Green Light with Chris Long - Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson! Favorite NFL WRs, Taking Viagra & Ocho The Stripper + Best Athlete Brands!

Episode Date: June 6, 2025

Chad Johnson jumps on the mic and has a blast and a half of an episode with Chris Long and Beau Allen at Geno's Steaks in Philadelphia at the launch of Madden 26, featuring Saquon Barkley. Chad goes anywhere and everywhere, detailing his days living at the Cincinnati Bengals facility, being a stripper in college, working with Bill Belichick at Inside the NFL, taking viagra to have just a little more bloodflow during games & details his favorite NFL WRs! It's a wild ride only Ocho can take us on! And then Chris, Macon and Beau wrap things up with a few questions on this Freak Show FRIDAY! (00:00:00) Intro (00:02:17) Saquon and Chad at Geno's Steaks in Philly (00:14:45) Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson on Bill Belichick, Stripping in College, Taking Viagra & His Favorite NFL WRs (00:53:26) Freak Show Friday Mailbag: Best Athlete Brands, Best NFL Facility To Live & Signs Someone Means Business! Make sure to pre-order Madden 26 at the link below. https://www.ea.com/games/bundles/mvp-bundle/buy Have some interesting takes, some codebreaks or just want to talk to the Green Light Crew? We want to hear from you. Call into the Green Light Hotline and give us your hottest takes, your biggest gripes and general thoughts. Day and night, this hotline is open. Green Light Hotline: ‪[phone]‬ In need of sweet threads to vibe like Chris and the fellas? Check out ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠the website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ for everything merch wise and enjoy for 25% off your entire order in celebration of the 2025 NFL Draft! sitewide! Also, check out our paddling partners at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Appomattox River Company ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠to get your canoes, kayaks and paddleboards so you're set to hit the river this summer. Green Light's ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube Channel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, where you can catch all the latest GL action: Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

If you were to make a movie in Hollywood about a football player on the team that's bad, this should be the ending. That's exactly right. It's to be the ending. Like, perfect. It's on the roof of the most famous steakhouse in Philly. Oh my God, I used to f*** a strip back in 97-98. That's so funny.

Well, my stage name was Twix. I'm disgusted. I've never seen anything like Stevie Johnson. Still to this day, the only person I'm scared of is God. Are this live? No. No, it's not live. Oh, no.

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Welcome to the Greenlight podcast. It's Ocho Ton. Chad Ochocinco Johnson joins us. We recorded this interview at Gino's for the Madden 26 Reveal. Chad was nice enough to stop by. He talked with Chris and Bo. And I don't think there's been a more entertaining interview on Greenlight. A blast and a half, absolutely wild.

We go everywhere from Chad's stripping days in college to living at the facility in Cincinnati to working with Bill Belichick and Chris on its. the NFL. Chris Bowen making clean things up and end things on a little freak show Friday, answer a few questions, and have a good bit of fun. Enjoy today and we'll be back next week with some great guests. Welcome to the Greenlight podcast. I'm your host Chris Long and today my brain's not working. You're tired? Dude, I am so tired. I'm so tired. Bo, you know a little bit about this. I'm living with chronic pain. You got that low T. I can't sleep at night.

It's more the shoulder and the C spine. Yeah, so. Macon can give you a nice little massage. Nah, no, no. Probably not. I'll pass. But would you consider- Macon has nice fingers, like a pianist.

He does have like the hands of a pianist. Yeah. Would you consider suing the NFL? No, but the guy that keeps calling us and telling us that we can't have the Super Bowl trophies in the background or or use NFL game film at the risk of being fined by the NFL. Maybe we just call it even because the entire

right side of my body is a fucking train wreck. I wonder how that happened. I was on the phone with William Hayes the other night. We were complaining about all the things wrong with us. And he was like, man, you're right side too? Yeah, well, I wonder where we played. Left end in the NFL. I was on the phone with my dad last night.

I was on the phone with my dad last night. All his stuff is right. side. Quinky dink? I think not. Sounds genetic. Yeah, genetic. You know what he did give me, though?

The sixth finger on my right hand. You guys know that. A left hand. I was born with six fingers on my left hand. So was my dad. Yeah? He didn't give me the Hall of Fame genetics, but he didn't give me a six finger on the left hand. I thought you were about to say it that, say that he kept it from when they cut it off.

No, but he gave me the sixth finger. You know how you keep kids' hair and stuff in a bag? That would have been incredible. 21st birthday. Here you go. Finger fairy. You're under your pillow. I kept his digit.

Put it in the fridge. If you had the ability to decide at that age to keep the finger or not. Keep. Really? Absolutely. I think, I agree. Could have had it in a jar here. Right, right, right.

You know? Or no, no, no, keep it on your hand. Like, not get it. Take it. Oh, no, I wouldn't have got it. You wouldn't have kept it. Really? No, it was mostly. Think about gaming. PC gaming?

Extra finger? It was useless. That'd be great. It was useless. It would have been a nice pornographer. No. You could be one hell of a throwing of things. That's true.

Growing of things. Yeah. Anything you wanted to. No, it would be a take my strong hand type situation. Jerking off. I'm just saying. I don't know how that would help, frankly. It might even hurt.

You don't know until you know. Well, if you're into stuff like that guys what are we doing today we're just uh gonna dick around a little bit dick around a little bit we had chad johnson we interviewed him yeah back of genos uh right after sayquan barclay the other day it was a tremendous we i mean i think you guys had about as much fun as we've had on the show we had a lot of fun that was a big trip for us you know like i'll just be honest for a second and say uh because i am not honest at any other point in this show but saquan barclay you know, being on the Madden cover is huge.

What's huge for us is being able to be like the podcast that Madden wanted to roll that out on. And, you know, it's pretty cool. I mean, like, listen, the fucking guy that showed up late in his career in Philly and played a role on a really good team, you know, I get a lot of perks. This is one of them. I'd like to think we earn that a little bit here at this podcast and, you know, positioning ourselves in a place where we can get these cool opportunities.

You know, we're sitting in the back of Gino's and you got Sequin jumping over a cheese steak and there's hundreds of people outside and it's a real buzz in the air around it. And then like, you know, my kids getting to go and, you know, my oldest son plays Madden with me a little bit. So does my six year old. He doesn't really know what he's doing, but he plays. And getting to meet Sequin, getting to like see what we do. It's pretty gratifying. Like there's some days at work where you're like, my kids think I'm pretty cool.

and that was one of them so score it was awesome i do want to say this and i'll be careful how i say it like philly fans like we didn't pick genos okay like so you know madden picked genos just a little like look under the hood sometimes in content there are multiple partners uh at work you know the the content arm the distribution arm and the advertisement arm and it comes together to make this soup that you call a YouTube video that's branded in some way. And so our job was to create the content. It wasn't our job to pick Gino's, which I thought was a fine establishment.

But there were a lot of comments like, oh, you guys, for fuck's sake, you didn't even pick the best one. Oh, there's better. I don't care. Can I just, like one more time? I just don't care. Like, at the risk of some of y'all being like,

well, we don't love you anymore. Like, I'm sorry, not everybody's going to agree with you on everything. It's just it's not that important Saquan Barkley's on the cover of Madden enjoy it If you like Ishqibibbles better That's great Madden didn't think Ishqibibbles was the right place

To do this rollout You have to admit Gino's is iconic at the very least Even if you don't like their cheese steaks So just to let you know how this works Like we weren't like yeah As a guy who spent two years in Philly Let me send Sequan down to Gino's Did we get the clock?

We're trying Okay Yeah yeah yeah yeah They treated us well. They had a great little, you know, area for us to record. And I tell you, like, everybody knows their cheese steaks are pretty good. Meatball subs are really good as well. Yeah.

You guys had a few. I had one. Apparently, that was a code break. Can I give Chris a little bit of a shout out to it? Chris, I'll jump on any opportunity to shit on you, but you're interviewing Sequin in the back of a packed cheese steak restaurant with everyone around slinging steaks, people breaking up. ice, people yelling out order numbers, the phone ringing. My kids fidgeting in the back. Your kids watching intently every single move that Seekua makes like very impressive interview, man. It was very genuine. It was very authentic. And, you know, it was a tough atmosphere for that.

