Green Light with Chris Long - CC Sabathia! Yankees Career, Derek Jeter & Aaron Judge & Evolution of Pitching

Episode Date: May 4, 2023

(2:10) - Hello, Layup Line & Green Light's Tough Softball Game (12:58) - CC Sabathia talks MLB Career, Growing Up a Football Player, Making the Transition to the MLB Right Out of High School, Playing with Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera, Mentoring Aaron Judge, Shohei Ohtani, the Evolution of Pitching and the Unwritten Rules of Baseball (51:51) - Macon's Sick House or Not Sick House (58:42) - Dillon Brooks will not be returning to Memphis UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES which leads to a great rivalry story from Chris, Macon & Kingston's high school days Have some interesting takes, some codebreaks or just want to talk to the Green Light Crew? We want to hear from you. Call into the Green Light Hotline and give us your hottest takes, your biggest gripes and general thoughts. Day and night, this hotline is open. Green Light Hotline: ‪[phone]‬ Green Light Spotify Music: https://open.spotify.com/user/951jyryv2nu6l4iqz9p81him9?si=17c560d10ff04a9b   Spotify Layup Line: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1olmCMKGMEyWwOKaT1Aah3?si=675d445ddb824c42   Green Light Tube YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/GreenLightTube1   Green Light with Chris Long:   Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We're going to talk about it. We're also going to talk about his career in Major League Baseball. A lot of great stories come from his time with the Yankees. Talks about his son growing up in the clubhouse, playing with Yankees' greats like Derek Jeter and Mariana Rivera and being able to mentor Aaron Judge. We have a little fun in the beginning. We took a tough loss in softball.

other night and you'll get to hear a detailed in-depth account one of the greatest feuds in Virginia prep high school history. Have a great weekend and enjoy yourself folks. All right some people had requested another Gordon Lightfoot song for the layup line but that's not going to happen. You don't get to die twice. Okay, he earned the first one. The second one, no, no freebies. Come back, Gordon. it again. So I'm going to go layup line. I'm going to go Christopher Cross, ride like the win. He's 72 today, May the 3rd. R today, you're yesterday. And that'd be different than

Chris Cross. Yeah, it'd be different. Chris Cross was a hip-hop group. Yeah, that's right. Yep, yep, yep, yep. They were kids and shit. Yeah. Hip-hoping. So yeah, Christopher Cross, he was like a crooner. Not a crooner. I don't know what to call Christopher Cross. Yacht Rock? Gotta be honest with you. I've never heard of Christopher Cross. Yeah, it's a bang. I thought it might be

young hip hop group Chris Cross. No, no, no, no. It's Yacht Rock, so check it out. Hey, I want to start the show. You want to hello? Yeah, Grants Pass, Oregon. Okay. Hello!

I can't. With these hellos. To take you behind the curtain every day, I'm like, I have a layup line. Do you have a hello? Megan's like, yep. I'm like, why? No reason.

But that was kind of, wasn't that the impetus for the thing? Maybe, but then we used to like Google it and find something interesting about it. I got something for you. Okay. So they named it after Ulysses Grant who had a big victory in Vicksburg, which is in Mississippi, which is odd, because this spot's in Oregon, it's near the Willamette Valley. So while I came to Grant's Pass randomly, I found a little fun fact. You know, back in the day, people would say, oh, I listen. I'm in Grant's Pass.

But now nobody listens. Yeah. As evidence by... Choose somewhere a little more well known than Grant's Pass. Oh, oh. Jokes on you. It's like the eighth most populous city in Oregon. We've got a shot.

Oregon's just a lot of high desert and Antifa. So it really doesn't take much. Do you want to guess what the most populous city in Oregon is? Sure. It's probably Portland. You got it. Yeah. By a factor of about five.

Yeah, that's right. Yeah. You think the census is all fucked because Antifa's like, nah, I'm not going to tell you. Anarchy. I think it's probably been fucked. Portland could be at least three to four times bigger than we think. From Jump Street, yeah. Chris, what did you think went wrong last night for us at the diamond? What didn't go wrong?

You know, I mean, that was embarrassing. You know, I was personally embarrassed, you know, hitless. Yeah, I knew it was going to be bad. when I walked the first at bat because I was like, yeah, fuck, I like to get in the flow. I love a walk. I don't love a walk.

And then I went 0 for two and we didn't hit the ball. We scored four runs. You weren't the only, six to four. Hitless batter and it was tough. Most of the team showed up at 555. The game was at 6. And as we were,

no one really warmed up. Well, I showed up at 5.30. I told two of our best players to get in the car. And then we drove down by the train tracks. smoked a joint. And I knew it was going to go bad because I'm in the dugout and I heard multiple people overconfident. Now you'll see it in the in the in the YouTube breakdown of our game but we had some

people that were talking cash shit. The problem was the other team was old. The other team the median age as Matt put it was like 47 and I don't mean that disparagingly because I'm not ageist unlike Nate Collins who came in and was like, these guys are old, we're going to beat him. And then we had another guy being like, these guys are hot garbage, so I hear, whatever. Now, I did hear in the third inning, the umpire back there said to one of the guys I've never seen you play this well, to which they kind of agreed.

And, you know, at the end of the game, this is what really hurt. There was one guy that I was talking to a little bit out in the field. It was a nice guy. And after the game, he was like, hey, this better make the podcast. As if we don't talk about the losses, well, sorry, buddy. We talk about all the losses, especially when we lose to a team that we think we're better than. Okay, but they beat us fair and square.

We get out to the parking lot to see the guy again, and he's like, we'll see you next year. And I'm like, that's disrespectful. Because I'm like, we'll see you in the playoffs. Well, they- And he goes, we're not making the playoffs. We might not be making the playoffs. It's close.

But I said four games to go. So before this game, that if we went three-in-one, it was possible if we won out definite. I was counting I was counting one loss against the team who we have upcoming who's the best team in the league

ceramic tile yeah which is not the team we play now this yeah you guys suck man y'all suck have you thought about not getting high before the games well yeah then sometimes

sometimes I'm usually not high before the game okay my swing's broken man last year I'm gonna tell you what happened last year I was like 10 15 pounds lighter. And I was real, I don't know, like, you know, wiry. And I could really snap that bat off. And this year, I'm just doing too much off the diamond. I'm lifting weights. I'm boxing. I'm 255. Like, I can't hit the ball like I used to. Oh, boxing. All right. So you're too tight.

Yeah. You're too tight. You need to loosen up a little bit. You need to throw in a little like yoga, some Pilates. Yeah. The boxing is what's getting you. I think it's the lifting too. But either way, my swing is kind of broken. And I think I've officially entered into a bad mental stretch where I'm like I'm thinking too much at the plate. But yeah, I had company last night. I mean, nobody was hitting the ball. J.P. had a dinger.

