Green Light with Chris Long - Championship Weekend Recap With ESPN's Stanford Steve. Rodgers Post-Game Comments. Bills' Ride Ends.

Episode Date: January 25, 2021

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Think about the audacity in this situation as you're just like kicking a puppy on national TV. This is everybody's puppy, dude, and you're kicking it on national TV, and you underhand shovel pass the ball to fucking Travis Kelsey for a score. It's like Rick Berry. It was just so disrespectful, dude. It was the second shovel pass they ran in the same spot on the field. Fourth and one, they throw the ball to the right in the flat, just like last week. They're just so disrespectful.

respectful dude. And I felt disrespected sitting here watching it. I hate it. I hate it. They're so good. Happy Monday, everybody. I don't mean it. No, he doesn't. He doesn't mean it at all. Listen, the bills, everybody got kind of comfortable with them. I got excited. I got on the bandwagon. Yeah, Wookie was on the bandwagon. Um, I had invested in the bills. And, uh, they ruined it. They ruined. They ruined it. You know, the bills didn't ruin it. The chiefs ruined it. They did. The chiefs are too

good. And they just became dislikable. Because they're unfair, too good. Unfair, too good. Like literally, we did this thing a month or two ago. Feels like a month or two ago is the beginning of the playoffs.

Okay. Super wild card weekend, stupid. Last weekend, lost a bunch. This weekend, Bill's lost. So yeah, it's been like three weeks, but it feels like eight years, okay? At the beginning of the playoffs, we did a likeability index for all teams in the playoffs, and the bills, and, you know, the bills were great, but the Chiefs were right behind him.

Chiefs, man, it is amazing. I can hear myself now. It is really remarkable that the Chiefs have won a Super Bowl and nobody hates them. Oh, my gosh, it's just, it's Patrick Bahams. He's inherently likable. He's so marketable. fucking hate him now yeah yeah two seconds ago get him off the TV get him off the TV he's got commercials

this is a joke this is a joke before like in this very moment and I don't mean this personally at all because I love Patrick Molles he's like I said it two three weeks ago he's one of the most likable people

in all of pro sports at the superstar level like and he's genuinely like that from the little bit of I've been around him but like more importantly from people I trust that tell me exactly what he's like, like in tough moments and, you know, when things aren't going so well, too. But tonight I hate him. I hate him.

And tonight America probably doesn't care for him too much because you've got Tom Brady and the team who just beat the bills. That's what you got in two weeks. So what we've got here today, the Super Bowl is going to be hideous. Red, red. Weird red, bright red. Look at this. Look at that.

they're ugh that's disgusting how do you even tell who's got the ball I think you got to go gun metal gray bucks and all white chiefs

the NFL emergency mandate special city uniforms like NBA city NFL city I don't care if you know the things that the teenagers do

when teenagers do their edit IG pages where they they edit every uniform known to man and they put football players in baseball uniforms. Put the chiefs in a Royals football uniform and put the bucks in, oh, fuck, the rays.

They're the same colors. Put the bucks in the traditional black and white pirate flag. Did you realize that though? Tampa, they're pro sports teams. They're not the same colors, but Kansas City and Tampa are like sister cities when it comes to uniforms. Kansas City.

And Tampa. For football. Football and baseball. There's the only sports they have in those places, not counting soccer. Oh, no. Think about it. So their matchup, no matter...

Their matchups are hideous. In no professional sport ever played, could these guys, unless you go back to the cream sickles, they still wouldn't look great. Would you go cream sickle for the Super Bowl? That's what they could do to fix this whole thing. That's the one with the orange,

with the buccaneer with the... Yeah, with the old... the old guy with the hoop earring. Yeah. Something's got to be done. Something has to be done. I want to get a petition signed. Yeah.

We're going to take that baby right over to Dave Damashek. Because he's all about it. Say no to red on red. Dude, it's hideous. Arkansas, Texas A&M. Vomit. Fuck, like, you can't name me a red on red that I would like. No.

Nothing's coming to mind. I quickly went to college and then I went further past that. I can't find me. Disgusting. Real quick. So because we're in the middle of a pandemic, because there's so much buildup between now and the Super Bowl in two weeks. Right.

And because it takes 10 days or so for symptoms to show up, I feel like it wouldn't be this COVID pandemic if we didn't have a COVID, the chance of a COVID burst on one of these teams for partying too hard tonight you know, swiping left, swiping right.

People are still out there swiping. I saw a video of Florida the other day and I was like... Time out. Florida, no, that's all. I was like, yo, it's another country right now than where I'm living. Right.

It's like I don't leave the fucking house. When I do, I come to the studio. Like, that's it. It's kind of like a ghost town here. Florida, like, people are getting drunk like it's 1998, just out and about. So you're over under on the likelihood is higher for the Tampa Bay box. Yeah, you get off that plane. It was extremely cold up there.

Probably got home, let's say about, I don't know, 9 o'clock maybe, 9, 10 o'clock. Plenty of time to get home. Depending on the headwinds, you could be out in the streets by midnight. Tampa stuff doesn't close I feel like at all I'm making that up yeah closes when you quit pretty much um so yeah God could you imagine you know some key starters or players popping a positive COVID test day before that's going to be the the sketchiest thing about betting this game gosh if I'm betting this game I'm waiting until next week like I'm waiting until late next week.

Because another thing is, like I've gotten a few texts from people that were like, yo, you're coming down to the Super Bowl? Are like, yo, you're going to be at the Super Bowl? I'm like, wait, people are going to the Super Bowl? Like, to do what?

No, thank you. So that was my thing is like, it's going to be an event down there. And they're going to be forced to go to these events. No, there won't be events. They won't make your players go? No, no, no, no. That's against league rules.

They're going to be down there. There's going to be things going on. like not above board things going on. And guys are going to have to say no to stuff. Right. A lot like my little league coach used to break us down on what do you say no to? One, two, three, drugs.

Drugs. Everybody said drugs. Say no down there to whatever, like. Thought he was signing with Pitts? No, I know. That's good. I'm just making sure you didn't like sign with Tampa Bay or he's not like. I mean, if you're a coach,

what do you do? Find people? Tell people you're going to put like ankle bracelets on them to make sure they're not going crazy? Listen, like I know people are living their lives. out there to a degree some people are out there and whatnot and you hope for you hope everybody's masking up and being safe and hopefully you know maybe you can go out and eat dinner and that sort of thing it's just not for me i'm just like i don't want to go to dinner that bad i don't want to be at a bar

that bad i don't need to drink outside my house that bad but say there are people doing it that doesn't mean you're living by the same rules if you're on the tampa buccaneers or on the kansas city chiefs like literally these two weeks you have a job 53 people have to be good And that's the thing is like you are You are oh my God You're affecting legacies bro You're affecting the history books

Because like let's say everybody's doing well And somebody who doesn't play much Is like forget it I'm gonna go party Gets COVID but then spreads it to somebody else So even if you're right Yeah that's what I'm saying yeah No that's what I'm saying 53 people have to be buttoned up

But let's say like somebody's Hall of Fame Credentials get affected by this Oh my God Laces out Fingle Laces out We basically have half the team in COVID protocol right now on this podcast. Like the way we're talking.

Just bubble people. No, but that's what they need to be. All right. So Stanford Steve and I, because he's a big shot. He's got Midnight Sports Center after the Kansas City game wrapped. We didn't have a lot of time.

So what we did is we chopped our normal responsibilities in half and we reviewed after the Green Bay, Tampa game, instant reaction, and did the same thing for Kansas City Buffalo. Note the difference is in energy. And then at the tail end, we'll tie up some loose ends here.

So stick around for that as well. Green Bay, Tampa, Kansas City Buffalo, Stanford Steve. Brady goes for the deep shot. He's got a touchdown, Scotty Miller. Oh my gosh. All right, Steve's here. Game just ended. Brady's going to the Super Bowl.

You were just saying before you came on. It feels to me that people are kind of tired of Tom Brady, the average fan. It's a, yeah. You know, every, I mean, I'm like, we are literally minutes after the game ended. There's going to be one guy that finally leads a team to hope to play in the Super Bowl in their own stadium. It would be TB12. That's insane, dude. It's unbelievable.

but just going back to the beginning. Like I can't tell you how good he was in that first half. He was amazing. And one of the reasons I thought the Packers would have the advantage in this game. And it actually, I'm going to not humble brag here a little bit, but the cold weather definitely affected the Buccaneers receivers. There's no doubt in my mind. Fournette comes out the first two past plays, doesn't want any part of catching the ball.

I thought Johnson had a – there was some huge drive. Mike Evans, but Brady continued to put the ball right there all half long. And I'll tell you what, if, if Roger, I know the buck's got the turnover right out of the get in the third quarter, but it's seven nothing. And Rogers has a third and 15 on his own five yard line and gets that conversion. On the run on the right side line. That was a big voice. Like if he doesn't get that, it's a blowout.

This kid, because I did, I mean, I know everybody who was grumbling. about how the Packers came out, but like it was on the verge of getting real bad with how precise Brady was. Brady was great in the first half. I mean, they picked on, they picked on Sullivan. He's a guy I didn't even, wouldn't, you know, like, I played with him. And I was like, oh, shit. Like, he's going to be, they're going to be picking on this guy this game.

And it made sense. And everybody in the slot early was getting picked on, you know, like right from the get go, you could tell Tom was on that 27-yard or two, Mike Evan. I mean, he was sharp. I mean, burning the blitz. I don't know why they were coming out that way. Yeah. Even manning up with Mike Evans on the touchdown, like, what are we doing early for Green Bay? And Mike Petten has done a much better job the second half of the season, but this was not his best game because you just didn't want to see them jump out to lead if you were Green Bay. I mean, you certainly have the firepower, but why have to use it? And, you know, like I'm watching Brady, look people off early in the game him and Aaron together it was everything we asked for oh god it

it's just and you had the protection Steve you had the protection those guys protected up front early that was great I would say this about the bucks though they're a sloppy ass team I mean like all the drops you just talked about which I think Leonard four net he's just got the drops but Godwin drop one Tyler Johnson drop one uh you know the three picks you know which one of them was a punt and you know Brady missed some balls in the second half, no doubt about it. No doubt. You know, they give up a 50-yard bomb to MVS, the diving before the two-minute warning at the end of the game.