So I applaud you. Tip of the cap. I appreciate you. You guys made it easy. And we also got Chad. As you know, we got Chad today. And Deshaun Jackson is banked for next week. And I know people don't love this pod being like overly philly centric and we're aware of that like we're not trying to do a philly pod like i hope that doesn't disappoint some of y'all but it just so happens sometimes the opportunities we get are philly centric so you know when we get a disson or in this case a saquan like we're going to take the opportunity and uh you know i think what you'll find is with deshawn when you hear him next week the interview is not all about the eagles very little of it is about the eagles it's about him coaching college football it's about the way the culture around college

ball's changed, maybe some of his regrets in the NFL, for instance, and, you know, just talking about wide receiver play. The Chad Johnson interview that you're going to hear today is about a lot of things. Let me just put it that way. The table of contents looks randomized. So enjoy that one. Chad is just a beautiful human being. He is truly one in a million. Like my wife, when we got home was like he really doesn't like no drink no drugs like what's he high on he's high on life he really is i love the guy so enjoy the interview and sayquan fucking love you chris five thousand yards as a new york giant i view him as a new york giant you do yeah okay yeah once a giant forever a you know the thing the thing it doesn't get talked about enough and the one thing if i had like

more time with him i would have really delved into this but you know when you leave the giants and it is your own volition to a degree like leaving the giants but they set you up in a position where you had to like they weren't going to pay you the money you deserved and they weren't going to commit to you and they make the decision they draw the lot in the sand then you leave and I think there's a lot of anger that comes with that as the player like that's the that's the thing everybody everybody goes to is like how mad at you are you at the giants like you want to get back at them you got a chip on your shoulder but I always also think there's a lot of hurt that goes with that. And I think a big lesson for him was probably

like, hey, loyalty in the NFL from fans and coaches and front office, especially alike, is conditional. And so that's a really sad deal. But I love seeing a guy like Sequin who's that humble, that committed to his craft. Every question you ask him, his answers are about everybody around him. Like anything positive that you try to set him up for, like you try to throw him in alley-up to like, you know, for a second gloat about being Seyuan Barclay, he spreads the ball around. And a guy like that getting what he deserves, winding up in not just a new market where he gets paid, but a new market where he gets paid and he's sitting on top of Gino's Steakown, or, you know, Gino's steakwans at this point, jumping over a cheese steak.

And, you know, one cool deal is Marcus Hagan's, a good friend of ours. Shout out to Biscuit, a great coach up at Penn State, wide receivers coach. he hooked me up with James Franklin because I wanted to get some information on Sequin before the interview I was just fishing for any kind of interesting stories or questions and James calls me he was awesome I talked to him for like 15 minutes and a couple of things that he said about Sequin really stood out number one Sequin wanted a single digit number in college he was like one of the many kids that came in and was like hey I need a single digit number and they were like we can't give everybody a single digit number obviously

logistically, that would be impossible, and pick a number that you can make yours. And so begrudgingly, I guess he took 26. And James was saying, hey, fast forward to now, it is the most popular number in Happy Valley, and it's probably the most popular number in Philly now, and it will be for a long time until somebody takes the mantle there. It'd be hard to imagine somebody being more popular than Sequan Barclay, the way he kind of took the city by storm this year. And then the other thing was in high school, he wasn't that highly recruited, which I didn't remember that.

You know, when he played in an all-star game, I think they called it like the East West game. It wasn't the shrine game. That's the college deal. But Franklin talked about going to evaluate him at this all-star game, and they had him playing fullback. Like talk about like one of the biggest all-time miscasts of all-time. They looked at his quads, and they were like, yeah, he's a fullback. But that's not true. He's one of the best running backs to ever play the game.

He really does remind me of Barry Sanders. I think some people think it's hyperbolic to say that. I think some people didn't realize how great he was in New York. And if you played against him, and I talked about this at the beginning of the podcast, with Sequin. In 2018, I remember he caught a screen pass and ran for probably in real distance. He went for like 76 yards on this play. but I would love for somebody to to track how far he ran.

He probably ran 140 yards. And I felt like I was in a Madden video game watching him drop people in the open field trying to find an angle to get him down. He is spectacular. He's probably one of the best players I've ever played against, and it's really cool to see.

And it's again, it's another example of this. Great players waste their careers in places like New York, no offense. Yeah. To the current day giants. But, you know, if he'd have never escape, people would have been like man what if he's a he was a he was a really good back he just never quite got over the hump you put him in the right situation and it's like it's beyond your wildest dreams

he's amazing so shout out to say quang so anyways if you haven't if you haven't seen the interview with say kwan you want to check that out and uh in the meantime here's chad who uh who's a lot of fun and afterwards we'll have a little bit more fun in studio oh show what the fuck are you doing doing here me yeah you told me to come I did you told me to come like I got I jumped on a flight strictly for this no I didn't I promise you so we're here for the Madden cover what do we call this the Madden cover release Sequin Barclay good for him great great for him yeah if you if you look at the story from New York come at the Philly yeah winning the Super Bowl like that's

that's what they call the outhouse the penhouse Chad yeah I like I like, that's a good one. You never heard that one? I've never heard that one. I got to write that one. I don't have my pad with you. I'll write it down for you. But listen, if you were to make a movie in Hollywood about a football player on the team that's bad, this would be the ending.

That's exactly right. It's to be the ending, like perfect. He's on the roof of the most famous steakhouse in Philly. Have you had one? Yeah. You know, I used to come down here. Remember I fly into Philly. Yeah.

So you used to come in here. I used to come to Gino's. I tweet, oh, would I get a cheese steak? Where's the good one? Everybody mentioned Gino. Regino's outweighed all the other options. Okay. So I'd be here twice.

So just a little background. I just wanted to ask you on camera, do you remember us playing Madden last year? I remember fucking you up. This is crazy. I remember that. This guy will gaslight you. We put Madden on the giant screen in the studio. And inside the NFL, we stayed after work one day.

And I dusted him. Dusted me? Yes. Who did you play with? The Chiefs. Why are you using the best team in the game? Because you picked it that way. Me?

Yeah, you picked the team. Who did Chad pick? I forget. Nobody remembers losers, huh? No, I don't know. I don't recall. You don't recall? I got C-T.

Yeah, so do I. So do I. Not me, I'm clean. But we do need to get a second game going. That's fine. And not on the big screen. On a small screen. Yeah, the response time is horrible on big screens.

What are you saying? Oh, my mic. So you're asking if I needed something to drink. Yeah, I'll take some drink. Chad doesn't drink, by the way. I know. What a pure guy. I drink.

Water. Starbucks. Yeah. Latte. Cafe. Okay. Uh-huh. Water.

Yeah. That's it. How old do you feel like you are in real life? Like I, swear to God. Yeah. Right now I could fucking come off the bench for the Eagles. You think? I think so.

I know so. Come off the bench? Off the bench. Like third down. Yeah? Yeah. Absolutely. What kind of routes?

Anything under five yards. That's the easiest ones. Yeah, because my shorter quickness is like no other. It's still there. Yes. Like God given. I'll tell you what's there is you're pretty quick on the mic, man. You've become a real media sensation, in my opinion. I like it.

I just don't like the fact that they try to tone down my cursing. Not here? Say whatever you want here. Fuck yeah. Fuck yeah. Bitch. What's? Hey, you know what he'd say every morning?

Every morning in production meetings. Bill Belichick will walk in and Chad would say, I fucking love you, Bill. As every morning at Inside the NFL. Let's start there. We worked on Inside the NFL this year. Truly, I thought, a lot of fun. I enjoyed that.

I had a blast, man. And I thought Bill was a big part of it. Yes. I like the fact that it allowed people to see Bill's personality. Yeah. To get him outside the box and the perception of who people thought he was based on when he had to talk to the media. And he was just, that's all you got. Yeah.

You know? Next question. We're on to the next game. He opened up and it was dope to see him dissect the game the way he did. It was really dope. Yeah, you were like, man, I really don't know anything about football. That's how I felt some days. That's what he's so good at.

He takes these concepts. He breaks them down into such, like, such simple terms. You're like, holy shit. He's obviously right, but it's like a professor delivering a master class on such a simple topic. He makes understanding it much easier. Yeah, that's right. Much easier. That's right.

Honestly, a little bit. And I was always afraid to ask, the questions when I was his player. Right. But then, you know, sitting next to him in production meetings every day, I ask him anything. You know what I mean? Do you remember, like,

what your impressions of him in New England were? He was cool as hell. I thought I was one of the few that were able to make him smile, you know? I still walked on eggshells as a player there. Yeah. Because, you know, the Patriot way, and it seemed like everybody was expendable based on what happened to other great players

that happened to play for him. So I went in, very shy in a sense, not wanting to be myself, really suppressing who I was as a player as far as my personality goes. I didn't talk to media. I was already behind the eight ball because I got there late when I was traded and then have a full camp and all the stuff I needed to get acclimated with the playbook. And I just was never really myself. So obviously getting to the football was awesome. I understood what it took and why they were consistently winning year and year out. And outside of that, I enjoyed my time there.

about living in in that area did you live in Foxborough yeah I was um Mansfield is that the name mansfield yeah I was go eat there yeah some restaurants there yeah went to I went too far I enjoyed I don't go anywhere because even then it was football and I'm home gaming or smoking the cigar at the cigar bar in that funny though like I told you this before like me watching you when I was growing up and when I was a young player I had a totally different idea of what you'd be like yeah yeah yeah than when we became buddies like like you're just so I don't want to call you boring but like you have a side where you can be boring. Well, actually, my lifestyle in general, outside of the perception where people think I may be

like, because that was so flashing and flamboyant on the field, is that's why all my relationships failed. It's because you would just like to be in the house too much? Yeah. Everybody left me. Really? Every, every chick. All of them?

Like, all 82. All 82. Outside of being bad in bed, but that, like, not wanting to go anywhere, that, like, tops everything. See, you just say these things, man. No, I'm just being honest. Because we're here to tell the truth. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, we're in fucking Philly at Gino's. So, so, so what, what specifically about you gets them to leave you? You want, you want the truth? Yeah. Like, serious? Yeah. Well, for one, I'm cheap. You know that.

