Green Light with Chris Long - Carson Schwesinger Talks Browns & Todd Monken + NFL Draft Consensus Big Board Debate

Episode Date: May 5, 2026

Carson Schwesinger joins Chris and covers all things Cleveland Browns. Carson talks highly of new Head Coach Todd Monken and the Browns defense, led by Myles Garrett. Carson had a great first season in Cleveland, being the defensive play caller and earning Defensive Rookie of the Year. He tells Chris the goals the Browns have for the season and beyond. Chris and Macon end the show with a mailbag covering perfect things that were ruined (like the NCAA Tournament), Star Wars' May the 4th, the debate around the consensus big board for the NFL draft, and Chris brings back Layup Line with the first installment being a special one from the Grateful Dead! (00:00) - Intro (00:04:15) - Carson Schwesinger Talks His Incredible Rookie Season, Myles Garrett & Cleveland Browns Outlook (00:41:00) - The Draft's Consensus Big Board (00:46:56) - Macon's Larry David Style Codebreak (00:52:55) - CJ Stroud's New Look (00:57:56) - AAU Basketball (01:05:36) - Things That Were Perfect (The NCAA Tournament) (01:28:46) - Star Wars' May the 4th (01:36:36) - Layup Line Have some interesting takes, some codebreaks or just want to talk to the Green Light Crew? We want to hear from you. Call into the Green Light Hotline presented by Zone Nicotine and give us your hottest takes, your biggest gripes and general thoughts. Day and night, this hotline is open: ‪[phone]‬ With the return of the Layup Line, make sure to check out the playlist here: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1olmCMKGMEyWwOKaT1Aah3?si=YP1-ffQ3T_yUDRnJRhDtOw Check out Green Light's ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube Channel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, where you can catch all the latest GL action: Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I personally love running, running the middle on Tampa 2. White linebacker running the pool, I think. I'm like, what's he doing out there? They're going to think they have a shot. So I like it because the quarterback's going to go throw it and get a chance to get the ball. That's why I heard it was like use the consensus board as a tool, but not like. Not gospel. It's not gospel.

What would be interesting is, is if these GMs were put into a bubble year round, you only take them out of the bubble on draft day. They can watch all the film they want, but then there's no consensus. You're picking random six rounders at three overall. I love the idea. I love the idea. Set the bubble up. Would they consent? League wide. That would be incredible. That would be great. Did you have a rookie dinner?

And how much did it cost you, if you don't mind? I did not have one. You lucky? What the, I know. I kind of. They love you. Welcome to the show. Today I have rookie sensation. now he's going to be a second year player,

but defensive rookie of the year. Carson Swessinger, he was a damn walk-on at UCLA. Just a couple years ago, expanded role his last season at UCLA, decides to come out a year early. Browns pick him. Everybody's like, oh, they don't need him.

They have Jordan Hicks, they have J.O.K. He's certainly not going to get hurt and have to retire or anything like that. It ended up being a tremendous pick by Andrew Barry, and the Browns have really drafted well over the past few years. There's a lot of reasons to be excited about the Browns, especially if you're a Browns fan, because, like, relatively speaking, it hasn't been great in a long time. And you've got a ton of young good players, and none better than this guy, in my opinion. After watching him a little bit more, I mean, you watch all the games and that sort of thing, but you're watching 11 people on defense. It's like before I watch a guy, I like to watch like a couple hours of film on him.

Just go back, refresh. He's a stud. He does everything pretty well. And I was particularly impressed with the way he plays blocks with his hands, like a damn linebacker. And yeah, he's got great instincts, smart dude. Got a real chance to play for a long time and be a great player for the Browns. Already had a great rookie year. if you are a browns fan that listens to this podcast i want you put in the comments one thing i ask this

of fan bases that we have uh maybe coming to the podcast for the first time when we have an a player getting interviewed on this pod you get to go to the biggest brown browns game ever hasn't happened yet you get to pick four former or current Cleveland browns actually former because the current ones are on the field. Four former Cleveland Browns to sit in the suite with you. And this is based on how great they were on the field or their personalities.

They got to be good hangs, I assume. Four of them. All-time Browns. Who you haven't in the suite? To watch the biggest Browns game of all time. That's coming soon, I hope. The biggest Browns game of all time. That's got a ring to it.

So I'm thinking this guy's going to be on the field. Judkins, Fanon, all these young guys, and they had another really exciting class this year. We'll see how it plays out. This is going to be a 30, 40 minute interview with Carson, and then we're going to have some fun on the back end with making a little mailbag, little bullshit. And so settle in, enjoy the interview, and we will be back in a few for a fun C block. From T-shots to game-winning goals and buzzer-beating baskets, make every moment unforgettable

with BetMGM. BetMGM gives you access to second chance promos, odds boost tokens, same game parlayes, and so much more. Check back every day for new promos and offers to take advantage of. And if you haven't signed up for BetMGM yet, use Bonus Code Greenlight, and you'll get up to a $1,500 new player offer on your first wager. BetMGM, make it legendary. This is a good one, everybody. I haven't had a Cleveland Brown on in a while. is the guy we needed on defensive rookie of the year just a stud lineback we had to play a big role

for the Browns last year Carson Swessinger how you doing brother I'm doing good thanks for having me yeah man I was just telling you offline I mean watching you play you're all over the field I mean I watched you last year but really honing in on you on film you got a lot of action a lot of action early in your rookie season I know a lot of that had to do with J O'K injury and the retirement of a couple guys and that sort of thing. But when they drafted you, did you foresee having such a big role so early? I think when I got drafted, obviously I wanted to go somewhere where I could play right away just, you know, because when you love football, I just want to be on the field as much

as I could. And I remember showing up to camp and, you know, I don't know much about, you know, what's going on in terms of J.O.K. at the time. And they have Hicks there and Devin Bush is. playing. I'm looking at these guys and I'm like, man, I better be able to get on the field on special teams. And that's, you know, during OTAs. And then we show up for training camp and Hicks retires. And they basically, from that point, just say, go out there and run the show, run the defense. And, you know, for me, that's exactly what I want to do. So I was happy with that.

But, you know, there's a time there where I was, you know, wondering how I could make my impact early on. Yeah, I mean, talk to me. Go back a minute because you came out with a year left of eligibility, which I didn't know until I just looked at it. And I remember my junior year looking at, you know, draft grades and that sort of thing and being told, hey, you know, you should come out now, but I decided to stay another year. It worked out for me. But can you take us under the hood of that process and what goes into it now? Are you able to apply for draft grades? Did you have people kind of counseling you and what went into that decision? Yeah, I think it was a pretty quick, fast upcoming because, I mean, going into that year, I didn't start the first two games and then

week three, they wanted to move some things around on defense, so they, you know, put me as the mic going in. And so first college start was week three against LSU at LSU. And, you know, kind of just built from there. And so it started just. trying to get on the field, do my job, and as you keep going, you get more comfortable and everything and started making plays. And so, you know, week six, seven comes around and these guys I'm getting reached out to now by all these agents and stuff and hearing all these things. And so it kind of picked up pretty quickly for me in that aspect. And I think playing linebacker two, for me, I was waiting for three years to really get my shot to go on the field. And once I

had it. The mindset was, all right, now, do whatever it, whatever it takes to not let them take me back off it. And I played good enough to where, you know, especially as a linebacker going in that second round area is a spot where, you know, because it's not one of those premium positions, whereas like if you were a tackle and they were saying, hey, if you go back, you could go first round. Whereas like a lot of times linebackers, that's really where you want to be. And that's, that's a great spot for a backer. And so that's what I was hearing. And, you know, after playing to really the whole goal, my whole life was get to the NFL. And so once that, once that opportunity was there and available, I think that's something I really wanted to do and go play against

the best. Yeah, you really seized it, man, and, you know, getting the call from the Browns. And, you know, I could see the excitement on your face. And you got to be even more excited a year later to be at Cleveland Brown because of the way you guys have aced drafts and like yours included. I mean, there's so many great young players on last year's draft and drafts before that. And then this year seeing this class, it's got to be really exciting. Can you speak to the excitement in the building? I know a lot of people customarily, if you've been a Browns fan for a long time, it wasn't like Sunshine and Roses every year.

But now it kind of feels like the outlook has changed. Can you feel that being in the building? Yeah, you can definitely feel it. I think, especially with last class too, I think the young guys we brought in and the group we have is a great group. And then I think the whole goal this year was to build on that and keep getting those pieces on both sides of the ball. And I think the same thing. Last year, our draft class came in and, you know, we had a lot of, whether it was the drafted guys, undrafted guys, a lot of guys playing meaningful snaps. on all phases of the field. And I think that's the same thing that we expect with this new class coming in, and we're all excited to be able to get to work with them. The first game of the season,

you're playing a lot of reps. I mean, you're starting that game against the Bengals, right? And I noticed right off the bat, like, you know, playing in Schwartzey's scheme, and obviously Jim's not there this year, but going backwards here, a lot of double mug looks, a lot of being up on the line line of scrimmage. And I found myself really impressed by the way you play blocks, which is obvious

to anybody evaluating you in college and whatnot. But was there a big transition? Did you do much of that in college? Like the being on the line of scrimmage stuff. And, you know, I know on third down, you're running games and that sort of thing, but the first and second down run fits, like having a 330-pound guy in your lap immediately upon the snap of the ball. Yeah. I think going into that week, that really wasn't what we were expecting either. A lot of times when you're in those mug looks, you don't want them to be running the ball, especially when they're bringing the tight ends back across

and gaps are switching and everything like that. I mean, so you could see later in the game we were able to get out of it, you know, if we don't like what they're in and stuff. But I think a lot of that with our linebacker coach, Tarver, since I showed up, that was one of the big emphasis going into the rookie year

was being able to get off. blocks and get to the ball and I think a lot of it too just comes with reps I mean even even watching that bangles game to you know week 15 against whoever we were playing that week I think the the being able to get off blocks changes and and got a lot better throughout the year but yeah that first week was definitely a nice little nice welcome to to to the NFL having to deal with that you know in the mug looks when we were more expecting pass yeah yeah I was going to say man y'all were in those a lot on early Yeah. Was there ever a welcome to the NFL moment with like you ran up on a guy that you were like,