Like, what the fuck are we doing? But all in all, I really do feel like this team, it makes no sense to me because Tom Brady is so on top of his stuff, so detail-oriented, and they're so not concerned with the details at times it seemed. But yet they're here, and they're going to be playing in Tampa. the coolest thing about those drops that we talked about, he goes back to Chris Godwin, the next play, who's second and eight,

sets up third and eight, that drop in the first half before the bomb. That was basically a 50-50 ball at Savage. And then late in the game, he goes back to Tyler Johnson, who makes a big catch, and then obviously the flag late. I think one of the biggest questions about this game that people are going to be talking for, in recent memory, have you seen people being allowed to play on the second last?

level like this in any game. Well, yeah, it's it's two things to me. To answer that one first, I thought Aikman was great in the broadcast. You said, you know, you're out here letting these guys play all day. And then we're going to come across to get, you know, we're going to get a flag on that game deciding of a play. And my issue is, if you're going to call it on the, on the shirt drag, then that flag's got to be out before the ball hits the ground.

He ran like 10 more steps after that. the jersey's grab. So that flag's got to come out. It can't be one of these delayed basketball to see if the ball goes in the hoop, you know, until I call a foul flags. You know, and then obviously the other part is Green Bay kicking the field goal. Down eight, fourth down. They were not pretty.

Twitter is so mad. I was very proud of myself. I didn't go on Twitter once during the game. Yeah, well, you know, I got to keep the ball in the air. You know, like I don't have the midnight show yet, you know? So let Scott tweet for you. Okay, I'm sure he was. I'm sure he was.

No, but I mean, you're right. I mean, I would have liked to see that flag earlier. It was the right call. I saw some people on Twitter. Like, it's so tiki-tech. Anytime you see a guy's jersey out behind him three yards, they're going to throw that flag, albeit usually you expect it sooner.

But the difference between that tug that Murphy Bunning got away with the first half, where it was, who was a lizard, didn't even, Well, I tweeted something. It's a good thing you didn't, that you weren't on Twitter because I tweeted something like, Lizard had the sun in his eyes, because I don't know if you saw in that replay, he was not trying to get hit going over the middle,

and he could have broke that ball up. That doesn't make it, you know, not Aaron's mistake, and that doesn't make it not PI. Packers fans, they were rushing to their keyboards to tell you that they were the victims of a bad call. The difference between that and the call late was that judge back there and he's a long way away

I'd love to see the camera on him to see how many crow hops he needed to get that flag into the vicinity he was like deep third he had a direct line of sight at that jersey I mean literally right down the so you know he's got to call that it was just a tough one

if you're if you're Green Bay to lose that game on but you were gifted an extra time out as well right before that with that terrible slide at 202. Yeah. Let's go back. Let's go back to the Green Bay decision to

kick the field goal at 31.23. Hate it. They kick it. Understood. And I know everybody's go-for-2 guy and go for it on fourth down guy. And this is where I think the gut reaction of a game has to come into it, Chris,

because you have to realize who you're giving the ball to over there. Right. It's the greatest to ever play the position. If there's one guy that you have to think about, you know what, we might not get the ball back here. I know all the numbers say, you know, certain things, but this guy's an absolute freakazoid and has been as this situation a million times.

And what do they do? They get, they overcome a mistake. Now, I will say for the, for the kick returner, that's easy for you guys to say when I got my hands team out there and I got to catch the ball and I got 11 dudes coming down to tag me. Right. I'm getting down. I'm getting down because I know I got TB 12 coming up.

What do they do? They come out, they throw the ball on first down. Now it's second and one. Ballsy. Second and one. And again, going back to a guy in a really key situation, you're behind the eight ball if he drops that ball. Mike Evans with the drop earlier, we talked about that.

He went back to three guys tonight that had bad drops. And I think it goes looking back a little bit as Green Bay gets into this game. You know, we talked about the first half how good Brady was, and that set the tone for the game. I really thought it was almost over at half time, especially because I just, I know how Brady, how good he is. And it was very uncharacteristic to see him throw those picks. But I think that also goes, you know, you want to talk about balls. I think it goes to the balls and the daringness that Bruce Ariens and Brian were left was, you know, called the game today.

Yeah. You know, they were not going to go down, you know, for example, if that game is 2810 and Bill Belichick, the head coach. Can you imagine how different the play calling is with the team leading? It was completely different. Yeah. It just was such a, and at times,

I mean, you know, like I get it being aggressive, but some of those balls I'm keeping on the ground. I thought the two for one situation was so interesting. You talk about like, you know, the last couple of minutes before the half and then after the half

and like literally Green Bay has a tailor-made two-for-one situation. They get the pick and then they give up the deep ball for the touchdown. and you're like, oh, okay, well, we get the ball out of the half. Then White drops his coverage, and Whitehead comes down and makes a terrific play, I believe was on Aaron Jones, right? Yeah. Never put the ball away. And that's seven there.

So it goes two for one Green Bay to two for one Tampa, and that was the biggest momentum shift in the game. And, you know, last couple of years, we've had a couple 18 plus point deficits get erased. You know, it was Kansas City, Tennessee. it was the Super Bowl, obviously the Tom was a part of, and then there was one more I saw, but like, you didn't need to spot them 18 points there, and that was the biggest

culprit. Well, how do they spot them 18? To me, I mean, it's fourth and three. There's, I don't know, I think it was what, 17 seconds left? It was nothing. I went upstairs. I had the fucking under, which was 27 in the first half. Two weeks in a row, I get burnt on the, on the play in the corner in the Cleveland game,

on a total in the first half, and then the Scotty Miller bomb. But I got to ask you, like you're, you know, we talked about the defensive guys. Like to me, Green Bay was totally flustered

and had no idea what was going on. No. They showed Brady, have his coat on. They show him take it off. He goes to the wristbandings. He's like, all right, yeah,

we're going for it. Like, he's be lining out to the field. And to me, Green Bay was on their heels on that fourth down because they, you know, it got back to the fourth down

with Henny and Tyreek Hill, the chiefs. Are they really going to run a player? Oh my God, they just got it. And then no clue, no communication pre-snap with eight seconds left. And the idea, like, you know, everybody's saying pre-vent, guard the out of bounds. How about just guard your guy? Like, play your defense.

Right. You know, and to me, King just didn't think that they were going to go at them and run the deep ball. And Scotty Miller made the play of the game. And those receivers got after those guys. I mean, I would be a little disappointed if I was a Green Bay fan because I'm thinking that's where we might have, not an advantage, but a place that we can kind of,

a place that we can kind of negate a strength for them is in the secondary. And the wide outs won for Tampa, but you know who else won big, and we said this coming in. The Packers had not had a chance to adjust to not having David Bakhtiari against really good edge rushers.

And that offensive line has been very good inside, and Aaron Donnell was hurt, so I'm not counting that. after a while, at first the three sacks early, some were covered sacks. It was a hitch too long. Those guys got stronger as the game went on. And if you look at Tampa, every time they got a sack, but one, Green Bay did not score on possessions.

And anytime Green Bay punted, there was a sack involved in that possession. So, you know, if you get home, it totally, it's an old aheadage in the NFL. If you get a sack, statistically there's a chance. that there's a higher chance that they're going to be punting the football, and they're not going to get a score. And that was a story today. Those guys were huge. JPP sacks set up, Aaron throwing off his back foot and throwing that pick in the first half

at the end of the first half. No doubt. Those guys were awesome. I also want to talk about, it goes back to that first game against Washington. I think Tampa Bay's offensive line has really, really stepped up. Now, you got Tom helping things out, and you know how good of a decision maker is. But when they needed to, man, they were really good. I thought Green Bay's pasturus would be more a factor.

They were not a factor today with how many times, you know, Tom dropped back. I thought that they would be able to get pressure on them. Those guys did a great job. I thought their personnel was there. But like just going back to Washington, obviously last week going down playing in New Orleans against those guys, you know, those, you know, maniacs they have out front. Yeah. They're not going to get talked about for two weeks because this is going to.

going to be Tom Brady's going back to the Super Bowl with the Buccaneers. But really, really shout out to the Buccaneers offensive line, man. They're really, really impressive. Absolutely. It was not a unit that, you know, with the unknown, with Worf's, and Donovan Smith's not thought of as being elite necessarily, but, you know, some unheralded guys inside, you know, this year in total. Yeah.

Marpet, Jensen. And Jensen almost got himself killed at the end of the time. the game, snapping the ball. Jensen really likes to mix it up in between whistles. He likes to mix it up in between whistles, and I think he's got like a fetish for Tom getting mad at him because he tried to snap the ball over his head late in the game.

Tom actually had to jump six inches off the ground and catch a football and then deliver a strike. That would have been, he would have been public enemy number one. Listen, we said before the playoffs started, I liked Green Bay to win it all unless they played Tampa. This was it.

Tampa just saved, I think, the other teams on the other side from seeing Green Bay. But as the dust settles, as imperfectly as they played today, Tampa, turning the ball over, some of the mistakes they made, they still beat the Packers. And guess what? They match up pretty well against both teams on the other side of things here. Very, very versatile both sides. I really, I like that. And, hey, trying to prepare for this Bruce Ariens thing, man, like good luck.