I do know that. I'm very financially conscious. Yeah. 83% of your career savings. Right, really? So on top of not spending money and women love for you to spend money. Right. You know?

Love doesn't pay bills. Right. And then having a small fucking dick. It fucking sucks I wouldn't know I mean just saying We talk about perception You think black guy

Oh my God Fucking mandingo Yeah Me? Yeah Fucking what is it Really? I don't know

When God was passing Them shits out Yeah He missed me You were at the end of the line Yeah I don't know what that Maybe he ran out

He was like This guy's Irish Yeah Listen But what he did give me He gave me He gave me Structure and discipline

When it comes To being financially savvy Yeah I got that part Yeah So it's cool Is it true? Is it true?

that you actually lived at the facility? Yes, I want to spend no money. That's true. Like Baker Mayfield in the commercials. You were like real life. I didn't understand I'm coming from college. I come from nothing. So all of a sudden, I make it to the NFL.

And everything where I'm playing at my job has everything I need. So why am I buying a house? Why am I getting a condo? And everything is right here. It made no sense. They got uncrustables. No. Not back then.

Oh, okay. Yeah, not back then. I'm old. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but through cafeteria, shower, work is right there just wake up in the morning food players lounge the couch

dude the couch on the players lounge oh dude you know how many times I come home like well you don't know what this is like but being absolutely popped from the flight home right just fucked up what is that drunk okay yeah and just be like I'm not driving home tonight obviously right so I'm gonna hit the players lounge wait you stay there yeah but not like you I didn't live there

I'd just stay there when I wait where you I thought you were married well at the time I was cohabitating with my then girlfriend, the current wife. Okay, okay. But she understood. Oh, okay. I'd be like, hey, I'm at the facility. She understood?

Yeah. See, that's, man, it's hard to have someone that understands. I know. That's very difficult. I know. I know. It's a lot of setting, uh, an expectation, a precedent. Right.

You gotta set it early. So that'll be my advice to you next time. Right. Just set it early. Set the standard early for how you want to live. Okay. So you want to live in the facility. How did the conversation go with Marvin,

Louis was like you can't live here anymore. They didn't know, but by the time we got to my third year, he made me, you can't do this. You have to be a man. You have to take care of responsibilities. You have family. You have kids when they come in town, where are they going to go? And that's to the hotel.

That's what I told. They sleep in the training room. I would get them out of the boots. Yeah, but it didn't make any sense. I thought I would take advantage of a situation that was good. But Marvin was like after, after we got the year three, He was like, you can't do it anymore. This is no bullshit.

Dead ass. Yeah, dead ass. So who would like, in the morning you got to know the janitors real well and like the people that would come in and like turn the lights on to like do their, you know, like. Yeah, and it's the same people every time. The same person every time. That's incredible. I'm just picturing you like Rudy, you know, in the movie, Rudy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sleeping in the equipment room. Yeah. That's huge. Just a little pal it on the floor. The players lounge. PlayStation. Yeah, the Xbox.

Yeah. Big screen TV. Pinball machine. Like, I got everything. You know how I'm going to come to. gaming. Oh yeah. And that's it. And I was locked in too my first two years. I'm locked in like oh my God, I made it finally. But you would you would admit this, FIFA is your best game. Yeah, yeah, the best in the world at FIFA. And I'm not too far off and mad neither. Not too far.

No. That's good to know. I mean, I could play on the pro soccer. Like I'm that good. Really? Yeah. Okay. So let me ask you some, another hidden talent of yours that I didn't even know about until I was doing research for this podcast. Yeah. Santa Monica Community College There's a, there's a local business there. Can you see that? I believe it's called the right track. Product placement is important. Do you know about a place called the right track in Sanam?

Oh my god, I used to fucking strip back in 97, 98. It's so funny. So, so I don't want to see your signature move. No, I wouldn't do it right now. Back then I was small. I was like 150, 160 maybe and I didn't have any money. So I thought what was the best way to make money back then as a college student during my off time no you fucking strip did you live at the strip club also no no no I live

across the street he's in the back room yeah I made a nap in the champagne room I made a I made a grip though yeah oh I made a grip like 20 like 2,500 women tip good what strippers yeah yeah back oh my god did you save 83% of that earnings as well no I spent that books uh classes yeah I was I was I had to pay for everything. So what were your hours? Football. No, I mean your hours at the football practice?

At the Pink Pony Club. I do about three hours, three hours a night. Three hours a night? Yeah. So you make your own hours? No, no, no. I mean, you make your own hours. So you weren't afternoon shift or something?

Oh, no, I can't. I'm in class. Yeah. I'm in class. This is on the weekends. Like three days, I could make $2,500 in two days. Stop. That's incredible.

You know how much that is back in 97? There's a lot of bachelor at parties? No. You know what? Matter of fact, you know what I've done too? You know what dancing bear is? Anybody know what dancing bearers? No.

I'm afraid to answer either way. Nobody's know a dancing bear? Oh, you know what dancing bears? You do? Yeah, I was one of those two. Shut up. I swear. What is that?

I'll have to review your game tape, Chad. Look at Dancing Bear. I don't have the internet right now. You don't? You just tell me. No, I mean, listen. What is a dancing bear? It's porn up, Chris.

Porn? Yeah. For parties, for women. No way. Yeah, like, bachelor parties. No way. I was like the guy coming in and a full bear. costume and get jiggy.

Shut the fuck up. Yeah? Now where did you get this costume? What do you talk about? Frederick's of Hollywood. You act like this is my scene. You don't role play at home? No, I don't role play as a dancing bear. Yeah.

You got to try it. My outfit looked like a tear costume. Yeah. Not Ted was small, but my tail was big. Yeah. Not that Ted, but the costume. It was phenomenal. Like back then, I was very adventurous.

Yeah. I needed money. Yeah. I didn't want to do anything legal. But one of the highest grossing occupations is, obviously, stripping. And it's a lot of cash. A lot. Right?

Tax-free. Yeah. I mean, they might text me now. Yeah. But, eh, those were some good days. So you've ever gone back? No, I don't need. I'm rich.

Yeah. Did you use those moves in the end zone as like touchdown celebrations a lot? I didn't. I didn't do any any. gyrations during those times no gyrations you don't want to get fine no gyration we'll get fine yeah who is it I want to I want to take a hard right turn from I kind of like this topic my comfort zone you know my stage name was tell me Twix I'm serious they call me zero bar no but it was cool because remember I told you

150 160 right yeah had a little strength on me so I was cut up but I had veins everywhere yeah you know how you open the Twix yeah it's fucking vainy yeah so my stage name was Twix I'm disgusted I'm in this bill know this did you ever tell Bill this story I didn't know absolutely not we'll send him this interview um wow who are the forgotten receivers of your generation how about Stevie Johnson the greatest footwork. Everyone talks about my footwork and my ability to get off the line.

I've never seen anything like Stevie Johnson. Still to this day. He was awesome. He's like and one, and one, right? Basketball. Yeah. He does and one moves on the field and it works every time. And the only person I've seen kind of simulated without the actual quickness is

Keenan Allen. Yeah. A younger Keenan Allen. Got it. Stevie Johnson, dude, unbelievable. I've never seen anybody move off the line like that. How much does the quarterback that you play with, or the quarterback you play with, like, we were just talking to Sean.

Right. Like, he played with a lot of different quarterbacks. How much does that affect when you look back at a wide receiver's legacy? Like, do you, can you weigh that in their favor if they had to play with a lot of different receivers? Does that matter in what they were able to accomplish? As a quarterback? No, as a receiver? Like, if you had to get continuity, not.

having the continuity. I think a testament to a receiver's greatness is being able to be consistent regards to who's throwing the ball. Right. Yeah. Gailer Wilson. DeAndre Hopkins. Yeah.

He had a merry-go-round of quarterbacks in Houston and for some reason was able to do it with every single body. Everybody. Yeah. Andre Johnson. Same thing. Same thing. Yeah.

You know, there have been a multitude of receivers that have been able to do it regardless of who's at the helm and that's when you are a tier one receiver yeah tier one receivers it doesn't matter right put the ball in the fucking vicinity and yep i got it no he will just pick up the phone too we'll be in production meetings the phone will ring this fucking guy's right twix will pick up the phone hey hey hey hey so hello i'm gonna help you i hope that's your gamer tag too twicks no all right so that that was one of the craziest things you've ever done but How about another craziest thing you ever done, bull riding? Oh, I love it.

And you know what? I'm so glad you just mentioned that because I just talked about on the last show with Shannon. I want to be a content creator, right? But I don't want to create content like everybody else. I want to create like life or death content. Like there's a chance. No, life or death. Yeah, no, I understand.

Like, I want to go shark diving with no fucking cage. You know, I want to go to Yellowstone Park and I want to force the bison to stand and me run between them. Bad idea. That's the point. How about running with the bowls? Let's start there. That's easy.

That's easy. Yes, because it's in a controlled environment. I don't want to control environment. Yeah. People die? Yeah. Serious? Yep.

Yeah. I need to start there then. Yeah, start there. I need to start there. The bison's a bad idea. No, it's not. What other ideas did you cook up for this season? I want to swim.

Season 1, the pilot season. I want to swim with killer whales in the wild. Okay. In Norway, in New Zealand. But they're not going to kill you. Yeah, they're not going to kill you. They're not going to kill you. They don't attack.