But we had multiple guys, you know, ground into a double play. Our best player went one for three. Well, he grounded into a double play. Yeah, that's all you're doing. Now, he does wear camo cargo pants. So I think it would help maybe if he threw on some athletic wear. But, you know, here's the worst part of losing those guys. And I knew when we showed up that they were going to be good because they had baseball pants on.

If you show up to a softball game and the other team has baseball pants on, buckle the fuck up. Don't be fooled by the gray hair. Don't be fooled by the beer bellies. That was part of the problem. When we were getting ready for the game, a lot of the green light dugout was a little more worried about what the other team was wearing. Than beating the other team. That right. People were talking cash shit.

and you know like that that's the oldest that's it's the old it's the old it's the canary in the coal mine you know these guys got baseball pants on look out and we didn't heed the warning and we got beat fair and square and you know here's the worst part of it they had three outfielders yep three outfielders and we couldn't find we hit it into the hour right to directly right to them like they like they were down a guy or they decided to put the fourth guy somewhere out down a guy they beat us short-handed dude a bunch of guys who who get prostate checks beat us short-handed.

And I mean no offense. Like, I respect these guys. I was the one in the dugout, like, respect these guys, man. Show some of our guys weren't showing respect. It was not good. So we'll try to put our best foot forward next week. It just sucked. We're going to need it the rest of the way out.

Three games left. We sit at three and four. There's two teams ahead of us that are fighting for that fourth playoff spot. We do have a head-to-head win against both those teams, but we need to win out. And I have a buddy on Cerambico Tile, and I play into the seed, you know, maybe they want to throw the game.

Yeah, what did he say? He was like, you know, what's in it for them, though? Well, they can't. They all sorry asses in the playoffs. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, yeah. They probably, yeah, they play the four seed.

That's, yeah, we'll see, we'll see if we can get it. Maybe we just beat them straight up. You know? Maybe we get C.C. Sabathia to join our team. That'd be pretty sick. You know? I think he'd be pretty good.

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Kyle reeled this one in, man. We were at the Drake party at the Super Bowl, and the two biggest guys in the house for having a conversation. One of them played in the MLB, one of them played in the NFL. This is C.C. Sabathia, the best baseball player we've ever had on.

So thanks for coming on, C.C. What's going on, fellas? Thanks for having me. We were just telling the story before we went on live. We were in the airplane hangar, and I saw you in the corner, and it was my first real-life recruiting pitch. I was like, we got to get you on the Greenlight podcast, so I'm glad we can make this happen.

Oh, yeah, no problem. Well, I said, I told Kyle, I was like, I'm a huge fan of your dad. So inadvertently, I became huge fans of you guys, like watching your career the whole time, you know, just being a Raiders fan. So, you know, I followed the both of you guys. That's damn cool, man.

No, I heard you were a Raiders fan, man. What do you think of a new stadium? Have you been out there yet? I have. The stadium is awesome. We've never, like, as a Raider fan, we've never had our own thing. You know what I mean? Like, we're playing in the LA Coliseum when I grew up. Then it was the shitty Oakland Coliseum as I got older. But now to have like our own stadium and see Raiders shit everywhere, it's actually really cool.

Have you been in the black hole? I have not yet. I haven't yet. I've been sitting up in the suites. They got like this little sweet level where they got like the recliner chairs. We've got a lot of connections there. We've got a lot of connections with people that love us and people that hate us from when we play. Do you guys get hate from like the Raider fans? I think I don't think so, man.

You know, I think Pops did such a good job there. They always show us love, man. It's cool like running into Raiders fans, man. Like a lot of them I met when I was a kid probably, you know, walking around with my dad and the concourse and that sort of thing. So now when we were kids, C, C, C, like my dad was, said when they played at the old Coliseum in Oakland or whatever it was, whatever you called it,

there were a couple games that like, you know, for a stretch there, my mom wasn't allowed to bring me as a little kid. Just because they got so rowdy. And then, you know, like, honestly, it was like more in the NFL when we go to like play a candlestick because that was still really rough. I wouldn't let my wife go in Rams gear.

Oh, really? Candlestick was rowdy like that? Yeah, dude. Anything in the bay? Oh, wow. I didn't know that. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Yeah.

about Niners fans. I just thought it was in the East Bay, but I wouldn't take my my 19 year old now as a freshman in college. I wouldn't take him until he was like 10 or 11. So for the first couple of years, and then I would sit on the visiting side. Yes. Because no weed smoke, it's no fight. No contact guy. No shit going on. Like we got to sit on the visiting side, but he didn't go to his first game until he's probably like 10 or 11 just because of the rowdiness. I just imagine growing up as your son. And obviously he's an athlete. He's doing his thing now. And we understand how that goes as sons of a ball player. Are there any funny stories that stick out to you when it was kind of like he realized who you were when he

was around the guys that you played with? I think like being when I came to the Yankees. Because he was always around. I had him when I was 23. So I would bring him to the clubhouse all the time. He was always around in Cleveland, all these, you know, all this different place. He came in a lot in Milwaukee. But when we got to New York, I think he kind of realized like, oh, that's A-Rod. You know what I mean? He was five or six at the time. And he was like, oh, that's Derek Jeter. And he will follow Robbie Kanoe everywhere. So Joe Girardi was our manager at the time. And he had a young kid. And we all had kind of young kids at the time. So we were allowed to bring our sons into the clubhouse every day. So by from time we'll see was five until he was like nine or 10, he went to the park with me

every single day. So he could take ground balls with the guys, follow the guys around, hang out in the locker room. But not until we got to New York. Did he realize like, oh, this shit is pretty cool? I think my dad is kind of cool.

Yeah, it's funny because we, you know, I was pretty young and I can remember faintly sitting on the kitchen counter and Bo Jackson's in the kitchen, you know, with my dad. And it's like, it's like, how did I not appreciate that moment?

You know, like I can remember late, late in my career being like, dad, how come you never let me meet Barry Sanders? And he was like, you did meet Barry Sanders, you know? And part of that was downplaying what he did. Like, you know, because he wanted to keep us grounded. So it was like, hey, I'm just going to work. I'm taking my son to work. Did you feel like you kind of did that, even though you brought him around a lot? Like, was it important to keep him grounded? Yeah, it's super important to keep. I got four. So all of them grounded. But the oldest for sure, you know, because I think he got to saw, get to see everything.

Like he was, you know, he kind of grew up with me and Amber in the game. So, you know, he was there for the World Series. He was there in the celebrations and all on the parade float and all these different things. So, I mean, having those experiences great for him and, you know, him wanting to be a ballplayer and motivating them. And, you know, I know that's all that's in his mind. But it was good to be able to be with him every single day so that we could have conversations about keeping them grounded and different things like, hey, this is not normal. You know what I'm saying? It's not normal things that a 9 or 10-year-old get to do.

So, you know, appreciate this and take advantage of it. He's at Georgia Tech now? He's at Georgia Tech, yeah. ACC guy, okay. Yeah. All right, first baseman? Place first. Yeah, big kid.