damn, that guy's pretty strong. These people are strong up here. I don't remember one specifically. And I mean, it might just be because I've played football so long. I've gotten beat so many times at every single level, you know, that there's always something that you could be getting better at. I think a lot of the welcome to the NFL stuff comes to just from seeing how everything runs. and you know one second you're hanging out with the dude and and the next day he's you know

playing on team eight hours away so but they're definitely we're plays throughout the year we're definitely some learning moments though is it is i mean you end up in some piles there in the a gap's and that sort of thing dude you know people always ask people like what's it like at the bottom of an NFL pile what's your experience been so far is you know the people make these stories about eye gouging and, you know, grabbing and shit. But I, I felt like that stuff was overblown. But you're a backer. You end up in a lot of piles. Like, what was it like? I'm with, I think it's probably overblown, too. None of that seemed to happen to me. A lot of time you're just, especially when you're on the bottom, you're just like, now, now I'm just sitting

there waiting for a bunch of guys to get off. So sometimes you take it as rest time, depending on how much weight on top of you. You know, definitely with the, with the push and stuff they got now, sometimes those ones those ones get pretty heavy and you're just you're just hoping nobody you know falls on you the wrong way or anything like that yeah how many times do you have to play the push because i remember the one not to bring up a bad memory but you had the um the ravens did the slickest shit ever and ran the tight end sweep out of a push push look how much did you get the touch push and is there any way to stop it if you were a coordinator what would you do i mean you get you get it a lot and teams are going to do it if they don't want to hurt their quarterback they'll make sure they

get a tight end in there who can do it and things like that. And I get, I mean, it's a play that's got to be run. But I mean, if the offense is allowed to push guys in the back, maybe the defense should be allowed to do that as well, but, but they're not. So usually if it was just QB sneak, it's not as, not as hard to stop and, you know, levels of playing field a bit. But when you're, when you're, when you're able to take two guys and, and, you know, have, have, have, have them all going, going down. But a lot of times, you just got to, got to hope to get under it and and stop the feet of the line quickly. But even with the quarterbacks they got now or the tight ends,

it can really hit wherever. So really the best way to stop it is don't let him get to, don't let him get the third and one or fourth one. Exactly. Be more aggressive on early downs. One of the most fun things to see you do early was like, Schwartz, he's going to have you in these pressure packages, and he's going to have you in the B gap,

and he's going to have you shoot, you're going to be the penetrator for miles, and you're going to be big looper and that sort of thing. like I saw you had some sacks on that type of thing, some QB hits. How much of that did you, because you were like, you worked the other way. You worked from, you know, secondary to backer as a youth player, right? Yeah. How much of this has been a learning process, like being a rusher on third down,

fitting into those gaps, ricocheting, you know, the intricacies of adding to the rush on third down? I think some of it probably depended on what I was doing. you know, the looping and wrapping and things like that may become a little bit more natural because you're just kind of finding your way through the, through the luggage, which is a lot more of the backer feel. And then, you know, some of the stuff where it's, you know, I got to be rushing the B gap no matter what. So just trying to figure out a way to make it, you know, meaningful if you're on the line, you know, you don't get a whole lot of reps of it.

So some of that stuff is stuff to work on. But I love, I love being able to, oh, my. fit off everything in front and have the feel that way. And, you know, anytime we were using the pigs or things like that to get open, I think you also have good feeling those. So some of it was definitely an adjustment, you know, not a whole lot of lining up on the line from youth to college. But it was definitely, there were definitely, you know,

calls you have in the week where you're hoping you're hoping they call this one because, you know, it's one that you feel pretty good about. When you're out there, because you're pretty cerebral and you see things, do you call shit out or do you pick your spots calling stuff out? Because, like, I would think there's this, like, thin line between being too early and forcing a reset and tipping your hand that you see what's going on, or, like, playing chicken with the snap and trying to get a check to the people that need to hear it. like when you see something, is it automatic that you, you yell it out?

Or is there more nuance to that communication? I think some of it depends because like you said, if you know where the play is going, you don't want to want them to be able to check out of it. So whether it's, you know, you're getting somewhere really only you need the end to really know what's going on. So he can fire off, get upfield and beat the crack. And, you know, everyone else is going to have to react anyway.

And then, you know, you definitely have other things. things too, though, where they get into empty and stuff, you want to get the whole defense out of what we're in and things like that. And then that's where you start to play the game where once we check and empty, then they'll check. And hopefully you just, you end up with 11 guys on the same page. That's the great side of defenses at the end of the day. If you got 11 guys doing the same call, you'll live to fight another day. But there's definitely a game in there. I think that's one of the goals going into this next year is being able to see more stuff pre-snees. snap and, you know, anticipate a little bit more with where things are going.

I think throughout the year to, and just with reps, you start to almost feel it better. But being able to see it almost, you know, earlier than one second before the snap, so you have a chance to be able to get some information to other guys. I would think the amount of motion in the NFL is kind of crazy pre-snap. I mean, I don't know how you compared to college. I don't watch as much college anymore, but it's kind of, The game has just evolved in so many ways. And, you know, I figure one of them is, like, trying to ID what is window dressing

and what is good intel. And, like, I wonder if you could educate fans on what might be without giving game away. Some tells that help you ID the difference between, hey, this is bullshit or this is going to lead me to the ball. I think a lot of times, too, it depends on the team you're playing. You know, one team may just want to use it as window dressing. and they really just want to, you know, go run inside zone. Some teams will use it to hide certain formations, you know,

because it can be easy. You know, they come out in a certain look. You know what's coming, but they come out with three receivers there instead of the two, motion one away. Now you're not as focused on what their, you know, final look is. And so they can use it to hide certain things and certain splits and things like that. And I think with a lot of the motion, too, a lot of it just comes down to eyes.

And a lot of the window dressing is just used to try and get your eyes away from really what your key is. And if they can do that, they get you out of your spot. So really the goal on defense is if you're in a man call, you keep your eyes on what you need to, on your man. And then the zones being able to bump and know where you're supposed to be with all these motions. and I think really even going week by week, the motions and how we play them would change by team because all these teams want to use them differently. Who do you think had the most halacious kind of window dressing

that was really effective that you played? I think the Niners used a lot of it. I think we actually played it pretty well that week going against them with what we did. trying to think of other teams. I know the Niners are pretty popular for it. I think the Packers do a good job, too. Yeah.

But you guys played them well. They had a lot of it that week. And they're one of the, like, they don't do their motions the same way the Niners are going to do them. They're using different ways, not as much too back from the Packers and things like that. But that was another one. You talk about like, pre-snap and trying to dick with people a little bit. Like I, this, you know, emergence of 13 personnel is a trend in the NFL.

Like, it's on the scene right now for you as a rookie, second year player now coming out. It wasn't always like that. And I know it's probably not like that in college where you get that many tight ends in the core or, you know, split out, try to manipulate, you know, personnel for defenses and that sort of thing. Like, did you notice the influx of, like, big bodies on the field? and teams that use those 13 personnel looks like, how does that complicate things for you? Yeah, I definitely, I mean, it changes, obviously,

the personnel you're going to be in, a lot of it. They want to, a lot of the 13 personnel, too, with how athletic the tight ends are getting. They want to get you into your bigger defensive personnel and then spread you out and really have those, a lot of the tight ends split out. But then, you know, they can stay in the same thing the next play and come back with a two tight end,

two running back set, and run power or something like that. And so you see it a lot. And even, I mean, Pittsburgh last year, they had, I think, maybe 13 or 14 different types of 13 personnel as it seemed like, because they had one with, you know, one linemen in there. And then this tight end and a different tight end, they had all different combos of it.

And, I mean, I remember playing. I forget who it was. We played one team, and their 13 personnel, you think they're going to go run. And they were almost 90% pass out of it. And so each team's used. using it different, but it definitely gives them an advantage in the aspect. They want to, you know, get you into your bigger groups and try and spread you out.

Yeah, it was like Pittsburgh played the hell out of that extra tackle thing. And then the Rams would be one team that they kind of made you, they got in it to throw. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, to your point, everybody's different. One year was Schwartzzie. Schwartzie was great. We were joking about. I was saying the meetings go a while in Schwartzies meetings, because if you're a D-Ly,

lineman in Schwartzie's scheme, it's rush, crush, closed, dude. You've probably heard that a million times in a year of football, but for y'all, there's probably more complications. Like, what did Schwartzies scheme kind of empower you to do? And, like, how did your versatility help you latch on so early? I think one of the great things with Schwarzie was a lot of it was still simple. And that was his whole mindset is try and keep it as simple as possible because he wants everybody knowing their job and playing it fast and being physical. And I think knowing that coming in was one of the great things because, you know, if you're, if when you keep it, he didn't want to, even the closed front call, he said,

say it twice and that's it. We don't need to be yelling it 15 times to get people into it or all this stuff. Just just get the communication out and get on the same page and get ready to play. And for a rookie coming in who's having to make the calls, I think that definitely simplified it a lot for me, and especially when you play behind that attack front, too. You just, you know, you're playing fast and at the end of the day, just clean up whatever they're doing, because a lot of times they're causing some sort of havoc in the backfield. I always wanted to ask this, but I haven't had enough fast linebackers on the show. You know, even off ball a little bit, like I'm not saying

mugged up and then end up in middle of field, but like, you get those Tampa 2 calls because you guys ran some of that. Like, is it nerve-wracking at the NFL level? And, like, what's your nightmare in Tampa 2 scenario? I personally love running the middle on Tampa 2. You know, white linebacker running the pool. I'm like, what's he doing out there?

They're going to think they have a shot. I like it because the quarterback's going to go throw it and get a chance to get the ball. I did it a lot in college with that. So they haven't really thrown one yet when I've been going down the middle. I'm hoping for one soon, maybe. maybe this year, but I definitely had a couple.