It's a misnomer. Yeah. I'm trying to think. What else? What about cobras? That's a good one. That's a good one. Cobra's?

Yeah, just like hang. Like with venom or no venom? Not, not. Well, no. Come on. The whole fucking, the idea of the show is you could die. Okay. We could just take a drive through West Philly right now if you want.

Right. How about this? If a cobra was, if a cobra was to bite me, how much time do I have to get to the hospital? Like, Cobra's like 15 minutes. 20 minutes?

Yeah. I can have a doctor on site. Are you okay? No, this is fun. This is content. They call a black mama the seven steps snake because you have seven steps. Before what?

You die. So like the movie Kill Bill? Yeah, kill Bill. I like that. Somebody get bitten by a snake in that movie? No, just the, remember the, what was the move she did? Uma Thurman.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you take five steps, right? And you die, yeah. Yep, yep, it's the same thing. Same thing. Same thing. Another kind of off the wall thing that we had on our list was you talked about taking Viagra before a football game.

Yes. What are some other activities you might take Viagra before? Well, definitely not sex. That doesn't help. That's it. So why is it good for football? Because you have to think, it's a performance enhancer. Viagra, the blood flow increases.

That's our dialing. Vassal Diler. He's already very vast. How did you know? Yeah. So you got to think about it. For me, being that it wasn't much to go to my front end, it went everywhere else. So what does that do?

I'm more explosive on the field. So like, how the fuck are gonna stop me running on three legs? Like that's the whole concept behind it. So they're fucking testing me some fucking steroids. And I'm taking performance enhancer. Because Bart Scott talked about this. This is no bullshit. You would take that before game?

Yes. That's why I fucked Bartz got up. He couldn't stop me. Yeah. But he was also on Viagra. He was? Yeah, that's what he said. Okay.

That's cool. I didn't know that. He wasn't on his high a dose. I didn't know that. Yeah. I ran Bard over a few times. Did you? Yeah.

So are you going to take Viagra before these death-difying stunts as well? No. I need to be in a right mind state knowing that my liking in, based on the content I'm trying to create. So he talks a lot of shit. Every person that comes on the show inside the NFL, when the first minute they come on, what do you say to him usually? Like, I want to fight? Yeah, I want to fight.

Yeah. Famously the James Harrison thing, which I'm going to beat his ass. I couldn't tell at some point if that was serious or not. It's serious. I'm going to fuck him up. All right. You have a look at James Harrison face? It's so punchable. Is it punchable? It's just punchable.

I don't agree. You don't think so? I don't want to punch James Harrison. Why? I want to shake his hand. No. I want to tell him how great he was. He was great.

Yeah. But he needs to be humbled by somebody small. You're the one to do it. Yeah. Okay. So the question I have for you is, did any of the guests on our show actually scare you? Me?

I'm the only person I'm scared of is God. Because I never know when he's coming. And I never know he's calling me home. That's true. That's scary. That's deep. Like anyone else that puts their pants on, one leg at a time with me?

Dude, I got to say when Lawrence Taylor came on. Oh, I understand. I was a little bit like, yeah. I was like, man, this might even be a little bit bridge too far for Chad. Because that dude, the way he looks at you, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's looking through you. Yeah, it's crazy, right? He's the, I've never...

He's not even playing. Can you imagine when he was playing? Yes. And just his aura and his presence in general was crazy. He, bro, I've never looked at somebody that had that look. You know what I'm talking about. You've been around LT. Where I was like, okay.

I don't even know what the fuck I want to ask him. Let's just go to commercial. RC, you got it. You got the whole segment. You just said the word aura. We had a big debate on the pod last week, Chad. Football players with aura. I want to let you know, you made that list for me.

Wait, you threw your name out there. I had a or. Fuck yeah. Fuck yeah. Fuck yeah. Fuck yeah. Do you know what that means? No.

That's what we're trying to figure out. That's what we're trying to figure out. Yes. Swag. But a little Geno Sequa, you know, like. Oh, I like. When a guy walks in the room. Geno Sequa.

Yeah. That's a good one. I like that. When somebody walks in a room. room and you could feel the presence and you're just like man that guy's got it whether it's like swagger or confidence or like style geno sequa that's nice right so who are some guys that you think either in the game now or in your era uh that i know who guy is going to say just have it OBJ would be one of those oh yeah yeah during his time yeah um they just have it

burrow man joe without even trying he just it just just cool just there yeah Tom Brady's got it. Brady has it. But Brady didn't always have ORA. He developed it, we decided. Because the guy who came from Michigan at the Combine didn't have that baggie, that 40. Trying to think who else, who just has it? Most receivers do.

Most receivers. Most receivers. Can you be a good receiver without having ORA? No. No, because ORA has his confidence and just, just the way you walk. Okay. Larry Fitz. Larry Fitzgerald.

Maybe not a ton of aura. Great receiver. Bro. One of the best receivers. Probably one of the greatest of all time. Top five. What is your top five? All time?

Yeah. I always say Jerry's in a class of his own. I put Jerry in a class of his own. My 1A and 1B is always Tio, Randy, or Randy Tio. Right. And then it's after that, I mean, it's Calvin and, Antonio Brown, Julio Jones. It depends.

At that point, it becomes preference. Right. But there's too many you can put that actually belong in that space. Jimmy Smith, Steve Smith, Andreje. It's hard to do a top because everybody looks at numbers. Right. I don't care about the numbers. I actually saw these people play with my own eyes and understand how great they are.

You know what the most dumbest saying of all time is? What? Men lie, women lie, numbers don't. They don't. They don't, but I hate that. No, numbers lie. You think so? Yeah, because you could get, you could be a linebacker and make 200 tackles and they could

be 10 yards down the field. You know what I mean? Okay, okay, okay. Or you could be on a team that like, like you could try to compare some receiver from last generation with the numbers of some receiver now. Yeah, it's not fair. Where they throw the ball two million times a game? Yeah.

You could be a defensive end and get a bunch of sacks and they could be a nose guard with two and a half career sacks. And that's a lie because you were a good rusher. Whatever. I guess my question is what, what separated Jerry? I mean, it's the numbers in general because that's what everyone bases everything off of. When you talk about the goat, it's because of the numbers I was able to put out. There are many, many receivers that are better from a skill standpoint, you know, more athletic.

So I always put Jerry in a class of his own simply because of the numbers. Really? It's about numbers aside. Fuck numbers. Right. It's about a receiver. There's a difference between receiver and football players. Right.

There's some receivers that are really good, route running, catching, being able to manipulate dbs and defenses. Then you have receivers that are just pure football players. Here's a guy like that comes to mine. You're like, I'm on Ross St. Brown? No. You're saying that the skill level is not necessarily, like, doesn't wow you, but the guy's just a fucking great football player. Great football player. He's not a good receiver, but he's a great football player.

I almost don't want to answer the question because it sounds like he's not a great receiver. Because all the things that entail being a receiver, like how you would break it down for someone that is somewhat of a finesse player, he's not good at route running. He can't run slants. You know, but you put him in that structured environment. Holy shit, he plays receiver, but he's a great football player and that makes him great at what he does. Like some people say certain guys route trees limited. Right. Is it something like that where the guy doesn't have the full route tree?

In a sense. Maybe it doesn't look beautiful when he runs X-Router. Bingo. Bingo. Like that. But when he gets the ball in his hand, it's just like, D-B. Holy shit. Unbelievable, yeah.

D-bo. I don't want to put a name to it. I'm giving an example in general. Well, I keep going back to like the definition being like route running. You know, I don't know receiver that will. Everybody can't do that. Yeah. Right.

That's an art in itself. Everybody can't do it with Jimmy Smith or Marvin Harrison or Reggie Wayne. There's not very many savvy route runners where your officer of the coordinator can say, you know what, I'm going to leave you on the island, and no matter what play we call, we want you to get open. There's very few of those. But then you have others that understand their player's strengths and weaknesses, and they put them in position to make plays because they're football players.

Now, that to me is a difference between a receiver and a great football. player. The instincts. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There, there are many, you can't, Marvin Harrison, you line up on the right, get open. Yeah. Devante Adams, you line them up somewhere, get open. Yeah. There are very few. I tell you, maybe less than 10 that can do that. I call it making your quarterback and your officer officer coordinator job easy. What made T.J. Hushmanzada, a perfect kind of partner for you, man. Like, it felt like you guys just. He can do all the I couldn't. Right.

He could do all the things I couldn't. I couldn't play in the slot. Right. That was a weakness of mine. I wasn't good in being able to read zones and coverages from the inside. It was easy to do from the outside and understanding what's coming or what's coming. All right, if he's doing this, that means he's going to be here when the ball snaps and I know who's going to replace what. But I was able to do it from the inside.

Right. He was so savvy inside. And then also he could go outside and eat too. Right. Like I was an outside Munster and that was it. Would you say he was like very underrated? Like because I feel like TJ didn't get the credit he deserved. He didn't get the credit he deserves, but he is one of the best to ever play the game.

Especially he was so savvy, man. Yeah. So savvy. And a great rock runner. And a good teammate. Good teammate, yeah. Yeah. Good teammate.

