Green Light with Chris Long - Calais Campbell! All In with the Long Brothers! Nick Saban vs Jimbo Fisher.

Episode Date: May 20, 2022

(2:25) - Chris and Macon Dissect Nick Saban’s Comments on NIL, Jackson State and Miami, and Jimbo Fisher’s Fiery Response. (20:25) - Chris, Macon, Kyle, Dr. Fax and, in his Green Light Debut, Howie Long Jr, Talk Chris’ Dad Duties and Catching Your Kids Cussing. (35:05) - Macon Receives Summer Homework as He Departs on Vacation. (47:55) - Chris and Kyle Talk Playing Calais Campbell and His NFL Legacy. (54:23) - Calais Campbell on Returning for his 15th NFL Season, Career in Arizona, Playing in the Super Bowl his Rookie Year and Mentorship in NFL Locker Rooms.  (1:28:22) - Chris’ Appearance on Bussin’ With The Boys and His Podcast Declaration.  (1:41:30) - Howie Long Jr Questions Chris, Kyle and Nate: You Might Not Like Them But You Gotta F***ing Answer Them. Green Light Spotify Music: https://open.spotify.com/user/951jyryv2nu6l4iqz9p81him9?si=17c560d10ff04a9b Spotify Layup Line: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1olmCMKGMEyWwOKaT1Aah3?si=675d445ddb824c42 Green Light Tube YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/GreenLightTube1 Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. https://www.greenlightpodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And in Michigan, 1-800-270-7-1-17-8-9. Hello, folks, welcome to the Greenlight podcast. Today, all three Long brothers are in studio. That's Chris, that's Kyle, that's Howie Jr. Macon and Nate jump in as well. We had a number of topics. Chris and Macon start on Nick Sabin and Jimbo Fisher and their comments around the NIL.

Then Chris tells a couple stories from Dad Life. Macon also receives his Greenlight Summer homework as he departs on vacation. And then we roll into Callais Campbell. Chris and Callas talk about Calaisa's career in Arizona, the great defense down in Jacksonville, and returning for a 15th season. At the end of the show, Chris dives into his appearance on Bustin with the Boys, and Howie Jr. brings a couple thought-provoking questions to the show. Y'all enjoy. Have a wonderful day. Fun show today, dude. We've got Dr. Fax coming in. We've got Kyle Long coming in. We've got Howie Long Jr. coming in, tail end of this pod.

You're going to miss him. Yeah. What we've got with Making is we got a real estate sandwich today. He's out earning that bread, pushing that MLS, moving that acreage. He's doing it in the morning and the afternoon, so we appreciate you coming in and catching us in the middle. We also have Callais Campbell coming up later today. So that's a great interview. We already did it. I love Callais Campbell.

We basically grew up in football together from the ACC to meeting each other on that Walter Payton Man of the Year stage. I mean, there's a guy I got tremendous respect for, so loved having him on. You'll hear that in a bit. We got a lot to get to, dude. You just walked in from at a cell service. You've been slinging MLS.

You're not getting tweets. You're not seeing the timeline. You're not getting the ESPN alerts, dude. It is fucking pro wrestling in college football. You woke up this morning and it was college football. And now it's the WWE, dude. You've heard a little background. We've caught you up a little bit.

I mean, okay, of course we're talking about Nick Sabin here. time you're listening it is Friday morning. Saban went Wednesday night and talked to a group of boosters in Alabama. Old folks and he's trying to, he's testing the waters talking about the NIL landscape, which as we know is the fucking Wild West. I mean, welcome to the rest of the world.

Nick Saban, it's crazy. Yeah, it's going to be uncertain for a little bit. There's a denial joke in there somewhere. NIL. The river? The river in Africa.

Yeah. Yeah. Denial. Do it. Okay. I wonder if everybody's in denial about this. I wonder if everybody's in NIL about this. Oh, that's right.

I was thinking to myself, God damn it. But actually, that's a decent joke. I need to workshop it a little more. Okay, workshop it. But yeah, like Nick Sabin's in denial. He's in Egypt right now when it comes to the new landscape in college football. And so he's up there. He's talking about NIL stuff, which he's not against.

okay, but the truth is that's not good enough to just not be against players, you know, benefiting from their name and image and likeness now. We know for a fact that some people are triangulating their next move based upon how much money's there. So he got beat on the field by Jimbo Fisher last year and he got beaten recruiting by Jimbo Fisher. That's like that he drew first blood. Jimbo drew first blood. I mean like and a former assistant drawing first blood and making Nick Sabin feel little

mortal as things are changing. I think that's what launched him into this whole diatribe. And of course, along the way, he backs the bus up over Jackson State, Dion Sanders, Miami basketball. I mean, there were a number of people that caught strays because he was explaining to boosters in Alabama that it's not our fault that we can't keep up. And I'm worried that we won't be able to keep up because it's the Wild Wild West out there, which it is. But it's been a hard life for. for every other college football program. Welcome to the pack, dude. Like, this is the thing that's gonna level the playing field.

And one thing that's been certain every year for Nick Sabin since he started coaching there, or not since he started coaching there, but since he got this thing established is, you know Alabama is the college football overlord. Every year, start of September. That is consistency, it's predictable. He knows what's coming.

And I think what he's getting is a dose of uncertainty right now, and he's scared. And so he's lashing out at people to try to make people, you know, give himself excuses and throw shade at other people. And I think it's really irresponsible. I do. I'll join the pack on this one. Or is he playing Belichickian chess?

Is it not only, hey, that guy's cheating, but Birmingham boosters, you need to step it up? Well, he could be. And here's the deal. And that's a great question. But you don't throw Jimbo. You could keep that general. You could lament the fact that, you know, his problem is not NILs. It's not the money players are making when they get on campus for the record.

His problem is the promises. You know, like if you go to this school, you're going to get X amount of money. And I think, you know, putting names and faces on that complaint, which could easily be a broad kind of like, oh, the landscape's changing. You still be whiny. But now you're snitching. And honestly, what you're doing is, and this is where he needs to be careful, it's not just, you know, alleging that Texas A&M did something wrong,

which they didn't because these collectives are becoming more normal in college football and in Texas it's not against the law to do anything that they've done. So Jimbo didn't pay players by the letter of the law. He didn't do anything wrong. Nick Saban and Alabama have not been able to do that until this past January because of laws in state. Like you can't do that, but Auburn would turn you in, right? So he's mad at Jimbo Fisher, not just because they beat him on the field and beat him in recruiting. He's also mad because they got the first.

slice of the pie, dude. You know, like, you're in your fucking ivory tower here. The only reason you haven't done anything like that is because you weren't allowed to yet. So what you're doing now is you're lashing out at not only Jimbo Fisher, but you're also lashing out at that kid that's going to Jackson State. Hunter? Travis Hunter. Travis Hunter.

He's an 18-year-old kid. Maybe not 18 yet. I don't know. In his state of Georgia, the rumor that Nick Sabin is spreading is dangerous to that kid and to Jackson State. Because that's illegal currently. You have to be enrolled in school in that state to get an NIL money.

I know we heard the Barstool rumor that Barstool was given this kid $1.5 million, but that was refuted. So what you're doing is you're messing with that kid's livelihood. And for Dion Sanders, I really fucking get the angst and him being upset because what you're talking about and this is what makes it so tone deaf. You could have given 100 program strays,

but you give Jackson's state a stray. It's an HBCU dude. Like you have to have your head in the sand realize that this is that this has been a topic of conversation hbc u's being more uh you know funded supported celebrated in college football and dion sanders is the reason whether there's a million dollar deal or not that any kids go into jackson state and so for dion that's a slap in the face you talk about jimbo said he wants to slap nick sabin the face something that effect if i'm dion i want to do worse to to nick sabin because what you're saying is i couldn't get this kid on my own i had to

buy him. And then the Miami stray fucking totally irrelevant. He's just grasping at straws because he's panicking a little bit. And maybe there's an error of that, but you didn't have to do that with it. You know what I mean? It makes those Affleck commercials a little weird now with Nick Saban and Coach Prime telling everybody to save their money. Yeah. Come to Aflack. Yeah. If there's any more commercials in the in the bank that they need to not run in anymore. Exactly. I think Dion and him shooting a commercial is going to be super fucking awkward perpetually now. I think SEC Media Day. And like, here's the thing about Jimbo Fisher.

He ain't leaving, dude. He's got his oil money crew down there, and he ain't going anywhere until that motherfucker dries up. And that's the thing that's so scary to Nick Saban is like, now they have a slice of the pie. They have a way to get to our level. And he's not leaving. And every SEC Media Day,

every time they have to shake hands at the 50 R line, it's going to be must see TV. Do you know what states can pay players pre-enrollment and what states can't? Because that seems like a major advantage. It is a major advantage. For the great state of Texas. It is a major.

Alabama passed a lot because football is king there. They don't care. Like whatever the legislature is, they're going to make sure they're competitive. So here we are. It just took a year. So do your shit. And here's the thing about like, bulldoze your facilities because that's an advantage.

You know, if I'm a kid looking in Charlottesville or Alabama and facilities are important to me, that's a promise. You're going to have all these resources. The playing field, as we know, the irony of this thing is the playing field has not been equal. To go back to Macon's previous question, like this definitely doesn't seem like a strategic masterstroke

by Saban. I feel like it's backfiring on him. Like Coach Prime said, we as a people don't have to pay our people to play with our people. Yikes. Jimbo said, some people think they're God. Go dig into how God did his deal. You may find out about a guy, a lot of things you don't want to know.

You make him the czar of college football. Go dig into his past. That's like the Old Testament. God made a deal? Yeah, it's like the old testament. You can deal with the devil? No, yeah. Well, nice. Yeah, something like that. We're a theology pod here so we can read the tea leaves, but basically Jimbo knows where the bodies are buried.

So this is really scary. Not only to backfire because you insulted somebody who's trying to put HBCUs on the map, you also insulted a former assistant who knows where the bodies are buried. And, you know, compared, he said, you know, hey, I've coached under Bobby Bowden. This is what it looks like. And by the way, Jimbo, these guys are two pigs in the mud,

bro. Because Jimbo doesn't follow. He not always followed the rules. They've had, you know, whatever. As archaic as those rules were, they were breaking them. but at the end of the day he's making enemies in college football when he already had a ton people are waiting for this bro people are jimbo is waiting to have that conversation this isn't something he woke up this morning he made comments alluding to always having had these feelings about nick savin and now the floodgates open a little bit and the most dangerous thing is nick savin don't get too comfortable like dabbo got too comfortable in my book thinking oh we're

a football factor i can say whatever the fuck i want kids don't like you because they like you they like you because your football team's good. And the minute you start alienating kids and throwing stones at Travis Hunter or Dion and saying, like, and lying on these kids allegedly because Travis Hunter tweets and says, hey, million dollars. My mom, she lives in a three-bedroom house with five kids.

Where's that million dollars? So other kids are seeing that tweet. Like, it's not good. You don't want to open this Pandora's box. Just be happier Alabama and now go win football games by being better because everybody else is at the dance now. You can't say, and this was a brag.

This is typical college football. College football coaches are like politicians now. They are just like a hair away from politicians. He's up there bragging about Bama players have made $1.7 billion in the NFL since 2010. It's met with like, wow, and like a little bit of applause. And then two minutes later, lamenting the fact that we don't know where the money is. We can't pay players because other scholarships will disappear in other sports. and it's too complicated, and this, that, and the third.

Figure it the fuck out, dude. You're getting paid like you're the fucking president of the United States. You're getting paid more than the president of the United States. And your guys have made a billion dollars in the league the last 12 years. How do you think Tony Elliott or Virginia feels? How do you think an ACC school feels? If Tony Elliott did a measured take, like a rant on, man, this landscape's crazy right now.

I don't have anything to promise people, you know, compared to other schools. I would say, yeah, you know what it is a motherfucker. And I'd say, you know, that's fair as fuck for that guy to talk about that. But Nick Saban, dude, you're the richest guy in the neighborhood. You know, like, you're the guy who's got the mansion, dude. This is like, this is the purge but reversed. And he's feeling it. He's hearing the purge whistle.

And who's the cat that said Alabama was NIL before there was NIL. I think it was Travis Johnson, right? Our guy, who's the man, dude. Travis Johnson is the fucking man. He said he was class of 2000 said that Alabama offered him six figures and he did not matriculate to Tuscalo he went to FSU.