He's going to have every trick in a bag, you know, with Tom there. But yeah, like, it's, I know people don't want to see Tom Brady. You know, the casual fans kind of tire him and I get it. But like, this is, this is pretty darn impressive. And I will say, this isn't your mom and dad's Buccaneers team. Like, there's some serious talent on this Buccaneers team. There's plenty of clips we can find at the Worldwide Leader this year that, you know, of talking heads just absolutely getting.

giving up on the bucks. And we were all waiting for it, right? If we don't like Tom and I like Tom, but everybody was just waiting to bury him, I think he's got another few years in him. One more question before we slide out, and we watch this Bill's Chiefs game. Yep.

If the Bucks win the whole thing, Ariens are Kubiak in those two respective runs, who had a bigger deal to do with it. It's gotta be Bruce, but for a while, we looked at Bruce as an impediment to Tom's success. Yeah, I mean, that's, you've got to give the guy credit that because you're dealing with a Hall of Fame quarterback who's coming in that could run any system you want.

Right. But you also are the head coach and you have your system you want to implement. And I think it took some struggles and some negative things to happen in order for this thing to work out and kind of mismash Tom's idea of office. and Bruce's idea of offense to work. Yeah, I haven't seen too many teams evolve that way throughout the season and end up where they are now. Pretty awesome.

If you're a Bucks fan, I don't know who they are. They're out there somewhere. And if you're a Patriots fan, probably not so fun to be sitting at home with no rooting interest. Well, you have one rooting interest, and I'm assuming, and it didn't work out too well. There's my homes. Fuck it, we'll do it live. We'll do it live! The bills are dead, dude.

Yeah. Wolf Blitzer is blackout. Wookie's here now. Wookiee showed up right when I had a chance at a backdoor cover and everything went to shit. Your exact words were, things are looking up. Yeah, you sat down and then the Pills. pick happened or what?

I mean, you know about my jinx status, right? I'm like epic. Yeah. I'm like, I deliver, and I sat down, cracked a beer, and then it all went to hell. And then I'm looking at Chris like. Yeah, dude. It was bad. It was bad.

So Steve's back. I'm losing on the bills like four different ways. You know what? A couple weeks ago, Steve. Yeah. We did a thing on likeability of teams in the playoffs and the chiefs scored very high. I hate the chiefs. now.

Tonight was the night that the novelty wore off on the Chiefs, dude. It's, I don't know, I don't know where to go with this because you had it all in front of it. And, you know, they played in week six, the Chiefs won. And then from that game, they both combined to go 10 and 1 or 11 in 1. And it was 10 and 1. And in those games, the bills went 10 and 1. against the spread and the Chiefs went one in 10. And it was like, it felt like if this, you know, were they going to get it all back in one game? It sure looks like it. To me, it just shows,

Chris, how well you have to play in order to beat this team. Yeah. So this, this was rough, man. This, this was, this was rough. I think even if you do respect the Chiefs and you like the Chiefs and I'm certain, I count myself up until tonight in that group, everybody. was rooting for the bills right everybody in america everybody on twitter it was a like a bills fan festival all the sudden bills fan festival like i turned into a bills fan i fell in love with the mafia and now you're now i'm kind of pissed yeah i'm like disappointed you're you're the host of the podcast you're on is like you got to be really pissed right now i'm really pissed right now chris yeah kind of pissed ain't doing it we all got to be really i'm really mad we got to be in rage Steve how you feel

man. I just wanted Green Bay or Buffalo in the Super Bowl and now we don't have either. Yeah, and we have the worst uniform matchup too. It's going to be hideous to look at. Really bad. Red and off red. Disgusting. What are they going to do with the Pirateship?

They're going to cover that thing up? That feels unfair. Does it? It feels absolutely unfair. It's not supposed to really be a home game. With that pirate ship peering down at Patrick Mahomes, they should look into that. 20,000, they'll be fine. 20,000 people? 20,000 fans.

NFL said they were getting it. I hear that the NFL is giving tickets to 7,500 frontline workers, all vaccinated. I heard that. I heard that a few times today. Yeah, I don't know what to make of this matchup. I like the bucks, honestly. I knew you were going to say that. Issue is I have talking myself, I think this is a huge deal with Fisher going out with the Achilles.

Yeah. That's a big deal. We talked about how much we like the Tampa D-line and what they did today and what the talent they have at the edge rusher position. I mean, takeaways from the game. Josh Allen didn't look like himself early, that's for sure. It took them a while to get in rhythm. I thought they did a nice job out of the half,

but the pick was killer. And, you know, you knew it was going to be a long second half when you come right out and Tyree Kill, was it Tyree Kill on an end around? It feels like six hours ago. we're sitting here in the fourth quarter. And they're lucky he steps out of bounds, you know, because he damn near scored.

They just, man, to spot them nine points and do this, they never cease to amaze me. They spotted the Titans last year. They spotted Houston last year. I was just going to say. And so last week's the one that you take out. So in four of their last five playoff games, which includes a Super Bowl,

they've been down at least two scores, and they've won every single game. And I don't think it's that surprising to people. I thought they were going to win every game they played out of those games. It's just they, you have to be so mistake-free against them in every sense. You can't go down there and kick field goals. The field goals are not going to beat the Kansas City Chiefs. You have to score touchdowns. You have to go for it on fourth down in the red zone.

They dictate so much in every aspect that it's, it's, I mean, it's not something that I've ever seen before. Have you ever had to prepare defensively for something like this? No, and I wasn't around during Greatest Show on Turf. It'd be interesting to talk to somebody who, you know, like in that moment was, you know, an arbitrator of, hey, if you were D.C., like one of these coaches who's been around through both of these explosions. explosions really is what they've been. Which one took the league by storm more? I want to say greatest show on turf was kind of was kind of more, it had more pop because the game was so different than. These guys are just doing what everybody wants to do better than anybody can do it. Yeah. I do remember reading Belichick's book, The Education of a Coach.

and in that he detailed the game plan going into the Rams in the Super Bowl because they played them earlier in the year. And the big part I remember reading was he wanted to, when Marshall Falk was in the game, no matter what he wanted to get hits on him. So if he was in pass pro, like whoever was alerted to him, automatic go and get a shot in on him.

Boy, he took that and ran with it for about 30 years because the year I was there was like, dude, you couldn't even rush. You just had to go hit. hit tight end, hit the running back. But damn, I'll be damned if it doesn't work, you know. No, no doubt about it. It can be frustrating to buy in.

But yeah, you got to be creative to beat these guys. You got to find a wrinkle. You got to be able to score with them too. And the way I think the bucks can beat them is actually, none of the things I just mentioned, it's hitting Patrick Mahomes, who is limping around a little bit right now, who, you know, is risking long,

term damage, shooting stuff up right now. The way I look at it, right? I mean, it's turf toe. Anytime you're numbing something up, if that's what he's doing. Yeah. You know, you just, so you know what this means to him? He doesn't look 100%. I thought it would affect him more tonight.

Performance-wise, you could see it, but it didn't manifest in the way he threw the football or moved around throwing the football. Does two weeks give you enough time on the turf toe? Yeah. That's exactly what I was going to ask. They're lucky. I mean, it's, you know, but like I wouldn't do much.

This is the hard part. I don't know where he is. I was going to ask you, how much does he practice? I think he's got to be, I think it's incredibly important that he's available the week leading up. I was just saying, that's why I say next week is, but he's got to have a couple days here, right? Yeah. You would think. Because I think it's about getting through this week, being able to maximize the way that you can prepare without,

jamming that thing up even worse running around. And I don't want to speculate, but that's what we're doing. No, yeah. I mean, it doesn't look like he's 100%. No. So you've got to find creative ways to get your reps at speeds that guys are not going to get cold, you know, like for having not gotten at least 80% speed routes and, you know, timing and that sort of thing. If you don't do that for a week because you're quarterback, like if Chad Henney's in there for a week,

it's not the same. You really got to have a crisp week. to practice the next week. So you have to be creative this week, and I'm sure they will be in how they prepare. Over under 57. Is that what we're looking at? Super Bowl, yeah.

I tend to like the over, but I kind of like the over because I think they can get, I think they can get Patrick Mahomes to turn it over one time. There's my little, I might like the over on the heels of a costly turnover.

You played in the only Super Bowl that had a higher over under. Really? Do you know which one it was? The first one. Yep. Yeah, 51. Because, I mean, Atlanta, people forget, and I hate saying people forget, they were the number one offense in the league.

And they actually surprised at least this guy right here sitting in this chair how good they were. Wasn't that when Freeman was just going off? Freeman was real good for them that year. except for that blitz protection hiccup in the Super Bowl. Thank you. No big deal. Thanks a lot. But he was fantastic for them.

I love about that one gets put on Matt Ryan too. Exactly. I mean, like we talk about quarterbacks and legacies and that sort of thing. There's an argument to be made that Matt Ryan's got a good a chance to get in the Hall of Fame as Philip Rivers. You know, to me at least statistically, you know, Phil's been at it longer. Look, I mean, Patrick taking a knee didn't look good. No, got somebody else into take a knee.

Jeez, Louise. Yeah, any, anything is possible. Anything is possible. You can take a knee with your backup quarterback. And yeah. And fumble it and let them score and screw it up two more times. You're going to win anyways. Dude, I just, I'm just, I think my love for the game is,

the Chiefs killed it. Chiefs killed it. The bills, and look at Andy Reid's. Can we talk about that for a minute? Half of a bra on his face. He's got half of a Chief's brapped over his nose. It's like a banana hammock on. Half of a Chief's bra on his nose.

But he also doesn't have the strap that goes over your ears. It's looking. It's underneath. Like, how does he get it to stay? What happened? And then he's got a hole in it for the microphone to go on. It looks like a speedo. It looks.

No, it looks like half of a bra. It's just, what happened? Look at that thing. Who told him to walk away from the shield? Like, he was the guy that did the shield. He started me here with the shield. Week one. Some of these, some of these O-Lyman that we never expected to see the field this year are psyched about getting there in two weeks.