I mean, you're playing the Bengals and you're looking over there and, you know, you got, take your pick of receiver running down the middle. So, you know, you just, sometimes you got to know who's there to get out maybe a little bit earlier than you're used to, but I'm hoping for, you know, one to get thrown soon. Well, dude, you looked cool doing it. I was like, man, this guy looks like he knows what he's doing it back there. I mean, obviously with your defensive. background and everything you probably feel comfortable out there but it's a long way to go man and you

know i just was impressed by that and then now you've got a new uh defensive coordinator in mike rutenberg um kind of comes from the sala and all brick tree what are the what are the new things that you're going to do that you're excited about without giving it all away i think one of the one of the great things is a lot of it a lot of it stays the same in terms of i mean this team is built to go out there and have an attack for running and play tight man coverage on you. And I think that's one of the great things. And it's just throwing his own stuff in from those systems, whether it's a little bit more of the split safety stuff that's getting bigger right now in the NFL and just things

like that. And a little bit more of trying to make a lot of the stuff look the same, which is a little bit different philosophy from from Schwartz in terms of he he doesn't care where you line up uh as long as as you're going to be able to get your job done uh he'd rather you line up wherever you know that's going to be easiest um and i think it definitely um can help uh with us and just being able to disguise stuff but uh i think a lot of it's going to be the same so i'm i'm personally just excited to have another year in a similar system and not have to to go through the the process of learning a whole lot of stuff again

Yeah. It happened to me as a rookie where, you know, they call you and they say, hey, you're going to be a ram or you're going to be a brown and they're all excited and you're like, these are my guys. Like they believe in me the whole thing. And a year later, the head coach gets fired. And, you know, it's a whole new regime. And, you know, that's just jarring as a young player. And I know for you, there's a lot of successes and positives going on in your building. So maybe that balances it out. But how tough is it to see a whole, you know, kind of, um, group move on and balance that out with the excitement of coach munking coming in and the fresh perspective that he has and the energy that he brings yeah one of the best parts for especially on the defense's side is i feel like i get the best of both worlds i still have the same position coach who's the guy you're with most of the day and every single position coach we had last year is still in the same spot this year so a lot of continuity in that aspect and um but um having coach mokken come in the energy he's been bringing. Just to the team, to the meetings, to practice,

and everything like that is exciting. And I'm just looking forward to, I mean, we go from having that voluntary mini camp because we have the new coach. So you go from real practice, and now we're back to phase two. Can't against anybody. Just walk through stuff.

So I'm itching to get back to the OTAs where we get to do some football again. You got to see Monkin scheme, twice last year and I know probably well maybe it's a two-part question but I'll start with this part everybody is asking you leading up to the season like what's it going to be like playing lamar jackson what's it going to be like playing lamar jackson hey are you going to be able to tackle lamar jackson um and you get them the what the second game of the season and you know like the night before you play lamar jackson be honest are you is there butterflies and then does that

kind of clear up when you get a sense of his field speed because you did run him down a couple times and you know you got he's like Superman but he's still a human being you know and like you you can't be like hey I'm playing Superman but he's kind of like Superman a little bit yeah I think for me um a lot of that stuff has just never never been on on my radar a lot of the time especially once you get on the field it's it's just the football I've been playing since I was eight yeah And so even thinking about it throughout the week, to me, it's just normal game plan. Every team's got players that are their best players, and you're going to have to go against them. And so really the only one that really sticks out is you grew up watching Aaron Rogers.

And I think there was a point either after the game where you're like, man, I just played against a guy I watched growing up. Twice my age, too. that you sit there and think about as opposed to these guys and I think especially too when you're preparing throughout the week you figure out especially Lamar's great player

and you see the difference I mean his weapon is his stop start so a lot of it just comes down to your tracking angle because of how quickly he can stop and start on a dime and everything like that and so just having those things going into the week that you want to be sure of for the game guys got a fucking

rocket launcher on his shoulder to the second game he like he'll drop to like 15 yards like there's really no pocket and then like he reverse field and then from the logo

he hit the pylon dude I was like I just feel like seeing that stuff on field level when you get in the NFL like no matter how much you're like yeah these guys are all just it's football like there are moments where you're like damn these guys are fucking good

yeah no there's definitely times where you just you know tip your cap and say, all up top, you know. Yeah. Yeah. They get paid too. They get paid a lot too. Yeah, no.

What makes Munkin's scheme tough, man? Like, what are you excited about seeing your group do more of with him? He's, especially in the run game and even in the past game, he's able to do it all. And I think especially, I mean, he tailors it to those guys he's got, you know, what's going to put them in the best positions. to have success. And so even just going against it in OTAs where they're, you know, it's the first install. So, you know, you don't have a lot in, but even, even from what, from what I saw on the defensive side of the ball, that's the most I've seen an offense run in the first install

since I've been playing, you know, on the first install or two. So I think just, you know, the ability to do what, um, whatever he wants to do and, and get the guys that he wants in positions to make plays is pretty special. Yeah, I definitely look forward to seeing him calling the plays, man, for you guys. You guys have got a lot of young talent and all that. But like the group that I could not wait to ask you about was the defensive line. Obviously, you alluded to it. The team's built to play man coverage and get after the passer.

And, you know, Miles Garrett for you to see, first off, just to see Miles Garrett in his prime every day. Like, there's not a lot of people that get to see a caliber of. player like that and then to see him pursue that sack record at the end of the year i guess my my big question would be were you ever shocked at like how much the you know the best football teams on the planet had to plan around miles garrett and just like the crazy shit that they would do to keep him out of i mean rogers in the second game i think it's time to throw his 2.1 seconds yeah it's got to blow you way as a rookie to be like, man, this guy, basically their whole meetings, Miles Garrett. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you go into the year and people say it and, you know, you're like,

okay, whatever, you know, that's whatever. And then, you know, you see him practice one time. You're like, okay, it makes sense exactly why. That's how you all. When they go against him and playing with him is great as well. There's, you know, there's a lot of times you don't even have to worry about one side of the field. Teams won't even go empty because, you know, you're not going to leave him on an island ever. even just seeing him go against guys in the joint practices where these guys will want to take their shot one-on-one with him and it's almost like he just went to the quarterback untouched. So watching him is pretty special, and then being able to watch the sack record this year was pretty cool too. And I think even that whole front just gets after the quarterback so fast.

I remember watching the Green Bay film and the quarterback didn't even have to time. to get a quick game pass out because both inside Malik and Mason won right away. Oh yeah, Malik Collins is his tape last year and over the last couple years honestly is as good as anybody's and people just don't talk about him. I think he's incredible. Yeah, I think what he was able to do last year

before getting injured, him, Mason, A. Wright, Isaiah, all those, I mean, it didn't matter who was out there. It's almost like pick your first. poison you don't want to leave any of them one-on-one um then that you know that's one of the joys of playing behind that too you know the ball's going to come out fast so just get ready to break yeah and probably for you like one of the quickest ways i mean your your play has definitely made you more popular and as a rookie like immediately but one of the ways you get us guys in the d-line room to love you as a backer is to get downhill and get these fucking double teams off these three techniques

dude how good does it feel when they thank you for doing that that's like a double-reiberment definitely like a big moment when you're when your interior delatement are like dude i'm glad you're back there yeah yeah i mean haven't haven't but having those guys too i mean they're doing the same thing they're moving so fast the double can't even get onto them half the time away uh with some of the guys we have there and so it kind of it goes both ways i think my first my no my second interception was because one of them went went ahead and tipped the ball and popped it in the air so yeah uh the whole lot of defense is just all these guys working together on the same level yeah that's awesome um talking about like future success and all that stuff

like you got a taste of it you guys got to win some games like you guys are building something and you know the green bay game for for instance which was just an awesome defensive performance on the road dude what was that in cleveland was that in cleveland i was that in cleveland i was in cleveland i was in cleveland and then because you oh you guys were wearing the browns the all browns do you like the all browns i like them i don't i don't i don't I've never been too much into style anyway. Damn, true. Yeah, you got number 49, dude.

You made it look good, but 49, bro. Yeah, I mean, that's what I showed up at UCLA, and, you know, that was the number they gave me. Yeah. I don't really get a choice when you're a walk-on. And I said, I guess it didn't be good enough for those four years. So might as well keep it wrong. Hell yeah, dude, it looks good.

It's yours. But, like, you win these games, you get a taste of it. You go to London. You almost beat, you know, right down to the, the wire and you had some other leads too where you just couldn't finish things like what do you think goes into learning how to win as a team as a young team like taking it from this year to next year and finishing some of these games that you played so well in and also just the confidence to say hey we can we can win any game we play in i think that's part of it is just especially those close games

you see how many we had last year and it's you know it it sucks when you lose those ones and you come out of it and you see how close you were, but you also see, you know, with the small things that change the end of the game. And really, the goal is to be able to take it and learn from it and take it in its next year. So now when we get put in those same situations, we're able to, you know, execute what we were supposed to do and, you know, not let let the pressure, whatever moment or anything like that get too much to where we start changing what we're doing. And I think having so many close games like that has definitely, definitely, definitely. definitely will help us going into this year. And, you know, also, when you lose those ones,

it hurts even worse. So, you know, just knowing what that feeling is and knowing you don't want it to have that feeling again, I think, is also something that will drive us. Hey, man, dude. You got two minutes here, so we'll do a two-minute drill. I got some quick hitters for you. Did you have a rookie dinner? And how much did it cost you, if you don't mind? I did not have one. You lucky? What the? I know. I kind of...

They love you. I don't know if we... That's crazy. They, it just never really got planned and I wasn't going to say anything. And then when they started doing something, we were all like, well, nobody's, nobody's even here anymore. Everybody's gone. Damn. The league has changed.

That's great. I wouldn't bring it up either. I just be like, yeah, I never heard of it. I don't know what it is. Playing in London. and you loved it or what was playing internationally? I thought that stadium was really cool. That was cool stadiums I've been in.

It is cool. I didn't really go anywhere in London, which I probably should have, at least one of the days when saw stuff, I think I was in the hotel the whole time. But I think if I went back, I'd probably go somewhere, but I thought the stadium was one of the coolest ones I played in.

And the fans there. I mean, they cheer a lot for the kicking too. They do. It's like, Dude, it's insane. You'll hear cheers, and you're like, what just happened? That's not a time I'm used to hearing applause, but they love everything. And it's like Halloween.

Like, you look out in the stands and everybody's got different fucking jersey on, dude. None of the, both those teams, or they got teams that aren't even playing. Yeah, it's great. The best of the thing is getting worn. That's sick. Is there such thing as a rookie wall physically? Maybe. I don't know.