So a lot more. This is just day one dude. Nick Sabin, Nick Saban's going to be checking his phone so much when he wakes up in the morning the next six months, dude. Like he's just going to be rolling over, spending 10 minutes on.

You can say cancel out the noise, but when the noise is about you and the noise is coming, like look out, dude. Fewer cream pies for that cat. Oh yeah. lot fewer cream pies, dude. You know what I'm saying?

I know exactly what you're saying. And we're talking about cookies. But what he's seeing is he doesn't want to be. You saw Travis Hunter. Reid made this point earlier. I think he's a great point. Travis Hunter left Florida State, committed to Florida State,

decommitted and went to Jackson State. He's seeing himself as the Florida State now. He doesn't want to be that Florida State. He's worried about everybody else getting a slice of the pie. So here we are. And it's dangerous. It's dangerous to throw stones like that. Hey Nick, look around next time you're in Nashville playing at Vanderbilt.

Right, exactly. It's so disingenuous at this point that people are just saying whatever they want. Now you've got some points in there that yes, objectively there is uncertainty. Well here's the deal. Also when a system like this has been out of balance for so long and it's been so uneven in the way that the the spoils of war are distributed, when they're should, you know, change it's going to be a shit show there's a lot of evening the playing field to do and you know what i don't feel sorry for any of these coaches especially the ones that have made 20 30 40 million dollars

doing this for years you got to pay the piper dude this is time now like and and guess what systems resist change it's going to be awkward for a couple years but that doesn't make it the wrong thing who is tigers catty fluff fluff fluff yeah fluff did you see the clip of fluff and nick sabin about a week ago no i didn't fluff walks up to nick saybin introduced himself says uh i wear my Clemson hat today out of respect for you. My daughter or granddaughter goes there or something. And instead of Nick saying, oh, that's terrific. What, you know, what year is she? What is she studying? He goes, it's an awkward couple of seconds. And he goes, no, Dabo and I are friends. And it was just a really weird, like. He just lacks. He lacks a little. And listen,

here's the deal. I don't know Nick Saban, but Jimbo Fisher's painting a poor picture. Now, I don't take Jimbo Fisher's word to the bank either. Like I said, it's two. pigs in the mud, but I've never hated Nick Saban. I've always thought he's a hell of a football coach, but at the end of the day, are you a football coach or you a politician? If your player was pointing the finger and blaming other people before the season even began, just because you drew a little blood, you'd call him mentally weak. You'd call him all types of things. Worry about your shit, dude, and you've got plenty of it to go around. So, you know, maybe lean on that 10.7 bill that your players have made over the past 12 years.

And the guy sitting to the left to his right in the video. I don't know who that is. I probably should know who it is. He's one of the two guys that were flanking him. You know, these guys that are paid to kind of like to, you know, accessorize Nick Savin at a function like this and T. him Allie Upps and that sort of thing. He grew really uncomfortable around.

His leg was shaking like a motherfucker. You know, like when I have the nervous energy and my leg's shaking, his leg started shaking the more Nick went down this rabbit hole. because I don't think this was planned. And I think if you watch this six-minute clip, you'll realize that the more he talked, the more he realized he was backing himself in the corner. But instead of just being like, let me shut up now,

he just kept digging, dude. Well, he's been Teflon here for a long time. No longer. Maybe not so much. No longer. So thank you for catching me up. This is educational. This is educational.

Yeah, well, we do what we can. One thing we might have missed, college sports could be over. Yeah, it's possible. and not to. It's possible. And I love college football so fucking much, but you know what?

I love more than that as principal. And like if kids, you know, if kids want to get their fair share of the pie and this thing's got to blow up before it gets rebuilt, like that would suck for me on Saturdays, but I'm not the kid out there

risking my brain and my body and working effectively 60-hour weeks to entertain people. You know what I mean? Were you offered anything to go to a school? Fuck no, dude. Were any of your teammates offered anything? Did you hear stories when you were in the league of folks being paid?

I've heard of those handshakes, but that is so foreign to me. I mean, like I've joked before, that some of our professors and some people in the Virginia community would rather probably pay us off to stop playing football, that Neanderthal sport. But things have changed now. We got Tony Elliott, and you don't see him up there at the podium, making an ass of himself. Way to abide by the coach.

Yeah, that's the code, bro. Yeah. But there's nothing to report. I know. Let's bring in the beef, shall we? We got a lot of beef in this studio here. We've got Dr. Fax, we've got Kyle Long, and we've got Howie Long, my youngest brother, who's going to make his pod debut on the tail end of this pod.

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well the other day it was revealed that there is a arby's manager who's been pissing in the uh in the drink machine and i'm I'm on that. I was on that from day one. I knew about that. I knew all that everyone was like no Arby's is great. French fries. Trust the French fries. Okay so he's probably throwing the French ride machine too. No no no don't worry not at the one down there. We're going up there. No, don't worry about it. Here's my big issue with the whole thing. I mean like read if you're going to have another job you have to tell us. I thought it was probably you that pissed yeah. I mean read like this is I wish I was smart enough to think of that. This is got you sabotage all the local Arby's.

So that's like an easy, simple one pissing in the thing. What else could they do? Like that, like to the fries. Any place with a soft serve, dude. Yeah. Just you know the rest. You know the rest. Getting the milkshake machine.

Yeah. They've got milkshakes at Arby's I've heard. I don't care for the word pissing at all. Tinkling? No. He tinkled in the lemonade. Peeing or a weeing sort of felt. I like the, uh, weed.

Got to take a leak. Got to hit the head. You're more whimsical. Yeah, that's right. Got to go weed. Willie. Yeah. So,

Reed, that was fucked up. I just wanted to say that. Agreed. So is everyone on the anti-Arby's train now? No, dude, I guarantee you somebody's pissed or shit in something at a McDonald's.

Like somebody did that today at a McDonald's. Like, Reed, you're not going to get me, you're not going to scare me away from Arby's off of one guy pissing in a milkshake. It should be the guy who peed in the drink machine to scare you away. It shouldn't be me.

Well, I get blue power. anytime I go anyway. It's going to be yellow powering. It was yellow and they peed it. Blue and yellow make green. Green light pod. And we're here and all the meat, the beef.

We have the meats. Everybody's in here. There's like a lot. This couch is sagging. We got beef in the studio. This studio just got a hot beef injection. Cattle auction in this motherfucker. It's a fucking like, yeah.

Kyle, I'm sorry, but you're going to the highest bidder, dude. Okay. Yeah. He's not a milk cow. I am 7-8 I want to talk to you guys about the Bama thing briefly just because you tweeted about it Kyle Jimbo Fisher and Nick Savin

you wondered aloud who plays those two gentlemen in the movie Short Kings for sure Short guys They should have their pick that's Hollywood Cruise crews can be saving So I like the manager from Entourage

Oh Jeremy Piven Jeremy Piven. Yeah. Not bad. You know, that's not bad. Fat Christian Bail. Fine Baum said that Al Pacino should play saving. I don't really see that.

This other guy, Ben Kirchival, said J.K. Simmons, and I think that's great. He said that all the way back in 2017. Peter Dinklage. The guy from Simon Birch. Oh, my God, dude. This is terrible. What about We Man? we man

oh I see what you guys are doing well it started with Tom Cruise who played um Tyrion yeah Tyrion is Peter Dinglidge oh okay okay just all short kings here just this

this and by the way I don't mean to offend any short kings we've talked about short kings a couple of mugsy boasts could play him there you go from the bottom rope

here's what I think constitutes a short king 5-9 oh you can be 510 and be a Stocky King, you can be six foot, you're a six footer, but if you're five nine, you've crossing the short king. SK.

Yeah, echelon. Oh, you're going to have a lot of tweets about that. Yeah, people are going to be frustrated. Yeah, but you're a king, dude. You're a king. Short guys get all the girls, man. Five-nine's the average number, right? Five-nine?

I think so. Five-nine's average male height. There you go. Perfect. Right under five-nine is short king territory. And I just want to say this, I remind you all every time, short guys get the girls. Kyle and I were really big guys growing up. We're big and awkward and we don't get any girls

and we have to watch all the short kings take the hot girls to the prom. Yep. Handsome face short kings with great hair and they're confident. They fit in sports cars. They're cool. Yeah.

They went to the 311 concert at the beach with all the girls last weekend. Well, and their schweens look larger because of the back job. Yes, dude. I just say yes. You're damn right. You're damn right.

So, yeah. Like I hung the Mona Lisa at the Hoover. dam and it looks it looks a little different than let's say if how he walked in the room my younger brother who's 5-11 and uh he says he's six he's six foot he's in tall king's category he's in the tall king's but you know it's a different dam yeah it looks bad it looks bad that was a really good joke 511 and 7 8th howie's first words on this podcast were his height he's doing a combine thing Dude, he's one of the best athletes ever, though, too. Great athlete.

Yeah, so we'll bring on Howie in a little bit, but I've had a fucking week, guys. I just want to run two instances by you. We've got three dads in here, right? Three dads. I'm not missing anything. I think so. Hey, we good. Howie, we good?

Nothing you want to tell me. Well, wait until you catch your kid cussing, dude. I caught whaling cussing the other night, man. Yeah, I fucking... And what circumstances... So this was like strike four for my man Whoa whoa whoa you've caught this is the fourth time you caught him No he was just he was acting like a real you know okay a real piece of shit no dude easy no

Yeah and you know what he he was acting like one that doesn't mean he is one oh yeah you're acting that I'm saying you're acting that way I'm saying you're being that that's my favorite so anyways Waylon was just wearing my ass out, dude. I mean, I'm talking about I came home and Luke, you know, Meg left me with the kids, so I had to babysit the kids, which is the way I put, like, watching my own kids. But Luke has got this bad stomach bug within five minutes. He shits on my foot trying to get to the bathroom. You know, Whalen's not listening. He's dancing on the table at dinner and shit like that.

And then we walk inside after he reels it back in. And we're about to play Nintendo Switch, which is like, like a drug to kids dude no more uh and he's looking at the controller and he's going this fucking thing i can't believe this thing because he can't get the controller to work yeah dude so in context what do you do yeah like you're sitting on the couch right next to him yeah it's not like he was just like within arms reach fucking book time or like it's you know it's i i want some no that works too so so so yes it does so is that you or is that is that meg it's definitely one of it's both of us. You know, but it's probably more so me because he's got a point. Those fucking

controllers are really finicky, man. And so on one hand, like, and this is usually what dad say is they're like, oh, how proud were you or that sort of thing? No. No, dude. No, not in my house. So I resisted the urge to do, you know, if you catch your kid smoking a cigarette. You're supposed to be like, oh, you like, oh, you like cigarettes. My six weeks old smokes hell of six. Yeah. We're going to, we're going to, we're going to fucking finish this pack together. You know that thing. I'm gonna make you like cigarettes I've heard that let's see if you like cigarettes I was kind of like you like cussing we'll go the fuck upstairs I was like you see oh it doesn't sound good when I cuss I was like oh you don't like when I cuss and I was like to be honest and some people might not like this I was like I pay the fucking bills in this house and you will live here until you're 18 years old so I don't know where you heard that but you're not saying that word and he goes I heard it from

from you. And I said, and I said, you see that truck outside, dude? I was like, I drive that motherfucker. I didn't say motherfucker. At this point, I'm done. I said, I drive that to work every day. I was like, so because I drive that truck,

you can drive a truck now. I was like, because I do X, Y, Z. You can do X, Y, Z now. You live in my house. I pay the bills. I did that I pay the bills thing. And, uh, and, uh, does you know what bills are? I go, how, how old is willing?

How is it? He's six. He's six. Six? Yeah. He's six. Okay. He acts like he's damn eight.

dude my first understanding of a bill was when how an amendment becomes a bill yeah the bill of rights i think was my first i'm just the bill i'm just the bill i was like dad paid for the bill of rights you know what i mean my dad's a lawmaker my dad's a fucking a hero he's like one of the founding fathers and maybe he doesn't know what bills are but he knows that dad wasn't happy so anyways like this dude goes up goes to sleep the whole thing i'm riding in the truck yesterday i think i'm talking Matt maybe on the phone. Nope. Or something on the way we went hiking.

It was me. It was you. And I said, and I said, you know, this fucking thing. And I hung up the phone and well, I was like, I won't be saying that word again. He's funny, man. So he gets it. He's a really smart kid. And he's really a great kid.