He's like 6-5, like 245, 250 now. All the best athletes play first base. Well, in softball, not so much. I'm just sucking around. Me and Kyle are on a softball team right now. We're kind of, we're struggling. We control the right side of the end field. Yeah, I'm second base.

I'm second base so I can avoid any hard shots to nuts, and I don't throw my arm out, and then Kyle's at first base. So I got a question about football because, you know, you played, you were pretty good, right? You were a tight end, and you almost played collegiately. How close was that decision? It was really close. That was my dream was to go to college and play college football.

You know, kids, like from my generation, my era, that was like our, like that was the only path to get to the NFL or, the big leagues or whatever was to go through college. So me, I wanted to go play at UCLA. I wanted to play tight in. But just my financial situation, me and my mom, you know, living, you know, single mom at the time. My dad was, they had got divorced and my grandmother passed away

in the middle of my senior year. So it was just kind of me and her, and she was, you know, single income. And I get drafted in the first round. And it's like, I hit the lottery. Like I had to take that. You know what I'm saying? Like, get drafted, 19th pick.

And it was kind of like baseball chose me. It didn't give me a chance to even pick. It was like, this is here, this is resent it. Like, we need the money, honestly. And I felt like I was young and if I was 17 when I got drafted, I was like, I can do this for three or four years. And if it don't work out, I can go back and play college football. Chris Winkey was just doing the same shit at the time.

Yeah, yeah. I'm like, that's a perfect example. Like, I can go back. So let me give this a try and, you know, ended up working out. But it was, it was one of those things where baseball just kind of chose me on the path where I had to take that, you know, first round money because of me and my mom's situation. Winky is a fucking unit, dude. He's a little bit too old for me to appreciate it. He coached me. He coached me in St. Louis, and he was bigger than the D.Ns, dude. He was big got. How much money was at

CC when you, when you, when you, at a 17 year old kid, like you, you know, how much money's in your bank account all of a sudden? How hard is it to manage, you know, like everybody wanting something and, and just, you know, tickets and the whole thing? Yeah, it was hard. So I signed, I was a 19th pick, I got $1.3 million. And, you know, obviously, growing up the situation I grew up, I grew up in the ghetto, I grew up in the hood, and it was like everybody wanted a piece, you know what I'm saying? This AAU basketball coach, this, you know, baseball coach I played for when I was 10 and the church. And, you know what I mean?

Like, it was, it was so many people. The church needs to check, man. The church needs a check. We got a building fund, like a fucking, we need a new parking lot. You know what I'm saying? So it was, it was hard. A new, A new Aston Martin. Yes.

Now, Chris, I got to ask him about this. So you're 17 at the time. You're coming into $1.3 million. Do you have an advisor, I'm assuming, not an agent? Because you can't have an agent, right, at the time? I didn't have an agent. No, so I just had an advisor. My mom was actually my agent.

My mom did the deal. So my mom looked in baseball America and saw what the 19th pick got a year before. I think it was like 975. And she was like, give us over a minute. million and he'll sign. Wow. They gave us more Dan O'Dowd gave us 1.3 and I was going the next day. You've only got smart women around you because your wife is an agent as well. And we saw the Jalen Hertz deal not too long ago. Nicole Lynn was in the forefront. How do you feel about seeing all these women at the forefront of all these men's sports? And how does your wife enjoy it?

No, I love it. I think, you know, it's the perfect role for my wife. I mean, obviously, like I just said, we grew up in this game together. And she's seen everything, all of my contracts. She went through all of them. She, you know, did all of my marketing stuff off the field when I got to New York. She was my contact, my day-to-day, everything. So I think a lot of these wives don't give themselves enough credit where they can do this agent job because they're in our lives and managing us every single day.

So I saw how good my wife was at managing me. And I was like, this is what you need to be doing. You know what I mean? Like, you can do that. this at a high level and, you know, she took it serious. She's got her degree. She graduated from college while we were young and, you know, she took the agent's test and she's loving. I mean, this is her life. You know what I'm saying? Like, she's been living this for the last 25 years, so it's nothing new to her. You know a little bit about the football lifestyle in the NFL, like the way

we travel, the amount of games we have, the way our practices or meetings are. It's like, it's kind of a grind. We get treated like kids. Like we got a curfew on the road and shit. you know like what's the difference between you know like i always wondered how awesome it would be to play cards on the on the plane and you know be one city the next and go out to dinner the night before every time is that kind of how it is in baseball uh what's the road like the road is nuts man it's crazy but they just turn you loose yeah so like like me and imagine being a 17 year old and they just throw me in north carolina i got the first place i went was uh burlington north carolina lineer. Like, didn't know how to wash clothes. Didn't know how to do shit. Just throw you out there.

No home family, no nothing. Like, figure it out. With a live fastball. Yeah, I mean, yeah, you're professional now. You know what I'm saying? I was used to going home and like my mom watching my uniform after the game. Like I go home in my uniform after the game. Like, now I got to like shower shoes. I got to take a shower at the stadium. Like, I got to figure all this shit out. So it's a little, it's a little tough at the beginning, just figuring out how to be a pro. Yeah. Because coming from high school, have no fucking idea how to how to be a pro so i couldn't imagine being 17 18 going to the NBA and actually being in NBA arena's like at least i got to go to the minor leagues where there were other 18 19 20 21 year olds around to kind of help me teach me but i moved up the

ranks pretty fast so as i got through you know through the minor leagues i was in double after my first year so i went from i was an 18 year old and there were 25 year olds in my locker room you know what i mean like so you were a baby in those guys drinking beers after the game and shit. I'm calling my mom like some old motherfuckers on this team. Bears and shit after the game. I'm like, what the fuck to do? But it's fun.

It's fun being on, you know, being kind of being cut loose and just learning how to manage being on the road. But yes, it's every single night. You know, I was just talking to Anthony Vopi. He's a shortstop for the Yankees right now. And every night on the road, you know, they either

go to Rizzo's room or judge's room playing video games all night, hanging out and just kind of doing whatever you want to do. All you got to do is just make sure that you up and at the park for stress the next day, which is probably like 4.15. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, like most of the stretch are late in the day. So like, well, guys hit the streets tonight before a little bit. Like, I was kind of wondering, in high school one time, I went out and got drunk. And then the next I hit two bombs. And I was like, you know what? Playing hung over. It kind of works. Like, I don't know if there is there a, is there like any talk, you know, among players that like some

are like, hey, I like playing hungover. Some guys are like, I need my eight hours. How much does it range, you know, like guys' routines on the road? Are there some guys that just shut the door? No, that's just the older generation like us, like our generation. That's how we play. Like David Wells and David Cones and those guys, they love hitting the road or hitting the streets the night before

and having a little, you know, being a little hungover so they can, they said they made them concentrate a little more. And, hey, I'm subscribed to that shit too. that was me in my career. I'm going out. Me and Mark Burley, we pitched against each other so much. He was with the white socks

and I was in Cleveland. We would go out the night before and get drunk and see who could last the longest in the game. That's amazing. Who lasted longer? Who won more? He would always get me.

