made a huge difference they could be on Josh and in the first of a lot first game it felt like he was under siege a little bit and the turnovers happened so i you know i want to say that's the bills fans why do you have his pads on spleen i feel like that what spleen just being on the silent yeah i don't know with your pads i don't know but but but the bottom line is like bills fans know this the whole team's hurt so we're not giving excuses out for the pads it just contextualizes the

the game you know it was like when you come to the game and milton williams who you know was a big signing for them in the off season if you have any doubts about was he worth the contract, they look totally different without him on the field in the run game and in the past phase. And so I just think the bills like, and if I saw this matchup again with Milton in the game, with Spillane in the game, I'd pick the bills because I'm of the belief that you have to prove it in the NFL. Like you have to prove it as a team. And the pads are going to have a lot to prove in the playoffs. They're fucking 10 and 3 or whatever they are. They're a damn good football team. They deserve every bit of respect that they've gotten. Eleven. Here I am disrespecting them.

They get in the playoffs, though, they're going to play, every team they're going to play is they can lose that game. And that's the truth about everybody in the AFC. And so I thought this was a hell of a football game. But it's kind of crazy coming out of the game where you're like, the bills just ate up a 21 point deficit and nobody's shocked. Nobody's shocked. Simmons and Sal asked on their pod if Josh is the best cold weather quarterback ever. I don't know if that's something that, like, I have the data points to make a... But of this era, there's not a lot of guys I want with the ball in December and inclement weather more than him. He did it last week in the snow.

He's done it in San Francisco was a fucking blizzard. You know, you've got the Farbs, the Brady's, the... now you've got your Josh Allen's of the world and the Mahomes. Mahomes is one. I was just going to say. Mahomes is one. Let's not, let's not do that thing.

But I always maintain like if you're talking about right now, the last three years of football, I do think he's the best quarterback on the planet. I just do. So you go to the AFC playoffs, you feel like you can beat anybody if you're the bills. You just prove that. You know, the Denver matchup, I don't know.

We'll see. I think the Broncos can give him a lot of trouble. They can, they can guard guys up outside strap up. But this was a big win for them. Bill's. Chris, I got to go ahead. After you, cowboy.

No, no, no. If I interrupt you, you might make you do an ad read. So my question is this. A lot's been made about how easy the Patriot's schedule is. Do you think that this is one of those games where if, you know, the Patriots had been through a little more adversity like earlier in the season, like kind of like and come out on top they win this game i was kind of thinking about that a little bit you know how like it's nice when you're on a team that has just eeked out these wins and tough slots this to me felt like one of those it's like if if they had that kind of that resume a little bit more where they'd been you know

grinded through and and got a dub i feel like that would really help them and i guess that's my concern about the patriots headed into the into the playoffs a little bit and to piggyback there's anything to that well i think to piggyback like i feel like as much as they haven't had this, like for Vrabel, the way you kind of spin it with your team, it's probably the perfect time for you to have this type of loss so you can kind of build off of it and kind of like preach to the team like, hey, if we're stepping on a team's neck, like we have to finish them off. Like we can't, we can't expect to win in the playoffs and expect teams just to lay down, like because we're up two or three touchdowns. It's not, it's not going to be easy like that,

especially right now. And it's hard because, you know, You know, I think Henderson, and they obviously have, you know, multiple backs, but Henderson, it's a couple of home runs, you know, like, and it's, you know, like, if you want to grind a team out, you got to be able to really move the ball. And they do such a good job in moving the ball on first, second down. I just thought that, like, in the second half, the gravity of the situation flipped on them fast. Yeah. And the pressure, you know, like this team hadn't been down in the fourth quarter since Pittsburgh. And when you look at their schedule, whether you're. you like this or not. I know this has been a really big topic of discussion, but they have not,

like, you start looking back at like, all right, what are your big signature wins that you're hanging your hat on? I think they're a good football team. You know, I love raves, and I think Drake May is legit him. He's one of those guys. But you look at the Tampa win. That was the last one that I think of that I'm like, oh, that was a big win where they go on the road and they beat a good football team who's really fighting for a playoff spot or division. The Tampa win just doesn't look as shiny, you know, and neither does the Buffalo win because as good as Buffalo is, they're so up and down, you know, and that's something that's going to follow them into the playoffs because they're going to play Baltimore, who I don't think is a great football team. I think they should

beat Baltimore. They're going to play New York and they're going to play Miami. And then they're going to go into the playoffs and they're all big games. And so, you know, just a good learning experience for these guys, being in as many of these games as possible. I will say, this and I think Shaw McDermott, probably the reason he didn't panic before the half or at the half or why this team didn't is like, I can tell you as bad as the defense was and they're down Benford, they're down some guys. Obviously there's the Ed Oliver thing that looms large every week. You probably, and I know you guys could hear this in your head too being defensive players, like, guys, if we just tackle the quarterback when he runs, if we just knock down the explosives,

You know when a coordinator's like, if we can just do this. And a lot of times they're selling you a line of bullshit, right? Like you're just getting outplayed. But in this game, if they had just eliminated the QB scrambles, hey, there's a third and seven where they didn't think Boutte caught the ball. They run up and good on them. They get the deal off. That's football.

Yeah. Okay. There's three, four things in the first half that if you're McDermott and Babbage, you can point to those things and say, hey, I can sell you some fucking hope in the second half. And they came out and they played better. And Drake helped them. by throwing them the ball a little bit. So this is just one of those games, man.

And I didn't love, like, anytime a defender has his back turn and doesn't look back and makes contact first, a lot of times they're going to call that. I mean, we don't love the back shoulder automatic PIs, but it is there. It's at everybody's disposal in the NFL. And that call was kind of 50-50 to me. And it extended a drive.

And I think it was a drive that ended with Josh Allen. This is the backbreaker. I brought this up last night in the live show. Y'all know this in the red zone. You can get fucking killed on Monday over rush lanes. And in this game where a field goal would have gone a long way to just give the Pats a little bit of confidence that they can stop this guy. Third and 15, after he runs the ball in in the red zone,

and it comes back because of a whole third and goal from the 15. And you get both left side rushers taking inside moves with no wrapper. And, you know, Josh climbs the pocket. pocket piss missile, 25-yard piss missile. You know, and that's, those things are the difference in the game, you know, and so, and they all come back to the special player that takes snaps under center for the bills, man. Like, he's a one-man band out there.

He really is, you know. I got a question for the group on the heels of this game as we kind of telescope out to January. This might be a dumb question. There are none. it might not be the right question. We could change the question. But in an AFC playoff race that feels like it kind of skews defense,

like you got Texans, Broncos, Jags, Chargers, all of these top 10 type defenses, do you think it's beneficial or detrimental for the bills that the strength of their team is its offense, as they kind of fit into the landscape of the UFC race? It's a puzzle, man. You know, like, hey, you know, every team's so unique right this year. Yeah.

Like, you know, it's not a traditional playoffs. So would you rather be Denver with, you know, the best thing smoking defensively and and and offensive coordinator, play caller, head coach who's a proven fucking winner in this league? Or do you want the circus freak and a bunch of like role players around him? I'm partial to the circus freak. I just am. And part of it is because when I've seen him playing the playoffs, there's only one guy that really's ever gotten the best of him. All these other guys, all your favorite quarterbacks, whether it's Lamar, whether it's somebody else, he's beating him. You know, and the one guy who's been the boogeyman is at home.

So, you know, in this playoff, I do feel like a little crack in the door opened up for them. And as imperfect as this team is and as inconsistent as this team is, their highs are so fucking high. You know, I look at the Eagles. And I get upset with the inconsistency offensively, but their highs aren't as high. You know, and, and so different puzzle piece. They got a great defense. They have a fumbling offense that's up and down.

The bills can score 40 points in the blink of an eye. It felt like that. Any conditions, any situation. Yeah, dude. Now, the one caveat is if it's all matchup dependent. If the Broncos play, I worry about that matchup. If the Texans play, I worry about that matchup because they have guys outside that can strap up

and truly make it a game where Josh has to be magic and to sustain that for a month is tough. Would he be the most trustworthy, I mean, you can call him a unit, but the most trustworthy player or position in the playoffs? Josh? No, the most trustworthy position in the playoffs is the corner in Denver.

Yeah, it is. The corner in Denver, he is unbelievable. And I can't wait to talk about that game because that had some Super Bowl vibes to it. But just, yeah, as far as the AFC is concerned, it is every team has, you go, Denver? Oh, we know we can win it. We know we can play in the Super Bowl, right?

Like, we've proven it. You know, the record says it, and our quarterback just played his best game as a pro. Texans. Oh, we can play in the Super Bowl. There's nobody we can't beat. Our defense can muddy anything up. We did it in Houston, and damn near, we should have beat the fucking Broncos.

But, you know, we're playing with our food. You know, you go down a list, name a team in the AFC, the Pats. Well, we're fucking 11 and 3. Why can't we win it? Jags, obviously they can win it. It was already foretold. I don't think the Steelers can win it. Chargers say that.

I don't think the Ravens can win it. We'll talk right now about the Chargers. Talk right now about the Chargers. And I don't mean to shortchange the Ravens. I just am calling it how I see it. I would be shocked if they won a Super Bowl this year. And I think most of you would be too. Yep.

All right. So talking about Chargers Chiefs, the Chiefs are finally dead. Do you have a eulogy prepared for the chiefs? Yeah. Figure you want to bury them. I think the Chargers social media team did a pretty good job giving them a eulogy. Did you see that? Did you see that clip they put out?

We just got to remix it and put, instead of going, we got to get Cancun out of there. And it's just to Mekanos now. Mekanos. Guys are too rich for Cancun now. All right, so I'll tell you what happened in this game. I just, there's a really cool shot of Harbaugh after the game, limping out to midfield to shake Andy Reid's hand because he's got the most fucked up back.

He's kind of a microcosm of his football team because they find a way to win this game, which was a fist fight, duct taped together. Dude, this team has been duct taped together, which is another reason I think the quarterback deserves a lot of credit, and I think the coaches deserve a lot of credit. And I would go as far as saying, if it weren't for Kyle Shanahan, just like boring winning every week with half the team out there, I think Harbaugh would have a chance to coach the year. This team.

Chris. Yeah, go ahead. Real quick. I was thinking about what you just said about how Harbaugh is limping out to like after the game, how busted up he looked at times. There's a book. It's like the picture of Dorian Gray where a book. This is a whole. I feel like Harbaugh is like.

microcosm for how his team, right? He's like a representation of how bagged up his team is. If they come out healthy, like he's great, he's happy, you know? But as soon as they get like banged up, like, who's doing manifests itself on his body? How am I supposed to know who the fuck, Dori? This is a tough literary reference for this

crew, but it's like, I'm doing a very every man monologue on the way in the game and you're like, yeah, you know, fucking in 11th grade English, I read this book. Chad, do you know what the, do you know what the picture of Dorian Gray is? We'll see if the Chad knows like all the wear and tear that the the Chargers team accumulates it just physically gets

manifested on on Harbaugh no I think I think he's just legitimately like crippled dude and and in watching him run out there to shake the guy's hand just felt like poetry to me man it was like this is what their team's been all year and they're five and oh in the afc west okay two weeks in row you make a huge play on defense to win it the Henley play on the on the wheel was was fantastic it's just He's such a great player. I was such a great player. He's a fucking hell of a player. And just the way that they've been,

yeah, I talked about them last week after the Eagles game. No style points. We came with an attitude like, I don't care how we win it. We're going to win this game. And it was kind of the same thing. And when you look back at the way they beat him at the beginning of the season and kind of more of a track meet,

two months later, three months later, the weather's changed. It's fucking freezing out. the style of football has changed and they find a way to win a rock fight too so kudos to the charges for just deciding hey we're going to win this football game however we can they did it being more physical i think derwin james knifing through the right tackles legs early in the game is just a microcosm of that like i know it's not a you know it's a penalty at this point in the nfl but like back in my day that was celebrated right um you bowling pins man and the hits

kept continuing all game long. Tully, Max, setting really physical edges. Tully's got double-digit sacks at this point now. He's a hell of an underrated player. Somebody asked me today, why is he so, why is nobody talking about him? Well, number one, the market they play him. And by my tool. Number two, the number he wears.

Number three, I just don't think people know much about him because he's a swing rush or he rushes inside and out. I think having Perman back adds an element to this defense that people don't make a big deal about enough. He's one of my favorite players in the league. And I thought they limited the big plays really well and plastered late in downs. You talk about playing the Chiefs, the way they can beat you, is kind of lowing you to sleep and then hitting shots, right?

They didn't fall asleep. 9% explosive play percentage on the day. And just a really good job for a team that plays a lot of zone match. Just plastering. We call it plastering late in the down, scramble drill. They are so good in those situations. And they made the plays in crunch time. You know, so listen, I thought even after the Henley deal,

the offense didn't do anything special all day, but there were two spots I thought they did a great job. The first one is before the half getting points. 13-3 ball game. You go and you get a touchdown in a game like that where passing is not going to be the way to go. They're able to pass the ball down the field, get the score 13-10 at that point,

and then late when Henley had the interception, they're on the one-yard line with 10 minutes ago in the game or something like that. I can't remember the exact time. but I think they ate five minutes off the clock and flipped the field. Now it doesn't end in a score, but it's that type of possession where Harbaugh is, you know, last week I talked about Herbert coming over the sideline

with one fucking hand after a field goal, they're lining up to kick, and Harbaugh goes, great fucking job. Everybody else is trying to look sexy. They don't care. It's, you know, that's a great possession for them. That was a 12-play 55-yard, 7-minute, 21-second punt drive. That's huge.

flips the whole field, dude. They're on the one yard line. Henley makes the play of the day, and it's almost for knock because they might get the ball right back. So, you know, I just wanted to make this point as we talk about the Chiefs and where they're going and where the charges are going. That drive before the half featured,

KLS, Tray Harris, you know, you got Gadsden making plays all day, all season. Tully's double digits. What year is this for him? Year three. year three um they got a lot of young players making plays for them you know um i think that that drive alone encapsulates like and this is the thing for the chiefs i know they draft well i know they got a lot of homegrown talent but right now tell me a bunch of rookies that have made plays for the chiefs this

year tell me a bunch of guys that have stepped up in big spots that are young players for them you know like they're in a spot where they need to change the guard a little bit and you look around division and the Broncos are off and running. They've passed you, right? The chargers are set up really well for the future. This is that one team, and I don't know if they can win two, three games in the playoffs because of just how much they've been hurt.

But if they were at full strength, you'd be talking about them like a Super Bowl contender. And so a lot of it has to do with the quarterback that they have, but I think the coach, the culture, And the job Jesse Minner's done on defense, man. Like this team, I know a lot of people are like, well, it's if we're a fifth or whatever. But if they had their two starting tackles,

I kind of feel like a lot of people might be picking them as a dark horse to go. Oh, yeah. Because they play complimentary football. And they got Hampton back. They've gotten production out of Vidal. Joe Hortiz, who's been on this show, their GM from Baltimore, has done a great job.

And you think about not just the draft picks, but also the, hey, we've got two offensive linemen this week who are healthy. What are you going to do about it? Like, how are you going to patchwork this thing, man? And they've done a great job all year of just keeping their heads above water. But this was a consummate culture win where, like, you storm the gates of the fucking castle. And you finally vanquished the chiefs, the chiefs. You got that monkey off your back, and you did it in a way that feels sustainable. because you're not even where you want to be.

Like you can be next year they're going to be better. And the chiefs are going to be sitting there with Mahomes rehab and then. So maybe we got to talk about the chiefs, ma'am. And where they're going from here? Nate, where are they going, bro? So in the perfect world, Mahomes, he's going to rehab with none other than Tyreek Hill. Yeah.

And somehow they come back at the same time. reunited. You're selling me some. You know what my notes say? What? Become a run first team. Lean into, become a complimentary football team. There's no way.

You're telling me you want to reattach his leg and ship him up to Kansas City. Why not? Why not? Why not? Because, I mean, you're going to need more weapons because even if Mahomes, when he comes back, I don't feel like he's going to right away. be able to be scramble my homes and off-balanced throws so how do you counter that is you just you have have speed you got to have speed and guys open i'm going the other way okay i think and this is a bugaboo

of andy reeds because we talked about this in the car right over where nolan's like dude even when i was a kid because earlier i was like hey they need to run the ball and no one's like hey well that's just never something reed does like i grew up in philly and like even when i was nine i knew he I don't know what I got to Philly. That was what they always talked about with Doug, bro. They were like, well, Doug's, he got a little Andy to him. So, like, that's his reputation. I understand.

But I think they're at a crossroads, man. I really do think they need to reinvent the great teams reinvent the way they play. If you're going to be great for a decade plus, the Patriots morphed into whoever they had to be to win. And it also, you know, seeing this thing come to an end after 10 years, it kind of speaks to like how amazing it was to watch break. and Belichick and those guys, like, they were a different team, like different offense year to year. The early Brady chapter was different than the late, which was different than the middle.

They just evolved to whatever they had to do within a season. I think Kansas City needs to be that team now. And this is regardless of how long it takes Mahomes to rehab. Obviously you have the Kyler Murray example. What were the other examples I had you pull up? Kyler Murray, Carson Wentz. Carson Wentz. 2017.

He didn't come back to. until 2018. That's in December. Yeah, yeah, so Tyler and Carson both were in December. And I'll tell you this about Carson, and this is not revisionist history. I'm not trying to change his legacy or something like that, but like in 2018, I was there.