You also played with, I think you played with Justin Smith for a little bit. Justin. We're in Justin that. Well, I think he's in Missouri on like a farm. Justin was hilarious. He was funny. But you played with him before he became like famous, you know? Because when he got to San Francisco, he was a part of maybe the best defense in the league for a stretch there. Oh, yeah.

With him and Alden, and he was one of my favorite players, dude. Was there something about Cincinnati where it was hard to get the national shine? Well, we got the national shine. I made sure that. You made sure. I made sure that. Yeah. Oh, yeah, absolutely.

Listen, if eyes were on me, they were on everybody else. Yeah. And I purposely did some things that were a little outlandish to make sure everybody was watching. Do you regret anything that you ever did? If I can go back, I'll do more. What was the thing that you would do more of? Was there a stunt that you pulled that you were like, man, I look back, I'm really proud of it?

Actually, just the trash talking. Just the fun, the entertainment value I brought to the game, it forced people to want to watch Cincinnati in general. Yeah. Yeah, that's it's it. Did you ever study your opponents and know, like, what kind of shit you wanted to talk about them? No, I didn't do down.

You didn't like look at their Wikipedia. There was no Wikipedia back there. I didn't do any of that. I would, you know, obviously, I would send gifts to the secondary sent gifts to Ryan them just to have fun really yeah it was did Ryan ever hit you no I don't think he caught me no I didn't catch you Palomalu caught me before he caught you that was it was the hardest hit you ever took Brian Russell Brian Russell we're playing Cleveland I never forget garbage time we're up 34 14 I don't know why I was in the game

slant cross the middle a little too high I jump anyway Brian Russell catch me under the chin I'm knocked out cold no shit yeah is on a serious note because we're talking about like getting hit and everything. There's an interview with you after the game I saw. That's the one. Back in the day. Where I'm woozy. Yeah, Hugh, you. That's the one. Sequin, I fucking love you. Tell him again. Can I get an autograph? How you doing? It's nice to meet you. Congratulations on everything. You smoke weed? No. No, neither does he. He's the police. Get in the car. Take one. Get the car. Get the car, bro, while you still can.

I need you know. I mean, I need a picture. Huh? Oh, yeah, that's right. Hey, Ty. He doesn't smoke. Hey, will you ever, would you ever smoke weed with me? Fuck, no.

No. I would never smoke. That's why I play like, dude, like, you see how I'm playing around? I remember players would come in and they'll be walking with Mike Brown, the owner, they'd be walking Marvin. I'm in my locker and I'd be like, no, congratulations. Do you smoke? Yo, they'd be like, what the? And I'd be like, and I'd be like, and I'd be like, and I'd be like, and I'd be like, and I'd

I play like that because everybody knows I don't do anything. Right, yeah. It's a nice place to come from. It's hilarious. Well, you got some vices, though. I mean, McDonald's? Cigars. Cigars?

Yeah. I mean, that's not. Well, cigars is my only vice. McDonald's is not a vice. Does a cigar give you a buzz? No, it doesn't do anything. I think I've been doing it so long. It has no effect.

But so you're just anti-buzz. You don't want to get a buzz? No. He's always buzz. Look at him. He's high on life. Yeah. What's he looking at?

I don't know. When you see somebody running and you want to run. Yeah, that's right. You got anything for Chad? Yeah, I want to know that your go-to McDonald's order is. Oh, number one exercise, but no hands, coconut ice. And most of the time, also, when I date, when I date, why are you laughing? Yeah.

You're ready to go. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm a number two guy. You are, number two? Okay, but also on dates, my first date, most women to make sure they're with me for me. As I go to McDonald's, I get it number seven. Yeah.

Number seven, the two cheeseburger meal. I only buy one meal because we can share cheeseburgers. Yeah. and just get two straws that's fucking romantic you ever get her a happy meal no no no number seven it's like two and one two and one yeah we share the drink yeah that's how you save money okay like it's only 1893 i mean night 893 is there anything macdonalds can improve on um that's a good question i got one we're having the the ice cream machine yeah yeah they need to fucking work everywhere all the time it really is very variable very yeah it sometimes it's

broken have you tried chick filet who chick fillet what's that you don't like chick filet that's the devil's playground i don't know they're closed on fucking sunday that's why that's what you talk about they're doing it for god you know not doing it for god yes they are no if there's any day chick flay should be open i should be able to go to church get a good sermon say a prayer and go eat dude they could give me the entire leviticus like i'll read the whole thing right at the drive-through. They just open on Sunday, man. I drove there 20 minutes the other day on Sunday. You always wanted on time. You know how many times I've driven there on Sunday to be like, what the fuck? Yeah. See? Is what I mean? I got one more question for you, Chad. What are the odds

are you come out of retirement to do flag football in the Olympics? No, not good. Zero. I'd be a coach. Assistant coach. I don't want to be the head coach. But what I don't like about this also is the fact that it seems like the NFL players are stealing the shine and taking away from those that play flag football seriously. Oh, so you're like pro, you're like team that quarterback that thinks he's the best in the world? He is the best in the world at his job. When it comes to flag football,

which is, I understand. I've seen him play. I had a team that played against his team, Doucette, is his last name. And they killed us. Really? They killed us. Because the nuances and the understanding of the flag football game is completely different because you play in the NFL. Oh, I'm fast,

I'm strong. That shit doesn't work in their game. Right. With their rules. We would get embarrassed. You think the NFL players are good beat by the... Absolutely. Wow. The professional flag football players? Yes, it's too many rules.

That's crazy. It's too many rules and too many nuances that we don't know. And we think just being fast and quick and everybody else is going to work. There's more to it than that. Okay. Well, there's our social... You're kind of winning me over, yeah. I'm serious.

Yeah. If you look at the rules of the game, that's where they would beat us. Interesting. Chad Johnson, everybody. Wait, we're done? Well, yeah, he's giving me the five-minute thing. Who did? You gotta hit some for...

Fuck dad, let's go. I'm here. What do you want to talk about? Yeah. Um... Are you married? Not married. It's funny you asked that.

Yeah. I want to find him a girlfriend. He should find it. Well, he has a girlfriend. Oh, you do? Yeah. Where? She's behind the camera.

It's up, yeah. I was pointing out of the camera. I was like, damn, she's here? She's not here. She's not here now. Are he's live? No. No, it's not live.

Oh, no. It's for the future. No, no, no, no. Wait, oh, you have a girlfriend? I have a girlfriend, yeah. Okay, I'm sorry. We've been doing for like five months. It's pretty sad.

You got a girl? We got to find him a girlfriend. Like black chicks? Yeah, he does. Yeah, he does. Look at it. Huh? You want to put that cream in the coffee?

Look at it. No? Yeah, I'm gonna call one for you. Hold on. If he comes to Miami, where are you taking him? Fucking Tutsies. Tootsies. Yeah.

Second floor. You been in Tussies? Nope. Holy shit. Get him a back row. We could do the show from up there. Get them a background. Why don't we do a podcast?

Would Twix come out of retirement? No, come on. Twix is not coming out at Toosys. No. But we should do a show from Tutsis. We could do it. They have a back room. And they'll quite a meal.

Aye. Tootis. Seafood rice and lobster tail with a chocolate cake. So it's not a no-no to eat seafood at a strip club. No. No. Do you. Have you seen the menu at Toottsies before? Oh yeah.

It's like a five. Oh, you've been there? Yes. You're married. How? She knows I go to a strip club every once in a while. It's part of the business. She's not here. Oh, she's not?

Oh. No. Okay. My kids don't know, but eventually they'll understand. Maybe I'll edit this out. Yeah. But I've been to Tutsies. You have?

Yeah, dude. Like, in St. Louis, for instance, when I played in St. Louis, you know how St. Louis is a little bit. We used to go out after the game and things closed at like 1.30. Right. So, like, what's the only thing we can do? So she knew I was over the river. Okay. Like, you know.

Okay. I stayed till 5 in the morning. eat a hot dog in the parking lot, and then come home. And she was cool about it. You got it good. Yeah, dude. I love my wife. She's the best.

Well, I want to know why I can't. Hold on. Let me see. I want to try that. Try that. See how that goes. Let's see how this works. Five in the morning?

Well, yeah, dude. Got a lot of letting off steam to do when you play for the Rams. Okay. See if that works. Hey, how you doing? I have a question. Let's hypothetically speaking. Let's say I played a football game.

right and I didn't come home and I chose to go out with the fellas and I went to a strip club to see some tits no that's not why I went no I went for the bud light okay he went for the bud light and tits I'm not even a tits guy okay in the ass okay and I came home at five in the morning would you be upset long as I call you and let you know see that's what you got do it every week right okay it's a noon game a new game I'm no game to come home to five. Let's say it's a one o'clock game and I don't come out to five in the morning. Yeah, I don't come home.

I usually come home for a little bit and then go. Oh, so, okay. So I come home, eat dinner with my family or whatever. And then the fellas go out. Okay. We all go out. Okay, okay, okay. Never mind.

The way he just explained, now it makes sense. Paizzo's here. All right. I'm going to call you back. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Hey, what's your name? Tanner? Hey, where's your home girl?

Is your home grow there? I guess she's right here. Give her the phone. I wanted to meet Tanner. Can I approve first? Hey, how you doing? Hi, here we are. Good.