That's good, man. Oh, that's funny. So like the plane rides, you guys are, I know I saw guys get a ton of money taken playing boo-ray in the NFL. How ugly did it get for some dudes on the planes in the MLB? Yeah, it gets nasty on the planes, man.

It just depends on the team. But you know when you walk into the environment of like this is a gambling, a gambling team. My Yankee teams early in my career, like 09 to 12, we had some big, you know, some big gambling boo-ray pots. But the team I was on in Milwaukee in 2008, we gamble like crazy and it got out of control pretty quick. One time in 2009, we were playing Blu-ray and I won a $46,000 pot

and it was a kid that was a rookie. I didn't make him pay. Oh, that's so good of you. I was fed. Cut of a deal. I still get shit from that. Like people that were on that team still give me shit. I can't take $46,000 from a guy that's a rookie man.

He better send you a fucking Christmas gift every year. Well, if he hit it big, if this guy hit a big, big in the majors. I feel like you could come back for that money, but... He didn't. Okay, well, that was good at you. I just want a Christmas card. Yeah. Yeah. Every year. Yeah.

Hey, can the guys in the MLB still dip? Is that a thing? Like, what did they do with the dip in that sort of thing? You know what? I honestly don't know. The last year that I played, I was still dipping. Yeah. But I don't know if there's a rule. Maybe you can't dip, like, out in the dugout, I don't think.

What was C.C. Sabathia's dip a choice? It was always Copenhagen, mint, always. But it was, I mean, it was two cans a day, though. Yeah, it gets out of control if you're sitting around a lot. And I didn't, I haven't had a dip since the last day I played. Very last game, I threw in the dip, and then the baby, I was in the bullpen, had a dip in that day, and that was the last time I've had a dip. Good for you.

I'm two months clean. You're amazing. I'm on this Zen, dude. I'm on the Zen. You got to get on the Zen train. Oh, it's a, it's a new kind of dip. It's like, it's like a nicotine pouch. There's nothing bad in it.

It's like a Swedish, high-powered, you know what I'm saying? Like a little gets all the Joel. You know why? Because I miss it when I'm fishing. I fish a lot and that's the only time like that I miss like when I'm, I miss throwing a dip in. What do you like to fish for? Red fish and snuck.

Okay, so you go out in the ocean. Yeah, down in Florida. Yeah, Delaware and in the endless. Or I'll go down to Venice, Louisiana. Yeah. Get some red fish down there. Nice. Okay, so before we got into baseball, like now, you know, like, I saw you at the Knicks game.

I'm a Knicks fan. And I was like, oh, we got them on the pod tomorrow. How exciting is it right now in New York? And, like, when it's buzzing, you know, you've been a part of some great teams that were other, you know, the Rangers, the Knicks, rolling. You got your jets and the Mets and all that stuff. But, like, what's it like when New York is buzzing? It was special. It's special.

But this is a basketball town. Yeah. This is a basketball city. And this town loves the Knicks. But it's just they haven't had nothing to cheer for for a long time. But going to the garden last night, it was electric. Like you, going into the garden as a visiting player, you have to account for the noise and the crowd and the atmosphere of Madison Square Garden. You know what I mean?

Like the garden is a fucking star. And it was crazy last night. The amount of people that showed up. And when this, when this, when the sports is good in this town, it's nothing like it, man. I mean, but even more so when the Knicks are good. Like, I couldn't even get out on fucking 34th Street last night. Like, people just won in the street. I mean, you would have thought they won a championship.

Yeah. Like, they won one game. Without Jimmy Butler out there. Without Jimmy Butler, but these fans are starving for the Knicks to win. And if they ever get to the Eastern Conference finals or even the finals, man, it's going to be insane here. How about celebrities, man, like, I know you get so many famous people that are Yankees fans and fans of you and that sort of thing. Was there anybody that you were like starstruck to meet that love the Yankees in your tenure?

I think the Denzel Washington. Oh, he's a yeah, he's a Yankees fan. He's a big Yankees fan. Oh, that's so cool. He knows a lot of Yankees history, you know. So that's pretty cool. You know, I always love talking to Fat Joe about baseball because he grew up in, the Bronx and he grew up and he worked at a bodega right around the corner from the Yankee Stadium.

Okay. So a lot of those old guys would come in his bodega on the way to the stadium. So he's got stories of, you know, all these different guys that came through the Bronx in the 70s and 80s that he worked at the bodega that he got to see like playing for the Yankees. So he's got some cool stories. How good would Shoha Tani look in Pinchripes? Man. I mean, I'm praying that he's coming.

to the Bronx. I mean, I think everybody's, you know, got him going to the Dodgers. And I think, you know, the Dodgers held back this offseason from signing guys to maybe sign him. But I've said, I got to caught a lot of flak for saying this shit, you know, three years ago. But he's the best baseball player I've ever seen. Like, this is the best that the players have ever been right now.

And it's not even close. Guys are throwing 100, 200, fucking five miles an hour. And he's the best player. Yeah. He hits the ball the furthest. He throws the ball the hardest. He runs the fastest. He's literally the best player we've ever seen at a time when the players are the best.

So, I mean, it's incredible. I watched him play one inning of one game. And I said, oh, shit, this guy is fucking, he's the best I've ever seen. It's incredible. So what stands out, you named all the things. You named all the tools. Yeah. Six tool player.

What's the sharpest one on his, like, Spiderweb? Like, what's the furthest one from normal? I think that the pitching, because he's getting better as a pitcher. Yeah. If you just watch him, like, he's going to be close to winning the Sight Young. Like, what happens if he wins the Sight Young and hits 40 fucking homers in the season? What are they going to say? What happens if he wins the Sight Young and hits 20 homers in the season?

Like, nobody's ever fucking done that before. Like, I think he's getting better as a pitcher. And his hitting is going to be his hitting. He is what he is. He's 6-6, 250 fucking pounds. like he's going to always be able to hit. But like as a starter, him being able to go seven, eight, nine

innings and fucking dominating games like that, like, it's crazy. Have you been to a game in Japan? I haven't, man. I was supposed to go to the World Baseball Classic this year.

And I got my trip got canceled, but I'm looking forward to see, I want to see him in Japan. Yeah, I want to see that too. We should just, we should all go in on the charters. So we don't have to go.

I can just do run. Like a bitch, boom. Show hay, throw nine to hit two bombs. Yeah, I got to clear that with my wife. So you said guys are throwing like 105 now, that sort of thing. And, you know, one of the, well, I got two fucking powerful pitches on here. Kyle was a lefty throwing, what, 96, Kyle?