I don't know. You lose Eric Fisher. I do feel like pressure is going to be an issue. But it's going to look way different than the first time around. You know, the secondary second half of the game with Whitehead out was down both safeties. That's what I'm going to say. Are they going to be able to get Winfield back in those guys?

And then also, like, has Antonio Brown become available? I'm banking on that. I'm banking on, I'm banking on Vaughn, the other running back for Tampa. I'm banking on them getting the safeties back. That's me being optimistic. But, you know, that's why Green Bay was going to move the ball the second half of the day today. but especially being down two safeties, that's a big deal. Well, last week when we did the pod, you were talking about,

well, probably the most unexciting for you was the chiefs versus the bucks. As far as like the likability and people being over the quarterbacks. For sure, for sure. I mean, this is one of the, at least we got spared a bunch of graphics about how old Josh Allen was when Tom Brady played in his first Super Bowl. right yeah yeah you're right that would have been the fucking thing every producer would have been like here are the five here's a picture i'm in kindergarten this is when tom got his first car okay this is just getting milk it's next time i'm getting milk like i just felt like karma

bills mafia all of that was gonna very rarely does that's i know they just they won me over Yeah, you're talking about most of the country probably thinks that same thing about, and what we do is we get on the same day, the bills losing and Tom Brady going to the Super Bowl. For most people, that's like, oh, 2021 was supposed to be better. Yeah, how about, yeah, right, right. We thought 2020 was bad. Yeah. Buffalo. He's going to bring new things.

There's Tom Brady. It's just, it's just a calendar. It's just an arbitrary. Calendar. I mean, it has something to do with the sun and the moon and shit like that, but it's just numbers, man. Nothing was going to change. And it actually got worse. That's crazy because you do, you do, you team the ride is over. Kyle tweeted, my brother tweeted like a Google tab of him trying to find out how to sell a table. Is he just super bored?

No, I don't think he's super bored. It's, you know. all right i just had to ask i don't know is he kind of like anti bills with that tweet imagine being that you know like uptight that you're anti bills kyle relax man what do you mean by that how do you mean how to sell a table like like damn it my team lost i got to ditch my stash of tables yeah what do i do with all these tables i think he was poking fun at people that were like

maybe bills fans for sure but also like maybe bandwagon bill fans. This guy. Man, when Jim Nance said at the end, like so matter of fact, Tony, a field goal here would make it a three-score game. Like, there was nothing else to talk about. I felt like the gambler in movies

where you can hear the TV and the guys just like head down. That was me sitting here in the studio. I feel terrible because I really did walk in and you were like, things are looking up. Bro, you know, it was almost like two different games. Yeah.

It was two different games. The first 10, no, yes, there was definitely pre-Wookie, but the first 10 minutes, it was, do you remember when Hardman dropped the ball and they fall on it before Hardman hit, it's an end around for 51 yards and a touchdown and that sort of thing? And you're thinking the bills might win this thing. They panned the sideline and Matt Barkley is doing the hop up and down,

grabbing Josh Allen, like, and they're looking at each other, they're hopping. And that's the universal, like, holy shit we can do this we're gonna do this huh yeah and they had that hop yeah and i and i was sitting here and i was like that's the hop i was like that they're gonna do this i've been on teams that like when you go on the road you know if kansas city makes a big play it's some like powerful fist pump it's patrick mahomes you could see like they're like the fucking kings of the jungle but that felt like the underdogs that sucker punch the chiefs in their house and for 10 minutes you

were like that has everything about this as they jumped them there's no way to the Chiefs are going to come back from this deficit two after last year. It's unbelievable. It's two different games, dude. I was so hopeful. But then to tie the first game in, Andy goes back and gives the ball to Hardman on a reverse, and he goes 60 yards,

and then all that momentum on the bill's head is gone like that. Think about the audacity in this situation as you're just, you're doing the equivalent of, like, kicking a puppy on national TV. This is everybody's puppy, dude, and you're kicking it. on national TV, and you underhand shovel pass the ball to fucking Travis Kelsey for a score.

It was like Rick Berry. It was just so disrespectful, dude. It was the second shovel pass they ran in the same spot on the field. Fourth and one, they throw the ball to the right in the flat, just like last week. They're just so disrespectful, dude. And I felt disrespected sitting here watching it. I hate it.

I hate it. They're so good. they are so initial reaction you're taking the points initial reaction i am taking the points what are the points let's see four and a half three okay yeah i'm probably taking the points you know what no i'm not taking the points money line love it money line so if there's one guy that can bring a team to host a super bowl it's tom brady if there's one guy that can beat the chiefs it's Tom Brady in a rematch which he did against the greatest show on turf do you think Patrick Mahomes is happy that he's going to be looking across the sideline at Brady or do you think

he preferred Aaron Rogers I think he'd have preferred I think he prefers it just how it is totally you got to look at things like yeah I don't think I mean he I don't think he's one of those guys that really matters just because he loves what he has in his own unit I feel like even though he burnt he burnt them early, especially in that ball game early in the season, there's an element to, I'm assuming here that if you're that great,

you just want to control what you can control. And I'd rather control the tougher task on my side of the ball, playing Tampa. You know, like, I can control that. I think I can do something to beat this rush. I think I can torch him just like last week. I don't care how many offensive linemen we were down.

But if you're playing Aaron Rogers, you might not have control over the thing that beat you, and that's them scoring 40 points. You know, I do believe there's something to controlling, you know, your matchup, and this is best case scenario for Patrick, for a few reasons. Legacy-wise, I know he doesn't think about that, but beating Brady, as you said, it's a big deal. It's a big deal.

When the Chiefs go in the locker room here, is it like a Major League Baseball where they celebrate in champagne and everything? No, there's no champagne. There's not like goggles and shit, which I think is... No? No, because we get sore after games. I know those guys don't get too sore. Like, you know, it's...

How uncomfortable is the T-shirt over the shoulder pads feel? It's a really goofy feeling. It's a super goofy feeling. And one of the hardest parts is those hats are super goofy fits. That's terrible. They're so stiff. You know, I've got hats from those two years, like, in storage every year. and I dump about half of them each time I go into my closet and sift through them.

I really need to give them all away. They're never good. I'm never going to wear them. I'm never going to wear them. Is the expectation that everybody has to wear it so that the commercial that plays after this, that's like the Sports Illustrated run for the Chiefs, when they sell it on the commercial like 10 minutes later? Yes, they're selling that hat.

Right. So everybody's put it on because you're kind of. They don't tell you you have to, though. they don't tell you you hells he's not i don't think i had mine on for one or two he's got his super bowl mask on though that dude's a baller man he's so good

he might be the reason it i mean patrick's the reason but yeah if he if he wasn't out there they don't look the same that's for sure and i'm i'm treading carefully i'm treading carefully he's a big deal he's a big deal and this guy's just

fucking dumping confetti all over his face good for you good for you I'll send you a bill also next week I'm taking the bucks just for that next week to me

two weeks all right okay you're the only guy here that's played in the Super Bowl so I figured you would have that it feels like it's five days that I know of it feels like it's five days

all right well Steve my man that wasn't that wasn't that wasn't how we drew it up Bill's Nation No. No. Next year.

Shout out to Shooter McGavin. I hope he's okay. I feel like shooter McGavin's probably pretty fucked up right now somewhere. That's a good call. But the Twitter content later for like the devastated drunk Bill's Mafia, that could be pretty good. Just put the phones down. Just go to bed, put the phones down, wake up tomorrow. Is that your PSA announcement to every?

everybody in the greater Buffalo area. Yes, it is. Put the phone down. Do whatever you want. You don't need a record of whatever's going to happen. Just put the phones down. Yeah, do you, but just no need to keep a record. I mean, that's one of the toughest things in sports in all seriousness is how we judge people after losses.

And I'm just trying to help them out. Put them down. Put down the phones. Yes, sir. All right. Steve, see you, see you this week at some point maybe. Absolutely. Okay, bye.

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Terms, conditions, and eligibility restrictions apply. See DraftKings.com for details. So how do you go on from here? I mean, you can just hit on some of the realities in a minute ago. So how do you go on from here? How do you take the next step? Yeah, Bill, it's a good question. I don't know.

I really don't. There's a lot of unknowns going into this off-season now. And pretty tough right now, especially thinking about the guys that may or may not be here next year. There's always change as to the only constant in this business. It's really tough to get to this point. Really, really tough. It's a grind just to get to this point.

And that makes the finality of it all kind of hit you like a ton of bricks. So two quotes from Aaron Rogers after the game kind of made waves. Number one, in so many words, he's not that he understands. He doesn't like it. but he understands. He understands the call. And I think he's being nice when he says that, but certainly with Aaron Rogers clout and his track record,

and he's got this in his arsenal, he could have said outright it was a fucking stupid call. He didn't say it. So great restraint there. But I think there's some truth to it. I think he gets the fact that although, and looking at this stat I found earlier, this is from Rob Daniels on Twitter.

When the Packers kicked a field goal, essentially a dude went back and looked at every situation from 1994 to now. He didn't do it manually. There's machines for that nowadays. With teams trailing by four to eight points in the fourth quarter in the red zone between two and three minutes to go, this was the fourth field goal kicked in that situation out of 115. So Aaron Rogers, it would be well within his right to drop the bomb in that situation. but it was really, and Aaron Rogers was very smart. I talked about this feeling bad for Aaron Rogers.

Smart, good-looking, successful, fucking throws piss missiles all over the field and the coolest position you could play the most important position you could play in American professional sports. But I do feel bad for him because with the game on the line, he didn't have the ball. And that's what really, it irked him,

but I think it irked him even more so because of the context of everything from last off season to now. And his second comment was the one that made the waves, which was everybody's future essentially is uncertain here in Packerland, including myself.