He wasn't healthy when it was time to come back. And it wasn't just the knee. It was the back. And his stubborn ass tried to play hurt, which is why I always had a lot of love for him because he was a tough player. But like, and Mahomes knows this. His legacy is bigger than week eight or nine.

next week or next year he's got to be right when he comes back and i also think they have to lessen the burden they put on him to make magical plays i liken it to to baltimore where you watch them play and while i think he's a better quarterback than than lamar which is a high hurdle to clear because lamar's a fucking hell of a player they ask both those guys to do way too much as as much as i i do not want to compare Andy Reid's offense and Tom Monkin's offense, not even close, or the offensive prowess. A lot of it is, hey, make some magic happen late in downs, play some sandlot ball. And I don't want to see that as much. Like, I love to see it when it matters, but I want to see Kansas City be able to run the football with authority. I want to see them

be able to run like some semblance of a true West Coast offense, not this souped up, you know, it was so funny i got to give credit to will blackman my dog will blackman who came in town this year for a game we were riding in the car and he was explaining to me the way he looks at the receivers in kansas city he looks at them as a bunch of kick returners right like and not as a slight it's just an intentional build out that way it's you're trying to get these kick returner types the ball in space you know and and i think the space plays still needed to happen the r pos the quick game the screens, but to me I want to see more of a run first offense with play action off of it and timing in the past game, which is a hard thing to sell to a guy, but maybe if he's coming off

an ACL, it's easier to sell. Now, the hardest guy is going to be to sell to as Andy Reid, who has a three-decade habit of not fucking running the ball. So then the thought of them not wanting to give up, what, a third rounder for Breece Hall and a running back like that, I just feel like, A running back that can potentially do all those things you're saying, play wide receiver and get the ball in open space that way and do kind of those things. It just worries me, a franchise that wasn't willing to do that at the trade deadline to automatically be like, okay, we need to switch now. Like, you know, like, I mean, obviously things come up in the draft and after the season,

but just thinking in the moment, it's like you guys really didn't pull the trigger on that to help your team, like right now. I just think the defense is also there's a lot of holes in the defense So with the many They do have Capital Yeah They know

Yeah And it would be the same Like this off season Because Breece Hall Like he's not fine Yeah You'd have spent draft capital And you got one less thing

To find a rusher or a corner Things that you need But to fact just point If they had pulled the trigger On Breece Hall this season They might not have been in that position Against the Chargers to You know they might not have been in a

Maybe But also maybe not And I think this is the hard truth that they understand about their team, which is like, we're good this year, but not like, I don't, I think they knew deep down that even if they made the playoffs, the field has gotten better to the point that like, I don't know if they could have won the thing. Yep. Um, we can say, Bo.

I was going to say, I mean, you're talking about their defense a little bit. They're definitely aging as a team and a defense. You see that guys like Chris Jones, et cetera. But the good news is they have such a good coaching staff, man. Like Spags is a fucking elite defensive coordinator. And you just, you know, it does feel like. on one sense, you know, it's the end of an era. Obviously, this is a devastating injury for, for Mahomes.

It fucking sucks. I just think it's kind of bad for the, you know, for the football, for the NFL at large. But in the other hand, like they still have a lot of key players and people in place, especially in their coaching staff to retool, like what you said, and kind of come out with a new brand of Chiefs football. And that's what I'm excited to see. Like, it'd be cool to see them get a lot healthier on their offensive line. go to a more run first team and, you know, still have success.

So I think the thing for me is like, I keep thinking about who's going to play quarterback for them for the first, whatever, eight weeks of the season or whatever might end up being. That's exactly. Mac Jones. I think Marriota, guys like Tyrod. Marriota. Marriota. Marriota. But, I mean, that's, that's, that's kind of where I'm in.

in their last like loss in the playoffs before before the mohomes era remember when he threw the ball off somebody to himself yeah yeah he ran it in but i mean you think about what andy reed made alex alex smith and i'm not saying alec smith wasn't a damn good player and he was a he was a damn good player but you know he had some of his best years there like you can still get top end production out of a quarterback and it's almost like them being handcuffed and not having a magician back there might be illuminating for two months next year where it's like you know like it's it's kind of like having this perk that when it goes away you kind of got to retrain yourself to like run the offense and um i think it's going to be really interesting what they do do they do they kind of say hey we're kind

of punting this season you know um that's about malik willis can i interest you in malik willis you can always interest me in malik willis but i'm just worried that like he just gets lost in the shuffle there. But if he, like, if he has a good half season and then moms comes back, you give him a couple, like, moms start to roll, could be a trade piece. One thing he does really well is he can run that kind of gadget off on the screen game, you know, that quarterback. I bet you Andy Reid would be like, I got some packages for you. Yeah. But the thing is, Andy Reid's getting older, man, and you kind of wonder, like, what do they want to do?

One of the things I wonder is, like, Spags has not interviewed for a lot of coaching jobs. I mean, like, and he should be at the top of mind for everybody. He's a previous head coach. It didn't work out well. That was our fault. Sorry, Spags. You were coaching the Rams. But, but I think he, I think he still deserves another opportunity. And I don't know if it's something where internally they have like a plan where Andy's like, hey, I'm going to do this another four years. Stick around like fly on the wall. What's going on in that building? What are they talking about as far as a five-year plan because these teams do talk about things in that respect. It would be interesting to see, you know, if Andy Reid were to move on, who would

Mahomes want to pair with him, you know, who he'd want to, you know, hey, I see what he's doing. He's back. He said coach, Bianami, offensive coordinator, lifetime contract. No, I don't know that Bian. B'em, I do, I still think there's a void there. And when you watch them attend to the details of that offense, they are not. not the same team.

And, you know, sometimes you assume that because Andy Reid's thinking up the concepts or calling the plays that like, you know, how could it fall off because this one guy left the building? But like he was the guy, dude. He was the guy that was on their ass, had everybody puckered up to be on the right page. When you get kind of a friendly head coach when he's not belly bumping Travis Kelsey, you need a fucking, you need the, I don't know, like the heavy, you know. the bad guy. Good cop, bad cop.

Those quarterbacks that were injured tore ACL, Kyler Murray tore it in week 14 of 2022. He was activated from the Pupp list on November 7th of 2023. So 11 months took him to come back. We mentioned Wentz, week 14 of 2017. He returned week three of 2018, which might have been too early. Carson Wentz, Joe Burrow, and Donovan, sorry, Carson Palmer, Joe Burrow, and Donovan McNabb

all tore their ACL in November, mid-November of 2015, 2020, and 2006, and then they all just made week one of the following season. Well, it ain't going to be Gardner Minshu. Because at the end of that game, and I don't know what, I don't, like, honestly, this is a pretty interesting, like, thought exercise. You're Andy Reid.

Are you going for the jugular and throwing at Derwin James because you don't trust your team to win an overtime? Do you not trust your kicker? Like it's second down at the 39, right? And, you know, you need one completion, a draw. You're probably going to go to OT with this team. Second and 15. The season's on the line.

The season's on the line. 20 seconds left. The season's on the line. So I understand if, you're like but you really think minshu's going to come in the game cold and lead you down for a touchdown like you don't have a fucking choice and so these are some of the things that i kind of question where i'm like i know andy reads the man and you can't take anything away from him but at some point you kind of got to be like and i'm not saying there needs to be a change or something like that i'm not

one of those people but it's okay to question the head coach it's okay to question how they've gotten here this team should not miss the playoffs they shouldn't miss the playoffs no i know patrick's acel is you know and that's brutal to see um but like this team should not be missing the playoffs i don't think as hard as their schedule was but anyways reading beach yeah yeah question everybody is the thing i said earlier was like and i know they i know they like to make guys earn it like uh you know spags secondary players like young players they want to make guys earn it and that sort thing but i don't see like i don't see them year in a year out making the football team better through the draft over the last couple years like i don't see guys quickly helping this roster

like in big spots and so you know it's you look at the a fc west this is a real power shift going on dude yeah even simmons i don't know if you look at these last two draft class and say there's a star you know yeah dude obviously simmons was down in that game and and somebody like galati could really help you right but he can't be the headliner you know yeah yeah sure yeah they they need a batman in that group we're talking about that earlier yeah the rushers man chris jones gonna age out and they've missed need as well he's about to pack it up chris jones didn't know that they missed the play out he's about to pack it up there's fucking news to me man back it up for these next two days this is the best this is the best like

litmus test if you if you want to watch guys and see how much they really kind of love football like minus guys like if you're on losing teams right now minus the guys that maybe have some type of bonus or some type of performance incentive that you're trying to fulfill like guys who just have to kind of be out there because it's your job and it's what you're paid to do it gets really hard these last couple of games especially if you play somewhere cold just getting up in the morning wanting to go to practice wanting to play in the game that means absolutely nothing at all. I know nothing different.

I got no empathy. Exactly. Man, you've been winning, winning, now you've got to go out there and fucking be a football player. Exactly.

You love the game? You're just clocking in, you know? We'll find out if you love the game. We will find out if you love the game. And so the next two drafts, 2026, the Chiefs has six picks.

They have one, two, three, four, and two fives, and then 2027, they have seven picks, one in each round. Do you start to consider, hey, this player here, let's start accruing some capital. Maybe we mentioned Chris Jones,

another couple guys that we could send, you know, this offseason and start getting some more picks to start. I don't know that I want to send Chris Jones out of town, but I think what would help contextualize this is you got a list the guys that are up. Yeah. So hit me with that list and we can kind of tackle it here.

Yeah, these guys are all like starting. starters so guys up after the season Kelsey Hollywood brown Jalen Watson Brian cook shannall Pacheco Amenahue Kareem Hunt juju Derek Nottie next year I'll tell you one guy they're not letting him walk Leo Chanel not letting him walk guys up after next year Trent McDuffie they're not letting him not letting him walk Rishie Rice Juan Taylor not going to let Rish Rice walk Juan Taylor Drew Trankle Danna Connor and then your swing tackles with that's the tough thing when you look at the roster There are not a lot of blue chip kind of players.

And when you, it's kind of like, and this is part of why I like the, you know, I'm a Josh guy. But it, you know, like that roster is not what it once was. And, you know, you can see they've struggled to win without, you know, some of those, whether it was Tyreek or whoever it was. Now you've got guys that like, I don't even know how many guys you can get real capital for. Right. Like, who are the guys that you can get real capital for that you're willing to part?

with in their group I mean contract year guys oh in the contract in contract years yeah dump somebody before none of them yeah it's it's it's it's a bad deal dude like they they really are going to have to fight their way out of this thing the honest way and I think you know like to pass rush we talked about that go out and get a pass rusher I think you got to go find a success succession guy for Travis Kelsey right but I also think that guy's got to be able to block yep i think he's got to be able to block um so you need some route runners and that you see you need some separators like the the will blackman kick returner thing how many of those guys do you look at him and say like their their their key trait is

creating separation were these key trade is running fast in a straight line right hollywood brown's like a like a number three-ish guy at this point um what about jujoo rish rice is a fucking good football player Roshu Rice is a good football player We're about Juju We don't even talk about Juju Um TikTok star

But like I don't know They've also You know And that's exactly it And it fits in The Clyde Edwards DeLair pick really

I know it's eons ago But like Yeah stuff like that There were other options Where it's you know So anyways Anyways We don't want to beat it

Right now The Chiefs are slided To pick 11th overall I heard you're not supposed to say beat a dead horse anymore. Why not? I don't know. Peter. Peter don't like that.

Yeah, but I didn't eat the dead horse. I beat the dead horse. You know what I'm saying? I forget what year it is. If you ate Taco Bell, you actually did eat the dead horse. It's the horse lobby, dude. It's the big horse, dude. Big horse.

All these insane women that ride horses, dude. A little jockey guys. You can't say that anymore. Pio, my. But if you're on like a speed dating deal. From the sparranos. Pottomai. Chris has a no.

See, he doesn't get it. No, pie omai. Oh, from the Sopranos, bro. No, I was trying to connect the dots on this, this analogy. But if you're doing speed dating and a woman says like you're like, What are your hobbies? And she's like, yeah, a big equestrian. Run?

Run? No, I think that's a day. Give away. It's a good thing. You think it's a good thing? Yeah, give away. You haven't met enough equestrians. Hey, chat, what do you think of equestrians?

Dating material or they're always going to love the horse more than you? I just feel like just in general. Like, people love dogs the same way. Like, people are. choose a dog somebody said animal cruelty is included in a PETA's mission statement yeah but we're not really beating a dead

horse that's the point just like when I said like man the Texans are going to kill Jacoby Bissette I don't think they're going to murder him at the middle of field like it's a it's a phrase you know what I'm saying yeah uh Jonathan Taylor was selected after Clyde Edwards

Olair yeah that draft yeah and moving to you know what those some of those equestrians could use is Dr. Melfi. Good one. I like that. I like that.

Oh, man. Melfi looks like she probably rode horses. What? Speaking of horses, the Broncos. Oh, I got, hey, we got an equestrian. We got an equestrian, by the way. We got Victoria in the chat goes,

NFL players, dating material, question mark. Oh. I found the equestrian. I like that. I found the equestrian. No, we are not for the most part. We're not. Equestrians valid.

That's what we say in the chat. Yeah. Questrian. Somebody said move on to the next game. Damn. All right. Well, damn, man. You know,

move on to the Maccabee show or something. You know what I'm saying? All right. Oh, man. If somebody said if the horse is already dead, then what's the problem? No, Vincent. That's it. No.

all right let's talk about the overdogs the packers oh look at that dude what a good looking what's your mascot's name miles baby this is this is way cooler than anything that jaguar down south now this doesn't look as tell him cowboy this doesn't look as menacing as he was looking in the third quarter of this game with the sun setting and they were doing extra pirate tactics around him and it was like ahead of the 2723 drive where the packers like really needed to like they need to get something going. And they had this motherfucker up. I don't think Parsons was into the tunnel yet.

No. Miles is up there. No, Miles is up there like, let's fucking go. Trample him. All right. So anyways. Miles doesn't zip line or bungee jump from the top of the stadium, though. Yeah, I know.

He lights fireworks off. Lighting fireworks. No, I'm with you on that. You know what I'm saying? Yo, you're Jagged. What's his name? It's not Sir Per. That's the bear.

Jackson. Jackson DeVille. Shout out to our guy. Jackson DeVille. Jackson DeBill. All right. So I think it's Bo Nix's best game as a pro. You know, and you know how I feel about Bo Nix.

Just to be accurate, like, so nobody here's like, oh, you're jumping on the bandwagon, or you always hated him or you. I've always liked Bo Nix. I've never loved Bo Nix. You play like that. I love you. You play like that. I fucking love you.

And the thing I like about him is his, you know, I've said this before. he never changes his his MO like his expression is the same no matter how he played he played like dog shit against the Raiders when they won 10-7 or whatever it was and after the game he's smiling we won a fucking game dude like that's what this team has really bought into winning football games which is something that's hard to get like a bunch of professionals to do sometimes as stupid as that sounds like they keep the main thing the main thing and they love this dude so this is the best football game he's played though in my opinion considering the stakes considering the team they played the the off platform stuff for him we talked about this yesterday in the man cave we were talking about he's probably

one of the best if not i don't want to say if not the best but one of the best three four throwers of the football in the run in the NFL when he breaks the pocket and he's rolling left or right he's as good as i put him in the category of like in this area of his game josh allen Caleb Williams, a smattering of different quarterbacks, but all really good throwing the ball in the run. I think he's one of those guys. And like, you know,

he'll bail to 15 and break contain. That's what makes him so tough to deal with as a rusher. So you can say all you want, hey, and Iqbore, Parsons, you know, Rashon, like, you all got to bottle this guy up. But the problem is normal quarterback drop, drop targets like eight yards, climbing to six.

You know, he's one of those guys, kind of like Mahomes where, okay, you like, you like that sentence? Reid, kind of like Mahomes, where he's bailing out of the back of the pocket. And so as a speed rusher, you almost have to rush in a straight line at the top of the rush. You know what I'm saying? Like trying to cut him off and that can widen the B gaps. It puts a lot of stress on the other rushers. And ultimately, I think, and this is taking nothing away from Bo Nix, who I already said,

played his fucking ass off. And if he plays like that, they are the favorite. If he plays, they are the favorite. Ultimately, the guys outside dominated the Packers' corners. And that's going to come up in a second as relevant information as you look at the Packers down the line this year. Sutton on double move runs right by Nixon. You know, he had a step on the touchdown. You know, Valentine had a rough day.

Guys like Franklin, little Jordan Humphrey step up. Big Jordan. The depth of this group, maybe not a headlining group, but again, the depth of this group in a game where all we talk about is the Packers wide receiver depth, which has been tested all year. They stepped up, and I think whether it's Pat Bryant or the guys I mentioned all year have made plays. Now, Pat didn't play yesterday,

but the point is, next man up. And then, you know, you could blame the loss on the Parsons injury. I would not. Like, I would not. I think Russian coverage worked together, but they were getting shredded.