I mean, I don't know. Yeah, you're playing humble. But now guys are throwing, you said it. Like, it's otherworldly. How did it get there? You know, because, like, it's not like human beings evolved in the past 20 years. like what was it about technique or training or or you know like what was it that made guys get more velocity and movement guys they're teaching velocity now whereas like when we grew up they didn't

teach us velocity you just had to be able to throw hard right like now they have the weighted ball programs and all these different things where they can teach you velocity like I can take my 12 year right now and take him in in five years I can make him throw 90 miles an hour yes that don't mean he's he gonna know where the fucking ball's going right yeah so that's why now it's a lot less pitchers and a lot more throwers. Guys are more like mid-relievers and less like long starters where they go out for four or five innings throw the ball as hard as they can and then they get the next guy to do that, you know what I mean?

But if you watch the teams that actually win and go deep into the playoffs and win the the World Series, they have three or four actual starters. Horses. Six, seven innings in the game and in their bullpen is rested and they're not using their bullpen in April like they're using in October. I think that's how some of these teams that build super bullpins, even the Yankees, we've done that the last couple of years, where we build these super bullpins and then you take the starter out in the sixth inning, the whole season, and now you're using this

formula with 6-7-8, 7-8-9, these guys have to be perfect for you to win a game. So, you know, I think it's going to change back, though. You're leaning on plan B as opposed to coming with your strongest plan A. Yeah, I mean, your starter is the, the, you know, the, you know, the, you're the, you know, best guy. I would always tell Gerardi this. He would come out and he'd be like, hey, I got somebody warming up. Well, I'll be like, me at 90 pitches is better than

whoever the fuck you got out there warming up. Unless it's Mariano. Yeah. Unless it's Mo. You ain't bringing nobody else in. Unless you're metallic. Because me at 95, 100 pitches is better than that middle reliever. I'm going to fuck who it is. Yeah. Did you have superstitions

as a pitcher? I know it's like y'all are highly superstitious athletes. What were the weirdest superstitions in the clubhouse? And did you have any? I mean, there was a lot. I think baseball players are highly superstitious. I mean, the day that I pitched, I always had to eat the same breakfast. My wife had to make me the same breakfast every day.

It was grits, eggs, potatoes, and bacon. A real breakfast. When I was younger, I didn't eat breakfast. I would just go, before I went to the game, I would go to Wendy's and get a big bacon classic and two fries and a sprite. That's what I would pitch on. I was pitching on that. That's great.

That sounds delicious. So all my superstitions revolved around time. Like I had to be in the hot tub at a certain time. I had to be on the training table, getting scraped at a certain time. My hitters meeting had to start at a certain time. I walked, like I put on my uniform, button up the last button at the, at the, at, like, it was 5, 636 for a 7 o'clock game. And at 638, I had to be walking out of the locker room. So it was just all about time with me.

but like Derek like Jeter he had superstition where he would eat the same thing every day peanut butter and honey sandwich every single day um he would go to Starbucks every single day it's just guys that like because we play every day you know what I mean it just kind of becomes a part of your routine so I heard Derek described um I worked with somebody one of my PTs had worked with him and just raved about him as a guy but they said he's the most regular person like he's super down to earth like you would not know that he was one of the most famous athletes on the planet

for a period of time is that accurate and what kind of guy was he day to day? Yeah, just a regular dude man I mean still to this day I mean that's the best way to describe him and for me I think you know I like to people

to get to know his personality because people always say he's dry and he don't really give you nothing the dude's hilarious like if you know him and you're around them he talks a lot of shit, you know what I'm saying? Like he gets on people a lot and, and he's just fun to be around. But he is the most regular, you know, superstar that I've ever been around.

Like, guy that's, you know, gets recognized everywhere, but he's just a normal guy. His family's like that, too. His sister's really cool. Part of our family, his mom and his dad. I'm really close with his nephew. So, you know, our families are really close. There's so many great nicknames in sports. You know, I'm thinking of the sheriff and all these guys.

But the captain. It's like, that's got to be the best one, right? Yeah, and it means so much because it's the captain of the Yankees. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like the history of the Yankees kind of coincides with the history of baseball. So to be a captain of, you know, the Yankees. And now Aaron Judge, you know, having that title is super cool to see. And how's your relationship with Aaron Judge?

It seems like you guys are really cool. I've followed a little back and forth between y'all. What's it like seeing a guy like that kind of, seems like the perfect face of a franchise. Yeah, man, he's always been the same. You know, he's the same regular guy down to earth. I remember the very first day I met him. It was at the Oakland Coliseum.

He had just got drafted. He came in with his parents and just a mountain of a dude. You know what I mean? You're like, holy shit. Like, if he could ever put it together, I mean, it's going to be incredible. And, you know, him coming up through the ranks in that very first year, I think it was 2016 when he came up, hit a home run, his first. that bat and then he struggled, but then he came back in 17 and ended up hitting 50.

So just watching him evolve and, you know, how much he cares about being out there and posting every day and, you know, he had taken care of his body so that he can play center field. You know, he really cares about, you know, winning and going out and trying to win a ballgame every single day. That's the thing that he's most focused on. Now, taking care of your body is obviously paramount and I deteriorated quickly in the NFL because I had six, six surgeries and five seasons end on IR. I got a broken neck, leg, all that shit. You had to deal with the length of a career going from a 17-year-old to a 40-year-old playing in the MLB.

You were a physical gift of God. Like when you first came out, your arm is just like nothing you've ever seen. And by the end, you have to kind of reinvent yourself. That process is a lot tougher than just saying, okay, I'm a different guy now. walk me through that. Yeah, no, I wish that I had the work ethic that I had when I was 30 that I had when I was 17. I wish somebody would have took me to the weight room and they're like, hey, like, you're going to have this long career. You know, you can avoid all of these different injuries, knee, all this different stuff.

If you do a little work at the beginning, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like I did, you guys, I did no fucking work when I was young. Like I was just a big guy. I was, you know, a kid and I was, I was just gifted, like you said. So I felt like I didn't need to work. You know what I'm saying? And at the time when I first came up, it was the steroid error.

So the way I saw it, all the guys that were working out were on steroid. Right, right, right, right. All the guys that were like normal body were just doing it like me. Where they come in the spring training, get ready. And, you know, I did that for as long as I could until I started having the knee problems. and, you know, pulling my oblique around 25, 26, and got into a little better routine. But I just, I wish I had that foundation earlier, you know, so that I could have sustained. I mean, I ended up playing 19 years, but it was a struggle, you know, I think I had ended up having nine knee surgeries,

elbow surgery, toe surgery, different things in the middle of my career that I could have avoided had I been, you know, as discipline as I am now. you know what I mean with my diet and everything you know doing doing the early part of my career because I would be pitching sometimes at 335 3 30 you know what I mean like it was bro I got to 352 and it's a different light it's a different planet we're living on when you're 325 it's like the earth treats your body differently I can see it Kyle when you were big I'd see you in the tunnel out of the game I was like goddamn little bro like was just thicker. Why are you breathing so loud?