It's just, it's funny to me because as I tweeted about it, I realized so many people can identify with the first time you catch your kid cussing. It's like a wow. And then when you catch your kid cussing with, the right context around it. It's cool that he had the wherewithal to use his practice field as, okay, it's just me, Dad, and Luke's taking a shit in the hallway. So I'm going to just say, fuck, right now, mom's not here and we're going to deal with it as

Matt. See, let's just rip this band-aid off. Right? He's a smart kid. He's really smart. So did you, did you ask Meg? Hey, Meg, have you heard him, Kurt? Do you think he slipped up in front of Meg or he knew it was his time to do it, like,

because he was with you? No, I don't think he, I think he totally, he caught, he got caught. Like, I walked away for a second. And he was putting the controller together with Luke. And the controller wasn't linking with the switch, which is a problem, Nintendo. It is a problem, dude. The game is terrific. The gameplay is incredible.

But the simplicity of the Super Nintendo. So Waylon's sitting there and he doesn't hear me. And he's like, this fucking controller. I can't believe this thing. And so I'm like, dude, he really is using this. So you think he's lighting Luke up sometimes? No, I don't think he's lighting Luke up. No.

No. But then we had another problem too. And this is the point of this fatherhood stuff is I know we have some dads that listen to this pod. Have a plan for situations like this. Have a fucking game plan. Have a sudden change plan like in football. Like what is the plan?

What's your first 15 look like? Situational football. Some people said don't, not in the first 15 plays, don't tell your kid you can't play the pay the bills card in the first 15 plays. I say you got to establish a run. Kyle, you know what I mean? Yeah, I mean, I'm on play six in terms of weeks.

Well, it's a little early for you. establish a run but for me i have to if i want to take shots i have to establish run another thing is we thought we lost tony we thought we lost big tony last night i didn't tell you but there was a really scary maybe 17 minute period where we couldn't find the motherfucker dude 17 17 is a long time when you have a fenced in yard and this cat's i mean he's a bulldog how far is he going was he napping in a bush Kyle exactly dude i mean i walk up i'm taking the trash out i walk up i hear kids wailing and took a to Toke and took a nap, man. No, dude.

No, this is Tony, not Willie. Oh, sorry, Tony. This is the Bulldog. Tony. And, you know, if it gets dark outside, my bulldog is outside the confines of my backyard. He's not going to make it through the night. There's predators and that sort of thing. You know what I mean?

So we had to find this dude. It looks like a country ham. He was inside sleeping. Inside. Inside. Exactly where I thought he would be. But suffice to say, when you're a dad, there are things are going to come up. And my only thought during this whole thing hearing my kid crying,

And like 15 minutes in, I was like, damn, he could be, he could be gone. I had no answer. I was like, okay, if we don't find this thing in five minutes, what am I going to tell my kids? I had no speech made up. I had no. So if you're a dad, go through these instances in your head, lost dog, kick cussing the first time. I don't want to say about any of this. Yeah, dude.

Well, it's coming. Yeah, well, I hope not. Your daughter's going to cuss like three years old, bro. Well, the cussing is going to be an issue in my house. dude. There'd be a lot of issues behavior. Do you remember as kids the first time you cussed and the reaction from your parents? I said hell in Chapel

at a stab at St. Anne's in fourth grade and I was told it wasn't good word. We were riding in the back of our suburban up the driveway and I forget what happened to instigate Howie incite Howie to say from the backseat sucky, sucky, five dollar.

It wasn't necessarily a swear word but just the combination of words led to everybody rubbernecking in the car like snapping their head around well how old was he uh probably like seven eight so seven year old got a hold a full metal jacket i think i was yeah like six or seven yeah mom i'd never seen mom snap snap her neck around oh yeah he goes sucky sucky five dollar but i tried to play it off like i had no idea what i said i knew Showed you full metal jacket, bro.

It wasn't, so it wasn't even from the movie. Grand Theft Auto. No, I think someone said sucky, sucky, $5. At school. Howie's like one of those birds that repeats things like exactly. Yeah, it's sick. I carved my initials into the, into a partition of a bathroom outside art class in fifth grade.

And then when they looked at the roster of who was in art class, they figured it out pretty quickly. I lied and said, nah, that wasn't me. And I had two accomplices who, who carved their initials. and then I told them, like, as we were passing the hallway, like, like, lie. I made a clear of lie. And then I went to the principal and confessed without telling them. No, you did not, dude.

I was like, hey, my bad, hand up. This was me. And I let me know what I can do to rectify the situation. No, I just, I admitted to it without. He dry snitch. Telling my people. And so now's the time in the podcast. where Kyle had a great idea.

Kyle, we do a layup line here, as you know, and you picked the song today. What's it going to be? I hope you dance. And when you get the choice to sit it out or dance, I hope you dance. Yeah, so today is, I don't know who sings, I hope you dance. We all know the words, the main ones, at least.

You know, but Macon's going dancing. Macon's going dancing for like a month and a half. he's he's taking this break I hope he still feels small when you stand beside the ocean yeah I hope that when one door closes I hope that one more opens he is going to the ocean too

yeah maybe I mean let's not get too specific about it yeah studio uh studio jcation it's like it's like a dozen shows you know yeah yeah it'll be um it'll be it'll be a good thing what I wish for you is that you have

uh you have last I mean look at this guy's got it covered here I'm a I'm a silent laugher I think I think Studio J will be filled with joy laughter make we want to give you some like some summer readings some because you're going you're going to be back in July so people are going to hear making in July imagine I'm your middle school teacher okay and I'm giving you some stuff you need to do we're giving you some stuff you need to do and some of these works of art you need to come back and report on I'll go first. I want you to actually listen to Dark Side of the Moon.

Okay. Like start to finish. And that's an album. That's an album. And I know you do the Jimmy Hendrix joke all the time, but, you know, like, it's usually funny. But lately I've been like, God damn, just go listen to the project, you know? Which is, um, nobody say it.

Pink Floyd. Yes, dude. It's Pink Floyd. I was going to say, deaf leopard, but that didn't sound right at all. Jack Nicklaus. Jack Nicklaus. shout out to billy football jesus billy but but i want you to listen to that album start to finish so there there's one how long does that take like 43 minutes or something oh no problem

how long is the album i'm listening to wish you were here while you're there too uh you're such an anglify i'd like to hear you learn a british accent and come back with it for the show okay easy money because the downton the next the the the most recent downton movie comes out may the 20th i'll be in theaters may the 20th you're going to go to the movie theater see that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, mast and all that. Oh, yeah. And we had a couple, another couple British movies we wanted you to watch. Lockstock and two smoking barrels. Okay. Snatch. Yeah. Have you seen Snatch? I had the DVD as a youngster, so I think I have. I'd like you to go listen to John Craigie. It's another musician. You like the last musical

artist that I suggest. James Town Revival. That's right. I am, I'm like 60-40% that you'll like this guy. He is singer-songwriter, but also includes a lot of comedy in his live stuff. So I think it'll be a little interesting. I'd like to hear what you, I'll send you a couple songs to start. I'd like to hear what you think. So wait, you hit it on like a shuffle and sometimes you get a stand-up routine and other times you get songs? He mixes it into his live musical. So like a lot of his stuff is live on Spotify. I'm intrigued. That sounds like something I would not like, but I'm intrigued that's that's the 40% but yeah i i think you'll like his music okay this is great i want you to um consume some abella danger okay is that drugs no it's a it's a it's an artist okay

yeah slash drugs i should just google the name yeah okay yeah there's a popular search engine online that it'll turn up some results for her okay oh her okay well this yeah uh uh i i I think you should choose a day of the week to get into weed. Maybe try to take some edibles. You think you might take it? Would you take an edible over this time? No. Okay.

Right. Good. No, that just doesn't seem appealing. I got something for you. Okay. I want you to watch at least three Mr. Beast videos. Okay. I remember this from years past.

Marketing genius he is. Okay. I don't I'll do the same I have no idea okay is this the cat I look like a little bit you have some similar they're white yes yeah no not just because of that you don't look like mr. beast Chris doesn't look like he looks like a white guy though and so does mr. beast I got bad news I got bad news for you Kyle so like like you're not white like you're clear you're clear right pretty tan Larry's not white Larry's clear I'm not saying I'm not saying I'm not white I'm not saying I'm not white I'm saying

there are guys that look like white guys and making is a white guy um whatever you say i enjoy raw dogging life like i don't i don't i like life is suffering as the the scripture will tell you and i'm here for it you guys like are you going to seminary maybe dog if you come back as like you know like a father a father natural lebrate if you come back as a father that would blow my top dude if you walked in this don't want to let you know, I've chosen another path. How quickly, well, maybe not. Yeah, I haven't chosen a different one.

I'm just, you know, two paths converge at once. Yellow wood. There's a river running through it. He's traveling the eightfold path. Maybe I'll take some online courses. That's a good idea. Can you learn a language while you're going? British.

I need you to learn a love language. I'm gonna, like an actual one that acts of service. Like as a human being. Acts of service is my love language. I would say, give an attempt at meditation. That's a good idea. Yeah, that really is.

I have given an attempt, and I'd like to give more attempts. I gave it an elementary attempt the other day at meditation, and I think I didn't, I think I succeeded because I tried, right? I think it's an enjoyable thing. Keep a journal, not necessarily something that you write in paragraphs today, but if you think of things, write them down. Okay. It's good to write things down.

Okay. And then every morning repeat the prayer. God give me the serenity. I know you're on the phone a lot, right? You're on the phone a lot. It's nice to, like, write shit down and see your handwriting. Yeah, I like writing. Yeah.

I like writing with pencils. I get the tip really flat. Get a carpenter pencil. Yo, you know what's crazy? I just got an old school pencil sharpener the other day, like an electric. That'd be a nice parting gift. Electric pencil sharpener. Oh, I thought you were on the desk and, like, like, taking out the little shred pieces.

Is it made by Boston? 3M I could tell you Makes will you write for the newsletter a little bit while you're gone Yeah if we send you movies and like little things to watch and your travels Like maybe you could write a little review on the newsletter Greenlightpodcast.com Okay

No So I have an announcement So I left the group chat a few minutes ago Okay And I That makes sense No I said Now y'all take care of yourselves

Yeah And I'll talk to you real soon. Now, you and I hadn't discussed my leaving the group chat, but I think that would, you know, really reinforce the hard reset. You know, I'm just going to come back with a fire. We're doing a segment for your send-off, but when it comes to the group text, no need to announce the departure. You know, it's like an airport, although they do announce the departures there.

Yeah. Try to take your shoes off and get your bare feet on the ground as much as possible. Okay. Can you go to the beach shirtless? you're going to be at the beach. I'm giving you, try to give you simple things. Would you ride a horse?

Can you ride a horse while you're going? Parasel. Hey, hey, bonus. Parasailing over the horses. Here's a deal. Here's what we're going to do. Here's what we're going to do. Parasailing sounds really dangerous.

That motherfucker might float away. What? The horse is dangerous. The horse is dangerous, sure, but you know, only if you're riding that horse that won the derby. You have a, you have a, you have a, you have a tied to a bunch of ropes. Here's what I want you to do.

I want you to listen to the next pod, okay? Okay. Can you do that? Like this one or the next one? No, the next one, the next one. Okay. This would be this one. The next one would be the one.

Let's not go down that road again. This is the name. Holy shit. Yeah, holy shit is right. So you want me to type this out on a typewriter? The next pod, can you listen to it? And we're going to give you a list of, it's like a scavenger hunt, and there's going to be money involved.

You're going to make more money. depending on the things you do but you know that's a good one so I didn't cuss but you know that shredded money you would get at like a carnival or something be fake in a little bag or something I decided to make my own shredded money and so I ripped up a one dollar bill and then I came home and I showed it to my dad and my dad flipped out and he's not a flip out guy so there probably started my obsession with money I would say you think yeah I got a real big complex I was like six so so let's use that for

content like we're gonna throw you some rewards based upon what you hear on the next pot if you know we'll give you a little scavenger you know I don't really believe in in in in money or or really any other social construct but I'll yeah I'll play along how do you sell houses what's oh no no that is that is wholly like that's pro bono fulfilling gratifying um no I mean the the compensation in real estate is is you know the hug at the closing table. Facts, you know. You hug each other while sitting at a table. Like next to each other?