I mean, there's, but I feel like, I feel like every week it was like, all right, we got to keep going. The rookie wall is almost there the second you start training for the draft. You're just going through it for a whole year after that. Yes, yes. And the last thing is this. Your Twitter bio reads, Oaks Christian Athlete 4.6 GPA.

I don't even know that they went that high, dude. You're talking to a 2O cat right here. I'm not a green type guy, dude. Then you go, first team. All League DB 6-3-2-15. Are we just going to leave that there in a time capsule? I can't remember the last time I even checked that. I'll be honest with you.

You're so smart. Stay off it. Might as well just keep it there. Yeah, dude. He might have been a little generous at the time. Same with the 2-15. 4-6. That might have been on the lower side.

That's like a 40-time. What do GPAs go up to now? Is this like a new fucking scale? my producers are like no oh they go up to five now do they go up to five it's they got i don't even know what they go up to i know in college it stays at four uh but with all these like college classes and extra classes you could take in high school they give you extra points for them you're not taking like basket weaving or something like you were like a legit your major i read your majors like bio what bioengineering yeah yeah you this is like a legit four six that's crazy okay

that's a good one to end all we get your gpia in here and plug your Twitter bio, dude. So follow him on Twitter. Again, it's Carson Swessinger. Dude, thanks so much for joining. A lot of fun watching your play and wishing your best luck this year. Yeah, thanks for having me. It was great. Of course, dude. Y'all know I've been on the Create Gummies, and you know the positives. I've talked about this. It really helped with recovery, strength, cognition, staying active as I get older. And now, creatine has a new addition. creatine electrolytes. You take them together, gummies of the foundation, habits, you build the product,

you trust, create. It's the thing I take every day. And so now you can stack the gummies with the electrolytes. Together, the two products puts you about 8 to 10 grams of creatine in day, which is, again, like the magic number for cognition and that sort of thing. If you're only taking three to five grams, you're kind of leaving some of the benefits on or off the table, however you want to, however you want to put it. But, you know, consistent higher daily dosage has helped me a lot. And you add the electrolytes to the equation. I think hydration is enormous. So like the way I feel late in the day is going to be dependent upon how hydrated I am.

If I got my exercise in, if I've taken my creatine gummies, if I'm sleeping, all that stuff. But on a day where maybe I don't have all those things lined up, creatine and create specifically really does help me kind of get through that occasional tough day. and the research on creatine and sleep deprivation is one of the most interesting things that honestly I've read this year on the topic. So make sure you treat your body right with create gummies and electrolytes. The locals landline quest of the week presented by zone. Warning, this product contains nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive chemical underage sales prohibited. Y'all know I'm a bit more selective with my nicotine pouches these days.

So for me, the quality of the pouch is what I prioritize, which is why I'll pop in. a zone wintergreen. One six milligram is all I need. Every few days, whether I'm kicking back and watching ball floating the river with the crew or breaking down film ahead of a show, zone easily gets me locked in with its smooth feel and a variety of flavor. Zone is always on our game day roster. Whether you like a fresh mint flavor or you're into citrus flavor, check out their roster of options and use promo code GL20 at nicokeek.com slash zone for 20% off at checkout. What was your favorite part of that interview?

Mid, no, that's a trick, no interview. No, there was an interview, dude. No? Yeah, there is. No? Yeah. I don't think there was an interview. There was a fucking interview.

If there was an interview and I invite everyone to restart the pod, listen back, get right here to this point once more. Are we running an interview today, Reed? I thought that was a plan. Yeah, I thought so too. Which interview? Did we decide to run? I think it's Carson Swissinger. Okay, yeah, it's sick.

Metal was fire. Yeah, for sure. That guy's a beast. Yeah, definitely had an interview. Loved it. Loved Carson Swessinger. You watched this guy play a little bit? UCLA, good player.

Great player. Yeah. Got a chance to be a great player. He was part of my consensus big board. Was he? You know what I'm saying. That's a real trending topic right now. What do you think about that?

I would say, historically, when I do, a pff.com mock draft and I see who's available at say 140 and I just scroll for like a second and a half and make my favorite pick usually a pretty good pick for 140. What some of these teams are doing is scrolling like all the way down to the bottom of the list and saying, uh, why not? Yeah. The best way I heard it put was like use the consensus board as a tool. but not like, you know. It's not gospel. It's not gospel.

But it's really pretty useful. Yes. What would be interesting is, is if these GMs were put into a bubble year round, you only take them out of the bubble on draft day. They can watch all the film they want, but then there's no consensus. You're picking random six rounders at three overall.

I love the idea. I love the idea. Set the bubble up. Would they consent? League wide. That would be incredible. That would be great. Even just one year.

it would be incredible it would because you know every year we go back and we're like revisiting draft classes and shit like immediately I guess my point is I have a pep peeve about the way we break down the draft in the immediate aftermath it's just a way for more content like we don't know anything else right we knew a week earlier right and then you're going to put a grade on it on a class which inevitably is not going to be a hundred percent hit rate the way you grade classes because you're grading off the consensus board the new hotness is to grade the draft from three years prior yes that's what we should be doing that's fun for now like no it's interesting to bring this up i was i wanted to run this working theory by you uh by you guys

that i was thinking about maybe the way we should grade draft classes is wait three years as mason said and then maybe there's some kind of like per year average of the second contracts the guys signed in a class to kind of dictate. I think that's a brilliant way to do it. Whether there was a hit, whether, you know what I mean, and then where they landed in the positional market when they signed their second deal.

But to your point, Chris, you can't, you can't grade it right away. You guys both just hit it out of the park here. Put the jams in the bubble. And Nolan, I think what you said is perfect because the second contract tells you everything you need to know about what you got out of the player on his rookie deal.

And I wonder, though, about like guys like, say, he's the first guy off my mind but like Akeem Hicks who became like a perennial stud but his his ascension was slower right

like slower starter does that team get the credit for drafting Akeem Hicks or the negative like in the five year redraft or the seven or ten year redraft these are pointless questions no I think I think not

they just didn't they couldn't develop him. Exactly. But that's not the GM's problem. Yeah. This is, gets credit. And making a way in here,

this is a Dave Gettleman question. Drafted Daniel Jones, drafted, Dexter Lawrence, drafted, he was saying, yeah, dude.

Like, does he get the credit for those picks that he hit on those or, you know, wherever they ended up, do they get the credit? Yeah, there does need to be some nuance

because those are, by and large, good draft picks, just not in the, context of roster construction. We have our own James Gladstone here in the studio, and that's C. Long, drafting Romeo Dobbs in the fifth round of a fantasy draft three years ago. Dude, I did not understand how to do fantasy, and I just really like the player.

We like the player. And as you can see, judging by what fucking New England is going to pay him. Yeah. You get credit for that one. I get credit for that thing. You didn't get credit that year so much. No, people laughed at me, they pointed, they laughed. You didn't even know how to say Dobbs at that point?

What did I say? Doobes. Dobs. Romeo Doobie. I love that guy, though. Fucking got a huge helmet. Who could have seen that coming? Nobody.

Just me. Guys, incredible. And you had, last year you took CMC. You picked high on his right. Well, that was the computer. We let the analytics department do that one. I would never we would never draft

a white running back that early certainly not in a fantasy draft I need to tell you it's got a pretty good hit rate because considering he's the only fucking one right and he gets a million targets

that's why I call him the coal miner they work him like a dog there in San Francisco you're going to get yours it's just the question is when do the wheels fall off we can keep talking big boards I would invite you to keep talking big boards but I need to tell you about a situation I had.

Okay, tell me. And what it reminded me was, of course, curb your enthusiasm, I go to the same place for lunch Monday through Thursday of every week. And it's called pico wrap. It's very, it's very above that.

Something different. Zazzoos, yes, it's above average, Tex-Max, reliable, walk in. Quickly, do you, same order? Yes. Four out of... Wow, good for you. On Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.

Yeah. I walk in. they say the same and then I say yes. It's a three-word interaction. Pico Rap as an NFL player. Terrific, okay. Jacoby Myers? No, Jacoby's too good lately. Oh gosh.

Well, it sounds like... Jacobi's not going to make a Pro Bowl, but Jacoby swung that whole fucking offense last year and having a reliable bowl. Well, reliable is the key. I would say... I would say it's a starter who doesn't make, certainly doesn't make all pro, not a pro bowler, but you know what you're going to get.

Okay. Day and day out. I'm derailing your story. Rakeem Nunez Roche. Did I just say that because of his name? No. Is that offensive? No, no, no, no.

Okay. No. All right. All right. So here's the story. No. I like to roll in. I think he's Dominican.

I like to roll in approximately 10.45 a.m. Now, this is for a lunch, but it's for the first meal of my day. That's a different topic that we can get into another time, or this time, if you like. Approximately 1045. Go ahead, Belizeian. So there we go. Now, on this day in question, I roll in about noon. And that's danger zone because it gets popular.

It's a lunch spot. I see roughly 16 people in line when I pull up. And so that's just a no. It takes too long. God love them over there. They put a lot of care into their work. So I open the door, see that the line is stretched around, but at the front of the line, I see my best friend Rick Carly.

No, you can't do that. And so Rick and I often see each, each other there for lunch. You just docks Rick's pico rap place. Rick would love it. The guys wearing Pacers gear all around town. You think he doesn't want people to know? At the mall.

It's a Rick Carlisle impersonator. What I'm going to do is give Rick a wave and then I'm out of there because I don't have time for waiting for 16 people to get their Torezo bowls, okay? But then Rick goes no he gives me the wave over come on and then points down right next to him like bypass all these people come right up here so bad bud in line get what you want but all these people it's all

about you and i am mortified oh yeah like i give them i started to give them like the the throat slash that'd be a 15 yarder yeah like i just i can't there's no way but he keeps insisting come up to the front of the line like he is ordering he is right there and then so i like sheepishly try to like i'm like i'm not even walking i'm sliding around all these people up to the front of the line and i kind of want to give them like a back tap and thanks man i now i'm just i can't i didn't even mean to come i don't know why i'm here i didn't even mean to do it and then he's like what do you want tell what you want and they say the same and i say yes that's terrible it was awful It's awful.