I want you to meet someone named Tanner. He's single? Hold on. Say hi. Hey, how's it going? I'm not Tanner. I'll put Tanner on now. Hold on.

Tanner. Tanner, Tanner. Say hi. Say hi, Tanner. Tootsies. Red Lobster. Let's go, Tan. You're in there.

there. Oh, yeah, that's what we call him. Okay, he said number seven, so you guys have shared cheeseburgers. Is that cool? He's funny, too. All right, I'm gonna send Tanya your number. It's funny and sweet. All right, all right, thanks.

Yeah. All right, I call you back. I just wanted to hook Tanner up. See? Hey, babe. Tennis a version. We gotta get him laid. All right.

All right, bye. Hey, you're in there. Like swimwear. Like swimwear. Thank you, don't. That was great. I was good. Good to have a good laugh.

Anytime. I love you. Where are we going next, guys? Well, talking about Chad Johnson. You talked about his aura, how cool of a guy he is, how he's just high on life. And before the interview, we were talking about how he probably has one of the best brands out there. He is just, everyone knows Chad is Chad. And there were a couple instances in this interview.

He even brought up, you guys talked about how the guests you had on the inside of the NFL, Chad will always say, hey, I want to fight you. Yeah. But people would probably perceive Chad as saying that, oh, that's funny, no matter if Chad is laughing or not. Somebody else said that, you know, that's, you know, we're throwing hands or whatever. Right. But Chad, there's a different kind of, you know, context around things he says. He's disarming.

Yes. And so we, you guys kind of came with your list of favorite personal brands in sports in the NFL, guys who can really be themselves and you know them for just being. this aura catching amazing being. It's like two different conversations like a functional commercial brand or just like the brand of person. This whole brand building thing didn't exist when I got in the league. Nobody talked about your brand.

That's a new thing. You know, that's why I always think the best brand is just you. So which one are we talking about? Are we talking about commercial branding? Are we talking about just the brand of the person and player? Commercial branding. I like commercial branding. What is the first biggest commercial brand player that comes to mind?

Well, I think about Shad. Yeah. How can you not talk about personal brand without the billion dollar industry that is Michael Jordan, you know? He was the perfect guy. It's like the most successful brand deal in the history of brand deals, you know. Jordan choose, but also like every commercially touched was pervy. It was like the Gatorade commercial where the sweats, you know, orange or red. Yeah.

The one with Mia Hamm? Yep. What was the one with me a ham? What's he doing in that commercial? Anything you can do? I can do better. Such a good commercial. Very, very chauvinistic of me to completely forget her role in the commercial.

Did he have a-true? Work on your brand, Chris. I don't have a brand. Did he have a McDonald's commercial with, or am I thinking of Larry Bird, Magic, Johnson. He had a, he had a, I think he did have McDonald's, but in the, in the, Johnson and they were going shot, they were playing for the food or Magic and Michael were playing for the food. And Larry that while they were distracted playing, Larry was eating the eating

McDonald's. They were also hitting all those crazy shots like from outside the stadium and shit. I just remember the Magic Johnson and Jordan video where Magic Johnson was like, driver, take me to French lick and they, he pulls up in like a limo. and gets out and they play one-on-one. It's a very simple commercial. And I think that's what commercials are lacking nowadays. Yeah. You know, like, think about,

where are the great athlete commercials these days that really resonate with you? You know what I mean? Like, I guess State Farms built a pretty good... Chris Paul. With Paul. But it's funny, right? I don't know.

I don't think those work particularly well. No. All right, can I zag a little bit here? Yeah. Is that more, that was more Nike? and now Jordan brand, and I think it was Michael Jordan the person. Is that fair?

I think Michael Jordan, the person has been a brand. I think he's always been aware of his brand. He's the classic guy that said, like, Republicans buy sneakers too. Like, that was a admission on his part that, like, everything he does is a little bit calculated. I just don't feel like I know Michael Jordan the person,

like I know other athletes. Which is why I think part of that is, like, the mystique of having a brand. There's also another interesting conversation, like people today, and I heard somebody recently talking about this, and we've said this before. Athletes today, they lack the mystique of the athletes of the 90s.

We think athletes in the 80s and 90s were way different. They just didn't have the outlet to tell you everything there is to know about themselves. And they would have done the same thing. Too many outlets. I don't care to a degree. The 90s might have been the perfect sweet spot for a guy like Jordan. 90s were great. Yeah.

I mean, and here's the funny part about Jordan. Like he was the be like Mike guy, but he was also the guy that was like, gambling up a storm and drinking the night before games and like he was an absolute dog if it were today he'd be like posting his bed m gm yeah for two million on the on the pacers to cover game one no question should have been a problem no question he'd be like katie giving you picking winners like with no enthusiasm on a sunday just taking the bag yeah you know those those I'll take the commanders I think lebron had a similar thing too where he was

LeBron had a gambling thing? I think he did picks too. They do picks? He put out like a pick thing and I don't think it did very well. How about Jeff Perlman said this week? You know, Jeff Perlman is. He's been on the show. He's an outstanding author and a real journalist on the topic.

But he was talking about Bill Simmons and he said the whole, the Ringer Empire is built on blood money because of the gambling stuff. and I'm like and I started to laugh and I was like oh fuck are we built on blood money too is that do we just catch astray grace it our little fiefdom money brand I don't know man you get into you get into talking about that it's like well then anybody else anybody who does alcohol add revenue or anything like that so anyways I don't know I was going to say shack I said shack because shack is like a different kind of brand wizard where it's like like I don't care whatever whatever I got to be the pitchman for yes I will do it I'll do it

see you there go to the general and save some time my back hurts slap some icy hot on there like it doesn't matter I'll climb into this tiny car yeah yeah I'm doing it they're good commercials too say yes more my dad had a lot of my dad was my dad was one of the pitch men man like honestly and I respect where he came from because guys back in the the day didn't make as much money so like he absolutely had to make money after football um but i'll never forget when he came home and i was in high school and he's like hey uh i just wanted to give you a heads up that like biagra called and i was like i will leave i was like you can do whatever you want dad but i just want you know i'm drawing the line here like i love living in this nice house i love you

paying for private school i love all the perks of you being in corps like commercials but if you take this Viagra money I'm gonna get the fuck out of here like I'm running away I respect Viagra money more than Skechers money I don't know maybe that's just me dog I would have been your dad would have been your dad can't get a boner you know stuff like that

were you in high school yeah I was in like high school man I was like early high school yeah be tough you know if he'd have called me now I'd be like that's your business yeah yeah but I would have gotten Viagra chance playing on the road. Right, right, right. You know what I mean?

That's the only time I've ever meddled in his branding. He did well with the Coors Light commercials. You know, he'd save the woman on the tracks with the avalanche and John Wayne. Checks notes. Yeah. You know, for instance, all those unforgettable. But, yeah, look at this. A contractor now with a midshipman's hitch.

What's hurry? Wow. Everybody's rushing. It really squared all. off that flat top for this one. This is like a cinematic commercial. They don't make commercials like this anymore. That's a constrictor not with a midshipment's hitch.

There's just no stopping. So wait. So in this commercial, like instead of just untying her, he caused an avalanche to kill everybody on the trade. An avalanche with a beer can. No, yeah. He had some, and then he was in the Radio Shack commercials

with Terry Hatcher and everybody thought that was his wife. Oh, my mom, I thought was going to like shank Terry Hatcher. like shchchch real quick you know she used to hate that shit oh i thought she like people would come up and he'd be like this is my wife diane and they'd be like oh i i thought it was terry hatcher so yeah being like in in a family member of somebody who's a brand titan is not always easy you know the viagra check that's blood money if you ask me i there was another Coors Light one, let's wedge it. I don't know if you remember this,

but this was Brian Billick, like, early 2000s, and he's having, like, a conversation with the guys in the booth. I guess they're trying to open up a... Oh. Whoa. What? Is this the right one?

This is John Wayne and Howie Long. This is good, though. Make it a Coors Light, and you're on. I can taste it now. Done. Ready, Jr.? Bring it on. Ready!

All that, all that. Rookie, meet the coach. The old man. Out of the way, Malone. You're never gonna make a block with your center up. Keep it down, your head up. Is this like AI John Wayne? Yeah, like, I think early 2000s AI John Wayne.

Because John Wayne was dead at this point, right? Oh, thank God. Don't forget my beer. Junior. Coors light. Frostbrew. I get it. Everything vaguely suggestive on purpose.

Like I said, Coors Light for everybody. Jensen. No hard feelings. It's not exactly my feelings that hurts, sir. Hard cut, Howie Long for Viagra, plenty of hard feelings. That's exactly right. I don't understand that commercial. Rookie, you're about to meet the coach.

How would John Wayne feel about that? I thought OJ had a great brand. He ruined it, though. Yeah. Hurts. What, with the murdering? Yeah, the murdering. Didn't have to do all that.

He really had it going. He tried to fight back with the... He was a movie star. Hello, Twitter World. Hello, Twitter World. Yeah, it's too late. You can't rescue that brand. No.

Have you guys ever seen the Earl Campbell's Skull commercial? I told Reed to pull it up. Have you ever seen this? Have not. Oh, man. No. Did you know Earl Campbell packed fatties? Call for me.