It's awesome. If we stand up on the table and like chairs and shit. Big cap. Super cap. I mean, see, big cap. 40 years old.

It means you're front. Hey, making any last words before you go on your hiatus. Yeah. Peace. Yeah. Have a good day. Okay.

Y'all take care of y'all. Thank you. I love y'all very much. Love you. Love you. Hope you dance. Love mix. If, if, if, you know.

Try acid. You know, here's what I will say imparting. You know, this, this place means a lot to me. And I can't imagine what it would be like to try to solve a murder before DNA evidence. You know, you called the sheriff over. Oh, my God. Just leave. Hey, just leave.

Just go. Hey, chief, there's a pool of the killer's blood over here. And the chief's going to say, oh, gross. Let me get back to my hunch. You know? Making. And I. You said last show that everybody has jokes, not all of them are good ones.

Yes, Reid. Much love. You're like Jimbo Fisher over there. You were waiting for this. Macon, have a good one. Bye-bye. We love you. It's pretty easy talking football in the Green Light Pot.

I feel pretty good about that. Knowledge level 9 out of 10, at least. Some days 10 out of 10. Compare it or contrast it, rather, with my ability to code a website. to design a website, to execute a website, to put it out into the World Wide Web, like a zero out of 10. And we need a website at the Green Light Pot. Can't just do football segments.

So that's where somebody like Fiverr comes in. You know, we found the people that executed all those tasks on Fiverr, real life. That's what happened. And this was my first time batting a thousand. And we love it. The website's awesome. live and it's powered by Fiverr. Here are the great things about Fiverr. You can find what you're looking for instantly. It's easy. Customize your search by service, deadline price, seller reviews, and more.

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The kids are all off to school. Makin went to school for six weeks. He'll be in, what's the name of that town? He didn't want us to docks his location. It's actually a South African beach is where he's going. And he was like, don't tell people where I'm going. He thinks there's going to be throngs of people outside like Jordan in the last dance in Europe. Actually, South African Beach.

I think he's going to South African Beach. I think it's the one of Acon's building, right? He should be worried about fucking sharks. He's getting the first look at Acon's town. That's, Akon's the man too, by the way, for everything he's doing in Africa. And then also, we're empty nesters now. Macon's gone for a few weeks. I think he should jump in the shark cage.

There you go, Mike. I know you're probably not listening. But we're going to find out if Macon's listening. I'm going to troll the fuck out of him, like inbound trolling, like, you know, in accordance with the Greenpeace Treaty of 2022, where we said we're not going to do X, Y, and Z to each other. I'm going to make sure that he's listening to the pod by dropping. certain fucking Easter eggs in this motherfucker for making so I will miss making we will miss making but everybody needs a break in fact I'm plotting on a break soon just to give you all

a little heads up that's not going to change the show's not going to stop coming on but I'm trying to bank a couple interviews so when I go to Montana I can take you know maybe a day off or a week off first in the history of the show speaking of banked interviews you had a great one with Callias Campbell. Callas Campbell is a guy I really respect. I said that earlier in the pod. I mean, like known him since Miami. You know, he was this guy at Miami that I was like, wait, they're playing that

center where? I was like, they're playing him at a three technique, huh? And watching him kind of grow into his body because we were all growing into our bodies, right, in college, like he had to fill that frame out. And then we'd go to like ACCC Media Day. And I remember sitting in the hotel room just rapping with Callais and all those guys like DeMario Presley. I think, you know, we were, actually,

I think we were at the Playboy All-American thing, a whole year before the pros. I think we went the summer before our senior seasons out to Arizona. That's where I first met James Laronitis, and I met Callais Campbell there too and all those guys and some of those legends. It's a great picture of all you guys. Yeah, it's a great picture, dude.

It's an iconic picture. It's an iconic picture because you know what it is? Like in football, we get really tight. You know, we all meet each other, even guys on different teams, we all connect, and you come out in the same draft class, And then over the years, like, you look at that fucking list of guys and you're like, there's a very few of us left. At the top, there's like that list of 32 guys that you follow very closely.

Yeah, or just guys that you ran into on the circuit, on a banquet circuit or whatever, me and Glenn Dorsey meeting at his, all the awards he won. I came to support him. Glenn Dorsey, who's a fucking legend dude. Go Togis. One of the coolest guys ever, Glenn Dorsey. James Laronitis won awards. We all got to know each other on those circuits. And then over the years, it kind of like the list chops to.

down and down and you're like, damn, there's only a couple of us left. Cliff retired, and we were like, damn, we lost one. And then I retired, and then like, you look up and you're like, Tuba Rubin's not in the league anymore. Like, holy shit, like, who's left in that draft class? We're not just talking D. Lyman. I don't know how many guys are left, period, from that class.

And Kaleas Campbell going into year 15, continuing to not only be a really good player on the field, but also a fucking legend off the field, Walter Payton Man of the Year. I took a lot of pride, and honestly, even more so now looking back on the fact that I got to walk him that award because we came from the same little pocket,

ACC football 2008, and now this guy, I'm looking at this dude, he's a Hall of Famer. So it's really cool. It's deeper than just, you know, football sometimes. We've been around each other for a long time, guys that were in the same class. And so I'm really happy for Clayas

and psyched he came on the pod. Did you ever play him, Kyle? I did in the Pro Bowl. I played him in Arizona and he, the thing that stood out to me was how kind of a guy he was throughout the whole week. And then when you play, it's evident that this guy who's at the time an 11-year veteran, an all-pro, he's there and he's going hard. He went inside, overhand swim on me inside, and my hand got caught up in the wave that was his chest.

And I dislocated two of my outside fingers. They're curled up here. Yeah, that's a collier. injury this is the time i touched calais campbell in the nfl okay so this finger marquis chapman 13 years old broke my finger playing basketball matt you remember mark a chapman i do and let the records show both these guys are holding up really weirdly angled fingers yeah my left fingers really messed up and then you know i've got obviously my troy smith fingers where i sack troy smith and landed with my fingers open and under him like boom candle stick part so there there's a troy smith

finger and then my wrist obviously the fucking hardware in here is marchion so it's pretty funny we do collect a little bit of hardware from each other and you remember this is chris jones that's chris jones yeah and the neck is blake martinez so my neck is some guy i don't know his name he played for the texans this guy he fucking collects Pokemon like me and he broke my neck you got your neck broke by a guy who is collecting piccichu's shout out to blake blake blakez should be a pro bowler But he's one of those guys that unfortunately he just makes 200 tackles, leads the defense, and nobody... He was in New York last year? Yeah.

And he was in Green Bay when he broke my neck. Yeah. All right. So here's Callais Campbell and then stick around for more with Kyle, Dr. Fax, Howie Jr., and Chris. No question. If you're in Arizona, Colorado, Indiana, New Jersey, New York, Michigan, Tennessee, or Virginia, and you haven't tried the windbed app yet, I got great news for you. New users can take advantage of WinBet's Bet 50 Win200.

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And in Michigan, 1-800-270-7-1-17-8-9. Okay, I got somebody from the 2008 draft class here, and somehow he's still playing football. This is just incredible. He's one of the most amazing football players that I've ever seen play because not only is he still doing it, he's a Hall of Famer in my book, but he's also six foot eight in there with the little guards and short people, and he's swimming them, and he's ripping under him. And I just never seen anything like it. So Callais Campbell, welcome to the show, dude. Hey, man, thanks for having me. I appreciate you.

You know, we go way back, man. So this is a way back. It's always a pleasure. Way back, dude. The pleasure is all ours. I just, the last time we saw each other was probably the, maybe it was on the field when you got the Walter Payton man of the year. But I can remember after you won the award, which they do a really good job of keeping

close to the vest, you know, you won the award. You needed a ride back to the hotel. My wife and I and you in an SUV for 45 minutes, just kind of you soaking it in. being Walter Payton Man of the Year. What's that feel like? How was that? Yeah, man. It's a good feeling. You know, I tell you, you know, you don't really do anything for a reward or anything like that. You do it for the cost of your heart to want to help people. But then, you know, you start seeing people get the award, you know, and seeing everybody, how prestigious it is. And so after, you know, a couple of years of being nominated and not getting it,

I was like, man, you know, it would be cool to get this bad boy, you know? I feel like it just represents, you know, I want to be a part of. and so, you know, when I heard my name called and got up there, man, I was a really good feeling. You know, I think that is the most prestigious award in all the sports. And for me to be able to have my name attached to it, you know, that's a really good feeling. Dude, that was, that's awesome. And they really do. You didn't know it until you get it, right?

You didn't know until that night that you were winning the award, right? Yeah, yeah. I didn't know until like, I mean, really halfway through the show. And I wouldn't even store yet because Peyton, you know, he kind of gave me a little, a little nudge. It was like, I'm hearing good things. And so I was like, you know, kind of caught me out of going a little bit, you know. But then I was like, okay, gave me a chance, you know, to get my, you know, to kind of really process my thoughts. You know, because they told me like kind of to prepare if I, you know, if I won, have something ready, you know, that I can go through and say.

But, you know, when you go through that process, it's like, okay, I'm just, you know, it's not really as passionate. But then when you find out like, oh, wow, I might really win this bad boy. It's like my, my mom was just racing. That's the hard thing writing the speech Like you're a winner but you want to be humble It's like the least humble thing ever Is to write your acceptance speech And you haven't necessarily won yet

But you got to do it anyways I went through that It was like it's like man It's hard to write this out But you're right as soon as you know The emotions kind of take over Yes sir Yes they do man

It's a great feeling I had unique on last week And not only does he speak really highly of you as a mentor and as like a dude obviously but he wants to be walter patent man of the year and he said i want to be walter patent man in the year like calais campbell so it's really cool to see a younger player and it also makes me feel old that now like a guy like you or a guy like me we're like the o gs but he was definitely talking about you like you were a big vet down in jacksonville what's it mean to mentor guys like and yeah it's a funny word to use because tannihil got in trouble using

this word last week. What does it mean to be a vet to a younger player? I'll put it that way. Yeah, I mean, so I remember when I was a young buck and I was talking to some of the older players and he said, I got to protect my pension. So I got to make sure I show you the ropes, you know, teach you the game.

And so, you know, I always appreciated, you know, the mentality of just trying to keep the game strong. You know, make sure that the young players when they come in and understand the way of life in the NFL. And so, you know, I mean, I've always took great pride and just helping people, and that's just who I am as in nature. I mean, that's, you know, part of the law to pay the man in the year thing is that we just, you know, just my whole life I've been raised and brought up in a matter where we help the people next to us around us, our neighbors. And so, you know, we depend on them as well.

You know, we need help. So, you know, it's just a family atmosphere. And so we get to the NFL and start playing the game I love, which the reason why I love it is because it's about brotherhood. It's about, you know, that family atmosphere. atmosphere, that connection that, you know, we all got to, you know, do our individual jobs at a high level to not like the person next one's down. And so for me, man, you know, I just, I see these young guys come in with potential and, you know, just, I just want to help them, you know, develop, help them nurture. So, you know, I'm always, you know, in their ears, you know, telling them, you know, how they can get better, things they need to work on, what I see, trying to help build their confidence, you know, the things that I think that are necessary for young players to develop, you know, now, you know, if we guys will be a good player, he's a good player, you know, I mean, like I said, dogs will be a dog, you know. Yeah. But if I could help them, you know, kind of just reach his full potential faster

or even just, you know, give them a little bit of a boost at the earlier age, you know, I feel like, you know, it allows us all to be better on the team. So, you know, I take great pride in it. But also I just want to, you know, see you guys do well. You know, I see now we're in year 15, you know, I got a lot of young bucks who are now, you know, oh hands themselves, you know. Yeah. A lot of my young bucks, you know, I was training with my guy, Marcus Golden.

How old is Marcus now? Yeah, I think he's 29, but he's in year out. He's in year 8, going to year 8 this year. And now people look up to him, like he's the O-Head in the locker room. And, you know, he was, we're just kind of, you know, just having to last, how quickly, you know, that wisdom comes to you, you know, guys looking up to you. Especially now in the NFL, like, shoot, I remember when I was in St. Louis,

I always tell the story that when I was, I was a year seven or eight, And at this point, I think you were in Jacksonville maybe around 2014, but we were the older guys because the CBAs changed so much, they were trying to get vets out. So, like, you don't have veterans in the locker room as much. So for somebody to play 15 years in the NFL is unbelievable. Somebody to play eight, nine, ten years in the NFL is unbelievable these days, especially at a high level. Like, I remember my parking spot was one of the two closest parking spots of the building at 30 years old in St. Louis. So when I got in the league, probably a lot like you in Arizona, you had all those vets, right? You had a bunch of 30 plus year old guys.