That type of thing. We had to act like then it was a planned lunch. Sure, you had to sit together and everything. We had to sit together. Did you tell him how mortified you were? Yeah, I can tell him anything. Yeah, you guys are like that. I popped for his lunch because he saved me 40 minutes.

Yeah. But it, sincerely, I wanted to throw up. I merely couldn't eat the bowl because I wanted to throw up. Here's what I would do. Coach, I'm not eating. I was just in here looking for. something. And for those of you at home, picture Chipotle, all right?

There's a, but like real. But real. There's a bar where you order your food. Yeah. Oh, I was just coming to use the facilities maybe, but I can't lie to my guy here. Yeah. Yeah, no, it's tough. It was a disaster.

That's a bad deal. I think if that were a curb episode, Larry would probably be. he would probably be me but he wouldn't care i think he would care and then somebody in line would see him later in another scene and be like what the fuck was that probably oh god and then he was waving me he wouldn't care and then later yeah that guy was waving me you can't say no to a wave yeah it was a wave and a point yeah can't say no to a wave and then a point that's pretty bad dude i tried to give this the throat slash yeah he wouldn't accept the slash that's insane if i had turned around left I would have had to text him like hey sorry lots of integrity more than you apparently can't but

16 people dude I saw fucking rick carlowe at the 7-11 one night I was so stoned my buddy was like waiting for me in the car and I took forever because I was talking to rick carlowe and he thought I was just talking to him at the register but I was behind him in line he looked at me like why are you here like well to buy a tent to dip zone um um um Yeah, no, Rick, Rick's the man. Love a Rick citing. Before the mailbag guys, I want to point something out. And it's NFL news, but it's not being framed as such.

As you know, if you listen to this show, I have a theory that I think holds up relatively well across the board. When somebody has a major facial hair change, or they cut a lot of hair off, or they change their haircut in like a major way, it means they're under our hair. a lot of stress and it means that something is going to change they're going through a lot of changes in their life and if i'm a cj stroud fan the last thing i want is for him to return with the same facial hair and haircut after that playoff game it's like dude you got to do something different this is a good sign i'm not saying i didn't like his haircut i thought it was sick but he you know this tells me that C.J. Stroud is going to have a big year.

Nothing on tape last year tells me that C.J. Stroud is going to have a big year. But him engaging in a major follicular adjustment tells me that something is going on deep inside this dude and he's going to have a big year. Or he's going to try hard to have a big year. That doesn't even look like C.J. Stroud, let alone a football. I would, I would wager that's a baseball player. I'm worried that's not C.J. Stroud. I mean, I can see it.

But golly, do I love the Soundgarden shirt? Yeah. What are the odds that C.J. Stroud likes Soundgarden or knows who Soundgarden is, or that's just like a sick t-shirt? I think the fact that he cut it off means that he does. I don't think so. There's no way, dude. That's the first album I ever got. Chris Cornell.

How about his IG caption? Change is inevitable. Growth is intentional. That's, and that's... For me, not you. then he posted it on on social media but he's saying it's for me not you okay got it yeah okay that's a quote for him yeah yeah that ends the caption for me not you but then i don't it doesn't that apply to pretty much every social media post yeah i mean not everyone but

for me and also all of you now yeah like when people write letters to themselves and shit like players tribune a letter to myself right dude okay I can write it to yourself. Permission to ask a question you will likely cut from the podcast. Sure. What are the majority of NFL players doing downstairs groom wise? Is it the Wild West? Is it, is it, oh, I'm sorry.

When else am I going to get to ask this question? of an 11 year vet does it differ by position group? Just because a journalist. You can go to the locker where you want. There's different vegetation zones. I'll put it that way.

You know, it's, I don't look close enough, honestly. I'm not trying to be like I've never seen a dick, but I'm just telling you that's usually not something I'm like, is he using a two guard? Right. Because that'll get you in trouble. Right.

You know what I'm saying? I do. I do get what you're saying. It sounds like the answer is... No pun intended. I might cut this from the podcast. I might trim this from the podcast. There you go.

Okay. Ask and answered. Thank you. But great question. If you could leave it in but just leave all of it? position group that I if there's one position group I imagine that probably just has got like a conifer forest going on 24-7 down there it's the O line yes okay clearly that's what I would imagine right it's what I'm picturing I don't know man that was our manscape landline question yeah yeah but I think

CJ Stroud might have something big coming up this year. And this, like, it's delicate because I don't want to sound like I'm like, yeah, cut the dreads. No, I love the dreads. I was hoping he won a Super Bowl with with, with, with, with dreads. Coach Surrey ran out of that bus cut at the biweek in 2024 after the rough start. After the Browns game. Yep. The boys go on to the bowl. Dude, that is the truest example of that ever. And we said it as soon as it happened, dude, look at him. He looks like private pile.

We're going to the Super Bowl, dude. They almost, did they lose the Browns? They almost lose the Browns. Either way, it was a win because it got him to cut his hair and everything changed from there. So by the way, AAU basketball, I really like it. I have mixed feelings about it. Part of me loves it, but part of me doesn't want to drive 90 minutes, you know, up and back two times in a weekend for the rest of my.

midlife you know yeah but it is cool like you see the the kids come in you kind of guess it who can play there's big guys playing over here younger people there's tall fucking kids everywhere it's cool the thing i think parents of uh your vintage i guess kids with parents with kids five years older than mine because i haven't hit the youth sports uh circuit yet what they do universally is complain about youth sports. Right. And how awful all the... It is awful.

Transporting, sitting. It's awful. Watching. It's awful. Transporting back. But there's some good ball players out there, dude. If you like basketball a little bit, like you're going to like AAU.

You're going to like watching. Is AAU just hoops? Is AAU and other sports yet? I think baseball, obviously. Really? But yeah, let me tell you this. You're going to hate this part. I showed up.

with my son to the first one walked in the door there's like a like a table you know with a guy with like which kid so i can my oldest got it so i walk in i walk up to the the desk and i'm like hey you know like have you seen coach curtis like as if that's what he's supposed to be doing is telling me where each coach is he goes uh it's going to be thirty dollars i was like oh i think i him in the wrong place. He goes, no, you're saying $30 for him to tell you where. Just to tell you where. Dude, no, honestly, it's fucking $30.

That's wild. You start looking at how much money, some of these places are probably clearing. You start doing that math. Like, there's, you know, three courts rotating from nine to, I don't know, like four every weekend. Every parent that comes in has to pay $30. You get a wristband, like a nightclub. It's crazy.

That is wild. No, it's wild. It's a little bit. predatory but what shoe company runs this one i honestly don't know who was sponsoring it or whatever um is that am i supposed to no i i just heard that they're they're crazy about that if it's like in adidas aAU league no better not have a swish anywhere you can't these kids are too young okay yeah it's not like you can't even cover it up you got to like take it off i don't it else on AAU supports over 30 sports including volleyball, track and field, baseball, wrestling, gymnastics, and swimming.

But I do. I saw this debate raging today ironically about like is AAU ruining U sports. And I think yes and no. I think yes and no. It can definitely help some kids. But I think some families like straight up don't need to be in the fucking car all weekend. Like they got enough going on. You think because of the concentration of just one sport for the youth athlete or for all that time?

spent i think it's both i think the special the specialization or whatever it is is getting out of control but i also think like i think there there's the the pressure and the um you know the mental strain on the kid which you could argue is good it inhibits growth but then there's also i think from the family standpoint like i'm telling you i got three kids like when the weekend comes how about like let's hang out you know how about like let's and that qualifies as hanging out certainly but like if you got two other kids like it really does turn your shit upside down and i'm not saying that out of like i wouldn't i don't feel like making the drive or i'm being selfish or i'd rather be doing something else the thing i'd rather be doing is hanging out with my kids at home because i don't see

them all week you know and it can kind of and think about it like i can afford that right but if you're like a hardworking like blue collar dude and you've got a kid that wants to play basketball and the cost of that is like every weekend for you to come and support it's 60 100 dollars or whatever like i don't know that kind of sucks that adds up yeah it's like being a fucking season ticket holder for a football team or something yeah i don't know i will say maybe in your eldest son's future if you guys end up doing the overnights you know the get the hotel room with the team and that that shit's cool that shit's cool i remember that from travel baseball but travel baseball was different right we stayed at fucking oh man

Man, I loved it. When we stayed at the hotels with the outside hallways. Yes. Oh, man. We were in West Virginia. We were in Beckley, West Virginia. Outside hallways. Packing dips by the soda machines, dude, having to run from your coach.

Like, get in the room. Like, oh, man, Kurt. The run of the plate. Yep. Drinking beers in the parking lot of the hotel and drunk dialing your coaches who are sleeping in the fucking hotel rooms, getting caught and having to ride 12 hours home, I'm waiting for your dad to be pissed as fuck. Yeah, that, that too.

You know? I don't know how we got a hold of that beer. Yeah, what? It's like 15-year-old year, dude. So you, were you, you think you were like 6'1? Could you have passed a 15? No, dude. This guy at the 7-Eleven, like...

Just didn't give a rip. I thought it was 19... 30, dude. No, he's just so cool. It's cool, dude. It's 7-Eleven. That's how you got it. Yeah, dude.

Well, these guys don't have kids. These guys don't have cars They're not going to drive anywhere So it's honestly the safest people you can give beer to Exactly yeah So we sat out in the parking lot Me and Steve Wickline Shout out to Steve Wickline

Sit out in the parking lot drinking beers And we decided we would We get real drunk Go up to our room and naturally call our coaches So What in the morning? It's like turning yourself in What's the what would be the punishment

If someone on your sons if you become the AAU coach, even if you're a bench coach, whatever. And your son does the same thing. Or not your son, but someone on the team calls the coach. If it's alcohol, we're running. We're just going to run all day. We're going to run all day until you don't want to drink again. I thought at first you meant running from the hotel.

Everyone would just take the cops. No, no, but we might get on the line in the middle of the night. I might have to wake everybody up and get on the line. If it's cigarettes and I'm waiting for this situation. Smoke the whole pack. I can't wait to do that. If my kid makes the mistake, man, dude, he's never going to want to smoke cigarettes again.