You can carry it. You know what I'm saying? You carry it so you just feel fine with you. Like, oh, I'm good. Yeah. But like, nah, that shit takes a toll on you, man. And now you're lean. Like, I saw you at the Drake show and it was like, God damn, that's C-C right there. He looks great. First, I thought you were at D-N or somebody I played against, and then obviously we spoke. But it's, uh, it's fabulous to see where you're at. I'm in a better routine. You know what I mean? Like, the baseball life ain't taking his toll anymore. I'm not getting home at midnight and eating after the games and, you know, waking up at, I would wake up at like this time now,

like 12.30 for a 7 o'clock game. So, you know, now I'm going to bed on time. I'm in bed by 9, 30, 10 o'clock. I'm at the gym every morning. Just left the gym right now. Like, I'm in a good routine. The food is good. And I feel so much better. And, you know, I mean, I got four kids. I want to see my grandkids. I want to be around for a long time, man. So I'm really into this health thing right now. So I want to be as lean. And, and, um, healthy as possible right now. Was it frustrating because like in the NFL there's a bunch of guys on some shit but guys don't talk about it and I was naive thinking everybody else out here is just working as hard as I am but then I'd see some of these guys bodies and I was like damn dude you know there's

no way I'm doing everything I can like was it in baseball it seems like a little bit more open were guys talking about it like in the in the clubhouse like you know sharing tips or that sort of thing and was it frustrating to face guys that you knew were not natural? It wasn't a secret. It wasn't a secret. No, I don't know, because I wasn't in those conversations. I don't know what they'll, like,

I wasn't in those circles, so I don't know what those conversations were, but I know I could walk by, like, lockers and see shit. You know what I'm saying? Like, it wasn't a secret at all. And like you, I was super naive. I was like, I felt like these motherfuckers need something to face me. You know what I mean?

they had never seen nothing in the league like me. I'm 6-5, 275 pounds throwing from the left side. Like, yeah, y'all might need a little something to face me. So I always felt like, you know, I felt good that I wasn't on anything, you know, like going against these guys that had that need a little help. So now I didn't know. It's, yeah. I was young enough and naive enough to think that I was just as good.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Now, did any of these roided up guys ever charged the mound? Did anybody charge the mound on you? I never got charged. Yeah, I had surprised, surprise. Not one time, not one time. Could major league pitchers be, like, obviously you were a great hitter at one point in your career,

like whether it was when you were young or whatever, and then you take this path where you focus on pitching. And I know there's like Otani's out there, and I think was it Ankeel could hit. Yes, Rick and Keel was. But like how many guys can actually, like, if they had focused on hitting, how many major league hiters are their, you know, pitching? there's a lot and there's a lot of guys in my generation. Like you said, Rick and Kill is one of the guys. But like if if those guys would have been able to like hone in on their hitting skills at like the same time as pitching, I don't think anybody would be as good as show hey.

Yeah, no, no. Yeah. I mean, trying to think of like Mike Hampton. You guys remember Mike Hampton, really good hitter. Yeah. Trying to think who else. Zambrano was a switch hitter, he was a really good hitter. I'm just trying to think about Bartolo.

Don't Charles Willis, yeah. Dr. Bartolo was a home run. Took a while to get around the base. I think it would have been a couple of guys that could do it at a high level, but I don't think anybody could do it like this guy's doing it, you know? Yeah. What do you think about the pitch clock, man? You know, a lot of people have made a big deal out of it.

Some fans actually like the game longer, it turns out. You know, you having to go through. that, you know, without the pitch clock, what do you, what do you see when you watch games now? And what are the challenges that people aren't thinking about with communication or technique or, you know, just execution for pitchers? Man, I love the pitch clock. I wish they had that shit when I was playing. Nobody wanted to play fucking four-hour games.

You don't want to start a game at 7 o'clock and get home at midnight or 1230. I watched the game the other night. It was the eighth inning. It was an hour and 45 minutes into the game. Yeah. It's perfect. It's digestible. It's a product that we can watch.

watch. It's not like, and you're not missing action. You're not missing anything. You're not missing anything at the late in the game. You know, it's 15 to two games taking two and a half hours. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like it's just getting rid of all of the bullshit. It's the game that I watched growing up in the 80s and 90s. You know what I mean? Like this is something that two and a half, you know, maybe three hours. Um, and, and it's a lot of action. You know, like you're seeing without the shift, you're seeing, you know, balls getting through now. You're seeing diving, more diving plays. I'm really excited about the rule changes that we've been seeing and, you know, hopefully the fans can hop on board. I mean, but I feel like there's more families

going back to the ballpark now, especially early in the year. Schools still in, but if a game starts at 6 o'clock and you know it's going to be over at 8.30, you can take your kids to the game. You know what I mean? Like on a school night now. So there's more families, the attendance is up. So I'm really excited and happy about the rule change. I wish they had that shit. my last year playing, playing fucking red-sized games, four and a half fucking hours on Sunday night baseball. Then you got to fly all the way to the West Coast. You know what I mean?

The Yankees schedule is so hard. People don't understand that our getaway days. Like, so tonight is a getaway day. Like, they're playing the guardians tonight and you know, the guardians fly away. Normally, getaway day is a day game. You play a day game because the team wants to get out. Well, not

with the Yankees because you want to get all of that gate. Yeah, you want to get all of that gate. You want to make sure as many people as possible. to the game. So we always get a night game. So now having that game being two hours makes a huge difference for us. One last question here. You know, unwritten rules are big in baseball.

Sometimes they make my head spin. I'm like, what the fuck? Why can't that guy do that? Like, what? I can't pimp home runs. But pitchers can fucking do all this shit when they strike somebody out. Like, I'm watching Madison Baumgartner. He's getting mad at people. I'm like, I'm like, bro, like, what's the big deal? I mean, you're doing a whole routine when you start.

somebody out. What are some of the unwritten rules that you think are just like garbage? All of them. I hate it all. It's, you know how hard it is to hit a fucking home run? If you hit a home run, bro, you should be able to walk the bases backwards. The only people that get mad about celebrations are the motherfuckers that lose.

The pitchers that give up the home run, the team that lost, like, get off the fucking deal. The dad watching their kid from the game. He can't do that. If you don't want to see you celebrate, throw a better fucking pitch or play better. You know what I'm saying? Like don't fucking lose. Don't lose. I love it. I love

it. This is great. And I want to plug your podcast, man, because hopefully me and Kyle are going to be on there soon as R2C2, which is a Star Wars reference. We got May the 4th coming up. It's R2C2 with Ryan Rucco and me

and Kyle hopefully will get on there soon. Who's your favorite Star Wars character for the people that are celebrating May 4th? Oh, Yoda. I dressed up as Yoda my last year. They gave me a Star Wars, Bobbo Head. I was a Jedi. So I dressed up as Yodin drove to the stadium and passed out fucking bobbleheads that day. That's great.