That doesn't exist anymore. So not only is it important for you to mentor people or whatever you want to call it, but like if it ain't you, it might not be anybody, right? There's nobody that's seen 13, 14, 15 years in the NFL anymore. So I think it's really cool. Like what about a guy when he's not receptive to being mentored? Have you ever had that issue? Oh, yeah.

All the time. You know, I mean, sometimes, you know, it really comes on like these, you know, young rookies, they come in, you know, a guy telling me, I'm going to take your job. You know, you're supposed to. That's, you know, I want you to think that way. Good.

You know, if you don't have a mentality, you have no chance. I'm probably sure right now. You know, you got to come in with the mentality that you would take my job one day. Now, you know, you know, unlucky for you is I'm really good at my job, you know, so as hard as you want to work,

I'm going to work harder, you know. But I'm, but the thing about it, though, is that same guy, I still, every single time I, I got a chance to teach him something, I taught him something. You know, and even though he was reluctant at first, because he was like, you know, man, we knew the competition. I was like, as much as you think of the competition, I'm really not, you know.

I mean, if you could be as good as me on the field, this team is going to be a whole lot better. If you could be better than me, this team will be a whole lot better. I had some young guys who just, you know, people that just want to do it themselves sometimes, you know. But, you know, in the grand scuba things, I feel like everybody learns different. You know, you can't actually help everybody at the same. And so a lot of times, you know, with those guys who kind of want a little more independence, you know, I just try to, I have less, but I try to help them more outside of football. You know, if you don't want football, man, there's still a lot of things you need to learn, you know, especially how to take care of your money, how to take care of your body, how to watch tape. So, you know, that's some stuff that, you know, that you ain't got to be about football all the time, too.

So how to manage your family. That's the truth, dude, like the off the field ship, because a lot of times these young guys are afraid to go to the coaches and afraid to go to people in the facility because, you know, you know, like ultimately those are the people paying them. So there's a conflict of interest there. You know, so it's nice to have somebody who's on your team that can help you navigate those waters. You know what I mean? Because that's the most complicated stuff,

I feel like for a 22-year-old guy. Yeah. Yeah, I think all that stuff takes away from football. And, like, you know, you only get a small window to be really, really good at football. So, you know, I'm really on top of these guys about just, you know, managing the outside world so they can, you know, dedicate themselves the best they can to football if they want to. You know, some people don't take football that serious.

You know, that's your progress. Do you think that this generation's any different than ours? Like, what do you think the biggest difference is? I mean, it's funny, we're old enough now to say this generation. Do you think they're any different? Do you think social media has changed people? Do you think, like, the training camps or the lack there of two a days? Like, do you think that stuff changes stuff?

Yes, yes. I think, you know, kids come in with a brand. They already, you know, and it's going to be even different now with NIL money. But, you know, before that part of it came, you know, came about just having the social media brand and the following. I mean, a lot of these kids, you know, that, you know, changes of thousands of followers since they were, you know, middle school. You know, and then like the real superstars, they come in with this mentality that, you know, like, you know, that I'm a brand. It's just bigger than just, you know, me trying to dig a football player. I'm trying to, you know, project up, you know, future.

And, like, you know, that was one of the conversations I had with Jayla Ramsey when he was the young buck, you know, know, he understood his level of brand. And, you know, it wasn't really even like something that was a negative thing because I understand, you know, how your brain can help you in so many ways. Yeah. After football and even in football. And so, you know, we had to have understanding in the communication that, you know, but I realized that, you know, because a lot of guys come in with that same mentality of, like,

trying to get my brand, but they didn't have to work. You know, with Jalen, he worked. He still was going to work. really hard to be the very, very best. He was motivated to be the best corner in sport, you know, in football. So, you know, we had a good understanding and we had, you know, a, you know, a good relationship, though. But he did rub some people in the building, you know, I remember a couple of when he was a rookie, you know, I wasn't there yet. I came in in 2007 so, so, you know, his rookie was still 16. But when I got there, everybody was like, man,

he had this one guy, you know, where, you know, he just, you know, he thinks he's the guy already. You know, and I was like, okay, you know, let me talk to this man. Just get a feel for him myself because I don't like to go off anybody's, you know, opinion of people just because, you know, you don't really get that. You can't get an authentic response. And that's rooted in their experiences. So I go up to him and I'm talking to him. And I realize that, man, he's hungry. You know, he's hungry to be the very, very best.

So like the little things that people have issues with, we can adjust. We can make that work. You know, I try to get him to come along on a couple of those things. But in the day, you know, he's not going to hurt us. he's going to help us win football games. And so, you know, we just had to kind of get to understand it. And, you know, one thing for sure is he respected me, which went a long way because I think there were some people in the locker room who tried to do things,

they hate them respect, and that didn't go the right way. So, you know, everybody couldn't talk to them a certain way, but we had a good relationship. But, you know, you learn quick, though, that, you know, like the football was changing. You know, these young guys came in with, you know, with the brand and a certain level of confidence that I felt like wasn't the case back when we were young just because of social media and ability to, you know, technology as a whole, you know, I mean, they're more skilled too. I mean, people learn how to, you know, perfect their skills

because of technology, you know, watching tapeering yourselves and all that stuff. You know, being able to reach people and get the best coaching. You know, we didn't have that, you know, when I was young, you know, I mean. These camps are crazy. They're like professionally run camps. I mean, it's insane. Now, I don't know about all the coaching at every single camp because that's the one thing like you could do a lot more but be coach shitty and build bad habits but a lot of these kids are really polished bro which is another thing it's hard to project like when somebody's really polished how high their ceiling is you know like i like a guy who's got a little bit of work to do like i'm looking at this kid from oregon right tibito i don't think he's that polished i'm not down in the kid i just don't think he's gotten a hold of like a great coach yet and i think like somebody like that has a high ceiling because there's room to grow but a lot of these

these kids have been kind of coached to the point where I'm like, what else could I get out of them? But that's really interesting. You said that about Jalen because he's one of my favorite players. And the thing I love about him is he has like a D-line mentality, in my opinion. Like he loves to come down and tackle. He loves to put his nose in there. He loves to be physical. And he's also an agitator. Like I noticed that right off the bat. He likes to get in people's heads. Give me a great, I mean, we know some of the Jalen getting in people's head stories. Like what makes him ticked that way with the mental game? Yeah, I mean, I think that's part of his greatness.

I think he's, you know, studied the great players. And he has a little bit of Jordan mentality where I'm going to talk trash to you from the very first play. Unless you know, you can't get open on me, you can't, you can't get under GIST me. And then, you know, when they start getting, you know, the ball will come their way and he starts getting the head a little bit more and more, you know, he raises up another level and they lose that cool. You know, I mean, you know, people you thought would never lose that cool, too.

Like, you know what I mean? AJ. But, yeah, the AJ Green situation, you know, like, that was wild to me because he was just such a cool, calm, collective person. But, like, you know, we're all alpha males. You know, we want to be the very, very best, you know, nothing, you know, nobody can stop me. And then when you're going to get that mentality, well, okay, now I'm getting worked a little bit. And then, hey, take a trash, you know, you definitely get to that level where, you know,

he could take out your game, get you worried about him more so than make your plays. No question. No question. It's genius, you know, man. hey, you know, he was one of my favorite teammates for that very reason, you know, that I knew that I telling him to do his job at a high level. You know, I didn't have to worry about him

at one time. What would it it took to keep that Jacksonville thing together? Because, you know, I think about the D-Line we had in St. Louis and we broke up and, like, you know, you all had this really special group. And, you know, I still think about our group. Do you think back about that group? It's not to say you don't enjoy

where you are now, but what a fucking amazing group of young rushers and then you with the veteran leadership. You had Malik, you had unique, you had Fowler, you had a bunch of dudes that could really get after the quarterback and really good players at every level of defense too, right? Because you had

Jaylen, you had good linebacker play, like really fast backers. How fun was that and why did it break up and like what could have kept it together? Do you think it could still be together in some alternate universe? You know what? I feel like sometimes

you know, and this is, you know, obviously, I mean, everybody who was in the front of stairs is gone now. This is one of those situations where I feel like we tried to get younger, tried to get a little more explosive and we lost some really good leaders. And on that defense,

we had Miles Jack and we had Tubman Smith or the linebacker play who went to the sideline and they were explosive but we also started puds. And Puzz only played on run downs, but he brought like so much more to the whole team with just the

he prepared and the way, you know, everybody respected him. And he wasn't like a big vocal guy. He wasn't going to do any raw, raw stitches or anything like that. But the way he just carried himself, it was a walking example for everybody. And when things got to a level where he needed to say something, he always said the right thing. And, you know, so we losing him, that one hurt. You know, we also lost Mercedes-Lewis, who was the only person I was there the whole time. And he was the most respected person in the whole building. You know, I think, you know, I mean, everybody, You don't matter who it was, if you need to talk to the coach, the front office, you can talk to the owner.

You know, like Mercedes was a guy that had the respect for everybody in the building. Yeah. And so, you know, we end up losing him. You know, we went to Austin Safaris Jenkins. And, you know, I mean, I get, I get that they're trying to get younger and more explosive and all that good stuff and try to, you know, make some more plays. But you lose a guy, you know, those two guys have just had the respect to the whole locker room. And even though we were super, super talented, you know,

you know, I mean, Mercedes was the guy who was the vocal guy in a locker room, you know, and I came in and added that part of it as well for, you know, for defense and really for the whole team. But it was a nice copamarity piece. But when, you know, we lost them those guys who just, they were the OGs and the generals. And let's come out of other guys. I think we, you know, we went from having like eight guys over 30 to having two. Right. And so that one really hurt, you know, because we just got so.

young and then you know we were so talented that you know winning will conquer everything we got to a fast start gun next year and remember y'all beat new england right you beat new england at home and beat the breaks off him and i remember sitting there thinking holy shit that wasn't a fluke up there in foxborough because y'all should have won that game the fumble dude i remember the fumble jack was not down he was not down so we would have played each other in the super bowl man yeah i know yeah i was sitting I was sitting in the office getting ready. Like, you know, they got the little, like, training room office, and I'm getting taped.

And, like, you know, you kind of watch the game, but you're not supposed to just sit there and watch the game. And I remember sitting in there during that play, and I was so mad because I would have rather played y'all. Like, not that y'all were worse, I think our offense would have had their hands full. But I felt like that would have been a, you know, kind of a rock fight,

like a physical defense-dominated D-line game. And it would have been cool because it's two teams who never won a Super Bowl before competing. So, you know, you know, I would have to root it for you guys. You know, I wanted you to win, even though, you know, I respect, you know, the Patriots and, you know, I mean, Tom Brady is the best part ever played this game. You know, you just kind of, you know, just you're in a hall every time to see him play. You know, when you play against him, you know, just makes me bring my A game. You know, I love it.

He's on schedule this year, too, so I can't wait. You know, but just out of respect, you know, is the best in the history of the game. Who do you think retires first? You or Tom? That was going to be him. But I just do not know, man. He may just keep checking along. Hey, dude.

Hey, but honestly, it might be you if you can get the bag like him out of football. Like, if you can get that bag, do you ever think about doing media stuff, see? I do. I do think about doing media stuff, you know, you know, I, you know, I mean, it's how it goes. You know, that you're of the position, that you're of, you know, just who you are. You know, I'm not getting $37 million out the gate. No, none of us are, dude. Here, I'm doing a fucking podcast, okay?