And, you know, the Packers had their chances. I think in the spots, Nix wasn't elite. They didn't make him pay. You think about three. three instances. Valentine drops a pick. Really wouldn't have changed much because they got the ball anyways at midfield because they didn't get it on fourth. But certainly the McKinney interception and then

tip ball in the red zone, the guys are kind of fumbling around over. They didn't make the plays and the Broncos made them. And, you know, early in the game when the Packers were looking like juggernauts and I was bought in and everybody was fucking bought in, when you go in the red zone and you kick field goals against a good football team like this, you always pay for it later. And I told you guys, after the six-nothing I said man they might pay for these man it makes you nervous and you know that's exactly what happened I thought the physicality from the Broncos out the gate was outstanding whofanga damn near deleted whoever the titan was was it uh Deguara or who's the 81 who's 81 for um on the hit that he yeah you know and and that's what you call running through

a motherfucker whoa that is what you call and i don't know i don't know i Totally. DeGora, right? I think it's Josh Wiley. Wiley. Okay, yeah, I got my role player tight ends mixed up. But it doesn't matter

because that was like, that was the end of that guy. Yeah. Okay? Because he came in there and just fucking destroyed him. And it was both sides of the ball. It was Quinn Miners,

like the second play of the game. I'm watching three technique go for a ride. I'm watching Cooper hip toss, Tom. Dude, they just were more physical and eventually that kind of caught up. But I do think early in the game

if it's fourth three and they were playing like a different team they probably go yeah and and i i don't know if the hufanga play that dissuaded him but jordan love as good as he was in spots miss dobs and those are the differences in the game um and and i will say like the whole game changed obviously in one play you're up nine in the second half and you have a chance to really like blow this thing open you know you you can go you go 30 16 or 17 points if you're you're you're you're you're you so choose. You take a shot, P10,

just like you did the last possession. Okay, and I understand what LaFleur is thinking, we got to put these guys away, but I think driving the football down the field would have done, and they throw that deep ball to Watson, and when I say Hall of Fame football play, show me every snap that happened yesterday, I don't think I saw a better play in the NFL.

And by a better player, no chance. The shot to Watson, the shot he threw five minutes earlier or whatever was traveled like 70 yards in the air little zach allen rush guys in the middle muddying things up just enough where he can't lead that receiver and christian watson who's become such a big part of everything they do like that that that that that he made just deflated that football team and it wasn't just that it was hurting christian watson man like just the i just the just i just All the air out of that team came out.

And so, you know, like, we are not saying Denver didn't earn it. The injuries mattered in the game. Denver went out and took it. And I do think, like, the Parsons injury, actually, I thought the Watson injury kind of lost them the game more so. The Parsons injury loses them this season. Okay? Because I don't know what's going to happen to Christian Watson,

but, like, they do not get a lot of pressure outside of Parsons. They got a normal amount of pressure outside of Parsons, but they don't get a top five defense amount of pressure without him. I showed you that stat earlier. Now, Halfley doesn't like Blitzin that much. They're not that aggressive in coverage. So what are you going to do now? And I think that's the concern is like all of a sudden,

they're not going to be able to play the style of football they want to play because it's been kind of propped up by the defense. So I don't know where the Packers are going. Every time we watched Jordan Love step back and throw off his back foot, it's the most terrifying feeling as, a fan of the other team, and it should be for all 31 teams that you play, because he is deadly when he's sitting back in that pocket off his back foot and dropping it in the bucket to anybody. But do you think with Watson, so his injury, not as serious as we thought it was going to

be right after the game, he has a chance to play next Saturday. But even with, you know, even with him up in the year, do you think Jayden Reed, they're going to use him more, who's going to step in? or Romeo Dobbs then has to make a lot of like otherworldly plays and Don Tavia and Wix needs to be the intermediate guy which he's done a very good job of at times like and Wix has to be really sure handed but love can't miss any throws and you know offensively they've got a super physical running back and they don't have a real physical group up front and so like I don't really know what their identity is going to become the identity is like kind of the quarterback's going to have to make some plays and they're going to have to be really money on pre-snap which

they've been all year, right? Especially lately. But this hurts them because this guy was, you could argue they lost the two most important position players on their team, respectively offense and defense. I'm not saying Watson's the best player. What I'm saying is at this juncture, he was the most important to their offense, their passing offense.

I don't know where they go. Watson's going to come back, but I don't know where they go without Parsons. How do you? Corners are who we thought they are. That's the problem. A question related to that. You mentioned Halfley not being a big blitzer, bottom five in blitz rate this season, only 26%. Joe Fan's going to sit there and say, oh, okay, just crank up the blitz rate.

What is Joe fan missing in saying that? Like, what are some of the bigger picture things of, like, blitzing that make it not that simple? Well, number one, you got to rep these things. You have to be a blitzing team. Like, blitzing teams know what they're doing because they rep it a ton. And to the point where, like, the personnel matches. right like you look at kansas city yeah you know if you're bringing a guy in a slot blitz he knows what the fuck he's doing and then i also look at it like this like you don't have the corners outside

to really blitz like that that's that's another thing we just talked about the luxury of like having cover guys in denver you can kind of do what you want you can blitz you can rush four like they showed that in the second half they were winning with games right i don't know that you can bring pressure like that all the sudden like december when all you're all you're year you've basically built your third down packages around where micha parsons is the line and that's another thing maybe it it allows some of the rushes that have been like man i don't want to be in a three technique i'm not a right hand of rusher i'm not a left hand of rusher but i got to do this for the better of the team and it's working because mike is on the field if he's not on the field then maybe guys are

like hey this is where i line up and it don't change and i can get into a rhythm and maybe maybe they can put together some four-man rush. But I think it's got to be like, Ennebari's played really well. He's got to step up just a notch. Rishan's got to step up a notch and Lucas Van S has stepped way up. I also think like, you know, a lot of what they do is playing zone coverage behind their rush. They don't have to like vary the looks like that. When you blitz people, you really have to disguise things. I know they do vary some looks, but it's like a whole different ballgame. So I kind of worry about them just reinventing

their whole operation. I don't know if that answers the question. That does. Broncos, one of two teams to be in the playoffs. First two. That's incredible. If that holds, you've got a really good shot.

Yeah, we do. But yeah, we do. I love our shot. But I do think the Broncos are, they have proven it, all right? They have proven it. We can no longer say, I don't know if we've ever really said, oh, the Broncos can't win it, but we can't buy into that shit. Like, they can absolutely, his defense is awesome.

And the second half of this game, they were playing like a different level of intensity. I've got a question for the group and we'll go around the room. And if someone takes your answer, you have to use a different play. Give me your favorite Bo Nix throw from the game yesterday. Everybody. I can start with my top 15 if you'd like. Yeah, that'd be good. He was great, dude.

I don't know, the one where he broke the pocket. And fired a dart. Yeah. And it was completed. Like all of them. For a first time before a touchdown. This is the perfect kind of game where his mobility negates the rush. His mobility pulls people off coverage.

his mobility creates problems in the second level where it's like Valentine's got to get nosy on something that's not his job and all of a sudden that first touchdown you know he's got somebody open outside the numbers because he he breaks the pocket and people are worried about him running

like he is legitimately athletic enough to do that so talk your shit read yeah talk about shit you've been Bo leaving all season yeah hey Bo leave you got your moment um but uh

he had to pass to T. Batty for one yard. That was your favorite? Yep. I mean, hey, he can do it all. He can throw it deep down the field, and then he's sharing the ball. And Badee's like, oh, man, I haven't caught many passes. Can I get one boat?

I got you, dude. I know I've been firing it downfield to my guys all day. We'll get you in the box score. Yeah, yeah, get you in the box score. Let the family know. You know what? Somebody just brought this up. Well, no, actually, they didn't break it.

I just thought of the Bears. Because they are the one team without much. rush that they have done a really good job on third down this year and like i don't know if you know you could you could borrow something from dennis allen but um when i think about teams that like but the thing about the the bears they have like a now a healthy true number one corner right and they also have some ball hawking dudes in the secondary which mckney is you're going to have to be one of those teams that force turnovers that's just that's just how that's the fucking road forward for them the um

Denver let me a good one next week Nate give me a good one oh shit next week I know we're gonna have to make a bet I'm a little so we're in Charlottes andville or Denver

it's in Denver yeah there's direct flights from Richmond and Denver read have fun let's go you guys said earlier he was like yo if the Jags and the he texts me earlier this week of Buffalo and Jags go we need to go down to the game.

I'm like, well, there's no chance I won't be in my backyard watching that game on that door TV. Yeah, I mean, I mean, obviously you look, I mean, that's a better spot. You don't want to be down and jacking. Yeah, I know what you're about to say. After they were. Yeah, I know what they were.

Pretty predictable. What I am nervous about that game next week as we end this, we were a little banged up. The Broncos were ourselves. Brandon Jones, safety, injured R.J. Harvey, who's, you know, our significant

rushing attack. They're both uncertain. Where do we go from? our Broncos fans online are throwing a hey bring Justin Simmons home you know I like the guys on the roster I love Justin Simmons but I like the guys on the rock roster shout out devon key and PJ Locke yeah I think we're gonna be all right I think you be okay yeah thank you be okay we'll get power Ben Powers back you got an embarrassment of Rich's uh next week's gonna be so great it's gonna be so great Trevor's gonna be like ah ah

no easy don't be a hater no he's gonna be he's gonna be toss around back there man I mean yeah Your quarterback had a good day, but it just sucks. It had to be shadowed by it. It wasn't even the best game, you know, four touchdown. Four touchdown. Thinks he's doing something. Oh, man. You mentioned the Bears, Chris.

That's the next game. Oh, man. Oh, yeah, we do have to talk about the Bears. Because the Bears. That real field game of the week. Quietly looked pretty good. Oh, man. Bo, do you want to get, you looked at the Bears' offense.

What did you see? Yeah, I was probably really focused on the Bears offense. I've become a little bit of a Caleb Williams fan. He's kind of won me over. That one fucking throw was so cool. Like you see the end zone pass to that. And I thought it was interesting too. I was talking with Fitz.

And he said that he thinks that Caleb Williams is probably the best on the, like on the move thrower that there is in the NFL. And you mentioned that earlier, Chris, which I thought it's kind of, it's kind of cool to your buddies in the media that played football, saying the same things. you know, without kind of collaborating on it. I guess you do know some ball, Chris.

But anyway, as far as the fit said that, he thinks that Caleb has the best, you know, ball on the move of any quarterback in the NFL. Yeah, I mean, Helen Keller could see that. I don't think you can. No, I think you can. Helen Keller's not even around. It's another saying.

If somebody wants to take us off the air for saying that, I'm going to say it. Rest in peace, dude. Thoughts and prayers. Anyway, Bears' offense. Obviously, there's a cold, real field game, but the Bears' identity is outside zone and play action. I think you really saw this in this game.

They ran outside zone seven times. They had five explosives off of that, which is cool. And you might say, hey, Beau, they're playing the fucking Cleveland Browns. Chris, we played in that Jim Schwartz wide nine defense. That is a defense. that is designed to get a fucking wide nine monster on a tight end, right? And just crush the edge of the pocket to defeat outside zone. And so the bear or the Browns are actually pretty good against outside zone,

especially this year. Um, they have a 20, 20% success rate against outside zone, which is sixth best in the NFL. So they got their run game going pretty good. DeAndre Swift, you've seen him really improved this season. He's been fucking clutch. Uh, he had 18 carries, 98 yards and two touchdowns. he's having a good season. But along with that outside zone, obviously, is play action.

And that's the other big part of their identity. You've seen that with Ben Johnson. And Caleb was money with play action. He was 12 for 15 with 15 with 151 yards, two touchdowns, and 148.2 pass rating. That's all just on play action. So you can kind of see the way that Ben Johnson has infused this offense with, you know, this outside zone and play action identity. Also, when you run these play action, you can get these boot opportunities,

which gets Caleb outside of the pocket and he can use his feet and stuff like that and that's what we saw on that one awesome play that they made. So you might say again, oh, it's the Browns. You know, they have a good defense though. Like they have a guy who has fucking, who was about to, you know, break the record for sacks in the NFL. Like they have some fucking studs on defense.

And they're actually, they've allowed only 35% success rate against play action, which is six best in the league. So it's good to see these things kind of come to fruition for the Bears. And, you know, it's kind of, it's showing off here. Like, they're, they're in a pretty good spot as far as the, the playoff picture. The AFC North playoff picture does get a little bit confusing. We're just talking about that, you know, with the Packers and some of their injury woes. But the Bears are up half a game over the Packers because of that tie to the Cowboys. Speaking of Cowboys, Reed, can you give me a idea of this NFC North playoff picture?

Because I'm a little bit fucked up about it. It is convoluted. the Packers at 9, 4, and 1, they're at the top. They have a 91% chance to make the playoffs per the athletics playoff predictor. The Bears at 10 and 4 are at 85% to make the playoffs. The Lions 8 and 6, they're at 25%. To win the division, though, the Packers are at 43%, the Bears are at 53. The Lions have a small chance at 5%.

Yeah, man. That thing just got pretty dicey, didn't it? And honestly, does that mean what if the Vikings have no shot? Nope. Vikings are done. All right, good. Not that I'm anti-Vikisans. My brain can't take another team possibly like getting in.

I really hope the lions make it work. I want the Packers to get in to, you know, because I picked them to win the division. So I want them to win the division. So I'm not an idiot. I've kind of fallen in love with what the bears have done. I want them in. I want the lions in too. just put everybody in dude so coming down uh coming down to the wire here the rest of this season

let me read you off the schedule so for the packers they play at the bears this coming weekend on saturday then saturday the 27th they go to balt or they play baltimore at home in green bay and then week 18 they go to minnesota Chicago they see uh green bay this weekend at home then they go at San Francisco, then they stay home Detroit week 18. The Lions, Steelers this coming weekend, then they go at Minnesota on Thursday Christmas Day, then week 18, they go to Chicago. What?

I want to ask your opinion on just the Art of Tankin. Yeah. Have you ever seen them switch the quarterback's wristband out? Bro. Is this like a, are they, are the, bro? How do I say this? How do I say this? as delicately as possible.

If only the wristband wasn't messed up this week, they might have won that game. The Bears won 31.3, by the way. Have you ever heard that? But have you ever heard that? No, because. Giving a wrong wristband to a quarterback. I don't want to talk on things that I have to.

I didn't play offense in the NFL. I didn't play quarterback. I was an offensive coordinator. Shador said it fell off or something. Or the sheet fell out. I don't know what the fuck happened there, but what I'm not going to do is like, I'm not going to,

I'm not going to concede to a bunch of people that no matter how that game ended was going to say, he's still Tom Brady. I'm going to do the thing that we've been doing here for the duration of the season. Now, we'll continue to do it. He is a rookie. He's a fifth round draft pick.

And the expectations that have been put on him are totally unfair. And it's a lot of his own, fans doing it because and whether you think this is fair or not eventually people start to dislike the player because of the players fans and that's the dumbest shit in the world I can rise above it that's how I feel about Trevor Lawrence Chris but you care you well I mean but but if we're going to wake up after a game like that and blame the the browns for the performance which I thought yesterday I'm just going to be honest because I've

been honest through three, four games of this. And I didn't want to say it, but then I saw the fucking wristband thing. He looked borderline unplayable at times, and then the big plays happen, right? So like, if we can just, I think if, if I'm, and it's the Browns, so do I think this is going to happen? No. But if I'm coaching Shador Sanders, it's all about timing. It's the same thing.

It's like, hey, it's perfect timing. It's just get the ball out on time, run the offense. I know it's not a great offense to be running, but it ain't like they don't have anybody that he can throw the ball to. He's got a good little rapport with the tight end. As bad as people, I know Jerry Judy is now like he's Mussolini or something

because he dropped the Shador pass. But Shador missed him on third and five and third and eight. But that was a nice-ass pass. That was a great pass. Oh, man. That was a great pass. But I'm just not with the first takey shit, dude. I'm just not with it.

I want the kid to develop. I want him to take his time. I don't want too much to be put on the kid. It's his fourth fucking start. And he's a mid-round pick. And the problem is when people get into this thing where they get this, you know, you become a mascot. I don't know if you realize this,

but like if you're online and the first thing you do on a Monday morning is wake up to overanalyze a kid fifth round picks performance, then you're a mascot. You're not, you know, you're not really a football. fan you're you're you're you're kind of like it's kind of like being a music fan or like a you know fan of an actor you're like a fan of a celebrity just analyze the football game and the football game tells me that they played a good football team it wasn't his best game go get him next week it doesn't need to be about the wristband or sabotage or this they threw the ball 40 times if they'd have thrown the ball

20 times i'd have heard he was sabotaged just at a point like every analyst is going to reach a breaking point where they're like, bro, I can't listen to this shit anymore. Just analyze the game. It's not about the fucking wristband. Not to add more. And it's not a big play. I know Jerry Judy dropped that ball. It's not a big play. At that point, they're down what in the game? 21-3. The next time they touched the ball down 283. They were not going to win that game. It's a bad football team. He's a mid-round pick. Give him time. The way footballs were leaving Caleb Williams' hands and finding DJ Moore's hands,

they were not going to emerge that game victorious. No. It wasn't happening. Bears were a fucking good football team now, which is kind of what we said is why I gave the bears out and people looked at me like I had a dick on my forehead. I'm like, man, what do you want me to do? Like, you know what I'm saying?

Like, I'm looking at one team that's kind of hapless and the other one's going to the playoffs and the other team can run the ball. They can run the fuck out of the ball. And so I know that there were some people that were like, yo, Brown's are going to win this game. Shoulder was going to outplay Caleb Williams. I just fly on the wall, what are they saying on their programs this morning?

Are they being accountable or are they talking about a wristband? It's not about the wristband. Because Shador ranking out of 44 quarterbacks who have logged at least 165 snaps, he is 44th in EPA plus CPOE, adjusted to EPA per play, EPA per play, success rate, CPOE, and complete percentage. But he's just a rookie quarterback. He's a rookie quarterback. quarterback, give him some time.