Star Wars is great. We love the Mandalorian in my house. Oh, my God. I just finished the last season. It was incredible. I got to watch it. I got to line up. Yeah, you got to watch it.

Well, C.C. Sabathia, man. This has been really cool, man. One of the best. Love watching your play. And look forward to coming on your pod, too. Enjoy May the 4th. Okay, ma'am? Oh, for sure, man.

I appreciate you guys having me. I've always been big fans and big fan of your pops too. So thank you guys. Thank you, C.C. Thanks, dude. Thanks for coming. Appreciate the time. Cash app.

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Okay. So where do we go from here, Mike? Yeah, here's a new fun little segment. It's called Sick House or Not Sick House, okay? I name someone of note, and you guess whether this person lives in a sick house or not a sick house. Richard Petty, the King. Definitely a sick house, okay? I'm seeing a stocked pond.

I'm seeing a big closet, a lot of hats. I'm seeing a lot of cherrywood, some antler chandeliers. What? So it's not sick. The house. How do you know that's not just like it's not sick? You know, like an LLC, like a house version of an LLC. Like the big house is in the back.

Kingston not. Go to second row and then go three over. So that's the one with all the roof. It's a one-story joint. Now it's nice and long. That's in Randleman, North Carolina. But the guy's worth close to $100 million if you're, if you believe. He might be my hero.

The internet. And that's like a $6,000, $700,000 spot, which, hey, plenty of money, but relative to net worth, not very high. Yeah, there's not a big stocked pond in the back like I thought there'd be with a go-cart track around it. So the king is rolling around on PJs to tracks all around the country to go to the races, but when he goes home, it's a humble abode. It's a very humble abode.

Like here's an interior here. You got a lot of... Sealings are like eight feet. Yeah, like seven and a half maybe. He doesn't live in that house. I swear to you, dude. And the reason I know is because he lets his family host a wedding venue on the property at the randle it's called uh gotta have some view it's called reverie

reverie place is what they're calling it at any rate um what a night for a dance you know i'm a dancing machine and this isn't meant to be judgmental at all no uh we he does he does it seems like that's what they were after but they just misspelled it well reverie a state of being pleasantly lost in one's thought a daydream nah they were after this okay Okay, right about that. He does have a gate with some brass peas on it for Petty. That's good. Hosted a function for...

Do you have a garage? The guy drove fucking race cars. Is there a garage on the property? I think there is a garage. There's a small pool. But no, very humble. Modest, modest spot for the king. Okay.

Hosted a Trump front fundraiser there I saw on the IG page. Yeah. I will say this about Richard Petty. The one time I saw him in person, I was at Martinsville and went down for a race. They also like Trump there. I was walking through the bowels of Martinsville. It's an old racetrack. That's why a lot of the racing enthusiasts like it, because it's a short track, I think.

That's right. And it's like not too fast. It's a lot of wrecks because you can't build up speed. But it's like this kind of like a Lambeau field type thing of NASCAR. I don't want to say it. So he's been in that same house. Yeah, he hasn't moved out of that house. I like that about it.

I do, I do too. Like it a lot. Well, as a real estate agent, I would think you wouldn't like that a lot. Well, yeah, well. All your best friends move a lot. Well, hey. Hey, I want to move. I'd love to move to this place in Randleman, North Carolina, but this guy won't move.

So maybe Charlottesville. Yeah, you know, I like it. Got it. Yeah. So, so anyways, I'm walking through the battles of Martinsville, and I've walked by a lot of great athletes. I've seen a lot of people in person, but few had the aura. But this cat had. He had the Rick James aura.

You know, famously, I think Charlie Murphy on Chappelle's show was talking about how Rick James had an aura. Richard Petty had an aura, bro. He walked through that hallway with his sunglasses and his hat, and it was like Moses parting the Red Sea,

people just kind of got out of the way. And when he walked by, I mean, he just left awake five miles wide. You could just... So for a guy to live in a humble abode and leave that kind of a... It's dope. Yeah.

You know what was a miss? We did that best sports accessories draft. Oh, great. We should have drafted his hat. No question. That was a huge miss. Yeah. We should do best athlete homes.

We should. Yeah. Richard Petty came to Grandparents Day at the school I went to when I was but a young tyke in Richmond, Virginia. I didn't even know what NASCAR was, and I knew I had just seen the cool. guy I'd ever seen today. Yeah, it's also rare that a sport has its biggest legend in its whole history still alive. You know, it'd be like seen Babe Ruth walking through. That's a good ass point. Exactly. And having, you know, somebody like Kenny Chesney sing about you doesn't hurt. Yeah. You know? Gas, pedal sticks. Yeah. Carries my car away.

Gas, pedal sticks. Pretty good. Carries my car away. I was going as fast as a rambler goes. What happened after that? You skip right to the chorus. Now I know how Richard Petty feels. That's right. That's how forever feels. I can feel the speed from the head to the toes.

I was going as fast as a rambler goes. Yeah. Did you guys see the Grizzlies tell Dylan Brooks that he will not be back with the team? under any circumstances. Incredible. It's incredible to me. Like, I play with a lot of assholes.

And I don't think I've ever heard that language used. Same. And it's like, almost like the Grizzlies are apologizing to the rest of the league and being like, we don't, we don't condone this. So don't take us, don't, no bullet and board material going into 2023 season. It's like they're getting out in front of future transgressions.

Exactly. Exactly. We, we disavowed long before. banished him. Like they told him never come back. So yeah, I did see that. Do you think they should catch some flack for that though? It's like, I agree they shouldn't bring Dylan Brooks back.

But to say that about a player that you've developed and played and theoretically supported over years to just be like, nope. I don't think there's anything wrong with it. This guy had transcended assholedom. Yeah. I mean, he just... Trash talking to LeBron in the playoffs was pretty dumb. Just bad decisions.

Heaven forbid. Bad decision making. No, I mean, like, yeah, you can talk shit to LeBron, but, you know, beat Kevin Durant. People used to get mad when people would talk shit to Jordan because that would get him going. And we talk about that now, like, it's this mythology. Like, I don't think Braun's that different. Yeah, well, yeah, Bron, after that three-point play to seal that game on Dylan Brooks, looked like he knew exactly who he hit the shot on. And, I mean, this guy is just, and he can't shoot.