Are kids finding cigarettes these days, or is that era past? No, I keep them in the truck. I'm just joking. I mean, I don't keep my own. All of us, you know, the cigarette was dynamite. No, that was a great time. In high school, middle school, like that sig buzz, but now, now they're just ripping these.

It was the thing of lore. Now the cigarette. It's just vapes now. Now it's just these terrible vapes, which are maybe just as bad or worse. You can smoke them anywhere, and they taste like candy. And they make you look like such a fucking British loser, dude. You look like some guy from the UK, bro. When you see a guy that has one that's got like all the lights on the side.

Not a cool British guy. I'm talking about like the... The not cool British guys. Yeah, not cool. Yeah. Let's get to the mailbag and finish this show. How do we feel about the NCAA tournament expanding and what other perfect things have we ruined? This is from Chuck D's. Chuck D's.

Why don't you, Chuck D's nuts in your mouth? Huh. That was included. Guy's name's Chuck D's. I sent this one in. I did. I sent this one in. Well, I mean, the tournament's expanding, which is one thing we should talk about.

And then there's obviously the subsequent, what else have we ruined? That was perfect. I don't know how you feel making, but as a guy who sits here and kind of doesn't bat an eye at the NFL going to 18 or 17 games, which like maybe if they get to 18 or 20, I'm like, we're really fucking it up. And we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. But I think this is ruining the tournament. The playing games, they're enough. That's how I feel. I think it's going to make the quality of the game,

well, help me talk this out. I too think it's terrible. And I think the watering down of a regular season is a valid argument. When a team's sitting at 6 and 10 in conference play, there's still a viable path because we're talking about a team like Auburn from last year being included with 16 losses. And, you know, call me crazy, I like 64. Then we went to 65.

Now it's 68. Right. Now 76. Are we going to 56? We're probably going to 96. We're probably going to 96. I hate it. I hate it.

They ruined it. It was perfect. What else has been ruined? That was perfect. Definitive list. Okay. Going bald. You should just get the horseshoe. It was a sign of the passage of time. Horseshoe's out. Okay. And now you got to fly to turkey to get plugged to have hair forever. Yeah.

Undering so much stress and angst along the way, I was 17 years old when I took off my hat in SAT prep class. And Matt Kingston said in front of all the girls and boys, are you going bald? Like, and I've been, I've been mainlining Pro Pisha ever since. Yeah, but dude, here's the deal. I will push back on this because people are going to Turkey and it's more acceptable. Like you don't have to like get smuggled into Turkey on like a boat or something. You just get on Turkish Airlines. You get on with all the dots on your head.

Sure. And you sit in the terminal with all the other ball guys. It's like a conveyor belt dude like there's no shame in it anymore for sure like so much so that bar stool Did a whole like let's go get hair transplants flight full of people right? Yeah And it's done twice and so yeah my thing is Those ball guys were suffering in silence Sure they were like yeah, I got this tight horseshoe and there's a lot of us and the whole thing like but they were also Silently feeling badly about themselves and now you have permission to go fix it right right right right right right

Right, but I want to eliminate, I think what we had that was perfect, was not feeling bad, not feeling the shame. I think you were feeling shame. I think ball guys, have you been a totally ball guy with a horseshoe before? No, but I've seen some angles. I just, you know, you saw a guy with a horseshoe and it's like, all right, that's what an adult looks like. But that's you. You're saying that's an adult. Maybe James Taylor was like, fuck.

man I'm James Taylor I mean I'm getting a lot of ass right now but could you imagine James Taylor had a I think he had a horseshoe Yeah big time horse shoe guy James Taylor Be a weapon of mass destruction

I just In the 80s Used to be okay Now it's an arms race Was that him in the 80s Look at when he had lettuce There's race Look at when he had lettuce

Yeah Mitch Hedberg So yeah, I mean, I think like a lot of guys back in the day were going through a lot of shit that we didn't know about. I'm just like... Okay. When it was starting to be like, hey, you could fix this if you want, you know, that's when the angst came about. Oh, I don't think so. Being bald. Used to be the, who were the old guys with the founded the country?

The forefathers? Yeah. Bald ass dudes. But no, I just, I just No, well back, no, okay, wigs. The wigs, dude, they were putting, they were putting horse hair on their heads. You're right.

Dudes in the 1700s that smelled like shit. You're right. They smelled like they shit themselves. They weren't worried about the fact that they smelled like they shit themselves. They were worried about the fact they were losing their hair. You're right. They were putting wooden teeth in their, in their mouth, and putting horse hair in their hair.

So don't tell me that bald guys didn't, care you're right all guys were like working on the louisiana purchase like all fucking self-conscious dude do you know what i've decided the the the two decades of propitia notwithstanding i'm gonna go out like jesus wanted me to go out all right you're gonna go out with a you're committing yeah this is a verbal commitment right now and it's a lot of smoke and mirrors you know the comb over and all that a little bit of product to hold it up more but with with all these advancements and technology afforded to me it's going to be me and jesus really yeah i'll cut it real cut it real close we'll see you know it'd be tough i can't wait to see you i'll be on vacation in turkey and i'll be like

what are you doing here well you'd be like oh i've just i really wanted to uh you mentioned barstool you want to do a green light sort thing because then i might change my mind on the uh me and jesus part yeah part of it you want to do it okay Let's do it. All expenses paid? Sure. All right. I really, yeah.

Okay. All right? This was just about money. You're like holding out. It's just about money. It's not about like vanity, not being, you know, like. Honestly, I don't think I have the constitution for like a minor procedure. You don't have the constitution for like my whole, my whole body would just collapse.

It would reject the hair. No, I'd be fine. I'd be fine. I'd probably get the Joe Buck fucking, I'm dying. thing no you should be fine dude we're giving fun i pushed back on that keep your list going oh okay um all right this is a layup but airline travel used to uh dress up for it yeah smoke some cigarettes yes uh airline travel was sick it looked so sick yes it did dude they had like shag carpeting yes and people were smoking which is wild leg room metal tube dart jag carpeting yes dignity

and now it's just you're wearing your sweat was like Air Force One they had like a bunch of couches and shit like kind of like open areas like bartenders two outer rows a whole middle section DJs yeah

pregnant women just fucking going to town on some Myers rum that's right here's one cable television all right there in one spot you pick your channel totally agree dude

just change the channel totally agree back out of any app although youtube tv dope okay kind of like cable the other day i was sitting there we were watching like tv as a family which is a great thing to do man like watching tv as a family yeah god help us with all the devices but um we're sitting there and wayland's trying to find something he gets all frustrated just like me with the remote and i swear he's like 60 years old and meg's like hey i don't know if you know this but like if you go up here to the top right you you you click on this live now gives you a whole list of all the channels and in sequence and everything

and i'm like i go idiot and then and then and then like two minutes later i was like i whispered like i didn't know that existed even dude i've been watching youtube tv for like four years i didn't know that was there you can make it look like cable oh did you know that i'm i watch youtube tv for my live tv i don't know if i knew that sometimes i get to it accidentally but i never know how to get it back go to the top right hit live now it feels like 2010 you got library home live boop look at this check this out check this shit out yeah yeah on steroids dude you have live picture in the box yeah yeah you know like oh there's bill o're riley probably scroll past that and then you know you get animal planet and shit and all the other stuff like i've only been watching sports

right because you just do the horizontal scroll of seven channels. Yeah, dude. Exactly. There's still the CW and all that stuff. It's still out there. I was on a TV show for CW. Proud partner the Atlantic Coast Conference.

Yeah. Which is why we have to expand the 76 games. With respect. Respectfully. We'll just make this quick one. NFL being on Sundays and one game on Monday night. That was great. Kind of disagree.

I know I'm in the minority, but that was great. We'll see where the, the line in the sand is but the public's not drawn it yet no I don't think it exists no we're in the chow line we are doing away with two

Monday nighters yes no more two Monday nighters I'm okay with that because then you got to miss you got to choose and you're up to one yes it's too late that second game starts too late in okay hit me with some okay

sports center yep this isn't a shot at like I like midnight sports center I love that but like when you're when we're doing sports center that might be one one that's really good when when sports center go back dude

da-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-da-na-na-na-na-da- when I hear those fucking horns dude in the morning and there was a hockey game that I was too young to stay up into two OTs to see and I'm shuffling down to the fucking kitchen table and I hear the horns and then you find out

the avalanche beat the Sabres last night. Like that's peak teenage years, dude. That's like, and now it's just, I don't know, it's not the same in general. That's not to say we don't like certain anchors and shit. Like we, you know, like, but the formatting of the show. Yeah.

Show us the sports. Do your best highlight real reading. They would use to, I don't know, Sunday conversations in the morning on Sunday. Oh, the sports reporters. Sports reporters, man. Yeah, Dick Schap. I was getting like D's in school,

but I was like I understood exactly what was going on. Maybe I am smart. In the world of sports business, dude. When I was home sick from school, I would watch the same sports center over and over and over. Like the first one would be seven to eight and they'd just replay it until noon. Yeah. I'd watch all of them.

Just keep watching them. Yeah, five back to back. And I used to be real hung up. like it's man I feel like they're doing it a little bit different every time right right sometimes they would edit this and that mm-hmm like fuck said Shaq had 20 and 12 was 20 and 13 it's kind of like a grateful dead concert like it's the same songs done a little bit differently every time that next Kenny was giving you yatsy yachtsy like that yeah dude yeah but I'm not saying the anchors aren't

good now it's just the brand is different dude the the aesthetic of the show is different too. Do we still get this is sports center commercials? No and that was perfect as well. They were hilarious. Some of the best commercials of all time. I think we just don't get a ton of commercials period. Yeah that's another thing you used to have to sit there and watch the commercials. They weren't like minute and a half ads. You couldn't skip them. Yeah that you could skip 15 seconds in. Okay. MTV. It was perfect. Yes. We fucked that up. Bring back music. music videos, fuck, bring back alternative rock. I don't care. Is it back? It's not back yet. It's just called country. It's on its way. Is it just called country? No, no, no. It's,

there's a, there's a nice little wave of little, I guess, gen alpha kids are coming up and they like, they like bands and rock. It's coming back. They still do real world? Uh, I don't know. I don't think so. But I will tell you this. I'm just going to say the same thing again. fucking music and videos that's all it needs to be i fuck it was just perfect it was like and then they m tv news kurt loader yeah it was perfect sway t rl t ral carson daly yeah bring me back um here you go the kickoff from the 30 NFL kickoff NFL kickoff from the 30 concussions wedges Bring them back. Bring them back.