Including himself in that comment was intentional, and it sends a message, and the message is, get this shit right. He's not going anywhere, okay? But him saying those few words after the game it's a shot across the bow saying like listen you get your one-off season where you didn't invest in me

you certainly invested me in in in some ways you invested in me and when it comes to the run game you invested in me when it comes to a j dylan you invested it in little ways like mercedes lewis who snatched j p p p's soul yesterday i tweeted about that he's been doing that since jesus was a baby It's amazing. When I was in the league in 2008, there were many Mercedes-Lewis. I mean, he was still one of the dogs amongst dogs, but blocking tight ends. They don't make them like that anymore. Go look at the tweet, the video I posted. The checkdown picked it up too.

But it was the only thing I saw on this one perimeter run yesterday. JPP, literally 11 yards down the field, depositive, like he was, like he got off the trolley, 11 yards down the field. Marseides-Luess has been doing that for forever. But it was little investments like that that you could say, and we said this last week, man, they gave him what he absolutely needed, but also pissed him off in the same process

with investing in the run game first. You know, certainly little investments like Mercedes-Lewis pay off, and you'd love to see that. And last week, I credited them with getting tougher and more physical up front. but today they didn't even have a chance to use that run game I mean they were down in the blink of an eye and in situations where you're trying to climb back into it Aaron Rogers could probably use one more receiver

he could probably use maybe another alignment he could probably use something that directly impacts the passing game and he didn't have it and I don't think he was he was blaming it anybody it was just to say like okay this this year I'm hoping if we make news it's not drafting a quarterback in the first round when you have maybe one of the greatest ever played the game definitely one of the greatest ever play the game under center for you so get this shit right because nothing has promised including yours truly that's the message and he doesn't have to say much else I think he's held up his his end of the bargain okay

he was he was great about everything this year and what a run we said at the beginning of the playoffs, I thought they were going to win the Super Bowl if not for playing the bucks. And that's exactly how it went down. But next year, you got to turn it up a notch in the department of investing in Aaron Rogers. Because time is ticking, and he wants that second one bad. Look on the other sideline, even though, you know, Bronx's not a huge part of the passing game, A.B's hurt. Fournettes been a really nice option for them in the postseason, but it wasn't some

world beater acquisition. LaShawn McCoy is a name and an interesting acquisition. But, you know, from where Aaron sitting, he's like, Tom joined a super team and my guys drafted a quarterback in the first round who's going to collect dust for five years, unless I get mad enough

to force a trade or something in the next two years because you guys don't invest in me. So yeah, he didn't have to say anything about the call. He said everything he had to say when it came to that shot across the bow the future is unpromised you know can i say something about tom brady at 43 years old throwing deep balls on like on the spot yeah it's funny because like i don't think of him as a guy who's

his his arms never been the thing right but so maybe you know he's in that perfect place where well let's face it breeze played with a torn rotator this year and he couldn't throw a deep ball. They had to bring James in to do it. Right. Philip Rivers. Oh yeah, his arm shot. Couldn't get the ball from the 50 on a Hail Mary. Remember Peyton Manning

his last year when he was throwing his ducks? Nobody's throwing a better ball in his 40s. I mean, it's truly impressive. Aaron Rogers will throw a better ball in his 40s if he doesn't get hurt. Knock on wood. Tom is throwing the piss

out of the ball and you know what I said? You know, I was talking to Stevens. We were talking about how well he played in the first half. Well, the second half, he threw three picks, basically. But where he threw those picks, and I'm not being an apologist here, like he did not play well in the second half. Like objectively, the ball to Mike Evans was his fault.

The other two balls, they're all in Packers territory. Oh, okay. So like, I'm not being an apologist when I say that like, hey, he didn't throw him in bad places. I'm not sure he did that on purpose, but when he took risks, he took them in the right areas of the field. So like, you know, Tom's numbers, you're going to look at it and you're saying, man, this is his third playoff game where he threw three picks,

I guess he's two and one in those situations. He played a lot better than you're going to look at the stats the end of the game, like 10 years from now and be like three picks. Brady threw three picks in his first year with the bucks and that because he's going to play another couple years with the bucks now. Well, I mean, you were in the locker room with him. He doesn't, I mean, I know he's on the leaderboard for stats. he strikes me as a guy

that probably doesn't care if he went like a baseball guy doesn't care if he went over it just wants to win just wants to win just wants to win just wants to win and so he's happy as can be tonight he knows what this says and maybe not like some of y'all are thinking listening this isn't some like fuck you bill

but I would like to think for Tom it's more of a you better put some respect on my name like and well because they call them what'd they call him like a scheme guy or a program guy? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, a system QB. A system QB. You know, my brother, my youngest brother,

Howie used to call him a system QB, but it was like kind of a bit because his high school girlfriend was like so hot for Tom. And so Howie used to walk around for years and be like, he's just system QB until like I went to New England and then he was like super cool and grew up about it.

But like for a while, because of his high school girlfriend, he would call Tom a system QB. I don't think most of him. people are like really making a serious case for him being trash or a system QB but there are just people that have been constantly second guessing him because he never did it on his own it was always bill it was always you know that program they had up there etc and yeah like it wasn't like people were going as far as saying out loud in the media system QB but people have always kind of wanted to see it confirm if you ever got a chance to leave new england and good luck making this decision because

everybody hates Bill and everybody hates Tom. So, like, who do we want it to be? It's at the very least, Tom is a lot more than just a lucky beneficiary of a great program. I mean, Tom is, Tom is an incredible leader. This is the thing about this team,

like, of all the things he's done this year, the gaudy numbers have been cool. You know, he had some rough streaks with turnovers and that sort of thing early. I think his legacy, when it comes to this year, we'll be, I'll look back and say, win or lose next week is,

this isn't incredibly, they're used to being undisciplined, kind of. You know, like, just the way they played offensive football last year, some of the penalties they get, even now during the year, like some of the drops, some of the situational football issues,

and he has kind of, through his leadership, and ironically, he has one of the most famous gaffes this year in the fourth down, thing against the bears. But what he's done is he set a standard, and I'm sure he beat himself up over that situation pretty outwardly in the locker room and that sort of thing because he's very accountable. He created a situation where that shit that was acceptable last year is truly unacceptable

this year. And they've gotten better at it. They're not a clean playing team, but they're way better about just being like having that veteran presence and he brought that to him so and they they changed all year offensively for mahomes if he beats brady it's a big legacy thing right it's a passing of the torch for tom to beat him that like if he loses to brady people in 10 years kids in 10 years on whatever toxic social media platform they'll be arguing they'll be like oh my homes is trash he lost a 43 year old Brady like Brady's gonna have gray hair

he's gonna be on TV at this point or something else Nugenics commercials he's gonna be the gym guy people are gonna be like you lost to the gym guy that when he was 43 yeah that's what's a stake

and kids are ruthless now 2030 when he's up for his next contract I bet you the weeks building up to the Super Bowl is all gonna be around the passing of the guard, the passing of the torch. Old guy, new guy. Yeah, and they were going to make it that no matter what.

But it was funny because two years ago, it felt like Brady staved off, you know, this new generation by beating, you know, Andy and Patrick in Kansas City before they went to the Super Bowl and won it. And then the next year it was like, the changing of the guard is complete, right? Kansas City beat New England on the road

Kansas City won at home while New England lost at home to the dolphins It was just like this moment where everything poetically Just if you were from Kansas City You were like it's us now How about him coming back And if he beats them It's like

You can't get rid of this guy No It would have been worse if it was the bills And they'd have won because think of all the years That they fucking were tormented by Tom Brae and they get to you know what it's probably a good thing the bills lost well I'm thinking of this in my head and I'm going

if the bills went to four in a row and lost four in a row and then show up and beat tom by stakes though yeah man listen if you showed up and lost to the guy that's been beating you for okay you had this run like if you're like 35 40 years old you're like what's been being a bills fan been like uh well there was just long period of time where it was awesome when I was a kid. My dad used to take me the games. I had all the gear. Favorite player was Thurman Thomas. It was amazing. Jim Kelly was awesome. Even though he lost four Super Bowls, it wasn't so bad. Better than the last 20 years because this guy named Tom Brady came around and was beating us

fucking senseless for two decades and tormented us and there was no sense and even believing we could win the division. But we're good now. And he's gone. We're good again. It's like being a kid. He's not gone, bro. He's waiting for you in the Super Bowl. He's I don't know that it's the worst thing. That they didn't go. Yeah. They would have never been able to recover from losing to Tom Brady. Like the storyline of losing to Tom Brady in the Super Bowl, you fought so hard to get back.

Tom Brady was like in college when fucking Jim Kelly was playing. Another interesting thing, like Tom's, you know, two big weapons that were brought in that came with him and kind of made it feel like this off-brand dream team. team, Antonio and Gronk, one didn't play today. And Gronk, who blocks his ass off all game, so funny how people assume when he was coming back that he'd be this same feature type player that he was in New England. He's doing a lot, you just probably didn't see

his name called a lot today until that big screen, which was big play late in the game. It's just funny that these two players that led us to believe, like man, they're assembling this. Oh my god, Antonio Brown's gonna, he really didn't even need him in the past game a lot today. Oh, and when it comes to the bills, one more note before we get into guessing the lines here.

It's a big unknown here. I mean, with Brian Daibel, you know, three weeks ago, I thought maybe he was on the move. Like, I was worried about it. I thought, you know, this could really stunt Josh's growth. Imagine as a player you put together this great year and you build, you know, and a lot of it has to do with the tutelage that you received from this coach and he's on the move.

A lot of the reason I'm afraid for Justin Herbert. Not that Justin Herbert started out like Josh Allen. Justin Herbert was quite the opposite this year. I mean, he was like ready-made pro. But when you cycle through coordinators, you worry. So it's kind of a blessing that they came this far for Josh because although it's plausible that he takes a Houston job, which is totally unlikely.

It's plausible in a 5% way. Just think about it. Like, would you really want to, there's going to be better jobs next year. The only reason you go down to Houston right now is because you like Deshaun Watson that much. Is there a huge difference between Deshaun and Josh? No.