You want to talk about a rookie quarterback that I think has been... Yo, Reid. Did Reid just killed him. What the fuck? What did he do? What did he do? Why'd you bring that stat level? Well, you're not allowed to.

It's like, you know, you got to not. I got a nod along through a couple weeks of like, yo, it's Tom Brady. The fucking stats, these are my least favorite stats where people are like, yo, only people. player to do like it's like to drive a red car and and throw for over two touchdowns in a game that you know it's 41 degrees on a Thursday and arrive 30 minutes of of pregame I'm like bro like can we you're doing the kid at this service you're putting a target on his back whether you want to admit

that or not that's the way the world works dude give him a fucking chance dude to just develop here you go Nate here's one through three career the first three career starts Tom Brady five 143 passing guards. Shador Sanders, 723. Tom Brady, two touchdowns, three interceptions. Shador Sanders, five touchdowns, two interceptions. Uh-oh. And then people are like, man, people really hate Shador.

I'm like, they hate you. They don't hate Shador. They hate you. Because you just say it whatever, dude. You're just saying things. Bro, you're not watching the game. You're just saying things, dude. Stop saying things.

You want to talk about a rookie quarterback? that I think might be the guy. Wait until we get to the fucking triangle. I want to talk about shock. You get a shock tonight. Yeah. Before we head to Bermuda,

we're heading west to L.A. Rams and Lions. A little bit of a revenge game. You guys got this Rams Lions for a minute. Well, I, you know, I got to, I'm like getting Philip Rivers age. My prostate's getting old. I got a piss.

Bo, Rams Lions. Would you love for them? Rams Lions. You know, I'm just going to start from a fucking reaction-based thing initially. I was shocked to hear that Aiden Hutchinson has more career interceptions on Soss Garner. I believe Hutch has five and Soss Garner only has three.

I thought that was a very interesting step, but really good pick from Hutch in that Lions, Loss of the Rams. He did get hawked, absolutely hawked down. I think it was by the tight end. So just want to point that out quick because I thought that that was a really cool step. But as far as the game itself, this was a fun game to watch. I mean, obviously the revenge storylines and things of that nature.

But I've just really enjoyed watching the connection between Matthew Stafford and Puka Nakua. Puka had nine receptions for 181 yards. He didn't have any touchdowns. But he's like definitely the go-to guy of that offense. You know, just continue to talk about the Rams offense. Unfortunate injury for Devante Adams. So he was kind of dinged up going into the game with a hamstring during the course of that game. He pulled up on a deep shot and it looks like a pretty tough hamstring injury.

So hopefully he can get healthy for the playoffs because he's a crucial part of that Rams offense, especially, you know, down in the red zone, down on the goal line, things of that nature. But I was thinking about how the Rams offense can move forward without Devante Adams. The good news is like if you remember, Puka was hurt at other times during the season. And that was actually when like Devante Adams stepped up. But you saw Sean McVeigh and the Rams offense go to a lot more 12 and 13 personnel. that's been kind of fun to watch is like the evolution of how the Rams can get to all their different things you know a lot of the same like they have these almost utility skill pieces especially guys like Puka and then get to all their you know their primary offensive looks with a bunch of different guys I don't know do you have any thoughts on that Nolan that to me is kind of the biggest thing for the Rams offensively is you know how they kind of backfill with Devante Addo's being gone how do you see them using you know their offensive dudes with him out, Noel.

I think you said it. I think tight-end usage is going to be huge. And you actually saw it in that game yesterday, too. Colby Parkinson, I'm pretty sure there's a career game for him in terms of receiving yarders going for, you know, five reception, 75 yards, two tuds. Davis-Allen had a few grabs as well. There were a lot of targets or a couple big targets to Terrence Ferguson. You know they want to get him involved. So I think the tight ends is going to be a big thing for them.

And also in this game, you know, both eyes. Offenses were rolling at different points. The Rams, after that hutch pick, they really got, they were really clicking. But to me, as I was watching, going through that first half, I was just waiting for the Rams defense to get a stop. Like you just felt like they need to get a stop here. They need to get this offense off the field. Finally, the third quarter, I think that's where this game was really won.

The Rams won the third quarter, 17-0. Three third-quarter possessions. Rams ran 22 plays, 179 yards, 17 points. had about 11 minutes of possession. You compare that to the Lions. Two possessions there, six plays for minus seven yards. They punted twice. So I think that was kind of in a game that was,

it was the high scoring game we expected. It kind of came down to the defense, which defense was going to make more stops. And really that past rush we've been seeing with the Rams all season, Kobe Turner, winning some rushes, jarring averse, winning some rushes, forcing errand throws.

So, but it was, it was some offensive fireworks on both sides, for sure. Which is what we said it was going to be. Chris, you said that on Thursday. Yeah, just a lot of scoring, man. Now, this was the game that kind of got caught in the crossfire of the 4 PMs for me. So, you know, did it look like, you guys probably already said this while I was, you know, in the John?

Did it look like the ram, how did the Rams corners hold up? Was there anything you learned about this game when it? comes to like the playoffs like is there anything matchup wise that you see with the rams coming out of a game like this where you're like damn i don't love the matchup as much i liked early in the year if the rams played team x or y like you know what i'm saying yeah i think i got to go ahead bow go go ahead no no you go ahead i got to look some shit up real quick well i think in terms of the corner question it's it's a similar problem facing them with i mean really any defense in the league but like what the Packers are now up against where Russian covers work together.

Right. I think these Rams' corners have overperformed relative to expectation this season, but what's helped them is having the past rush that they've had. And that's what happened in the first half where the lines were able to score the way they did. The past rush wasn't there. So the corners got eaten up a little bit. They did. I mean, Gough 8 of 8 on in breaking rounds in the first half.

They scored, we were talking about the Mills concept. They scored on two of them. Same fucking concept twice in a row, dude. It's dressed it up differently. Right. For the listeners, Mills concept, you get a post and a dig from the same side trying to high-low the half-fail-the-saf. That's a cover four-beater.

Yep, cover four-beater. They worked it really well. First one, they dressed it up with, I think the first one went to a moneron, the second one to Jamo, maybe a little bit. Maybe I haven't mixed up, but they dressed them up differently, hit them both. So they did. They were able to get after the secondary a little bit with that pass rush, not clicking. Yeah, and I think to answer your original question,

Chris, just a little bit. If there's anything I'm worried about the Rams in the playoffs, I think I'll know a lot more after this Thursday night game against the Seahawks. Like, think about like how their corners are going to cover JSN, whether or not the, you know, the front seven defensively for the Rams can get to Darnold and kind of protect those corners. I feel like that is, it's got to be the most excited I've been for a Thursday night football game in a while when they go up to Seattle.

So that'll be a big tell right there. Did golf play that bad? no oh i just got outscarred yeah the big swing i saw a comment in here kind of shitting on golf i was like uh first half he was oh fucking yeah okay the big swing mcdc was too uh the rams allowed a 43.8 percent success rate to the lines in the first half they clamped down in the second half 28.1 uh the rams defense forced punts on the line's first three possessions uh enough for you know to create that separation but nate you were going to say something yeah i was going to say team that are playing the Rams,

they got to stop Puka when he's in motion. Puka leads the NFL with 355 yards when he is, after he's put in motion. Free access. Yeah. So if you're a defense and a defensive coordinator, I mean, you've got to pay attention and kind of expect Puka to be getting the ball.

That guy with a full head of steam at the snap. Not fair. He's just such a dog. The way they've used him a couple times, inserting, I think Nolan, you pointed it out in between the tackle and the tight end. Well, it marries up with their play action because they can use him as a blocker. And that's the nice thing about having a guy like that who can block his ass off is,

you're not like, why is he in here? A guy that wants to block his ass off. It's a difference between he can do it. He can and he wants to. But he wants to. Yeah. So what that does is that, you know, when all of a sudden he's in the sea yap or whatever, and, you know, he's come in motion, he chops down, you know, short motion or whatever it is.

and people are like, oh, you could be in the run fit. You know, and you've got a lot of guys who, you know, if you're in coverage, your eyes are in. Eyes are so important. All of a sudden, this guy's in the scrumment. You can lose them. And I was kind of curious, has something come out about Devante Adams' injury yet? I'm sure you guys have already talked about it, but.

Looked it up. Because that looked bad. You know, like the hammy at full speed, especially when you come into the game and supposedly the hammy was biting him a little bit. He's status and doubt for. for Thursday, Week 16, I'm sure that's going to be a quick turnaround. Yeah. But nothing on the severity yet that I'm seeing.

I think I saw for me in Rapport today. The hope is he's going to be back for the playoffs. So probably looking, being without him for a couple weeks. I feel like Wii 16 was just a injury fest. You know, a lot of big games. Awful. Awful. Most receiving yards per game in NFL history.

Puka right now is top with 19.7. Justin Jefferson, 90.8. Jemar Chase. 87.6 and then Calvin Johnson 86 and Antonio Brown 84. He's he's he's unbelievable he's having a year and and we think about target shares like he's got to share all that with with with Devante and so if devante doesn't play on Thursday do the sea do the Seahawks do a little one I think the Seahawks are going to win this game yeah I've been saying that for weeks I think it's really hard to sweep a team in the NFL it's even harder to go up there and beat him a second time the law of averages man

Like, you know, you had Darnold who kind of defies the law of averages sometimes, but throwing four picks in that game or whatever it is, he couldn't play worse. They have a chance to kick and win that game. And, you know, the Rams are also down Lake in their secondary compared to what they were at that point in that game. And so I just, I feel like if I had to guess, this is a game that goes Seattle's win. It sets up for a really interesting finish down the stretch. but I'm not writing the Rams off You know, I think the world of this football team

I actually think they're probably a better football team than Seattle But Seattle, and a lot of that is the quarterback But Seattle, this week, I think it's their week The Rams really, I mean, there was no look ahead About it here. You know, a little slow start, but in the second half, Third quarter, man, fuck.

Third quarter. And I know you guys brought this up, but, you know, Rams, fourth downs. From what it looked like, the Rams had their way and got to have it situations. Also the Parkinson thing. I wanted to that you guys talked about that. What was the deal with that call? Parkinson's knee being down.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, we did not talk about that. That was a ridiculous call. I mean, they called them, set a touch on. Who was at Dean Blanino? He's like, that's egregious. It was terrible. I saw that.

It was like a yard and a half short, man. That was tough. All right. So that haven't been. said we got to mention the Eagles before we're getting the flyovers because look at the we've already looked at the aFC playoff picture but uh maybe the NFC or we've looked at the NFC playoff picture the Eagles obviously are uh are sitting pretty they're not going to lose that division unless something terrible happens um you know here are the things I noticed watching

the game number one a lot more motion in the run game um a lot more emotion in the run game I think that was up maybe 10% is what we came up with And then, you know, I thought the under center snaps were a lot more prevalent, 2X, you know, the normal amount of under center snaps. I think the run game is encouraging for sure, the commitment to it. Like you come out the first drive and, you know, they're like, hey, you know, I know it's been a rough couple games, Jalen, we're going to let we're going to let the big boys get this thing under control. And that's what they did. And, you know, from a standpoint of the passing game, there's certainly more stuff to be excited about. like you know, schematically, they made some tweaks.

I thought more play action, play pass was, was encouraging. I thought some of the red zone stuff that Dallas got it was really good. Some creative play calls. A couple quarterback runs that were designed that I liked. You know, if you're hoping I come away from this game and I'm saying like, oh, the Eagles are back. I'm not, you know, I don't know how you go from the sky is falling to like, hey, we're back because you beat that. I don't care if it's 48 or something. And that's not me throwing.

I just can't fix my face to lie to you and be like, yeah, I saw enough. I need to see them finish the season strong, right? You've got two division games against the commanders coming up and obviously the Bills game, which is going to be huge and it's going to be a good barometer to see where you're at. But I think more than anything, what I want to see over the last couple games is consistency in the past game, like consistent timing in the past game. And, you know, you can scheme up, plays the flat and, you know, shots or, you know, like an in-cut every now and again.

But I want to see a little bit more consistency in the past game. This wasn't the game to do it. But the one thing I liked about this game, though, from a run game standpoint was you can playing the Raiders and playing the commanders the next couple weeks. If you take care of business early in games, you can do a couple things. Number one, you can try different concepts. You can fuck with stuff, right? because you have the, you know, the gap to do that. You can also get a look at, and I don't mean right now,

but like you can rest your quarterback a little bit. It was good to see Tanner at the end of the game. I thought he looked good. I thought he moved the ball. They were in rhythm. It's garbage time. And it certainly has nothing to do with the current quarterback controversy or anything like that.

But every snap he's on the field is a snap that Jalen Hertz is sitting and resting and not getting hit. and it also gets him ready for, you know, the circumstance when you do have a running quarterback and to me, like, this is burn the ship's mode for the Eagles. Like, you need to tick up the run game with the quarterback. He might take a hit at some point. He might have to miss a series. He might have to miss a half.

Shit, everybody knows the story in 17. It's good to get looks at what you have in the backup, and I thought he performed pretty well. So a positive day at the office, kind of a workshop day for the Eagles, in my opinion, schematically, and just to make sure you get back on track and get the morale up. They're going to get Lane Johnson back at some point. You know, I don't know when that is, but that's going to help a great deal. That is. And then from there, you just have to get rhythm in the passing game because, you know, I still want to see that.

A wild stat. Go ahead, Bo. I was just going to say I got one thing off this game. It's nice to not, you know, it's nice to have. a blah man 31 to 0 but our boy brandon graham had two sacks how fucking bg bro bg talk about he's the defensive philip rivers exactly exactly um yeah yeah no it's a good question facts in the chat's asking how is it's not a flyover with 18 emojis it is sort of a pseudo flyover we're going to move on i bet you we spend more time on the jags game you asked that in the chat

Yeah. Yeah, that's trash. Real fast, just say it. Yeah. Seriously. Yeah. Just looking forward to the... I don't want to interrupt him while he was talking, so that's the better way to do it.

Yeah. Just... That's what I do. Looking forward to the last three games for the Eagles, you talked about, you want to see more consistency. They have the commanders, then the Bills, then the commanders, a Bill's sandwich. If you're the Eagles, you clinch next week, um, do you rest anybody? against the bills or is that a game you think you need to get you have that consistency and you need home field advantage in the in the playoffs you got to keep playing you know i look at the picture i mean i'm

i could be wrong but to me it's you know right now the eagles are third yeah i mean like behind the bears rams have already closed you got stuff to play for and and i also don't think this is an offense you can just say hey like have a seat yeah yeah yeah yeah you have a seat he's in the barn With the offense heating up. Exactly. Right. When we get to the Jags, Fax is going to tell me I glaze the Eagles, even though I said, like, that wind doesn't really do much for me.

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and it wasn't I'm just going to tell you because the bengals were bad in this football game you know Joe Burrow was bad in this football game Joe Burrow was bad in this football game Joe Burrow didn't play his best. I want to give the Ravens defense credit on the backhand. They had him holding the ball at times. They limited the big plays. But I thought, I thought like, you know, you come away from this game. If you're a Ravens fan, you say, oh, wow, we shut them out.

And, you know, the offense is back on track. I don't think much like the Eagles game, but, you know, I think the Eagles are better than the Ravens for sure. I don't think the Ravens took the big step forward that the scoreboard tells you that they did. I think, again, a lot of, like, there were plays in this game where Cense Zon line just cut the three tech loose, like on a third. Yeah, it was crazy, bro. Like, and the pick in the, uh, the pick six at the end of the game, bro got fucking flat. Dude. Did you all see that hit?

He got killed, dude. And, uh, if you consider like everything we talked about this week with his psyche and where the, the team is, like, that was just a brutal loss. But the thing I will say, and this is what I got excited about watching, was there were multiple scrambles in the first half of this game by Lamar that to me he looked healthier than he's looked in months. Now, I don't know if that's an aberration or if I just misread it, but, you know, we obviously, he's been dealing with injuries that were on the injury report and then some that I think weren't even on the injury report

if I had to guess. And I think part of being a player in the NFL is at times, you know, you're out there whether you're, whether you're hurt or not. And for him, he can't be like, yeah, my hamstrings kind of fucked up this week. Like, he's got to go out and play. And sometimes you kind of guard and you don't open it up and you kind of put the governor on yourself, right, so that you don't worsen an injury. And at times, like, because of just time past or, you know, you're not doing as much late

in the season. You can take a big jump physically. And, you know, like I think for Lamar, maybe this week he kind of, you kind of I felt like he'd turn the corner because there are a couple scramble plays specifically in the first half, one of them for a 15-yard game. Nothing like crazy, right? But just to his standard that looked like him. And he also threw some beautiful balls.

I want to give Zay Flowers a fucking metal for laying out for that ball before the half. I think it was Jordan Battle had a chance to just decapitate him. It was a gorgeous hospital ball on the right sideline. and Zay laid out for that thing. But I just think I saw a little bit of that Lamar magic. And another thing I liked was Keaton Mitchell out of the backfield. I've been pushing for this guy to be a bigger part of the offense for a long time. It took way too, way too long to get him the ball this year.

So, yeah, positive. But again, like, I can't help thinking what I think about the Ravens. You know, like when they were great, they were still a question mark in the playoffs. now they're just decent and I don't know yeah I mean Chris to me this this win here is akin to like beating a shitty AFC East team like 48 to 20 or something like that you know I think that's that's that's kind of what it is but a couple I mean a couple are interesting things I had to be a bucks fan right now after this week to talk I'm a bucks fan all of a sudden all righty moving on I know uh the uh the uh Since he had the ball for almost 40 minutes and did not score a point, which is crazy.