Yeah. I mean, he doesn't add much. offensively. I agree. But is there anything you guys wouldn't bring back into your life under any circumstances? Like Dylan Brooks kind of things. Yeah. Jaeger Meister. Pepperment Snops. Had an incident with peppermint schnapps, talked about it on the pod before. Is that like, what's a peppermint patty? Pepperment patty is like a chocolate peppermint snack. It's about the size of a sand dollar, small sand dollar holy shit I'm so stupid

I never realized it's like a patty like a burger patty yeah it's a burger patty never thought of that yeah they're really good it was Irish but peppermint snobs is not especially when you chug

like the whole bottle you end up without your clothes somewhere that you don't remember you were yeah peppermint schnaps in college they would say I don't mean for sex I mean I was walking around in the woods

like like a Yeti like a two-e somebody saw me walking out of the woods onto JPA. I said I wasn't on JPA last night. Peppermint Schnapps were on JPA last night. You might have been doing peppermint patties. No, I wouldn't know. Yeah. Yeah. In college they'd say open your mouth and they pour a bunch of stuff then you have to swish it around. No, no, then you take it down. Here's another thing. Uh, bleached hair. Mm-hmm. That wouldn't be one for both of us. Nate posted this picture the other day. Oh, yeah, Kingston had it too. Uh, I don't know why we bleached

our hair probably to piss our parents off. Well, but your mom did it. My mom did it, yeah. Yeah, your mom died, got our hair. Red for some reason. Me, I just looked like... Jacked him and M. Jacked M.

Yeah. The only time ever I have my picture in the paper, I had bleached hair. Yeah, from that. Well, it's funny because I see the pictures from back then. That was my rival's picture. Mm-hmm. So I look... It's funny when I did my rivals picture.

You know, you're a private school kid. Like, people are like, yeah, this is. guy's a pussy whatever and then uh and then you know like he he's not he's not yeah so you get as big as you can i was like 255 i was i was man in high school i was as strong as i've ever been because i was working so hard and we had such a great strength coach i could do step-ups with two 75 right now i do step-ups with 40-pound umbells in my hands so like that's the the toll of a career and all that stuff but back then i was a fucking machine and uh you went to accessorize with a ford No, it wasn't a four Bronco.

An A shirt, formerly known as wife beater. You can't say that. So I had an A shirt. I got a pump on. I went to Package Depot where my buddy Jeff had a parking lot that I could take the picture. And he had this big lifted F350. So I just posed in front of it. And I crossed my arms.

And with the knuckles, you've got to push your biceps out, right? Any hard-o picture taker knows this. And I threw it on rivals. Did you really? Did you, you uploaded the pictures in those days? I don't think so. I don't know how it worked back then. There was no cloud.

Deer rivals. I think I had to take a picture on like a real camera and get it scanned. I think this was a scanner days. This is zoomed in, but look at that. You got the, you got like one eye a little more open than the other. Yep, yep. Like every tough kid. Wow.

That's why you got to do the head tilt in the team picture too. You do the head tilt? I was always head tilt. Yeah, you were. I was big head. Me and I were big head tilt guys. Yeah. You guys got in a fight one time.

Yeah, if you call it that. Tell people why we got in a scuffle with the guy. We ever talked about this? We have not. I got it. So, for some reason, the three of us. He does got it because he was on, he was, he was, he was tiptoe on both sides, what he was doing. He was, he was.

Well, you guys weren't on the wacky. He was homie hopping. Mm-hmm. Well, we were part of a crew called Jack Wilson's. And there was another crew called Delta Si. They called themselves Delta Si. Team Burner. Fat boys.

We called them Team Burner. Team Burner. Look at us all now. More of the lax bros kind of preparer guys. And we had kind of like a fake war that started fake with paintball guns and eggs. And then it got progressively more real. And so there were actually bad feelings. Well, you know, I think what got one of the guys was and we used to.

to we used to wait until they pulled out like we'd know where they were on like a Friday night and wait till they pulled out and we'd all be in the truck with paintball guns and they'd be going down the road and we'd be out the sunroof just lighting their shit up bro one time we lit up bro bro bro collared and he was like hey let's call him is in the lot well why because we went to play a varsity basketball game across town come out to the truck tires are slashed. Right. Like they're all, he's basically,

might as well be on blocks. I remember seeing you try to clean your truck up at the car wash in the middle of winter with paints all over it. Oh yeah, because they paintballed my truck. They got mine too. So tell them about the night. One burner was found.

This was like middle of the day, this one. And he's at the country club, parked at the country club. And it's like, I'm in front of him. How far away are you guys? You and I were together like, we'll be there. ASAP, just keep them right behind you. So, T-R-N-A-Sap, is on like a 35-40-mile-an-hour road with the guy behind them.

By the time we catch up, that is in the Bronco, I think. I'm hanging out the passenger-side door with a paintball gun, like literally hanging out it. You're flying by everybody in the middle lane. That's been going about 10 miles per hour for several minutes. We look like ISIS. We look like ISIS. But Nysus or something. So then we were a bunch of private school little bitches.

We really were. I swear to you, we rolled past 75 cars. We're like, what in the world, what kind of accident is in front of us that we're going 10 miles an hour? Yeah, I thought there was an wreck. No, it was just boxing him in. And then we're going 60 miles an hour passing everybody on the left. And then we finally get up to the guy and just light them up.

Light him up with paint bottles. There was one time this dude pulls out at night. He was high on drugs. And he was high on drugs. Okay. And we knew he was high on drugs. So we just got in front of his truck. And man,

when I tell you we turn that shit into a fucking Jackson Pollock painting his windshield, he couldn't see shit. And it was actually dangerous. He had to pull over the whole thing. We were in front of them, behind them, on the side of them, all sides. We were fucking with their parents going to their houses. I apologize to the parents because now I'm in the shoes. And Macon's parents got fucked with it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was cool. Yeah. Mayor got shot at. Shot at? Yeah. I was there. Really?

Yeah. No way. I swear on. swear to God. She went out to see like what's the thwunk, thwunk hitting like the side of the house. It was paintballs and then pow, pow, pow. That's kind of hardcore. Yeah, pretty hardcore. Yeah. I was wondering, Chris, if you remember this one, like, Makin and I, like, we were on the other side of it. They found out where we were and they started chasing down me and Makes. So I had the genius idea. I thought to go park at the headmaster's house. In his driveway.

Because I knew he was out of town. Yeah. And I was like, well, they're not going to shoot. How'd you know he was out of town? I was dating his daughter at the time. So we pull in there and we've also- Yeah, we cut the lights and we've also called you because we're like little wimps and we're like protection. And so all they light us up anyway, but you show up in your A shirt with a baseball bat

and scare the fuck out of everybody and they all flee. My parents found out about it unfortunately when they received a call from the police asking if I wanted to press charges against one of the burners. No shit. I was going to ask. We don't snitch though. I was going to ask how did it, how did you explain it to your parents?

Maybe when mayor got shot out where we were shit. Like, what is that? They were pretty much aware of what was going on. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. I mean, you don't remember this. I remember Big Howie helping us on an escape. Like, people had come to your house.

Out the back of your joint. We went out the back of your place, your parents' place. And then Big Howie was talking to them through the gate speaker. like oh yeah oh shit yeah yeah hardcore anyways that was uh if you enjoy hearing about our high school experience