It was perfect. It was a play. Yeah. It was a play in the game. Well, you know what's so funny? NFL kind of gets bullied in this shit. I know it's because of like lawsuits and all that stuff and liability. But we're like as a society into people slapping the fuck out of each other repeatedly

until one hits the ground unconscious. That's a sport. Yeah. They're going to do UFC at the White House, but football's got to change the kickoff. Right. Kind of glad they did. I am. That was like terrible what some guys would go through on the wedge.

Were you ever on kickoff? I was on kickoff return a little bit. Wow. I think. When? When I was when I was on kickoff return? You're not sure. If you were on kickoff return, you're not sure.

I mean, in professional. in the professional rank you ever on kickoff I think so when I was young when I was a spags put me on all the special teams dude huh because he was like

fuck this guy he's wearing 72 yeah and he's gonna wear 72 dude because he doesn't he doesn't run these pressures to my liking um no but yeah like

uh that was a motherfucker yeah the quarterback QB challenge quarterback challenge do you remember the QV challenge when they got together and tried to throw the football into hoops and different moving targets. And they were like, hey, let's see how far y'all can throw this fucking football. Had like Brett Farv out there, crow hopping and throwing the ball 75 yards.

That's another one. Are we doing that now a different way or is that just something that was sweet back in the day? It was something that was sweet. And they just said, I guess they didn't ruin it. They did away with it. Can you pull up a picture of a phone that's attached to a, phone line. When that motherfucker went away, the world started to end. Yep. I'm telling you, when they do an autopsy report on civilization, the day, and we didn't know it, that you put the fucking

phone in your car, that was fine. Car phone saw the cord. Car phone was fine. Okay, but when you, when you detach the cord from the phone, cordless phone is the beginning of the end. And we had next still chirps and we had blackberries and you didn't know that what you were holding was like the prototype for the machine that's going to end the world that to me it was perfect and also besides the whole like kids getting showing signs of dementia because they're staring at their phones so much their brains aging online cyber bullying social media endless comparison you were also hard to access if somebody needed something done they had to leave a message on your house phone and yet we still figured it out we still hung out in groups people people you could argue they hung out more

could argue they hung out more because sometimes they go they just go to your house we were what are you up to we were in a local gang we figured that shit out with no cell phones dude yeah that's how did what was the were you guys don't remember it's like were you on kickoff return I don't know We were probably at school and it's like Chris's house tonight I don't know because at one point I remember calling and saying

Redacted is on 250 West Intercept him True Towards the tail end there We started to get cell phones Which totally accelerated gang warfare dude And I could have gone to jail hanging out the side of that

Was that your car? Probably Yeah Anyways A gun drawn The fucking phones It was a paintball guy. We had it, we had it right.

You could call anybody in the world on a landline. You could call Japan. You could call Tokyo. But then they detached the phone and made it so you could walk around with it. To the point now where people have problems with their necks. Yeah. Huh. Yeah.

Doing this all day. Yeah. It's ruined everything. Michael Jackson. Before the pedophilia? We ruined Michael Jackson. No. I don't even want to bring that up.

No. They ruined Michael Jackson. Similarly, do you remember tan mom? Tan mom. Just stick with your melanin. Oh. Is this before or after? I mean, she really went hard in the paint on that one.

Golly, man. Yeah. I don't think you're allowed to do that. I don't think you're allowed to do that. I don't think, I think like, I think of a tanning bed, if you're, if you do this, that to yourself at a tanning bed like they have to they have to cut you off like a bartender would they should have and they call the police tan mom wolf you can't do that anymore that's naughty tan mom still with us apparently looking like that uh hard to say so she's a member of the republican party

Shocker 58 years old She thought she had a loophole She did Dumbass Blockbuster video Yeah You go in

You get a movie You might get a video game You rent Star Fox You young fuckers wouldn't know anything about that But you go in and you go as a family And you get a fucking Bruce Willis movie And on the way out you get some of those Sour Ropes the candy

or or or you're not going to like this but dots i would get dots at blockbuster dots are great oh you like dots i fucking love dots i'm almost done disposable cameras yep oh i thought it was perfect that was perfect everybody looked hot on a disposable camera everybody looked hot and that's so good for your fucking psyche man like imagine imagine if we had a the ability to doctor images of ourselves how stupid we would fucking look but how like unrealistically hot all the women would look growing up that's what women are going through today and the comparison thing's ridiculous you get online and everybody oh that person looks hot you want to see what a person really looks like look at their tagged photos that's right you want to see through the veneer that is

instagram the internet i'm bigot fucking no i don't believe you tagged photos i'm just telling you the fucking disposable camera was good for mental health and it was cool you only got so many and it was a mystery you go you get them fucking you get them developed

developed and you're like oh I forgot about that Reed passed out the cameras with we drew on Reed yeah with uh yeah how much how many pictures

would you get in a roll of film like 30 yeah it's the perfect amount and then it would run out and your dad would be all upset and you couldn't take a selfie Yeah. Well. No, I mean, you could, but nobody was doing it. You blind yourself.

You blind yourself, dude. Those are great. And you had the underwater ones, which I still use. My kids used them at the beach this year. It's awesome. Yeah. So Sea Turtle. Point it out.

I can't see. Where is it? Garage sales. I thought garage sales were sick. Oh, garage sales are still out there, dude. Oh, shoot. But. they're watered down because a lot of the shit just throw away

all the good stuff goes to goodwill here's why garage sales got ruined garage sale nice safe place to buy used goods yes Craigslist not safe right people get abducted pedophile petaf like the whole thing dude garage sales out there in the open you want to buy a fridge you gotta do it like on the side of the road eBay ruined garage sales because now if you go to a garage sale

I don't know if this has happened, you guys, have you been to any garage sales recently? Not in a while. If you go to a garage sale and you, like, try to haggle, they immediately pull out their phone and go to eBay and they go, well, it's selling for this much on eBay, I could just do that. You're doing garage sales, huh?

That's what I took away. Yeah, I mean, well, you know, hey, man, in college it was a lot of buying sell. Buying on a budget. Buy and then sell it for more on eBay. It's like, well, if you're going to sell for me at the eBay price at the garage sale, just fucking sell it on eBay. Right.

But no, but they're trying to, they're trying to get you exactly yeah and I'm trying to get them yeah yeah that's how the works if you want someone that's because you're in the market yeah if you want somebody to come to your house and buy your shit so you don't have to ship it across country yeah then I get a deal that's how it works

dude he's garage sailing yeah he's still garage sale facts would know a ton about this fax is big into this shit this bargain hunting shit dude some things you shouldn't hunt bargains on like dude I get the best discount tattoo you're paying fucking going rate for tattoos dental work

yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah no there's definitely some things it's May the 4th are we Star Wars guys nope I knew you'd say that I think the original Star Wars are cool I do I don't even

I don't this is Luke Skywalker that's the one and Darth Vader is it is it you don't be great this boy is his death You know it'll be great.

If AI could produce me a co-host, like AI could do a copy of making that's into the arts. That's into films and movies. You know, like, but, but, like maybe a hologram. Speaking of Star Wars, I got to take on the Star Wars thing. Well, first I'll ask you, how hot was Princess Leia? Oh, now, that's the one from the Blues Brothers.

And her name is... Is that what you just said? yeah what huh she's the one from star wars bro bro what's her name uh princess lea fisher carrie fisher

chary fisher yeah of course chary fisher is attractive oh yeah for sure was that the question my question is is it possible that it's a it's like a frank gifford situation like was she running back for the giants like like frank gifford

like frank gifford okay they're with me here yeah it was about the time he time in a place oh you know what i'm saying like i'm just saying i've seen like millions of hotter princess lea's sense on like hollews and yeah yeah instagram you know what i'm saying yeah yeah yeah i think she it was the time she it was like right place she's like a hall of famer but like she probably couldn't have played in today's era right as as well in that outfit okay i think that's fair like does anybody know what frank gifford ran a 40 in 4 7 3 it's probably on the fast end calbs if he's asking no and this would be great i don't know 40 time but he's um he's remembered for that iconic play when he got lit up by uh was it chuck bednerick i think it was chuck bednerick he was lit up by like an

electrician and chuck big nit nitniric yeah exactly he was he got crushed before between Chuck Bed, Eric, and a moonshiner. Like, he fucking. Yeah. Do you know it's 40 time? I don't. I don't think anybody does. That's the point.

But this, I read about this AI tool now where they're going to be able to, they're going to be able to fucking, yeah, no. Goop. What is it say? Shut the fuck up, dude. No. There is no way, dude. There is no way sources suggest that coming out of college,

Gifford ran a 43540 highlighting his speed. He was credited with. That sounds like a coach who was like, oh, he ran like a 4-6. What did you credit him? What did you credit him with? He was a pretty fast guy. Let's credit him with, you know, 435.

So, 435. No fucking way, by the way. We should use this tool. I read about this tool. where the NFL in scouting like you know you try to you know ascertain field speed as opposed to just you know shorts you know like in front of a bunch of scouts like running a 40 um and there's supposedly some tools that they can do to to gauge that and they're going to start like telling you how fast the player is actually on the field because in college you can't wear the catapults like in the pros you can tell like when running back breaks an 80 yard run they're like oh 23 miles an hour like how the fuck well because they're wearing wearable tech but they're not doing that in college so you have to be able to do that visually on film with like some sort of algorithm or i don't know could be butchering this whole thing but they need to do this to the old

fucking players like frank gifford i would i would love to know how fast dudes were in reality or slow you know what mean I think it'd be fun of shit to find out like how quick Lawrence Taylor's getoff was that's a different era or you know like how high Harold Carmichael's vert was dude like that's a lot easier than fucking probably gauging how fast he was where will a human top out passes 40 speed four flat that's crazy I think we're closer to that than than we realize because it was like 4-4 all of our lives and now we're starting to see some high four-threes is that right yes but like i think bow jackson says he ran like a 4-1 4-1-3 so my point is there's probably somebody who's going to run a 4-flat in the next 20 years and that's all the time we have and also because after

that it's robot apocalypse it's something terrible it's like shit we might want to hurry up and i mean dudes are just training for this now but they only have like two, three months to train for it after their college season until the combine or whatever. If a couple people trained for it. You guys helping you, Seymolte didn't run a four flat? Oh, I bet you he did. I bet you he could.