Just imagine being on the offense, having that time of possession and walking away from the game empty-handed. And then I think it's just, you know, you talked a lot about the Ravens. This was all over social media. And it's like you see all this shit from Cincinnati about the organization and how shitty of a franchise they are. And people call them the poverty franchise and stuff. It's like, can you imagine being a Bengals fan? being excited to play a division opponent going to the game getting to your seat and just realizing that they didn't clear off any of the snow and then fucking taking your hands wipe it all that snow off

and then watching your team get beat 24 to zero it's just that's a tough place no it's brutal you got to give the raven's credit they they won a game 24 nothing we're not saying hey but we're getting close to the playoffs and it is really hard for me to like dream up a scenario where i'm like They just turn it on and look, you know, two, three ticks better than they have all year. Now, maybe a lot of it is Lamar playing possum to preserve his body. And, you know, like, as I said, like, maybe he's turned a corner a little bit. But I still don't love their offense even if he's healthy, you know, in play. Real quick, Chris, we got some Twitter figures here from facts.

He goes, Bo claims the bucks when they win and then try to distance themselves and they play like trash. So funny. Baker Mayfield, MVP. Oh, my God. So many weeks ago. i don't i don't come in here and hijack the fucking podcast every week like some sort of jacksonville terrorist and hold everybody jackson jacksonville antifa where are they headquartered perfect i can't say so great you touch the mic at the perfect time because you're muted oh that's he

i don't want to say fucking you've muted yourself dude god god god forbid i'd cheer for my bucks yeah god forbid just a guy cheering for your team and that's why we're gonna we're just gonna we're gonna throw you the ball right now go run with it dude dovo i can't believe you had to wait this long either that was my bad no it's all good man it's just i i knew you guys were going to do this do what no one's doing anything why would you let me start talking about one of the greatest quarterback performances in NFL history and it's so funny because has your quarter how many games would it take freaking jalen hurst to throw five

two wait wait wait you're just mixing and matching no i know but it's just like all of you guys bo-nicks four touchdowns so what we had six over here bro but to be fair with the jets you guys are gonna take shots at other people the jets know how many teams have the jets played god damn this how many

I've never seen somebody die so hard on a hill I'm just saying how many teams have thrown for six touch I mean have scored six touchdown how many quarterbacks to just the shit. I know, but like, to be fair, the points you made was like, fuck the Bo Nick's performance. All he did was in the biggest game of the week. His team's 10 and, what are they, 11 and 12 and 2? My team has 10 wins also. But no, you don't have as many as the Broncos. No, not as many. No, we don't, but we have 10 also. We have 10 wins. So what you do is you drag

people in these arguments that are bad faith arguments. And then we were in the mud with you. Trevor Lawrence, Trevor Lawrence and the Travis Intian, that combo, date. and all the way back, these guys have a natty championship together, and they're still doing it. Ooh, you might want to look at the chat. Hey, hey, and they're still, and they're still doing it. Three receiving touchdowns to your running back, to your starting running back is amazing. And then Trevor having 51 rushing yards is just icing on the cake. But more importantly, the Jags have won five straight.

And I hear everyone talking all this stuff, but I just know that if the Jags, They are heading into the postseason the way you want to play. And it's all funning games and going to be jokes until we whoop the Broncos' ass next week. And everyone's going to have to actually talk about the Jags and be like, hey, are the Jags serious? Because we thought the Broncos are really serious. I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just projecting what's going to happen. Projecting is the key word.

But, yeah, or, or just like we do all the time, the Jags will win, and we'll put the game in the flyover. and it's all good, but it's all good because... We literally started the show last week with the Jags, true or false. No, it's okay, bro. Last week, you talk about last week. What have you done for me lately? Like, the Jaguar, we won by 28 points.

I came in here and immediately started talking about the Jags, and we talked about them. Like, we literally talked about them immediately upon starting the podcast. Yeah, we were like, whatever you want. You know, Trevor Lawrence is the best quarterback of all time, six touchdowns. That's what we did. I'm sorry, guys, that you guys, we can't talk about Patrick anymore for the rest of this year. And instead, it's going to be substituted with Jacksonville because we're in and they're done.

And I love, I'm happy for my. I'm sorry, my man crush beat your Patriots. My man crush beat your Patriots. And hey, my man crush. Who did you have won't win the AMC? It's so, it's so great for this game and this week. And I wasn't going to say anything, but then you started these outbursts. And also Nolan's, Nolan's man crush.

No, I didn't. Beat his Raiders. Yeah, dude. Your, your FACC West champion team got knocked off. Your Super Bowl team in the Packers got knocked off. Oh, man. Because I'm such a big bucks. They're at the top of the NFC South, too.

The Bucks are. No, I know. My team's been the top of our division, too. Dude, I think Trevor's been playing great. The highlights that I saw yesterday. He was offended. I didn't watch the game. I'm like, bro, like, that's, no offense.

It's a Jets game. He's going to be. He had one of the best. It's like I didn't watch Bill's Panthers that closely. It's one of the NFL season this year. I know. I don't doubt it. He had one.

The highlights have been incredible. The highlights have been incredible. What do you want? No, I'm just, bro. Trev had a good game. And I text the chat in the first quarter. All you guys, I was like, hey, Trevor looks like he's having one of those old school Clemson ballout games.

And he did. Yes. But I thought you're about to say we like push back. We are literally point of least resistance. Whatever you want to do with the Jags, we'll get out of the way. And we talk about frosting on the cake. Trevor can put all the frosting on your cake he wants. And we'll just sit there and watch you fucking slurp the Jags, bro.

We don't care, dude. Oh, man, it's going to be so great because the Jags, they're just going to be so good for years to come. And everyone's just like, all you haters, you just got to deal. Nobody. Bro, we're not hating that. You're a hater, dude. You're a hater. Do you realize that?

Don't you guys act like? You're acting like Richard Sherman. You're acting like this. We're really not. Richard Sherman was visibly shaken. Stor, hey, hey, man, just let Trevor be him. It's okay if you don't think he's good, but we're winning games. But you didn't a month ago.

Huh? You didn't a month ago. No, I know, but I always said. So how are you doing this? No, because we're winning games. And my issue is, if you play bad enough that we're going to lose with the defense that we have, yeah, I'm going to talk shit. Yeah, but Liam Cohen did it for all the fans. He got in Trevor's face and told him, hey, get it together and look, he's doing it.

Yeah, but, yo, hey, I got a level. for a second. I don't know about the guy on the, I don't know, but hey, it's me. It's me. All right? It's me. Remember the guy? Took you on your recruiting visit? Okay, it's me. I have been, we are, we sound like the same person. Love the team. Quarterback had to prove it to you too as a month ago. And he's proving it. He's proving it. So not, so we don't this, we don't disagree on anything. No, we don't. The only thing I think we maybe disagree on is that they're the best team in a league. No, I think they're the best team in the league right now, the way that they're playing

and the momentum that they're taking at the end of the... What about the Broncos? Yeah, we play them next week. We're going to knock them all. Like, kudos to the Broncos. Kudos to the fucking Broncos. Liam Cohen versus Sean Payton is going to be electric next week. It's going to be electric.

And I got Liam. It is going to be a fucking... We need a live-wash. game. Yeah. Honestly, we need to live watch that game. I don't care. Fuck, dude. Well, I'll do, I won't get any work done. You just come over Sunday. Everybody in here, we're going to live watch the motherfucker. You better war in the neighborhood. Like, hey, you're with it. Some do-ball. We're going to see. Everything's okay. I'm not sure if I want to live watch a game with you guys. You guys might piss me on. Why? You guys might piss me off.

Oh, my God. The sound of the man in fear. Okay. Now, can we, do you, what else do you want to say about the Jags? Did you see what? Before I move on to the flyovers. Did you see what Travis E.N. said after the game, he said, never seen Trevor play like this before.

Him and me both. He's never seen it. And he won a Natty widow. No, I know. Him and me both. I know. That's the point. Like, you got to be, you know, at some point, like, NFL fans.

and I'm certainly not calling you a fan like this, but like NFL fans, it's just too personal, man. It's just too like you personalize it too much. Like you also had doubts about your quarterback six weeks ago. You know, like I can guarantee you if you're a Jags fan, you did. That guy's playing a lot better, but you can't go scorched earth on everybody that was like, you know, I don't know if I trust the quarterback

because you were in the same boat. That's the point. You know what I'm saying? It just gets a little, it's like partisan politics, dude. You know, it feels like it's, it's midterms around here. Yeah, I prefer nuanced football conversation, Chris. I don't know if these Jacksonville things that we do are nuanced football conversation, but I think they are. I think they are nuanced.

Teams leading the division is not nuanced. No, exactly. Dude. Fucking idiot, Beau. Stupid fucking idiot. He's fucking loser. Stupid. of our. Oh, man. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, well,

insult me all you want, all right? Insult the bucks. No, I'm just joking insult my mustache again. I'll crawl through this computer and strangle you. The bucks are playing possum, by the way. Hey, I saw the, um, speaking of Florida teams, I saw the audio of, um, you know, there's some audio of Vita Vaya and, and Hassan Reddick walking off the field. I'll tell you what they said. He said, it's, if it's an exit, pick it's a sack. Like, go make the play. Now, I don't know. I haven't had the time to go back and look and see if they missed an opportunity late in that game is rushers but that's what they're saying i believe an exit e-e-first tackle around and first tackle

around he's pissed because somebody opted out of an exit maybe somebody called an exit and then run it um i just think that that's the worst that was one of the worst fucking losses i've seen this NFL season losing that game to a team that had 20 penalties and yeah with the lead i mean it was And then that fumble. I mean, I fell asleep. He cried. Watching that Thursday night game. Yeah, I wouldn't put on some Nora Jones in my car and cried afterwards. You don't know who Nora Jones is. Man, you better find out. I woke up and I, Kirk-O-Chains got the ball with whatever it was left and, you know, didn't really have any timeouts. I can't even remember. I was like, all right, I'm going to go to bed.

woke up, checked the score, and they lost and I was like, oh my God, I was shook. Do you want to know something, Kyle? My brother, Kyle? Tell me. Go ahead. Tell me the whole thing. But then what? Oh, but then your young prince,

Prince who was promised. Prince was promised fumbled the bag. Well, he didn't fumble the bag. He didn't fumble the bag. And you're going to do the thing. You all didn't watch the game. Bryce didn't follow the bag. I did not watch that game.

Bryce. I can keep hearing this. Bryce was cooking. Here's what happened to me last Sunday. Speaking of that, I didn't see the game. I fell asleep. Remember at the beginning of the slate, Kyle FaceTime me at like 105? And he knows that's the worst time to FaceTime me,

but he facetime me anyways. And he looks at the phone and had the nerve to go, hey, I didn't see the ACC championship last night. How did that go? And in his defense, he didn't really know how it went. That was his way of asking. and expected me not to think that he was fucking with me so i said to kyle i said kyle i got to go have a nice day swear he was mad at me for five days we haven't talked in like a week i sent him a couple

memes to try to break the ice he wasn't even he got mad um all right so let's let's take off it's time to take off um yeah um yeah we've got uh we've got the fly We got the flyovers. Seahawks Colts. Philip Rivers Hemingway. Seahawks Colts. Yeah, sure. Let's do it.

Oh, yeah. I don't want to beat this guy. But, well, can I say something quick? Because I've been cooking on this all day and I've been excited about it. The chat's lighting up with people who didn't watch the game talking to me about Bryce Young, people that did not watch the game. But that's okay. You guys are all geniuses.

Go ahead. Bo, light up. I was just going to say this is. you know, made a literary reference earlier. This is our Hemingway game. We can call it the old man in the sea hawks. Old man in the... That's good.

That's fucking good. I've been waiting all day to say that. I already heard it, to be honest. That's a good one. I didn't try it out on the sea hogs. What's the name of the stadium? Lumen? Lumen. Sacrifice of Lumen?

Yeah. No, that was a... that bro here's the thing and i said this yesterday like when he was up there fucking checking shit and all this stuff like man he when you are a team that only has ambitions to go in three plays at a time if you can check them you you're into the right runs the right looks the right protections you got a shot and obviously this is shane's offense so that he's been running at his high school and they've been together since them what san diego before it was l.a and so you know like for me there were a lot of people this week i don't count myself and so i'm not like the person

that picked the colts to win i stared at that thing and wouldn't even bet it for fun because it's like you don't know what's going to happen in that game um i'd be curious how the market was on that like you know like who was who was betting which side which side was the public side but you know i i do know this like a lot of people compared it to it felt like the jeff saturday hire at coach i know we joked about that but it is not the same thing okay like it's not the same thing like and no quarterback got fucked over because philip rivers got signed i don't do that we're not doing that if anybody speak now forever hold your piece in this seriously if you think somebody got fucked over if there should have been somebody else who got the call oh got the call like that

yeah right we got fucked a little bit yeah maybe that that's what i'm saying maybe maybe Maybe. Maybe. Just for a legit shot. I think he might understand because of who it is, because you grow up a fan of the game. And, you know, like, and at the end of the day, you can't really argue with the results. If the defense gets to stop at the end of that game, you win it. But all the, like, you kick up, you kick the ball through the fucking uprights.

You win in Seattle. Devil's advocate. Yeah. You are a backup. You'd be like, it was a close game. I felt like, no question. If I'm in there, we can win a close game. No question.

Like with me versus some 44-year-old. No question. You know what I'm saying? That's the only push. But if you're on the street, I heard this like, hey, you know, it should have been Cam, which Cam kind of did the thing. And I think Cam is funny as fuck. And I think part of it is he's just being funny a little bit.

But like there's a clear reason why Philip Rivers was brought in to run this offense. Like that's the offense that he knows. He's familiar with it. And there's a lot of bad quarterbacks on the street. I'm not talking about other retired guys. But I'm talking about like, you know, why don't you bring in this? undrafted guy or this guy there's a lot of bad quarterbacks and this guy's seen a lot of shit and at the end of the game when he hit that fucking back shoulder fade on third and seven i was like oh my god

like and the funniest thing about philip rivers is we all kind of grew up watching philip rivers in that 4 p.m window playing in games that are just like they're Greek tragedies man a lot of times he was on the uh the ass end of those things and it ends up being the same thing but it almost feels like a win because he didn't die I? No, I was just about to say, Hey, kudos to the Colts online, like, in the office, just keeping him, like, yeah, keeping him alive because I think that's what everyone's

kind of, like, waiting for, but it's, like, the scary thing. And it's just like, it's like getting it again. Like, you know, you just wait for a guy to get his welcome to the end of the moment, like, when you really get hit by, like, an NFL player and you're, like, a running back or a wide receiver. Or a quarterback, like, the first time you get, blind side hit like how are you going to respond and it's not that everyone's waiting for that but i feel like everyone's kind of waiting for that to make sure he's not going to break in half

welcome welcome back to the NFL moment welcome back welcome back here are your teeth pick up your teeth and head back to indianapolis um i think the bigger story in this game because i'm still of the belief that like it would shock me if the colts did enough to get in like i'm not saying yeah i'm not somebody who's saying I was disrespectful to football that you know Philip Rivers is the quarterback I think it's good TV to be honest and I don't know the guy I mean I played against him some always respected him and you know I got a lot of respect for him I'll leave it at that so like if he wants to fucking do this another year go for it bro the football is better with you playing it but I will say the big story in this game is-piscals for the next five years yeah dude smart

Really smart. For 11 for 10 kids. Yeah. No, I know. Because even if I was watching that, hey, I respect it. I respect it. Because if you think about it, if I only had to play one game and just make sure I don't die. Somebody said, it looked like he was hiding a honeybaked ham.

Hey, you know, shout out to Mello with the dot. But they honestly. The memes, he really does look like an OC, offensive coordinator. If you go to a game and you've seen him like at the beginning. Yeah, like getting ready for the baby. You'd be like, oh, look at the coach out there. Get ready for the... Dude, him and Mike Kafka have the same workout plan.

Like, it's like, you know, it's treadmill. It's play catch. Like, that's what he's been doing. Same workout playing different vocabulary when they get frustrated. Dadgummit. Yeah, the other guy's like, mother fuck. Beep, beep, beep. He's regular Todd Bowles there.

You know, it's so funny seeing a bunch of people get all their panties in a water over Todd Bowles cussing. Like, we need more class out of a head coach. I'm like, quiet, piggy. Well, not the president, but you know, Todd Bowles needs to be classier at the fucking podium. If I was Todd Bowles, I'd be pissed, too, the way those motherfuckers were playing. And I'd be pissed that I'm the one, I'm the coach being talked about for being unprofessional when the other coach did a little, you know, Amazon halftime show.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah. No, I know. Yeah. I know. Rahim was like, Rahim was soaking it up, dude.

He was soaking it up. And then, and then our guy got in trouble. Yeah. You can tell he grew up with some white kids. That game. Also, like,

it's okay to change the name of some games. Like, it's not a big deal, dude. If it offended somebody, I'd just change the name of the game. Like, it's not a big deal,

dude. Bro, I've never heard that game for all that. Because you didn't, because you, it's kind of a white guy game, dude. But no,

we called it killed the carrier. We could kill the man with the ball. Yeah, like, we used to call it tackle the gentleman. I've never, I've never, ever heard, like, I don't know why. Like, I've never heard that term of a game. I never heard that either. Yeah. Surprising.