Relaxing all. always includes skull. It's smokeless tobacco. Just a pinch between my cheek and gum. Tiny pinch. Yeah, tiny. Without lighting up. Got the sea, the breeze, got my skull, nothing's going to make me move.

Think I'll play some touch. It's all about sex. And they just objectified the fuck out of women. Yes. like hey by the way i'm watching madmen nice i started it i'm like two or three episodes in nice welcome women did not have it good yeah that's that's what i'm seeing early on early on in that in that i'm starting to get what we're doing this ad men thing here i forgot that you had never seen that i'd never seen the show we just did the segment ad men yeah john ham friend of the show um

I think Baker Mayfield has a good brand. You don't think so? I guess. He had some good commercials. Great commercials. Yeah. He's a good actor. Was he the one that lived in the stadium?

Lived in the stadium like Chad Johnson. Oh, right. Yeah. At home. It started to get pretty bad when he wasn't playing as well. Right. Right. Yeah.

But he rescued himself. Yeah. They were good. Good commercials. Yeah. I also have here written down Medello because you ever notice watching the

Medello commercials that nobody knows who the fuck the people are in the commercials and they have to like introduce them in the commercials have you noticed Medello does that? I, I can't picture Medello commercial. Do not, I don't want to watch one. Off the devil. But it would be like a bantamweight fighter

from like the 90s. And they'll be like... I'm 90s bandamweight fighter. I love Madelo. State your name. But they really, they were like, man, we could, we could pay like one-tenth as much as the other beer companies for their talent and just pick some, like, semi-obscure athlete.

Their names have Kairons. And the names have Kairons. They're like, all we have to do is build in an extra 10 seconds to give the guy, guy's bio. Yeah. Top line of the bio. That's fun. You know who I think has the best brand to talent ratio in the NFL right now?

Will Levis, baby. Yeah. Look at Mayo commercial. Come on. He's kind of killing it. He's gone at the, at the Baker, at the end of the Brown's tenure. I would push back. I would push back only because Baker really did have some good moments.

Yeah, yeah. And Levis has not had any good moments. Well, the first couple quarters of that. He's had a great moment, dude. He had a sex tape released. That's a great moment. It was it. That's good for the brand.

Check it out. Pull that up. I don't want to pull that up. Are we sure? NXX. Are we sure? Oh, yeah. Allegedly.

Allegedly. It's all the top hitting news on this podcast, Chris. You know that. Yep. In that case, I think Greg Oden should be in commercials. Haven't seen it? No. Don't look it up.

We talked about Baker Mayfield, living at the Browns facility. And we talked with Chad. He lived at the Bengals facility. for a little bit before he was told to find other housing like every other NFL player ever. But if you had your pick of the 32 NFL facilities to live at, which would you choose? Hmm. I got one.

What you got? Arrowhead. You ever seen that owner's suite in there? Oh, it's huge. That's probably getting used like three times a season at most. I'm a rookie player with some gravitas like Ocho. I'm sliding in there. I'm figuring out how to get access to that,

and I'm just sleeping in there. It's perfect. That's actually a sick setup at the stadium. It is a really nice setup, but they did build the airport, or not the airport, the stadium, like, way far out, didn't they? Yeah, it is, let's see.

Yeah, it's kind of the time of the time. Yeah, you got the Royal Stadium and the Chief Stadium. Right there, just a big parking lot. Yeah, like if you zoom out, you'll notice that it's far away from everything. Yeah, probably far from, old Arthur Bryant's right downtown. Where would I want to live?

You don't need a stadium with a roof, you know? You don't need that at all. You can access the luxury suites and that sort of thing and the concourses. You want to enjoy some vitamin D. You don't want to be living inside. So like Minnesota's off the table, Detroit's off the table, places like that.

I kind of think Jacksonville would be fun. I don't know why. I mean, you have the pool. And maybe you can hit it like, you know, we talked about, you know, people showing up on Sunday peeing in the pool. Yeah. They have to clean it, right? Yeah, we did it right after the cleaners. No question.

No, I just don't get in right after the game. Yep. I let my staff take care of it, go for a swim on Monday. Everbank, Trevor Bank Stadium. Be hard to sleep, though. It looks pretty bright. Talk about a guy with bad branding. Yeah.

Trevor Lawrence. Man, I didn't realize they had a lifeguard for that pool. I guess that makes sense. You better have a lifeguard. That's ridiculous. People are pissed drunk at those games. Seriously. Making this is where you tell us which stadium you want to live.

How about the, how about SoFi Stadium out there in Los Angeles? Really? Yeah. Bright? You don't think too bright? No, I don't think too bright, cowboy, because listen to this. I can go inside to the, Forever I'm sleeping.

I'm not a dog on a chain. Can you access the fountain outside? Yeah, I can, yes. Swimming laps in the morning? Yeah. You know what they talk about in L.A. all the time is the weather. How nice it is. That'd be a perk.

That's a good share. Because you guys are talking a lot about old stadium. Yeah, that's right. Arrowhead, Trevor Vang. Less security. Less security at old stadium. So far, you're going to get a peg down on the facial recognition. Good question, Beau.

I think you got 24-7 security at every single one of these NFL stadiums. Dog, you can't walk up to the upper deck of the sofa and look out over the city because it's indoors. No problem. Like I would be up in the top row Trevor Bank, smoking at the devil's lettuce, looking at Jacksonville, dude, every night. Dude, I would just be vibing up there. Bo does bring up a good point. I think New England should be on the table. They're getting that new lighthouse.

dude is that did the stadium move out of Boston Greater Boston area all Chris tells us about there's no windows there's no windows in the practice facility yeah Milton said it's a casino without the dopamine hits yeah

it's just a dopamine suck it's an inverse it's an inverse casino I don't know you live at the top of that lighthouse it'd be pretty sick yeah it's cool you had a good view of Toby Keith in the parking lot of Patriot place. Yeah, you can check out the Bass Pro Shop right there.

Dude, that's how, when we lived in Foxborough, I legit used to, like, an activity I would take Whalen to do, would go to Bass Pro Shop and look at the carp. Really? Because they had a big fish tank. Like, we're going to Bass. Or we'd go to, like, the cranberry bog and, like, a cranberry bog. I would hit up the Bass Pro Shop a lot as a child.

That was, I was just going to hang out there for, like, which one? When we were in Richmond. Oh, you had a Bass Pro Shop right there? Yeah, my cousin. and live out there. We go play the shooting game. Yeah.

We give them a bunch of quarters. Really? Yeah. See, I mean, you got to be resourceful when you're a parent living in like Foxborough. It's not a lot of activities. Yeah. Like, as is a parent question. Where do you meet women in these stadiums if you're single and you're living in one of these

stadiums? Oh, Raya, brother. Tinder, grinder. Your app-based activities. That's how you do it. Allegedly. You're out at a bar and you say, you want to come back to my place oh type in jillette stadium to the uber you're getting maced

it's actually one it's one patriot place just so you know god boy you're one patriot place yeah you're right um patriot legend beau allen every yeah chick wants to have sex in the 50 yard that's what that's what i learned from movies for sure beau you pull that off hook line and sinker. Have you ever made relations in a facility or stadium? I don't think no. Oh, you've never even done a stairwell. No.

That is a good Beau mentioned he doesn't want that smoke. Good transition to the next question. What are some signs that someone means business? Taking a Viagra. Is he good. Oh, are we talking about fighting?

Taking a conflict to email. Oh, yeah. Somebody takes a conflict to email. email they want a paper trail oh yep it's not good you're in trouble beware as a head of hr for this illustrious company do not take it to email i don't want to read your fucking emails well sometimes it's better that i got i got a good one listen here buddy if uh if you're if you're squaring up with a guy and they take their shirt off they want that smoke yeah they want that smoke for for sure somebody takes their sunglasses off to get a better look at you after you say something like that's a bad sign too yeah

i have a friend called beau who takes a shirt off every time he goes too haven't seen him fight anybody no well yeah every time he goes number two yeah but you take your shirt off every time you take a shit i want that fucking smoke right now oh different different spelling no but that is a bow move like if you're I mean, if you get home from a long day and you really got to hit the bathroom immediately, shirt off. Yeah. Dude, well, I actually agree with you on this one because you don't want your shirt smelling like poo-poo, man. You got to go hang that thing up. Mm-hmm. You know?

You taking a shit right now? Not allowed to have other friends named Boe. I don't have any other friends named Macon. Well, does it change your mind at all if he's a B-O? Because he's a B-O. Oh, he's a country bump in. Got it. I mean, yeah.

He'd tell you as much. South Boston, Virginia. Is that where he's from? Yeah. Bobo. South Boston. Not fighting related, but I just, last two weekends I spent a lot of time in the airport,

sign that someone needs business, AirPods. If you're out in public, walking around with AirPods, whether you're talking on the phone or not, I think you know what you're doing. I think. it's just like it's not that important buddy whatever's going on is not that important on your earpods

that's what i think when i see somebody and also you're getting cancer bro right but it just like you know especially they they walking around chest out a little bit they i don't know but if it's wired i think the opposite what like define meaning business they just like whatever they are in i think that they are the top of their oh you are falling for oh yeah I see somebody with AirPods, I immediately think like, like, like entrepreneur that that projects more success than they're enjoying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I think about like somebody with a, you know, an Instagram account that they

think they're monetizing. Right, right, right. Or they give like business tips. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like 800 fathers. And I'm sure a lot of people are really doing business on their AirPods, but like, isn't that a big pet peeve in society? people walking around with their AirPods. Isn't that like a douchey kind of? It's just a do not.