So. But I will definitely do some kind of media at some level, somewhere, you know, and I would, you know, who knows, I want to get on the TV shows. I might even, you know, try to do, try my hand, play-by-play, you know, see how it goes. You know, I don't know how good I'd be, but, you know, it'll be fun to try. Dude, that'll be awesome. And then also, I had to ask you because, you know, when I read about you coming back for your 15th season, the Players Tribune deal, talk about the Super Bowl. And, like, I think you have a really interesting situation. and my dad talks about this a lot

because when he was young, the Raiders went and won a Super Bowl. Okay, so like you guys didn't get a chance to win it, but you were there, like your first year. And he said, he goes, when I go back and talk to teams later in my life and I talk to teams full of young guys, I'd say, like, you're getting ready to play in the Super Bowl,

you're getting ready to playing this big playoff game. Don't take it for granted because when you're young and you roll in and this is the reality, you think, hey, this is the way it is. you're like, I'm going to be here a lot. And so 15 years later, you're still chasing the dragon. You're trying to win one. Like, do you look back at that Arizona game and, like, when you guys lost that Super Bowl,

did you realize how much that hurt? Or was that something that over time you were like, man, fuck, dude, we had our one shot. And now I'm trying, you know what I mean? Like, did you take it for granted at all? Were you able to realize the magnitude of that situation? No, you know, to be honest, I mean, I took it for granted. you know, I figured that we'll be back there and get the next year, you know. And I mean, I'm just not those little young kids.

We all heard, dude. We didn't know anything, dude. And so, you know, the people did tell us, though, I remember I think it was Birchaberry and Andrew Wilson was like, man, this thing is rare. Yeah. You know, and they were both, you know, 10 plus years. And they were like, man, you got to really embrace this because this is super, super rare. in weird Arizona where like nobody expected us to go to Super Bowl that year

let alone, you know, ever. And so like, you know, we were, you know, everybody was just on like a high on this cloud nine, you know, but here I am in my mind thinking, yeah, I'm gonna embrace this, you know, but, you know, I must have known those little kid and I'm like, yeah, it's hard. It's hard.

But, you know, we're about to be doing this again next year, you know, and you know, you're again, you know, just internally, you know, just feeling like, yeah, I'm a different breed. I'm going to super bowl every other year like, you know, like Tom Brady does in my mind. And, you know, I mean, just kind of like it seems like every year just compounds like that moment. Just like not being able to really appreciate it to I wanted to.

And, you know, and I, you know, I feel like, you know, I've been a part of some really good teams that had, you know, so close to getting back there. And I played in two more championship games, been in the playoffs. You know, you know, it was a top C, you know, up there, you know, with a chance to win. And, you know, it just every time it just hurts. It hurts really, really bad when you think about, like, man, I was there. I had my opportunity.

But, you know, what's kind of crazy is we had this guy Anthony Levine, we called him Coquette. And I was, you know, I was sitting there dwelling on that stuff like in the playoffs, you know, last year. And, like, you know, we lost six straight games. And I was just kind of like, you know, I was just frustrated. You know, I'm mad. And, you know, I remember talking to him like, man, like, you know, I work so hard. And I want a championship so bad. And, like, you know, just everything I want to go through, like, everything I've been through to try to get a championship.

And I was just like, man, this is ridiculous how, like, you know, I feel like I'll get part of these, you know, really good teams and just got misfortune, bad luck, you know, because, you know, because of 2015, Carson Palmer, you know, gets hurt. And, you know, and, you know, you got a chance to, I feel like when the Super Bowl that year. But then, you know, our office starts sput down a little bit because of the injured. And, you know, and then defensively that affected us too because we didn't play like we should have played, you know, I got to carry the team and we didn't have our business, you know, but that was, you know, just I feel like it was bad fortune.

Even though I feel like you can't make excuses, you guys still. Yeah, I mean, the fumble, the New England fumble, which you don't have to say it. I'll say it like, you know, that should have gone the other way. I mean, not necessarily the whole game, but, you know, like there's a bunch of bad luck that, you know, a lot of times it's luck that gets you there.

I mean, like, there was so much luck involved in our Eagles run. There was so much luck involved in our Patriots. run and there's a lot of luck i'll just say this is a guy who got lucky at the end of my career it's a lot of luck in being a super bowl champion dude like being a super bowl champion's cool and i'm telling you like we've known each other a long time like it's fucking cool but it's also like i know that it was because i was a part of a team and it's just it's just fate or it's just chance like it's where i pick it's what my mom's it's what i picked in free agency it's what you know like it's it's a million little factors that add up so you know like fuck i want to see you win a

Super Bowl too, but it's not some personal, you know, thing. It's not like some knock against the game. That's what I'm saying, dude. You just said it. There's so many things that have to go right or wrong. And that's the thing that, you know, that I guess I found some solid saying. It was just like, you know, I mean, Super Bowl champion or not Super champion, you know, I mean, I had a lot of fun playing football.

You've also made a lot of plays. I had a career that I can be proud of. Yeah. And so, you know, it's definitely one of those things where, you know, I looked at my stuff in the mirror. It's like, man, you gave it your best shot. You know, like, could I have done more? Could I have did anything more? And, you know, you kind of think about like, not could have tried to

be a little more, could help guys a little more accountable. Could I try to, you know, throw more events when we get together. You know, whatever we have to do to try to do something to build a little more team of years. But in the grass scheme of things, you know, like, I gave him a best shot. Yeah, and bottom line is the future's unwritten. We got

maybe five more years of Calaisus. Campbell. We got five more. He's going to outplay Tom Brady. He's going to keep going. I think it's really, I think your team's going to be pretty good this year. I think y'all went through a lot of shit last year with all those injuries, man. I mean, like, how bad was it when it was its worse? Oh, yeah, it was tough, because, you know, you just keep right, you know, next man up. Next man up.

Yeah. All right, come on now. You know, we were deep. You know, we were still winning games. But then when Lamar, you know, it gets his, you know, gets his little injury, you know, if he had a bone bruise on his ankle. And, you know, I mean, having something like that before, I knew it was going to be a couple weeks, you know,

and for, you know, for missing games, it's like, man, yeah. Because even with all of the injuries we had, as long as you're in the quarterback position, you got a chance to win, you know. And we still, you know, we fought hard. We lost four games by two points, you know. I mean, that's, you know, that's just a nature.

We had a chance to win games in the big we fight. And I think it builds character. And so for going forward for this year, I was like, man, like, you know, because I was, I was kind of played retirement. And then I was just thinking about like, okay, if I go back to the Ravens, and I guess what really kind of hurt me is,

if I don't go back, and they win a Super Bowl and be sick. That's why I came back in 2018 to the Eagles. Never would have played otherwise. I'm totally with you, dude. You know, so, but I just feel like the character that was being built last year, you know, when you have to go through that sign of adversity and nobody flinched, we just kept going forward, kept moving forward. You know, we never broke.

I mean, every single game we were in it, you know, the reception of Cincinnati, even when we had Lamar, we got brought up by Cincinnati twice, which is crazy, you know. I mean, that hurts. two kids are good. Joe and Jamar are really good. And Boyd. They weren't going on everybody. No, it's just a bad day.

You guys were really hurt that. The secondary was really jacked up. But the first time we weren't even hurt and they blew us out. I can't help you. That's something we've got to address. Yeah. You know, that's going to be definitely something that, you know, when we in a locker room and before we play those,

before we play them, it's going to be a different time. Yeah, what's that intensity like Bengals Week this year? Well, I mean, you know, it used to be the least, So I think, you know, the intensity is the most against the stillers. That's the most intensity we're going to have is against the stillers. Yeah. And then it gets to Browns because the organization used to be the Browns.

There's a different level of intensity. I feel like it comes more from the offices, from the people outside of the actual on the field. Right. As of the locker room. But you can see the intensity is still there really, really tough because they're like, you know, we used to be them. So it's like a little bit of attention there. So Cincinnati was like that third level of intensity. You know, still division rival, but third level.

But after getting, you know, stuck, you know, back to back, you know, games and, you know, just kind of losing that, in that way. Because, you know, we lost to still as both games, too, but it was like close games without the wire. But, you know, I definitely feel like that's probably going to be the most intense game this season.

Just because I don't think anybody likes getting, you know, their ass work for lack of a better term. And just going to sit there and smile, act like, is that a big deal? Like, nah, you know, I'm a man. You got to see me now, you know, at the very best of me, you know, That's what should have been in the second game, but, you know,

and they're a good team, so it's not like, you know, I mean, I expect them to be, you know, to be very competitive and it's going to be tough to beat them. But, you know, from an intensity standpoint, the intensity better be through the roof, you know. I mean, you know, that's just out of pure respect. I remember back in 12, you know, we get demolished. I'm talking about blown out back-to-back games against Seattle,

Marshawn, you know, diving to the end zone, running for like 20 yards. just, I mean, back to back games. So the next year, we play them and, you know, it was kind of like one of those things where it was like, you know, check your manhood. You know, now it's a little bit different because, you know, I don't think we were supposed to be the better team that in 2012.

Like we were this year, you know, coordinate everybody else, you know, but internally, you know, we felt like, man, this is crazy. Like, you get this team to just really just disrespect you on your own field. Yeah, there's only one way to get that taste out of your mouth and that's to see them again. And I, as aside,

I think the NFC West in the early 2010s was the most physical division I've ever played in. So, like, people, I don't think people realize. Yeah, there's too many West Coast games and shit. I don't know if they know. Man, that was, it was a beautiful thing, man, the competition, you know, I mean, the people just take turns with a division. It was a fun division to be part of it. We missed our turn, but we did make sure we beat.

We missed our turn to win the division, but we made sure we beat up on Seattle where we could in San Francisco. go, it's year 15. Take me inside, you know, the mind of a 15-year vet on a Monday morning. What the fuck does it feel like? Because I know what it felt like year 11 for me. I don't know what it feels like year 15. You're still playing inside. You're still playing a bunch of snaps.

What's the grind like getting your body back? That's like almost a game within the game by Sunday. Yeah. It's a process, you know, I got a routine that worked for me. But it seems like every year I can add a little more to the routine. It's like, you know, this ain't enough. It used to be enough. But I got to add something else because it's not enough.

But, I mean, it really starts Sunday after the game's over. You know, I got to get into my little, like, you know, my normal deck boots. You know, I usually, you know, sometimes I get a massage in the IV right after the game with the vitamin bags trying to just rebuild my system. And then, you know, but it's just a process of, I got, you know, three people that come to my house. Then I got, you know, the people in the building that I work with, you know, consistently. You know, and I'm pretty much doing something. I'll probably put another, you know, two to four hours of some kind of treatment every single day,

especially Monday, you know, Monday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday are going to be the days where it's like, you know, six hours. You sometimes have more than that. Every day, yeah. Yeah. Of doing body work stuff, you know, as far as like just not working out, but just like, you know, somebody working on my body or doing some kind of machine, you know, to try to get me into, you know, recovery mode at the highest level. And then by the time I get to like, you know, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, it comes down to like two hours, you know, of doing something every day to try to get my body back right.

But it's a sacrifice, man, you know, I mean, I got a little kid now, you know. And so my wife, you know, we, you know, it's a sacrifice, man, you know, because I'm not got so many hours in a day. You know, we're at the building, you know, for a while. And then, you know, when I get home, it's like, you know, I mean, I get a little time with the family. then it's back to body work. And so it really comes more of a mental grind than it is a physical grind. But I have to go through that

in order for my body to feel good enough to be able to go out to and perform at high level. So, you know, but it's a sacrifice, you know. And I mean, I don't plan doing this forever, you know. But I got one more of me for sure. I signed a two-year deal because they need it and they needed two for cap purposes. But, you know, I told them now I might want to play another year.

I have no idea I'm going to throw out to the season. So, you know, it's just I love the game so much that, you know, That time when you choose to walk away is going to be, you know, it's going to be a tough choice. And so I'm going to have to go through it, but I'm going to take it a year-by-year basis. You know, but, you know, you'll try to make it fast. But, you know, this could be it. This could very well.

Do this shit, dude, do this shit for Cliff Averill, Chris Long, Tuba Rubin, Vernon, Vernon, Goulston, Glenn Dorsey, do this shit for all the 2008 guys, all right? We're all sitting on couches like these, man. And we're watching our guy, year 15. I'm pulling for you, man. I'm pulling for you. I hope you get that ring, man. You deserve it.

Hall of Famer, amazing guy off the field, Walter Payton Man of the Year, and just somebody I'm super proud to say I know. So Callais Campbell, thanks for the time, bro. Much love, my brother. I appreciate you. Likewise, bro. There's no eye and team,

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because you're a fucking grown man. Technically not a junior, but it's just easier for people to kind of figure it out that way. But I will not go by H.J. I'm going to call him Frankie because his middle name is Francesco. We'll figure out, I mean, until further. Picking out a name to be called by.