Kill the carrier was always, like. Yeah. Okay. So, anyways, I think the bigger story is how Sam Darnold handled the Blitz or didn't handle the Blitz. Nolan, what do you think? He handled the Blitz not as well as he did last week, but not as poorly as his. worst moments this season. The offense, obviously coming out of this game, 16 points, or 18 points,

sorry, against this Colts defense. You know, you kind of want to look under the hood, see what happened there. Two of 13 on third down, Blitz pickup, I think for the offense at large was an issue. I don't know if pass pro is really well designed. There's a third and eight early in the second quarter. Zach Charbonnet was tasked with picking up, lay out two, lot to rushing unabated off the edge. I mean, that's not a good design for any back in the league in pass pro. You don't want a big guy on a little guy

is the general rule of thumb in pass pro, and that's what happened there. I thought Louana Rumo did a great job with disguises in coverage, throwing changeups especially, mixing up cover three, cover four, cover six, different kind of safety rotations there,

prevented Darnel from kind of getting comfortable with what he was seeing in the secondary. But yeah, I think I think the blitz pickup remains an issue for this offense. Again, not quite, it wasn't as bad as it was in their worst moments, but you can see that this is the blueprint that every team's following. And the other thing that worked against the Seahawks offense in this game was they did not have much success running the football.

And that's a problem when you're facing the Colts because that group has struggled, that rushing defense in India struggled all season. It's what opposing offenses have built their game plans around, playing this team. I mean, we talked about Andy Reid earlier in the show, being very pass-reliant in his tendencies as a play caller. He handed the ball to Cream Hunt 30 times in that game when they played the Colts. So Seahawks only a 25% rushing success rate in this game against a defense that's allowed a 35% rushing success rate in the season. That's 31st in the league. So they couldn't run the ball well, pass pro, blitz pick up, remaining an issue for them.

And they got to get that tightened up in a hurry facing the Rams Thursday night. Yep, short week. Maybe a little look-ahead spot for them. I mean, we're playing a quarterback. It's a grandfather. Maybe we're not going to, you know, take them so seriously. But, you know, good teams find a way to win,

and they did find a way to win. I got to give them that. And speaking of good teams, I'm not going to say anything about the Texans, but, you know, maybe somebody that – Texans were like a – said it and forget it for me yesterday. it just felt like a game where they were going to beat the breaks off, the Cardinals.

End up being the, and I know we were looking at the number and saying, hey, nine and a half is a lot of points, man. Jeez. But it just ended up being a deal where all of a sudden the offense is competitive. Yeah. And I think that's the biggest thing that I'm seeing coming out of some of these games over the past four to six weeks is like you talk about the run game, you know, finding it in place you didn't think you'd find it.

And CJ Stroud kind of working his way back into the good grand. races, man. I mean, like, I thought the Kansas City win was enormous because it gives him an opportunity to, like, take some pressure off himself. And now in this stage of the season, just prime up for the postseason, man, because they're going to go. They're going to the postseason. Yeah, coming out of this game, I mean, we all know the defense is a superpower there in Houston. So I just peaked at the offense. Good performance overall from CJ. I think that the biggest reason for that was how well sequenced they were with the inside run game, marrying that with the play action passing game.

Chris, you've talked a lot on the show about how an efficient downhill rushing attack would work wonders for this offense. And you saw that in this game. They had a 38% rushing success rate on run designs between the B gaps. So inside zone and duo in this game. And put them in some shorter second and third downs that really allowed the play action and the quick passing game to pop. Texan 75% play action success rate in this game. No, there's people talking about breathing. Oh, okay.

Keep going. Is it me? No, it's, Beau. No, it's me. It's me. I was, I was thinking about the Texas. The AFC South. So I got the, I was bringing up.

Keep going with the play action pass, because I like where you're going. So play action pass looks really good in this game. 75% play action success rate compared to 39% in the season for them. So CJ, great game, multiple chunk completions. when he had time to execute him, rhythm also made some plays off schedule when he had to escape middle pressure. I think protection still wasn't great. CJ made it work.

The guards are a problem there. Ed Ingram, it's kind of a turnstile on pass pro. He saw it last week against Chris Jones and the Chiefs. And on the left side of that O line, Ursary and Howard, they're not passed and twists off real well. So I think that the protection remains a bugaboo, but when they can run the football, it works wonderful. So kind of, you know, we always talk about in the AFC, like the way the chiefs have gotten away with not having a lot of great rushes because that's not really a currency in the AFC. Right. Like you think about who are the matchups that really give them problems, which is a funny thing to say about like a seven seed.

But I think in the AFC, it's kind of like outside of a couple teams, it's, you feel like it's anybody's game. You know, there's a couple like front running teams right now. I certainly put the Jags in that. No bullshit. I put them in the, on the tail end of that, you know, Denver. and New England and Jacksonville group. But outside of that, I don't think their deficiencies

are deal breakers for them in the postseason. I think that's why it's interesting. If you got a problem at Guard, the chat is just frying. It's just chat's still frying, Bo. Yeah. He said Bo got long COVID. Somebody said, Bo got long COVID.

Bo need to switch to mentholz. Someone said that Bo popped a noister. But that was me. making that noise just to fuck with y'all i don't i don't have anything to say like just keep breathing just breathe i'm gonna be all right i promise yeah he's fine he's fine he's fine one dude to shout out from this game for the texans running back jawore jordan he saw his first live action two years in the peace squad 101 yards 15 carries he had a 50 yard run in third quarter about that he's a smaller back 510 186 but um really made

had some big plays on kind of perimeter run game stuff. That's huge, man. Just like, this is the time of the season where you don't know, somebody might pop up and be a big piece of your puzzle. And I think for the receivers outside, this is like a year-long deal where it's like you're watching guys grow up.

So they just got to stay out of third and super long, and I feel like they can hang. Okay, so we go ahead. Did you mention anything? Did we talk about tight ends? I was distracted by the chat. No, you go ahead. So the Texans defended the tight ends very well.

The tight end position all season, they only allowed four touchdown receptions entering Sunday. Trey McGrath scored twice. Could be a potential issue for the Texans because they have Brock Bowers, Mr. Gadsden, and Mr. Warren upcoming. Yeah, no question. I'd like to see how they defend those cats. Mr. Toto had a rough one yesterday. No question. I didn't see it, but I heard about it.

I read about it. Some people were complaining. You know, he's best running in a straight line. Yes. Preferably at somebody. He's a fucking, he's a battering ram. Yeah. He's a middle pressure guy. He's in the Kobe Dean type. You know what I'm saying?

Okay. So that was, there's your flyovers. Let's get lost. I'd love to get lost. The Bermuda Triangle. Trust the year. Where football games disappear. I don't know, Jim. this one might disappear

with me to the Bermuda Triangle you know customs of Bermuda Triangle is not real type you can get weed in and allegedly

allegedly we had three games get lost this week that we're trying to find damn three games man what's going on there's a thick haze

over the Bermuda Triang today. Roger Goodale must have got, we're going to do a couple games, by the way. We threw three games in the triangle. We threw the Giants and the commanders in the triangle. We threw the saints and the

Panthers in the triangle. The Panthers have to earn their way out of the triangle. And lastly, the 49ers and they were playing against that poor fucking rookie Cam Ward. Two weeks ago had to hear about how he was like the inferior player to Shador Sanders and now he's in the Bermuda triangle. So Roger Goodell was at actually the first game, which is wild to me. Roger Goodell must have gotten lost on his way to the Bahamas because there's no fucking

way the commissioner of the NFL should be at MetLife Stadium watching that football game, but he was. And in true Bermuda Triangle fashion, nobody saw the game. There were so many gray seats exposed in the telecast. I was kind of wondering, 25, 30,000 people? Like, what do you think? With their attendance is bullshit, obviously. Yeah, well, actually, it was a sellout.

They were doing a Halloween and old Halloween thing. Everyone dressed up like a chair. Oh, that's interesting. Reed, that's fucking, that's good. Yeah, it was a packed house. Very, very forward thinking. Packed house. And this was funny.

It was a great quote. Greg Van Roten, their guard said, we really haven't played well enough to deserve people coming out in a snowstorm to watch it. I get it is what he said in the famous words of Greg Van Rote. Losers of combined 15 straight, the Giants and the commanders, they took the field. And honestly, they missed a major opportunity not finding a way to tie the game because it's pretty disrespectful to break that streak. That's a hell of a streak they were working on.

I don't think the commanders had won since the game that made them three and two, I think, which feels like another lifetime when they beat the Chargers. Washington went up two scores in this game when Bill ran through a hole so big you could drive a Philip Rivers through it. And eventually they were up to their old commie tricks trying to redistribute the wealth by fumbling the ball four times and turning it over twice late. After Ben Sennett, inexplicably shook the fuck out of Javan Holland, Washington gives it away again in four-minute mode and a rugby match. If you see that play, that play was fucking insane. There were multiple laterals. And the Giants nearly pulled it out.

But good for the Giants because they're now in the driver's seat for the number one pick. And good for Dan Quinn. You know, this team hasn't won since, you know, what I mentioned was like October 5th. And you could really hear it in his voice. I'm happy for him. I'm happy for that team because they had higher aspirations. I don't know about the Giants, but they thought they were a playoff team. And I kind of agreed at the beginning of the season.

but injuries happen and it all fell apart. I think they still respect Dan Quinn. Big Blue, as I mentioned, number one in line for that first overall pick. And I think they might want to go with depth at the quarterback position because Jackson Dart is 50% blue tent rate right now. That is insane. Which is a bad deal. I can't wait after last Thursday show, Make and ask me who the Broncos are going to take at

quarterback position this year's upcoming draft. I can't wait to ask him the same about the job. Oh, it's a good question because this guy currently is hellbent on seeing how much tau protein he can accumulate. And on potential solutions, DART admitted maybe just run the other way. I have no idea. I'm not sure. That was his solution to avoid the blue tent. Defense is mixed bag.

Abdul Carter, my guy, really flashed, don't give up on him when he wasn't on Tunsel Island when he was on the mainland. Playing against anybody else on that front, he really bawled out. three tackles for loss, two force fumbles. He was in on a sack. He had a sack. And I'm not being funny. I'm not trying to big boy the guy because he's got a chance to be much better than yours truly. But the motherfucker just, if he can get in the weight room, dude, and he can get his play strength up, I'm telling you, there's some greatness in this kid.

And obviously, you want to pay attention to meetings and all that stuff. But, and if I were to show you the McLaren touchdown, you'd be surprised that it was snowing in the frame because it looked like, week one of training camp for this giant's defense shout out to our our Washington commander's caller um and that play actually came on your very first uh your very favorite down in distance which is first and 20 uh so they had them right where they wanted them young way coup somehow turned into old way coup uh because he missed two field goals uh last week he kicked the shit out of the ground um kickers man when it's over it's over huh um so next game is going to be Joe Horn Day in New Orleans.

Joe Horn Day, of course, is a call back to the 14th of December, 2003, which is the cell phone game. I personally wish cell phones look just like they did when Joe Horn pulled that cell phone out of the fucking goalpost. I think we'd all be better off for it. The thing I was most impressed about when I watched Tyler Shuck is he plays with timing and in rhythm. Some of the things we talk about with some other quarterbacks, right?

rookie quarterbacks, young quarterbacks, and especially intermediate throws, middle of the field. He threw a ball on the second, third down, that grazed Roseboom's helmet. He's dropping from the A-gap to the opposite hook-curl zone, and he fits it on the backside of his helmet between two guys. Like, he really understands space underneath. And, you know, I think the throw on, on, I forget it was second or third down in the red zone, but the one, He hit OLAV for the go-head touchdown and tying. It was the game winner to Olave. Shout out to the defense.

Stop the run. Saints' defense is playing for nothing. Right now they play hard as shit. The dirtbag that spit on Devante Smith a year ago played his ass off number 98. What's his name? Peyton. Peyton. Oh, it's allude me.

Turner. Turner. Turner. He played his ass off. Peyton Wilson's the Pittsburgh linebacker. He's got deceptive speech. And so yeah, I mean, Chase Young turned back the hands of time. Huge, huge strip sack.

Not strip sack. Huge sack. I don't want to say huge sack. Big important sack at the end of the game. And a nice chase down. There's no way to say that. Like when I was in the league, dude, I had these, my equipment guy, he's got the Jimmy Lake shot, Jimmy Lake, his kids.

We were all like tight. I loved his kids, man. But I get back in the locker room and I was sitting there with a towel on one time. and like the kid came up to me. He was like, nice sack. And we all just erupted laughing because like there's no good way to compliment somebody on the sack they just had. But that was a nice sack that Chase Young had. And, and, you know, so you said 90s, Brazil.

Not, was that you're talking about? Oh, no, 98, I said. Oh, 98 is Jonathan Bullard. No, is it? Really? For the Saints? Yep. Wow.

Who's the guy last year that spit on Devon Miss me? That was Peyton. Turner, but so he got cut? I believe so. He didn't play yesterday. He didn't play yesterday. I think I think about a little. They got a new number 98.

Peyton Turner's on the Dallas Cowboy. Oh, Karma fucking got him. What happens to Bermuda. Karma got him, dude. So, and then lastly, you know, I got a shout out, there's more to it here, Cowboy Reed. I got a shout out, I got a shout out. I got a, golly, who am I shouting out here?

I got a little list. I've lost the list. Yeah, the fucking Irish kicker. There was an Irish kicker. The guy's been in the league for like three weeks. He kicked the game winner Charlie Smith, and it was really interesting to listen to him postgame because I couldn't understand a word he fucking said.

So we talk about the Panthers. I think they really want three to four plays back. I thought Bryce played well. I know it's inconceivable to some people how you don't outscore the Saints and the quarterback plays well. But my brain is capable of thinking with nuance. which you should look that word up. He played really well.

He threw a lot of nice balls. The Saints just shut down a run first offense, and they ended up in some really tough situations. I think the one miss was in the red zone on the endbreaker to Ted McMillan. He wants that back. But otherwise, some bad breaks in the second half. Rose Boom had a fumble in his hands.

They're up 17.7. If he just picks it up, they probably win that football game, and then the fourth and one stuff. Like at that point, they take the ball out of Bryce Young's hands, and if they convert, they probably win the game. There's 11 minutes to go on the game. They're up a touchdown in plus territory. Final drive, New Orleans, one time out inside the 10-yard line. You cannot let them win that fucking game. Second and long, they throw a screen into a blitz. That's a decision you probably

want back because that kind of gave them the room to say, all right, we might fuck around and try to win this game, which they obviously did. And then the ransom play blows the game. You know, it's a terrible deal. Shuck's clearly going to slide. they're going to line up and try to kick a fucking they're going to fire a drill try to kick a ball like 65 yards like just let them do that and then the last thing is you had niners and um niners and titans uh this is the quote i wanted to share this is a quote from george uh kittle uh this is of course talking about brock purdy he's that jesus christ lizard running on water which everybody knows that jesus christ lizard right uh no ball security Fake pitching at the end of a 40-yard run, absolutely just diabolical behavior by our QB1. I love it. And the coal miner, Christian McCaffrey,

leads the league with 345 touches. He's still got 147 touches to go until he reaches James Wilder, single-season record of 492, which I think there are class action lawsuits that are available to Mr. James Wilder, Sr., who I looked up to a 67. that's a lot of fucking touches he was doing that for the buccaneers in the 80s the 84 yeah the last thing is this um you know i think we talked a lot about it i brought up purdy

and his scramble and everything but he looked better throwing the football didn't he know like for the people that were calling for his job after that first game off the uh off the injury he looked good didn't he he was hoping in this one bunch of great plays both on and off schedule pier saw a bunch of big plays he found him six times 96 yards kidd Kittal, eight grabs, 88 yards. He hit a, it was a non-designed jump pass to Kittle for six. It was an incredible play. He's fun, dude.

He always makes it more fun. Brock Purdy, welcome back, like officially. It seems like you're all the way back. And the Niners keep winning. Dude, they keep fucking winning. So they won't be in the Bermuda Triangle for long. It's just anybody that plays Tennessee from here on out is probably in the triangle. And I just want to remind Bryce Young, if you're out there.

or, you know, if you're a Bryce Young hater. You know, I sent this tweet a year ago. I still stand by it. Look at this shit. Look at this shit right here. You see these two guys? Now, things might not be great for either of them individually right now and their new setups respectively.

And maybe this actually fucks the whole argument up. But I think if you hang out. If you're Carolina Panther and you're playing quarterback and you hang with it long enough, you're either going to succeed in your building or in somebody else's building. And honestly, I think. both teams in that game have found their starting quarterback. I think Shuck, you got a ride with Shuck. I think let Shuck finish the season, but unless you fall in love with somebody in the draft,

I think he looks like, I mean, you picked him in the second round. So I look at the guy and I think, well, the Capitol tells me they were serious about him. And they also let Spencer Rattler take all the arrows of the first eight, 10 weeks of the season, which is another perfect design by the New Orleans Saints. Well done. You're going to get it anyway. Bo's giving you snaps applause

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And we'll get to our first call. And you should be doing your fucking homework too, by the way, if you're listening to this shit. And if my kids are listening to this, you shouldn't be listening to this shit at all. All right, so let's get to the landline. Call in number one. Hey, boys, Colts Casey here. I have a message for Dr. Fax. Hate to do this, but I have to officially tap out the Colts for this season and admit that the Jaguars are a better team.