You probably argue Josh is better. Depending on who you're talking to, a Texans fan or, you know, it's a coin flip. Like, who would you rather start your franchise with? Josh or DeShan. Okay, then try this one on for size. Like, would you leave coaching Josh knowing that automatically

you'll have a really nice opportunity next year to go take a chance in a place where you're not going to have a draft pick like for many, many, many picks. And you've got a fucked up cap situation and they have been talking about hiring

Josh McCown right off the field. Deshawn's trying to force his way out. Like it's a shit show down there. There's no guarantees even going to be there. So long story short, I think because of McDermott preferring that Brian Dable doesn't go interview until after they got a championship brown over this two-week period had they won, they kind of Josh dodged a bullet in a weird way because I thought he could be on the move. Why is it in the NFL when you fire someone after the regular season, you don't make the playoffs?

And you rush into this hiring cycle and yet you have amazing candidates that are still coaching on teams. in the playoffs like why not wait well uh the eagles were never going to have a shot at brian dable i i would think todd bowles wasn't in the plans because it was such an offensive-minded hire in philly so that be one for instance is like you know you're never going to you know dable's never going to come down there and coach there i mean like it's just the situation like what i just said you wait a year you're going to end up with a clean slate somewhere you're not going to walk into a situation where the GM and the head coach haven't been getting along. The cap's fucked up.

You got a quarterback controversy. So that'd be one reason because you kind of just know like your ceiling for who you could hire. The Chargers had their guy. Staley was their guy and that was out of left field for me because the thing I mentioned with the coordinators, offensive coordinators moving on that fucking thing's up for a young quarterback.

The prospect of that happening because if you hire an offensive head coach he's probably not going anywhere. If he's a play calling offensive head coach like you're married to that quarterback the other hires so far sala was definitely that's joe douglas to a t the wild card was Detroit lions right but it's pretty apparent to me they're doing a culture that's what i got out of it you know like they're doing a a culture thing and i'll talk more about dan campbell on you know Wednesday's pod probably but in short I think he's not real popular on the internet because he sounded like a like tanya

harding for a solid 90 seconds but I watched the entire rest of the press conference um you know they did a great job with the GM hire they've done a great job with DC hire um they've done a great job with the OC hire you know like Anthony Anthony Lynn um and Aaron Glenn, when it comes to coordinators and hiring minority coordinators, like that's one thing that's real cool. Like the head coaching vacancies have not been filled at a satisfactory rate at all. And that trend continues this year. But, you know, we keep talking about the pipeline and getting coaches in positions

that give these owners no excuse not to hire them. And Anthony Lynn just came from a job where objectively he didn't manage the clock well and did some things that put him at risk to get fired. Aaron Glenn's going to get more opportunities because of this. And, you know, Dan Campbell's coming home. Aaron Glenn's coming home. Anthony Lynn has head coaching experience. That's a really underrated thing.

Like, just because Anthony Lynn wasn't making good decisions, like in real time on the field at head coach and was getting docked for that, doesn't mean he doesn't know all about being a head coach. So you've supported your head coach with a former head coach. and that head coach who people are tearing into right now but you know has been an interim head coach has been an assistant head coach learn from Sprono

and then most importantly to me learn from Sean Payton because when you talk about like when you go into that press conference him talking about game management and when to throw a challenge flag and that sort of thing clock management like that's a hell of a guy to learn that from you know the Saints are a very well coached football team he's not a play caller so it's not like you learn from

and offensive mindset point of view, but strategy. And the reason I like walk around coaches like him when you're doing a rebuild is because there's no quarterback right now that you have to marry your coordinator to. And by the way, they did a good job, whoever they're going to draft. Anthony Lennon, those guys in Stichin did a good job down in L.A., a guy that we didn't think could hit the broadside of a barn at Oregon and all of a sudden looks like a fucking Jugs machine. Well, there's something to that.

So not only do you get a former head coach, but you get a, of a guy that seems to be pretty good. And I know he didn't work directly with Justin Herbert, but that program worked out for him down there. So maybe he picked up some things that will work on a young quarterback. And you've got, like I said, Dan Campbell implementing the cultural change because that's going to be a long build there. You know, like you'll know in the first two years if they're going to be bad for a long time

and this ain't going to work out or if they're just bad for the moment. I suspect they'll be bad for the moment in the near future. They're getting things right at all levels of the hiring process right now. And Brad Holmes, who was in St. Louis when I was there, Brad Holmes started in St. Louis as a scouting assistant in 2003. That's cool. And we didn't know each other that well, but I'm happy for him. Like, you know, we'd see him around the building and that sort of thing,

and you could tell he was like on his way. Time flies, holy shit. like area scout 2009 2010 national scout 11 to 12 so these scouts are all over the place you'll see him at times and then they'll go it's not like it's not like i knew him like i knew less sneed but everybody in st louis respected him and then when you talk to guys in l.a about has he changed like some guys get cocky and that sort of thing when they rise to the ranks same dude highly respected and if you listen to dan campbell's entire press conference which is a novel concept you will hear him at length talk about how important it is for the head coach and the GM to be in lockstep.

Because that is very important around the league. So that's very encouraging to me not to go on to Detroit tangent. I said last night I typed out a 280 character tweet. At the end of it, I go, am I doing a good job Detroit tweet? Because they're starting. I keep taking the cheese with these guys. Yeah. But great job by Dan and the Lions and surrounding him with,

people that are going to help him excel in the areas that he knows he's not an expert in. Listen, I'm not just saying I think he's going to be a good coach because he could block a nine technique. I just, I can read people and I'm just telling you that if he fails, it won't be because of that part of the press conference. It will be because he doesn't pick the right coordinators. So far, he's doing a pretty good job from everything I hear. People love Aaron Glenn, New Orleans. Talk to the DBs down there. They played really well this year. He was a big reason and he is well respected down there. So he's on his way.

It's going to be about game management. It's going to be about Brad Holmes making that pick too. Yeah. Because chances are you're going to have two first round picks maybe if you can get Matt Stafford out of there. Yep. All right. So Tom Brady's Super Bowls, we're going to go back through him.

I'm going to guess the line. We both guess the lines here. Okay. Brady Super Bowls. We got Super Bowl X. XXXVI, A.K.A. 36. I was going to say if we're going to do that and I'm going to have to be on the spot with Roman numerals, it's going to be a long night. Vin Diesel, VI.

Just keep doing the X's and don't look to me that give you the X. Super Bowl, Vin Diesel, 6. Fast and Furious, 34. No, he was in a movie called Triple X. Yeah, I know. Okay. But I'm just wearing like fashion. Did you see that one though?

I did. it's a good movie yeah yeah like we should watch that movie we should and and like i have there's movies i watch with jess and then there's movies i'm allowed to watch on my own i get all the vindee i get all that action stuff you that's what i get to watch by myself you watch solo vind diesel to like let off some steam when you're on an airplane are you doing something what else you're going to do i'm not going to be watching vind diesel on an airplane because you know that feeling on an airplane when everybody you feel like everybody can see the sex scene and on the video in front of you on your laptop or like you know you're watching coming in that

would be a seven-year-old sitting across the aisle you're watching a fucking a biopic on a on a on a physicist and there's a a doggy style scene like for 30 seconds it happens to be when the lady behind you is looking at your laptop and the stewardess is pushing up this and somebody's getting rail and that's basically like hey look that's Chris long I might rather he likes to watch porn on Airplanes. I might rather than think I like to watch porn on airplanes than the movie Triple X or like a Vin Diesel, you know, shuffle. Yeah. That's how embarrassed that. You actually would watch a Vin Diesel. Like, I don't know, he's got some good flicks, but like a triple X type movie? Mindless entertainment is a okay with me. I'd rather, if I'm going to watch Triple X, I'm going to be stone on the couch. I just, what's the best mindless action movie that you can't turn off when it's on TV? I'll tell you what I can't turn off. when it comes on as Predator. And that's not mindless.

That's a great movie. Can't turn Predator off. Action movie I can't turn off. Can't turn Copland off. Sylvester Stallone. Oh, I like the town. Oh, the town. Town's a great movie.

I like those bank. I like a good, my favorite movie is a good action bank heist. So basically, like, you'll be watching a movie, you'll be like, come on, guys, just rob. Can you rob a bank? Yeah. And then can we have a shootout in the street and a car chase? Well, heat is the all-time and point break.

I mean, there's some fucking shootouts in heat that I'm just like. Like, yes. Guns were loud in the late 80s. Yeah. Or whenever that movie came out. Now they got the silencers like John. I can't turn off any Bond movie. John Wick.

No, I could turn. I mean. Oh, Indiana Jones. I mean, let me ask you something. Okay. We'll get to these these scores in a second. these lines in a second I took way on to see

Finding Nemo this weekend shout out to Violet Crown Theater here they're opening up it's very safe you get like you pay a little bit more but you get the whole theater yep which is super cool

I'm sure they're doing that elsewhere it's great I mean you could bring fucking family of six and you know it almost makes sense price wise if you bring enough people

yeah if you just your family's real big like if you're if you were Arthur's Smith, you can bring your whole family and it actually be cheaper. You'd make money. And you'd have more.

Yeah, you would actually get paid. Yeah. To go to the movies somehow. Exactly. There's so many kids in that family. Me and, me and Whalen went to watch Nemo. First off, one of,

one of the best movies of all time. Yes. Yes? Pixar does a great job of like making great movies for kids, but giving us adults. Lessons. Enough. Yeah.

Like moments. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, there's a few. few scenes in that movie that I'm like, this is for me. You know what I mean? Like some of the jokes. Yeah. I, uh, one thing I never realized was that, uh, Marlin, you know, the dad goes the whole movie

never eats. They don't eat anything. They've been swimming presumably from like Tahiti to Australia. Don't eat anything. I don't know. That just struck me as well. That just noticed it this weekend. That's the stupid thing to notice.