I have a name. Dirty Harry. Dirty Harry. You need an alien. That used to be your nickname. Dirty Harry, that's it. Also a sick song by the gorillas. Do you remember them?

Yeah. My kids love that song. All right. Here's the deal, guys. First off, Eastwood. Clint Eastwood, that's a good one, too. It feels good.

Video. Yeah. Trippy. So I was listening to the guerrillas in college. Holy shit. High school. Middle school. So crazy.

Listen, here's the deal, man. Howie's got some questions for me and Kyle and Nate obviously can chime in. You know, this is his first time on the pod. This is really long overdue. How he lives in Vegas. So we don't get to see a dirty Harry comes in once a year from Vegas and just kind of kisses some babies. and then heads back to Sin City. Don't forget the shaking hands.

Yeah, it's tough for me to get off the craps table out there in Vegas because that's all you do. Yeah? You're getting some nice disposable income from the craps table? No. I don't think Matt was either. Matt was it. Wait, you were up.

You won, right, out there? No, freaking Ralph won because Ralph owes me money. I told Ralph to put money in the lucky little Chinese globe. thing that they have out there. And literally, after he did it, he was losing the whole trip. He won big time. So you think you need a, are you telling our social media guy that he needs to pay you royalties because you were like, you should do that.

We have it on camera where I said it. And he was like, y'all, if I win, I will. What's the cut on something like that when somebody like suggests 21 red? Non-binding. Not that agree. Right, dude. Non-binding is correct. That was a super fun trip.

I was down on gambling. on that trip for sure but did enjoy getting to go to nashville and see busting with the boys so there you go there's the busting with the boys thing that's what we got to talk about this is me publicly apologizing to will compton i went on busting with the boys and by the way you got to go check those guys out compton taylor lewan i said that like this three people but taylor lewan it's hard to say that fast taylor lewan taylor lewan say that five times fast chelel lewarn taylor lewarn taylor lewarn taylor lewarn until they wore until a little worn. God.

While smoking, while smoking weed. That's the coolest thing you've ever done in that Bruce Lee shirt, which is the coolest shirt I've ever seen, by the way. Like, there's a lot of out of control cool shirts, and Nate might have the coolest one. In fact,

there's dragons, there's Bruce Lee. It's a button down, it's short sleeve. That's not Lulu. That's woo. There's fire in the background, dude. Thrift farm.

Nobody. God damn. I said it's Charlottesville Thrift story. If we don't give them out, believe me, I got to work for these motherfuckersleafers. in here. I mean, I'll say some funny shit in here and they're just tired of my ass. A lot of jokes are flying over my head like in here a lot of time. It might be the the Pineapple Express. So on that topic, I go to Bustin with the boys to stop there on the way to this Vegas trip we were talking about

and I really wanted to, I really do believe in supporting people that I really fuck with in the industry and I really like Will Compton and Taylor. So, and especially Compton because he has to kind of run that business. Like, I know Taylor has a lot to do with what goes on behind the scenes, but Will has to like hustle so hard because he's got more time. You know, I'm not doing a year 10 joke or whatever, Will. I'm just saying Taylor, he's been, you know, Will was out of football at times last year and has really built this thing up.

And so I wanted to just go pop by and support those guys. So I go there. Will or me, I forget which one. We were like, we smoke it on the bus. It was more like, can we smoke the bus out? And, you know, I'm podcasting. maybe more times than you know I'm high when I'm podcasting. So did you smoke today?

Yeah. And you're just fine. I'm actually high right now. Because it's just something that helps tie the room together for me. It's the rug. You know what I mean? Absolutely. And when the rug is gone, I need the rug.

I can imagine how that would work. Yes. So anyways, we hit this joint together and we're just smoking podcasts and having fun. And in the podcast, we're talking about it. Like one of my biggest pet peeves is when you smoke weed, Like openly, you have to be the biggest stoner. You know what I mean? Like you have to be.

You're the weed guy. You're the weed guy, especially when there's not a lot of players that talk about it. But I don't care. Like, you know, I'm pretty wide open. So anyways, fast forward to now. Will is excited. The episode's coming out. I'm excited for, you know, I hope I did good on it because I really like their show.

And Will sends me a text last night. Like, hey, Bustin with the Boys is popping out this social. wondering if you could do the boys a solid and collaborate with us. You know, collaboration on Instagram now is like both accounts have to co-sign this shared. You know, yeah, it's pretty fucking, it's like next level.

And I'm like, yeah, I'm eating dinner. And let me check it out when I'm done. And I fucking go to get the social. And they weed guide me, bro. They like unintentionally, totally like for fun, weed guide me. Because I don't think they realize like how protective I am of like my Instagram.

Like, I'll go on their show. and smoke and whatnot. But another thing that happened this week with Waylon was like, yeah, when I'm 12, I'm getting a phone, huh? And I was like, oh, buddy, no. The other thing I told you about the bills? Like, you're asking me about, I had to bust this one out. I was like, yeah, who told you that?

He was like a kid at school. He's getting a phone when he's 12. I was like, well, if you want to go live with him, you're welcome to go live with him, but you've got to get your stuff first and I'll drive you there. Yeah. And then he was like, okay. And, but that just reminded me

that in about three years, my son is going to be probably surfing Instagram on other kids' phones and is going to have, you know, a direct access to my feed. I don't want me on there smoking. There's nothing wrong with what I do. Yeah. But the social guys will tell you that, like, I've told these guys, don't cut socials. Don't put me on YouTube with smoke in the air because I think there is still a stigma. And, you know, I know some people are like, oh, if you talk about weed, you're breaking the stigma down.

Yeah, I'm doing it, but I don't have to go to the wall for it, dude. So busing with the boys put me on this thing The social is just me blowing smoke out There's fucking reggae music They basically turned me into a 43 year old guy With a tribal tattoo at a at a 3-11 concert Nothing wrong with that Maybe slightly stupid

Which has its perks Right? Namely the drugs Just has its perks Yeah So anyways I said to Will I was like as soon as I saw it

I just like my stomach dropped Because I was like damn This is a fire social they're going to love this people are going to want to tune in but i don't want anything to do with this social and now i got to consider do i make something up in this situation do i act like i didn't see the text because i've already responded told them right after i'm finished i finished this fish i'm going to go out there and i'm going to i'm going to collaborate with you what do you do in that situation i told the truth and that's the problem i'm really bad like that that's the problem

What I should have done is made up a lie. I would have lied my ass off. Bro, I was like, I texted him and I told him, hey, listen, man, I think the social's fire. But I got weed guide, like, you know, I kind of, you know, like I'm Luke, I'm Bill Walton. I would have come up with a 37-year-old man's, much less cool Bill Walton in this social. You know what I mean? So you got to say it's affect their money, so they feel bad. No, dude.

All it was was I just told him the truth. That's fucked up. I blame my wife, Kate. If you really want it down, you just got to be like, hey, bro, you might be mess. up something else for me. No, that's not it. Do me a solid and maybe like not put the smoking part in there. I don't care at all about the social, but my point was I got my head all wound up and

not worried about offending Will because I love Will and because I think they're doing a great job. And they worked hard to cut it like. And I know what it's like when somebody comes on your show and is like, and you're like, can you share for me? So I want to share. I want to support Bussing with the boys. But I was like, hey, man, probably not that social, not, not my,

personal feed. But by the time he called me back and he was all wound up in a not now worried did I mess something up? And I'm on the phone. Did I mess something up? I had gotten high. So I was paranoid at this point. I was going to say, I wonder what made you paranoid about it? Yeah, it was, you know, it was 10 o'clock at night and Will called me back after two hour wait. And I thought I, I offended the boy, but I didn't offend the boy. He was worried he offended me. But you know what I mean by that? You guys both had to take a walk and figure out like, are there needs to be a solution to this that we can both see clearly on no there was no like no like where I don't feel weird like because I know what you mean I would have lied because I automatically

feel weird about everything that I do I would have lied so horribly I would put all of you guys like Chris Chris Howie and they had a unicycle accident in Green County I I have no service but I'm texting until the podcast comes out there's no way I can ever market this podcast Well, I thought about a few things. I thought about maybe just posting. What I did is I posted a post of Will looking high as fuck on the bus, because he was just, he was three sheets to win, bro. But he actually took it like a champ and posted his face.

It looked like the child actor from the Sixth Sense, by the way. He does look like the kid from the Sixth Sense. Haley Joel Osmond. And he wouldn't know his name. That's how he's comment was Haley Joel Osmond. That's what he was. you commented that in my i didn't know who the fuck that was but i was like i know it's funny docks my brother but it's so funny that how he delete it it's so funny the dirty harry

pointed that out because he does look like that and i posted something thinking you know um maybe i could act like oh whoops i didn't know what you meant i thought co-lab meant just post something i'm going through all these stupid lies and i'm like chris just shoot from the hip that's your that's your boy you and will are like content brothers now so i called will and i told him this is my public apology i just didn't want to get weed guide on my own uh timeline you know what i mean so i'm kind of going to impose after this pod because i don't like where my life is headed um i go on a show i've done all these things in my life and all of a sudden i'm the weed guy i feel the same way about charity sometimes too in a different way so you know what i mean i'm not going to

talk about weed on this show until august wow yeah and i don't know what the terms are going to be but But cannabis is not coming up on this show unless we have a guest on. Or we get a big sponsorship. No, we're not, yeah, or we get a sponsorship. Somebody wants to pay me to talk about cannabis. You can be my white night. Can you fire? Can you use?

That's going to, that's going to, that's going to be the fire under a company right now. Can you use slang? No, no slang. I can't say weed or pot. Nope, I can't even make comments alluding. Chris, what time is it? Right now it's probably 403 p. No, it's 420.

Oh, fuck, dude. It really is, huh? It really is. God damn it, that's stupid, too. And that's the type of stuff that I'm getting wrapped up in now, dude. I'm basically this fucking, I'm a weed guy, dude. And I hate it. And that's the thing.

I predicted this, too. When I said that to Dan Patrick a couple years ago, I was like, fuck, dude. I'm going to become the weed guy, even though I'm just smoking to enjoy my job. And that's, like, part of what I do. So I don't love that stigma. It's like Jeep guys. Don't tread on us. It's like, you know, it's not a person out of trade.

They leave the league and don't tread on me. It's not a personality trait. My girl just got a new Jeep this week. He said Jeep Guy, dude. He said Jeep guy, dude. He said Jeep guy, bro. Jeep guy? Yeah, he said Jeep guy, not Jeep girl. Don't tread on me, license plate coming next to me.

Yeah. So anyways, apologies to Wilcompton for not doing that. I was going to lie and then apologize to him on the show, but we worked that out. I am not going to talk about weed until August, unless we have a guest that it directly pertains to. Okay? What's the punishment? Anything? You guys want to get back to me?

Yeah, you got a $100 fine. $100 fine every weed. No, no, a half an ounce fine. No, are you fucking kidding me, dude? That's weed. No. $100. $100.

$100 every time I talk about weed on here, and it's not pertinent to the conversation when it comes to a guest. And all the fines are going to go into a pool that we're going to make a futures bet with before the NFL season. Who are we going to bet on? We've got to bet on the biggest stoner in pro sports. All right. That's really close to $100 fine right there. No, after this show.

It starts after this show. It's after this show, dude. So we'll think about that. We'll put a future on some, a futures on somebody with that. I got Howie here. Howie's got some questions he prepared. Howie has one rule.

Oh, the rule is they can't say, we're not going to answer that. You got to give me an answer. You got to explain for most of these questions. You do have to explain your answer. And it'll make more sense when you hear the questions. Kind of all over the place here, but it should be interesting. I think the way you put it earlier was you don't have to like them, but you better

fucking answer them. Oh, yeah. That was all fair. You have to answer them. All right. Well, you might not like them, but you got to fucking answer them. Okay. There we go.

All right. Name a specific time when you've been uncontrollably high in a place you shouldn't be high. and now after the new rule we're end of the pod we're good Kyle the first time that I that I was able to travel on the plane

with the Kansas City Chiefs doing away game after breaking my leg on the way home I had one too many gummies and I had and I don't know if it was the altitude that had gotten to me because we were in Denver and I went through like a full warm-up

and everything I thought I thought my head was going to explode on the plane. Like I thought I was going to be like one of those men and black scenes where the guy's head explodes. It's a little alien head in there. Yeah, that's one of the side effects. That's what I was feeling. It's an interesting idea. There's your answer.