That's me being the bigger person. Now, do I hope that you and Trevor Lawrence develop some chronic hemorrhoids throughout the postseason? Of course I do. But what a hell of a run this has been. I mean, it's been a pretty fun year. I didn't even bet on the game today. It was just fucking great to watch Philip Rivers go out there and ball out. So it was pretty badass.

But just wanted to officially tap out the Colts. But fact, on the real. Like, I hope it gets so bad you have to select, subscribe, and save on your preparation age orders. So, yeah. Appreciate you, boys. Hey. Hey, for playoff wins, I'll take hemorrhoids.

Oh, hemorrhoids, dude. Hemorrhoids are a bad deal, I hear. You don't want that. Honestly. But for playoff wins, it's cool. Yeah. It's fine. I can't wait for the live stream Sunday.

I don't know if I'm agreeing to the live stream yet. I'm going to watch my game in peace. You're not going to agree to a live stream, bro? What are you, like, Georgia... Dude, you have to. It sounds like... After all this. Yeah, you got to do it.

Also, too. If you're going to win, why don't you? Like, you know you're going to win, dude. Also, I'm really... I might try to get to the game in person, guys. Yeah? Yeah, like, they have the direct flights. Yeah?

From Richmond. JetBlue? Um, is it JetBlue? Breeze? Breeze. Breeze. Mm-hmm. But we're not giving anybody free, no free ads.

We have one more caller. Wait, who are we giving a free ad? None of them? Nobody. Knock, knock. Who's there? Real field temperatures for pussy. Suck my dick.

Wow. Go birds. Wait. Was that it? That was it. That's called the year. That was Bo. No, not actually.

No, I was going to say, like, that's not even a good call. Like, like, that's not even a take for. somebody that lives in a place where real feel is really relevant like dude like well and that's real feel is is completely relevant and i will say i was on the i don't think they know what we're talking about on this show maybe no no no they do you're explaining well so and this is what we missed on thursday when we talked about it which you know it came up that uh half the show half the people on this show yeah totally ignored the real feel when you look at your weather app right they just looked at the temperature so whether it was 15 degrees and the real

feel was zero they're just like oh fuck it just give me the 15 degrees um on Thursday uh but we did totally ignore the Midwest contingent that listens to this show because I did hear from some people that when it is when the weather says it's minus three in the Midwest you'll feel is actually minus 40 right that's a pretty significant difference and might hurt a little bit yeah and also in Tampa bro and you got humidity out the ass and it's 85 degrees with 90% humidity real feel is important then too I don't know if you guys knew this. I'm from Minnesota.

We live in Tampa. Real feels important. And with that real feel, we're going to head to the BetMGM moments right after we hear from BedMGM. Oh, where is it? Oh, fuck. There we go.

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best flight he's like fuck well i mean it is between You know, it's between Philip Rivers and his old team. And Philip Rivers does have the best flight. Yeah, dude. How many flights like this do you have where you're like, ah, just fucking came off the, I was gen pop. And he probably made, like they lost the game. Like a week ago, dude.

And he probably made that flight so much better because he's like, yo, this is, I haven't had this in a while. He was probably jovial and having a good time on that flight. Yeah. What's his minimum? What's his, like, his vet minimum? What year is it for him? I don't know what the vet minimum is for.

him for what for three or four more games i need to think about it though that's a nice little some checks come in how many credited seasons he has but it's gonna be looking lovely um okay two hundred and seventy eight hundred and eighty eight hundred eighty eight dollars is what we have on spot rack let's hear it but uh worst flight we have chris with green bay bow with geoffrey simmons and nate with green bay and nolan your vote i'm going with the pack Packers, voters. Packers, voters. Tanner?

I'm going with Green Bay, but specifically Nate's Green Bay. Specifically, Nate's Green Bay? How does that work? I like that, Tanner. The Green Bay voters, we'll give a point both way. So Chris and Bo get the dub, and now, you're sorry, Chris and Nate

get the dub with Green Bay, and now we're going to Beville Conway. Who, Beville Conway? Nate. Beville Conway. It's going to Trevor Lawrence's stat line, baby. Five passing touchdown. Lighting mentions on five. One rushing touchdown.

330 yards. An amazing performance and a win. Getting ready for the playoffs. Beville Conway. I mean, when's the last time you've seen a stat line like that for a quarterback? It's never. It's never. Never.

Bevel Conway, it's beautiful to look at. Chris, how do you vote? I'm going to go futuristic Bevel Conway. Tonight's game, the Pittsburgh Steelers on grass with the snow falling against the Miami Dolphins, who actually look pretty good under the lights. And there's going to be a lot of breath. Like you can see the breath. There's going to be a lot of, you know, powerful football.

I think tonight's going to look beautiful. Bo. I'm going to do a Bevel Conway for a quarterback as well. Nate, mine's going to be a good quarterback. my Bevel Conway was the image of Josh Allen throwing up during the middle of the game against the Patriots. I thought that was awesome. Just a gritty game.

It's cold out there. A fucking divisional battle. Hat and T-shirt game for your divisional opponent. My guys over there on the sidelines absolutely yacking up a storm. That's the kind of shit that pulls a team together and gets them excited to come back for a 21 point deficit and get a huge win on the road. Beautiful sight. I love that.

They were like concussion. He's like, no, I do this every week. You just don't see it. No, I just like to park. Look at the pre-puke face. Look at the pre-puk face, dude. That's unbelievable. You know what my Bevel Conway is going to be?

And maybe you can tell me if I should have or not. But it kind of ended up one of those things. I told you to pull the Miles picture, your Bronco. Yeah. The Bronco on the roof with the pyrotechnics in the third quarter to me is actually my bubble corner. I mean, that's certainly the winner. I know.

Yeah. But he's kind of fucked up because you already, you empty. the chamber on that earlier. I know. So what am I going to do? I got to keep this shitty Bevel Kowahua. Yeah, you got to keep it. Just see what happened.

Future Bevel Kowlois. You're up 2-1, so you're sitting in a good spot, you know? This is stupid. 2-1 through 3 awards or 2 awards, really. I still think Steelers to all the offense is going to be beautiful. What's the real feel? I vote. I vote Josh Allen's Puk.

That's good. Yeah, I'll go with the Puk as well. It's unanimous. That was pretty cool. Yeah. That's a tough guy stuff. he's a superhero before we move from bevel what's of earth and the white chatters you guys like those white chatters as we discussed could use some tweaks the the packers uniforms

use some tweaks that's my anti-bevel hmm okay oh wait a second good good work then nice to it because they look like the grambling green bay it looks like they look like they look like a hbcc u school like i don't know what it is but that logo with that all white, they just don't look like it doesn't look like it's always their logo. Yeah, I know, but it's just it looks a little different. Yeah. Yeah. It makes it look different. It does make it look different because I don't know. Like I guess when you watch the college guys who have that same logo, whenever you look at it, it never looks like the Green Bay logo. Yeah. I will say would it, would they be better off just like, A, putting some yellow in as Nolan suggested yesterday. Yellow. Yellow.

in the helmet or fill the G in or you just go white pumpkins man like no logo at some point they just buy into it and just put a piece of cheese a cheese that would be sick a cheese shake helmet like it just look like airbrushed cheese yeah like the Swiss I'm not totally out why I mean they do it already no I know like in but you know like if you already wear the hat yeah like what's the difference if you had a game they're them the casos dude we're wearing the cases this week we don't lose toyotathon and casos um what are we what are we at oh anti bevel and bow's gonna let us know what his anti bevel is um we talked about this a little bit chris referenced it my anti bevel is the image of

philip rivers sliding out on the seahawks logo it just looks so awkward you know what i mean that's a good defense the rush is bearing down out of him he's like slip and fall and he was like no no get up get up get up that shit was great I thought he was about to get fucking trucked uh that was tough he was stumbling around some people just like

they they're they have like they're like uh how do I say this god I can't say anything in here you're just bigger bone like you're just a big bone person dude like you're just you know Phil Rivers like he he's just he drank a lot of milk growing up

You know what I'm saying? He's not, you're not going to hurt him. He might look awful in the process, but he can take a hit. All right. So my anti-bevel is Army's uniforms. I hate to do this. I didn't like the Constitution font. Did you see it?

I can tell you guys didn't watch our service men and women. I don't like the kind of. I thought your anti-bevel was going to be the coin toss. No, nothing about the coin toss. But part of the reason that I think, you know, you can still recover from this. Because I did not love the Constitution. font is as we know about the constitution if you don't like it you can just change it so so you know it's never too late to change these uniforms the is there purple in there's that old

uniforms can you can you can ratify you can ratify that font a little bit I didn't like the font I just didn't like the font it's you know not me I've seen better Army Navy get-ups yeah in recent history so Uh, so we have anti-bevel Phillip Rivers, the Packers jerseys, and the Army's, army jerseys, I am going with the Army jerseys. Yeah, I'll go with Chris, too. That is a really bad font. Make a good case. Damn. Make it unanimous. Unanimous. All right, look at that. Mm-hmm.

Through four awards, Chris, three. You guys have the troops or something? What the fuck? Yeah, we do. I don't. Love the troops, dude. Fucking love the troops. I can't wait to tell you who I sat next to the other night. Is it your best seat? Oh, is it best seat? That's best seat. You want to kick it off?

Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hold on one second. I just want to make sure. What was the attendance where I went the other night? Can you? Yeah, okay. I got you. It was like $100,000 is what it felt like in there.

Best seat. Best seat was me watching John Cena's last match. I got to go, do you even know that, Bo? I got to go to John Cena's last match. match Saturday. I got to take the boys there. With 19,2301 other people. It's a real sweatbox, Capital One Center.

19,232 people, but man, there wasn't a dry eye in the building when he submitted. Now, granted, I don't know everything there is to know about moderate. This was fucked up, dude. He got choked out by some Nazi, dude. This is crazy.

WWE's like, yeah, the Nazis got to win. It's just kind of the way things are right now. This big German, stiff Austrian, I got it. But the fucking guy, obviously on gear. I'm not on gear. I'm 258, no gear. These guys, half of them on gear. I go to the fucking event because WW reached out to us.

They were kind enough to be like, hey, we heard you talking about John Cena on the podcast. We think it was hilarious. Like, you got to come to the thing. And your kids are going to love it. Here's the backstory. One now I was playing video games with my. kids and something about john sina came up and they asked me if i could beat up john sina i was like man this is a delicate situation because to convince them that i could beat up john sina i would

have to tell them that wrestling is maybe not fake but predetermined right and i started to go down that path and you could just see like because if your kid i understand don't tell kids santa's fake too too early don't tell them wrestling's fake none of that shit but when your kids like yeah john sino would dog walk you you kind of got to pull out the fucking wrestling his fake card that's what i started to do and when i did it you should have seen it it was like i told him santa claus wasn't real and so i had to do my best just fucking with you it's totally real john cina could definitely kick my ass and and then i just had to deal with it i just sat there for a while and uh eventually w w reached out and they're like we saw it was funny as fuck but isn't it something that the john sina's final match we show up

and the best possible outcome for dad was john sina fucking submitting dude because i walked out of that stadium and i was like see i was like bro you think i would have fucking tapped out you think that fucking that nazi who skips leg day would have been able to get me on the ground and get me to tap out I'm dying in that ring, dude. This fucking, this fucking John Sina, on the other hand, you should have seen it when they submitted John Sina, bro. There were people in there that it looked like, it looked like, it looked like something awful happened.

Bro, it looked like something like, dude, and I knew it, bro. I hate to be like I knew it, but they kept bringing you to the edge, do the whole like, bam, bam, oh no, he's up. They did it like 40 times of John Sina. bro and I'm sitting there and I'm thinking to myself like they're really going to do this shit they're going to kill him off they're going to accelerate this heels

fucking storyline my kids had a great time and then when the women were up wrestling my nine year old turned to me he was like it's not so bad when the women wrestle I was like oh man no comment my wife went to the

get a concession or something and I see he makes comment. I was watching him when old soul Ruka walked out. I was like,

what are you guys looking at? But that shit was hilarious, man. And to be honest, the magic of wrestling, dude, it is magical. I know I poke a lot

of fun of wrestling, but it is magic. When your kids are in there, Luke was out for blood, bro. He was screaming, slam him! Throw him out of the fucking ring!

He didn't say, fucking. Oh, it was awesome, dude. We had so much. much fun i didn't get any sleep saturday night um but the coolest part was so best seat we met haliburton tyrese halliburton oh by the way um he was sitting like up front with like john berenthal and uh i was like yes he kids all the fucking big timers are here no and then and then tyrese halliburton

on the way out is walking through like the VIP hallway and i was like fuck it i got to do it i got to say what's up because this will make my kids night they love him and i was like hey tyrese and he turned and was and the moment of truth where i'm like am i going to get fucking like big void right now in front of my kids and it'd be awkward he was the nicest dude in the world you know got down on the kids level said what's up to him the whole thing uh great guy and then the other one was i was sitting there um getting ready like we had half the row and then like half the row was unoccupied and this group of like three regular looking who's walked in and kind of like push past us you know and I like to get up and be real like hey here you go like and boy am I glad I did because as soon as the guy sat down the cameras

started to come around and I'm like who the fuck is this guy looks pretty normal and uh then at the next break they go please welcome Edward Byers Navy SEAL medal of honor winner like 45, fucking heroic things this guy's ever done. And like he's sitting right next to me. And I turn to my kids and I go, actually, that's the guy that can beat everybody in this motherfucker up, including your dad, bro. I go, you better shake his hand on the way out.

We got to meet Edward Byers. Shout out to him and his buddies. They were awesome. So it was an awesome night, man. Best seat, us going to watch John Cena's last match. Shout out to WWE. And I know I'm joking a lot and I'm going on and on about it. but John Cena is a fucking legend dude

he is the like I watched him like I came in being like yeah I could beat John Cena up I want to prove it to my kids and then by the end of the match I was like man what a fucking class act I love John Cena dude like he just you could tell he just makes everybody feel special like the kids like the charity work he does

the other people at WWE man he's like a leader bro so shout out to John Cena oh yeah I heard a lot of that Saturday night Bo how you want to follow that up? I don't have to follow, Chris. I don't have to win. Tough act to follow.

I mean, I love John Cena. Let me tell you that. I don't know if you've ever seen his intro for peacemaker, but it is the best shit in the entire world. And I think we need to remake that dance with the group for the podcast. Anyway, best seat. We talked a lot about the real feel. We talked about how cold at what was in Chicago.

People had a really good viewing party at that game, and that is the pigeons on Soldier Field. They were loving it. They were sitting right there on the field. Fucking right at, right at, you know, center stage. It's awesome. Just checking out the Bears watching Caleb Williams. Pigeons just chilling right in the wild.

They don't care about, man. They don't care about the football game. They just want to hang out on a nice little field. Bo, I mean, Nate, sorry, this is the second time. It's fucked up. Let's see. Don't ever call Nate Bo again. Best seat.

I'm giving it to the Williams family. of Kyron Williams and Jameson Williams recently finding out they share the same grandfather and they're actually first cousins. St. Louis dudes. And they seem like they were, the families were at the game today. So, I mean, at the game this weekend. And I would feel like that's best seats finding like, you know, getting connected with past family and then finding out, hey, we have, I have a first cousin.

Dude, that's insane, bro. Who's also a premiered NFL player? in the league. How long ago did they realize they were cousins? No, like this week, they said recently. Like somewhat recently they made it seem like. Bro, that's insane. So this is probably the first picture that their families taking pictures of them on the field together

where they know, hey, we're first cousins. Can I say something unrelated to this? I said this yesterday in the man cave. I think James and Williams might be one of the coolest looking players in the NFL. So cool. He looks so fucking cool, dude. Oh my God. It's hard to look that cool.

Fucking big sleeves flopping out. The shiasty is like all the way up to here. Like up here, dude. It's like you're playing the faceless man. Oh, it's incredible, dude. It so happens to be fast as fuck, dude. So. Nolan, where do you vote, Chris at WWE?

The pigeons at Soldier Field or the Williams family. Going with the John Cena seats. There's only one last match. Tanner? Peter's like fuck that John Cena yeah Look at that guys I'm going with the Williams family

but John Cena does win Chris is John Cena Okay You're gonna really like worst seat What is the worst seat? You want me to start it? Yes Yeah go for it

Diego Pavia Who was quoted as saying After he lost the Hizman In a down year For candidates bro Who wants it It's like the fucking NFC South

dude you're like you're the falcons or something you're not the you think you're the bucks you're not the bucks the bucks was the other guy mendoza and the quote was fuck all the voters but family for life and then he goes to the nightclub and goes fuck indiana he's got a big fuck indiana sign um you know he asked trump to sign an executive order to change the playoffs because they didn't make it have fun at the fucking rely a quest bowl buddy i mean respectfully i mean As a Virginia guy, I was pretty hyped to see Vandy be relevant because it makes us feel like anything's possible. But like, it turns out you guys had to fucking sign the anti-crice for two years to play quarterback to be relevant. He's like, he's like, he's like Johnny Mansell without

some of the charm and talent. So it's just like, I, that just rub me, that rubbed me wrong, dude. I'm like, bro, like have some fucking class, bro. He said he was better than Johnny Mansell. he was asked like there was a quarterback play like man you didn't watch johnny manzell and uh he was who was the best one there was a little bracket and uh he was he was he said he was the man you are man hell no dude johnny manzell was that man he johnny manzell had rooms full of NFL players on the road at the hotel before meetings instead of going out to like dinner like dudes were hanging out watching Johnny Mansell play. Like just congregating around the TV screen.