But the fish with the scar, maybe the realist character in Pixar history. You know the fish, the Willem Defoe fish? Yeah. And the tank, he was like the one that had been in the tank for a while. Yeah, he was like, shark bait. Ooh, aha.

Yeah. Oh, I love that scene so much. That's such a good scene. Yeah. Such a good scene. Yeah. I love looking at whalen and seeing if he thought the same shit I thought was funny. He loves it when Dory was speaking whale.

Do you remember that part? You know, what's funny is my daughter used to cry during that part. For some reason, that scene freaked her out. Whalen didn't like the shark part. And I think that's a healthy fear. Yeah, we've talked about sharks plenty. Super Bowl, Vin Diesel, 2006, 2002. This is Patriots Rams

3217 was the final, okay? This was great a show on turf. This is when the Patriots were underdogs for kids that are younger listening to this podcast. This is when no-name Tom Brady from Michigan. Yes, and I, and, you know, that was the year he came in for Drew Bletsso and, mm-hmm. So they were dogs.

I want to say they were like, I want to say they were eight and a half point dogs. Greatest show on turf. I was going to go at least seven. I'll make it fun and say nine. Okay. Game time spread Rams minus 14. Oh my God. That's a huge number.

What two teams in the playoffs this year would have, I mean, obviously the Washington football team would have been in, like if Washington played Kansas City, what do you think the line would have been? I don't know. I'm just telling you, it'd be hard to imagine. 14's a huge number. Yeah, I don't remember.

I bet a lot of people took that and thought they got a good... No, I bet a lot of people were on the... Fuck, if I saw a 14-point line in a Super Bowl... Greatest show on turf was... I know they were. 14. Damn, that's a big number. Okay. Woo!

That didn't work out well for him. Super Bowl. Vin Diesel, V-I-I-I... I, 38. Thank you. Only a few years later, the Pats returned to the Super Bowl to beat my beloved Panthers.

I was 18 years old when that happened. Who was quarterback in the Panthers then? Jake Delome. Okay. Delome threw the ball to the other team that night. A few times I think I remember, but he actually didn't play too bad. I would say the...

We actually had a chance for a long time in that game. I can remember. I was pretty crushed. That was a game. You had posters in your room at your house. Fuck yeah. I had a cork board. You had everything, Panther.

I had 40 ounce to freedom. I had DMX. I had like black light mushroom posters that I had no idea what was really going on there. I knew like I just thought it was cool because I had a lava lamp. Yep. I was also a Panthers fan. Also, I remember when the Rams won their first Super Bowl very vividly. That was, um, it had to be the year before.

so 2001 or 2000 something like that that was 15 about be 16 so when they stuff the titans on the yeah we had a snow day the next day it was mike jones mike jones who mike jones who uh stopped uh was it kevin dyson yep mike jones stopped kevin dyson on the one yard line faith hill did the national anthem we had a snow day the next day we stole some cigars And we snuck out because my parents were away. Babysitter had no idea. Look, there's an opportunity, there's a moment where you stole cigars and got away with it.

You know what I think be a cool series that we could do? Come and clean. Oh boy. Just have dad sit in that chair. Just tell him all the stuff I used to do that he had no fucking idea. I was just running reverses. And he was just, he was just, chasing down a he was just chasing ghosts he was just chasing a red her i was i was hardman

for 51 and he's just rushing the passer nightly yeah we got to do that's what was i calling this coming clean coming clean with chris long and then he's going to take a hard right on you when he's like i knew i just didn't feel like giving a damn in that moment and i'd say prove it yeah you're trying to save face on a moderately successful podcast but trending high So on the Panthers I bet the Pats were favored I'll go first this time I bet the Pats were favored

Since they were 14 the year before I guess Or since the Rams were 14 Geez I would say the Pats were favored by Five I'm gonna go four and a half Patriots favored minus seven Yeah dude That really swung quick huh

I feel like bigger numbers back of the day. All right, let's go again. No, but like they were, they were the, they were the, don't have a chance, wins by a touchdown. Vegas was ready to bury them in the desert. 2005, Patriots, Eagles. I have a confession to make. This is to Al Groh.

At the time, I was playing at the University of Virginia for somebody who's very important to me, Al Groh, who I talked to like last week. He was obsessed with the Patriots, Bill Belichick coaching tree, Bill Parcells. So we heard about the Patriots a lot, like a lot.

And usually we heard about the Patriots when we were fucking up. Yeah. And we wore the socks, like the high socks, like pro socks. We wore pro socks in college. That didn't make me feel real fast.

Okay. So I kind of had a lot of stuff against the Patriots, Circa 05. This was the McNabb-Pute game that just came up in the news. because T.O. said he was hungover. And then McNabb was like, I never puked. And then I was like, looking at YouTube, and I saw him puke.

And that was in Jacksonville, I want to say. Patriots 1 2421. That was like the Super Bowl with the ugliest logo of all time. They were like, you know, Super Bowl logos. They try to put something over to kind of capture the spirit of city in Jacksonville. They were just like Jacksonville. like Wayne's World when they were like Delaware. Yeah.

Jacksonville, like, it's a swamp. There was nothing to put on the logo. 2421 Patriots Eagles. I'm going to stick, it's three and a half. At one point, a Patriots Super Bowl was tight. It had to be, I think that this one, I'll say four, because I think that McNabb going into that, they, with T.O. and all that, I thought.

Did they beat Green Bay to get in that year? the Eagles? I don't know. Philly beat Atlanta. Right. Okay. Patriots minus 7 again against the Eagles. Jeez, man. These guys are just,

Vegas loves the Pats. I asked earlier, does Vegas have like a Tom factor? They must. 2008, Super Bowl X-L-I-I-I. That's where Roman numerals started really confusing me.

You know? The L threw you off. Yeah. We'd had to get through the 40s. Yeah, this was 2008. This was in college, and I was still rooting against the Patriots. This was the David Tyree game. I wonder what the total was before that game.

So this was the undefeated year game. This was the undefeated year game, and they played in New York, I believe, week 17 or something. It was like a bizarre thing where the Patriots and the Giants played in New York. York. Giants almost beat them. Patriots might have been resting some guys. I feel like it was higher scoring than this game, so I wonder how high the total was. Patriots were a lock to be the undefeated team. I'm just going to keep saying because I feel like all Super Bowls should be four and a half. I'm going to go with a trend and see if seven hits again. No, you know what? Because they were undefeated. Seven. They were undefeated. They were supposed to win that game. No, they, you know what?

They're even bigger. They're nine and a half point dogs. Patriots minus 12 and the over under was 54 and a half. Yeah, dude. Because I remember arguing with Michael Shrayan about that because I was like, I knew it wasn't true and I was just trying to piss them off, but I was like, biggest underdogs of all time,

at least to beat Tom Brady, like obviously no one is not true. Well, I was kind of arguing that it was true, but I quickly backed down fucking crazy. Crazy. I think that might have been the one that opened single digit and then pushed to 12.

Super Bowl X-L-V-I-2012. I was in Indianapolis partying with a metal rod sticking out of my hand. I just had surgery a couple weeks ago because Marshawn Lynch ran through my hand in the fourth quarter of a meaningless game and I had to get my thumb fused. Well, not fused. This was the first surgery.

So I was fresh off the pain pills. stopped obviously and went to Indy to party and make a little money that was a dull Super Bowl great ending who are the teams in this one

oh this is Patriots Giants this is part two I'm gonna say this line's more like more like five and a half it was so dull I don't even remember anything significant Mario Manningham's catch and then on the sideline toe tap

one of the greatest throws and catches in a key moment. Okay. In Super Bowl history, also generally, like, underwhelming offensive production from the Pats, if I remember, Clint Sintam got a ring. Yeah. Shout out to Clint's symptom. And then Gronk almost caught a Hail Mary at the end of the game.

I would say Pats in this game by three and a half. At this point, I was rooting for the Pats. So that's why I'm going back. I started to get old enough. where I could appreciate greatness. Pats by three and a half. Five and a half. Patriots two and a half.

Wow. So Vegas, dogs on him against the Rams. He wins. They go way high on him, 12s and 7s. Then he loses. They're right about it.

And then they tank him. All right. Next. Be interesting to see where the bets were going too in real time. No, that one made me happy because at this point,

This is the one against the Seahawks, X-L-I-X. That is, let me try to read this. 49. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. I was in Mexico on vacation with Sam Bradford and his lovely wife, Emma, and my lovely wife, Meg. And we were down there watching my morning jacket.

It's got a festival they called One Big Holiday. It's one of my favorite experiences. It's a lovely place. great music and they had a big screen during the festival like a big projector screen on the beach where you could see the game of course it was windy so it was hard to watch so we went into town watched at a bar in playa which was awesome like great potato or not yeah irish great potato chips there you were dropping them in the had a bowl of tomato sauce that you were just that's awesome dropping potato chips and salsa.

Yeah. And like good Mexican beer, because we love Mexican beer. Yeah. As you slug a Takate there. And I watched Danny Amandola win a ring because Danny was really tight with me and Sam. We were tight with Danny and we played in St. Louis.

And I'll just always remember of any Super Bowl I've ever watched live, the crushing feeling of your friend's going to lose and the team in your division is going to win. The swing from that to Malcolm Butler was like insanity in some bar in Plyadale Carmen. Did everybody else? Was everybody else? Fuck no. I mean, there were some Americans down there, so, you know, it was kind of touristy, but...