I like it. Let's see. In a bad way? No, I mean like church or church all the time. It's just an example. Hmm. I would say probably probably when I forget. something's on my calendar and I get high.

You know, I have a Zoom call. You went big, big, or a podcast. Did I do that for a podcast? Oh, you know what it was? The Manningcast run through. The Manningcast run through. That's it, dude. So I forgot, I got, I ate a couple big edibles and was just getting ready to like

wind down for the night. It was a busy September or August evening last fall. And I had forgotten that I was supposed to be on the Manning cast dry run. Like they were using me for their pretext. preseason. And I'm thinking the way that was described, they're doing this little hokey little like, you know, quarterback corner podcast about a football game. I don't know what the fucking Manning cast is. And when I saw it on my fucking calendar, I panicked, bro. You know the dumb and dumber scene where the, he realizes that the toilet's not working and the music comes on.

That was me at the kitchen. Manning cast on my calendar. I haven't looked at a fucking calendar in a month, dude. Not a month. And for some reason, I glance at that motherfucker. I got 10 minutes, bro. I go upstairs. I splash some water on my face, the whole thing. I go back downstairs. I get a decent background so I don't look like a corpse who's got allergies.

And next thing you know, the screen pops on and it's Peyton Manning's big ass head and it's Eli's big ass head. In a well lit room. And there's producers and they're like, this is Mark in Chicago. And I'm like, holy shit, dude. The double bird? Oh, no. This is the preview.

So it's not actually going on the air, but needless Sega, two Hall of Famers depending on me, to talk through the third quarter of a Detroit Lions preseason football game. Peyton's asking me the questions that he, like, puts you on the spot to ask. And I'm, by the grace of God, I got through it, and I think I was pretty good. But I did not plan on being high that night. Okay, fair enough. Sufficient. Nate, you got anything?

Yeah, Nate. CFL. You're like Tony Reallie. So I was in the CFL and redacted. a Canadian kid, he's like, hey, do you want to try one of these gel capsules, THC capsules? So I took this capsule. Oh, this is good.

36 hours before our game. And I, sadly, sadly to say that was the last game I played in the CFL. Oh, my God. That I ever sued enough for. Damn, they blackballed you for being high? The Canadian league? No, they didn't blackballed you for cannabis.

I just played like I was like I You blackballed yourself Yeah sorry but you're out Sorry the guy's running towards the fucking Sorry get the fuck out of here It wasn't even like I played like that bad It was just that like literally I felt like I was Floating the entire game

Like the THC just wasn't out of me And it was so strong Can we get some footage of this game? We played against the tie cats It was like the- How many tackles do you make? Negative three I don't even remember

I don't even remember Makes sense. Yeah, it does. All right. Well, I think I like Nate's the best. We're not picking favorites here, but. So if you guys, Nate, you've lived a normal life. So this one's tough for you.

If you guys lived a normal life, no sports, no pro sports. What do you think you guys would be doing now? Chris, I know you played sports and now you have a podcast, but that never happened. Yeah. So like high school. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I got you. If you even went to college, then career. You'll me to lead this one off?

Yeah, lead it off, Kyle. Astronaut, Somalié. There's a really good question, right? I went and got an MRI this morning, and I had to deal, the first person to deal with when you put your, like, blue shirt on and your blue pants on is a nurse. Today, it was a male nurse. And he couldn't have been a nicer guy. Couldn't have been a nicer guy.

And there was a little old lady that was in front of me that went. and she was really nervous I could tell and he was so cool with her and to watch her be like oh thank you so much and like helpful I was like a male nurse would have been a really like I could see myself doing that how you figured it out today and how he

hit you with it today Gaylord Fawker I was immediately who I thought of I bet you would Panama Red I would be a damn good nurse Are you Panama Red or am I panama red or am I panama We're just talking about that line That's one of the best of all time

Oh me you know I'm probably not lying I would like to work for James River runners and fucking shuttle people in a school bus back and forth from where you put in on the James River he would draw a hard line on bullshit on his bus well no listen I would give the best bus tours I would tell you where we're taking out

how high the river is you want to don't jump on that rock that rock there was a driftwood a couple years ago guy got hurt bad maybe died still down there Billy Madison and I'll turn this I'll turn this bus around. That'd be you. If peeing your pants is cool, I'm Miles Davis. I think I would be running like a small budget like driver or limo service for

higher place clients that like that I would constantly nag with new ideas. I could see that. In opportunities. I could see that. Again, I think I like. Nate's good again. Answer. All right.

So now we're going to type it into this go fund me here. just going to need your social? Yes, I am the Nigerian prince. Yes, it's me. The guy you were talking to on the phone? We have to talk about the Yankees thing later. What, the Yankees thing? The minor leaguer.

We'll talk about it later. The minor leaguer? He was selling his friend stuff. I mean, his teammate stuff. We'll talk about it. We're on it. So a minor leaguer, he got caught. He was stealing his teammates stuff, but he was selling it.

But the worst part about it, he was scamming the people he was selling it to. So he was like, hey, I got this player's glove or whatever like that. And then not even giving it to them. No. So he was so, so I guess the team found out. Yankees. Yeah. He was in the Yankees.

Jake Sanford. And I was offended reading it because that's what you always fucking think I'm going to do when we get stuff here. It's like, yeah. No, but it's not like you're taking eagles gear, but like. No. But it's like if I told like, if you seen this bobble head. like you're one of your bobbleheads that you know was only here if i like imagine i just put it online for sale bro i would be hot but no no no no no but here's the worst thing about my irman trout

so think about one of your good mike ermine trout bobblehead ended up on e-bbaugh i would think about one of your fans thinking that it's it's of you and from you and then i don't even send it to them i just take their money so then they're going to hit you up and be like i bought a bobbled it's double it's double bad that guy is bad bad news there's presidents here because another yankee he's minor leagher from 2002 Ruben Rivera. He's accused of stealing Derek Jeter's glove

and selling it online. Oh my God, dude. He made the bag. How much is Derek Jeter's glove worth? Just thievery. Yikes. Again, to add to Nates being the most

interesting. So this next one, we're going to get a little wild here. Fuck kill Mary and why. We have It's merry, fuck, kill. We're all married. But also, we have resisted doing this for the better part of three years, but I guess we're here.

What was my first rule and only rule? Okay, shoot, Alex, shoot, shoot. Coach Sabin, Dion Sanders, and Celine Dion. Go. Oh, this is easy for me. Oh, my God. Okay, this is easy for me. Obviously, I'm fucking Celine Dion.

Just to stick with the times. Yeah. I'm going to marry Nick Sabin because he's brilliant. And who was the third one? killed Dion Sanders. That's rude. I didn't know I had to kill Deion. I'm going to fuck Celine Dion.

I'm going to marry Dion because I can't kill a black man. And he might let you step out so you can continue to you can't kill him. I'm beginning to think my question's flawed. No, no, here you go. Here you go. Here you go, guys. You're thinking about this

all wrong. We're going to kill somebody. You can't marry any of the gentleman mentioned because you're essentially fucking them for the rest of your life. That's the thing you're not thinking about. What? Yeah, dude. I'm in a loveless marriage with Nick Saban.

Me and Nick Saban are just like scheming up plays. That's your companion for the rest of your life. Marriage is business. Oh, you just got into ruin. You're married. There's plenty of couples who are married. Oh, okay. It's just that's your companion.

Okay. Or it's for fiscal reasons. Me and Sabin are married. How are you guys moving the bar on this? No, hey, it's fine. If we can have one of those, like, we live at a, you know, a monastery. Hey, me and Nick Saban just moved into, or me and Dion in a monastery. I'm cool.

So what's your answer? That's the M word is Dion. We live in a monastery. We're just. I live with Nick Saban in a normal home. And I'm going to kill Nick Saban, and then I'm going to, and I'm definitely. I don't even want to say it, but you know what I'm going to do also. And I only, were you going to kill?

No, you. I only picked Celine Dion because it reminded me a Dion Sanders. Oh my God, dude. That was time to prep. Okay, so stranded on an island and you can bring one sex toy. Oh, my God. Now, this is, you're not going to, my guess was you'd be wasting your time using the sex toy for what you think you'd use it for. Yeah.

Think outside the box. Well, there are sea urchins all over the place. Oh, don't put you digging that. No, the ones that. that Art has a Billy football moment. No, I would bring All right, it's a book.

It's a romantic novel, Howie. Because I'm an intellectual and I don't need a fucking Fleshylite. Nate's thinking the right way here. How are you going to survive off a romantic novel? A big, thick, romantic novel, many chapters, Howie. I'm an intellectual.

You're thinking fleshlight, I'm thinking. I'm thinking a lube receptacle because you can use it as a water bottle. Okay. Okay. See that you're thinking you're on some real bare grills shit, aren't you? That's where the question would have to drink out of my K Y jelly doll. You're a multi-tool guy. Yeah. By the way, utility.

Kyle's the multi-tool guy as of today. I would bring one of those little shocker things because I'm pretty sure you can probably like put some dry leaves and start a fire with that shit. I would do inflatable sex doll so I could raft away. All right. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Was not a trick question. That's what I was kind of thinking of. If anyone, Oh, well, in that case, I'm bringing a Lexington Steel replica Dildo, and I'm just going to ride that thing out like a banana boat. You're going to look like Dway and LeBron. I'm just going to float right through the channel and out into the Atlantic Ocean.

I'll be home in no time. Now you're using your head. All right. That's a regular Moana over there. All right. So, we're going back to this. Fuck, kill, Mary, and why? Kevin Costa.

Why does he keep saying it backwards? Kevin Koster and Waterworld. Kevin Koster and Yonster and Yon. Yellowstone and Kevin Koster in Field of Dreams. Okay. Go. This is great. Oh, man.

And note that it was very hard to leave Kevin Costa from the postman. Can I get Bull Durham? Can I get Bull Durham? Can I get Bull Durham? It wasn't in my top. I've never seen these. He did. So Yellowstone.

Yellowstone guys got to go. Movies, the show's not good. Okay. Okay, shows not good. Yellowstone, got to go. The other one was Field of Dreams. And Waterworld. I'm probably gonna marry Kevin Costner and Waterworld, right?

Yeah, because here's the deal. That guy, that guy, like, bro, he survived so much in that movie, including dehydration, like perpetual dehydration. That means you're going to fuck Field of Dreams, Kevin Costs. Well, yeah. I guess I'm just sitting in a cornfield with Kevin Costner and two ghosts. The best Kevin Costner is Tin Cup Costner. Yes. Give me another ball.

That was a, Chris, Kevin Costner and Waterworld had games. You could fuck him and it could still be kosher. Yes, Kyle. You would have to marry Yellowstone Dut. Kyle, yes. This is the smartest thing anybody's ever said on this show. Because you would get so much money. And then you could just like, uh, you could, you could fuck field of dreams, Kossner.

Get him a mustard jacket. Get him a mustard jacket. We are doing a fucking take hall of fame here. That is the first one on the wall. It is that Kevin Koster and Waterworld is the perfect answer because of the gills. Thank you. Kyle. Great question.

That take will live forever. Well, that's, you know, I created these questions to kind of get the best out of you. Well, we got. Let's keep the heading streak alive. You know what? We're, we're done with the questions. Okay, these are great. These are awesome, Howie. That was all of them? Yeah, you guys did. So you ask, like, what would you, what do you want to be when you grow up in which Kevin Costner would you fuck?

There was another one. Well, that was, seemed to be where we got the most out of. I cannot wait for you to come back. I mean, unbelievable. Can you write in questions? That's not about to say. Any time Chris puts up mailbag stuff, you just have to flood it.

Make a troll account and just flood it with great questions. I make them, but I just tell my fiancee them, and then she doesn't find him. There's a marriage flex. Yeah. Sorry, not yet. Fian, so. All right, well, shout out. Shout out to E.

Yeah, shout out. We love E. All right, cool. The future misses long. We'll be back. We'll be back very soon on. Monday. Holy shit on Monday. We have a bevy of guests. I mean, I'm having a hard time fucking picking the guests. I mean, we have so many good guests on Monday. Yeah, Tuesday show. I'm

terrible. We're plugging my show. Yonde. There's a rapper coming on. Kendrick Lamar. Yeah. Take care.