You wasn't Mansell. But he was a hell of a player. I'm just like, show some class, bro. And I know he already apologized. So he woke up Sunday and had the Sunday scleries and was like, fuck, should I have done that? No, you shouldn't have, bro. And, you know, honestly, he might not,

he might have wished he hadn't gone to the, um, the Heisman trophy ceremony because, uh, his height might have been exposed a little bit. You know, he's listed at six foot. he looked a little shorter than six foot standing up next there standing up there next to julian saying listed to six one and jeremiah loves stand it's uh listed at six foot as well well listen he i think we can officially i don't officially because he's got a shot right like he could probably be a pro quarterback right would you say yeah welcome to podcasting bro it's it ain't the worst fucking

it ain't the worst lifestyle i think you're going to make more money than us right out the gate bro. But, but man, I just didn't love that. Worst seat, Nate. Worst seat. I got one if you need a sec, Nate. Go ahead. My worst seat. Okay, imagine this.

All right. You are a really good player, a premiered defensive player on one of the best teams perennally in the NFL. You know, you've, you haven't missed the damn playoffs since 2014. There's always hope alive for you, right? not so fast Chris Jones you found out during your post game presser that your team is eliminated from playoff contention you see that after after the game he's talking reporters he's like yeah we there's still a chance they're like oh we're eliminated watching his face fall and him kind of come to that understanding live that's a tough place to be and that's my worst seats Chris Jones after the game press that was fucking that was cinema bro the room was probably like do we tell him Like who was like to tell him like draw straws and tell Chris Jones that hey bro you're out bro You're out of it

But he took it kind of good he was like he did We kind of deserve that That was kind of what I read Yeah he you could you could feel the pain in that one I guess I'm gonna go with literal worst seat Any Bengals fan that got to their seat and it still had snow on it and you have to remove the snow yourself because the bangles are too cheap to hire people to clear the snow off and it's actually and i've seen that's actually supposedly a violation

uh-huh they're going to get fined for it or probably slap on the wrist or be interesting to know if the fine is more expensive than how much the snow removal would would have cost so my thing is as a fan or like a season ticket older are you like allowed to like sue or try to like get some money back or be like yo this is ridiculous we already suck but like you're not you're not You didn't clean my seat. Yeah, that's crazy. Like, I'm coming to a, I'm already coming to the game in the snow or whatever it may be. And then I get here.

And it's like, well, if you complain, they're just going to ask for more money. You remember that viral thing, the guy called to ask about different tickets? You think they were like, well, how else were we going to pay for T. Higgins and Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow? Man, you think, you think they'd clean the snow off of Dodger Stadium back in the day in New York? No. fucking if you're old school if you're old school be old school clean the fucking snow yourself

you know what I'm saying but where does all the where do you displace all the snow that's what I want to? Right in for the guy in front of you you I'm just joking I'm just joking all right we're a seat we have

Diego Pavia Chris Jones and the Bengals fans I am voting Respectfully Diego Pavia respectfully Yeah I'm gonna go to Chris Jones as well Tanner Did you already vote Chris Jones? I did.

It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter, but I still want to hear it. I was going to vote for the Bengals. Bengals fans? Yeah. All right, well, one for Bengals fans. We have Hollow Man. Go ahead.

I mean, this has to be the biggest Hollow Man in the United States this week. It has to go to the ex-Michigan coach, right? That's pretty, if it's a new hollow man. Yeah, I think. It's any how I don't know if it could get any hollower. I think voting any other way is it's an implication that I don't want. Was the menu thing real? The pizza named after the side piece?

Respectfully. I miss that. It's a lot of it. There's a lot of stuff that's coming out. There's a pizza now? And it's just like, guys, I know we, I know we joke about eating oysters here, but he must eat a lot of fucking oysters because the story. Must be in those great lake oysters, bro.

Man. Me, dude. Golly, dude. That guy's got a problem. Oh, man. Doesn't he? I mean. Born E.

That's what high-speed internet's for, bro. Unbelievable. You know what I put that Jay-Z song? It was all good just a week ago in our group text. Like, this is that thing personified, dude. Like, when I saw him at a court hearing like that, like... And the craziest thing to put in perspective. I didn't know he was, I mean, I just never checked into it, but it's just like, he's my age.

He's younger than me. That's crazy. And it's just like, you have the probably what, the greatest job in the world you can think of for yourself to like the top of the world to like. Did they say he was trading tickets for like group sex? I heard that. Trying to trade tickets for group sex. The girl came out and said she, she said that was a lie. I had my assistant was reaching.

But it does seem like, no, what is true is that like halftime of the national Natty game, he was imagining. He gives him like nosebleeds. He puts him in the family section. Right. Like what the fuck are you doing? And then the other one, what were you just saying he did? He, no, that that he was texting. Like they have the time of like conversation.

Yeah. I think a half time of the, I mean, not the half time of the Ohio State game or of, of, of, game yeah he was yes he was in his DM that's insane dude yeah not like it's one thing that's insane players because we always say like there's definitely players who go to the locker room at halve time to rush to your phone to see absolutely like to see your mentions or see if people are tech you or whatever but to be a head coach and to be checking your DMs for like your your side pieces yeah that's crazy that's absolutely that means that that's all you're thinking somebody called him a certified gooner and i just learned what that work

meant this week and I was like yes what is going on out there dude what is going on out there he is what you would call the certified goiner for sure I'm gonna go hollow man the guy the guy from the fucking

you know what else is crazy they're still running that all state ad with the Michigan guy how many times you see that Michigan guy yesterday like just pull the ad dude like nothing Michigan for a couple weeks like you know I wouldn't even watch Bustin with the boys, man. You know, I would just watch us for a couple weeks.

You know? So I'm just joking. So anyways, Hollow Man. No, I already fucked. I texted Taylor. The guy for the Panthers who blew the game, like that's, I forget his damn name. Ransom. Ransom.

Ransom. I already said it. But that is like nightmare stuff, dude. that is you could you you you don't do that you you might you might be first in division this morning like you know there's a couple things else that happened in that game but that that's just one of those brutal end-of-game deals did you see that uh tyler shuck after the game said that he might have sold that hit a little bit i'm sure he did i'm sure he did and bryce i know bryce slid and didn't get the call, but Bryce's slide was a little bit later. You know, they weren't, it's not apples to

apples. And, you know, I wanted the Panthers to win that game, but they just, they didn't. Shuck said he knew they were out of timeouts and took advantage. Yeah, smart player, huh? This Shuck guy, man. Bo, Halloman. Wow, two tough acts to follow. A lot of hollow men around there. One of whom is also Pijon Robinson, dude, we talked about this. Yeah, we were talking about I was astounded hearing that and I mean it's like dude you gotta be smarter than that come on man you're you're you're yeah you're celebrating a big win and then you just completely fucked it up for yourself so said it was such joy too just a I know he's such a good guy I know and that's what's if you don't know him and you're just like if you want to think negatively it's like at no

moment when he was saying that was he trying to mean harm or anything and I I of the sort but it's just the clip of it is just like he's all smiles reminiscing ball when he was younger and it's funny because like i saw a bunch of people mad at him because he apologized it doesn't cost you anything to just be like my bad yeah and also like like i some things to me aren't that sacred like it's stupid to like hold on to fucking the name of a kid's game just because you you think you're like caving to some population i thought it was a perfect situation you know the way people act like you get canceled if you say anything wrong nothing happened to him nothing should happen to him he he fucking he said something that was a blind spot for him and after the game he was like yo i'm sorry and you know i also like i saw

some people on twitter that were like man you know that at first i was pissed when i saw it because i'm part of you know that population or whatever and then you know i was okay with it once i saw him apologize like it should be no harm no foul like the guy just you know he didn't know and didn't know i mean i know you guys and also i don't give a fuck like i like i'm like damn i can't call it that anymore what the fuck dude is this is even america well and we talked about what we called that game when we're younger i know you guys might have mentioned but you know i i personally i called it smear the person with the football regardless yeah for sure for sure for sure for sure exactly kill the care of you just some things i'm like man you really got a fight like that over it like

you'd already be moved on with your day if you were like okay like things things change imagine that over 25 30 years you can't say certain things dude um all right well What's next? Next, we're going to vote, Tanner. Bijon Robinson, Sharon Moore. Trone Moore. If he doesn't win, y'all... I'll let you vote, but...

Yeah, I'm going to Nate. Yeah, that's a runaway. Day give away. STL Memorial. STL Memorial. I got one. STL Memorial. Yeah.

Yeah, I vote Nate. I'm giving my guy. Cole Van Lennon. Old lineman from the Jags, a lot of people probably don't know about him, but Cole is the only offensive lineman to play four different positions on the old line in 2025. Left tackle, he has 73 snaps, left guard, he has 72 snaps. Right guard, 46, and right tackle, 133 snaps. And at left tackle this season, 73 pass blocking snaps, only one pressure allowed, no sacks.

He's playing lights out. And he was a guy that when drafted, they set his measurables. He was kind of small. So they didn't know where he would line up in the league. And what do you know he could line up wherever and do it well? So shout out to Cole. Shout out. You ever went to college?

What's the guy's name? Cole Van Lannan. Oh, he went to Wisconsin, Whitewater. not whitewater the badgers oh yeah the way you looked at beau i thought it might be i didn't feel like interrupting another uh jaggs monologue from facts i don't go to wisconsin whitewater though all right this i really don't know many wisconsin whitewater guys do you bow you know any was only like three of them in i think there's two or three in the nfell it's actually a story d3 program yeah yeah it's pretty

fucking impressive okay yeah all right bear with me here st louis memorial karma okay and i'm not talking about the taylor swift song this isn't necessarily chiefs related but it is loosely chiefs related yesterday many of our best players in the nfl were they fell victim to terrible injuries um whether they were aces or what have you devante adams hopefully not the case but it looked like his hamstring like fucking exploded dude was crazy mahomes acl micas acl um who else did we miss i mean over the over like there've been a lot of great players lost this year it feels like the injuries are up but inevitably what you see is chatter online and i know it's online and these aren't real people a lot of them are bots or people that would never fix their face to say

this in public but you get people that they laugh about a team's injury or you know they're like good finally mahomes or good micha parsons or dude karma's going to catch up to you guys man and i don't wish ill on a lot of people i don't have to but i would anticipate maybe your credit scores to to get worse or you know like random bad luck type things to happen to you maybe you you know you you injure yourself in like a minor way nothing too serious but i hope karma comes for you uh if you cheer people's injuries uh professional athletes just because they're rich doesn't mean it's fun when the guy's achilles pops you know if you don't like his team you can just probably shut the fuck up about it nobody asked dig it bow

Karma. Sorry, STL Memorial. Got to give some love to Kyle Pitts. He had 11 receptions, 166 yards and three touchdowns on Thursday night football. He was like uncoverable, man. He looked really good. Obviously, a freak talent that hasn't quite, you know, produced the way that everyone was hoping. So contract year for him.

He played really well. He's hard to guard. Physical mismatch. Yeah, that's a good one, man. He fucking bald. Nolan, were you voting? Nate, Colvan Lannon. Great call.

Yeah, that's a good one. Tanner? I'm going with Cal Pitts. Kyle Pitts. I'm going Colvin Lannan. Man, I agree. But Kyle Pitts, man, he had a great game. He had a great game.

Maybe game ball? Probably not. I want to give a quick SDL Memorial. Brian Nelson. He's in the Greenlight Fantasy football playoffs, in the championship. Good for him. That playoffs are going on right now?

are going on right now what happened to me i forgot uh well you finished the regular season seven i didn't no you didn't you but you are you won your first round of the consolation and i actually went back just just for just to just to see if you had set your lineup for what would have happened i would have fucking rolled you would have been 11 and 2 i know dude the number one seed this is like fucking yeah yeah yeah you got lucky i didn't set my lineup so you can't say i know you guys or yes you did you can't say i'm a bad boss i let you guys win finish football. Check it. I can players out my starting line of breed. It's O'Neilly won the chip. No, no, he's in it. Oh. Okay, can I go first? Please for the game ball. Gameball? I'd like to give it to Trevor Lawrence.

Nice. That's perfect. That's perfect. Six touchdowns. Nice. You know, six fucking touchdowns. A month ago, you asked if he was a bust. He's not a bust. He's the greatest quarterback in the NFL, and he played great yesterday. And I read. present that comment from you, and I'm still mad at you about that comment that you said in the group text a month ago. Not a month ago. Game ball. Trevor Lawrence. Game ball. My game ball is going to AJ Brown. Two receptions, 41 yards, and a touchdown in a win for the Eagles. He deserves it. The Eagles looking very mediocre at the end of the year. But we love it. And I mean,

Yeah, game ball. AJ Brown. He deserves it. All right. Game ball, yeah. Let me read out this stat line for you guys. I don't think you've heard it today. 20 for 32, 320 yards,

five touchdowns, zero sacks, and a rushing touchdown. Five carries for 51 yards. My game ball is going to go to Trevor Lawrence. I don't think he's gotten spoke enough about today. He's the best quarterback on the planet. As Chris likes to say, he's the best quarterback in the universe.

And frankly, I just don't think he gets enough love on this show. We don't know for sure about the universe, do we? I get, yeah. You know, usually when I talk about Josh Allen, I like to say galaxy. You know, if I can help it. Because the universe is a big place.

To an infinite amount of galaxies. And then if you believe in like the multiverse, bro, like, come on. There's another Josh Allen out there just like him. But there's not another Trevor Lawrence throwing account of six. He's like. I can't imagine that happening at any other. There's one in a million. There's one in a million.

Okay. What do we think tonight, fellas? Because I got to be honest, you know, I've been taking BetMGM out back. You know what I'm saying? But tonight I'm not really feeling anything. Fins in the snow? Fins in the snow? Steelers are favored by three, 42 and a half total.

Man. I thought of Aaron Rogers being cold. Cold and old. It don't mix. Cold and old. Cold and old, don't miss. The dolphins are, hey, dolphins win another game under 45 degrees or whatever it is. That's called a winning streak in cold weather.

So A-chan's a concern. A-chan's the concern. But I don't want to bet those slimy porpoises in prime time. It's just not like, it's not who I am. Kind of goes counter. What do we think, chat? You got any, you got any, you got any fucking? Someone goes Boswell three plus field goals tonight.

That's a great bet. Oh, that's a good bet. Even four. Yeah. That's a really good bet. We got a bet field goals tonight. We got to bet is our guy Washington playing tight end? Washington touchdown.

And anytime. I'd love that. I feel I get this vision to him with dolphins draped all over him in the end zone in the snow. Anthony Weaver all pissed off. Yeah. So is the rap in tight end still playing or is he hurt? The rapping tight end. Oh, Darren Waller?

Yeah. The rapping tight end, dude. I like Darren Waller if he's playing tonight. He usually shows up in primetime games. Yeah. Got to promote that music. So what's a better spot than balling out on Monday night? No, yeah.

That's good. That's good. You know, one of these days I'm going to bust out my Pittsburgh Steelers single that I wrote in the summer. I was hoping it was going to come. Because Pat McAfee came out with a single. Yeah. I was like, maybe we should do some singing. Yeah.

Duke. You know? It needs to see the light of day. Yeah. Well, maybe this week. I got this Steelers song that I wrote earlier this year. It's a play on the sticks hit, Renegade that they play at the stadium. I'll tell you guys about it later.

I'll build a little intrigue. But when this single sees the light of day, you're going to want to buy the single. You won't even have to buy it. You might have Spotify. You want to go to Apple Music and buy it anyways. So, all right. My prediction tonight is Steelers. Steelers by a,

TJ Watt, how long's he out? I don't know how long, but he is out tonight. That's a wild deal. You know, you pay a guy to puncture your lung. You know what I'm saying? Bro, like, why's, I mean, like. I had dry needling done all the time. I just think it's crazy.

But, like, when you, what was hurt on him? Like, when you're getting dry needling, like, what could be a pack? No, it could be a pack or that type of thing or his shoulder, you know. Up here and you can hit a long. lung though? Well, I don't know where your lungs stop. Where do your lungs stop? Where do your lungs stop? They go up a ways. They go behind your titty, yeah? Long behind the titty in the rib cage. That's true. Your ribcage is anatomically supposed to protect your lungs. So you used to get dry kneeling up here. Yeah, you get it in your chest sometimes. And it's just like it's acupuncture. Yeah, it's to get to get your body loosen up.

But I feel like those needles don't go in that far, right? But how about like chucking a needle and being like, yeah, this is going to, this is going to loosen up your trapezias. And it's going to flip the AFC. play off and then next thing you know you're breathing like me on the mic yeah exactly dude that guy is in hell right now he's maybe actually hollow man his practices because they did that to um to rod well that was a different thing so dry needling is these little needles that actually don't hurt at all they're just more unsightly what they did the tarad was they they shot cortisone probably or some sort of a yeah and then and then so basically when they were shooting the cortisone or what have you, I think it punctured the lung, which is scary. Yeah, it's just scary to think about like- Be careful with your lungs out there.

Yeah, just being, dealing with a medical professional, like, inside your bill and your facility. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, obviously, accidents happen all the time, but- Yeah. Well, we're going to close the show now. Everybody have a great evening. Thank you for hitting the curbst on the time. And, you know, with the bye weeks and, you know, certain teams falling out of the races here at the end of the season, the show will be quicker.

But we really appreciate it. Enjoy Monday night football.