So it was like, it was large human beings going crazy and everybody else was kind of looking around? I mean, I was excited. I was excited for Danny, man. And I was excited the Seahawks didn't win. I'm going to say that the past, were ooh this was a this game was tightly contested one and a half point favorites I would say three and a half point favorites it was a pick them straight up it was a fucking it was a tight Super Bowl because everyone will remember that because he knew the play crashed it got the

interception this was the second this was their second run in a title you know they they had beaten Denver, which Cowboy Reed remembers that. Cowboy Reed is a longtime Bronco fan. And that, that, I was drunk there too, but it was in a hotel room and I didn't want to go out afterwards because I was so disgusted this team would beat twice won the Super Bowl. I was in Miami with Tom Saney.

And that, I mean, shout out to Tom Sampson. Gosh, do you remember how much air time? Like, why didn't you give the ball to Marshawn? dude it's like darrell bevel the first thing you think about give the ball to michaul like give him the ball and hadn't he been like just like ravaging them like all game with power runs it shouldn't have been an issue it shouldn't have been a discussion um okay super bowl ally pats falcons i was there the story of where i was not as interesting as the ones i've told so far patriots

Falcons overtime, Patriots 34, 28. I'm just joking about that. Some Pat fans, like, they get really upset sometimes. Six and a half. Four and a half. Patriots minus three. Okay. Super Bowl L-I-I.

By the way, I don't think you get enough love for the holding call that force the back them up. You know what, you're right. Seriously? No, you're right. You're right about that. Dave Damashek gives me a lot of love for that. Right, you beat them?

You know, I kind of tell the story when I tell it as like a, hey, let me tell you about this crazy story. But it's not like a, hey, this cool thing I did, it was like, more like I'm going to be at a bar at 78. Why am I going to be a bar at 78? Roll with it. Keep going. I'm going to be at a bar at 78.

And I'm going to be just like, I'm going to be telling that story. but not like look what I did it was like look I was there that was crazy that was crazy um and what the craziest part was you before in the first half it was like oh man Chris didn't gonna get a ring the Patriots are supposed to win this sucks I'm crushed and then all the way to a minute and whatever left on the 11 and I'm like yeah Tom Brady's totally going to do this yeah and best halftime performance ever I'll go on the record lady Gaga huh lady Gaga best half What did you think of her the other day? Best National Anthem.

I think it's better than Whitney Houston. And so she delivers on the big stage. Yeah. No, she's amazing. You didn't get to see it. You were probably like hydrating and adjusting. I wanted to tell you.

Well, adjusting, I was practicing podcasting in the backyard. I, um, have the same birthday as Lady Gaga. Good. She's solid.

I think it's north of good. I think she's like the Madonna of our age, right? She's definitely the Madonna of our age. And here's the other thing. Somebody's going to get mad about that take. Lady Gaga can sing her fucking ass off, so I don't really care. And we have the same birthday. She delivered the National Anthem in inauguration in a minute 57.

That's about where it's usually going to be. That's a little fast and that's good. Right. Under two? Yeah. I forget where I had the over or the under, but I did bet the National Anthem standing on the field before I got my Walter Payton Man of the Year award. The over under is always two minutes, isn't it?

Well, it depends. If it's a musical one, I forget what it was. I feel like, if you got like, if you've got like, I feel like 157 is, is something that's stuck in my head there. Industry practice is like industry standard. I was standing next to. And you can tell. I was standing next to Toronto Armstead.

And he's like looking over me like, we're like both water. He's looking at me like, this whole motherfucker is betting on the national anthem. And he's about to go. good, which just goes to show you. Good people gamble too. Oh, yeah. And my faith, like we, I mean, everybody gambles on the national anthem. Like, we did in baseball.

Everybody. And you could tell when someone started if you were done. Like we were playing Georgia Tech and they brought someone out who really wanted to belt it out. And I was like under. And then she started. I was like, like, put the clock down. This is a 230. When you start taking liberties, it's going to be three minutes.

You start really carrying out all that. We start furgeying. By the way, I got a hatch. Have you ever heard of these? They're like nightlights. They're like nightlights. Dude, I have one of those. You got a hatch?

They're sick. They are so dope. Hey, Reed, that changed my entire life. They are amazing. We might get a hatch endorsement. That would be awesome. What sound do you fall asleep to? The, like, trees, like nature.

What the hell is a hatch? A hatch? Look it up, dude. Okay. It's like this little nightlight, but for adults. It's an adult nightlight. I see what you do we're doing. It's amazing.

It's a night light, but it's cool for big kids. But it plays porn. I said, no, it's, um, it looks like an egg that's hatching, okay? You can set the fucking thing to any color in the world. It's amazing. It makes it, the color is bright as hell, but it's not too bright where it bothers. your eyes when you're sleeping.

Do you do the sunrise in the morning? I do the sunrise. When you wake up early, it's so red. It's so bright because it usually, like, you can set it to 30 minutes rising. Yes. The sunrise. Yes. And you wake up too early and it is just bright red.

It's crazy. Yes, it does. It like kind of, it's supposed to nudge you awake. And also, I'm not going to lie, the birds chirping's pretty dope. Let me tell you a little story about my lovely wife, Meg. Got a lot of great ideas. but she was wrong on my hatch. I was real excited about my hatch, okay?

I had my green light on just for... Where do I get one? Amazon. I can't resist now. Like, I had my green light on. You can go fuchsia, you can go aqua, you can go rose, like different reds, not just one red.

And they say, red is good for your kind of emotional wellness before you go to sleep. I extrapolated that from like the review. views. So I have a red light on. So Meg's making, you know, Meg's like, seen it all, huh? Seeing all the nightlights. She was like, you know, if I had a podcast, I'd just talk about your dumb fucking nightlight. That's what she said to me. Wow. Strong. Here's what happened this morning. I let her sleep in so I could take the kids. Uh, you know, just you could use some Zs.

Yeah. She comes down. I asked her if my alarm clock, My alarm woke her up, the hatch woke her up, said nah. And then about an hour later, there were some birds in a tree. And I was like, what the fuck are they doing out here? It's like 27 degrees. She's like, there's a lot of them out here. She was like, this morning I woke up and it was like birds left and right outside. I was like, where the hell are you guys still here?

I said, oh yeah, my stupid fucking hatch. Did she adjust her position? She just took the L. It's a great night light. It's a great night light. Super Bowl 52 Eagles,

Pats, good guys prevailed in that situation. The most fun Super Bowl to watch. Had to be. I think we were like eight point dogs. Eagles? No,

I think we were like six and a half or like between six and a half and eight. With foals, I would agree. I'd say seven. With foals? No, with foals probably like

more like maybe nine or ten. Well, the question going in was was kind of backup. But you said it foals Foles was probably six or seven. I'm thinking it was probably like 10. What do you mean?

I just think like the numbers swells bigger than that when you're playing Foles. Where are you going with this? I'm already there. Okay. Been talking about a dick for 30 seconds. And I was thinking of myself like,

what? You were like, no, I mean like when you crunch the numbers. Yeah. No, I was a dick joke. Okay. What was the line? Because I said between six and a half and eight. And I said, you were like, yeah, you thought seven.

Patriots minus five. Hmm. Super Bowl 53. Pats beat the Rams, 13-3. I think this was like two and a half or something. I think actually what happened was because the Patriots were trying to do this big underdog thing, they were, I believe underdogs,

the line opened and the Pats were underdogs. So you can tell, I remember this because I'm actually, I'm not playing anymore, so you can tell them. But, but no, they started off underdogs, and the Pats were like, see? They didn't finish underdogs. No, I know. That's the point. Okay.

The point is the public took care of that. So the Patriots are running around being like, we were underdogs. Nobody ever believed in us. We just, they were fucking 14, like historically, just, you know, three points for the home team, a touchdown for the Patriots in the Super Bowl, the highest stage in the land, you weren't underdogs. The public fixed it. It swung to like, I think, two and a half the Pats were favored by. No, everybody thought the Rams were going to win. I was going to say pick them. No. Patriots, two and a half. What was the line, what was the over under for that game?

Oh, man, it was in the 40s, I think. And I mean, that thing was dead. Yeah, over under was 58. Yeah. And the total was 16? That's crazy. That is absolutely. 58. 58. What kind of idiot would get that wrong? Me. I don't think I actually bet that game. 133 was not what I was expecting with that game.

It was boring. It was super boring. Well, here's to this one being better, and we've got a full two weeks of God knows what on this show. What's the opening line for this one, for the Chiefs and Box? Steve said like three. It opened at Kansas City minus three.

No, it's a Kansas City minus three and a half. Oh, I love that. That thing just gets to four, and then that's when I do my business. That's when I do my business when that thing gets to four. Jump up for me. All right, bucks and chiefs, the battle of the red and the off red. Yep. And as we go through all these Super Bowls, I do want to leave you with this.

Like, I'm sure a lot of people are reflecting and feeling this way today. In my life, I have gone from 17-year-old kid with stupid chrome accents on my F-150, high school student, awkward, wearing bad clothes, acne, pre-college, to watching Tom Brady in the Super Bowl in college at the bar to watching Tom Brady perennially in the playoffs as a pro to playing Tom Brady in the Super Bowl now watching him in another Super Bowl

as a podcast host. It's like this fucking guy, you can't kill him. You literally can't kill him. And I'm sure everybody's sitting there at home if you think about where you were for Tom. The hell with we knew whatever quarterback they were going to plug in they were going to do a i mean they're probably

going to do it with patrick mohams tomorrow it's going to start early and often patrick mohomes was five six years old when tom played in his first super bowl would have been they would have had a different one for each each option but it is insane to think about as a fan where you were when tom brady first played in a super bowl and now and what's going to fuck you up presumed if you're an adult is looking at Tom Brady when he was in his first Super Bowl in 2002 and Tom Brady now. Tom Brady's glowed up, man.

He was awkward as fuck in 2002. This guy's on top of the world now. All this time's past, man. It's crazy to think about. You could be in high school. Like for me, high school played a whole damn career and went to college and now I'm a podcaster.

And I'm watching Tom Brady in the Super Bowl. Nothing's changed. It's insane Anyways Y'all take care See you Wednesday