So maybe we're already there. Yeah. I reckon, I guess I meant ball player, but yeah, you're right. We're already there. Oh, St. Bolt famously ran an unofficial four-two-two. Oh, well, shit. We got a little work to do. But Bo Jackson ran a 401.

That's what he said. who's credited with a 4-1. But that was at the 2019 Super Bowl fan experience in Atlanta. Oh, yeah, well, that's crazy, dude. He's not really trying. He achieved his time while wearing casual clothes and sneakers. He ran a 4-2 in casual clothes? That's silly.

What was he wearing? There you go. Looks like mid-length sweatpants. Mid-length. How do you... What's a mid-length? Like a capri. Yeah, capri.

All right, chill. not a look for not a look for you or me just like Capri man I know what a Capri is mid-linked give me your last can me your last question I really want to know how fast some of these white guys were back in the day get on that like Jeff Bezos I can you can just see on the tape I mean they look like glaciers out there you called him glaciers that's crazy it really would contextualize the stand That's the Hall of Famers of the 50s. Like,

Yeah, break. I think it's, I, well, I don't want to be so, like, I think it's implied that like,

hey, listen, we know dudes in the 50s aren't going to be able to play today for the most part at all. But like, they were great in their time and all you can do is judge them off their era. But it would be cool to be able to contextual as you said.

Like, um, you know, uh, like, bullet Bill Dudley. I got to meet him. Uh,

he was at like some of the award shows and, fucking legend dude i don't want to take anything away from bullet bill bill dudley but is he like you know is he like a revolutionary war musket bullet or is he like a fucking curly lambo he's out there like being the best football player of his era but he's also working at the meatpack and plant during the day that's what i'm saying dude that's what was crazy dudes were getting knocked out by like fucking like meat packer

right yeah i want to bring something back making yeah layup line we can't play music on this show uh on youtube because youtube will wreck our shit uh as they as they do royalties and such yeah so uh but we used to do this for a long time we used to start the show with layup line which is we would play like six six seconds six seconds of music was it six um and i think we had a damn um playlist do we have playlist we did we do Playlists, we did. The Spotify. How many songs are on that playlist currently?

See, nine hour and 51 minute. No fucking way, dude. Yeah, layup line. Okay, let's fire back up. We're going to start the nine hour. 51 minute soundtrack right now. Ghali, or we could start a new playlist, era two. Era two.

Layup line era two. Layup line era two. To get on here, did Calbs have to pick a winner? We started the pick a winner. We used to, yeah, and I don't want to get blamed for like, I don't want like these terrific songs in there with like Al Forever feels. Yeah, well. And like the Georgia Tech yellow jackets marching band.

They're kind of cheeks. But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I hear you. You know? So, and some of that show tune type music you were fucking like, no, I'm good, dude. Yeah. So anyways, we will restart it. How do people get there? Go to Spotify.

You can also find it in the show to script. Show link. Okay. So anyways. subscribe to that shit we'll add a song every day or more today because it is May 4th

not doing Star Wars you know like the I'm not doing Star Wars May 8th 1977 raise your hand if you're a dead dead head or a dead fan in here I'm probably the only one yeah read like a little bit right

fan not ahead okay yeah I would say I'm on the edge of head but like, more of a fan. I would say I'm, I'm, um, I'm, um, I'm, um, um, um, um, um,

I'm, um, um, I'm, just subhead. Maybe like neck. Maybe neck. But, but, but yeah, like, you're a dead neck. I'm a dead neck.

That should be a thing. I'm a dead neck. You're a dead neck. I'm a dead neck. That's perfect. That's perfect. I don't want to put that on a tattoo. That's what I am. People, it'd be, yeah, long story. But Barton Hall, Cornell, 1977, today's layup line I gave you guys this as homework was fire on the mountain. It's a 15 minute journey that I am fairly certain making only enjoyed five minutes of, maybe, turned it off.

We're doing the honesty policy here? It's the honesty thing. It's been a day. It's really been a day. But I did manage to get through the 15 minutes. You got through the whole 15. Yeah. And what'd you think? Too much for you. You know, I don't know, this is serious. I don't know that I like music.

I don't know that I like music. That's interesting. I might just not like music. That's interesting. Like it's evocative and shit. Maybe we shouldn't do this segment. You set like, you know, video something to music. Yeah.

That'll make it more powerful, sure. So you want me to pair a YouTube video with Fire on the Mountain? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Okay. Yeah. Or maybe like your kid graduating high school or something. Okay.

Got it. It's, um... Didn't love it. Reed, do you like it? Yeah, love it. Okay. And I've thrown this, like, when you sent it, I got excited because I throw this album on every once in a while in this live album.

And for the Grateful Dead history buffs out there in 2011, the recording, this show, Oh, this is sick. Was selected for inclusion in the National Recording Registry of the Library of Congress. So they're like dead heads, dead necks say, hey, Cornell's obviously the best. But dead heads say like, well, you know, it's just because the audio was like crispy as fuck. Crispy's fuck. That's what they say. Yeah, yeah.

They're like, it's just because of the sound quality of the tape. I think it's great regardless. But yeah, I used to be, do you know some of the songs on here? There's nobody to talk to about this album. St. Stephen the Loser, you got a couple of the classics. Loser was the one for a while for me. Yep. I, I, and, you know, shout out to a lot of your musical taste with Mama Tried.

Mama Tried. Yeah, but I never, honestly, I never like, like, I don't mind when they put it, like, Merle Haggard or Marty Robbins, but, like, for me, it's kind of like I just stick to which, I'm glad you do it, but I don't go back and listen to that. Right, right. I was, you know what I mean you making. I do. I'm off this particular album, I'm a big dancing in the street.

Dancing in the street. This is incredible. Incredible. And one more Saturday night. People love morning due. Yep. They say it's the best rendition of morning due. Ro Jimmy Rose great.

The layup line today is going to be fire on the mountain. 15 minutes of excellence. Fire on the mountain. Run more run. That's a different one. Close. Yeah. But that, yeah.

Also not to be confused with Marshall Tucker bands Fire on the Mountain. Yeah. Okay, so I also want to add Jerry Garcia mission in the rain as well. San Francisco 76, throw that one on the layup line as well. No problem. Do you cats know the original name of the Grateful Dead? Oh, fuck.

Yeah, new writers of the Purple Sage. That was Jerry Garcia's band. Internet says the warlocks. The warlocks. The warlocks. Yeah. So that's why I'm a dead neck. But, but, so anyways,

Yeah, awesome, awesome song. Add that to the playlist. Now we can, we can move on. Deerly departed, David Allen Co. I know. That's a complicated one. Because he definitely had, he had some terrible, terrible recordings. Oh.

That were pretty fucking racist. Oh. Claims, though, not to be a racist. Wee. but I will say this but I will say this you know that I kind of I don't know why but I kind of put racism up pretty high

on like the things that changed somebody's legacy for me and everything you know we celebrate a lot of abusive people and such in sports and music and elsewhere the David Island Coast stuff was just so like relative to the rest of the industry. Like what he did was ridiculous. Now, again, has a black drummer,

says he's not racist. But I want to say that before I say this, David Aung Coe was so fucking talented. It was unreal. David Aikenkoe was incredibly talented. And I hate that he went through that phase because it kind of took away from what I think would be like a slam dunk, easy legacy to talk about.

Like today, you'd be like, man, this guy was incredible he was incredible by the way um john prine do you ever know his involvement in um you never even called me by my name oh no yeah he evidently was one of the writers right but like after they they laid down the track or like whatever i i forget where in the timeline it was he hit that group up in like a panic the way i would after like a podcast that we did like a segment that I'm like, yeah, it was cringy. I might call you at 11 at night and be like, pull it. He was like, I'm worried this song's going to be poorly received by the country music

community because it pokes fun at country music. And he was like, take my name off the credits. And then it turned in to be the, you know, like the biggest music hit. Not ever, but like if you go to a piano bar, it feels that way. Prine requested to be uncredited on the song as he thought it was a goofy novelty song and did not want to offend the country music community. Yes. Interesting.

A friend of mine named Steve Goodman wrote that song. That's right. But if you want like a deeper cut, David Allen Co. sung that I really like, it's not his song, but would you lay with me? Would you lay with me is an incredible song? So, anyways, that's talking music. Making you talk more music than you let on. John Prime.

You're like, hey, I don't listen to music, but this fucking racist guy is not. Yeah. I do know John Pride now. Oh, one of the mailbag questions that didn't make the cut for me, that's Jim Crocey or John Prine. Hmm. Interesting. Answer is John Prine.

I'll tell you why. John Prine. Yeah. But Jim Croce, fantastic, but died too soon. Died Young. Plain crash. Lake Marie. Y'all know Lake Marie, John Prine?

I don't know that song. You know what blood looks like black and white? shadows no great song it is great song okay angel from Montgomery angel from Montgomery is fantastic but you know who's who's saying the best rendition I ever heard Susan Tedeskey she's got trucks yes yes and she does a live version uh where she combines um angel from Montgomery with sugary it is incredible she hey she's different Tedesky trucks on nugs yeah oh yeah second most listen to band they are they are they're They are different.

They are different. If I had to go, if I have to go Prine, and then we'll move on. If I had to go my favorite John Prine songs. Clocks and Spoons, does anybody know clocks and spoons? Add that to the list for Layup Line. Spanish Pipe Dream, that's probably not his. That's a great song. I don't know who wrote it at first.

It's got him written all over it, but. Maybe it is one. I mean, I don't think a lot of people wrote for John Prine. Jeffrey Bradford Kent I'll be damn yeah yeah bruised orange crooked crooked piece of time um

and then man living in the future is a deeper cut I suppose but one I love I just Croce didn't have a deep enough catalog although he's a Philly legend died too soon

too many fucking musicians were riding around in faulty airplanes mm-hmm Thank you.