I would rather have that 100% than someone FaceTiming in public a lafax. Yeah. You don't like the public FaceTime? No, hell no. I won't even FaceTime in like an Uber. I don't, you know, I don't like, I don't like noise pollution like that. What do you like less being near someone who is on FaceTime in public or someone someone facetiming you, you are by yourself, they are in public. And you like can't hear them and I love you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But they're with like a bunch of people. So whatever you're saying. I hate being face timed, uh, when when there's going to be a, yeah, like there's too much noise. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't face time me from a concert. Right. Right. Like, yeah, yeah. I start,

I'm like in a quiet room and I'm mouthing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's a bad thing. Bad thing, read. Yeah. I talked to a guy on the telephone. about twice a week for two years. We'll call him John. And every time I said, hey, John, how are you? And he would say, okay. And he would never, ever ask how I was.

That's a pet peeve. It's not a pet peeve, but he just wanted to get down to business. Right. And I knew it was coming every time, but I couldn't break the cycle of asking how he was. Don't small talk me. I know, I know.

But I couldn't just go, Hey, John. There's like, how are you doing? I must know how you were doing. I couldn't care any less, but I'm going to ask. Even though you know it's not coming back your way. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't like the small talk, man. Let's just get down to business. Zoom calls are the worst. Yeah. Where Zoom meetings, people do like three minutes. Like, it's like, and then I hate the moment where everybody goes, there's like the laughter fades.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And somebody goes, okay. Yeah, yeah. Well, it's tough when you're waiting for one person, either from, you know, if two groups are getting together and you're waiting for one person. There's always that one person. Because there's always like, if it's like three minutes and you got it, you can't talk what you're supposed to talk about because you're, why that one person.

Well, no, when the pause happens, it's, we're almost there. And then they're like, you know, I had that happen to me last week. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Fuck that. Fuck that noise. I don't care. If I never hear the phrase nice to eat me, again. I could die happy. Nice the e-meach. I use that phrase.

Oh, little. I'd hate it. Yep, hand up. Dude. What can be done on the phone? Just do it on the phone. You don't need to see each other. Agreed. Do you share that sentiment? Yeah. I don't do many zooms. I'll be like on a three-person meeting and they'll be like, yeah, here's the link. You got to have Microsoft teams. Now go download Firefox 2.0 and fucking, you know, you got to wait 30 minutes and, you know, you know, I'm always late because of that. I will say I really respect when I join a Zoom and somebody just doesn't have their camera on.

I don't have the balls to do it. Oh, I turn my camera off. Dude, I had a mentor person I got teamed up with in college. So, like, we set up a Zoom, and I assumed because, like, she's the high, like, she'd have a camera. She didn't. I kept my camera on, and I was just talking to the letter,

first letter. You had a good mentor. Yeah, no. What if they just didn't know how to turn their camera on? No, she told me straight up that she wasn't going to turn. And I was like, I respect that. What kind of things is your mentor do? Social media for a porch team.

Got it. Okay. Pretty cool. I had a mentor type. You know this person. A mentor in that, you know, we worked in the same building, but he seemed like he hated my guts. And we went to lunch one time. And he was like, all right, let's go to lunch.

We'll talk. I order, the weight person goes for his order, and he goes, oh, nothing for me. No way. And then I had to sit there and eat an entire lunch as we were talking. That sucks. And he did not. I feel like a child that he's feeding. Yeah.

Power play. Yeah, really. That's a power play. They eat in like three and a half minutes. That is how you know somebody means business. Right. You know how I know somebody means business when they asked you to lunch? Yeah.

Like, it's a business thing. Yeah. It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a networking thing. If I never hear a networking again, that'd be okay. Yeah. Trying to shrink the network, not grow it. It's a big LinkedIn word. Hey, can we network?

Ooh. Hey, you want to network? Let's network. Just catch up. Yeah. Just talk. Whenever I need somebody, need something for somebody, I try to tell them I need it. You know, I don't want to surprise them.

That's the correct thing to do, I think. Yeah. Yeah. I don't call my drug dealer and be like, so. How are you? How are you? Hey, drug dealer, can we jump on a Zoom? Yeah.

Hey, let's hop on a Zoom. Oh, hey, you got to download Teams. You've got to download Microsoft. How's your week? Have you seen, man, the Rockies aren't doing real well. I actually in a three-game win streak right now. Yeah, they just swept them more. See, if you had done that, your drug dealer would have told you that they're on a three-game.

Game Winstreet. Same thing with doctors, man. When, when doctors do the small talk, I'm like, let's just get to my prostate, shall we? Yeah,

stick your finger at my brother. I don't need. Yeah, just like, I want to hear the glove, like right when you walk in the door and I know what to do. Don't need.

Cradle and cough. Don't need to ask, like, if the kids are out of school yet. I don't even know what grade they're in. Ha ha ha. I'm 40 years old. Get in here.

Actually, that hasn't happened yet. Am I supposed to start doing that soon? I think they pushed it back to 45. No, it's actually 35. My mom texted me about it. I was like, oh, I've been doing it since 25. Yeah. No, but I'm kind of hoping that

that like real soon they'll be like oh we just invented a new way to see the inside of your bottle you don't have to even you don't even have to drop your pants although i do enjoy the hernia test is that the that's the cough yeah oh you do you don't get that checked yeah yeah you can get that checked i'm not offering a service yeah i'm just saying you're going to say hey seriously we're pushed it back to 45. I just had a physical. We talked about this. It's 45 now.

45. Yeah. No way. Yeah. If you're very high risk, go 40 to 40. Okay. But yeah, Bo's mom is. All right.

She tricked my brother and to get one like a month ago. So it's on him. What's the punchline? There's no punchline. She texts our group chat, our family group chat somewhat regularly about how me and my brother need to get colonoscopies. Isn't that different? than a prostate check and a prostate check and my brother got both so yeah for him he's ahead of the

curve baby yeah no he's he's he's he's safe yeah he's safe dialed how what's on your mind how shitty of your mother i couldn't i just i no no frequent listener of this pod so i'm sure i'll get affected your mom sounds really am is she that's a real anus crime heinous crime nice

nice you know good shit boys a bunch of people listen to pot are like fuck man I didn't get my prostate checked drop it in the comments

tell us how it went drop what in the comment the prostate how it went drop your you're how you're prosa yeah yeah yeah yeah

how about this like this I'm thinking about people that overshare things with like the whole streamer generation like do you see this stuff like streamers like how famous they are and like the things that people are well they have to be online 24 right do they do they like all right I'm about to go in

I show speed is the doctor already This is Dr. Bob, Dr. Bob's about the... Sound effects and shit. Chad, am I cooked? Yeah. Is my prostate cooked?

Do you want to know my favorite athlete brand? Sure. Kind of got passed over when we were talking about it. Passed over. Who personifies... He didn't talk. Class, grace. He started working on here.

What you say? John Daly. Okay. He has a brand. Duh. Effortless elegance. John Daly? No, no.

Too highbrow. Understated dominant. Too highbrow. But it's all that. But it's authentic. No. Are you ready? No, I know.

I know who you're going to say. I've said the guy's name yet. Roger Federer. Well, fuck. Yeah. And he's just, he's just doing, he's doing Rolex commercials. Yeah. Fucking like private check.

He's not. He's not. Relatable. Oh, not relatable. No. Not relatable. Receding hair lines, not fixing. The one thing that he is, so he did tag your watches. I remember this. He did tag. What else is tag your cell? Trash cans. Very affordable traffic.

They do? Yes. Isn't that nuts? What a hell. Very high-end watches and trash can. Really? I didn't see a Roger Federer branded trash can for sale, all right? He's too highbrow for me. Humble excellence. I think Nadal is just timeless style. I love Nadal in all his spots. Do you?

When he's on a commercial. What would you, what would you, what would you, what would you pitch Nadal? What product would you pitch Nadal? It's got to be a little gritty, a little sweaty, workhorse. Viagra. I thought you didn't like him. Nadal? Yeah.

No, Nadal's cool. I don't like Jokovic. Oh, Jokovic, that's it. What would you pitch him? Bizer. Yeah, like maybe like visors, you know? Because those aren't cool. No, visors are bad.

He said Pfizer. And I heard visor and I think visor is more on the point. Yeah. Yeah, what's AI? Hi, I'm Novak Djokovic for fucking AI. For fucking, the end of the world. Yeah. Hey, everybody take care.

we'll be back early next week with a pair of guests a pair of guests yeah a pair some really good some upstairs people next week lined up we've got a coach and a GM we'll see if that holds y'all come back and also shout out to hugh douglas this is the hugh douglas cannabis company that i'm wearing on my uh on my chest here Hugh sent me a t-shirt and it's fucking awesome and i bet the The bud is pretty good too. And eventually I'll be able to sample some of that. Hugh is one of my favorite eagles. And he's also just an awesome guy.

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